Time  Nick        Message
05:50 MTDiscord   <IhrFussel> It happens mostly on mobile devices since those put the game "to sleep" while in the background...now my guess is that MT actually still receives packets during that state and if the user switches back to the MT app it plays everything back at once
05:53 MTDiscord   <IhrFussel> But on mobile you disconnect ~ 30 seconds after you switched to another app and put MT into the background so the "playback length" is very short
06:30 BrBridge_   07<i​ndependent56> i dont understand what Ks signals are better for. why should i use them? to me, they are as ugly as sin, and i feel that i should just use regular ones.
06:52 BrBridge_   07<i​ndependent56> i dont understand what Ks signals are better for. why should i use them? to me, they are as ugly as sin, and i feel that i should just use regular ones.
07:36 MTDiscord   <y5nw> independent56: IRL Ks signals can be used as the main signal and as a distant signal, hence the German name "Kombinationssignal" (combination signal)
07:37 MTDiscord   <y5nw> independent56: also it is (correct me if I'm wrong) also introduced to unify the different signaling systems used in Germany
07:43 MTDiscord   <y5nw> Btw, the Ks signal in-game is not totally accurate in that the yellow light in the middle is used for "proceed with speed restriction of 6" instead of "expect stop at the next signal" (actually using m/s instead of 10km/h is also not really compliant to RL signals, but that's possibly done to avoid headache)
08:19 MTDiscord   <MNH48> I think that's mostly because m/s is easier to understand in game and less technical ... the actual speed unit is "nodes per second" and we always count 1 node long as 1m long
08:20 MTDiscord   <MNH48> eg, it's used in config example https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/673c29f7ea6735c15596a118fe7e6100d4a466e0/minetest.conf.example#L1451
08:20 MTDiscord   <MNH48> (the 'nodes per second' , I mean)
15:24 MTDiscord   <j45> celeron55, are you there? i just wanted to tell you (incase you didnt already know) that the certificate for dev.minetest.land is invalid
15:24 MTDiscord   <j45> *dev.minetest.net
15:47 TechDude    Hey j45
16:28 MTDiscord   <Conradish006> Interesting. For me, it does take quite a while, I went AFK once for over five hours and it took a good ten minutes to "play" everything back. Probably mostly because of the lag.
16:34 MTDiscord   <Kimapr> afaik the actual actual unit is mapblocks per second... (are replies properly relayed?)
16:55 MTDiscord   <Jonathon> No
17:37 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> i dont understand what Ks signals are better for. why should i use them? to me, they are as ugly as sin, and i feel that i should just use regular ones.
17:37 BrBridge    11<r​ubenwardy> what are you talking about?
17:37 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> but im sure there is a benifit
17:37 BrBridge    11<r​ubenwardy> is this a mod?
17:37 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> avdtrains
17:38 Krock       !mod advtrains
17:38 MinetestBot Krock: Advanced Trains [advtrains] by orwell - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14726 - https://github.com/h-v-smacker/advtrains_granite
17:38 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> *advtrains, the laggy mod for realistic trains
17:39 hlqkj       Ks signals can also set a speed limit on thrains, normal signals can't
17:39 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> oh wow! /srs
17:40 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> yeah, despite their uglyness, i will use them for new sections of [interlocked] track.
17:40 hlqkj       they can also be used for shunting signalling, but that is something i still need to learn
17:42 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> me too. i ahve never needed to sue shunting. just a small siding and regular mode is enough
17:42 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> and the mast wich can be made taller is always good, especially in eleveted tracks
17:43 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> if i was'nt so lazy, i would change the texture to be less fugly.
18:37 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> [advtrains] routig codes? where do i go to understand them?
18:42 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> main question: can i just make one long one, and the interpreter tries to find the given routing code within the train's one? example: train "S-RE-UY", signal ARS "RC S-RE"? will this take the train down the signal ARS?
19:23 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> in advtrains, how do routing codes differ from lines?
19:34 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> in advtrains, how do routing codes differ from lines?
19:36 BrBridge    14<H​awk777> What did you find unclear from the documentation <https://advtrains.de/interlocking/>?
