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<IhrFussel> It happens mostly on mobile devices since those put the game "to sleep" while in the background...now my guess is that MT actually still receives packets during that state and if the user switches back to the MT app it plays everything back at once |
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<IhrFussel> But on mobile you disconnect ~ 30 seconds after you switched to another app and put MT into the background so the "playback length" is very short |
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<independent56> i dont understand what Ks signals are better for. why should i use them? to me, they are as ugly as sin, and i feel that i should just use regular ones. |
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<independent56> i dont understand what Ks signals are better for. why should i use them? to me, they are as ugly as sin, and i feel that i should just use regular ones. |
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<y5nw> independent56: IRL Ks signals can be used as the main signal and as a distant signal, hence the German name "Kombinationssignal" (combination signal) |
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<y5nw> independent56: also it is (correct me if I'm wrong) also introduced to unify the different signaling systems used in Germany |
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<y5nw> Btw, the Ks signal in-game is not totally accurate in that the yellow light in the middle is used for "proceed with speed restriction of 6" instead of "expect stop at the next signal" (actually using m/s instead of 10km/h is also not really compliant to RL signals, but that's possibly done to avoid headache) |
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<MNH48> I think that's mostly because m/s is easier to understand in game and less technical ... the actual speed unit is "nodes per second" and we always count 1 node long as 1m long |
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<MNH48> eg, it's used in config example https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/673c29f7ea6735c15596a118fe7e6100d4a466e0/minetest.conf.example#L1451 |
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<MNH48> (the 'nodes per second' , I mean) |
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<j45> celeron55, are you there? i just wanted to tell you (incase you didnt already know) that the certificate for dev.minetest.land is invalid |
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<j45> *dev.minetest.net |
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Hey j45 |
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<Conradish006> Interesting. For me, it does take quite a while, I went AFK once for over five hours and it took a good ten minutes to "play" everything back. Probably mostly because of the lag. |
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<Kimapr> afaik the actual actual unit is mapblocks per second... (are replies properly relayed?) |
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<Jonathon> No |
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<independent56> i dont understand what Ks signals are better for. why should i use them? to me, they are as ugly as sin, and i feel that i should just use regular ones. |
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<rubenwardy> what are you talking about? |
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<independent56> but im sure there is a benifit |
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<rubenwardy> is this a mod? |
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<independent56> avdtrains |
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Krock |
!mod advtrains |
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MinetestBot |
Krock: Advanced Trains [advtrains] by orwell - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14726 - https://github.com/h-v-smacker/advtrains_granite |
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<independent56> *advtrains, the laggy mod for realistic trains |
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hlqkj |
Ks signals can also set a speed limit on thrains, normal signals can't |
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<independent56> oh wow! /srs |
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<independent56> yeah, despite their uglyness, i will use them for new sections of [interlocked] track. |
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hlqkj |
they can also be used for shunting signalling, but that is something i still need to learn |
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<independent56> me too. i ahve never needed to sue shunting. just a small siding and regular mode is enough |
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<independent56> and the mast wich can be made taller is always good, especially in eleveted tracks |
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<independent56> if i was'nt so lazy, i would change the texture to be less fugly. |
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<independent56> [advtrains] routig codes? where do i go to understand them? |
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<independent56> main question: can i just make one long one, and the interpreter tries to find the given routing code within the train's one? example: train "S-RE-UY", signal ARS "RC S-RE"? will this take the train down the signal ARS? |
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<independent56> in advtrains, how do routing codes differ from lines? |
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<independent56> in advtrains, how do routing codes differ from lines? |
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<Hawk777> What did you find unclear from the documentation <https://advtrains.de/interlocking/>? |
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BrBridge |
<Hawk777> independent56: What did you find unclear from the documentation <https://advtrains.de/interlocking/>? |
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<independent56> Hawk777: thanks! i am sooo stupid :man_facepalming |
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MTDiscord |
<gpcf> bad bot |
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<y5nw> independent56: Ks signals are mainly taken from RL, where they are (IMO) more useful than in-game |
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<gpcf> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/846842267951038484/400px-Ks-Mehrabschnittssignal.png |
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<gpcf> here, look at the beauty of ks signals |
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<y5nw> independent56: btw, as I currently live near Heidelberg during the holiday I can take a photo of a tram signal tomorrow to compare with a Ks signal |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> wow! no ugly blue pole! just pure, confusing, german engineering! |
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MTDiscord |
<gpcf> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/846842983688306719/450px-German_railway_hl_signal.png |
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MTDiscord |
<gpcf> or do you prefer its commie father, the Hl Signal? |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.railsigns.uk%2Fphotos%2Fp_route2%2Fpic_plji5.jpg&f=1&nofb=1 |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> british signals sometimes have route indicators, showing wich way trains go |
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<y5nw> independent56: how much information do British signals show in comparison to Ks signals though? |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> maybe i should submit an email-issue for these |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> BrBridge: not much. pure minimalisim |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> You should probably write a mod that adds British signals |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> but im used to that |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> i dont wish to add to the mineest community, after how it treated me TBH. |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Well yeah, if you don't want to do it yourself and are dependent on others to do it then you are dependent on others to implement it based on their own interests |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> and sure, ks signals are "better". but remeber - the uk gets by just fine with it's signals. need an excuse for simplicity? ask us! |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> hmm |
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MTDiscord |
<gpcf> the UK's rail is a joke |
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<gpcf> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/846844022933028894/800px-S-Bahn_Rostock_push-pull-train.png |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> british rail takes you where you need to be. thats all that matters for us. |
