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01:37 MTDiscord <MisterE> //fixlight
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01:42 fluxionary Sokomine: the dots are entities from signs that were removed w/ worldedit
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01:43 MTDiscord <MisterE> Then place a sign there and then remove it. Alternatively, surround in worldedit and then //clearobjects
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01:44 fluxionary MisterE: the second solution is the standard one
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01:44 fluxionary it's hard to figure out that the dots are signs, when the sign doesn't have any text
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01:45 fluxionary wait soko already said that. ignore my comments
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02:22 Sokomine no problem :-) better twice said than forgotten
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06:41 lisbeths` how am I into a mod that a give me moar blocks types
06:53 lisbeths` I whant more blocks
06:54 lisbeths` add five texture packs into one super back of blocks
07:01 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> I assume you already have the moreblocks mod installed?
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08:22 erle well played ROllerozxa
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12:07 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I also don't understand why people are into that kind of thing.
12:10 Oblomov Warr1024: nobody is surprised by your lack of understanding, given that in nodecore you went the total opposite way
12:10 Oblomov however, some people like to have variety
12:11 Oblomov (sometimes purely for aesthetic reasons, admittedly)
12:12 MTDiscord <Warr1024> NodeCore definitely has added blocks, there's just a focus on substance over "same shit different texture" :-/
12:12 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Granted, I've felt dirty every time I've though about purely aesthetic additions so it's been hard adding them.
12:13 Oblomov yet you ultimately conceded with the flowers
12:13 MTDiscord <Warr1024> And etched concrete
12:13 Oblomov now make it possible to paint tarstones with them 8-D
12:13 Oblomov and allow etched concrete doors
12:13 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Amazing how cheap good gameplay stuff is, while pure aesthetics just chew up resources...
12:14 Oblomov this is partly the engine faults though
12:14 Oblomov because there's a limited ways in which one can implement variants
12:14 MTDiscord <Warr1024> MT is limited to 32767 nodes, so if I allow you to combine everything with everything, then you can only have 15 things.
12:14 Oblomov fwiw, I really appreciate your minimalism, though
12:15 Oblomov (I did say that the fault was partly with the engine)
12:18 aoki how hard can it be to extend the engine?
12:18 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Haha, that's how we all feel until we try it.
12:19 aoki I guess one problem would be that all those nodes need to be sent to client on connect
12:19 aoki and connection times are already huge if there are many mods
12:20 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> 64-bit limit for amount of nodes, that ought to be enough :D
12:20 MTDiscord <Jonathon> sub two minutes even with the most bloated game, when is still faster than a lot of other games
12:20 aoki Is there minetest engien hacking guide?
12:20 MTDiscord <Jonathon> rather than 64-bit limit, the ability to change existing nodes properties, like hardware coloring would be better
12:21 MTDiscord <Jonathon> just increasing the limit means someone makes dreambuilder*2
12:21 aoki yeah, why keep everything as 1 64-bit number when you can have a 64-bit array of 64-bit numbers
12:23 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Yeah, I keep forgetting that my minimalism pays out continuously, every time someone connects to the server.  I can't imagine how people routinely make games that are over 500x heavier...
12:23 MTDiscord <Jonathon> to be fair, at least dreambuilder, or should i say bloat builder does use a decent amount of hardware coloring
12:24 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> Aloha 🙂 My MT server just quit with "free(): invalid pointer" should I worry? 😄
12:26 MTDiscord <Warr1024> If it's reproducible or frequent, try to make a proper big report out of it.  If it happens super rarely, I'd just chalk it up to fat electrons; it might not be worth trying to chase down.
12:27 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> This fat electron occurred the first time. It's a 5.5.0 server with some people on it. dmesg doesn't know anything about it, neither does any log.
12:27 MTDiscord <Warr1024> The first crash is always "what was that? Oh well", the second one is "hmm, maybe I should set up a trap for this, and the third one is the one you actually catch 😄
12:29 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> Since it didn't even tell me what exactly it hit, I wouldn't know where to set up a tap. Anything I should do to make #2 a bit more enjoyable?
12:29 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2 -- Burned wood
12:29 MTDiscord <Warr1024> If you can't make it happen under controlled circumstances, then that means you would likely need to setup debugging traps in production, and those can be expensive in terms of resources, and/or can defeat mechanisms intended to keep the server up, e.g. if it drops to debugger on crash, so usually we only do that if we really need to
12:29 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> lololol, I didn't mean to point to bug number 2 -.-
12:30 MTDiscord <Jonathon> .#2
12:30 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2 -- Burned wood
12:30 MTDiscord <Jonathon> seems its dumb, pulls it out of strings, rather than it being the complete string
12:30 MTDiscord <Warr1024> If it hasn't crashed a second time yet then don't assume it will. Plenty of other bugs in the sea, after all, so you might never see this one again.
