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Warr1024 |
Hmm, I just realized, if the MT listing on the Play Store is still down ... well, Roller's NodeCore app is still up, and that's IIRC just vanilla Minetest with some artwork and main menu tweaks, so it should be sufficient to play. |
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Warr1024 |
It looks like it filters the server list, but if e.g. if you want "emergency" access and remember your server address, you can still join manually. |
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independent56 |
Would it be possible for a mod to delete map.sqlite entirely from the system? |
| 15:54 |
independent56 |
Or do i have to take the slow approach and do //deleteblocks |
| 15:54 |
Warr1024 |
If you delete map.sqlite while the game is running, it tends to crash out. |
| 15:54 |
independent56 |
Don't worry, it does it just before it shuts down the server |
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Parnikkapore_m |
might be possible using unsafe mode, but also ^ |
| 15:54 |
Warr1024 |
Best option would be to have the game trigger some external thing and then shut itself down so it can be deleted by a script before the server restarts. |
| 15:55 |
independent56 |
I'm considering making a backrooms fork where you can build and then randomly everything gets removed in a 10-hour long apocolipse |
| 15:55 |
Parnikkapore_m |
map sync taking place while the shutdown callback is running in 3... 2... 1... |
| 15:55 |
independent56 |
So i'll just have to hack worldedit's deleteblocks command for the mod? |
| 15:56 |
Kimapr |
<Warr1024> "Hmm, I just realized, if the..." <- https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=se.voxelmanip.rollertest |
| 15:57 |
Kimapr |
this exists |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Interesting ... just a repackaging of Minetest without a specific game? |
| 15:58 |
MTDiscord |
<kimapr> no, it's a fork |
| 15:58 |
independent56 |
It could be worse; if i had it i'd put ads in |
| 15:59 |
independent56 |
But i don't so i won't |
| 15:59 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> it has about the same non-game specific changes that the nodecore app has |
| 15:59 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> btw, @ROllerozxa (he/him) I noticed that the mobile controls for NodeCore for Android are different from default MT ... and it looks like you hid the inventory button entirely, but that has the "player's guide" and discovery/hint system which might be useful. Seems like it might be better to have it hidden inside the "gear" menu...? |
| 15:59 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Oh, I found it you changed the icon... |
| 15:59 |
MTDiscord |
<kimapr> huh whar |
| 15:59 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> I hid it? it's supposed to be at the bottom left to the hotbar |
| 16:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Then I guess the only thing actually missing is I don't see an Aux1 key, which is not terrible but would be nice to have still... |
| 16:00 |
MTDiscord |
<kimapr> it probably also has that, lemme check |
| 16:02 |
Kimapr |
erm, nope, it does not haves that |
| 16:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Aux is used for a few things like the "drop everything" command, for which there's actually a discovery. |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> huh |
| 16:03 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> I thought aux1 was entirely unused in nodecore |
| 16:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> nearly, but the ability to bulk drop stuff was a big QoL thing. |
| 16:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> sneak+aux1+drop will drop all stacks of items matching the selected one. |
| 16:04 |
Kimapr |
Rollerozxa: aux1 is used for WAVING |
| 16:04 |
Kimapr |
(very important social gesture) |
| 16:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> ah, that too |
| 16:08 |
Warr1024 |
There's room for an Aux1 button on the very bottom right, it looks like. |
| 16:09 |
Warr1024 |
I am rather tempted to just start using the NodeCore app as my daily driver for MT on mobile. The UI is simplified, it works well, and it's actually based on a newer engine version... |
| 16:14 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> yeah bottom right is around where the aux1 button used to be, I probably should add it back |
| 16:14 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> there's also the setting that allows for aux1 to be triggered using the touchscreen joystick... which is a bit odd but interesting I guess |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> also yes WAVING very important |
| 16:17 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> reminds me though, I really need to update my apps... |
| 16:21 |
Warr1024 |
Hard to decide what icon it should have. You could use a hand icon for it, since it's used to wave, and also the "drop multiple stacks" is, I guess ... hand related? |
| 16:21 |
Warr1024 |
Just labeling it Aux1 is kinda blah. But then, all the documentation calls it Aux/Aux1/Special or whatever because thats what it was called in base MT. |
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| 17:03 |
kilbith |
listen up, people |
| 17:04 |
kilbith |
this obtuse being that is sfan5 has chosen the wrong target and decided to put me in quiet mode on the dev channel |
| 17:04 |
kilbith |
me who had the good intention of preserving the community from a guy who posts screwy sexual stuff on his blog and constantly drain everyone's energy |
| 17:05 |
kilbith |
if the community prefers erle's participation to mine, fine, I will abide by the general opinion and quietly retire |
| 17:05 |
kilbith |
but there's no room for the two of us here |
| 17:07 |
kilbith |
sfan5: I give you exactly 2 hours before removing this quiet mode, and I'll close my PRs if applicable |
| 17:07 |
celeron55 |
that's bullshit, you're perfectly capable of coexisting with erle |
| 17:08 |
muurkha |
kilbith: I think you also said you were writing your mods in such a way that nobody else would be able to maintain them because you want to keep other people from forking them |
