Time Nick Message 01:01 MTDiscord Pretend I'm Larry Tessler and sell it to me :-) 06:14 MTDiscord Imo, the best way to make screwdriver more efficient is to use node_replacer from replacer mod. Copying the node and* it's param2 is the bees knees and saves hours when working with more locks circular saw nodes 12:05 MagmaMac Hi there, I was just wondering if there was a way to make clickable elements inside tables (or an alternative solution not using tables). I have a list of objects containing images and text that I would like to display scrollable with a scroll bar in a fixed sized formspec. If anyone could share their experiences of doing something similiar that 12:05 MagmaMac would also be appreciated. Thanks! 12:21 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetestmapper: Update dependency list in README 139b26d94 https://git.io/Jy8sd (152021-12-27T12:19:12Z) 13:17 celeron55 "...and you have only 11 minutes to answer!" 13:17 celeron55 (*looks at ping timeout value* actually, 7 minutes) 15:16 Sokomine exe_virus: i've updated the screwdriver some time ago so that it works better when flying, saves a history and can be set to keep the shape and orientation while replacing the material (or vice versa) 15:18 Sokomine yes, some people are sadly a bit impatient. or he had a very unstable line? 15:29 MTDiscord The screwdriver keeps shape and orientation?? Or you mean replacer? 18:13 Sokomine exe_virus: yes, ups, meant my replacer 18:15 MTDiscord Now this is funny 18:15 MTDiscord I have shift + druck configured in my desktop environment as shortcut for selection a screen area for screenshot 18:16 MTDiscord when I do this with Minetest, Minetest registers the shift, but doesn't register the release of shift; I have to press shift again to stop me going downwards 18:27 f-a hello friendly folks 18:27 f-a I have installed minetest from Debian 11 repos 18:27 f-a now I want to play this https://content.minetest.net/packages/yaman/alter/ 18:27 f-a what do I have to do? 18:28 MTDiscord you'll need to get a newer version of minetest 18:30 f-a excellent 18:41 Krock hmm? I wonder where it would need newer features 18:41 Krock formspec ones? 18:48 MTDiscord Probably doesn't require it honestly, but definitely upgrade your minetest version 18:49 f-a if it does not need it, then I would rather pick the one from my repos 18:49 f-a that should be common knowledge to devs :P not doing apt-get is pain :P 18:50 MTDiscord using debian is pain though so there's that 18:50 MTDiscord to bad the ppt got shut down 18:50 MTDiscord too* 18:50 MTDiscord ppa* 18:50 MTDiscord wait it got shut down? 18:50 MTDiscord well, it doesn't get updates AFAIK 18:51 MTDiscord at least the minetestdevs nightly one 18:51 MTDiscord oh 18:51 MTDiscord well the minetest stable PPA is up to date at least 18:51 f-a I am make -j$(nproc) right now 18:51 MTDiscord https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds this one 18:51 f-a what do I need to invoke once finished? 18:51 MTDiscord ./bin/minetest usually 18:52 f-a to play this, lunatic https://content.minetest.net/packages/yaman/alter/ 18:52 MTDiscord still ./bin/minetest 18:52 MTDiscord you just install it from the content tab 18:52 MTDiscord then you select it in the menu bar 18:52 MTDiscord go to the content tab, do browse online content and search for it there 18:52 MTDiscord then you create a world and join it 18:52 MTDiscord and then you start playing! 18:52 Krock or git clone into ~/.minetest/games 18:53 MTDiscord It depends, I suppose 18:53 MTDiscord if you want to play it, do what Krock said 18:53 sfan5 maybe we should be directing people to the appimage or snap instead of letting them compile stuff 18:54 f-a I purposely eschewed appimage/snap 18:54 MTDiscord if you want to play it and plan on leaving a game-jam-related review, you should install it from CDB 18:54 MTDiscord both are bloat 18:55 MTDiscord hmm wait 18:55 MTDiscord the commits from GH have been released to CDB too 19:55 Sokomine sfan5: snap is evil 19:56 Sokomine f-a: most of us here are more involved with the game and love playing the latest version. debians' is - as with most things - a bit older. the best way might be to compile mt for yourself as krock suggested 19:56 Krock I did not suggest to compile it yourself 19:57 Krock 5.3.0 is still okay-ish