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IRC log for #minetest, 2022-05-25

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07:59 nexus .
08:36 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> ,
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09:13 MTDiscord <GSurrounder> .
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10:48 settl3r[m] At which light level do rats start to spawn? (using mobs_animal, mobs_monster,  mobs_npc and mobs_redo mods)
10:49 settl3r[m] and at which light level do aggressive mobs start to spawn?
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11:54 calcul0n settl3r[m], for mobs_animal rats it's between 3 and 9
11:55 calcul0n and for other mobs it's easy to find in the source code, look at the mobs:spawn function for each of them
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13:15 MTDiscord <Niklp> ContentDB down?
13:19 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> ContentDB down.
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13:43 erle ; LANG=C curl 'http://content.minetest.net'
13:43 erle curl: (7) Failed to connect to content.minetest.net port 80: Connection refused
13:43 erle # exited 7
13:45 erle rubenwardy contentdb is down
13:45 rubenwardy DNS issues with the host I use
13:48 erle so will it clear up itself?
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14:16 rubenwardy OK, online again
14:16 rubenwardy for more info: https://www.netcup-status.de/
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14:23 rubenwardy obviously, I should switch to using the cloud because they never have DNS problems
14:25 erle lul
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14:44 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> the xkcd 908 kind of cloud? :P
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17:26 Reamer23 Hello
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20:58 settl3r[m] hello
20:58 settl3r[m] Does F2 block all messages or just chat?
20:58 settl3r[m] eg. if a new player joins the server or dies etc.
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21:27 MTDiscord <IhrFussel> All those things use the regular chat to display so yes those are hidden as well
21:38 MTDiscord <Juri> Hey is Sfan5 in the house?
21:43 erle Juri i think using bots to boost your ratings is not necessary, you could just patch the server to lie
21:43 MTDiscord <Juri> I know that, but these guys obviously not
21:44 erle sfan5 is also in this channel btw
21:44 MTDiscord <Juri> Player list
21:44 MTDiscord <Juri> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979137862148706345/Screenshot_20220525_215757.png
21:44 erle Juri you can use my minetest-servers script to fetch that dynamically
21:44 MTDiscord <Juri> The admin
21:44 MTDiscord <Juri> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979138012241870858/VineMine.png
21:45 MTDiscord <Juri> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979138169402425494/Screenshot_20220525_230217.png
21:45 erle ; minetest-servers name |grep VineMine
21:45 erle ka.edgy1.net:48123VineMine [EN/RU]
21:46 erle ; minetest-servers clients_list |grep ka.edgy1.net:48123 |cut -f2 |tr '\n' ' '
21:46 erle 5656 mtbot36 mtbot9 mtbot6 mtbot38 mtbot30 mtbot22 mtbot40 mtbot19 mtbot21 mtbot29 mtbot31 mtbot11 mtbot20 mtbot24 mtbot23 mtbot5 mtbot42 mtbot46 mtbot49 mtbot37 mtbot35 mtbot48 mtbot10 mtbot13 mtbot3 _Krm_ mtbot12 mtbot4 mtbot27 mtbot43 mtbot39 mtbot15 limewolf mtbot28 mtbot34 mtbot2 mtbot32 mtbot33 mtbot1 mtbot44 mtbot41 mtbot8 mtbot7 mtbot17 mtbot14 mtbot47 mtbot50 mtbot25
21:46 MTDiscord <Juri> They have a Discord server too, if you go there you can check their ingame-chat channel, they are doing it since almost 3 weeks
21:46 Krock settl3r[m]: there's only one chat. if messages are printed into that area, then it'll disappear with F2. you can confirm that by running the command /status which works in the same way
21:47 erle Juri can you tell me about the bots? how are they working? do they need a full minetest client?
21:47 Krock you don't need bots for this trick. simply add a bunch of dummy players to the reported player list
21:48 MTDiscord <Juri> I don't think so, for two reasons. 1) As you can read in their discord, the admin hosts all 50 bots on his debian pc 2) but proudly says that the bots don't add lag to the server
21:48 erle cool can you coax the bot source code out of them?
