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<Warr1024> Pretend I'm Larry Tessler and sell it to me :-) |
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<exe_virus> Imo, the best way to make screwdriver more efficient is to use node_replacer from replacer mod. Copying the node and* it's param2 is the bees knees and saves hours when working with more locks circular saw nodes |
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MagmaMac |
Hi there, I was just wondering if there was a way to make clickable elements inside tables (or an alternative solution not using tables). I have a list of objects containing images and text that I would like to display scrollable with a scroll bar in a fixed sized formspec. If anyone could share their experiences of doing something similiar that |
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MagmaMac |
would also be appreciated. Thanks! |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Update dependency list in README 9b26d94 https://git.io/Jy8sd (2021-12-27T12:19:12Z) |
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celeron55 |
"...and you have only 11 minutes to answer!" |
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celeron55 |
(*looks at ping timeout value* actually, 7 minutes) |
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Sokomine |
exe_virus: i've updated the screwdriver some time ago so that it works better when flying, saves a history and can be set to keep the shape and orientation while replacing the material (or vice versa) |
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Sokomine |
yes, some people are sadly a bit impatient. or he had a very unstable line? |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> The screwdriver keeps shape and orientation?? Or you mean replacer? |
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Sokomine |
exe_virus: yes, ups, meant my replacer |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Now this is funny |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I have shift + druck configured in my desktop environment as shortcut for selection a screen area for screenshot |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> when I do this with Minetest, Minetest registers the shift, but doesn't register the release of shift; I have to press shift again to stop me going downwards |
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f-a |
hello friendly folks |
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f-a |
I have installed minetest from Debian 11 repos |
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f-a |
now I want to play this https://content.minetest.net/packages/yaman/alter/ |
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f-a |
what do I have to do? |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> you'll need to get a newer version of minetest |
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f-a |
excellent |
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Krock |
hmm? I wonder where it would need newer features |
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Krock |
formspec ones? |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Probably doesn't require it honestly, but definitely upgrade your minetest version |
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f-a |
if it does not need it, then I would rather pick the one from my repos |
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f-a |
that should be common knowledge to devs :P not doing apt-get is pain :P |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> using debian is pain though so there's that |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> to bad the ppt got shut down |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> too* |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> ppa* |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> wait it got shut down? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> well, it doesn't get updates AFAIK |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> at least the minetestdevs nightly one |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> oh |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> well the minetest stable PPA is up to date at least |
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f-a |
I am make -j$(nproc) right now |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds this one |
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f-a |
what do I need to invoke once finished? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> ./bin/minetest usually |
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f-a |
to play this, lunatic https://content.minetest.net/packages/yaman/alter/ |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> still ./bin/minetest |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> you just install it from the content tab |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> then you select it in the menu bar |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> go to the content tab, do browse online content and search for it there |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> then you create a world and join it |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> and then you start playing! |
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Krock |
or git clone into ~/.minetest/games |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> It depends, I suppose |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> if you want to play it, do what Krock said |
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sfan5 |
maybe we should be directing people to the appimage or snap instead of letting them compile stuff |
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f-a |
I purposely eschewed appimage/snap |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> if you want to play it and plan on leaving a game-jam-related review, you should install it from CDB |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> both are bloat |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> hmm wait |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> the commits from GH have been released to CDB too |
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Sokomine |
sfan5: snap is evil |
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Sokomine |
f-a: most of us here are more involved with the game and love playing the latest version. debians' is - as with most things - a bit older. the best way might be to compile mt for yourself as krock suggested |
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Krock |
I did not suggest to compile it yourself |
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Krock |
5.3.0 is still okay-ish for most stuff |
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Sokomine |
oh. sorry |
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Sokomine |
yet...having latest git is so nice |
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sfan5 |
Sokomine: I know people have opinions on those things but most users just care about getting stuff working |
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Sokomine |
sfan5: probably, yes... |
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sfan5 |
and unfortunately installing the distro package often does not "get it working" because you end up with an older version |
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Sokomine |
sfan5: i started disliking snap when it thought it could update itself. it was the wrong time. i needed the bandwith. and i didn't need snap updates at the time. even killing the thing didn't work. of course there are ways to still stop it, but... |
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f-a |
this alter thing is pretty good btw |
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* Sokomine |
stares at an uncoopreative npc |
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Sokomine |
f-a: good to hear. i havn't checked it out yet. currently working on a mod |
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f-a |
can someone give me a tl;dr on controls? wasd + mouse? |
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f-a |
I frigging have a trackpad and hate to click |
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Sokomine |
it works quite well with a trackpoint if you're lucky enough to have one |
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Sokomine |
there's a lot of clicking involved in gameplay. perhaps an external mouse might be best? |
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f-a |
I had it on my x60s but not here |
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f-a |
yeah might do |
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Krock |
Priority N°1 when modifying your Minetest client: https://pastebin.com/raw/cVmF5aPZ |
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sfan5 |
MTG should grant it by default |
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sfan5 |
only hard part is migration code that grants it to everyone |
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Krock |
it's not granted by default, no. |
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sfan5 |
but it should be |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> linux distros: we have package managers that make getting software nice easy and secure reality: outdated packages (majority of distros) unless you running rolling release distros and is a hassle to track down latest of packages |
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f-a |
as a user, for 95% of software I do not care about outdateness |
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f-a |
I am pretty happy for it not to change it under my feet |
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f-a |
there are alas some exceptions |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> it is pretty frustrating if your distro makes you jump through hoops to get the latest version of a package; it should always be a simple option |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> exactly |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> for like 70 percent of software i use, as long as its within a few versions who cares, but when i need/want the latest it shouldnt be such a pain to do so |
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f-a |
security considerations trumps that, imho |
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f-a |
(as you might have guessed right now, I use Debian stable) |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> debains middle name is outdate as heck software |
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celeron55 |
if you're talking about debian, testing of packages is done by users of the... testing version of the distro |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> . s/debain/debian |
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f-a |
I mean, I do not want to convince anyone, just to provide a data point |
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celeron55 |
5.4 is on testing |
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celeron55 |
i guess the thing about distros is that they can't trust anyone and have to test by themselves |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you shouldnt need to run a testing version of the distro just to get update to date packages |
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celeron55 |
and they have limited resources |
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celeron55 |
minetest doesn't publish a debian package that would have any warranty to suit the debian guidelines |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> frankly, who cares, just dont make it especially a pita for users to get latest release if they desire |
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celeron55 |
thus the debian project has to test and possibly modify each version to suit them |
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celeron55 |
and it all takes time |
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celeron55 |
the same thing goes for all other distros, each on their own |
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f-a |
it is unfortunately a common pain point (distros vs. devs) |
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celeron55 |
small to medium sized upstream projects rarely are willing to support distributions on such a level that they would get their packages right in at release |
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f-a |
and I don’t see any Columbus’ egg in sight |
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celeron55 |
having quality control comes at a cost, and usually the cost is seen as a delay in software versions |
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f-a |
yeah |
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celeron55 |
the reason why people use debian is that it has quality control and you can be pretty sure it'll work perfectly every time as long as you're not doing anything too special |
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celeron55 |
personally i think stuff like snap and flatpak fill the niche of needing the absolute newest version of a program just fine |
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celeron55 |
altough it is lazy for projects to make compilation so difficult that you can't do it yourself in a hurry |
