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06:45 sfan5 !tell entuland the chat uses mono_font_path and please test with 5.5.0-dev or your bug report won't be of any use
06:45 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when entuland is around
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07:57 independent56 !tell independent56 that i am just testing, sorry
07:57 MinetestBot You can tell that to yourself
07:57 independent56 passive agressive... go away
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08:02 MinetestBot entuland: May-31 06:45 UTC <sfan5> the chat uses mono_font_path and please test with 5.5.0-dev or your bug report won't be of any use
08:08 entuland sfan5: I'm trying to find compiled binaries of 5.5.0-dev, in other project clicking on the "Build: Passing" icon of the Readme brought me to the automated builds, doesn't seem to be the case here
08:09 entuland if I'd need to build it myself from scratch I'm afraid I won't be able to
08:22 sfan5 https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest/-/pipelines
08:23 sfan5 menu to the right of a pipeline, pick the "package:win64:archive" artifact
08:23 entuland thanks!
09:00 entuland followed up to the issue with the 5.5.0-dev test, unfortunately same behavior exception made for copypasting italian accented letters that seems to work
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12:20 ludwig Hey, I hope you are all well. I just got into minetest, as I was searching for a libre voxel game. I started with mineclone2, and now me and my friends have built a lot of very cool infrastructure. Now as I understand the minetest ecosystem a bit better, I want to have more of the "real" minetest, as in use more mods. A lot of those mods add to mapgen, but we already explored the map to *wide* extends. Is there a
12:20 ludwig streamlined way to get the mapgen mdos to load their blocks into the already existing world?
12:20 ludwig or do I have to make a complex sql statement for the blocks table?
12:21 ludwig (to delete the already generated blocks outside of a certain area(
12:22 MTDiscord <y5nw> Do you mean something like "/deleteblocks"? (warning: it's destructive afaik)
12:23 ludwig uuuuh let me research that command
12:24 ludwig well kind of the opposite, i want to preserve the region with our stuff and delete everything else
12:24 ludwig since we need the ores of the new mods for example, but dont want to lose our houses, bridges, etc
12:25 ludwig alternatively to create the ores after the chunks were already generated
12:28 ludwig smth like "DELETE FROM blocks WHERE x<[..] AND x> [..] AND y<[..] AND y> [..]"
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13:35 ludwig @y5nw do you know if, when I install a mod with mapgen influence, delete a range of blocks, the newly generated blocks respect the new mod?
13:36 MTDiscord <y5nw> I suppose they do
13:38 ludwig Hmm, then I am just gonna do that four times, thanks for your input :)
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16:39 independent56 hello. when i make my map public, then a lot of things will be owned by singleplayer. how do i move ownership of singleplayer's things to 56independent?
16:53 MTDiscord <y5nw> I think that depends on what you are moving
17:00 MTDiscord <wwar> a lot of things like what? Protectors?
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17:19 MTDiscord <entuland> run a search and replace in the database 😛
17:19 MTDiscord <entuland> well, on a copy of it if you really do, may screw it up 😇
17:20 MTDiscord <entuland> some stuff may be stored in the world storage files (I have at least one mod that does that and writes player names there)
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18:05 CWz false alarm
18:31 BuckarooBanzai !tell independent56 "/protector_replace <source> <target>" https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/protector/src/master/admin.lua#L36 (just for the protectors)
18:31 MinetestBot BuckarooBanzai: I'll pass that on when independent56 is around
18:37 whosit is there's no way to preserve default item behaviour (punch/dig) on left click, but do something else on sneak+left-click?
18:43 Krock whosit: register a on_punch()  callback for example. although sneak is usually used to skip special actions to allow digging
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19:13 whosit on_punch() seems to be for nodes and items use on_use() ? I can't call some default function there, like I can with on_place() by calling minetest.item_place(), it seems
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19:17 MTDiscord <IhrFussel> My server just segfaulted @ EmergeManager::getCurrentMapgen() ... could a num_emerge_threads > 1 setting cause that?