21:48 MTDiscord <Juri> If you join there, all bots are in one place, starved to death, doing nothing for hours
21:49 MTDiscord <Juri> I think they use the Go Minetest Client
21:49 erle which one
21:49 MTDiscord <Juri> And no, the admin banned me xD
21:50 MTDiscord <Juri> One sec
21:50 erle so the admin of a server banned you and now you try to have your revenge
21:50 erle well played juri
21:51 MTDiscord <Juri> https://github.com/minetest-go/minetest_client
21:51 MTDiscord <Juri> No Erlemann, don't assume
21:51 MTDiscord <Juri> He banned me after this:
21:52 MTDiscord <Juri> You know what, go look for yourself
21:52 MTDiscord <Juri> Join their Discord and check the general channel
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22:03 MTDiscord <Juri> Extra nur für dich mein lieber Nils Dagsson Moskopp:
22:03 MTDiscord <Juri> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979142700202864690/erlehlel-1.png
22:03 MTDiscord <Juri> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979142715419815996/erlehlel-2.png
22:03 MTDiscord <Juri> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979142727952384010/erlehlel-3.png
22:03 MTDiscord <Juri> Nach der "What rule exactly?" bin ich gebannt worden
22:06 MTDiscord <luatic> This is dumb, Krock is right - it could be so simple to modify what gets sent to the server list
22:06 MTDiscord <luatic> It's literally a HTTP request, I've considered customizable announces as a modlib feature
22:11 MTDiscord <Juri> The method doesn't matter IMO
22:11 MTDiscord <Juri> It's about the fact that he's "cheating"
22:12 erle Juri you called the admin a dick LMAO
22:12 erle i mean, you are not wrong
22:12 erle but like
22:12 erle maybe you got banned for that?
22:12 MTDiscord <Juri> I made him uncomfortable
22:13 MTDiscord <Juri> And when I asked about the specific rule, he knew there is no rule I broke
22:13 erle well, i don't think you can win against this type of person by pointing out rules
22:14 MTDiscord <luatic> Juri: Keine Formfehler machen!
22:14 erle lol
22:14 MTDiscord <Juri> Grr, saying that is easy lunatic haha
22:15 MTDiscord <luatic> hehe
22:15 erle > lunatic
22:15 erle lol
22:15 MTDiscord <luatic> I wonder what should be done about this
22:15 erle it takes some integrity to apply rules to themselves. if you have established that the admin is a liar anyway, pointing to rules is not going to help.
22:15 MTDiscord <luatic> I believe sfan5 should write down some very basic rules for the server list
22:15 MTDiscord <luatic> And #1 on that list should be no lying
22:15 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome
22:16 MTDiscord <luatic> ...
22:16 erle glowstone code is so often mentioned hehehehehehe
22:16 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> As long as there is no Terms Of Service published for using the server list, the "owner" of the serverlist could basically do whatever he wanted.
22:17 MTDiscord <Juri> That's right, but vice versa can Sfan5 do what he wants, right?
22:17 erle you misread it
22:17 MTDiscord <Juri> He just could clear accounts that matches that exact name pattern
22:17 MTDiscord <luatic> As said, the proper course of action is to write down some rules to enforce
22:17 erle the owner of the serverlist
22:18 erle i believe the proper thing is to talk to edgy
22:18 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> That's a very german apporach 😄
22:18 MTDiscord <luatic> I believe edgy is no authority here
22:18 MTDiscord <Juri> Oh right lol, misread it
22:18 erle edgy1 is a dedicated minetest server hoster
22:18 MTDiscord <luatic> Doesn't matter
22:18 MTDiscord <luatic> He's the wrong one to go to
22:18 MTDiscord <luatic> He did nothing wrong
22:18 erle but surely they can have a serious talk with the admin
22:18 MTDiscord <luatic> It's not their talk to have
22:18 MTDiscord <luatic> Not their responsibility
22:19 MTDiscord <luatic> There's no need to involve this "edgy" third party :P
22:20 erle okay
22:20 erle well
22:20 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> Let's just assume the guy kinda knew he was cheating and tried to get away with it, got caught now, pointed out and hopefully he'll stop cheating, then proceed to become a responsible member of the MT server community and give us another awesome server to play on.
22:20 erle > hopefully he'll stop cheating
22:21 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> Actually I can't find his server on the list atm?
22:21 erle maybe it got sanctioned
22:21 erle :---DDD
22:21 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> Oh, I'm wrong. It's there, only the bots are gone. Miracle!