19:37 BrBridge    14<H​awk777> independent56: What did you find unclear from the documentation <https://advtrains.de/interlocking/>?
19:45 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> Hawk777: thanks! i am sooo stupid :man_facepalming
20:06 MTDiscord   <gpcf> bad bot
20:08 MTDiscord   <y5nw> independent56: Ks signals are mainly taken from RL, where they are (IMO) more useful than in-game
20:08 MTDiscord   <gpcf> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/846842267951038484/400px-Ks-Mehrabschnittssignal.png
20:08 MTDiscord   <gpcf> here, look at the beauty of ks signals
20:10 MTDiscord   <y5nw> independent56: btw, as I currently live near Heidelberg during the holiday I can take a photo of a tram signal tomorrow to compare with a Ks signal
20:10 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> wow! no ugly blue pole! just pure, confusing, german engineering!
20:11 MTDiscord   <gpcf> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/846842983688306719/450px-German_railway_hl_signal.png
20:12 MTDiscord   <gpcf> or do you prefer its commie father, the Hl Signal?
20:12 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.railsigns.uk%2Fphotos%2Fp_route2%2Fpic_plji5.jpg&f=1&nofb=1
20:12 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> british signals sometimes have route indicators, showing wich way trains go
20:12 MTDiscord   <y5nw> independent56: how much information do British signals show in comparison to Ks signals though?
20:13 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> maybe i should submit an email-issue for these
20:13 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> BrBridge: not much. pure minimalisim
20:13 MTDiscord   <y5nw> You should probably write a mod that adds British signals
20:13 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> but im used to that
20:14 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> i dont wish to add to the mineest community, after how it treated me TBH.
20:15 MTDiscord   <y5nw> Well yeah, if you don't want to do it yourself and are dependent on others to do it then you are dependent on others to implement it based on their own interests
20:15 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> and sure, ks signals are "better". but remeber - the uk gets by just fine with it's signals. need an excuse for simplicity? ask us!
20:15 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> hmm
20:15 MTDiscord   <gpcf> the UK's rail is a joke
20:15 MTDiscord   <gpcf> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/846844022933028894/800px-S-Bahn_Rostock_push-pull-train.png
20:15 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> british rail takes you where you need to be. thats all that matters for us.
20:16 MTDiscord   <gpcf> these trains would be taken out by the first bridge they'd encounter
20:16 MTDiscord   <gpcf> the only double-deck train you tried was a sardine can
20:16 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> XD
20:17 MTDiscord   <gpcf> also, british rail no longer exists, so it can't take you anywhere
20:17 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> we dont need double-decker. just transport
20:17 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> unlike europe, our island is relitively small. and why would we ever retrofit our aincent bridges?
20:18 MTDiscord   <y5nw> independent56: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinkansen
20:19 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> why spend millions making new infastructure when you can spend a few million on carbon tax and use roads?
20:20 MTDiscord   <gpcf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ6PqpCbsLE
20:20 MTDiscord   <gpcf> also, you have this "nice" spot-welding electrification system
20:20 MTDiscord   <y5nw> Anyway, we should get back to talking about advtrains
20:20 MTDiscord   <y5nw> (and MT in general)
20:20 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> yeah... er... routing code ARS interlocking backbench what?
20:21 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> obvs /j
20:22 MTDiscord   <y5nw> Anyway, it would be nice to have the type of tram tracks that are "embedded" into the road
20:23 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> just use level crossings?
20:24 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> or maybe make an alias of normal tracks without the wood sleeping things
20:24 MTDiscord   <y5nw> Except the level crossings are not particularly ... intuitive
20:26 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> as i said, level crossings or no wood sleeping things.
20:29 MTDiscord   <y5nw> Advtrains lacks a mechanism for aliasing tracks for such cases :\
20:30 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> make one >:->
20:31 MTDiscord   <y5nw> If I can finish the existing things in advtrains that I am working on, yes
20:31 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> add more >:->
20:32 MTDiscord   <y5nw> Well yeah, I need to first finish the things I'm already working on (and prioritize) right now (mostly the HUD and l10n changes), and then work on things that I have not started yet or consider less important
20:33 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> how would you go about using ars rules to match an routecode of "junction station"? would you just do summat like "junction-station station-junction junction-mainline"? how would i use a routecode of "junction station junction mainline"? would i just do "RC junction station"? or is it more complex?
