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Soni |
muurkha: "misapplied"? sounds deliberate... |
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muurkha |
always possible, I suppose |
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Swift110-mobile |
Sup folks |
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hare_hare_yukai |
damage_texture_modifier -- Texture modifier to be applied for a short duration when object is hit |
| 01:51 |
hare_hare_yukai |
does anyone think it should be -- when object is damaged |
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hare_hare_yukai |
instead? |
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[MTMatrix] |
<Blockhead256> hare_hare_yukai: I'm fairly sure you can be hit for 0 damage, or your health modified without direct hitting. So no, the wording is accurate |
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hare_hare_yukai |
i couldnt disable the damage_texture_modifier from showing even if there is 0 damage |
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hare_hare_yukai |
thats the problem |
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hare_hare_yukai |
i think you misunderstood, i meant that the code should be changed so that damage_texture_modifier should be applied when object is damaged, not the wording |
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erle |
ancientmariner i just read https://git.minetest.land/MineClone2/MineClone2/issues/3940 and i am pretty sure that using donations meant for hosting to “pay a professional pixel artist like Zughy” is legally questionable. even if you are okay with squandering the goodwill of donors, you should really contact a lawyer if you agree with AFCMS here. |
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erle |
zughy i suggest that if you are contacted by someone who has control about mcl2 financed and promises you payment, read https://git.minetest.land/mesehub/meta/issues/4#issuecomment-71673 first. |
| 06:21 |
erle |
financed → finances |
| 06:22 |
erle |
according to this, cora has donated 450$ *explicitly* to run mesehub and i am pretty sure some of the others have spent money explicitly for that purpose as well (since that was given as the reasoning for setting up the OpenCollective page) https://opencollective.com/mineclone2#section-top-financial-contributors |
| 06:30 |
erle |
ancientmariner i am of course not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but if you have control over the OpenCollective money you should make *really* sure that no one can successfully accuse you or anyone else of misappropriating funds. |
| 06:30 |
erle |
i also suggest to tell AFCMS to pound sand lol |
| 06:33 |
erle |
to be clear, if i was promised payment from those funds meaant for hosting, i would not take it, even if it was legal. it is squandering the goodwill of donors and as such not sustainable. |
| 06:33 |
erle |
also, depending on your personal attitude, it might be a question of honor |
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hare_hare_yukai |
if i was the sole decision maker mcl would be MineCope |
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hare_hare_yukai |
welp, time to fork |
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luk3yx |
Does that mean Mesehub could be shutting down? |
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ROllerozxa |
it has been intending to for a while now |
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erle |
ROllerozxa well that is what the donations were for |
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hare_hare_yukai |
local num_bookshelfes = meta:get_int("mcl_enchanting:num_bookshelves") |
| 09:14 |
hare_hare_yukai |
hahahaha |
| 09:14 |
hare_hare_yukai |
idk man |
| 09:17 |
erle |
lol, seems michiael is a great test case to see if mcl2 code of conduct has any teeth (called me a whore for pointing out that one should be careful with past donations) https://git.minetest.land/MineClone2/MineClone2/issues/3940#issuecomment-71686 |
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erle |
i have seen that person insult others before ._. |
| 09:18 |
erle |
i think anyone who believes the problem with being nice to each other on the internet is anonymity should be forced to moderate a web forum :D |
| 09:18 |
erle |
with like, real accounts |
| 09:19 |
erle |
hare_hare_yukai if i was the sole decision maker i would keep the existing branding of a project, unless it has a clearly negative cost to do so |
| 09:21 |
erle |
