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IRC log for #minetest, 2021-05-29

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03:46 Emerald2 Are fireflies:hidden_firefly invisible or something?
03:48 Emerald2 And why does ethereal keep putting jungles right next to the snowblock biome? Would have thought the temperature values would be too far apart.
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05:05 Emerald2 For context, I'm trying to figure out why a server with ethereal mapgen has barely any fireflies.
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09:03 river can i see some machines and automated systems that have been built in modded minetest?
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09:27 independent56 go to any survival server, river
09:29 independent56 i think that map.sqlite should be capped at ~50 MB, as it gets large, and hard for operations like ZIP. might as well make a seperate database for each mapblock, or at leasta  different table for each mapblock
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09:33 cheapie $ du -hs map.db
09:33 cheapie 75Gmap.db
09:33 cheapie Hmm... :P
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09:39 MTDiscord <IhrFussel> 50 MB is nothing on a server...that's like generating 1 path way (okay maybe a bit more than that)
09:42 comrad my minetester server hast around 162M and the mineclone2 world has 149M
09:42 independent56 me too
09:42 independent56 my worlds i play on tend to be quite large... meh.
09:43 independent56 i guess i have to live with the zip command putting a progress bar on map.sqlite
09:43 cheapie Could always switch it to leveldb if it bothers you that much - that backend does split things up.
09:43 comrad we use borg for backup, the whole backup takes around 9s
09:44 comrad independent56: or put the world into a database like postgres
09:44 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: UnitSAO: Prevent circular attachments 5bf7246 https://git.io/JGGSu (2021-05-29T09:44:48Z)
09:44 MinetestBot [git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Fix cloud fog being broken for high clouds ff48619 https://git.io/JGGSz (2021-05-29T09:44:31Z)
09:45 independent56 hmm
09:45 independent56 idrc
09:45 independent56 long backups are fine, crontab runs them a 20:00, and my main picks it up at 21:30
09:45 independent56 i have like an hour and a half to make the backups
09:46 cheapie It's not really clear to me what the problem with large files really is, anyway - surely nobody is trying to run a Minetest server with a >4GB world on Windows 98 or something.
09:46 cheapie ...mostly because if they were, that person would probably be me, and I haven't done that :P
09:46 MinetestBot [git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Fix misleading /shutdown command syntax d7a4479 https://git.io/JGGSy (2021-05-29T09:45:04Z)
09:47 independent56 lol
09:47 independent56 im running on a 2009 computer running bodhi linux and i have 200 gb of drive space
09:48 independent56 and it is free, my parents pay the wifi and electricity costs of running the server
09:48 independent56 "free hosting does not exist" lies. i said lies.
09:48 cheapie Linux on any sane FS (FAT32 doesn't count as sane) will handle the file sizes involved in any reasonable MT world fine.
09:48 independent56 lol yeah
09:48 independent56 "reasonable"
09:49 cheapie ext4 in particular can handle 16TiB files - if your MT world is hitting that then you have some problems, and sqlite probably has limits lower than that too.
09:52 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Are there instructions on building for Android? Nothing in the README.
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09:53 sfan5 buidld/android/README
09:53 sfan5 build*
09:55 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> @sfan5 That file doesn't exist. Is it somewhere else?
09:55 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Oh!
09:55 sfan5 huh I'm pretty sure we had that
09:55 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> doc/README.android
09:56 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Thanks. 🙂
09:56 comrad btw, we set up our minetest and mineclone2 server with podman / docker. Is the dockerfile interesting enough for the wiki? and/or might a systemd service unit be interesting for the wiki?
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10:20 Emerald2 IMO more info about setting up minetest servers is always good.
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10:44 comrad okay
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11:38 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Since I don't have a verisign key, I can only build "debug" apks, right? Other than being signed, is the debug package any different?
11:38 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> *other than NOT being signed...
11:39 sfan5 not really
11:39 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Oh good.
11:40 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> No performance differencs?
11:40 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> *differences
11:41 sfan5 nope
11:41 sfan5 the C++ code is compiled exactly the same even
11:43 MTDiscord <AntumDeluge> Okay, thanks.
11:59 celeron55 it's just that users can't install it on top of the existing minetest app
11:59 celeron55 if the key isn't the same
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12:39 comrad is it still necessary to ask for an account on the wiki? my username in the forum is "comrad"
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12:56 MTDiscord <appguru> independent56: your parents still pay, so it isn't free
12:56 MTDiscord <appguru> also note that running a server might make you liable if something happens, say it becomes part of a botnet
12:57 Noisytoot dev.minetest.net's certificate has expired
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14:43 MTDiscord <j45> Noisytoot: it has already been mentioned several times...
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14:52 sfan5 maybe bringing it up until it's fixed is the right strategy ;)
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20:25 rubenwardy AntumDeluge: apks are always self signed, you don't need to pay for a cert
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21:08 independent56 i wish that normal advtrains signals had a yellow aspect
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21:08 independent56 for "danger at the next signal", just like british ones
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21:43 MTDiscord <y5nw> independent56: real Ks signals also use the yellow aspect for "expect to stop at the next signal", except distant signals are a bit complicated to implement
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22:49 ilomiglio Is there a client mod for torch illumination? At least the server won't render the illumination for all
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22:53 sfan5 there isn't
22:53 ilomiglio I see
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