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00:00 AntumDeluge I'm looking at VanessaE's lavalamp from the homedecor modpack. I've been changing the value of "use_texture_alpha" between "opaque", "blend", & "clip" but I don't see any differences. Is there a setting that I am missing in the client to enable transparency?
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00:03 AntumDeluge Maybe that particular doesn't actually have any transparent pixel.
00:03 AntumDeluge *particular node...
00:04 entuland if you're doing that to fix warnings, it's likely just some transparent area unused by the model itself (the transparent part may be outside of the UV mapping)
00:05 entuland I got plenty of those on my mods
00:05 AntumDeluge Ya, changing the deprecated "use_texture_alpha = true"
00:05 entuland the first occurrence of that warning should mention that it may be outside the used area
00:06 entuland the game doesn't seem to check whether it makes a difference or not (it may be even unable to, as it may be under the control of the irrlicht engine, can't tell)
00:12 AntumDeluge I was right, the lavalamp doesn't have any (semi-)transparent pixels.
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06:48 Emerald2 whereis joe
06:49 Emerald2 Oops.
06:49 Emerald2 Haha sorry should have read where I was typing first. :D
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15:17 pgimeno @staff, freenode may be turning into nonfreenode - I'd suggest to elaborate a plan for moving
15:18 Krock is there any official news in this regard?
15:20 pgimeno it's possible that there will never be
15:21 pgimeno https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48
15:23 MTDiscord <Kimapr> there's also this, probably not official or anything though: https://p.haavard.me/407
15:25 pgimeno as far as K know that's a draft and not effective yet
15:25 pgimeno I*
15:27 pgimeno <kline> kurahaupo, let me be super clear, no one has resigned, these letters are unpublished drafts that are not reflective of the situation
15:28 pgimeno and in fact only two of the links work
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15:31 pgimeno but it's a fact that christel has been suspended, /msg nickserv info christel
15:34 sfan5 planning anything now is premature
15:43 MTDiscord <Jordach> easiest method would've been ejecting the offender immediately
15:44 MTDiscord <Jordach> with great power comes great responsibility
15:45 celeron55 it appears an outsider has legal ownership, you can't just eject that
15:45 celeron55 based on those two texts
15:48 celeron55 plan for moving is, we have plenty of sites and groups outside freenode for communicating a move to anything, no need to panic
15:49 celeron55 if freenode goes down, staff decisions will happen either by email, on the forum or on matrix
15:49 celeron55 (or even github)
15:49 pgimeno and that's a reasonable plan :)
15:56 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Guess I should prepare to potentially need a Matrix bridge ;p
15:59 celeron55 and of course the IRC channels will likely move to something else the real freenode staff presents, however so far this could be just fake news and there have been no inconveniences to MT
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16:24 pgimeno celeron55: certainly not fake news, although the situation is not clear. The line I quoted from kline is taken by me directly from #freenode, rasengan has confirmed to me that he is github.com/realrasengan and he is apparently the owner of the Freenode Limited company.
16:24 pgimeno join #freenode if interested
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16:30 benrob0329 this whole thing is a big yikes ngl
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17:26 rubenwardy Wtf even
17:28 benrob0329 #freenode is both highly entertaining and legitimately concerning to read right now.
17:28 rubenwardy mildly concerning
17:29 rubenwardy if we have to abandon ship, I'd suggest matrix over another IRC instance
17:30 benrob0329 It appears that the situation with staff members resigning isn't quite what the links being passed around would lead you to believe
17:30 rubenwardy yeah, there's a draft disclaiming. They probably should have put them behind basic auth
17:31 benrob0329 Some got leaked from what I can tell
17:31 benrob0329 So best to have an official source than just a rumor I suppose
17:31 specing Speaking of non-free, when are you planning to abandon GitHub and Discord?
17:32 rubenwardy we don't own Discord
17:32 rubenwardy as in, the Discord server is ran independently
17:32 specing you don't own Freenode, either
17:32 rubenwardy no, but we own these channels
17:32 rubenwardy "own" being the wrong word
17:33 specing and be careful when speaking of "Discord server", because what their marketing refers to as a server is actually just a room on their own servers
17:33 rubenwardy 👍
17:33 benrob0329 RE Matrix: I don't know whether it's best for official stuff yet. Synapse (the older, most mature server implementation) is a major piece of work, and Dendrite (the better rewrite in Go) wasn't making a ton of progress last I saw (it's been a while though so someone should verify this if I don't)
17:34 benrob0329 Combine that with mostly incomplete or badly-designed clients and I still have mixed feeling about relying on it
17:34 benrob0329 I absolutely support having it as an option (I admin the MT Matrix community after all) but if I'm being honest it still has a ways to go as a platform
17:35 specing Matrix is mess of javascript requiring a supercomputer to render text
17:35 benrob0329 Well, no
17:35 benrob0329 Element, sure
17:35 benrob0329 Matrix is just the protocol + wider community
17:35 specing XMPP works pretty well
17:35 benrob0329 Well...also no, but kind of
17:36 benrob0329 XMPP is a mess in different ways
17:38 benrob0329 Between competing XEPs, overcomplicated standards, and clients which are either dead, undergoing UI reworks, or are majorly incomplete, XMPP is just as much of a mess as every other slightly aged protocol (just with less community than IRC and IRCv3 pushing to improve it)
17:39 benrob0329 I suppose there are no good options, but it's worth noting that the Freenode Staff have helped MT in times past and seem like reasonable peeople. Seeing what they do would be my recommendation
17:39 MTDiscord <Kimapr> specing: weechat-matrix disagrees
17:40 specing I used weechat-matrix in the past but stopped, not sure why
17:40 specing probably wasn't impressed
17:40 benrob0329 As of right now though, the situation is still unclear and doing anything rash is a bad idea
17:41 specing I support doing something about github and discord
17:41 benrob0329 weechat-matrix works, but it was slow (due to the way weechat works) and won't be much better than any other weechat backend, because it's weechat
17:41 specing I don't know about freenode, but it can be dealt with after they've been proprietary for a decade. Which is about the time the github problem has been not seen and ignored
17:42 specing and how many, 5? years for discord
17:42 benrob0329 Discord is an official community, but MT doesn't rely on it and the project won't be hurt if it goes away
17:45 benrob0329 Github isn't going away either, and hasn't done anything hostile so far. While I personally fall back on Gitlab because I like using FOSS to support FOSS, I don't see an absolute need to run away from Github.
17:46 benrob0329 That being said, Reddit stopped being FOSS too and (from an outsider's perspective) has only gotten more and more corporate over the years.
17:46 MTDiscord <Kimapr> reddit was open sauce?
17:47 benrob0329 Long time ago
17:47 rubenwardy https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit
17:48 benrob0329 See also: https://fossbytes.com/reddit-open-source-code-closed-reason/
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