i mean if “Windows” and “The GIMP” and “Minetest” can survive with stupid names for so long, i am sure “MineClone 2” will do fine |
| 09:22 |
hare_hare_yukai |
whats wrong with "Windows"? |
| 09:22 |
erle |
that's like, the things that you have on your houses? |
| 09:23 |
erle |
a made-up name like Google surely leads to less confusion |
| 09:24 |
erle |
also it gets shortened to ”win” which is cringe |
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hare_hare_yukai |
im pretty sure they chose that name because back then the first windowing systems were being made |
| 09:26 |
erle |
well, if you want names that make sense, then you should support renaming the GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) to Libre Image & Graphics Manipulation Application (LIGMA) |
| 09:26 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erle: reading AFCMS' post, it seems he wants to repurpose future, not past donations, which would presumably be fine if donors are notified? |
| 09:27 |
erle |
luatic i am sure that he has the best intentions, i just want to point out what can possibly go wrong |
| 09:28 |
erle |
luatic i am not sure if notifying donors is sufficient though. it is probably a better idea to set up a new OC so no one can claim misappropriation of funds. |
| 09:29 |
hare_hare_yukai |
why do things associated with stallman have stupid names sometimes |
| 09:29 |
erle |
i have collected funds for hosting once and i made very sure that i did not spend that money on anything else, even though i had money problems (otherwise i would have been able to pay the hosting costs) |
| 09:29 |
hare_hare_yukai |
like LiGNUx |
| 09:29 |
erle |
hare_hare_yukai fun fact: almost every software project has stupid names. or almost every project. |
| 09:29 |
erle |
i mean sometimes the names are 110% based, like the javelin |
| 09:30 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erle: setting up a new OC sounds like the best solution, yes |
| 09:31 |
erle |
luatic also i am pretty sure given the combative nature of *some* characters involved in mcl2 there needs to be a lot of care taken so that they don't clash too much on useless buerocratic bullshit |
| 09:31 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> (opencollective has a bit of an unfortunate acronym...) |
| 09:31 |
erle |
you already have the situation that e.g. cora is fixing crashes in the new mineclonia and in mineclone2 instead of fixing them you have days or weeks of discussions if it even makes sense to fix it lol |
| 09:32 |
erle |
now imagine this level of time-wasting over something involving real money and whom it should go to |
| 09:33 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erle: Mineclone2 Incorporated |
| 09:33 |
erle |
i mean, if i tell cora ”this scenario is possible in the game and a problem” and it is easy to fix she'll fix it. some other unnamed people will react to the same statement with “prove that this is actually exploited” or “that's not that bad” or so |
| 09:33 |
erle |
and waste more time on discussion than a fix |
| 09:34 |
erle |
not to say coras fixes are always the best way. she mostly does the first thing that kinda works. but she has not painted herself into a corner that way so far. |
| 09:34 |
erle |
and she is willing to throw away her own code if someone comes along with something much better |
| 09:35 |
erle |
that solves *exactly* the same problem |
| 09:37 |
erle |
luatic do you have some library i can depend on for the xmaps race problem? |
| 09:38 |
erle |
otherwise i'll probably have to figure out how to tune trickled to test this |
| 09:39 |
erle |
hare_hare_yukai regarding stupid names, i think the best solution so far is the UK rainbow codes. a color + another word. |
| 09:39 |
erle |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Code |
| 09:40 |
erle |
> Green Grass – nuclear warhead for Violet Club and Yellow Sun Mark 1 bombs |
| 09:40 |
hare_hare_yukai |
literally just VoxelCraft xd |
| 09:40 |
erle |
rainbows for everyone! |
| 09:41 |
erle |
> Red Snow – nuclear weapon physics package – fitted to Yellow Sun Mk2 and Blue Steel |
| 09:41 |
erle |
blue steel |
| 09:41 |
erle |
lol |
| 09:41 |
erle |
unfortunately, wikipedia does not list a project with the code name ”yellow snow” hehehe |
| 09:41 |
hare_hare_yukai |
do Voxel(Craft) and it will make sense cause its using (Mine)test |
| 09:42 |
hare_hare_yukai |
haha |
| 09:42 |
erle |
hare_hare_yukai why rename a project anyway |
| 09:42 |
erle |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Steel_Pose |
| 09:43 |
hare_hare_yukai |