12:31 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> waves goodbye to the fat electron
12:31 MTDiscord <Warr1024> #II ... I doubt it supports roman numerals.
12:32 MTDiscord <Jonathon> #1️⃣  or emotes
12:32 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome
12:32 MTDiscord <Jonathon> oh it does
12:32 MTDiscord <Jonathon> interesting
12:32 Oblomov
12:33 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> #one ?
12:33 MTDiscord <Warr1024> #one
12:33 MTDiscord <Jonathon> thats odd, takes pound emote one, but not #one
12:34 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Someone probably oughta just fix that bot, maybe make it ignore issues with <4 digits, I mean, who even remembers those anymore to reference in the first place?
12:35 MTDiscord <Jonathon> or simply wrap to space#numberspace, not pulling it out of strings so you can just insert a character in front
12:35 MTDiscord <Bastrabun> One year after: "I found a bug in the bot! It doesn't point to bugs lower than 4! I tried all numbers between 1 and 10000"
12:35 MTDiscord <Jonathon> something erle would say tbh
12:35 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Can't try more than a handful without getting booted out for spam anyway
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12:36 MTDiscord <Warr1024> It is very distracting though.  Especially since a lot of the early issues are those dumb "hey another game I like has this recipe for charcoal so could you please add it" kind
12:37 settl3r[m] Is there an alternate way to grind coal in technic mod?
12:37 settl3r[m] {grinding coal lump} ->  coal dust -> carbon steel -> machine casing -> LV Grinder -> coal dust (!)  :(
12:37 settl3r[m] Or do i have to find needed resources in treasure chests or elsewhere?
12:37 settl3r[m] In its current state, it's a catch-22 ..
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12:42 settl3r[m] researching it turns out that one doesn't need carbon steel ingots to craft a machine casing but just cast iron ingots (?) (according to https://github.com/minetest-mods/technic/issues/474 )
12:42 settl3r[m] but in the server i'm in, the help say one needs carbon steel ingots, so the crafting guide is wrong there (?)
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13:03 tech_exorcist hello, is it possible to use the worldedit mod to dig (not replace with air) all or specific blocks in a region?
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13:37 erle Jonathon there is only a limited amount of integers that fits in IRC messages, so we can check them all
13:38 erle settl3r[m] as far as i am aware, some mod soups (mesecraft?) have bugs where the recipes for (carbon?) steel ingot components get claimed by several mods
13:39 erle i think minetest should at least warn in such circumstances
13:44 MTDiscord <luatic> that's because 1️⃣ is \49 (ASCII 1) followed by some unicode garbage; the bot matches by a #%d+ ish pattern
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13:59 sfan5 <Warr1024> If you can't make it happen under controlled circumstances, then that means you would likely need to setup debugging traps in production, and those can be expensive in terms of resources, and/or can defeat mechanisms intended to keep the server up, e.g. if it drops to debugger on crash, so usually we only do that if we really need to
13:59 sfan5 it's not hard to configure gdb to automatically dump a backtrace and quit
13:59 sfan5 you could then integrate that into whatever while-true-restart-server solution you have
14:00 erle tech_exorcist you can write a CSM to dig nodes if they are in range. that way you get the authentic “node dug by player” experience.
14:02 erle <Warr1024> Amazing how cheap good gameplay stuff is, while pure aesthetics just chew up resources...
14:02 erle this
14:02 erle 100% this
14:03 tech_exorcist erle: sorry, what's a CSM?
14:04 erle a client side mod
14:04 erle there is a client side modding section in the forums
14:04 tech_exorcist oh, I see, I'll take a look
14:04 tech_exorcist thanks
14:04 erle CSMs allow you to script actions. on vanilla minetest, this is limited by the server.
