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02:40 erlehmann i am fully aware this is corporate propaganda, but it might work for minetest too? https://blogs.oracle.com/developers/how-to-set-up-and-run-a-really-powerful-free-minecraft-server-in-the-cloud#sign-up-for-an-always-free-account
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03:02 MTDiscord <exe_virus> Wow, that's not going to be abused ;)
03:13 [0] AWS and GCP also have free tiers, but Oracle's free tier is especially generous.
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04:40 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> I know the core devs are probably overwhelmed, so I'm sorry, but I want to request a review of pull request https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/11202. I haven't heard any feedback on it for just over a month. Would have posted this in the #engine channel, but wasn't sure if there were any core devs that don't use Discord.
04:46 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Probably should have said that in #minetest-dev-irc.
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04:52 [0] notanewbie: PM an op once you've fixed your connection.
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05:49 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Just learned that my PR doesn't work on Android. 🙄
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08:05 independent56 ugh
08:05 independent56 minetestmapper wont work
08:05 independent56 https://pastebin.com/xVg4MDh6
08:06 independent56 with colours.txt, it wont parse properly
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08:23 MTDiscord <y5nw> colors.txt
08:34 basxto was the freenode channel deleted and restored?
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09:40 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Use safe_file_write to save forceloaded blocks 1bc753f https://git.io/JGCzo (2021-05-30T09:40:14Z)
09:40 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Fix procession ordering issue in content_cao f30dcdb https://git.io/JGCzK (2021-05-30T09:40:14Z)
09:40 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Remove unused version detection from FindLuaJIT.cmake 2c53f03 https://git.io/JGCz6 (2021-05-30T09:40:14Z)
09:40 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Fix background color of formspec text fields 758e3aa https://git.io/JGCzi (2021-05-30T09:40:14Z)
09:40 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: script: Replace calls to depreated luaL_openlib a0047d6 https://git.io/JGCzP (2021-05-30T09:40:14Z)
09:40 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Provide exact error message if postgres connection string missing a12017c https://git.io/JGCzX (2021-05-30T09:40:14Z)
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10:17 independent56 NO GREIFING (grieving about griefing is allowed, but not greifing about grieving)
10:17 independent56 i like this rule i wrote
10:18 independent56 a bit ambiguosu, but meh
10:21 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Am I correct in that the Android UI is completely separate from the desktop UI? The changes in PR ( https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/11202 ) are not applied to the Android client.
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10:31 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> That can't be right. The client's UI is defined in the built-in Lua scripts.
10:33 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Oh! I think I just realized why it's not showing up. Installing a new APK must not overwrite/update the "Minetest" directory.
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10:44 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Confirmed, that is what the problem is.
10:45 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Not sure if this is an issue only because I was using a packed with a different signature.
10:45 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> *package
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13:17 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Does that mean that every time I upgrade the client on Android, I need to delete data/cache so that the "Minetest" directory files are updated?
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13:19 sfan5 that should happen automatically
13:20 CWz_ Did freenode really try to delete the minetest channel?
13:21 sfan5 no
13:41 VanessaE but they have been taking-over other projects' channels, which is what matters
13:41 VanessaE Minetest is small potatoes compared to some others :P
13:45 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> @sfan5 That was not the case when I installed my custom build. Perhaps that has something to do with the signature being different?
13:47 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> I'm wondering if this is actually related: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11299
13:50 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> It seems the client relies on the cached data to determine of the "Minetest" directory is intact & up-to-date. But it does not appear that the cached data is updated with the app (unless, as I said before, it was due to the signature of my package being different).
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14:02 definitely_a I am curious, what do the core devs think about ShadMOrdre's GAL game? Is it a possible substitute for MTG? I saw it on the forum and it looked like it could use some contributors. ;)
14:03 definitely_a I also loaded it and it seemed like I had frozen time and space, weirdest experience since it's so unpolished.
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14:07 sfan5 neard heard of it myself
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14:10 definitely_a I see, ye just asking lol! I'm always on the lookout for breakthroughs on the MTG case.
14:11 river yo
14:11 river show me your machines please
14:11 river want to see cool examples of automation
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14:14 calcul0n_ you should go on servers with tech mods and ask people there
14:14 calcul0n_ i'd suggest pandorabox
14:20 rubenwardy GAL looks a kitchen sink of mods, it doesn't feel very well mamed
14:20 rubenwardy For one, it's not a library
14:24 definitely_a indeed, he said it's like a game abstraction layer for programmers. I then thought he just created a sandbox for coders, which sounded useful. dunno really
14:36 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I don't think we need a new MTG as much as we need more high quality libraries to make game-dev easier.
14:39 definitely_a Ok thanks for the quick replies!
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17:35 independent56 im wondering... if i make a fork of minetest with the only difference being adverts, will i be shunned?
17:36 river i hate adverts
17:39 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Most likely yes, most people hate ads to begin with and making a money-grabbing fork is especially frowned upon in open source communities.
17:40 river weirdly, fdroid seems ok with them
17:42 sfan5 independent56: by whom?
17:42 independent56 by the community majority
17:47 calcul0n_ so it's not "most likely", it's a big yes :p
17:49 independent56 0_0
17:49 independent56 i guess i ebtter delete that repo
17:51 independent56 (/j)
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18:24 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Add core.compare_block_status function (#11247) c9144ae https://git.io/JGlep (2021-05-30T18:24:12Z)
18:24 MinetestBot [git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest: Fix base64 validation and add unittests (#10515) 89f3991 https://git.io/JGleh (2021-05-30T18:23:12Z)
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18:40 independent56 what are the advtrains demo signals for?