i dont know man ask them about their intentions |
| 09:43 |
erle |
i think new people coming and wanting to rename a project is most of the time some ego thing |
| 09:43 |
erle |
like, they want to leave their mark |
| 09:44 |
erle |
like dogs pissing at a tree :P |
| 09:44 |
erle |
if the *existing team* renames a project it is something different |
| 09:45 |
erle |
but most proposals/issues i have seen opened about renaming come from people who were relatively new to a project. sometimes it works, if you just are persistent enough, like with x.com! |
| 09:50 |
hare_hare_yukai |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lesbian_Bear_Storm |
| 09:52 |
erle |
hare_hare_yukai what in the seven hells |
| 09:52 |
erle |
why do you even link to the talk page |
| 09:53 |
hare_hare_yukai |
cause i couldnt create an article page cause im retarded |
| 09:53 |
hare_hare_yukai |
im gonna go do that now |
| 09:54 |
erle |
the article page exists thoug<? |
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hare_hare_yukai |
not for Lesbian_Bear_Storm |
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hare_hare_yukai |
gaah someone has to approve it |
| 09:57 |
hare_hare_yukai |
f |
| 09:58 |
erle |
hare_hare_yukai i don't get it, is the current redirect wrong? |
| 09:58 |
hare_hare_yukai |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_Bear_Storm |
| 09:58 |
hare_hare_yukai |
nothing |
| 09:59 |
hare_hare_yukai |
i tried to make it but someone has to approve the draft i made |
| 10:01 |
erle |
so you just want to redirect to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yurikuma_Arashi or so? i do not understand |
| 10:01 |
erle |
Japanese: ユリ熊嵐, lit. "Lesbian Bear Storm" |
| 10:02 |
hare_hare_yukai |
yessir |
| 10:02 |
erle |
oh, i get it: yuri = lesbian, kuma = bear, arashi = storm |
| 10:02 |
erle |
right? |
| 10:03 |
hare_hare_yukai |
dude the literal translation is LESBIAN BEAR STORM |
| 10:03 |
erle |
look my japanese is limited to exactly these three words obviously |
| 10:03 |
erle |
i am not a clever person |
| 10:03 |
erle |
let's talk about some minetest stuff |
| 10:04 |
erle |
hare_hare_yukai how is your mod going on |
| 10:04 |
erle |
what do you even make |
| 10:04 |
hare_hare_yukai |
https://jartexnetwork.com/forums/the-bridge.162/ |
| 10:05 |
hare_hare_yukai |
i am basically remaking this but as a minetest game |
| 10:05 |
erle |
what is this |
| 10:05 |
hare_hare_yukai |
i played it when i was a child and i loved it so im remaking it |
| 10:06 |
erle |
yeah so what's the game concept |
| 10:06 |
hare_hare_yukai |
theres two teams, red and blue |
| 10:06 |
hare_hare_yukai |
each team has a block with 100 lives called a nexus |
| 10:06 |
hare_hare_yukai |
each dig of that block takes off 1 hp/life |
| 10:07 |
hare_hare_yukai |
each team's goal is to get the other team's nexus to 0hp |
| 10:07 |
erle |
so it's like capture the flag but with digging |
| 10:07 |
hare_hare_yukai |
you start off on your own island/area and both teams are usually opposite each other connected by a bridge hence "TheBridge" |
| 10:08 |
hare_hare_yukai |
there are similarities to ctf but its not the same |
| 10:08 |
hare_hare_yukai |
im taking some code from CTF anyways cause it can be used |
| 10:12 |
erle |
do you need ingame emojis on signs? i have text rendering :--DDD |
| 10:14 |
hare_hare_yukai |
ill let you know if i do, maybe ill just add them in for the heck of it |
| 10:15 |
erle |
hare_hare_yukai, see here: https://mister-muffin.de/p/XgRZ.png |
| 10:16 |
erle |
btw, i'm sure you can just use unifont emoji as placeholders if you don't want to spend the time to figure out how your textures should look like |
| 10:16 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erle: "do you have some library i can depend on for the xmaps race problem?" - i don't |
| 10:16 |
erle |
to get your game out of the door faster |
| 10:16 |
erle |
luatic is it a pervasive problem? |
| 10:16 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erle: what exactly? |
| 10:16 |
erle |
luatic the race |
| 10:17 |
erle |
i'm pretty sure if i made the mistake 3 times, others exist that are equally stupid |
| 10:17 |
erle |
but i am not sure if dynamic media is even used that much |
| 10:17 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> as in do other mods have the same issues? i don't know, i don't touch other mods that much :P |
| 10:18 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> i think i had done this properly the first time in epidermis (though i had a worse bug in the first iteration: https://github.com/appgurueu/epidermis/commit/4a3a347c42ac5304c1c6f4b03f304db8457b7105) |