14:04 erle but if you have worldedit access, you *probably* have enough rights to change the server csm flags
14:05 erle which govern what you can do
14:05 sfan5 the CSM APIs in Minetest do not include a way to simulate digging a node from the client
14:05 erle oh, well, then it's cheat client time again
14:06 erle thanks for pointing it out, i am too spoiled ig
14:06 erle tech_exorcist this minetest cheat client is focused on building stuff, it has a library of CSMs to autodig and place structures (only if the player has the resources) https://repo.or.cz/waspsaliva.git
14:07 tech_exorcist I'm playing in local mode on my own machine, so it's not a problem
14:08 erle tech_exorcist yeah look at this then https://repo.or.cz/waspsaliva.git/blob/HEAD:/clientmods/autominer/init.lua
14:08 erle people use waspsaliva to dig very long tunnels on some servers
14:09 tech_exorcist I see
14:09 erle usually either 2 heigh 1 wide with active rails on the bottom
14:09 erle or 3x3 tunnels where the bottom is obsidian (so no one digs holes there easily)
14:10 * tech_exorcist tries to dig a 3x3 tunnel and put advtrains tracks in there
14:10 tech_exorcist and torches
14:10 erle if you go on a server and encounter a tunnel like that, it is most likely made automatically with one of these scripts
14:10 erle i can't find railbot right now
14:10 tech_exorcist I once dug a 3x3 tunnel manually
14:10 erle but you can ask cora about it
14:10 tech_exorcist lol
14:10 erle she has made the railbot script that she used to create the rail system on clamity (dead server) and oysterity (alive server)
14:10 erle maybe some other servers too
14:11 tech_exorcist nice
14:11 erle as you can see from the source, this digging script is a bit smarter than just using worldedit
14:11 erle as it considers lava sources and falling gravel and sand
14:12 erle tech_exorcist you can join oysterity server, there are rails at both spawn and netherspawn, going in x and z directions from about x=0,z=0 to the world border
14:13 tech_exorcist maybe I'll take a look later
14:13 tech_exorcist thanks for the help
14:13 erle if you want to know something about waspsaliva, ask cora. or fleckenstein.
14:13 erle they have done most of the work on it
14:15 erle tech_exorcist, be aware that this client does announce that you are using a cheat client when you join public servers, so do not do stuff like join CTF with it. you *will* be banned if you do.
14:15 erle however, if a server has “anarchy” or “chaos” in the name or description, its almost always allowed or even encouraged to use such a client.
14:16 tech_exorcist makes sense
14:17 erle oh btw
14:17 erle for a bit of fun
14:17 erle look at this https://repo.or.cz/waspsaliva.git/blob/HEAD:/clientmods/undying/init.lua
14:17 erle it abuses /sethome and autodigs your bones
14:17 erle so you “respawn” at the point you died
14:18 erle well, it autodigs someones bones lol
14:18 erle so don't die on a pile of bones
14:18 tech_exorcist I see
14:18 erle for schematic placement, look here https://repo.or.cz/waspsaliva.git/blob/HEAD:/clientmods/dragonfire/schematicas/init.lua
14:19 erle if you see heart shaped nether portals on a server, they were made with waspsaliva probably (i made a few by hand, cora leaves a lot of them around)
14:22 tech_exorcist it's nice to see that the MT community is so large and active
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15:02 hn so yes back with question - any cracky alternatives to bedrock and lunar? working on linux ofc...
15:08 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> once again, we won't help you pirate minecraft
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15:15 hn bro...
15:16 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> bro!
15:16 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> play minetest bro
15:16 hn bruv
15:16 hn * "tech exorcist left chat" ...
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15:20 hn anyways - so where i can get info about a mcde crack?
15:21 MTDiscord <Jordach> is working two hours mowing lawns or something below someone of your keyboard warrior status?
15:21 hn ?
15:21 mrkubax10 asking how to crack minecraft on #minetest lol
15:21 hn indeed
15:21 MTDiscord <Jordach> just do odd jobs MC is like $20
15:25 mrkubax10 depends in which country...
15:25 MTDiscord <Jordach> still plenty of ways
15:28 hn well... im saying about pirating, not to have it for "free" but as a reward. im asking for a truly pirate to test it... (ya dont have any links to libera channels? )
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15:31 mrkubax10 you can try to make hacked version of MultiMC: https://github.com/MultiMC/Launcher which doesn't require logging into Microsoft/Mojang account
15:32 hn thx <3
15:32 mrkubax10 requires C++ knowledge though
15:33 hn one time started but even tutorial borked... will be hard i think but ok :'D
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16:13 erle hn the closest you can get to “free minecraft” in minetest is by installing the game ”mineclone2” from the “online content” menu and installing the wither and copper and raw ores mods.
16:13 erle with relatively little effort
16:13 hn ikr?
16:14 hn but i dont like it
16:14 hn i stopped liking mt
16:14 erle alternatively, if you like more features and more bugs, try mineclone5. if you like less features and less bugs, try mineclonia.
16:14 hn searching for other thing which could be moddable
16:14 erle openttd
16:14 hn i know mc but paid
16:14 erle openrct
16:14 hn ?
