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03:15 Wuzzy Perlin Explorer 1.0.0 released: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28027&p=409461
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06:20 jojje Hello, I have just set up a server. How can I change the privileges for my player?
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08:06 lemonzest jojje: in the config for your server you should have a name field thats the admin user who can use the privs command
08:06 lemonzest it will be "name = " and the name you chose for admin, log in under that name
08:07 lemonzest then it will be something like "/grant name priv" I think, or something like that, not 100% sure of the command
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09:41 jojje lemonzest: thanks :)
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12:50 hn_ ok fine back
12:50 hn_ so how to open crafter? no idea...
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15:21 hn_ nvm. now i dont want crafter. now i want alternative to both minetest and minecraft...
15:22 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> you're still in #minetest... 😒
15:23 hn_ ikr?
15:23 hn_ but want alternative to it so rwalted
15:23 hn_ *related
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15:24 mrkubax10 stop pls
15:24 mrkubax10 btw ubuntu releases now
15:26 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> cool, so you can get an ubuntu release with less than a year old packages?
15:26 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> how revolutionary
15:26 erle ubuntu has LTS releases and beta releases
15:26 erle so why is a new ubuntu beta interesting?
15:27 erle oh Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS
15:27 mrkubax10 afaik it's release of 22.04 LTS
15:27 erle that is the last
15:27 erle so the new one is just a new non-beta
15:27 erle well
15:27 erle i use debian stale
15:28 sfan5 good news for all friends of stale software: the fresh release of Ubuntu 22.04 includes Minetest 5.4.1
15:29 erle nice
15:29 mrkubax10 werid, why it doesn't contain 5.5.0
15:29 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> oh my, that's only one version out of date!
15:29 erle because
15:31 mrkubax10 *dramatic silence*
15:31 definitelya mrkubax10: Probably due to packaging difficulty related to Irrlichtmt.
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15:40 sfan5 could be but it's not like that's unsolvable, they're probably short on time
15:42 aoki hn_: I also want more games like that
15:42 hn_ ubuntu is kringe...
15:42 hn_ woah, reilly? aoki?
15:43 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> no, ubuntu is just regular cringe, kubuntu is kringe :P
15:43 definitelya True, hopefully it's taken care of, soon.
15:43 aoki I want more immersive games like minetest
15:43 hn_ i want just alternative with mods in python
15:43 aoki huh
15:43 aoki I'd prefer mods in erlang
15:44 hn_ nvm
15:44 mrkubax10 what's wrong about Lua?
15:44 aoki lua is too easy
15:44 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> PHP modding API when
15:44 hn_ for me non-understandable lol
15:44 aoki but more seriously, having erlang's concurrency model for mods would be pretty cool
15:44 hn_ no,  python
15:44 mrkubax10 SQL modding api when
15:45 aoki LMAO
15:45 hn_ no.
15:45 aoki javascript
15:45 definitelya aoki: It doesn't get more immersive than VR. ;) Have you heard of NeosVr?
15:45 hn_ what?
15:45 aoki I have not!
15:45 aoki oh, it even works on linux
15:45 hn_ ah, metaverse. pfth
15:45 definitelya It's a FOSS VR platform, I think it's awesome if you are into that.
15:46 definitelya hn_: no
15:46 definitelya >.<
15:46 hn_ google said
15:46 aoki can I buy nft
15:46 hn_ Neos Metaverse - also known as NeosVR
15:46 hn_ right from google
15:46 definitelya aoki: I don't think so lol.
15:47 aoki minetest resources should be nft
15:47 aoki like gold
15:47 aoki and then you can trade it on minetest stock exchange between servers
15:47 hn_ there is oins mod
15:47 hn_ * coins
15:47 aoki no, connect it to actual blockchain network lmao
15:47 aoki as nft
15:47 erle on the upside, ubuntu packaging means more people bitching about incompatible APIs!
15:48 hn_ possible...