| 10:18 |
erle |
) is part of urls |
| 10:18 |
erle |
just so you know |
| 10:18 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> and i think epidermis is the only mod of mine that used dyn. media, so i didn't really have a motivation to move this to a library |
| 10:18 |
erle |
i see |
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hare_hare_yukai |
im all set for textures really, the game was originally made in minecraft so ill be using mcl2 textures, and for everything else ill be using ctf |
| 10:19 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erle: ah well, does your reader not do parenthesis matching to see whether they are part of URLs? |
| 10:19 |
erle |
ah, cora included Unifont CSUR, so you can *actually* write klingon on her signs lol |
| 10:19 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> (any sane Markdown implementation does that and I've come to expect it) |
| 10:19 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> I haven't yet seen a URL which has an unmatched ) |
| 10:19 |
erle |
luatic in your case that requires lookbehind beyond the beginning of the word, which is not regular |
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hare_hare_yukai |
the only thing i might need is the nexus texture but i can just do full red and blue fill, thats easy enough |
| 10:20 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erle: indeed it is not regular, but due to how often (blah blah <url>) occurs it's worthwhile; Markdown parsing isn't regular anyways |
| 10:20 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> I don't even know if Markdown parsing is context-free; I suspect it isn't necessarily |
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hare_hare_yukai |
erle can u send a link to that unicode text mod? |
| 10:20 |
erle |
hare_hare_yukai i *strongly* suggest to a) research the origin of the textures (pixel perfection poisoned mcl2 in the past) b) to copy them over if you want mcl2 to not sabotage your gameplay later on when they rename textures the next time |
| 10:21 |
erle |
hare_hare_yukai this is unicode_text on mesehub: https://git.minetest.land/erlehmann/unicode_text this is it on contentdb: https://content.minetest.net/packages/erlehmann/unicode_text/ |
| 10:21 |
erle |
hare_hare_yukai this is cora's uc_signs mod which handles signs for you https://codeberg.org/cora/uc_signs |
| 10:22 |
hare_hare_yukai |
i will be strongly urged to not give a fuck if anyone tries to mess with my future server |
| 10:22 |
hare_hare_yukai |
thanks |
| 10:22 |
erle |
unicode_text will *only* give you a texture though. text goes in, picture comes out. nothing else. |
| 10:23 |
erle |
so i suggest to look into the signs mod for a “how to use” or just ask me |
| 10:23 |
erle |
also if you have ideas on how to improve the kerning, please tell |
| 10:24 |
erle |
you can see here that the cyrillic is a bit badly kerned: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/60905/267068280-ecadd7c0-ba96-49c4-8a6e-044480117f20.png |
| 10:25 |
erle |
also note that you can't do zalgo text with this. i render each combining character directly over the preceding character, so you can not reasonably stack combining characters here. |
| 10:25 |
erle |
you can apply combining characters that modify different parts of a glyph though |
| 10:25 |
erle |
so underline and accent is okay |
| 10:26 |
erle |
and no, i will not fix this *solely* to support zalgo text lol |
| 10:26 |
erle |
show me a real world use case for combining character stacking and i might do so though |
| 10:27 |
erle |
also note that arabic letter shaping is not implemented and the bidi support is incomplete. |
| 10:27 |
hare_hare_yukai |
i didnt and wasnt going to ask for that, you somehow thought i would xd |
| 10:27 |
erle |
well, those are the most obvious failures |
| 10:27 |
erle |
and they are things i *could* have done if i had the motivation for it |
| 10:28 |
erle |
but i have no use for arabic or hebrew in minetest tbh |
| 10:34 |
hare_hare_yukai |
what was i saying, "not give a fuck if anyone tries to mess with my future server" |
| 10:34 |
hare_hare_yukai |
silly me, of course that wont be the case |
| 10:35 |
erle |
hare_hare_yukai the issue is that for years mcl2 textures were stable and then they were renamed, which broke all texture packs. this means that from now on, you *have* to assume that they will change those in the future without warning. |
| 10:35 |
hare_hare_yukai |
