Time Nick Message 00:00 AntumDeluge I'm looking at VanessaE's lavalamp from the homedecor modpack. I've been changing the value of "use_texture_alpha" between "opaque", "blend", & "clip" but I don't see any differences. Is there a setting that I am missing in the client to enable transparency? 00:03 AntumDeluge Maybe that particular doesn't actually have any transparent pixel. 00:03 AntumDeluge *particular node... 00:04 entuland if you're doing that to fix warnings, it's likely just some transparent area unused by the model itself (the transparent part may be outside of the UV mapping) 00:05 entuland I got plenty of those on my mods 00:05 AntumDeluge Ya, changing the deprecated "use_texture_alpha = true" 00:05 entuland the first occurrence of that warning should mention that it may be outside the used area 00:06 entuland the game doesn't seem to check whether it makes a difference or not (it may be even unable to, as it may be under the control of the irrlicht engine, can't tell) 00:12 AntumDeluge I was right, the lavalamp doesn't have any (semi-)transparent pixels. 06:48 Emerald2 whereis joe 06:49 Emerald2 Oops. 06:49 Emerald2 Haha sorry should have read where I was typing first. :D 15:17 pgimeno @staff, freenode may be turning into nonfreenode - I'd suggest to elaborate a plan for moving 15:18 Krock is there any official news in this regard? 15:20 pgimeno it's possible that there will never be 15:21 pgimeno https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48 15:23 MTDiscord there's also this, probably not official or anything though: https://p.haavard.me/407 15:25 pgimeno as far as K know that's a draft and not effective yet 15:25 pgimeno I* 15:27 pgimeno kurahaupo, let me be super clear, no one has resigned, these letters are unpublished drafts that are not reflective of the situation 15:28 pgimeno and in fact only two of the links work 15:31 pgimeno but it's a fact that christel has been suspended, /msg nickserv info christel 15:34 sfan5 planning anything now is premature 15:43 MTDiscord easiest method would've been ejecting the offender immediately 15:44 MTDiscord with great power comes great responsibility 15:45 celeron55 it appears an outsider has legal ownership, you can't just eject that 15:45 celeron55 based on those two texts 15:48 celeron55 plan for moving is, we have plenty of sites and groups outside freenode for communicating a move to anything, no need to panic 15:49 celeron55 if freenode goes down, staff decisions will happen either by email, on the forum or on matrix 15:49 celeron55 (or even github) 15:49 pgimeno and that's a reasonable plan :) 15:56 MTDiscord Guess I should prepare to potentially need a Matrix bridge ;p 15:59 celeron55 and of course the IRC channels will likely move to something else the real freenode staff presents, however so far this could be just fake news and there have been no inconveniences to MT 16:24 pgimeno celeron55: certainly not fake news, although the situation is not clear. The line I quoted from kline is taken by me directly from #freenode, rasengan has confirmed to me that he is github.com/realrasengan and he is apparently the owner of the Freenode Limited company. 16:24 pgimeno join #freenode if interested 16:30 benrob0329 this whole thing is a big yikes ngl 17:26 rubenwardy Wtf even 17:28 benrob0329 #freenode is both highly entertaining and legitimately concerning to read right now. 17:28 rubenwardy mildly concerning 17:29 rubenwardy if we have to abandon ship, I'd suggest matrix over another IRC instance 17:30 benrob0329 It appears that the situation with staff members resigning isn't quite what the links being passed around would lead you to believe 17:30 rubenwardy yeah, there's a draft disclaiming. They probably should have put them behind basic auth 17:31 benrob0329 Some got leaked from what I can tell 17:31 benrob0329 So best to have an official source than just a rumor I suppose 17:31 specing Speaking of non-free, when are you planning to abandon GitHub and Discord? 17:32 rubenwardy we don't own Discord 17:32 rubenwardy as in, the Discord server is ran independently 17:32 specing you don't own Freenode, either 17:32 rubenwardy no, but we own these channels 17:32 rubenwardy "own" being the wrong word 17:33 specing and be careful when speaking of "Discord server", because what their marketing refers to as a server is actually just a room on their own servers 17:33 rubenwardy ? 17:33 benrob0329 RE Matrix: I don't know whether it's best for official stuff yet. Synapse (the older, most mature server implementation) is a major piece of work, and Dendrite (the better rewrite in Go) wasn't making a ton of progress last I saw (it's been a while though so someone should verify this if I don't) 17:34 benrob0329 Combine that with mostly incomplete or badly-designed clients and I still have mixed feeling about relying on it 17:34 benrob0329 I absolutely support having it as an option (I admin the MT Matrix community after all) but if I'm being honest it still has a ways to go as a platform 17:35 specing Matrix is mess of javascript requiring a supercomputer to render text 17:35 benrob0329 Well, no 17:35 benrob0329 Element, sure 17:35 benrob0329 Matrix is just the protocol + wider community 17:35 specing XMPP works pretty well 17:35 benrob0329 Well...also no, but kind of 17:36 benrob0329 XMPP is a mess in different ways 17:38 benrob0329 Between competing XEPs, overcomplicated standards, and clients which are either dead, undergoing UI reworks, or are majorly incomplete, XMPP is just as much of a mess as every other slightly aged protocol (just with less community than IRC and IRCv3 pushing to improve it) 17:39 benrob0329 I suppose there are no good options, but it's worth noting that the Freenode Staff have helped MT in times past and seem like reasonable peeople. Seeing what they do would be my recommendation 17:39 MTDiscord specing: weechat-matrix disagrees 17:40 specing I used weechat-matrix in the past but stopped, not sure why 17:40 specing probably wasn't impressed 17:40 benrob0329 As of right now though, the situation is still unclear and doing anything rash is a bad idea 17:41 specing I support doing something about github and discord 17:41 benrob0329 weechat-matrix works, but it was slow (due to the way weechat works) and won't be much better than any other weechat backend, because it's weechat 17:41 specing I don't know about freenode, but it can be dealt with after they've been proprietary for a decade. Which is about the time the github problem has been not seen and ignored 17:42 specing and how many, 5? years for discord 17:42 benrob0329 Discord is an official community, but MT doesn't rely on it and the project won't be hurt if it goes away 17:45 benrob0329 Github isn't going away either, and hasn't done anything hostile so far. While I personally fall back on Gitlab because I like using FOSS to support FOSS, I don't see an absolute need to run away from Github. 17:46 benrob0329 That being said, Reddit stopped being FOSS too and (from an outsider's perspective) has only gotten more and more corporate over the years. 17:46 MTDiscord reddit was open sauce? 17:47 benrob0329 Long time ago 17:47 rubenwardy https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit 17:48 benrob0329 See also: https://fossbytes.com/reddit-open-source-code-closed-reason/