15:48 aoki interfact through mods
15:48 erle which hopefully, one day, will lead to people adopting development practices where the rugpulling ends
15:48 hn_ but requires security turned off due to networking
15:48 erle i mean the LTS users will be stuck on 5.4.1 for 2 years
15:48 hn_ lol
15:49 hn_ and  use debian with dev-newest
15:49 aoki hn_: yeah, and also a bunch of other headache like having to setup a wallet and figure out how to mint tokens
15:49 hn_ maybe
15:49 erle > minetest stock exchange between servers
15:49 erle lol
15:49 erle call it block exchange
15:49 hn_ possible
15:49 aoki stonks
15:49 aoki multi-server economy
15:49 hn_ just to disable security but can be done
15:50 hn_ and requires centralised server
15:50 erle <sfan5> could be but it's not like that's unsolvable, they're probably short on time
15:50 erle sfan5, the truth is that ubuntu just takes debian testing and leaves most of the packages in whatever state they are in
15:50 aoki hn_: not true
15:50 erle sfan5, meanwhile, debian people come to your project and ask about packaging and stuff
15:51 erle sfan5, as has happened with minetest. debian people also give you messages like “we are intending to release soon, are you sure you don't want to make a new release, hint hint” sometimes
15:51 hn_ mine version - 5.5.0
15:51 erle i absolutely despise the ubuntu development practices
15:51 hn_ thk
15:51 hn_ modded deb
15:51 erle i made a lot of emoji for unifont and a game that used emojis and for half a year ubuntu users were like HALF THE CHARACTERS DO NOT DISPLAY
15:51 erle because ubuntu sucks
15:51 hn_ yep
15:51 hn_ indeed
15:52 erle meanwhile, the unifont contributions got to debian faster than to arch
15:52 hn_ not saying that it also sends data to external servers (in differece from windows that it says about it)
15:52 sfan5 erle: I know what ubuntu does, "they" is referring to the debian maintainers
15:53 hn_ indeed lol
15:53 hn_ except of wallpapers xd
15:56 hn_ this lol : https://ibb.co/NT2h61p (why empty world doesnt detect default nodes? lol)
15:57 hn_ noone?
15:57 hn_ mod is epty
15:57 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> have you defined the aliases?
15:58 hn_ means ?
15:58 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> ...the mapgen aliases for the default nodes it generates. kinda important yknow
16:00 hn_ i just have this : https://codeberg.org/hacknorris/electronics.git thats all
16:00 hn_ mods folder empty same as menu (doesnt exist in gitblub cause empty)
16:03 hn_ so what now ?
16:03 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> register some nodes
16:05 hn_ means ?
16:05 hn_ i was just testing empty game
16:06 erle go to content tab
16:06 erle download stuff
16:06 hn_ (means - literally empty - only gave description and name)
16:06 hn_ and yes, i have few downloads
16:06 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> a game without any mods that add content is just that - a game with no content
16:06 hn_ nodecore, voxelgarden, minebase...
16:07 hn_ but i forced flat and it produces singlnode
16:07 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> I don't know what you were expecting, unknown node world or something
16:07 hn_ literaly
16:07 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> hn_: that's because you don't have any nodes registered.
16:07 definitelya hn_: minebase is discontinued(?)
16:07 hn_ because it should take from mtg?
16:07 hn_ i thihnk
16:08 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> it doesn't. minetest is independent from minetest game
16:08 hn_ well... now i know thk
16:08 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> for an actual bare bones game if you want a base to work on, check out void game. here's its mod that registers essential nodes: https://gitlab.com/4w/void/-/blob/master/mods/void_essential/init.lua
16:08 hn_ its incontentdb ?
16:09 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> yeah it's in contentdb too
16:09 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> not that it would be of much use in itself, you wanna make a game right?