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19:43 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Add open/close sound gains to the Doors API, balance sound levels (#2… ddebdec https://git.io/JGRL7 (2021-05-31T19:43:33Z)
19:44 Krock whosit: on_use() is called on the item you wield to punch a node. on_punch() is the node that you punch
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20:28 MinetestBot independent56: May-31 18:31 UTC <BuckarooBanzai> "/protector_replace <source> <target>" https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/protector/src/master/admin.lua#L36 (just for the protectors)
20:28 independent56 hmm
20:29 independent56 i might as well crtl+f the database
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20:29 independent56 im moving EVERYTHING. from a singleplayer to a multiplayer world. advtrains data, door data, travelnet data, even the kitchen sink of data.
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20:48 entuland independent56, well, right after you left I suggested searching and replacing in the DB, it was more of a tongue-in-cheek remark but depending on how the data is stored, may be just fine
20:48 entuland beware that some mods store player names in the world storage files
20:48 independent56 i know... i check the logs!
20:49 entuland oh okay
20:49 entuland didn't think about the logs at all :P
20:49 independent56 and yes, i do know about the storage files. i edited the one for currency to get 10 M
20:49 independent56 https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2021-05-31
20:49 independent56 here
20:51 entuland in some cases things may go south if data is serialized in a way that stores string length along with the actual string (IIRC PHP serialize() does that, for instance, and makes it nasty to do such replaces in serialized data)
20:51 entuland no idea if there is anything like that in the MT DBs
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20:52 entuland "i edited the one for currency to get 10 M" cheater ahahahah
20:55 independent56 i am admin. i am scarred from a year of playing on a server. i am corrupt admin.
20:56 entuland ehehhe, your world, your rules :P
20:56 Ingar a game without cheats is a bad game
20:57 independent56 when its online, i will be honest "yes, we have a corrupt admin. deal with it."
20:57 entuland I provide support for another game and I have no problem in saying to players that they're free to do whatever they want with their worlds _and_ the players in their communities
20:57 Ingar I have only one admin rule: don't bug the admin
20:57 Ingar it works pretty well
20:58 Noclip[m] lol
20:58 independent56 to prevent an XX drama on my server, i have said "admin can do what he likes. dont cry. save everything you do"
20:59 Noclip[m] <independent56 "i am admin. i am scarred from a "> Oh wait, you were the one that gets banned everywhere xD
20:59 specing haha
21:00 independent56 i am. i am a scarred from years of moderator action. so i decided to be a moderator and scar others. its the ring of bullying.
21:04 Noclip[m] So however joins your server gets free bullying from you?
21:04 independent56 maybe for the first week
21:05 Noclip[m] Interesting "buisness" model xD
21:05 independent56 yeah... i will let them grow roots, then "play" with them
21:05 independent56 give them some death, teleport them into the nothing, revoke interact... just admin fun
21:05 Noclip[m] Is your server already online?
21:05 independent56 no
21:05 independent56 im working on the map
21:05 independent56 i have no access to port forwading
21:06 independent56 but yeah... the wiki is working on the private ip. i need to launch the server when i get home
21:06 Noclip[m] <independent56 "i have no access to port forwadi"> You could use yggdrasil then.
21:07 independent56 tell me more
21:07 Noclip[m] But that will only allow other yggdrasil users to connect ☹️
21:07 independent56 "in Norse cosmology, is an immense and central sacred tree."  is the ddg result
21:08 independent56 brb
21:08 Noclip[m] https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/
21:09 Noclip[m] A bit like TOR or I2P but for speed instead of anonymity.
21:12 Noclip[m] But if you want to be acessable over the clearnet that won't help you.
21:13 independent56 cool
21:14 Noclip[m] Let's be honest, the clearnet just sucks ...
21:14 independent56 i dont want to make it online //now//, i gave myself the half-term to make the server and wiki public-ready
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21:15 independent56 im very proud of my world. so if a griefer comes, then its time to play with them.
21:15 Noclip[m] It's using bad technology from the beginning of the internet.
21:15 Noclip[m] <independent56 "im very proud of my world. so if"> Don't forget to keep a backup xD
21:16 independent56 i dont. auomatic nightly backups. 21:00
21:16 Noclip[m] How do you manage version control?
21:17 independent56 using crontab. //i// forget to backup, but crontab always remembers
21:17 independent56 version control? just a $(date + "%Y-%m-%d") slapped onto the filename
21:17 independent56 i have a whole pool of neglected zips.
21:18 Noclip[m] Lol so you make a copie for every new version?
