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03:33 Swift110-mobile lol
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05:50 Menchers lol, this channel's still here
05:51 Menchers suggests that the recent removal of tons of channels was pretty much just grepping for "libera" in channel topics
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05:52 bigfoot547 hah yeah one quick alis query
05:58 BrBridge <r​iff-IRC> ya
06:00 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> what's the thing here? has the discord been griefed?
06:00 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> 0_0
06:01 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> ?
06:01 Menchers freenode's gotten griefed   D:
06:01 Menchers #minetest didn't get hit this time
06:02 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> phew, at least discord hasnt lost years of archived information
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06:08 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> one question: can i use my archived data from the client how i like? pastebinning stuff i want to preserve?
06:10 BrBridge <t​hmh> there's already a public log https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2021-05-26
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06:11 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> haha yay!
06:11 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> so that means i can pastebing >:->
06:11 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> (bing is not a bin, its a spelling error. remove the g)
06:12 BrBridge <t​hmh> pastebing is microsoft's competing service
06:13 BrBridge <c​heapie> Maybe PasteBing is like Pastebin but makes this noise at random: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fq6qFwcK0U&amp;t=12s
06:17 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> and pastegoogle takes all the pastes you make, extracts data from them, ands sells it to advertisers.
06:18 BrBridge <c​heapie> And PastePasteGo at least claims to be better than that but never really shows you what you're looking for to begin with?
06:18 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> duckduckpaste has an auto-burn of one hour, and it's search function isnt that great (in comparison to pastegoogle's, wich always gives you what you're thinking - "bannana paste" ends up with "reasons your lover  dosent love you")
06:18 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> i was typing first!#
06:20 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> this day, but  2013: https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2013-05-26
06:20 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> shows you what wa sgoing on ~8 years ago.
06:22 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2012-06-29
06:22 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> from when the log began
06:22 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> cool
06:23 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> im at gmt+1. BST ist cool?
06:26 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Am I the only one who actually has more trouble getting what I want from Google than DuckDuckGo?
06:27 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Maybe I just know DDG's engine better than Google's to the point that it makes a difference
06:27 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> i have no trouble with either of them
06:28 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> they both give results. finding your result in a sea of bad ones was always a part of search results.
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15:23 BrBridge <G​reenXenith> Ping
15:23 BrBridge <M​TDiscord> <GreenXenith> Pong
15:41 Topic for #minetest is now Latest version: 5.4.1 (2021-04-10) | General, player and modder discussion is on-topic. If in doubt, post here | Responses may take a while, be patient | Rules: https://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: https://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: https://irc.minetest.net/minetest
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16:26 BrBridge <B​enrob0329> test
16:26 benrob0329 perfect
16:28 BrBridge <V​anessaE> results inconclusive :P
16:31 BrBridge <J​onathon> *however they lean towards test sucess but are not statistical significant
16:32 BrBridge <V​anessaE> heh
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16:35 BrBridge <V​anessaE> nope
16:35 BrBridge <V​anessaE> no +V for you
16:35 BrBridge <s​fan5> this isn't -hub
16:35 BrBridge <V​anessaE> but you can have a +v at least :D
16:35 BrBridge <V​anessaE> oops
16:35 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> heh
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16:35 BrBridge <s​fan5> I thought +m was removed from -hub anyway?
16:35 BrBridge <V​anessaE> well he STILL can't have +V  :)
16:36 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> It would seem there is no +m in -hub here
16:37 BrBridge <H​awk777> Hey folks, just checking, is the plan here that the bridge will remain in place long-term, or at least until nobody visits Freenode any more? I’m trying to decide whether I should remain in both channels (and get duplicate messages) or only this one (and potentially miss chat on Freenode should the bridge be shut down at some point).
16:37 BrBridge <s​fan5> just stay here
16:37 BrBridge <V​anessaE> freenode is dead, it just hasn't stopped twitching
16:37 BrBridge <H​awk777> Haha sounds good.
16:38 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> The bridge doesn't cost me anything extra to run, so it'll stay around until it can't anymore
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16:38 BrBridge <V​anessaE> not sure I recommend that, benrob0329
16:39 BrBridge <V​anessaE> freenode's gestapo is kinda going full retard on old channels...