| 17:08 |
celeron55 |
and you're just creating drama for the sake of it |
| 17:08 |
celeron55 |
go find something more productive to do |
| 17:08 |
muurkha |
so I'm not convinced of your sincerity about "preserving the community" |
| 17:09 |
muurkha |
also how is erle's sexual orientation any of your business? |
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kilbith |
MT is already on the downward slope in terms of popularity, we'll see how erle can replace me to help you get back on the track? |
| 17:14 |
kilbith |
if you think silencing me can help you, you're kidding yourself |
| 17:15 |
muurkha |
maybe other people who wouldn't put up with your bullshit, and haven't yet started playing Minetest, will replace you |
| 17:15 |
kilbith |
I don't even know who the fuck you are muurkha, I never talked with you |
| 17:15 |
muurkha |
a lot of people are not going to be enthusiastic about you rooting around in their personal blogs to see if you disapprove of their sexual preferences |
| 17:16 |
muurkha |
I'm just a muurkha, kilbith |
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muurkha |
but even I can state the obvious |
| 17:18 |
appguru |
kilbith: I don't think anyone here is willing to throw their moral integrity out of the window just for the appeasement of the offender - even if the offender has very promising PRs open like you. |
| 17:19 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> I think there are more valid reasons to criticise erle than his dating profile, you're just embarrassing yourself at this point kilbith |
| 17:19 |
celeron55 |
kilbith: i am not under contract to make MT have any slope whatsoever so i'm free to not listen to that reasoning even if it was true. and you are not under contract to make MT better either, so you could just leave any moment regardless of how this issue goes for you. in essence what comes out of this doesn't matter. i could ban you or leave you whine |
| 17:19 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> kink shaming ain't cool. ehrl can certainly rub people up the wrong way, but to see this from you when every comment i've seen from you has been laced in condescension is a bit rich etc. |
| 17:19 |
muurkha |
erle can be hard to get along with but he isn't actively malicious |
| 17:20 |
celeron55 |
kilbith: so what's left is your intentional rudeness towards others. that doesn't work much in your favor |
| 17:20 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> plus, you're also forcing people to make a choice. and no one likes blackmail |
| 17:21 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> "kilbith BOT — Today at 1:02 PM you are only 18 years old and you don't have the necessary maturity to judge things correctly" |
| 17:21 |
kilbith |
celeron55: sure, be aware of your net losses then; I already have a fine contract somewhere, and for sure I don't need MT to exist as a developer |
| 17:22 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> i would say though, kilbith, take some time, you're clearly annoyed, and maybe you're justified in your frustration, but there are many ways to go about it |
| 17:22 |
muurkha |
celeron55: what about kilbith's attempts to skirt around the edges of open-source licensing by writing their code so that only they can read it? (an unsuccessful attempt, to be sure, because other people are more capable than kilbith thinks) |
| 17:22 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> take some time before burning the building down, as it is hard to repairr |
| 17:22 |
kilbith |
now that's only up to sfan5 to take the wisest decision or not |
| 17:23 |
muurkha |
also I think publicly shaming others for their sexual preferences goes quite a bit beyond just "intentional rudeness" |
| 17:24 |
muurkha |
sometimes it gets the target killed |
| 17:24 |
Kimapr |
why did kilbith become cringe? |
| 17:24 |
kilbith |
muurkha: it's my project, I do whatever I want with it, you should be already thankful that I dedicated 2 years of my talent to create this mod |
| 17:25 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
<muurkha> "so I'm not convinced of your..." <- no one gonna be convinced of that .. remember that kilbith also wrote anti-<country> stuff before and tried to remove compatibility with older hardware and sh*t on poor countries before |
| 17:26 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
for reference on anti-<country> stuff: https://irc.minetest.net/minetest-dev/2023-03-02#i_6059242 |
| 17:26 |
muurkha |
lebruhgamer[m]: oh, I didn't remember that, thanks |
| 17:26 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
for reference on poor people: https://irc.minetest.net/minetest-dev/2022-08-17#i_6008349 |
| 17:26 |
muurkha |
oh, becuase I'm not on #minetest-dev |
| 17:26 |
kilbith |
Russia being a shit country is for sure an obvious statement |
| 17:27 |
kilbith |
like it or not |
| 17:27 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> seriously, are you just trying to go out with a bang? |
| 17:27 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
no one gonna trust someone with that kind of bad attitude |
| 17:27 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> firing everywhere and burning all bridges? |
| 17:27 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> I mean, minetest as a community would probably be better off without a toxic individual that publicly shames someone for their dating profile that exists outside of and with no relevance to minetest |
| 17:27 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> take some time, ehrl has recently gone heavy on me, and i'm not supporting this. this isn't the right way |
| 17:28 |
muurkha |
Kimapr: maybe they gradually became more driven by hate and fear over time? that seems to have happened to a lot of people over the last three or four years |
| 17:29 |
muurkha |
the question is, when you have someone primarily driven by hate and fear of those different from them, how do you minimize the damage they can do to the others around them? |
| 17:29 |
Ingar |
assassination |