16:10 hn_ yeah, wanted just to know... (starting from smaller thing, on OS ending :'D )
16:12 hn_ and a question - is there a thing to achieve a bed-similar chair on which i can sit and could boost time by 5% ?
16:13 hn_ but to have a sitting position, not staying
16:16 hn_ noone?
16:16 hn_ no way to change position ?
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16:29 erle hn_ maybe ask question on forums
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16:31 hn_ nvm
16:31 hn_ going to make something bigger outside
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16:42 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> hn_: attaching to an entity and setting the sitting anim?
16:42 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> dunno how it would be able to boost time without being weird for other players though
16:43 hn_ just sitting without moving. like bed
16:43 hn_ with an exact position of sitting (not stand lol)
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16:46 hn_ can i have yet another big and weird question needing you to visit 2 urls ?
16:48 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> what, do you want me to ask you a question?
16:48 hn_ no, just that here is error : https://termbin.com/e9ue
16:48 hn_ and here is source : https://github.com/hacknorris-aka-penguin/minetestOS
16:49 hn_ why it says file doesnt exist while it does ?
16:50 ROllerozxa that's... not how you include files in minetest lua
16:50 hn_ (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
16:50 hn_ i took it from lua help page, not mt so should
16:50 hn_ (also)
16:51 hn_ i deal with it for over 1 month...
16:51 ROllerozxa you need to use dofile() with minetest.get_modpath
16:52 hn_ how ?
16:52 hn_ (now im dumb)
16:52 hn_ ( + need to rewrite 100 files)
16:54 ROllerozxa `dofile(minetest.get_modpath('minetest_os').."/root/etc/main.lua")`
16:54 hn_ two dots ?
16:54 ROllerozxa concatenation
16:54 hn_ ok
16:55 ROllerozxa if you have a lot of file includes you might want to write a helper function to make it less verbose
16:55 hn_ and now how to include in same directory? can use require ?
16:55 ROllerozxa still dofile
16:55 hn_ and what is a helper function ?
16:56 hn_ (im a noob now lol)
16:57 ROllerozxa small functions that helps you out, dunno how else to describe it
16:57 hn_ how to make? how it helps ?
16:57 hn_ o.O
16:59 hn_ for the now rrewriting files btw
17:00 hn_ also a next thing - cant it be boosted by lfs?
17:00 ROllerozxa what kind of lfs?
17:00 hn_ lua filesystem
17:00 hn_ addon
17:01 hn_ (require)
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17:02 hn_ so nooone?
17:03 ROllerozxa uh, minetest already provides I/O functions, or do you wonder if they are slower than lfs?
17:03 hn_ less typing
17:03 hn_ im not caring about speed
17:03 hn_ ;p
17:03 mrkubax10 ...
17:04 ROllerozxa are you kidding me
17:04 hn_ no
17:04 hn_ for the now thank god i didnt wrote it all i needed to change 25 line
17:05 hn_ sif i'd wrote all it and only saw this error i could have even 1000 lines to rewrite
17:05 hn_ so i very dont joke
17:11 ROllerozxa anyways so what's this minetest operating system project about?
17:12 hn_ mostly  "apps" in formspecs and binaries as commands in one of such app
17:12 hn_ + user management and custom home dirs... like for testing/learning purposes
17:13 hn_ and anyways - why minestest takes mod dir as this in .minetest not .var/.minetest ? having bugs again...
17:13 hn_ (installed fromflatpak)
17:13 hn_ and again 404 ...
17:15 hn_ oh, now know why error. nvm
17:15 hn_ (forgot slash)(
17:16 ROllerozxa when in doubt blame flatpak
17:17 hn_ no, now fine. it was mine error :'D
17:17 hn_ as i saaid - forgor slash...
17:17 hn_ but now having error with syntax? probly...
17:17 hn_ this : shell_commands.lua:3: ')' expected near 'do'
17:18 hn_ need to add semicolon like in bash or how ?
17:19 hn_ ?
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17:24 hn_ ded chat?