20:33 MTDiscord   <y5nw> The routingcode should not contain spaces
20:34 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> 0_0 i thought it was a single routecode?
20:34 MTDiscord   <y5nw> Currently there is no official support for matching multiple RCs at a time, but you can do it by e.g. specifying them separated with spaces
20:35 MTDiscord   <y5nw> That does mean that the RCs on the train would need to be written such that they match with string.find (IIRC)
20:35 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> hmm... what if i have a specific route around a strange maze-like track? do i have to put the entire routecode in?
20:36 MTDiscord   <y5nw> I didn't quite understand that
20:36 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> https://pastebin.com/76LcL4Zm
20:37 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> this is my plan, taken from my journal-notebook
20:39 MTDiscord   <y5nw> I am not sure what you are asking right now. Are you asking about how to match multiple routing codes (and does the order matter?)
20:39 MTDiscord   <y5nw> Btw: http://git.bananach.space/advtrains.git/tree/advtrains_interlocking/ars.lua
20:41 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> im just asking that i have train at point A. then, i want to take it to point C, then B. what is the reccomended way to do this using routingcodes?
20:41 MTDiscord   <y5nw> I would suggest just assigning a line number to that route
20:44 MTDiscord   <y5nw> Or, if you want to do it with RCs, and assuming that A connects to either B or C in that particular direction departing from A (e.g. a station), then you can use "A B" or "A C", but with the limitation that the RCs has to be written in that particular order and with the same number of spaces
20:45 MTDiscord   <y5nw> And if you write "A B A C" then you end up being short-circuited to the first route that matches "A B" or "A C"
20:47 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> hmm
20:47 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> i will need tp learn the system much more deeply.
20:53 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> Is TenPlus1 there?
20:54 BrBridge    07<i​ndependent56> he dosent appear on my user list. he isnt even inactive. ~libera.chat
20:54 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> ah, I see
20:54 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> maybe he stood at freenode?
20:54 Gustavo6046 nope
20:54 MTDiscord   <wwar> Tenplus1 does not be online in these times
20:55 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> yeah
20:55 MTDiscord   <wwar> He was in his server 2 hours ago
20:55 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> they are a person who is highly concerned with privacy,
20:55 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> I value that
20:55 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> in fact I once remembered an email of his concerning my PR to his builtin_item
20:55 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> I was never able to reply; it was a send-only, burner email account I think.
20:56 MTDiscord   <wwar> He knows we turned to libera tho
20:56 MTDiscord   <wwar> i talked to him (outside minetest) in forums and hub-irc only
20:57 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> ah okay
20:58 MTDiscord   <wwar> a good proof that says minetest is older than minecraft,
20:58 MTDiscord   <wwar> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/846854880495665152/Screenshot_2021-05-25-23-51-26.png
20:59 MTDiscord   <wwar> Some weeks ago we found that 2b2t server has 60+ players in server list while it has only 4 online..
21:00 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> what?
21:00 MTDiscord   <wwar> you cant see the screenshot i sent?
21:01 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> 2b2t was born in around 2010 iirc, before Minecraft had its official 1.0 release
21:01 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> is that the actual minecraft 2b2t or?
21:01 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> because 2b2t's address is 2b2t.org
21:01 MTDiscord   <wwar> no its minetest
21:01 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> ah okay
21:01 MTDiscord   <wwar> if you can see the scroonshot i sent, it says the server is up for 50 years
21:01 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> well mineclone2 isn't minecraft
21:01 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> LOL
21:01 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> ah yes, unix epoch
21:02 BrBridge    06<G​ustavo6046> wasn't every human being born in Jan 1 1970?
21:02 MTDiscord   <wwar> atleast we prooved that mc is the copy :þ