| 17:29 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> open source brings the worst out in people, passion, and frustrations can result in nasty manifestations |
| 17:29 |
celeron55 |
i don't really know how new you guys are, but kilbith has always been like that. for probably almost a decade |
| 17:29 |
muurkha |
heh |
| 17:30 |
muurkha |
is that why VanessaE left? |
| 17:30 |
celeron55 |
and yes, it's cringe |
| 17:30 |
appguru |
AncientMariner: It also brings the best out in people though. |
| 17:30 |
Kimapr |
i haven't really been observing kilbith |
| 17:31 |
celeron55 |
and bans don't fix him, or keep him away. he just comes back at the earliest convenience to make PRs and be rude again. it's weird |
| 17:31 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> anyway, i probably shouldn't have got involved. i'll extract myself 🙂 |
| 17:32 |
celeron55 |
anyway, if he goes by himself just because sfan5 +q'd him on #-dev that sounds nice and convenient to me |
| 17:32 |
kilbith |
then fine, I won't bother you any longer if you don't want to see me here anymore, just need a clear confirmation |
| 17:32 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> i would be careful with that. i'm on the spectrum and got wound up, i got silenced and it amplified things |
| 17:33 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> it can have a nasty effect when you have something to say and can throw gasoline on the fire |
| 17:33 |
celeron55 |
if you're nice to everyone, i want to see you. if you aren't, i don't want to |
| 17:33 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> of course, it was the wrong place |
| 17:33 |
kilbith |
I probably deserve better than this project and the people involved in it |
| 17:35 |
kilbith |
it's like trying to fill a spherical hole with a cube, no matter how hard you try, it will never really fit |
| 17:35 |
celeron55 |
this seems like blackmailing to me |
| 17:35 |
appguru |
Have you ever considered that perhaps this project also deserves better than you (in terms of behavior at least)? |
| 17:36 |
appguru |
s/than/of |
| 17:36 |
muurkha |
AncientMariner: I think your contributions to the dialogue have been the most evenhanded |
| 17:37 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> thanks. probably not at the start, but i caught myself. my mistake |
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| 17:38 |
celeron55 |
yeah just avoid getting invested in kilbith, it's not personally worth it |
| 17:40 |
kilbith |
go fuck yourself man |
| 17:40 |
Kimapr |
you mean go fsck yourself? |
| 17:41 |
kilbith |
I mean when was the last time you did something useful for MT? |
| 17:41 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
and here we can see the attitude of someone trying to "preserve the community" 😏 |
| 17:41 |
MTDiscord |
<Flamore> 🍿 |
| 17:43 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
most people here don't really see much of his attitude because he's been in #minetest-dev instead of here, but that's always been how he is .. look at the irc log for proof |
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| 17:45 |
Desour |
kilbith: it looks to me like it would be good for your mental health if you didn't take things so personal every time. people criticizing what you say doesn't mean that they hate you, they just want to show you that your behaviour is not fine in some way. I think you could achieve your goals much easier with objective criticism, so that you don't become the new objective of the of discussion |
| 17:45 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> good point, and i think the original point about reverting that pr was quite a popular view |
| 17:46 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> though always focus on the issue, and not people |
| 17:46 |
muurkha |
those links you posted demonstrate extremely contemptible and repellent behavior on kilbith's part, lebruhgamer[m] |
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| 17:47 |
muurkha |
I think there are times when focusing on people is important |
| 17:49 |
kilbith |
I mean I don't have to mix with poor, talentless people who can't even apply to a job offer I posted that'd allow them to buy like... a new computer? |
| 17:50 |
kilbith |
please stop complaining about your old hardware if you can't even grab a job offer |
| 17:50 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> not a good luck, dude |
| 17:50 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
no one even thought that, in some places, there's no offer to begin with |
| 17:50 |
muurkha |
Indonesian 13-year-olds playing Minetest on their cellphones would also probably appreciate it if you'd stop "mixing with" them |
| 17:50 |
kilbith |
zero reaction to this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=29298 |
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lebruhgamer[m] |
that require skill though, and how would someone in poor country have the skill to accept your job offer |
| 17:52 |
kilbith |
since when I care of poor countries even? |
| 17:52 |
muurkha |
it would also require voluntarily interacting with kilbith, which seems like a bad idea |
| 17:52 |
muurkha |
I mean, this is a case where focusing on people matters: when you're considering a job offer |
| 17:54 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
see, you can clearly see how this person is |
| 17:54 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> 3d modelling is a very particular skillset, easier to find programmers, and you probably know that |
| 17:55 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> yeah I don't know if you're aware of that kilbith but there aren't a lot of 3D modellers around here in minetest |
| 17:55 |
kilbith |
my guess is that there are just a lot of lazy people here |
| 17:55 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
no one gonna trust someone who clearly don't care a subset of the world |
| 17:55 |
kilbith |
whose then complain about their old hardware not supporting some advanced features |
