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kabou: Feb-07 08:18 UTC <sfan5> I know that 2.1.0-beta3 is fine, we also use it on Windows. but Arch straight up switched to the git version |
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kabou |
sfan5 sfan5 I built libluajit 2.1.0-beta3+git from latest commit |
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kabou |
then I rebuilt minetest 5.6-dev also latest commit |
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kabou |
no problems building, no compiler errors |
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kabou |
and it also runs just fine |
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kabou |
so I'm inclined to wonder if #12054 is not due to unrelated breakage in arch linux or rollerozxa 's tool chain |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12054 -- Minetest does not compile with LuaJIT v2.1 dev branch |
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kabou |
perhaps he uses an unorthodox compiler? |
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I built the above with gcc 10.2.1 |
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erlehmann |
what would be a better way of shading a HUD element in low light conditions than applying a texture modifier to the texture? https://mister-muffin.de/p/BtQS.jpg |
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erlehmann |
(the HUD element in question is the mcl_maps map – you may have noticed that i am improving mcl_maps recently) |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I dont see anything wrong with a texture modifier |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> erlehmann: if you really want it to adhere to the environment lighting, you might want to make it a first person attachment instead of a HUD element |
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erlehmann |
luatic wel |
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erlehmann |
l |
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erlehmann |
luatic but can i still draw the player marker on it like i do now? |
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erlehmann |
player location marker is a hud element |
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erlehmann |
i am not sure how well attachment location can be controlled |
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erlehmann |
i'll stay with the texture modifier though |
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erlehmann |
bc i might want to zoom the map later |
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erlehmann |
and i know how to scale up HUD elements, but not how to zoom into an attachment ^^ |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> you would have to draw the marker using a texture modifier xD |
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<luatic> so the best course of action is presumably indeed just going with a texture modifier |
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<fatalerror420> It can be controlled... how well it can be controlled tho? Well its up for debate |
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<fatalerror420> It can be controlled precisely, but very stupidly |
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erlehmann |
luatic i am already drawing the banner map markers with a texture modifier |
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independent56 |
Is there a mod which will automatically remove mapblocks which have not been modified? My map.sqlite keeps on getting bigger, and most of it is areas explored by noobs. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> See buckaroos tool, not sure if its db agnostic or not |
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BuckarooBanzai |
Independent56: i have a working nodejs tool for postgres maps and i considered redoing it in golang for sqlite and postgres |
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independent56 |
nice |
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BuckarooBanzai |
I'll ping you up if i need testers for the new version :D |
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independent56 |
I probably won't use it in production, but i can make a local copy of my world and try it. |
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independent56 |
Not until it gets eneough certification. |
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independent56 |
Oh also, minor flaw: https://buckaroobanzay.github.io/mtinfo/#/ Greengrocer's Apostrophie's. |
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independent56 |
Or maybe thats just the way of pluralising an acronym. I would use ABMs. |
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BuckarooBanzai |
But it works with actual nodename checks, not modified time: basically a nodename whitelist, everything else gets pruned around it. Also respects area protections in the current version |
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Pexin |
I had an instructor once who grilled us on the difference between an acronym and a simple abbreviation |
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BuckarooBanzai |
English isn't my first language, will fix it when i work on that next time |
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independent56 |
makes sense |
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BuckarooBanzai |
Pr's welcome btw ;) |
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Pexin |
laser (light amplification something something) was technically not an acronym, but "became" a word so retroactively is an acronym. or something. |
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Pexin |
english is a puke mess :] |
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independent56 |
I hate english too |
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independent56 |
https://buckaroobanzay.github.io/mtinfo/#/mods There is an emopty bullet point at the top |
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independent56 |
I hate english too |
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independent56 |
Sorry, i had a small keyboard error |
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independent56 |
i'm forced to speak it because of the world and because i am a native englishman |
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ghoti |
I regularly get server crashes because of an unhandled postgresql error in multicraft. Is this something I can reasonably ask about here? |
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rubenwardy |
we can't provide support for forks, as their code is quite different |
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BuckarooBanzai |
ghoti: i'm curious, why multicraft and not minetest? |
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ghoti |
BuckarooBanzai: better support for mobile clients, I'm told. |
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BuckarooBanzai |
Ah, for the old ones, ok :) |
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ghoti |
rubenwardy: would you happen to know if the postgres schema has changed in the predominant fork? I was under the impression that this was an area where the fork had not diverged much.. |
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ghoti |
At least, until recently. (And I'm running an older version.) |
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rubenwardy |
no idea |
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rubenwardy |