21:19 independent56 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/826159362225209406/849034149234868234/Screenshot_from_2021-05-31_22-18-17.png?width=720&amp;height=405
21:19 independent56 here is the pool
21:19 Noclip[m] I recommend you to use deduplication for minetest backups.
21:19 independent56 meh
21:19 independent56 it works fine
21:20 independent56 only 1 gb per zip.
21:20 independent56 it also zips all the mods 0_0
21:20 independent56 gtg
21:20 Noclip[m] <independent56 "https://media.discordapp.net/att"> Ahh, I did it the same way in the beginning.
21:21 Noclip[m] <independent56 "it also zips all the mods 0_0"> Ohh wait, I didn't.
21:21 Noclip[m] I only zipped my worlds and not the whole minetest folder.
21:22 Noclip[m] What you are doing is nothing else than wasting a ton of space!
21:23 Noclip[m] Don't backup things that you don't need to backup and make your backups as space-efficient as possible!
21:25 Noclip[m] With 1 GB per zip you will have 365 GB after one year.
21:26 independent56 hmm
21:26 independent56 good point
21:26 Noclip[m] lol
21:26 independent56 yeah... will excluide mods
21:27 Noclip[m] I'm currently using Borg for world backups.
21:28 independent56 hmm
21:29 independent56 meh
21:29 independent56 i like the cross-platform and simplicty of bash scripts
21:29 Noclip[m] That only stores the changes of every new version.
21:29 MTDiscord <Jordach> so your collective files will adapt to serve us
21:30 independent56 meh.... i once lost a whole pool. was distressing until i realised i had a copy of everything on my sister's computer.
21:30 Noclip[m] <independent56 "i like the cross-platform and si"> Does that mean you're never using Windows?
21:31 independent56 i prefer being able to cpy and extract one file.
21:31 Noclip[m] <independent56 "meh.... i once lost a whole pool"> lol
21:31 independent56 Noclip[m], windows is horrible. it is sin. i never use it.
21:31 MTDiscord <Jordach> hello there
21:31 independent56 excerpt for in a vm, where i point and say "haha stoopid"
21:31 MTDiscord <Jordach> i'm sorry i can't hear you over my audiophile gear
21:31 Noclip[m] Why do you have a copie of all your files on your sister's computer?
21:32 Noclip[m] <MTDiscord "<Jordach> hello there"> Hello
21:32 independent56 to show her my worlds
21:32 independent56 and not ^I all ^i my files, just the worlds and mods
21:32 Noclip[m] <independent56 "Noclip, windows is horrible. it "> Great! Windows is the only platform that is not supported by borg (I think).
21:33 independent56 brb
21:33 Noclip[m] "Hey sister, could you please store a few Terabytes of data for me?"
21:34 Noclip[m] "I'm sure your laptops SSD has still some free space."
21:38 independent56 *hdd
21:41 Noclip[m] 20 TB HDDs do exist.
21:41 independent56 hmm
21:41 independent56 my sister wa sonly playing on some world
21:41 independent56 not all my files
21:41 Noclip[m] But laptops probably don't ship with them xD
21:41 independent56 and i have a 500 gb SSD... everything fits.
21:43 Noclip[m] Mhh, maybe they don't exist?!
21:44 Noclip[m] But Wester digital has a 18 TB HDD.
21:45 Noclip[m] https://shop.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-gold-sata-hdd#WD181KRYZ
21:45 independent56 and it costs $700. nope!
21:46 Noclip[m] <independent56 "and i have a 500 gb SSD... every"> 1 year of daily zip backups later ...
21:46 independent56 once, with timeshift, it was draining my storage space. and i didnt know. iw as wondering "why is my computer slow?".  when i found out i felt sooo stupid.
21:47 Noclip[m] Wait, your filesystem was actually full?
21:47 independent56 timeshift is now deleted
21:48 independent56 im lucky i survived
21:48 Noclip[m] You know that this is probably not good for the OS, do you?
21:48 independent56 i know
21:49 independent56 the OS forgives me.
21:49 Noclip[m] The OS usually always expects the filesystem to be writeable.
21:49 independent56 XD
21:50 Noclip[m] Just imagine the filesystem gets filled up in the middle of an OS update ...
21:50 independent56 luckly, timeshift was deleted.