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16:41 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> I mean, sure, but I don't think that bridges are against policy, otherwise the Matrix bridge would get shut down. Besides, if the bot gets banned that just means it's time to never look back :P
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16:44 BrBridge <a​ppguru> Is there an API for the logs? Or do I have to scrape the HTML?
16:44 BrBridge <S​okomine> VanessaE: can't withhold the letter V from someone! now benrob0329 has to write all words starting with v in lowercase (luckily that is no big probelm in english and chat :))
16:44 BrBridge <V​anessaE> heh
16:45 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> If a staff decision is made to remove it I will, but I'm willing to leave it up as long as possible as well
16:45 BrBridge <a​ppguru> (I'd like to have the full history available in Thunderbird)
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16:45 BrBridge <s​ofar> please stop connecting to freenode entirely
16:45 BrBridge <s​ofar> the faster people leave the better for everyone here
16:45 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> Sokomine: Well, I guess I'll have to call vanessaE vE from now on
16:45 BrBridge <V​anessaE> heh
16:46 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> yeas!
16:46 BrBridge <S​okomine> benrob0329: thanks for that!
16:46 IceDragon ah, since I'm stranded here, where does channe live now?
16:46 BrBridge <a​ppguru> yay, lowerCamelCase :D
16:46 BrBridge <V​anessaE> yeah, just AKICK the old channels and ditch the relay.
16:46 BrBridge <V​anessaE> it's over, really.
16:46 BrBridge <s​fan5> @appguru there is not, the best you get is a plaintext version; and I doubt you *really* want the full history avaialble
16:46 BrBridge <s​fan5> you can be sure the public logs won't be going away
16:46 BrBridge <V​anessaE> I​ceDragon irc.libera.chat #minetest
16:46 BrBridge <a​ppguru> I am sure that they won't be going away
16:47 BrBridge <a​ppguru> I really want the full history however
16:47 IceDragon Thanks a bunch VanessaE
16:47 BrBridge <V​anessaE> yw.
16:47 BrBridge <a​ppguru> Probably won't stuff it on my SSD tho :P
16:47 BrBridge <s​fan5> it's 570MB on disk
16:48 BrBridge <a​ppguru> Oh that's acceptable
16:48 BrBridge <J​onathon> The only reason to relay to freenode is matrix support
16:48 BrBridge <V​anessaE> so relay to a relay?
16:48 BrBridge <a​ppguru> Couldn't the Matrix relay be configured to relay to Libera?
16:48 BrBridge <I​ceDragon> wasn't the internet always just relays though?
16:48 BrBridge <J​onathon> No
16:49 BrBridge <a​ppguru> Internet Relay Chat ;)
16:49 BrBridge <S​okomine> btw, has anyone a solution to my formspec dropdown vs. scroll container problem? scrolling scrolls the dropdown if the mouse is still there...but in this case ought to scroll the scroll container unless clicked...
16:49 BrBridge <V​anessaE> tell matrix users to get real IRC clients then
16:49 BrBridge <J​onathon> Because freenode runs them and the matrix channels are freenode irc named
16:49 BrBridge <V​anessaE> it's not like Hexchat takes a lot of space or bandwidth
16:49 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> *Matrix.org runs them
16:49 BrBridge <J​onathon> Tell irc users to vet out of the darkages
16:49 BrBridge <J​onathon> *get
16:50 BrBridge <J​onathon> Ok, i stand corrected then
16:50 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> But I can set up some Matrix rooms and point BrBridge to them
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16:50 BrBridge <J​onathon> Isnt matrix working on libera support tho?
16:51 BrBridge <S​okomine> no, won't use discord. it's horrible. such a bloated program to get something that is *less* convenient than an irc client...no
16:51 BrBridge <J​onathon> As long as the relay to freenode works not much purpose
16:51 BrBridge <a​ppguru> I can see why people won't use Discord
16:51 BrBridge <a​ppguru> But a main advantage is definitely the message history
16:51 BrBridge <J​onathon> coughs in matrix
16:51 BrBridge <a​ppguru> In IRC you have to roll your own logging
16:51 BrBridge <J​onathon> And bouncer
16:51 * BrBridge <b​enrob0329> looks at IRCv3's CHATHISTORY spec
16:52 BrBridge <a​ppguru> oh there is?
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16:52 BrBridge <a​ppguru> does Libera support it?
16:52 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> THere's been the batch type for marking it for a while now, and there's a draft spec for a command to specifically request logs.
