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AntumDeluge |
I'm looking at VanessaE's lavalamp from the homedecor modpack. I've been changing the value of "use_texture_alpha" between "opaque", "blend", & "clip" but I don't see any differences. Is there a setting that I am missing in the client to enable transparency? |
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AntumDeluge |
Maybe that particular doesn't actually have any transparent pixel. |
| 00:03 |
AntumDeluge |
*particular node... |
| 00:04 |
entuland |
if you're doing that to fix warnings, it's likely just some transparent area unused by the model itself (the transparent part may be outside of the UV mapping) |
| 00:05 |
entuland |
I got plenty of those on my mods |
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AntumDeluge |
Ya, changing the deprecated "use_texture_alpha = true" |
| 00:05 |
entuland |
the first occurrence of that warning should mention that it may be outside the used area |
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entuland |
the game doesn't seem to check whether it makes a difference or not (it may be even unable to, as it may be under the control of the irrlicht engine, can't tell) |
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AntumDeluge |
I was right, the lavalamp doesn't have any (semi-)transparent pixels. |
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Emerald2 |
whereis joe |
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Emerald2 |
Oops. |
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Emerald2 |
Haha sorry should have read where I was typing first. :D |
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pgimeno |
@staff, freenode may be turning into nonfreenode - I'd suggest to elaborate a plan for moving |
| 15:18 |
Krock |
is there any official news in this regard? |
| 15:20 |
pgimeno |
it's possible that there will never be |
| 15:21 |
pgimeno |
https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48 |
| 15:23 |
MTDiscord |
<Kimapr> there's also this, probably not official or anything though: https://p.haavard.me/407 |
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pgimeno |
as far as K know that's a draft and not effective yet |
| 15:25 |
pgimeno |
I* |
| 15:27 |
pgimeno |
<kline> kurahaupo, let me be super clear, no one has resigned, these letters are unpublished drafts that are not reflective of the situation |
| 15:28 |
pgimeno |
and in fact only two of the links work |
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| 15:31 |
pgimeno |
but it's a fact that christel has been suspended, /msg nickserv info christel |
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sfan5 |
planning anything now is premature |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> easiest method would've been ejecting the offender immediately |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> with great power comes great responsibility |
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celeron55 |
it appears an outsider has legal ownership, you can't just eject that |
| 15:45 |
celeron55 |
based on those two texts |
| 15:48 |
celeron55 |
plan for moving is, we have plenty of sites and groups outside freenode for communicating a move to anything, no need to panic |
| 15:49 |
celeron55 |
if freenode goes down, staff decisions will happen either by email, on the forum or on matrix |
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celeron55 |
(or even github) |
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pgimeno |
and that's a reasonable plan :) |
| 15:56 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Guess I should prepare to potentially need a Matrix bridge ;p |
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celeron55 |
and of course the IRC channels will likely move to something else the real freenode staff presents, however so far this could be just fake news and there have been no inconveniences to MT |
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pgimeno |
celeron55: certainly not fake news, although the situation is not clear. The line I quoted from kline is taken by me directly from #freenode, rasengan has confirmed to me that he is github.com/realrasengan and he is apparently the owner of the Freenode Limited company. |
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pgimeno |
join #freenode if interested |
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benrob0329 |
this whole thing is a big yikes ngl |
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rubenwardy |
Wtf even |
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benrob0329 |
#freenode is both highly entertaining and legitimately concerning to read right now. |
| 17:28 |
rubenwardy |
mildly concerning |
| 17:29 |
rubenwardy |
if we have to abandon ship, I'd suggest matrix over another IRC instance |
| 17:30 |
benrob0329 |
It appears that the situation with staff members resigning isn't quite what the links being passed around would lead you to believe |
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rubenwardy |
yeah, there's a draft disclaiming. They probably should have put them behind basic auth |
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benrob0329 |
Some got leaked from what I can tell |
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benrob0329 |
So best to have an official source than just a rumor I suppose |
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specing |
Speaking of non-free, when are you planning to abandon GitHub and Discord? |
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rubenwardy |
we don't own Discord |
| 17:32 |
rubenwardy |
as in, the Discord server is ran independently |
| 17:32 |
specing |
you don't own Freenode, either |
| 17:32 |
rubenwardy |
no, but we own these channels |
| 17:32 |
rubenwardy |
"own" being the wrong word |
| 17:33 |
specing |
and be careful when speaking of "Discord server", because what their marketing refers to as a server is actually just a room on their own servers |
| 17:33 |
rubenwardy |
? |
| 17:33 |
benrob0329 |
RE Matrix: I don't know whether it's best for official stuff yet. Synapse (the older, most mature server implementation) is a major piece of work, and Dendrite (the better rewrite in Go) wasn't making a ton of progress last I saw (it's been a while though so someone should verify this if I don't) |
| 17:34 |
benrob0329 |
Combine that with mostly incomplete or badly-designed clients and I still have mixed feeling about relying on it |
| 17:34 |
benrob0329 |
I absolutely support having it as an option (I admin the MT Matrix community after all) but if I'm being honest it still has a ways to go as a platform |
| 17:35 |
specing |
Matrix is mess of javascript requiring a supercomputer to render text |
| 17:35 |
benrob0329 |
Well, no |
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benrob0329 |
Element, sure |
| 17:35 |
benrob0329 |
Matrix is just the protocol + wider community |
| 17:35 |
specing |
XMPP works pretty well |
| 17:35 |
benrob0329 |
Well...also no, but kind of |
| 17:36 |
benrob0329 |
XMPP is a mess in different ways |
| 17:38 |
benrob0329 |
Between competing XEPs, overcomplicated standards, and clients which are either dead, undergoing UI reworks, or are majorly incomplete, XMPP is just as much of a mess as every other slightly aged protocol (just with less community than IRC and IRCv3 pushing to improve it) |
| 17:39 |
benrob0329 |
I suppose there are no good options, but it's worth noting that the Freenode Staff have helped MT in times past and seem like reasonable peeople. Seeing what they do would be my recommendation |
| 17:39 |
MTDiscord |
<Kimapr> specing: weechat-matrix disagrees |
| 17:40 |
specing |
I used weechat-matrix in the past but stopped, not sure why |
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specing |
probably wasn't impressed |
| 17:40 |
benrob0329 |
As of right now though, the situation is still unclear and doing anything rash is a bad idea |
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specing |
I support doing something about github and discord |
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benrob0329 |
weechat-matrix works, but it was slow (due to the way weechat works) and won't be much better than any other weechat backend, because it's weechat |
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specing |
I don't know about freenode, but it can be dealt with after they've been proprietary for a decade. Which is about the time the github problem has been not seen and ignored |
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specing |
and how many, 5? years for discord |
| 17:42 |
benrob0329 |
Discord is an official community, but MT doesn't rely on it and the project won't be hurt if it goes away |
| 17:45 |
benrob0329 |
Github isn't going away either, and hasn't done anything hostile so far. While I personally fall back on Gitlab because I like using FOSS to support FOSS, I don't see an absolute need to run away from Github. |
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benrob0329 |
That being said, Reddit stopped being FOSS too and (from an outsider's perspective) has only gotten more and more corporate over the years. |
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MTDiscord |
<Kimapr> reddit was open sauce? |
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benrob0329 |
Long time ago |
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rubenwardy |
https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit |
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benrob0329 |
See also: https://fossbytes.com/reddit-open-source-code-closed-reason/ |
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