Time Nick Message 07:59 nexus . 08:36 MTDiscord , 09:13 MTDiscord . 10:48 settl3r[m] At which light level do rats start to spawn? (using mobs_animal, mobs_monster, mobs_npc and mobs_redo mods) 10:49 settl3r[m] and at which light level do aggressive mobs start to spawn? 11:54 calcul0n settl3r[m], for mobs_animal rats it's between 3 and 9 11:55 calcul0n and for other mobs it's easy to find in the source code, look at the mobs:spawn function for each of them 13:15 MTDiscord ContentDB down? 13:19 MTDiscord ContentDB down. 13:43 erle ; LANG=C curl 'http://content.minetest.net' 13:43 erle curl: (7) Failed to connect to content.minetest.net port 80: Connection refused 13:43 erle # exited 7 13:45 erle rubenwardy contentdb is down 13:45 rubenwardy DNS issues with the host I use 13:48 erle so will it clear up itself? 14:16 rubenwardy OK, online again 14:16 rubenwardy for more info: https://www.netcup-status.de/ 14:23 rubenwardy obviously, I should switch to using the cloud because they never have DNS problems 14:25 erle lul 14:44 MTDiscord the xkcd 908 kind of cloud? :P 17:26 Reamer23 Hello 20:58 settl3r[m] hello 20:58 settl3r[m] Does F2 block all messages or just chat? 20:58 settl3r[m] eg. if a new player joins the server or dies etc. 21:27 MTDiscord All those things use the regular chat to display so yes those are hidden as well 21:38 MTDiscord Hey is Sfan5 in the house? 21:43 erle Juri i think using bots to boost your ratings is not necessary, you could just patch the server to lie 21:43 MTDiscord I know that, but these guys obviously not 21:44 erle sfan5 is also in this channel btw 21:44 MTDiscord Player list 21:44 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979137862148706345/Screenshot_20220525_215757.png 21:44 erle Juri you can use my minetest-servers script to fetch that dynamically 21:44 MTDiscord The admin 21:44 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979138012241870858/VineMine.png 21:45 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979138169402425494/Screenshot_20220525_230217.png 21:45 erle ; minetest-servers name |grep VineMine 21:45 erle ka.edgy1.net:48123 VineMine [EN/RU] 21:46 erle ; minetest-servers clients_list |grep ka.edgy1.net:48123 |cut -f2 |tr '\n' ' ' 21:46 erle 5656 mtbot36 mtbot9 mtbot6 mtbot38 mtbot30 mtbot22 mtbot40 mtbot19 mtbot21 mtbot29 mtbot31 mtbot11 mtbot20 mtbot24 mtbot23 mtbot5 mtbot42 mtbot46 mtbot49 mtbot37 mtbot35 mtbot48 mtbot10 mtbot13 mtbot3 _Krm_ mtbot12 mtbot4 mtbot27 mtbot43 mtbot39 mtbot15 limewolf mtbot28 mtbot34 mtbot2 mtbot32 mtbot33 mtbot1 mtbot44 mtbot41 mtbot8 mtbot7 mtbot17 mtbot14 mtbot47 mtbot50 mtbot25 21:46 MTDiscord They have a Discord server too, if you go there you can check their ingame-chat channel, they are doing it since almost 3 weeks 21:46 Krock settl3r[m]: there's only one chat. if messages are printed into that area, then it'll disappear with F2. you can confirm that by running the command /status which works in the same way 21:47 erle Juri can you tell me about the bots? how are they working? do they need a full minetest client? 21:47 Krock you don't need bots for this trick. simply add a bunch of dummy players to the reported player list 21:48 MTDiscord I don't think so, for two reasons. 1) As you can read in their discord, the admin hosts all 50 bots on his debian pc 2) but proudly says that the bots don't add lag to the server 21:48 erle cool can you coax the bot source code out of them? 21:48 MTDiscord If you join there, all bots are in one place, starved to death, doing nothing for hours 21:49 MTDiscord I think they use the Go Minetest Client 21:49 erle which one 21:49 MTDiscord And no, the admin banned me xD 21:50 MTDiscord One sec 21:50 erle so the admin of a server banned you and now you try to have your revenge 21:50 erle well played juri 21:51 MTDiscord https://github.com/minetest-go/minetest_client 21:51 MTDiscord No Erlemann, don't assume 21:51 MTDiscord He banned me after this: 21:52 MTDiscord You know what, go look for yourself 21:52 MTDiscord Join their