18:41 MTDiscord <y5nw> I suppose for testing
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18:43 MTDiscord <y5nw> There was a "7" texture in the Ks signal mod, so I supposed orwell wanted to make Ks signals more than something with only four aspects, except that has not really happened for a few years
18:47 independent56 hmm.... can i use them for my lines?
18:48 independent56 would they be allowed on LF as signals on mainlines?
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19:06 MTDiscord <y5nw> I would personally not use them. After all they are demo signals
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19:17 independent56 i would use them on testtracks, those long worldedit lines, designed to test trains
19:17 MTDiscord <y5nw> ... except I'm also testing Ks signals
19:18 independent56 speaking of worldedit, why is it when i do "//set advtrains:dtrack_st", then fix the rotation with "//param2 3", why is i that sometimes they nap back to param2 0?
19:20 MTDiscord <y5nw> Have you tried /at_sync_ndb afterward?
19:21 independent56 hmm...
19:21 independent56 oh my god.... thank you so much!
19:21 independent56 now i am not being punished for worldedit!
19:27 independent56 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826159362225209406/848643701748006932/Screenshot_from_2021-05-30_20-24-43.png
19:27 independent56 my train always stops here
19:27 independent56 but it can go up the slope perfectly
19:36 MTDiscord <y5nw> independent56: in case you are curious why I'm testing Ks signals: https://vimeo.com/556930062
19:38 independent56 oh my god... germany is really taking over advtrains... but idc!
19:38 independent56 i put the wikipedia page for the german signals on my kindle. and wow! i love them!
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21:50 independent56 what does mud reflow mean?
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21:54 independent56 . A simple mud flow algorithm smoothens out dirt / dirt with grass hills
21:54 independent56 sorry
21:54 independent56 ddg ismy only friend
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22:14 Sven_vB hi :) does the MineTest v5.4.1 client support UTF-8 in chat?
22:15 Sven_vB also I cannot use UTF-8 emoji on signs, is it the signs mod's fault or a problem with MT the engine?
22:16 Sven_vB they become \uHHHH
22:21 entuland in theory they should work, probably it's some codepoint that the font doesn't cover?
22:22 entuland I googled and I found a few discussions on github mentioning that UTF-8 should be supported
22:22 entuland or at least, most of the issues that were there should have been addressed
22:25 Sven_vB then it's probably converting at the clipboard paste stage
22:25 Sven_vB thanks!
22:28 entuland uhm... I'm not sure all the codepoints are supported
22:28 entuland I'm doing some testing
22:31 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> I have another question: The Android client build from development (master) branch can access ContentDB. But why can a desktop build not do the same?
22:33 entuland nope, can't get the chat to use the fonts I pick in the settings
22:33 entuland the chat seems to use a font for which there is no setting able to alter it, not sure whether it's possible to change it at all
22:34 entuland tried replacing all the fonts with Unifont (and the Upper variant as fallback), but pasting emojis or, say, russian, comes up as question marks
22:36 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Oh, nevermind. I was wrong. For some reason it wasn't working for one of my builds. But it is working now.
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22:44 entuland okay, something funky is happening for sure - here is what I typed in the texbox and it works: https://i.imgur.com/ijtF4St.png
22:45 entuland but if I copy that text from there and I paste it back, this is what I get: https://i.imgur.com/vU7hwcD.png
22:48 entuland if I send a message with russian from a mod, the chat prints it properly: https://i.imgur.com/5oJhZ1p.png
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22:49 entuland well, not _all_ gets through properly, what I had my mod print was "русский 😃"
22:49 entuland the smiley got lost in the chat
22:50 entuland even though I set all my fonts to Unifont (and Unifont Upper as fallback as explained above)
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23:04 entuland something funky is also happening at direct input - I have an AutoHotKey script that lets me type greek characters just by hitting capslock, like this (random gibberish): κlθηασkδφηακσθηf
23:04 entuland that's directly typed here on hexchat
23:05 entuland I put such chars on the mod and had it print on chat, it works, but typing such chars in the chat prompt again gives question marks: https://i.imgur.com/O356sfo.png
23:18 MTDiscord <entuland> posted an issue on github, hopefully it's not too crabby of a report
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23:41 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> I hate Windows.
23:41 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/848707736317067294/minetest_dll_dependencies.png
23:43 entuland ⊞ ♡ :P
23:44 MTDiscord <Jordach> wtf are you even doing
23:44 MTDiscord <entuland> I'll dare guessing "compiling minetest with visual studio or something"
23:45 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> MSYS2/MinGW
23:45 MTDiscord <entuland> close enough 😛
23:45 MTDiscord <Jordach> someone get Captain Picard on the phone
23:45 MTDiscord <Jordach> i need a facepalm
23:45 MTDiscord <entuland> ahahaha
23:45 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Is it Cygwin or MinGW that's largely deprecated now?
23:46 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> If anyone has a better option for Windows, I'd be happy to hear it. MSYS2 is a pain in the butt to compile the libraries as static.
23:46 MTDiscord <Jordach> i compile just fine with vckpg and MSVC
23:46 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> I guess I have to give in. Never wanted to turn to MSVC.
23:47 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I suppose the thing is that some might prefer to stick to open source toolchains as much as possible
23:48 MTDiscord <entuland> if I'll ever use any of the VS stuff again I'll do that within a virtual machine, too many bad experiences in the past getting the system messed up installing such things - but maybe the situation has improved
23:49 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Cygwin is the only other option that I know of that offers a Unix-like environment. But I don't know if that is even developed anymore.
23:50 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> BTW, I don't have any problems compiling. It's just that I end up with a hundred DLL dependencies because the MSYS2 project doesn't offer static libs in their pre-compiled libraries.
23:51 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> And I've found that compiling my own static libraries is more trouble than its worth...
23:52 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> FreeBSD here I come! ...someday.

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