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00:10 MTDiscord <Jonathon> servers that use something like chat3 are greatly appreciated, makes pms and some other stuff green to stand out
00:16 cheapie Jonathon: It's possible to manipulate the chat colors and stuff on the client side too - "chat6" is an old client mod I made to do that a while back, and recently fixed so it works with modern clients again: https://cheapiesystems.com/git/chat6
00:17 MTDiscord <Jonathon> well yes, but most servers disallow csms and take a dim view of you patching your client to do so
00:18 cheapie Huh, can't say I've ever seen a server that totally blocked (as opposed to just restricting) CSMs.
00:18 TommyTreasure Jonathon, does your chat6 allow for the client to make up for color blindness issues?
00:18 MTDiscord <Jonathon> :thonking: chat6 is not my mod, but cheapies
00:18 TommyTreasure meaning, configuring
00:19 MTDiscord <Jonathon> and its a csm
00:19 TommyTreasure i knew that, but i had read you made the latest changes.  sorry
00:19 MTDiscord <Jonathon> i have never commited anything to chat6 lol
00:19 cheapie I'm the only one that's ever done anything with chat6 (not to be confused with chat3 or any other numbers) :P
00:20 TommyTreasure i haven't used anything other than default, but i did add mt.conf to strip colors in chat
00:20 cheapie I called it "chat6" because it's meant to make the chat look sorta like HexChat - does timestamping, nick coloring (same algorithm as HexChat so it picks the same colors), and highlighting.
00:20 TommyTreasure i almost lost a great moderator over that, but in the end, he passed away.,  sad day
00:21 smallfoot- It's nice with patches and mods, but its even nicer when things just work well out-of-the-box
00:21 TommyTreasure minetes is all about the mods
00:21 cheapie Does require that the server allows CSMs, but des
00:21 cheapie Does require that the server allows CSMs, but doesn't require any special access.
00:22 TommyTreasure i think my conf is set for the default csm restrictions.  can't remember
00:22 smallfoot- mods is great for advanced users, but we casual players don't care for mods, we just want a good experience
00:22 TommyTreasure mods are super simple to install and configure in single player mode
00:23 cheapie smallfoot-: Unfortunately the devs seem to disagree with that, with the whole thing as branding it as "just an engine".
00:23 TommyTreasure if it weren't for the mods, every minetest server would be exactly alike
00:23 TommyTreasure makes for a boring game, don't you think?
00:23 VanessaE if it weren't for mods, every server would consist of nothing but unknown nodes :P
00:24 TommyTreasure lol, and some mods do the same thing  LOL
00:24 cheapie VanessaE: I think air is built-in. You get air. :P
00:24 VanessaE well yeah
00:25 MTDiscord <Jonathon> well, technically minetest games exists but they are collections of mods
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00:37 smallfoot- maybe minetest is great for devs, ops and long time players, but for casuals it sucks. I don't care about mods, I play on "Catlandia", why? because its the first entry in the world list.
00:37 smallfoot- when my friends login, or out, I have no idea if they are on, because there is no VIP list where you can add your buddies
00:38 smallfoot- on WhatsApp, Discord, Facebook Messenger, you can open a private conversation with someone, super easy, in Minetest its very difficult, you cant open a PM window/tab, you have to write their name always
00:38 smallfoot- i want to find my friend, or my friend wants to find me, but we got no idea how to find each other in this huge world, there is no beacon or way to find each other
00:39 TommyTreasure you're commenting in the wrong place
00:39 smallfoot- i get stuck in some place and cant get out, i get frustrated, i have no idea how to escape
00:39 smallfoot- there are supposedly a bunch of commands, but i don't know about them, when i type / and press <tab> key, there is no autocompletion
00:40 TommyTreasure besides, if you're experienced enough to join an irc channel, then you should have no problems learning your way around the minetest keyboard shortcuts
00:40 TommyTreasure try typing the first letter of their name first, then press tab
00:40 smallfoot- its hard, it takes time, i have to google, i have to come here and ask, i shoudln't have to, i should just be able to play
00:41 smallfoot- then i hae to type their first letters and tab every time, on IRC i just open a PM window and its so much easier to write
00:41 TommyTreasure there are tons of "let's play" videos on youtube. i'm sure one or more will help you find what you need
00:41 smallfoot- because the chat is transparent with no background, its very hard to see the text
00:41 TommyTreasure i have an idea!  write your own minetest client!