Discord and check the general channel 22:03 MTDiscord Extra nur für dich mein lieber Nils Dagsson Moskopp: 22:03 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979142700202864690/erlehlel-1.png 22:03 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979142715419815996/erlehlel-2.png 22:03 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/979142727952384010/erlehlel-3.png 22:03 MTDiscord Nach der "What rule exactly?" bin ich gebannt worden 22:06 MTDiscord This is dumb, Krock is right - it could be so simple to modify what gets sent to the server list 22:06 MTDiscord It's literally a HTTP request, I've considered customizable announces as a modlib feature 22:11 MTDiscord The method doesn't matter IMO 22:11 MTDiscord It's about the fact that he's "cheating" 22:12 erle Juri you called the admin a dick LMAO 22:12 erle i mean, you are not wrong 22:12 erle but like 22:12 erle maybe you got banned for that? 22:12 MTDiscord I made him uncomfortable 22:13 MTDiscord And when I asked about the specific rule, he knew there is no rule I broke 22:13 erle well, i don't think you can win against this type of person by pointing out rules 22:14 MTDiscord Juri: Keine Formfehler machen! 22:14 erle lol 22:14 MTDiscord Grr, saying that is easy lunatic haha 22:15 MTDiscord hehe 22:15 erle > lunatic 22:15 erle lol 22:15 MTDiscord I wonder what should be done about this 22:15 erle it takes some integrity to apply rules to themselves. if you have established that the admin is a liar anyway, pointing to rules is not going to help. 22:15 MTDiscord I believe sfan5 should write down some very basic rules for the server list 22:15 MTDiscord And #1 on that list should be no lying 22:15 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome 22:16 MTDiscord ... 22:16 erle glowstone code is so often mentioned hehehehehehe 22:16 MTDiscord As long as there is no Terms Of Service published for using the server list, the "owner" of the serverlist could basically do whatever he wanted. 22:17 MTDiscord That's right, but vice versa can Sfan5 do what he wants, right? 22:17 erle you misread it 22:17 MTDiscord He just could clear accounts that matches that exact name pattern 22:17 MTDiscord As said, the proper course of action is to write down some rules to enforce 22:17 erle the owner of the serverlist 22:18 erle i believe the proper thing is to talk to edgy 22:18 MTDiscord That's a very german apporach ? 22:18 MTDiscord I believe edgy is no authority here 22:18 MTDiscord Oh right lol, misread it 22:18 erle edgy1 is a dedicated minetest server hoster 22:18 MTDiscord Doesn't matter 22:18 MTDiscord He's the wrong one to go to 22:18 MTDiscord He did nothing wrong 22:18 erle but surely they can have a serious talk with the admin 22:18 MTDiscord It's not their talk to have 22:18 MTDiscord Not their responsibility 22:19 MTDiscord There's no need to involve this "edgy" third party :P 22:20 erle okay 22:20 erle well 22:20 MTDiscord Let's just assume the guy kinda knew he was cheating and tried to get away with it, got caught now, pointed out and hopefully he'll stop cheating, then proceed to become a responsible member of the MT server community and give us another awesome server to play on. 22:20 erle > hopefully he'll stop cheating 22:21 MTDiscord Actually I can't find his server on the list atm? 22:21 erle maybe it got sanctioned 22:21 erle :---DDD 22:21 MTDiscord Oh, I'm wrong. It's there, only the bots are gone. Miracle! 22:21 erle ha 22:21 erle maybe you are right 22:22 MTDiscord @Bastrabun I doubt that this kind of server operator gives their players awesome servers to play on 22:22 erle ; minetest-servers clients_list |grep ka.edgy1.net:48123 |cut -f2 |tr '\n' ' ' 22:22 erle BISMAR 22:22 MTDiscord I like to assume the best until proven otherwise ? 