17:24 ROllerozxa my crystal ball is broken, could you perhaps link to the code
17:24 hn_ moment
17:25 hn_ this : https://termbin.com/dl2z
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17:27 hn_ and this error full : https://termbin.com/qoap
17:28 hn_ ROllerozxa ↑↑↑
17:28 ROllerozxa hmm, have you tested if it's a case of lua being picky and wanting a space between the closing paranthesis and 'do'?
17:29 hn_ was both with and wothout and still
17:29 MTDiscord <Warr1024> try having the same number of closing parens as you have opening ones
17:29 ROllerozxa oh whoops, didn't even notice that
17:30 hn_ no, now thrown no lib. probly fixed but gimme moment
17:30 ROllerozxa yeah you need another closing one, gotta have balance
17:30 ROllerozxa (I'm expecting a certain xkcd to be linked right about now)
17:31 hn_ no, not needed. now findong way to install lfs (changed OS'es in between)
17:35 MTDiscord <Warr1024> No need to link the xkcd, it's implied.
17:35 hn_ yes i also like this comic... no need to send
17:35 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Also, while the fortune cookie one is the nominal reference, bonus points for thinking of the one about LISP.
17:36 MTDiscord <Warr1024> the "weapons from a more civilized time" one, not the "hacked it together in perl" one
17:36 mrkubax10 did someone say ("lisp" "expression")?
17:36 mrkubax10 :D
17:37 hn_ anyways - why system throws that lua doesnt exist while i have it inMINETEST?
17:37 hn_ (installing package manager for it)
17:38 hn_ hlp
17:38 ROllerozxa flatpak includes lua statically linked with minetest right?
17:38 hn_ means ?
17:38 ROllerozxa or maybe you have luajit installed with your package manager
17:38 hn_ so how to install luarocks ? to install lfs ?
17:39 hn_ (yep started messing up)
17:39 mrkubax10 I would avoid using external libs when creating mods
17:39 hn_ its for github
17:40 hn_ ;)
17:40 ROllerozxa well it's like any other package isn't it, you are probably more knowledgeable about your own system's package manager than I am
17:40 ROllerozxa `(package manager install) luarocks` or something
17:40 hn_ synaptic worked
17:41 hn_ (like always)
17:41 mrkubax10 so it's not minetest mod?
17:41 hn_ it uses externals
17:41 hn_ but yes for mt
17:42 hn_ mt still doesnt see lfs...
17:42 hn_ geez
17:42 * ROllerozxa wonders what synaptic is
17:43 hn_ package manager? gui ? debian ?
17:43 hn_ no nothing u know ?
17:43 * mrkubax10 thinks that it's definitely not *system* package manager
17:43 hn_ at me it is
17:43 hn_ (i use solydx still lol )
17:43 hn_ (modded)
17:43 hn_ but anyways - why mt doesnt see ext libs ?
17:43 mrkubax10 s/package manager/package manager frontend/
17:44 ROllerozxa ah so a package manager GUI frontend. I thought it was like a package manager and wondered why I've never heard of it
17:44 hn_ bro
17:44 hn_ apt
17:44 hn_ but nvm why it still throws that lfs doesnt exist? installed...
17:45 ROllerozxa bro I'm mentally handicapped I use arch
17:45 hn_ btw ?
17:45 ROllerozxa not arch btw, just regular arch :P
17:45 hn_ ok
17:46 * mrkubax10 is not cool enough for arch
17:46 hn_ ?
17:46 hn_ talking as system ?
17:48 ROllerozxa anyways about lfs not existing, are you sure flatpak is able to access system packages like that? flatpak is the one that has sandboxing stuff right?
17:49 hn_ ye
17:49 hn_ but minetest which is in my apt is as outdated as it doesnt support current maps
17:49 hn_ and flatpak is global so....