16:52 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> And Libera is about as on-the-ball for IRCv3 stuff as Freenode was
16:53 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> i just set it up
16:53 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> logger56 is the logging account
16:53 BrBridge <s​fan5> we don't need a second log here
16:53 BrBridge <a​ppguru> You don't need one
16:53 BrBridge <a​ppguru> That's why I'm planning on leveraging the existing logs :)
16:53 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> he is an old netbook. and a 20:50 every night, he packages up the chat. and at 21:00, my main gets it via scp.
16:54 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> i dont need one. correct. but i do liek having a private log
16:54 BrBridge <J​onathon> Why not just wget irc.minetest.net
16:54 BrBridge <a​ppguru> Mirroring the public logs is way more convenient IMO
16:54 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> it was a fun project
16:54 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> and still is fun
16:54 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> Libera doesn't even support message tags, which are not really new at this point and allow nice new features
16:55 BrBridge <a​ppguru> adv_chat parses message tags properly :)
16:55 BrBridge <a​ppguru> it just has no use for them currently
16:55 BrBridge <S​oni> when's opting-out of BrBridge but not MTDiscord gonna be a thing?
16:55 BrBridge <s​fan5> as soon as BrBridge disappears ;)
16:56 BrBridge <S​oni> why does [off] apply to both
16:56 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> See https://github.com/solanum-ircd/solanum/issues/167 if you want to support Libera gettings message tags
16:57 BrBridge <S​okomine> what are message tags for? what's needed is normal chat and something like /me. if that's there chat can commence. ok, and /msg
16:58 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> Message tags don't replace CTCP (yet) but they provide a standard (and compatible thanks to capability negotiation) way of adding metadata to messages
16:59 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> So things like message IDs, reactions, replies, and edits, as well as marking netsplits and chat history all become fairly trivial with them
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17:01 BrBridge <S​okomine> ah, ok
17:02 BrBridge <B​ombo> hi
17:07 BrBridge <b​dju> are both minetest channels still being used for now then?
17:07 BrBridge <b​dju> oh they're bridged
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17:15 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> here is an excuse: i am logging incase the original logs are gone. or they are editied. or they are made innacessible by poor administration.
17:16 BrBridge <I​ceDragon> nothing is stopping admins from booting the logging user though
17:21 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> IceDragon: true. but i dont think they will, as i am logging on this account. default behaviour for many clients
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17:25 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> whats happening here?
17:25 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> my logwebbook is streaming banned users
17:25 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> wow wtf
17:26 BrBridge <l​ogger56> at least it's stopped
17:26 BrBridge <l​ogger56> all of them are IP bans
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17:28 BrBridge <S​oni> we take it someone moved bans over?
17:28 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> probably
17:28 BrBridge <b​enrob0329> Correct
17:29 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> good
17:30 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> at least it wasnt my logger being banned
17:30 BrBridge <V​anessaE> yeah they're just importing the ban list from fn
17:30 BrBridge <a​lket> chat logs?
17:30 BrBridge <i​ndependent56> yay!
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17:42 Panquesito7 hi guys :)
17:43 hlqkj o/
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18:02 sfan5 !op
18:02 Topic for #minetest is now The official Minetest channel | Latest version: 5.4.1 (2021-04-10) | General, player and modder discussion is on-topic. If in doubt, post here | Responses may take a while, be patient | Rules: https://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: https://minetest.net/servers
18:04 sfan5 !op
18:04 Topic for #minetest is now The official Minetest channel | Latest version: 5.4.1 (2021-04-10) | General, player and modding discussion is on-topic. If in doubt, post here | Responses may take a while, be patient | Rules: https://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: https://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: https://irc.minetest.net/minetest
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18:24 Helenah So... how many more channels am I going to have to keep joining on here!
18:24 Helenah Oh and hi! :3
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18:26 * sfan5 waves
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18:38 est31 hi
18:38 sfan5 hello
18:38 * est31 waves at sfan5
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18:39 VanessaE a wild est31 appears!
18:39 est31 :)
18:40 * twoelk waves goodbye to the old channel
18:40 twoelk o/
18:41 twoelk \o
18:41 est31 freenode broke my bouncer config for some reason
18:41 sofar nothing like freenode bringing back together good old friends
18:42 est31 I don't know what the problem is and I dont think I want to debug it at this point
18:42 Conrad est31: Freenode breaks a lot of things :D
18:42 est31 indeed
18:43 Conrad Can't even get op in my channel anymore
18:43 Conrad I figure the only way to shut down the channel is to mention Libera a bunch of times.