00:42 smallfoot- yeah, but i feel like this game is too hard and too noob-unfriendly, you sholdn't hae to do research and homework just to play a game, games are suppose to be fun
00:42 smallfoot- i have no idea how to code, im a gamer not a programmer
00:42 VanessaE or here's an idea: file an issue about it.  make an official feature request
00:42 smallfoot- they should make this game so its user friendly even for 5 year olds
00:42 VanessaE no.
00:43 VanessaE sure as fuck not aiming at 5 year olds (or generically, children)
00:43 TommyTreasure ok, let's be truthful. i have 7 and 8 year old players, that have never played minetest, or any other game like it, and they blow the doors off some experienced players.  stop complaining, and start learing
00:43 smallfoot- so then its just minecraft for neckberds and trannies?
00:43 VanessaE trannies?
00:43 VanessaE wut
00:43 TommyTreasure lol
00:44 smallfoot- yeah, no real girls is gonna play a game where they need to do research and homework
00:44 VanessaE ok no
00:44 VanessaE that stops right not
00:44 VanessaE take your bigoted bullshit somewhere else
00:44 TommyTreasure the day you stop learning, is the day your life is over
00:44 smallfoot- was kicked by VanessaE: smallfoot-
00:45 TommyTreasure is there a full moon?
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00:45 VanessaE that's the ONLY warning you get, smallfoot-
00:45 smallfoot- okay
00:45 smallfoot- and there is no user interface for commands, just type commands like unix terminal, its for neckbeards, its not user friendly, maybe you need like learn shell scripting to play the game too
00:46 VanessaE um, no
00:46 smallfoot- so why does it have to be user-unfriendly and hard for casual gamers who just wanna play without do research?
00:46 VanessaE my servers have plenty of kids and they seem to have no trouble figuring out how to play
00:47 smallfoot- maybe they're not kids, maybe they're midgets with beards playing on freebsd
00:47 smallfoot- they're just roleplaying as kids
00:47 VanessaE ok no
00:47 VanessaE wtf is wrong with you
00:47 smallfoot- im just a casual gamer want to play and have fun
00:47 TommyTreasure smallfoot-, you were smart enough to find how to cloak your nick at freenode. please learn how to play the game
00:47 smallfoot- and this game is difficult and alienating
00:47 smallfoot- its not inclusive to casual gamers
00:48 VanessaE yeah and it's not inclusive to gamers who want blood guts and gore
00:48 VanessaE or gamers who want to race cars
00:48 smallfoot- yeah because I spent all my research time learning IRC, so i don't have research time over to learn how to play a game, i just want to play it and have fun
00:48 VanessaE or gamers who want to go around gobbling glowing dots and multi-colored ghosts.
00:48 TommyTreasure hey, i have all those things on my server!!!
00:49 smallfoot- well there might be some server which has a mod for that
00:49 sfan5 i'll say this: servers have the ability to provide many of the features you ask for right now, this is not on minetest because it's just an engine
00:49 smallfoot- so the i have to try out all 1000 servers to find one that doesn't suck?
00:49 sfan5 and before you say that it should be built-in: no, every feature under the sun cannot possibly be shipped with it
00:49 VanessaE mods are a core principle of a lot of online games, smallfoot-
00:49 VanessaE you just know them better as downloadable content, DLC>
00:49 TommyTreasure yes smallfoot- you need to play all the servers until you find the ones you like
00:50 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> every server owner should know some basic shell commands
00:50 smallfoot- yeah, mods are great for adding new in-game content like games modes like CTF, survival, hide-and-seek, new monsters, new textures, etc... but things like having a good chat system, autocompletion for commands should be in core, not with mods
00:50 TommyTreasure smallfoot-, doesn't seem to be an admin. just a frustrated gamer that is too lazy to learn the basics of minetest
00:50 sfan5 command autocompetion is one of the exceptions to this
00:51 smallfoot- TommyTreasure, yes, i am not an admin, im an casual gamer, a noob
00:51 VanessaE TommyTreasure: you know, now I wonder if anyone's ever done that -- made dots-and-ghosts i.e. Pac-man happen :)
00:51 TommyTreasure don't you have a casino mod?  if so, one of these days i have to try it
00:51 VanessaE sorta
00:51 smallfoot- VanessaE, DLC is new levels, new characters, new quests, not basic client functionality
00:51 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> casino mod eh?