16:15 erle hn do you like city building and transport company games? https://www.openttd.org/screenshots
16:15 erle it has a ton of mods
16:15 erle they are called “NewGRFs”
16:16 hn ah, these types... im searching for 3d world... with nodes/blocks or smth... not actual playable games...
16:16 hn and not mt
16:16 erle hn do you like round tactics games? https://www.wesnoth.org/
16:16 erle it has a ton of extensions and user submitted content
16:16 hn no
16:16 hn for wi=riting almost mine game, not only to mod..
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16:17 erle well why don't you just use minetest then to make your game?
16:17 hn 3d world... 100% ustomizable, like minecraft but not mt/mc
16:17 definitelya > hn: ...not actual playable games.
16:17 erle a lot of people have so
16:17 definitelya huh?
16:17 erle have done so
16:17 hn huh¿
16:17 definitelya >.>
16:17 erle minetest is an engine
16:17 hn im also searching for engine but NOT MINETEST
16:17 hn got out of it
16:18 erle why are you asking for NOT MINETEST though? and why are you asking for NOT MINETEST in #minetest?
16:18 hn have enough...
16:18 erle ask in #notminetest maybe? :D
16:18 hn doesnt exist
16:18 hn lol
16:18 erle what do you dislike about minetest
16:18 hn you
16:18 hn all
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16:18 mrkubax10 xd
16:18 hn + mtg
16:18 hn yk
16:19 erle hn look, everyone hates on minetest game
16:19 appguru hn: get out of here if all you came for is cracked, moddable MC
16:19 definitelya hn: bee nice.
16:19 erle it's just the default
16:19 hn means - good but doesnt have things i like... and im more like a person "will write everything"
16:19 mrkubax10 writing own voxel game is also option but long term one
16:19 hn ikr?
16:19 erle then start. there are people doing it.
16:19 erle crafter exists!
16:19 erle go play crafter
16:19 hn what is crafter?
16:19 appguru hehe
16:19 hn o.O
16:20 appguru Crafter is jordan4ibanez/oil_boi's project
16:20 erle https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Crafter
16:20 erle jordan had enough of the limitations of minetest engine
16:20 erle but instead of contributing
16:20 hn will check
16:20 erle he did his own thing
16:20 Oblomov hn: if you are interested in looking for well-designed alternatives to MTG still using the MT engine, you should look into nodecore
16:20 hn saw alread
16:20 hn y
16:20 erle hn, have you tried repixture?
16:20 hn got out of all mt so dont ask for it
16:21 erle btw i think repixture is a much better showcase game for minetest hehe
16:21 appguru then get outta here as well!
16:21 definitelya Oblomov: or XaEnvironment, it's pretty fun. Or others.
16:21 appguru otherwise you clearly did not get out of "all MT" if you're still active in #minetest
16:21 Oblomov definitelya:  I only talk about what I know  ;-)
16:21 hn im here cuz f irc
16:21 definitelya oh oks
16:21 appguru you're literally coming to #minetest to reject everything related to Minetest that is suggested to you
16:22 hn but thanks for alternative ;)
16:22 appguru You do realize Crafter probably isn't nearly mature enough yet?
16:22 hn saw its basic
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16:25 erle appguru yeah but if it is about game *development*, jordan plays it fast and loose
16:25 hn anyways - bye. still coding my own markup... :•|
16:25 ROllerozxa lol what is going on in here
16:27 mrkubax10 own Linux reimplementation when?
16:30 hn also thought about it
16:30 hn :•|
16:31 hn anyways - someone know how to make empty attributes in dtd file? (xml). wanted to achieve something like required fieldds in html...
16:32 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> make your own computer entirely from scratch, from the hardware to the software >:P
16:32 hn also thought. my own networking also. based on mesh
16:33 mrkubax10 it's still #minetest, maybe try asking in ##programming
16:33 hn ok, later.
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16:35 hn someone have mac adress as ip address? lol
16:36 mrkubax10 it's IPv6
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16:36 hn ah, ok
16:36 hn looked like mac
16:37 MTDiscord <ROllerozxa> anyways hn when do you think your minetest killer engine is going to be up to parity?
16:37 hn WHAT?
16:37 hn anyways - now focused on very other thihngy...
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17:38 robyn Hello
17:38 hacknorris =]
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18:05 hacknorris something empty here...
18:19 hacknorris dead chat
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18:24 ROllerozxa the chat is dead and you killed it
18:26 hacknorris me? how
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18:35 hacknorris lol. now hes not a hacker :'D
18:39 MTDiscord <Warr1024> We need a bot that auto-kicks people whenever they say "dead chat"
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18:51 hacknorris bro...
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