| 17:55 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> (if i insult everyone's character, surely they're respond and i can feel justified in my exit from this project) |
| 17:56 |
muurkha |
there are some, ROllerozxa, I mean, you can build 3-D models for Minetest mods in Blender or whatever, and use them in a mod |
| 17:56 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> it said "competent" and that's a subjective bar which even talented people doubt they'll hit |
| 17:57 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> most brilliant people have plenty of self-doubt |
| 17:57 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> because they have standards and are aware they need to improve and push themselves |
| 17:57 |
muurkha |
it sounded like kilbith was looking for people to volunteer to be abused by kilbith |
| 17:57 |
definitelya |
kilbith: My guess is you like the attention when people demean you. That's also a kink, just saying. |
| 17:58 |
muurkha |
haha |
| 17:58 |
kilbith |
what an horrible human being I am, eh? |
| 17:58 |
kilbith |
booo |
| 17:58 |
kilbith |
all of that would be quickly fixed with slaps in the face |
| 17:59 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> i have no idea who is supposed to be keyboard slapping who |
| 18:00 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
kilbith: we already went through this before -- they can't upgrade because they don't have money, because they can't get a job, because they live in unfortunate country where it's hard to get jobs in and they also can't move elsewhere because they don't have money to move to begin with, and you here just casually using wealth position to abuse others -- the advanced features are fine as optional thing (so both poor and rich can play |
| 18:00 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
it by adjusting their settings), but you want to drop support for older stuff and thus only catering to rich people |
| 18:00 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> but yeah, it is worth considering logging off, watch a program, take a walk, and cool down |
| 18:01 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> you'll find that if you log off, cool down, and come back tomorrow, many will accept you and your contributions and not dwell on the past (i don't talk for others of course) |
| 18:02 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> btw, your inventory notification system looked awesome... |
| 18:02 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> but anyway, continuing this is not going to go well... |
| 18:02 |
kilbith |
lebruhgamer[m]: I've always contributed for people who live in the civilized world, I don't see why the third world should necessarily be able to have fun with us, we're not a charity |
| 18:02 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> oh fuck |
| 18:02 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> seriosuly |
| 18:03 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> he's probably never considered that poorer countries are kept down by wealthy countries trying to profit off their wealth by pushing regime change etc. |
| 18:03 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> not a good look |
| 18:04 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
yes, we all always knew kilbith to be THE person who hates the poor and that "only rich people should have good stuff" |
| 18:04 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
which is entirely opposite of the values of open source project where we accepts everyone, rich and poor alike |
| 18:05 |
kilbith |
an average worker in the US can play Minetest in good settings |
| 18:05 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> if you really need to bring others down to feel good about yourself, you have some stuff you need to work through |
| 18:05 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> a good developer can cater to many systems 😉 |
| 18:06 |
lebruhgamer[m] |
also ironic that kilbith is using US as example when even c55 is not from US to begin with |
| 18:06 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> an average us worker can afford minecraft for all their family and several pc's |
| 18:06 |
kilbith |
neither do I |
| 18:06 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> who do you think plays minetest other than FLOSS advocates? |
| 18:06 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> and there ain't many floss advocates |
| 18:06 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> (mainly the developers) |
| 18:07 |
MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> or are we just making stuff for ourselves, for kudos, and pats on the back? |
| 18:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> people who want free minecraft |
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MTDiscord |
<kimapr> people who want free minecraft download minecraft for free |
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lebruhgamer[m] |
ah yes ... AAARRRR.. playing in "demo" mode that tricked some flag to be full game |
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lebruhgamer[m] |
🏴☠️ |
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MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> it seems kilbith is writing code for the people he was bashing earlier (the floss community). it's a bit weird |
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lebruhgamer[m] |
more like kilbith is blind that the people he was bashing were also part of the floss community itself |
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MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> i cannot help but be amused by the tech elitism and an argument with a guy who has celeron in the name. rage against the machine |
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MTDiscord |
<Fleckenstein> didn't erlehmann make the minetest logo |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> yep, he did |
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<AncientMariner> it's a pretty sexy logo |
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kilbith |