00:51 VanessaE mini-slots its called.  has two machines
00:52 VanessaE smallfoot-: yeah and what do you think mods do on minetest?
00:52 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> i'm going to have to rate it an M because there is gambling in it
00:52 TommyTreasure cool, i still have to stop at my tetris machines
00:52 smallfoot- want to use mouse? get a mod! want to jump? get a mod! want to chat? get a mod! want to walk? get a mod!
00:52 VanessaE smallfoot-: knock it off
00:53 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> that hyperbole makes no sense
00:53 TommyTreasure want to play a computer game, don't buy a bicycle
00:53 smallfoot- minetest would better with sane default
00:53 TommyTreasure we all think you should have stayed with angry birds
00:54 smallfoot- and graphical window to pick a command, or auto-completion of commands
00:54 smallfoot- yeah, i really liked angry birds, it was fun
00:54 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> is it that hard to type a few characters?
00:54 TommyTreasure for some, i guess it is
00:54 TommyTreasure alexa doesn't work as a core dev any longer
00:54 smallfoot- I don't know which characters to type, I don't know any commands
00:54 VanessaE smallfoot-: yeah no one's gonna cater to your laziness.
00:54 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> that's what /help is for
00:55 TommyTreasure omg! that's 6 whole keystrokes to do that
00:55 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> that's what docs are for
00:55 VanessaE and there's a webpage on the wiki the describes the commands, is there not?
00:55 smallfoot- I don't want to read no docs, i don't care about docs, i have no interest in docs, im a gamer, if i wanted to read something, i would read Harry Potter
00:55 VanessaE then piss off.
00:55 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> double negative detected
00:56 TommyTreasure smallfoot-, did you know that if you delete all the readme.txt files on your computer, you could save disk space?
00:56 smallfoot- yeah im gonna play roblox and minecraft instead, then you can just play and have fun and not have to do research and read manuals
00:56 VanessaE NO ONE is gonna help you if you don't want to even look at the most basic of documentation, which NEARLY ALL GAMES came with when I was growing up
00:56 TommyTreasure ah, tower topler on my c-64 was great!
00:56 smallfoot- you grew up the 1800 century
00:56 smallfoot- i have ADHD, i cant read
00:56 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> that's impossible
00:56 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> nobody can live that long
00:56 VanessaE I grew up in the 1980's, smallfoot-
00:56 TommyTreasure and i'm deaf dumb and blind.  Tommy -- The Who
00:57 smallfoot- which means you are OLD
00:57 VanessaE when microcomputers were just getting their start
00:57 smallfoot- and you built your own computer
00:57 VanessaE I'm only 47, I'm not THAT damn old.
00:57 smallfoot- and glued it together
00:57 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> people still build their own computers
00:57 smallfoot- and it has a screen resolution of 16x16 pixels
00:57 VanessaE 320x200 actually.
00:57 VanessaE knock off the hyperbole.
00:57 TommyTreasure yeah, but now we use duck tape and glue sticks to fix them
00:58 smallfoot- times change, gaming is not only for neckberds, its for casual gamers too now
00:58 VanessaE TommyTreasure: wait, you've been helping Opar fix his 3d printer? ;)
00:58 TommyTreasure lmao
00:58 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> does "casual gamers" mean "complete blockheads" in your definition?
00:58 VanessaE smallfoot-: well if all you want is tap-and-drool gaming, go look up something on your favorite app store.
00:58 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> piano tiles 4
00:58 smallfoot- i don't know what "complete blockheads" mean, but im stupid
00:58 TommyTreasure he needs a visit from one of the microsoft repair call centers
00:59 TommyTreasure sorry, that was low
00:59 TommyTreasure but worth it
00:59 smallfoot- yeha, im gonan play roblox and minecraft, then you can just have fun, this minetest game is only for neckberds
00:59 TommyTreasure ya know, if you had said that on my server, you would have been banned
00:59 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> roblox is just the right level for you
01:00 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> where all the drooling 8 year olds on iPads dwell
01:00 smallfoot- and on minetest you have to register an account on every server which sucks, on discord you can just register and account and go to any server
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01:00 VanessaE THAT is a per-server decision
01:00 smallfoot- oh, i didn't know
01:00 VanessaE not all servers demand passwords.