18:43 est31 lol
18:43 est31 l*bera
18:43 Conrad Then the freenode nazis will join and take over
18:44 VanessaE ..and scream about freeze peach :P
18:45 twoelk ugh, now I keep thinking of peach flvor icecream
18:45 twoelk *flavor
18:45 Conrad peach flavor anything is overrated
18:47 * Conrad sings Libera to the tune of the Liberty Mutual jingle
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18:54 MTDiscord <Jordach> it really should've been called liberia chat but there we go
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18:56 Conrad My brother kept typing irc.liberia.net. I figured I'd let him figure out what he'd botched up.
18:56 sfan5 i've made the same mistake a couple of times
18:57 Conrad If you search irc libera on Google, it pulls up a page about IRC (the foundation) and the work they've done in Liberia.
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18:58 est31 lol
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19:01 MTDiscord <twoelk> I first thought of Liberace the entertainer
19:04 est31 sofar: :)
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19:10 Krock ping
19:11 x_ \o
19:11 Krock hi xerox
19:11 independent56 is there a way to get the length of the train using luaATC? my mainline needs 2-wagon trains, oherwise the stationsare too small. summat like "if train_length() == 2 then set_line("passanger") end"
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19:18 Krock independent56: that's a question about black magic. perhaps checking the books (source) yourself will yield quicker answers
19:19 * twoelk stares at the old dead channel and decides to take a screenshot for history
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19:23 independent56 Krock: https://advtrains.de/wiki/doku.php?id=usage:atlatc:api
19:23 independent56 this does not mention of it
19:23 independent56 i wish i could
19:25 Krock well then, dig into the source code
19:32 MTDiscord <y5nw> independent56: afaik no
19:33 MTDiscord <y5nw> would be just #train.trainparts though
19:33 independent56 i'll look into fixing this hole
19:34 independent56 wdym with that "#train.trainparts"?
19:34 MTDiscord <y5nw> facepalm read the source code and you will figure that out
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19:36 independent56 what file should i read?
19:37 MTDiscord <y5nw> Somewhere in the lua automation directory (I'm reading that as well)
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19:44 MTDiscord <y5nw> Hm, there is the train_length function
19:45 independent56 ohhh! can i have a link?
19:48 MTDiscord <y5nw> train_length = function() if not train_id then return false end; return #train.trainparts end
19:49 MTDiscord <y5nw> advtrains_luaautomation/atc_rail.lua:86
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19:52 independent56 thats intresting
19:52 independent56 lemme test it
19:55 independent56 im adding this to the wiki!
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20:03 independent56 what do you think?
20:03 independent56 https://advtrains.de/wiki/doku.php?id=usage:atlatc:api&amp;do=diff
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20:08 independent56 <@603283606894280704>
20:11 MTDiscord <y5nw> independent56: "wagon" is not a length unit like meter or inch
20:12 independent56 oh... you fix it (thats the way wikis work) /qj
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20:16 independent56 thx
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20:28 independent56 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/826159362225209406/847209602546532362/Screenshot_from_2021-05-26_21-26-25.png?width=1081&amp;height=608
20:28 independent56 advtrains is great for meat farms
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20:38 logger56 independent56:
20:39 logger56 fucking hell thats horrible
20:39 logger56 i wish i wssnt cursed to share the same body s 56independent
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20:58 independent56 wait
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20:58 logger56 why did you do that thunderbird?
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21:29 loofer What is the difference between minetest.net and minetest.org
21:30 \ minetest.org isn't an official website, AFAIK
21:30 calcul0n loofer, minetest.net is the real one, the other should not be trusted
21:31 calcul0n (the real answer is a long story :)
21:31 \ hah, just scrolled to the bottom and saw oldcoder's name
21:32 loofer Okay,  I think minetest.org said something about minetest final being better than minetest 5.0
21:32 sfan5 the software offered by the other website is a fork of an outdated state of Minetest; the person running the other site is no longer part of our community due to continued threats and personal harassment
21:32 sfan5 that's about as short as it gets while covering all you need to know
21:33 loofer Ok, thanks!
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