i meant that for some specific cases anyways |
| 10:35 |
erle |
copy them to your own mod |
| 10:35 |
erle |
then you do not have that problem |
| 10:36 |
hare_hare_yukai |
yeah, i cloned minetest and patched it |
| 10:36 |
erle |
minetest is not the issue here |
| 10:36 |
hare_hare_yukai |
mineclone* |
| 10:36 |
erle |
ah |
| 10:36 |
hare_hare_yukai |
not minetest |
| 10:36 |
hare_hare_yukai |
nice, maybe this is why we need a rename |
| 10:37 |
erle |
hare_hare_yukai btw are you going to use the text rendering just for normal signs or displaying some ingame scoreboard or so? |
| 10:37 |
erle |
i don't think anyone *needs* a rename. it's useless busywork. |
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hare_hare_yukai |
for current game stats it will just be on player huds |
| 10:38 |
erle |
ah |
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hare_hare_yukai |
i dont *need* signs, they arent integral to the game |
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erle |
cora made signs for sitelen pona input (you can input the latin stuff, it renders sitelen pona) https://codeberg.org/cora/sitelen_pona_signs |
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lissobone |
Hi. Rangedweapons is an amazing mod that all my friends use on a daily basis, but it's a little buggy. So I am debugging its spaghetti code. And I have a question regarding hud_change: is it supposed to accept "text" as the hud type when it has to render images? |
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lissobone |
It looks like david (the creator) encountered this too and changed it from "image" to "text" since the latter was the only one that worked. |
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lissobone |
I changed it to "image" where it is supposed to render PNG icons of ammo and guns and they just... don't appear. What's wrong? Am I dumb again? |
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lissobone |
Looks like "image" needs some extra "text" parameter with the name of the image to be displayed. I'll try this. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> It's all in the docs. |
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lissobone |
I am in the docs, though. |
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lissobone |
And I don't see much that could aid me in my holy mission. |
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lissobone |
discord moment |
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lissobone |
Have you had any experience with images and hud_change? Share your experiences. I might be doing wrong. |
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erle |
lissobone i have experiences with it |
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lissobone |
Could you go into more detail please. |
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lissobone |
hold on i have got my manhunt mod i had some HUDs in there |
| 17:26 |
lissobone |
i'll share my experiences too to collectively devise the better solution |
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erle |
i made xmaps |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I'm not sure what you're missing in the docs. hud_elem_type has to be "image" for images. "text" has to be the texture string. Calling hud_change has to use "text" to change the texture. |
| 17:27 |
erle |
lissobone see https://git.minetest.land/erlehmann/xmaps/src/branch/master/init.lua |
| 17:27 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> All of this is documented. |
| 17:27 |
lissobone |
i doubt |
| 17:28 |
lissobone |
h-hmm (studying the source) |
| 17:28 |
lissobone |
hmmm |
| 17:29 |
erle |
i think the hud code from xmaps is pretty cute with the arrow |
| 17:30 |
lissobone |
Which arrow??? |
| 17:30 |
erle |
xmaps shows an arrow for the player |
| 17:30 |
lissobone |
Maybe I subconsciously see it, that's why I think it's cute, too. |
| 17:30 |
erle |
i rotate it depending on where the player is looking |
| 17:30 |
lissobone |
hold on i thought of an actual like arrow in the code |
| 17:30 |
lissobone |
pointing at something |
| 17:31 |
lissobone |
perhaps at the arrow code |
| 17:31 |
erle |
there is an arrow in the code too |
| 17:31 |
erle |
because xmaps generates the arrow textures from code lol |
| 17:31 |
lissobone |
i've never experimented with texture generation yet |
| 17:31 |
lissobone |
but it looks hackiful |
| 17:32 |
lissobone |
i saw a mandelbrot texture in devtest |
| 17:32 |
erle |
well i thought it is a better idea to do it this way than to have constantly changing binary files |
