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Topic for #minetest is now The official Minetest channel | Latest version: 5.5.1 (2022-05-15) | General, player and modding discussion is on-topic. If in doubt, post here | Responses may take a while, be patient | Rules: https://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: https://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: https://irc.minetest.net/minetest |
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<ROllerozxa> , |
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<GSurrounder> . |
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settl3r[m] |
At which light level do rats start to spawn? (using mobs_animal, mobs_monster, mobs_npc and mobs_redo mods) |
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settl3r[m] |
and at which light level do aggressive mobs start to spawn? |
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calcul0n |
settl3r[m], for mobs_animal rats it's between 3 and 9 |
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calcul0n |
and for other mobs it's easy to find in the source code, look at the mobs:spawn function for each of them |
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<Niklp> ContentDB down? |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> ContentDB down. |
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erle |
; LANG=C curl 'http://content.minetest.net' |
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erle |
curl: (7) Failed to connect to content.minetest.net port 80: Connection refused |
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erle |
# exited 7 |
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erle |
rubenwardy contentdb is down |
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rubenwardy |
DNS issues with the host I use |
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erle |
so will it clear up itself? |
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rubenwardy |
OK, online again |
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rubenwardy |
for more info: https://www.netcup-status.de/ |
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rubenwardy |
obviously, I should switch to using the cloud because they never have DNS problems |
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erle |
lul |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> the xkcd 908 kind of cloud? :P |
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Reamer23 |
Hello |
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settl3r[m] |
hello |
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settl3r[m] |
Does F2 block all messages or just chat? |
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settl3r[m] |
eg. if a new player joins the server or dies etc. |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> All those things use the regular chat to display so yes those are hidden as well |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> Hey is Sfan5 in the house? |
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erle |
Juri i think using bots to boost your ratings is not necessary, you could just patch the server to lie |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> I know that, but these guys obviously not |
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erle |
sfan5 is also in this channel btw |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> Player list |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979137862148706345/Screenshot_20220525_215757.png |
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erle |
Juri you can use my minetest-servers script to fetch that dynamically |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> The admin |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979138012241870858/VineMine.png |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979138169402425494/Screenshot_20220525_230217.png |
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erle |
; minetest-servers name |grep VineMine |
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erle |
ka.edgy1.net:48123VineMine [EN/RU] |
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erle |
; minetest-servers clients_list |grep ka.edgy1.net:48123 |cut -f2 |tr '\n' ' ' |
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erle |
5656 mtbot36 mtbot9 mtbot6 mtbot38 mtbot30 mtbot22 mtbot40 mtbot19 mtbot21 mtbot29 mtbot31 mtbot11 mtbot20 mtbot24 mtbot23 mtbot5 mtbot42 mtbot46 mtbot49 mtbot37 mtbot35 mtbot48 mtbot10 mtbot13 mtbot3 _Krm_ mtbot12 mtbot4 mtbot27 mtbot43 mtbot39 mtbot15 limewolf mtbot28 mtbot34 mtbot2 mtbot32 mtbot33 mtbot1 mtbot44 mtbot41 mtbot8 mtbot7 mtbot17 mtbot14 mtbot47 mtbot50 mtbot25 |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> They have a Discord server too, if you go there you can check their ingame-chat channel, they are doing it since almost 3 weeks |
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Krock |
settl3r[m]: there's only one chat. if messages are printed into that area, then it'll disappear with F2. you can confirm that by running the command /status which works in the same way |
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erle |
Juri can you tell me about the bots? how are they working? do they need a full minetest client? |
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Krock |
you don't need bots for this trick. simply add a bunch of dummy players to the reported player list |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> I don't think so, for two reasons. 1) As you can read in their discord, the admin hosts all 50 bots on his debian pc 2) but proudly says that the bots don't add lag to the server |
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erle |
cool can you coax the bot source code out of them? |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> If you join there, all bots are in one place, starved to death, doing nothing for hours |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> I think they use the Go Minetest Client |
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erle |
which one |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> And no, the admin banned me xD |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> One sec |
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erle |
so the admin of a server banned you and now you try to have your revenge |
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erle |
well played juri |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> https://github.com/minetest-go/minetest_client |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> No Erlemann, don't assume |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> He banned me after this: |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> You know what, go look for yourself |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> Join their Discord and check the general channel |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> Extra nur für dich mein lieber Nils Dagsson Moskopp: |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979142700202864690/erlehlel-1.png |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979142715419815996/erlehlel-2.png |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979142727952384010/erlehlel-3.png |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> Nach der "What rule exactly?" bin ich gebannt worden |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> This is dumb, Krock is right - it could be so simple to modify what gets sent to the server list |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> It's literally a HTTP request, I've considered customizable announces as a modlib feature |
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<Juri> The method doesn't matter IMO |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> It's about the fact that he's "cheating" |
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erle |
Juri you called the admin a dick LMAO |
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erle |
i mean, you are not wrong |
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erle |
but like |
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erle |
maybe you got banned for that? |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> I made him uncomfortable |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> And when I asked about the specific rule, he knew there is no rule I broke |
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erle |
well, i don't think you can win against this type of person by pointing out rules |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Juri: Keine Formfehler machen! |
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erle |
lol |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> Grr, saying that is easy lunatic haha |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> hehe |
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erle |
> lunatic |
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erle |
lol |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I wonder what should be done about this |
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erle |
it takes some integrity to apply rules to themselves. if you have established that the admin is a liar anyway, pointing to rules is not going to help. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I believe sfan5 should write down some very basic rules for the server list |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> And #1 on that list should be no lying |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> ... |
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erle |