22:21 erle ha
22:21 erle maybe you are right
22:22 MTDiscord <luatic> @Bastrabun I doubt that this kind of server operator gives their players awesome servers to play on
22:22 erle ; minetest-servers clients_list |grep ka.edgy1.net:48123 |cut -f2 |tr '\n' ' '
22:22 erle BISMAR
22:22 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> I like to assume the best until proven otherwise 🙂
22:22 MTDiscord <Juri> Don't get fooled by that, he's doing that since 6th May, adding bots for a few hours every few days
22:23 MTDiscord <Juri> As I said, they have a Discord linked to their ingame  chat, you can search for the bots names
22:26 MTDiscord <Juri> Btw no need to involve wsor, he already knows about it lol
22:26 MTDiscord <Juri> Oh don't get me wrong, that was bad wording, I meant he just learned about it
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22:38 MTDiscord <Warr1024> If you have a dispute with the owner of a server, both of you have basically the same recourse
22:38 MTDiscord <Warr1024> i.e. if they don't like you, then they can remove you from their server, and if you don't like them, then you can remove you from their server.
22:39 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Some servers may grant you specific rights but many do not, and if you don't read about specific things like that in their terms of use (or if they don't even have terms) then there's probably not much more you can do.
22:43 erle also if you are in germany, don't call someone a dick on the internet
22:44 erle https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/hamburg/Pimmelgate-Nach-Durchsuchung-in-Hamburg-Kritik-an-Grote,grote566.html
22:44 MTDiscord <Inevaaa> 👀
22:46 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Haha, oh wow, and I thought Americans were uptight being all offended when aussies say c*nt...
22:47 MTDiscord <Inevaaa> I think it would generally be better not to insult each other, you never know who is behind the account. Imagine after it's your boss or something like that
22:48 MTDiscord <Inevaaa> Or son of a good friend...
22:48 erle Warr1024 i was joking, of course. it's not about calling the guy a dick, it's about calling a powerful politician a dick.
22:49 erle Warr1024 then some eager person asks him “hey do you want us to do something about it” and he's like “yes of course, otherwise law and order would mean nothing” and then they fuck up that persons flat
22:50 erle or, the flat of the ex girlfriend, as in this thing
22:50 MTDiscord <Warr1024> so they call him a dick and his response is ... to prove them right?
22:50 erle Warr1024 the TL;DR is not to not call someone a dick on the internet, but to make sure the target is not a law & order politician or police.
22:50 erle yes, pretty much
22:52 erle basically, there is a class of people you can't really make fun of, unless maybe if your job is to be a comedian, because then it backfires.
22:53 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Sadly, being trusted with power and being able to responsibly handle criticism don't seem particularly correlated
22:54 erle well, it's not a thing of a single person, it's a systemic issue
22:56 erle like, as a normal person or a far-left politician you can get death threats on twitter and german police won't care as much as they do here
22:56 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Well, I mean, it's both ... and the fact that we always solve the person-issue and leave the systemic-issue is basically another systemic issue 😅
22:57 erle i actually know someone who made a death threat to a politician on twitter (stupid thing to do) and she did get a visit from the police, but they didn't trash her flat. i think they figured out she was probably drunk or so when she did it and told her to cut the crap or so.
22:58 erle i don't like german police, but i don't actually think it's inappropriate for them to show up and give someone a stern talking to if they appear *that* threatening.
22:58 erle also just to make sure that person isn't in fact someone who announces an assasination.
22:59 erle Warr1024 you can easily see btw where the line is without any big research. compare german portrayals of politicians and police in media to media from other countries with different restrictions on speech.
23:00 erle i honestly find it a bit scary
23:00 erle mapping the territory not by what is there, but by what could easily be there and is not
23:03 erle anyways, i believe politicians should have a sense of humor, like zelenskyy
23:03 erle people who can't take a joke should not have any power
23:08 MTDiscord <luatic> According to Arendt, humor undermines what she calls authority
23:10 erle non-germans often think that i am exaggerating when i tell them that fun is banned in germany.
23:11 erle so now i tell them that there is a historical reason: germany had fun once. 60 million died.
23:11 erle (this is a self-demonstrating joke, non-germans find it *way* funnier than germans.)
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