17:51 MTDiscord <luatic> hn_: why should MT use LFS? It'd only be reasonable for exposure to the Lua API, and even then there would probably be security concerns.
17:54 hn_ iterating thru all folder and searching for files to instantly register as commands?
17:54 hn_ now u know?
17:54 hn_ hope
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18:02 ROllerozxa lol what if trucks in minetest
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18:10 definitelya trains even
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18:28 hn_ not transportaion mod ?
18:37 hn_ both trucks and trains... and airplane too =]
19:09 MTDiscord <GoodClover> farm machinery…
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19:24 MTDiscord <luatic> hn_: this is already possible using the APIs MT provides
19:24 MTDiscord <luatic> minetest.get_dir_list in particular
19:30 hn_ and what it does? (im still n00b. maybe tomorrow you have matrix? voice chat i ask)
19:30 rubenwardy it returns a list of files and dirs in a directory
19:30 hn_ ah, more like ls or tree
19:30 hn_ ?
19:33 aoki guys lets mine
19:33 hn_ ?
19:33 erle hn_, have you read the minetest book that rubenwardy wrote
19:33 aoki we need more mese
19:33 hn_ but i read it... few times, api.txt , wiki and dev wiki too...
19:34 erle aoki, make a mese messenger service mod with bright yellow mese postal boxes
19:34 erle every player gets a mese address!
19:34 MTDiscord <GoodClover> I wouldn't bother with either wiki, they're horribly outdated
19:34 hn_ ikr? i just said i read
19:34 aoki erle, is that a reference to mese meme origins?
19:37 hn_ hey, how dumb it could be if i'd connect minetest to fediverse? means - give players nicks like in fedi (@user@instacne/ip.com) , make a post app which could work like mastodon and make profiles (for server too) ?
19:38 erle aoki mese is hungarian for fairy tale!
19:38 erle hn_ why start with an @ in the username?
19:38 aoki hn_, would be really cool to use public keys for player auth
19:38 erle user @ server
19:39 hn_ like mail. fedi is like mail
19:39 aoki hn_, to prove authenticity, we can sign other player's signatures
19:39 hn_ and make accounts for mt (optoinal)
19:39 aoki can even have paid accounts, where you'd pay for signature
19:39 hn_ ye lol
19:39 erle emilia made an encrypted messenger CSM i think
19:39 aoki based
19:40 hn_ well... but its not a global tihngy communicating over http using masto
19:40 erle i look it up i hope i find it
19:40 hn_ ok
19:40 aoki is fediverse instant messaging?
19:40 hn_ no
19:40 hn_ and i know it
19:41 MTDiscord <GoodClover> fediverse is like FOSS Twitter
19:41 hn_ yep ans i use it
19:41 MTDiscord <GoodClover> (well, Mastodon specifically is)
19:41 aoki oh cool, tweet right from the mines
19:41 hn_ ye
19:41 hn_ or make chatcommand
19:42 erle aoki fediverse is a distributed meming/shitposting/flirting solution for anarchists, queers & fossbros
19:42 aoki great
19:42 aoki finally anarchists can flirt
19:43 hn_ im not too much (only linux)
19:43 MTDiscord <GoodClover> "fediverse" actually refers to the federated method of moderation/de-centralization, but usually it's used to refer to Mastodon
19:43 hn_ but i like it cuz got muted on twtt
19:44 rubenwardy GoodClover: Mastodon is part of the fediverse, but it's not the only app
19:44 erle did you ask for cracked minecraft or what
19:44 hn_ i know.
19:44 hn_ no i dont as for crack
19:44 rubenwardy Mastodon is really good, is has good UX and I've personally found it less toxic than Twitter
19:44 hn_ i talk about fedi
19:44 rubenwardy which is a surprise
19:44 hn_ yep. me too. and less addicting
19:44 erle it took twitter an attempt at insurrection to ban the annoying orange, so i think that getting banned there is an achievement.