| 17:33 |
lissobone |
it was fully generated in lua |
| 17:33 |
lissobone |
it amazed me |
| 17:34 |
lissobone |
(well, now in know that it needs "text" as its type cuz it's just the field, but the docs aren't really clear on that) |
| 17:34 |
erle |
lissobone i suggest to look into demoscene stuff if you like that |
| 17:34 |
lissobone |
WHAT is demoscene? |
| 17:35 |
erle |
people who make computational art with very little code |
| 17:35 |
erle |
for varying definitions of ”very little” |
| 17:35 |
lissobone |
i saw a donut in the shape of a donut |
| 17:35 |
lissobone |
i think u remember that |
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| 17:39 |
lissobone |
why are Z-coords in the blitted icon stored at the top level? |
| 17:39 |
lissobone |
and each one stores X-coords |
| 17:39 |
lissobone |
There has to be a reason, but I would've just automatically done it in reverse. |
| 17:39 |
erle |
wdym |
| 17:40 |
erle |
in my code? |
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| 17:40 |
erle |
the natural way i learned in school to make a coordinate system is that one axis goes right and one axis goes up. so the first pixel stored is the bottom left one. |
| 17:40 |
erle |
in minetest, z axis goes up |
| 17:41 |
erle |
yes, you can do it the other way around if you really want to |
| 17:41 |
erle |
but if you look at e.g. ancient tree schematics in minetest stuff i think you will see the same |
| 17:41 |
erle |
the tree is “upside down” in the source code |
| 17:42 |
erle |
it's all arbitrary |
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MinetestBot |
[git] rollerozxa -> minetest/minetest: Improve UX when no game exists and drop `default_game` (#13550) a88e61c https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a88e61c2cf318d4901b507c2ffde5b436594d03c (2023-09-17T17:45:28Z) |
| 17:48 |
lissobone |
Wait, really? |
| 17:48 |
lissobone |
I know that in real mathematics Z is conventionally "up", but I've always thought that in Minetest it's otherwise, Y corresponding to up. |
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| 17:49 |
lissobone |
mark, marx, mary |
| 17:49 |
lissobone |
i love those variables |
| 17:51 |
erle |
lissobone in minetest x and y are a plane and z is up i think |
| 17:51 |
erle |
or not? |
| 17:52 |
lissobone |
i remembr that in vectors 'y' corresponds to the vertical position of $something |
| 17:52 |
lissobone |
WHAT is SELF in lua?? |
| 17:52 |
erle |
lol |
| 17:52 |
lissobone |
tga_encoder.image:blit_icon -- is this a method that operates on images? |
| 17:52 |
lissobone |
ok i gottitttt |
| 17:53 |
erle |
zmv7, i was told uc_signs will be submitted to contentdb soon! |
| 17:53 |
erle |
zmv7 thank you for your feedback |
| 17:53 |
lissobone |
'self' allows a method to access the object it's acting on, is it true? (i'm not an object oriented guy, i'm more of a lambda calculus knight) |
| 17:54 |
lissobone |
i've never used it in any of my lua programs, but now i think i will |
| 17:54 |
erle |
more or less, i bet luatic can explain it well |
| 17:54 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erle: y is up in minetest |
| 17:55 |
erle |
https://www.lua.org/pil/16.html |
| 17:55 |
erle |
luatic, thanks, i apparently suck |
| 17:55 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> self is pretty much just syntactic sugar for hiding a method parameter in lua, most often used to emulate something like oop |
| 17:55 |
erle |
apparently haven't cheated using teleportation in too long |
| 17:55 |
erle |
i would have ended up in solid rock probably |
| 17:55 |
erle |
or void |
| 17:56 |
erle |
or the end sky lololol |
| 17:56 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> function tab:func(blah) is equivalent to function tab.func(self, blah); the call t:func(blurg) is equivalent to t.func(t, blurg) |
| 17:56 |
erle |
semantic sugaring |
| 17:56 |
erle |
> The effect of the colon is to add an extra hidden parameter in a method definition and to add an extra argument in a method call. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> do not misunderstand this: it is not semantic |
| 17:57 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> it is purely syntactic |
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lissobone |
I see. The very first function in xmaps (i'm studying it very slowly and carefully (천천히)) first checks for stop_colors and only THEN reiterates over the table, assigning required colors. |
| 17:57 |
lissobone |
Can't this be done in a single iteration? |