I really hope that one day celeron55 will tell us that this guy committed suicide, but my lawyer advised me not to say that |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> what |
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kilbith |
if only I could swap Jude's life to some other |
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kilbith was kicked by rubenwardy: kick |
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PrairieWind |
uhh |
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PrairieWind |
yeesh |
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rubenwardy |
bye |
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PrairieWind |
dude loves to escalate stuff it seems |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> oh thank you ruben, finally he's banned |
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MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> too far, fuck |
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lebruhgamer[m] |
banning off irc wouldn't really help .. he might just put up like rant on the forum next, and then probably on his social media (if he had one, idk if he do) |
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definitelya |
Who hurt him? |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Himself |
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definitelya |
true |
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MTDiscord |
<Niklp> thank you ruben, banning him is a win for the whole community |
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lebruhgamer[m] |
monitor the forum for potential post from him |
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celeron55 |
the question is, wait for the post on forum and github before banning on there, or just ban first |
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rubenwardy |
pretty sure that's the response he wanted |
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<AncientMariner> he intended to burn bridges by the looks of things, he doesn't want to come back |
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<AncientMariner> i don't think many/any will be interested in what he has to say anyway |
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<Bastrabun> Is it on purpose IRRLICHTMT_BUILD_DIR is not listed among the general and lib specific options in the readme, only in the section above? |
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sfan5 |
I didn't even know that option existed |
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<GoodClover> AncientMariner: he's deleted the Camera API PR, so seems so, yes |
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PrairieWind |
oof, is the tips pr gone too? |
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MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> (note that doesn't mean the work's lost, just that some else has to pick it up) |
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PrairieWind |
I only have the tips code |
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PrairieWind |
maybe I can pick it up after I get a bit better at c++ |
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independent56 |
I'm glad this "kiblif" guy is gone reading the chat logs |
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independent56 |
They seem to be more controversial then me, and that's quite something |
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muurkha |
yeah, I think celeron55 is from Finland, which was technically a third-world country (though I guess that changes this week as it joins NATO) |
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rubenwardy |
err no it's not |
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sofar |
technically? that's rich coming from someone with the nickname "muurkha" |
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rubenwardy |
ok apparently there's a cold war definition which was different |
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muurkha |
yeah, I mean, that's the only actual definition |
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muurkha |
the rest is just vague associations |
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independent56 |
Switzerland has the best trains of any third world country lol |
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muurkha |
heh |
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muurkha |
yes |
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muurkha |
unless we count China? I'm not sure if they were third world or second world |
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independent56 |
How come both Linus Torvalds and C55 came from Finaland? They should meet up sometime |
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sofar |
Torvalds lives in Oregon, USA |
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independent56 |
muurkha, In the 2000s it was mostly second world |
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muurkha |
independent56: in the 2000s arguably the second world didn't exist |
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independent56 |
hmm |
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rubenwardy |
> The use of the term “Third World” initially arose during the Cold War and was used to define countries that did not align themselves with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) or the Warsaw Pact. In other words, the term was used to classify countries that did not pick a faction during the Cold War. Countries that aligned with NATO were considered part of the “First World,” while countries that aligned with the Warsaw Pact were part of |
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rubenwardy |
the “Second World.” |
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celeron55 |
btw, as kilbith is going to delete his branches on github, i did fetch a copy of his repo. if anyone needs it just ask |
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independent56 |
Kiblitt seems to be 2020-2021 me on LF |
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independent56 |
I'm glad i grew out of that phase |