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MTDiscord |
<gpcf> these trains would be taken out by the first bridge they'd encounter |
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MTDiscord |
<gpcf> the only double-deck train you tried was a sardine can |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> XD |
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MTDiscord |
<gpcf> also, british rail no longer exists, so it can't take you anywhere |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> we dont need double-decker. just transport |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> unlike europe, our island is relitively small. and why would we ever retrofit our aincent bridges? |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> independent56: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkansen |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> why spend millions making new infastructure when you can spend a few million on carbon tax and use roads? |
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MTDiscord |
<gpcf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ6PqpCbsLE |
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MTDiscord |
<gpcf> also, you have this "nice" spot-welding electrification system |
| 20:20 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Anyway, we should get back to talking about advtrains |
| 20:20 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> (and MT in general) |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> yeah... er... routing code ARS interlocking backbench what? |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> obvs /j |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Anyway, it would be nice to have the type of tram tracks that are "embedded" into the road |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> just use level crossings? |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> or maybe make an alias of normal tracks without the wood sleeping things |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Except the level crossings are not particularly ... intuitive |
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<independent56> as i said, level crossings or no wood sleeping things. |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Advtrains lacks a mechanism for aliasing tracks for such cases :\ |
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<independent56> make one >:-> |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> If I can finish the existing things in advtrains that I am working on, yes |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> add more >:-> |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Well yeah, I need to first finish the things I'm already working on (and prioritize) right now (mostly the HUD and l10n changes), and then work on things that I have not started yet or consider less important |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> how would you go about using ars rules to match an routecode of "junction station"? would you just do summat like "junction-station station-junction junction-mainline"? how would i use a routecode of "junction station junction mainline"? would i just do "RC junction station"? or is it more complex? |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> The routingcode should not contain spaces |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> 0_0 i thought it was a single routecode? |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Currently there is no official support for matching multiple RCs at a time, but you can do it by e.g. specifying them separated with spaces |
| 20:35 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> That does mean that the RCs on the train would need to be written such that they match with string.find (IIRC) |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> hmm... what if i have a specific route around a strange maze-like track? do i have to put the entire routecode in? |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> I didn't quite understand that |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> https://pastebin.com/76LcL4Zm |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> this is my plan, taken from my journal-notebook |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> I am not sure what you are asking right now. Are you asking about how to match multiple routing codes (and does the order matter?) |
| 20:39 |
MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Btw: http://git.bananach.space/advtrains.git/tree/advtrains_interlocking/ars.lua |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> im just asking that i have train at point A. then, i want to take it to point C, then B. what is the reccomended way to do this using routingcodes? |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> I would suggest just assigning a line number to that route |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Or, if you want to do it with RCs, and assuming that A connects to either B or C in that particular direction departing from A (e.g. a station), then you can use "A B" or "A C", but with the limitation that the RCs has to be written in that particular order and with the same number of spaces |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> And if you write "A B A C" then you end up being short-circuited to the first route that matches "A B" or "A C" |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> hmm |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> i will need tp learn the system much more deeply. |
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BrBridge |
<Gustavo6046> Is TenPlus1 there? |
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BrBridge |
<independent56> he dosent appear on my user list. he isnt even inactive. ~libera.chat |
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BrBridge |
<Gustavo6046> ah, I see |
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BrBridge |
<Gustavo6046> maybe he stood at freenode? |
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Gustavo6046 |
nope |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Tenplus1 does not be online in these times |
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BrBridge |
<Gustavo6046> yeah |
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<wwar> He was in his server 2 hours ago |
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<Gustavo6046> they are a person who is highly concerned with privacy, |
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BrBridge |
<Gustavo6046> I value that |
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BrBridge |
<Gustavo6046> in fact I once remembered an email of his concerning my PR to his builtin_item |
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BrBridge |
<Gustavo6046> I was never able to reply; it was a send-only, burner email account I think. |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> He knows we turned to libera tho |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> i talked to him (outside minetest) in forums and hub-irc only |
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<Gustavo6046> ah okay |
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<wwar> a good proof that says minetest is older than minecraft, |
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<wwar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/846854880495665152/Screenshot_2021-05-25-23-51-26.png |
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<wwar> Some weeks ago we found that 2b2t server has 60+ players in server list while it has only 4 online.. |
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<Gustavo6046> what? |
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<wwar> you cant see the screenshot i sent? |
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BrBridge |
<Gustavo6046> 2b2t was born in around 2010 iirc, before Minecraft had its official 1.0 release |
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BrBridge |
<Gustavo6046> is that the actual minecraft 2b2t or? |
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BrBridge |
<Gustavo6046> because 2b2t's address is 2b2t.org |
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<wwar> no its minetest |
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BrBridge |
<Gustavo6046> ah okay |
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<wwar> if you can see the scroonshot i sent, it says the server is up for 50 years |
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BrBridge |
<Gustavo6046> well mineclone2 isn't minecraft |
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BrBridge |
<Gustavo6046> LOL |
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<Gustavo6046> ah yes, unix epoch |
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<Gustavo6046> wasn't every human being born in Jan 1 1970? |
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<wwar> atleast we prooved that mc is the copy :þ |
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