21:50 independent56 and i have... 127 gb left
21:51 Noclip[m] You could use btrfs as filesystem. Then you can do daily snapshots without needing extra space for them.
21:51 independent56 hmm
21:51 Noclip[m] You make backups to an external drive, do you?
21:51 independent56 hmm
21:52 independent56 i have an external drive. but the connector wire is shit
21:52 Noclip[m] (And timeshift has support for btrfs. If you use timeshift on btrfs it won't use extra space.)
21:52 independent56 its impossible to make backups without "i/o error! oopsie woopsie! cant backupyour most important files"
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21:53 Noclip[m] Then get a new wire.
21:53 independent56 lol yeah
21:54 Noclip[m] Every storage device dies after some time. Your SSD is no exception from that rule.
21:54 independent56 my mum has a blue bag with a handful of storage devices. containing memories. she keeps on putting off backups. she almost lost it. i wish to make backups of it.
21:55 independent56 yeah... i need to put it on my drive.
21:56 Noclip[m] There are a few great backup phrases:
21:56 Noclip[m] No backup no mercy. If there is no (tested) backup the data wasn't important. RAID is not a backup. One backup is no backup. Always test your backups.
21:58 independent56 hmm
21:58 independent56 i always remember "three points and you're probably good"
21:58 Noclip[m] independent56: If you can lose your backups then you aren't doing your backups the right way!
21:58 independent56 hmm
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22:02 Noclip[m] Do you know the 3-2-1 backup rule?
22:04 Noclip[m] Always have 3 backups on 2 different types of storage media with one backup being offsite (for example in the cloud).
22:05 Noclip[m] That's basically the best you can do.
22:09 entuland I like to read the binaries of all of my important documents and medida and set them to mind in case of disaster.
22:09 entuland s/medida/media
22:10 Noclip[m] So you are backup up your data into your brain?
22:11 entuland https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082
22:12 Noclip[m] entuland: lol. How do you backup minetest worlds into your brain?
22:12 entuland eheheh, of course I was being facetious :P
22:12 entuland I wish I remembered more than 5 birthdates and more than 2 phone numbers
22:14 Hawk777 Easy. To restore your backup, start an empty Minetest world and rebuild all your stuff!
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22:15 Noclip[m] "Hey entuland someone griefed your server yesterday and destroyed the whole city. Could you please roll back to another version?"
22:15 Noclip[m] "Mhh, I first need to find a way to export the backup out of my brain."
22:15 entuland :)
22:16 Noclip[m] <Hawk777 "Easy. To restore your backup, st"> Super easy xD
22:16 Noclip[m] <entuland "I wish I remembered more than 5 "> I don't even try.
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22:17 entuland ehehe
22:17 entuland I don't really try actually, some simply stuck after years (some others simply don't despite the years)
22:17 Noclip[m] Okay I know a few birthdays and at least one phone number.
22:19 Noclip[m] I know someone who knew the first 500 digits of Pi.
22:21 Noclip[m] That person also knew many people's phone numbers, car license plate numbers and more ...
22:22 Noclip[m] At some point that was really a bit scary xD
22:22 specing Sounds like the ideal spy
22:22 specing remembers everything just by looking at it
22:23 Noclip[m] <specing "remembers everything just by loo"> Not sure if that's how it works.
22:24 Noclip[m] In case of Pi they said that they needed a few minutes to learn it.
22:25 Noclip[m] I have no idea how you learn hundreds of digits in just a few minutes xD
22:25 Noclip[m] Or hours
22:26 entuland some people simply have such kind of memory
22:26 Noclip[m] Jup
22:26 entuland some also say that anyone has such kind of memory and for some reason we simply don't have access to it
22:26 Noclip[m] I would probably start forgetting the beginning after a few minutes.
22:27 Noclip[m] <entuland "some also say that anyone has su"> Which package do I need to install? Is it in the ubuntu repo?
22:28 entuland eheheh
22:28 Noclip[m] Do I need a special kernel for that?
22:30 Noclip[m] <entuland "eheheh"> Downloading brain.iso now
22:31 Noclip[m] Hopefully I won't brick my brain during the installation.
22:31 entuland no guarantees given
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23:45 wsor4035 testing to see how things are from the other side of the matrix relay
23:46 wsor4035 seems to work well
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