01:01 TommyTreasure oh man, i'll have to report that registration thing to the core dev team. they'll just have to fix that just for you
01:01 VanessaE mine do because I don't want idiots taking over each others' accounts.
01:01 smallfoot- imagine if you could buy a house in minetest with bitcoins
01:02 TommyTreasure you can. how much do you want to spend?
01:02 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> a dirt house starts at 5 bitcoins
01:02 VanessaE haha
01:02 smallfoot- 0 i dont have any bitcoins only fortnite coins
01:02 TommyTreasure man, that's way too cheap
01:02 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> i believe in discount stores
01:03 TommyTreasure discount stores are for those that know how to read advertisements
01:03 TommyTreasure that's way too much work for a casual gamer.
01:03 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> what if you're too tired to move your head to look at the advert?
01:03 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> lol
01:03 smallfoot- imagine if there was a bank in minetest
01:03 TommyTreasure i want to know why i have to actually push the power button on my computer to make it work
01:03 VanessaE there is.
01:03 VanessaE there are *gasp* mods that implement money, banks, trading
01:03 TommyTreasure it should know that when i sit in my chair, i'm there to play on it
01:04 smallfoot- is Catlandia the best world?
01:04 VanessaE I maintain such a mod.  a bit primitive maybe, but it works.
01:04 TommyTreasure catlandia isn't a minetest server
01:04 smallfoot- its not? i play on it
01:04 TommyTreasure its a multicraft server
01:04 smallfoot- oh, i dont know what multicraft is
01:04 TommyTreasure good
01:04 VanessaE idk about catlandia.  my servers are good imho
01:04 TommyTreasure i could be wrong, and if so, sorry
01:05 smallfoot- you say ur server is good only cuz its urs? or u played others and knows urs tehe better one?
01:05 VanessaE servers.  plural
01:05 VanessaE I run 8 of them, with varying content,
01:05 TommyTreasure from servers.minetest.net -- CatLandia [0.4 OR 5.0+]
01:05 VanessaE but they aren't for the likes of you, smallfoot-.  they require you to read the rules and learn how to play.
01:05 smallfoot- i guess it doesnt matter what server you play on, they're only neckberds on all of them
01:05 smallfoot- yeah, im not gonna read any rules to play a game
01:05 TommyTreasure in my book, that makes it a multicraft server
01:05 smallfoot- i just click I AGREE without reading
01:06 VanessaE you can't.
01:06 VanessaE that doesn't work on mine :P
01:06 smallfoot- why not?
01:06 smallfoot- it has a test?
01:06 TommyTreasure perfect noob for my server.  might last about 1 minute before a moderator banned them
01:06 smallfoot- that you need to pass?
01:06 VanessaE it requires you to read the rules, find the keyword, and use THAT to "agree"
01:06 smallfoot- TommyTreasure, so its a neckberd-only-server?
01:06 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> imagine clicking I AGREE on a form to sell your soul without reading
01:07 TommyTreasure you seem to be the real neckberd here
01:07 TommyTreasure if you don't read any of the rules on my server, you wouldn't be able to get out of spawn
01:07 smallfoot- im not the one reading the docs LOL
01:07 VanessaE and the keyword is randomized from a list every time someone looks at the rules dialog, so it can't just be given out to people
01:07 VanessaE as for best server?  back in the day, redcrab.suret.net was the best. hands down.
01:07 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> guess what? the most efficient way to get information is reading
01:07 TommyTreasure i can just their first comment -- why is everything here protected? where can i build?
01:08 VanessaE and I definitely didn't run that one :P
01:08 MTDiscord <Jonathon> lol, forums are 504'ing atm
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01:08 smallfoot- i never built anything, i just run around and look at things, then i get stuck somewhere and dont know what to do
01:08 MTDiscord <Jonathon> well, 504 or load, 50 50 chance
01:09 smallfoot- then i ask in the chat if someone can help me
01:09 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> maybe if you read the rules and info you could save yourself some time
01:09 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> just a suggestion
01:09 VanessaE John: they got attacked and kinda don't seem to have weathered it too well
01:09 TommyTreasure smallfoot-, is your game nickname Subway by any chance?