22:22 MTDiscord Don't get fooled by that, he's doing that since 6th May, adding bots for a few hours every few days 22:23 MTDiscord As I said, they have a Discord linked to their ingame chat, you can search for the bots names 22:26 MTDiscord Btw no need to involve wsor, he already knows about it lol 22:26 MTDiscord Oh don't get me wrong, that was bad wording, I meant he just learned about it 22:38 MTDiscord If you have a dispute with the owner of a server, both of you have basically the same recourse 22:38 MTDiscord i.e. if they don't like you, then they can remove you from their server, and if you don't like them, then you can remove you from their server. 22:39 MTDiscord Some servers may grant you specific rights but many do not, and if you don't read about specific things like that in their terms of use (or if they don't even have terms) then there's probably not much more you can do. 22:43 erle also if you are in germany, don't call someone a dick on the internet 22:44 erle https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/hamburg/Pimmelgate-Nach-Durchsuchung-in-Hamburg-Kritik-an-Grote,grote566.html 22:44 MTDiscord ? 22:46 MTDiscord Haha, oh wow, and I thought Americans were uptight being all offended when aussies say c*nt... 22:47 MTDiscord I think it would generally be better not to insult each other, you never know who is behind the account. Imagine after it's your boss or something like that 22:48 MTDiscord Or son of a good friend... 22:48 erle Warr1024 i was joking, of course. it's not about calling the guy a dick, it's about calling a powerful politician a dick. 22:49 erle Warr1024 then some eager person asks him “hey do you want us to do something about it” and he's like “yes of course, otherwise law and order would mean nothing” and then they fuck up that persons flat 22:50 erle or, the flat of the ex girlfriend, as in this thing 22:50 MTDiscord so they call him a dick and his response is ... to prove them right? 22:50 erle Warr1024 the TL;DR is not to not call someone a dick on the internet, but to make sure the target is not a law & order politician or police. 22:50 erle yes, pretty much 22:52 erle basically, there is a class of people you can't really make fun of, unless maybe if your job is to be a comedian, because then it backfires. 22:53 MTDiscord Sadly, being trusted with power and being able to responsibly handle criticism don't seem particularly correlated 22:54 erle well, it's not a thing of a single person, it's a systemic issue 22:56 erle like, as a normal person or a far-left politician you can get death threats on twitter and german police won't care as much as they do here 22:56 MTDiscord Well, I mean, it's both ... and the fact that we always solve the person-issue and leave the systemic-issue is basically another systemic issue ? 22:57 erle i actually know someone who made a death threat to a politician on twitter (stupid thing to do) and she did get a visit from the police, but they didn't trash her flat. i think they figured out she was probably drunk or so when she did it and told her to cut the crap or so. 22:58 erle i don't like german police, but i don't actually think it's inappropriate for them to show up and give someone a stern talking to if they appear *that* threatening. 22:58 erle also just to make sure that person isn't in fact someone who announces an assasination. 22:59 erle Warr1024 you can easily see btw where the line is without any big research. compare german portrayals of politicians and police in media to media from other countries with different restrictions on speech. 23:00 erle i honestly find it a bit scary 23:00 erle mapping the territory not by what is there, but by what could easily be there and is not 23:03 erle anyways, i believe politicians should have a sense of humor, like zelenskyy 23:03 erle people who can't take a joke should not have any power 23:08 MTDiscord According to Arendt, humor undermines what she calls authority 23:10 erle non-germans often think that i am exaggerating when i tell them that fun is banned in germany. 23:11 erle so now i tell them that there is a historical reason: germany had fun once. 60 million died. 23:11 erle (this is a self-demonstrating joke, non-germans find it *way* funnier than germans.)