we have changed our code though |
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BuckarooBanzai |
The schema hasn't really changed fyi |
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rubenwardy |
In terms of a server, multicraft gets your support for v5 and v0.4, but doesn't improve mobile clients in any other way |
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ghoti |
Ah. So, 'duplicate key value violates unique constraint "auth_name_key"' is not something I should see in minetestserver? :) |
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BuckarooBanzai |
Heh, thats actually a race condition in the engine :) haven't seen that in a while... |
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rubenwardy |
supporting v0.4 is problematic as it greatly limits the features you can use |
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rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11877 |
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ghoti |
BuckarooBanzai: I have had 74 crashes due to this since the bgeginning of the year. |
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ghoti |
rubenwardy: thanks for the link, it is good to know I am not alone! I have also not been able to reproduce it .. yet it keeps happening. |
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BuckarooBanzai |
ghoti: this could be monkey-patched with an upsert instead of the insert. The root problem still persists though :/ |
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independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/Olhf1Gs |
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independent56 |
How do i make the face of this wall less bare? |
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sfan5 |
hang some paintings 8) |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> vary the materials, add some cutouts/inclusions, add another layer with some embellishments... |
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independent56 |
Can i have an example of another layer? |
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ghoti |
why not learn to love the moiré? |
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[git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest: Send HUD flags only if changed b9ee29a https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/b9ee29a9456a66c3670b2a1389878e0896395f58 (2022-02-08T18:28:32Z) |
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independent56 |
How does worldedit work on unloaded mapblocks? Does it try to load them, or build theblocks when the mapgen is finished, or does it place the blocks directly? |
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sfan5 |
when worldedit uses a voxel manip the engine will try to load blocks |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Gael-de-Sailly -> minetest/minetest: Noise params serialization fixup 0dd8e8c https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/0dd8e8c2427f12a8a7d080132e9c588c66baa41b (2022-02-08T18:30:49Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Update MinGW used by CI ce199d6 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/ce199d6f9e65d6ba51cbf2e1f948586ddc617317 (2022-02-08T18:31:24Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Remove awful Mingw32 workarounds ba6fbc4 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/ba6fbc417ecb812345c1747f42b6606dfc8e1d5b (2022-02-08T18:31:24Z) |
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ghoti |
BuckarooBanzai: sure, ON CONFLICT would surely help; it would be great for this to be the default, but then we'd have to *require* pg 9.5+ rather than just recommending it. |
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ghoti |
independent56: I was under the impression that asking worldedit to act on a block caused it to be loaded. (I have not checked.) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest: Increase max objects per block defaults (#12055) ad1da99 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/ad1da994b2b9d660c41f8ba784ff830aa2693d3b (2022-02-08T18:33:10Z) |
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independent56 |
I am thinking that, based on mapserver renders, worldedit places the blocks directly without waiting for stuff to load around it. |
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BuckarooBanzai |
ghoti: i suggest using a latest postgres version, there were a few performance- and index/space-improvements since <=9.5 :/ |
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BuckarooBanzai |
<=9.x is EOL anyway... |
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BuckarooBanzai |
independent56: WE uses vmanip to place the blocks, if the area isn't generated it will stay that way, you may have to emerge the area beforehand |
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independent56 |
Does that mean that it places after or before the blocks are loaded? |
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sfan5 |
so has nobody found out how duplicate users entries make their way into the db? |
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sfan5 |
are the entries actually different? |
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ghoti |
BuckarooBanzai: not worried for myself, I have 11.14 on one server, 12.7 on another. Personally, I think the minimum supported version of postgres should be no less than what is supported by the postgres project, which I believe is currently 10. |
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BuckarooBanzai |
sfan5: the entries are the same, not sure what causes is initially, but it was something with the network-thread afaik |
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sfan5 |
do we not use transactions? |
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BuckarooBanzai |
i don't think so |
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ghoti |
sfan5: no, the question is WJU do we not use transactions? |
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ghoti |
I have wondered this for a while. |
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ghoti |
I think it is because the pg stuff was added to replace functionality of sqlite3, which does not have transactions. |
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BuckarooBanzai |
oh wait, i think there _is_ a transaction in the map saving process... |
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ghoti |
s/JU/HY/ |
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sfan5 |
sqlite3 has transactions |
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sfan5 |
or it would not be functioning database |
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sfan5 |
BuckarooBanzai: MT's db stuff pretty much always uses transaction so that'd be a big oversight if the pg auth database does not |
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ghoti |
Hmm. I was pretty sure sqlite3 did not have 'BEGIN' and 'COMMIT', but it seems they do. My mistake. |
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BuckarooBanzai |
still, if you insert the same data twice (in the auth case) a transaction won't help you |
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ghoti |
No, for that one needs error checking. Or more resilient SQL. :) |
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BuckarooBanzai |
old issue with an sqlite auth-conflict error: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9498 it's been some time since i've debugged this but i think there was a network-thread that kicked off the auth-insert, which races with the sync (globalstep) insert afaik |