01:09 smallfoot- no
01:09 smallfoot- and i only play on Catlandia
01:09 TommyTreasure you sound just like a player i banned yesterday
01:10 TommyTreasure then why are you here complaining?  go play catlandia
01:10 smallfoot- maybe it was just a boy who wanted to play and have fun
01:10 smallfoot- not have to go by ur dictatorship rules
01:10 smallfoot- and ban playrs who dont do this, dont do that
01:10 VanessaE life is full of rules, smallfoot-
01:10 VanessaE get used to it.
01:10 smallfoot- yeah, hitler had a lot of rules too
01:10 TommyTreasure ya know, i built my server with rock and roll.  oh wait that was a song
01:10 smallfoot- nobody liked him
01:10 smallfoot- was kicked by VanessaE: smallfoot-
01:11 TommyTreasure +1 that one was way overboard
01:11 VanessaE TommyTreasure: well, at least some unnamed *city* was built on rock & roll :)
01:11 TommyTreasure i always liked that tune, even though the group didn't care for it
01:12 VanessaE a number of radio stations had their own version of it too
01:13 VanessaE they'd dub-in their own DJ jabber in place of the bridge
01:14 TommyTreasure same out here. but i still liked the song
01:16 TommyTreasure glad you banned him. my pulse just shot to over 130
01:17 MTDiscord <VanessaE> folks here know I don't pull out the ban hammer often
01:17 MTDiscord <VanessaE> but that guy just crossed the line
01:18 TommyTreasure their last comment was the straw for me.
01:18 TommyTreasure when that comment was posted, i had to raise my o2 to 5 l/min
01:18 MTDiscord <VanessaE> haha
01:19 timdorohin VanessaE: lol
01:19 TommyTreasure << seriously. i just came home from emergency a few days ago from breathing issues
01:19 VanessaE and no one noticed that I keep swapping between
01:19 MTDiscord <VanessaE> IRC and discord, just as a little joke?
01:19 timdorohin VanessaE: i think we need a bot for godwin's law auto-ban
01:19 VanessaE just to take the edge off :)
01:20 MTDiscord <Jonathon> i did, i just didnt think it was worth commenting on
01:20 TommyTreasure i almost switched to my alternate nick -- StinkFoot
01:22 TommyTreasure but i have to take 20 lashes from a friend. they think i may have triggered some bad vibes from them.  if so, i'm sorry
01:22 MTDiscord <VanessaE> heh
01:23 TommyTreasure Johathon, i'm way to onery to do that LOL
01:23 MTDiscord <Jonathon> ......?
01:24 TommyTreasure to not comment to a lazy player
01:24 MTDiscord <Jonathon> ah, i was actually responding to this "and no one noticed that I keep swapping between"
01:24 VanessaE my work here is done :)
01:25 TommyTreasure too eary to say g'nite
01:25 TommyTreasure before you go, is slots compatible with 5.x?
01:25 MTDiscord <VanessaE> oh I'm still here.
01:26 MTDiscord <VanessaE> and yes
01:26 TommyTreasure i'm just too lazy to go to github/gitlab to see for myself
01:26 MTDiscord <VanessaE> though it has a couple of very minor positioning errors no doubt due to formspec bugfixes since I wrote it.
01:26 TommyTreasure a lot of mods have formspec issues with 5.x
01:28 MTDiscord <Jonathon> it depends on which versions of 5x you want to support
01:28 MTDiscord <VanessaE> it's nothing significant, just one of the reels is off by like 5px compared to normal
01:28 TommyTreasure speaking of formspecs, my co-admin has an edit for the pipeworks adj, vacuum tube, that makes it easier for mobile devices to use
01:29 TommyTreasure i'm trying to convince them to submit a pr
01:29 timdorohin btw, is there something like 'list of whining and featreqs from MT mod devs' anywhere?