| 17:57 |
erle |
luatic you are correct, it is just a sweeter syntax, no implications are implied |
| 17:58 |
lissobone |
what are the syntax bitteners |
| 17:58 |
erle |
now i wonder again why i appreciate if someone calls me out on bullshit but others flip their shit. i feel i may lack some facility. |
| 18:00 |
erle |
lissobone i am pretty sure that xmaps can be made better. but i would not be sure that your proposal has the same behaviour in all cases unless i had an extensive set of tests, which i do not have. |
| 18:00 |
lissobone |
Why can't it return immediately upon detecting a stop color? |
| 18:01 |
lissobone |
I will hack it to its damn fullest. |
| 18:01 |
erle |
maybe it should |
| 18:01 |
erle |
i wonder if i had some ulterior motive for this |
| 18:02 |
erle |
i mean that probably shold be refactored into two functions |
| 18:02 |
erle |
one that checks if the color is there |
| 18:02 |
erle |
and one that stupidly blits |
| 18:02 |
lissobone |
yooo that's a fire idea |
| 18:02 |
lissobone |
gerald sussman will be proud |
| 18:04 |
lissobone |
What does the detector function need? |
| 18:04 |
lissobone |
It definitely does not need the actual icon, for that only its length is demanded. |
| 18:06 |
lissobone |
not definitely |
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| 18:08 |
erle |
lissobone, submit a PR please then |
| 18:08 |
lissobone |
i'll try |
| 18:08 |
erle |
i can not promise i'll do it super-fast, but it sounds good what you want |
| 18:08 |
erle |
the ultimate plan for xmaps was always to have pluggable renderer |
| 18:08 |
erle |
but i got depression |
| 18:09 |
erle |
now i am fine again and i think “i am stupid, why did i not make the minimal renderer using the minimap color?” |
| 18:10 |
erle |
which you can, by the way, easily do |
| 18:10 |
erle |
my rendering of “hand-drawn maps” is bizarre |
| 18:10 |
erle |
but funny |
| 18:10 |
erle |
like if you are in the woods, it will draw the correct trees |
| 18:10 |
erle |
it draws houses where there are doos |
| 18:10 |
erle |
but that's i think an acceptable way of house detection hehe |
| 18:10 |
lissobone |
What about beds? |
| 18:11 |
erle |
tell me what you want. i experimented with adding rail lines too, but it looked shitty |
| 18:11 |
erle |
so i settled for landscape plus trees, grass, houses stuff |
| 18:11 |
erle |
or better: add it yourself and make a PR lol |
| 18:11 |
erle |
i shall act on that PR from luatic sometime soon |
| 18:11 |
lissobone |
I don't want anything in particular. I'm just studying the source code and making it better. |
| 18:11 |
erle |
when i have someone over to test it well :) |
| 18:12 |
lissobone |
Why do pixels of a tga_encoder.image consist of a list with a single element? |
| 18:12 |
lissobone |
oops i mean a table |
| 18:13 |
lissobone |
i should cut down on lisp consumption |
| 18:13 |
lissobone |
self.pixels[z + i_z][x + i_x] = { color } |
| 18:13 |
lissobone |
While on a different line there's stop_colors[self.poxels[z + i_z][x + i_x][1] (I don't see a reason (YET!!!) to store it like that). |
| 18:14 |
lissobone |
I've separated it. |
| 18:15 |
erle |
lissobone i have documented the pixel format here: https://git.minetest.land/erlehmann/unicode_text#user-content-pixels-tables |
| 18:18 |
lissobone |
hmm cool now i see the reason |
| 18:18 |
erle |
what is it, in your words? |
| 18:19 |
lissobone |
cuz the pixels often need, like, some more space to be encoded (if there are 3 colors, for example) and that's why they're in a table |
| 18:19 |
lissobone |
the nests of tables just confuse me |
| 18:20 |
erle |
i see |
| 18:20 |
lissobone |
i have not seen such sorcery in centuries |
| 18:20 |
erle |
well, i don't see how else you can do it unless you are like “image formats are hard, let's just dump bytes here” which is a bit harder to access tbh |
| 18:21 |
erle |
like i think some APIs just say “okay, if you want to write an X wide and Y high image with RGBA colors, just give me X × Y × 4 bytes” |
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erle |
which is *probably* the lowest-effort thing that is still useful |
| 18:21 |
erle |
but IMO it's not nice to anyone doing anything with that API |
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lissobone |
sorry, i had forty winks |
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lissobone |
my ass hurts because of my lengthy bicycle journeys |
| 18:32 |
erle |
that's a good excuse i will remember to say |
| 18:32 |
erle |
whenever my ass hurts |
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