for most stuff 19:57 Sokomine oh. sorry 19:57 Sokomine yet...having latest git is so nice 19:57 sfan5 Sokomine: I know people have opinions on those things but most users just care about getting stuff working 19:57 Sokomine sfan5: probably, yes... 19:57 sfan5 and unfortunately installing the distro package often does not "get it working" because you end up with an older version 19:58 Sokomine sfan5: i started disliking snap when it thought it could update itself. it was the wrong time. i needed the bandwith. and i didn't need snap updates at the time. even killing the thing didn't work. of course there are ways to still stop it, but... 20:01 f-a this alter thing is pretty good btw 20:01 * Sokomine stares at an uncoopreative npc 20:02 Sokomine f-a: good to hear. i havn't checked it out yet. currently working on a mod 20:02 f-a can someone give me a tl;dr on controls? wasd + mouse? 20:02 f-a I frigging have a trackpad and hate to click 20:03 Sokomine it works quite well with a trackpoint if you're lucky enough to have one 20:04 Sokomine there's a lot of clicking involved in gameplay. perhaps an external mouse might be best? 20:04 f-a I had it on my x60s but not here 20:04 f-a yeah might do 21:49 Krock Priority N°1 when modifying your Minetest client: https://pastebin.com/raw/cVmF5aPZ 21:50 sfan5 MTG should grant it by default 21:50 sfan5 only hard part is migration code that grants it to everyone 21:51 Krock it's not granted by default, no. 21:52 sfan5 but it should be 23:23 MTDiscord linux distros: we have package managers that make getting software nice easy and secure reality: outdated packages (majority of distros) unless you running rolling release distros and is a hassle to track down latest of packages 23:24 f-a as a user, for 95% of software I do not care about outdateness 23:25 f-a I am pretty happy for it not to change it under my feet 23:25 f-a there are alas some exceptions 23:25 MTDiscord it is pretty frustrating if your distro makes you jump through hoops to get the latest version of a package; it should always be a simple option 23:25 MTDiscord exactly 23:26 MTDiscord for like 70 percent of software i use, as long as its within a few versions who cares, but when i need/want the latest it shouldnt be such a pain to do so 23:28 f-a security considerations trumps that, imho 23:28 f-a (as you might have guessed right now, I use Debian stable) 23:28 MTDiscord debains middle name is outdate as heck software 23:28 celeron55 if you're talking about debian, testing of packages is done by users of the... testing version of the distro 23:28 MTDiscord . s/debain/debian 23:29 f-a I mean, I do not want to convince anyone, just to provide a data point 23:29 celeron55 5.4 is on testing 23:31 celeron55 i guess the thing about distros is that they can't trust anyone and have to test by themselves 23:31 MTDiscord you shouldnt need to run a testing version of the distro just to get update to date packages 23:31 celeron55 and they have limited resources 23:32 celeron55 minetest doesn't publish a debian package that would have any warranty to suit the debian guidelines 23:32 MTDiscord frankly, who cares, just dont make it especially a pita for users to get latest release if they desire 23:32 celeron55 thus the debian project has to test and possibly modify each version to suit them 23:32 celeron55 and it all takes time 23:32 celeron55 the same thing goes for all other distros, each on their own 23:33 f-a it is unfortunately a common pain point (distros vs. devs) 23:33 celeron55 small to medium sized upstream projects rarely are willing to support distributions on such a level that they would get their packages right in at release 23:34 f-a and I don’t see any Columbus’ egg in sight 23:39 celeron55 having quality control comes at a cost, and usually the cost is seen as a delay in software versions 23:39 f-a yeah 23:40 celeron55 the reason why people use debian is that it has quality control and you can be pretty sure it'll work perfectly every time as long as you're not doing anything too special 23:42 celeron55 personally i think stuff like snap and flatpak fill the niche of needing the absolute newest version of a program just fine 23:42 celeron55 altough it is lazy for projects to make compilation so difficult that you can't do it yourself in a hurry