01:29 TommyTreasure yeah, i think they call it the minetest forums
01:29 MTDiscord <Jonathon> lol 😛
01:30 MTDiscord <VanessaE> heh
01:30 timdorohin 'cept from list of closed 'won't add' issues, ofc
01:30 MTDiscord <Jonathon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq86ZgTBSAw&amp;t=6s offtopic, but i semi wish that the other had released more tracks
01:30 MTDiscord <Jonathon> i like there style
01:31 TommyTreasure sounds too mellow
01:31 TommyTreasure i've always loved the tunes that simcity used
01:31 TommyTreasure but, there's a ton of money invested in those too.  not in the minetest budget
01:32 TommyTreasure VanessaE, anyway, my co-admin wrote a formspec that has a 'set' button, so mobile users could actually enter a radius, and make it work
01:33 TommyTreasure seems as if minetest doesn't allow the 'enter' key to display when the keyboard app opens
01:33 MTDiscord <VanessaE> please do file a PR  on that
01:34 TommyTreasure just sent them a pm
01:34 TommyTreasure he's done a few PRs in advancedtrains, and most have been accepted too
02:04 MTDiscord <oneplustwo> if i tried to write a track for minetest, i would be called a boomer XD
02:05 TommyTreasure go for it!  i'm only good for a classic rock feel, or a jazz feel
02:06 TommyTreasure and neither of those is really fitting for minetest
02:06 TommyTreasure then you would have to give license for admins to use it
02:07 TommyTreasure that's way over my current minetest payscale
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05:52 andrew Hmm, how does MTBot send git pushes to the chat?
06:17 cheapie Bleh... upvalues get... interesting at times, and not always in a good way :P
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11:09 sfan5 andrew: it reads the github rss feeds
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11:26 tech_exorcist can I register to the wiki with Tor?
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11:50 sfan5 you can't register to the wiki at all, we have a forum thread for account requests
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14:56 tech_exorcist oh, ok
14:56 tech_exorcist (sorry for my late reply, I just got back)
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15:09 tech_exorcist another question: how do I get rid of objects that are just taking up space in my inventory and chests? for example; I somehow have 50 Wheat Seeds and a whole wheat farm which is more than enough for a single player, so where do I put all those? seeds
15:09 tech_exorcist *:
15:09 MTDiscord <y5nw> Into the trash probably?
15:12 tech_exorcist I'm not in creative mode
15:13 tech_exorcist and I don't see any "trashcan" in the inventory (there is one in creative mode)
15:13 MTDiscord <y5nw> Oh. I think you can just throw the item using the (by default) Q key
15:14 tech_exorcist yes
15:14 tech_exorcist but it stays on the ground
15:16 MTDiscord <y5nw> it will disappear eventually
15:18 tech_exorcist oh
15:18 tech_exorcist thanks! :D
15:20 tech_exorcist I keep some things (such as tree leaves) to use them as furnace fuel
15:41 sfan5 you can also use /pulverize
15:46 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Isn't there a /clearinv that's like /pulverize but for everything in your inventory?  Just put all the good stuff away in chests and take out only the trash, then run that one command.
15:48 MTDiscord <Jonathon> yes
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15:49 MTDiscord <appguru> Pulverize and clearinv should not be a part of builtin
15:52 sfan5 true
15:57 MTDiscord <Warr1024> They're fine as admin tools, but I usually patch them to require a priv.
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16:21 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Yeah, some games might require the inventory to remain untouched e.g. for quest items
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16:39 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Other games may mostly enforce conservation of mass (e.g. NodeCore)
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17:42 tech_exorcist <MTDiscord> <Warr1024> Isn't there a /clearinv that's like /pulverize but for everything in your inventory?  Just put all the good stuff away in chests and take out only the trash, then run that one command. | not a bad idea
17:42 tech_exorcist <sfan5> you can also use /pulverize | let me see if I have it
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17:42 tech_exorcist yep
17:43 tech_exorcist I do have /pulverize
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18:04 Rrixxi hi
18:04 Rrixxi can i adversting my server here i search some peoples ;)
18:05 TommyTreasure i don't know if that's allowed, but its something i would never do
18:05 Rrixxi ok thanks
18:05 rubenwardy You should create a forum topic
18:06 rubenwardy and/or reddit post
18:06 rubenwardy make sure that your server has something unique to offer
18:06 Rrixxi okay thx rubenwardy
18:06 rubenwardy there are a lot of servers compared to players
18:06 Rrixxi on reddit minetest?
18:09 Krock it's not forbidden here, but it's unlikely to find players here
18:09 Krock also reddit.com/r/minetest  or forum.minetest.net/
18:10 TommyTreasure rubenwardy, can you pm me regarding your vps host?  i'm considering a move there
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19:40 tech_exorcist nice /s
19:40 tech_exorcist I just found some mese ore
19:40 tech_exorcist and guess what
19:40 tech_exorcist my inventory is full
19:40 * tech_exorcist /pulverize's something
19:44 tech_exorcist and now I have a mese pickaxe
19:50 absurb has there been any progress on a proper mob system?