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Pexin |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
No title found. |
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sfan5 |
"UNIQUE constraint failed in sqlite3-auth database · Issue #9498 · minetest/minetest" |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9498 -- UNIQUE constraint failed in sqlite3-auth database |
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sfan5 |
should probably fix that some day |
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BuckarooBanzai |
no rush, there are a few workarounds and it looks like only a handful of server-operators have that problem :) |
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sfan5 |
the !title command I meant |
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BuckarooBanzai |
ah :P |
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ghoti |
BuckarooBanzai: any idea what it is that distinguishes those of us to tickle that race condition? Is there a quick workaround that does *not* require compiling? |
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BuckarooBanzai |
not sure, sorry, if you find it out please share though |
| 18:59 |
BuckarooBanzai |
the workaround does require re-compiling :) |
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sfan5 |
if I am reading the code right this issue is exclusive to servers that have a default password |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ive seen it in servers that dont |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> and fairly sure https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11877 server yourland doesnt have a default password |
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mrkubax10 |
Could someone look at minetest_game #2926? |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2926 -- Flying dungeons |
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mrkubax10 |
ah it should be without space |
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sfan5 |
how does that default password stuff work anyway |
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sfan5 |
what do players have set as password when they register? |
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erlehmann |
thanks to whoever implemented the “opaque leaves” setting. for some forests, it can be the difference between 25fps and unplayable. |
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sfan5 |
BuckarooBanzai: what would help is more logging to find out which createAuth call it was |
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sfan5 |
since there's no stacktrace it will be one of the two from C++ |
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sfan5 |
both of those cannot be triggered but there's one that could potentially be triggered twice to cause that error |
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sfan5 |
but that'd be a client doing that on purpose, this can't happen accidentally |
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independent56 |
Finally, my server has attracted two regulars |
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independent56 |
yay! |
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independent56 |
There seem to be three types of player: Those who do not speak my langauge, those who are noobs, and those who just want to play on a server and socialize |
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independent56 |
And the rgulars are always the last |
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mmuller |
independent56: out of curiosity, how long were you running it before you developed regulars? |
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independent56 |
I began at 21-06, and at 21-01 began the first regulars |
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independent56 |
Is this slow or average development? |
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independent56 |
*22-01 |
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mmuller |
oh I have no idea :-) yours is the first datapoint I've heard. |
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mmuller |
but thank you for sharing. |
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independent56 |
So overall, that's around 6 months |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> That sounds like about my experience running a server. Anecdotally I've heard that "a few months" is about how long to expect, and what evidence I've seen backs that up. |
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independent56 |
Nice |
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independent56 |
I can't wait until more players come until my server is on the level of others |
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independent56 |
Since i've built an average of one town a month, players keep on having more to come back to |
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independent56 |
Is doing frequent small talk with regulars the best way to keep retention? |
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definitelya |
Depends if they like small- talk, I suppose? |
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independent56 |
Hmm |
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independent56 |
How do i shorten sapling growth time on servers with time which follows real-world time? |
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independent56 |
I'm getting reports from aplayer on my server |
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MTDiscord |
<j45> The best way to get players is just to have something unique and fun about your server(s) |
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MTDiscord |
<j45> Im just pointing out the obvious tho lmoa |
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MTDiscord |
<j45> *lmao |
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Pexin |
dailies + multiple abstracted layers of ingame currencies supported by nonrefundable microtransactions |
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Pexin |
a proven winner |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> a disgusting winner |
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erlehmann |
non-fungible nodes |
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erlehmann |
(can't be placed or given to other players) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Fix overflowing multiplication leading to apparent hang ba4d2c8 https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/commit/ba4d2c8c9e48dae84674c79cd9e445e0d07783f8 (2022-02-08T22:35:23Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Inherit custom exceptions from std::exception 7da64ea https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/commit/7da64ea1af50eae5329769cb875b55145f8bcfe3 (2022-02-08T22:39:03Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Fix overflowing multiplication leading to apparent hang 8e9805c https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/commit/8e9805c3fffd3ca83c98856894da41b7cfcdd2d3 (2022-02-08T22:43:20Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Inherit custom exceptions from std::exception 2e35331 https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/commit/2e353312b5ce27d85a28dd4c8ff9e561cdc6d1ec (2022-02-08T22:43:20Z) |
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