glowstone code is so often mentioned hehehehehehe |
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MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> As long as there is no Terms Of Service published for using the server list, the "owner" of the serverlist could basically do whatever he wanted. |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> That's right, but vice versa can Sfan5 do what he wants, right? |
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erle |
you misread it |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> He just could clear accounts that matches that exact name pattern |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> As said, the proper course of action is to write down some rules to enforce |
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erle |
the owner of the serverlist |
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erle |
i believe the proper thing is to talk to edgy |
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MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> That's a very german apporach ? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I believe edgy is no authority here |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> Oh right lol, misread it |
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erle |
edgy1 is a dedicated minetest server hoster |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Doesn't matter |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> He's the wrong one to go to |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> He did nothing wrong |
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erle |
but surely they can have a serious talk with the admin |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> It's not their talk to have |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Not their responsibility |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> There's no need to involve this "edgy" third party :P |
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erle |
okay |
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erle |
well |
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MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> Let's just assume the guy kinda knew he was cheating and tried to get away with it, got caught now, pointed out and hopefully he'll stop cheating, then proceed to become a responsible member of the MT server community and give us another awesome server to play on. |
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erle |
> hopefully he'll stop cheating |
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MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> Actually I can't find his server on the list atm? |
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erle |
maybe it got sanctioned |
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erle |
:---DDD |
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MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> Oh, I'm wrong. It's there, only the bots are gone. Miracle! |
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erle |
ha |
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erle |
maybe you are right |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> @Bastrabun I doubt that this kind of server operator gives their players awesome servers to play on |
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erle |
; minetest-servers clients_list |grep ka.edgy1.net:48123 |cut -f2 |tr '\n' ' ' |
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erle |
BISMAR |
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MTDiscord |
<Bastrabun> I like to assume the best until proven otherwise ? |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> Don't get fooled by that, he's doing that since 6th May, adding bots for a few hours every few days |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> As I said, they have a Discord linked to their ingame chat, you can search for the bots names |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> Btw no need to involve wsor, he already knows about it lol |
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MTDiscord |
<Juri> Oh don't get me wrong, that was bad wording, I meant he just learned about it |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you have a dispute with the owner of a server, both of you have basically the same recourse |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> i.e. if they don't like you, then they can remove you from their server, and if you don't like them, then you can remove you from their server. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Some servers may grant you specific rights but many do not, and if you don't read about specific things like that in their terms of use (or if they don't even have terms) then there's probably not much more you can do. |
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erle |
also if you are in germany, don't call someone a dick on the internet |
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erle |
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/hamburg/Pimmelgate-Nach-Durchsuchung-in-Hamburg-Kritik-an-Grote,grote566.html |
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MTDiscord |
<Inevaaa> ? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Haha, oh wow, and I thought Americans were uptight being all offended when aussies say c*nt... |
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MTDiscord |
<Inevaaa> I think it would generally be better not to insult each other, you never know who is behind the account. Imagine after it's your boss or something like that |
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MTDiscord |
<Inevaaa> Or son of a good friend... |
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erle |
Warr1024 i was joking, of course. it's not about calling the guy a dick, it's about calling a powerful politician a dick. |
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erle |
Warr1024 then some eager person asks him “hey do you want us to do something about it” and he's like “yes of course, otherwise law and order would mean nothing” and then they fuck up that persons flat |
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erle |
or, the flat of the ex girlfriend, as in this thing |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> so they call him a dick and his response is ... to prove them right? |
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erle |
Warr1024 the TL;DR is not to not call someone a dick on the internet, but to make sure the target is not a law & order politician or police. |
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erle |
yes, pretty much |
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erle |
basically, there is a class of people you can't really make fun of, unless maybe if your job is to be a comedian, because then it backfires. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Sadly, being trusted with power and being able to responsibly handle criticism don't seem particularly correlated |
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erle |
well, it's not a thing of a single person, it's a systemic issue |
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erle |
like, as a normal person or a far-left politician you can get death threats on twitter and german police won't care as much as they do here |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Well, I mean, it's both ... and the fact that we always solve the person-issue and leave the systemic-issue is basically another systemic issue ? |
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erle |
i actually know someone who made a death threat to a politician on twitter (stupid thing to do) and she did get a visit from the police, but they didn't trash her flat. i think they figured out she was probably drunk or so when she did it and told her to cut the crap or so. |
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erle |
i don't like german police, but i don't actually think it's inappropriate for them to show up and give someone a stern talking to if they appear *that* threatening. |
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erle |
also just to make sure that person isn't in fact someone who announces an assasination. |
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erle |
Warr1024 you can easily see btw where the line is without any big research. compare german portrayals of politicians and police in media to media from other countries with different restrictions on speech. |
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erle |
i honestly find it a bit scary |
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erle |
mapping the territory not by what is there, but by what could easily be there and is not |
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erle |
anyways, i believe politicians should have a sense of humor, like zelenskyy |
| 23:03 |
erle |
people who can't take a joke should not have any power |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> According to Arendt, humor undermines what she calls authority |
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erle |
non-germans often think that i am exaggerating when i tell them that fun is banned in germany. |
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erle |
so now i tell them that there is a historical reason: germany had fun once. 60 million died. |
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erle |
(this is a self-demonstrating joke, non-germans find it *way* funnier than germans.) |
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