19:50 MTDiscord <Jonathon> looks at mobkit
19:50 MTDiscord <Jonathon> i would say so
19:52 absurb what about bots?
19:52 MTDiscord <Jonathon> bots in what context?
19:52 absurb does minetest have any plans for fake clients? if not, i suppose i'll have to try implement it myself
19:53 MTDiscord <Jonathon> see mtbotter
19:53 MTDiscord <Jonathon> or df
19:53 absurb the problem with bots (right now) is that people just create entities that look like players, but they aren't players at all
19:53 absurb this makes means they don't obey the same game rules as real players, and mods will sometimes not recognize bots as players
19:54 absurb server-side fake clients solves this issue entirely, and would be exceptionally useful for people playing with AI, such as symbolic artificial intelligence and deep learning shenanigans
19:55 MTDiscord <Jonathon> some mods make fake players to force load areas with automation
19:55 MTDiscord <Jonathon> i believe digtron does this
19:55 absurb oh!
19:55 MTDiscord <Jonathon> however from experience i can tell you it isnt the most reliable
19:55 absurb can you elaborate what "df" is?
19:56 MTDiscord <Jonathon> well, assume im going to get yelled at, but dragonfire, aka the current "hacked" client for minetest
19:56 absurb oh right
19:56 absurb yeah, fair enough
19:57 absurb ideally i'd like to avoid REAL clients, because they're not very performant
19:57 absurb but looking at the MT code, i don't see any support for fake clients, and i can't find anybody suggesting it or anything
19:58 MTDiscord <Jonathon> im not sure about mtbotter, but i believe it striped graphical output out
19:59 absurb mtbotter may be my best option for now, although i'm definitely dreading the memory and CPU overhead
19:59 MTDiscord <Jonathon> as a client it should only use one or two threads? since it isnt doing its own mapgen
20:00 hlqkj sorry, maybe someone could help: i'm getting a ton of these, any clue what does it mean and/or how to track what the problem is?
20:00 hlqkj WARNING[Server]: active block modifiers took 226ms (processed 117 of 121 active blocks)
20:00 absurb the problem is that it's keeping a duplicate of the game world in memory, which is acceptable if there's only 1 bot, but if i wanted to run up to 16 bots, this would become a real concern
20:00 MTDiscord <Jonathon> and yeah, i would hope mtbotter strips out saving textures in memory
20:01 absurb that said, when i say "world" i mean entities and such, not just nodes
20:01 MTDiscord <Jonathon> hlqky: it means a game/mods using a abm took longer than expected
20:01 absurb i think fake clients should be something to consider adding. real clients pose a real concerns obviously since you can make them join any server, whether the server likes it or not, whereas this isn't a concern for fake clients
20:02 hlqkj ok, that's in line with my guess. but, any way to know which one? skipping the usual advice like "disable all mods and enable one at time" ?
20:03 MTDiscord <Jonathon> if your on linux grep in your mods dir for minetest.register_abm or whatever it is, and then disable those one at a time
20:04 sfan5 I think the profiler can timekeep ABMs
20:04 MTDiscord <Jonathon> if you have some technical experience you can read the code to see what it does and take some more off that list
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20:04 hlqkj the profiler can, i tried that, but dunno how to use that info to know which one is generating the warning
20:05 hlqkj no way to have the engine yelling which ABM caused it to print that warning?
20:06 sfan5 that wouldn't be very useful, the warning occurrs as soon as more than 200ms(?) is taken for ABMs
20:06 sfan5 it would tell you which abm moves the time taken from 190 to 200, but you'd want to know which mod contributed the most to those 200ms
20:07 sfan5 if you have the info from the profiler you can look at which ABMs take the most time
20:07 hlqkj gotcha
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22:23 MinetestBot [git] kilbith -> minetest/minetest: Fix segfault for model[] without animation speed c9eba84 https://git.io/JmFlO (2021-03-21T22:23:30Z)
22:23 MinetestBot [git] Df458 -> minetest/minetest: lua_api.txt: Fix style selector examples afe988d https://git.io/JmFl3 (2021-03-21T22:23:14Z)
22:24 MinetestBot [git] numberZero -> minetest/minetest: Restore minimal normal texture support (for minimap shading) 44ed05d https://git.io/JmFls (2021-03-21T22:22:22Z)
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23:49 DS-minetest how can I find out how much a GenericCAO's mesh's vertex positions are offset?
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