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muurkha |
LF? |
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independent56 |
Linuxforks |
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muurkha |
ah, not familiar |
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muurkha |
anyway so kilbith's rant against third-world people targets the actual founders of Minetest, even if kilbith is unaware of this |
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independent56 |
It's the server i used to love. Now i dismiss it as a pointless distraction (which is healthier then being the pinnacle of all my hate back in 2021) |
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muurkha |
yeah, being driven by hate is bad for you. I'm glad you got better |
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independent56 |
yes |
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independent56 |
Now i am driven by competition, passion, or the intent to annoy people |
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independent56 |
My decision to learn a few Arabic phrases was mostly to see how angry that Qatari guy inclass would get |
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independent56 |
And the only reason i even try to write mods is to compete with those developers on contentdb |
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independent56 |
I'm suprised they make so many mods!! |
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independent56 |
I am trying to teach myselfhow to twist my mind to turn these basic drives into productive things |
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muurkha |
I've often found that thinking that someone's opinion is stupid and wrong spurs me into learning about something |
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muurkha |
so I can put together a convincing argument for why it's wrong |
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independent56 |
haha good idea |
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muurkha |
most of the time the result is that I find that it was my opinion that was wrong in the first place |
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muurkha |
at least partly |
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muurkha |
this works better on forums than on chat because chat doesn't pause long enough for me to learn things, and also I can't delete my half-written comment |
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independent56 |
i'm glad i'm a teenager as my brain can manipulate itself whilst its still growing. "kilbif" will drive themselves to death with their attitude |
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muurkha |
if they're the only casualty, that would be better than the most likely outcome, that they kill several other people in the process |
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independent56 |
hmm |
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independent56 |
I don't understand why they hate the people who probably brought them the hardware needed to connect to IRC |
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muurkha |
hate feeds on hate |
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independent56 |
That explains it |
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independent56 |
They're french so get a lot of unjust hate from the brits |
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Elon_Satoshi |
howdy |
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lebruhgamer[m] |
uh oh.. ig that makes sense for them to use India and Malaysia as example, those are both ex-British colonies |
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lebruhgamer[m] |
wait.. ik someone from UK |
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lebruhgamer[m] |
ruben is brits right? |
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lebruhgamer[m] |
<independent56> "They're french so get a lot of..." <- I hope he doesn't get death threat from kilbith because of this |
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rubenwardy |
unfortunately |
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rubenwardy |
oops |
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independent56 |
Just to clarify: I am British |
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independent56 |
I don't really care for the death threat; they'd surrender to me in a fight |
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<AncientMariner> there are some brits that dislike the french, and some french that dislike the brits |
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<AncientMariner> most do not |
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MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> i'm british, and i prefer Europeans to many of our folk... |
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MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> nationalism is pointless though |
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MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> excuses treated fellow humans as less than |
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<GoodClover> many Brits are terrible just as many non-Brits are terrible 🤷 |
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MTDiscord |
<AncientMariner> summary - people suck |
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MinetestBot |
[git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest: Revert "Add mesh-holding blocks to shadow drawlist. (#13203)" b01f85d https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/b01f85d573b5366db9ab16afad4f4e191e46bea2 (2023-04-03T20:57:05Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest: Take mesh-bounding-sphere into account in updateDrawListShadow 7048fc2 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/7048fc25dd963490552214e15d5e9a4c612d6b18 (2023-04-03T20:57:05Z) |
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<MTDiscord> "<AncientMariner> nationalism..." <- Stop having braincells |
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