19:44 MTDiscord <GoodClover> the UX depends on what interface you use 🤷 I use tusky personalyl
19:44 hn_ (cuz of it i use)
19:45 rubenwardy Well, I was referring to the official web interface. I use Tusky on Android
19:45 rubenwardy there's an official Mastodon app though
19:45 hn_ oh, me too. tusky. with custom tabs =]
19:45 hn_ (and on ios official)
19:45 hn_ ey. why there isnt mt for ios ? lol
19:45 rubenwardy was released recently, will probably take some time to mature
19:45 rubenwardy https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.joinmastodon.android
19:45 erle rubenwardy many interfaces still heavily use the social media dark patterns that drive addiction, like endless scrolling or notifications or showing your friends avatars next to their messages (which i think drives engagement?)
19:45 rubenwardy hn_: license issues
19:46 hn_ ah
19:46 MinetestBot [git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest: Update docs to reference CSS Color Module Level 3 583257f https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/583257f093b958be7e4e82803f53550e4a3beb8a (2022-04-21T19:45:20Z)
19:46 MinetestBot [git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest: Fix some debug info showing despite being disabled in the UI (#12205) 4558793 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/4558793caf48d63c74574ba740a96c92d0afcc2c (2022-04-21T19:45:47Z)
19:46 hn_ dumb apple :'D
19:46 rubenwardy see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12176#issuecomment-1090329805
19:47 hn_ last comment ?
19:48 hn_ altstore?
19:48 rubenwardy the comment I linked to, my one
19:48 hn_ saw saw
19:48 hn_ fine
19:48 hn_ (while having 2 jb ipads lol)
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19:57 hn_ (just asking, wont use this info) someone knows if minetest can be run on vr glasses? just asking if it looks okay cause 3d world should be very prepared for glasses i think :'D
19:57 rubenwardy there are rendering modes that allow you to view the world using VR headsets
19:58 rubenwardy but there's no integration with controllers or head movement
19:58 hn_ o.O thank. just had a thought. nvm
19:58 hn_ ah, ok
19:58 hn_ but why isnt. i think should be...
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19:59 hn_ and other question - you are on matrix? so i could join tmorrow? (finally bought wireless headphones lol, having some questions)
20:00 rubenwardy I am on matrix, but I'm not a huge fan of voice calls
20:01 hn_ ah
20:01 hn_ sad
20:01 hn_ thought that there is a global group
20:02 rubenwardy there's an official MT space
20:02 hn_ where ?
20:02 rubenwardy https://matrix.to/#/+minetest:tchncs.de
20:03 hn_ thk
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20:34 aoki has anyone tried using minetest with google cardboard?
20:36 aoki wait... there's side by side rendering mode
20:36 aoki hmm
20:37 aoki but does it support phone compas/accelerometer?
20:37 aoki that's pretty cool
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20:55 aoki hm, neither top-to-bottom and side-by-side 3d modes seem to work on andoroid
20:59 rubenwardy I have, when those 3d modes worked on android
20:59 rubenwardy but as said Minetest doesn't support VR controls such as head tracking (acc/gyros/compass)
21:11 MTDiscord <GoodClover> side-by-side works for me, but upside down and the GUI controls freak out
21:12 MTDiscord <GoodClover> flipped upside down, not rotated 180deg.
21:13 erle just rotate the phone lol
21:15 MTDiscord <GoodClover> but then everything's right-to-left
21:16 MTDiscord <GoodClover> How do side-by-side and crossview actually differ?
21:20 aoki btw do you know why media takes so long to load on android?
21:20 aoki I am trying version from google play. Version from FDroid seemed a lot faster to load
21:29 aoki all I see is black screen :/
21:30 aoki well anaglyph works on phone
21:30 aoki but side-by-side is black screen
21:31 rubenwardy slow loading is due to 64bit Android issues
21:31 aoki interesting
21:32 aoki cross eye view also shows pixelated mess instead of game
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