| Time |
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| 00:10 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> servers that use something like chat3 are greatly appreciated, makes pms and some other stuff green to stand out |
| 00:16 |
cheapie |
Jonathon: It's possible to manipulate the chat colors and stuff on the client side too - "chat6" is an old client mod I made to do that a while back, and recently fixed so it works with modern clients again: https://cheapiesystems.com/git/chat6 |
| 00:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> well yes, but most servers disallow csms and take a dim view of you patching your client to do so |
| 00:18 |
cheapie |
Huh, can't say I've ever seen a server that totally blocked (as opposed to just restricting) CSMs. |
| 00:18 |
TommyTreasure |
Jonathon, does your chat6 allow for the client to make up for color blindness issues? |
| 00:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> :thonking: chat6 is not my mod, but cheapies |
| 00:18 |
TommyTreasure |
meaning, configuring |
| 00:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> and its a csm |
| 00:19 |
TommyTreasure |
i knew that, but i had read you made the latest changes. sorry |
| 00:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i have never commited anything to chat6 lol |
| 00:19 |
cheapie |
I'm the only one that's ever done anything with chat6 (not to be confused with chat3 or any other numbers) :P |
| 00:20 |
TommyTreasure |
i haven't used anything other than default, but i did add mt.conf to strip colors in chat |
| 00:20 |
cheapie |
I called it "chat6" because it's meant to make the chat look sorta like HexChat - does timestamping, nick coloring (same algorithm as HexChat so it picks the same colors), and highlighting. |
| 00:20 |
TommyTreasure |
i almost lost a great moderator over that, but in the end, he passed away., sad day |
| 00:21 |
TommyTreasure |
minetes is all about the mods |
| 00:21 |
cheapie |
Does require that the server allows CSMs, but des |
| 00:21 |
cheapie |
Does require that the server allows CSMs, but doesn't require any special access. |
| 00:22 |
TommyTreasure |
i think my conf is set for the default csm restrictions. can't remember |
| 00:22 |
TommyTreasure |
mods are super simple to install and configure in single player mode |
| 00:23 |
cheapie |
smallfoot-: Unfortunately the devs seem to disagree with that, with the whole thing as branding it as "just an engine". |
| 00:23 |
TommyTreasure |
if it weren't for the mods, every minetest server would be exactly alike |
| 00:23 |
TommyTreasure |
makes for a boring game, don't you think? |
| 00:23 |
VanessaE |
if it weren't for mods, every server would consist of nothing but unknown nodes :P |
| 00:24 |
TommyTreasure |
lol, and some mods do the same thing LOL |
| 00:24 |
cheapie |
VanessaE: I think air is built-in. You get air. :P |
| 00:24 |
VanessaE |
well yeah |
| 00:25 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> well, technically minetest games exists but they are collections of mods |
| 00:37 |
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| 00:39 |
TommyTreasure |
you're commenting in the wrong place |
| 00:40 |
TommyTreasure |
besides, if you're experienced enough to join an irc channel, then you should have no problems learning your way around the minetest keyboard shortcuts |
| 00:40 |
TommyTreasure |
try typing the first letter of their name first, then press tab |
| 00:41 |
TommyTreasure |
there are tons of "let's play" videos on youtube. i'm sure one or more will help you find what you need |
| 00:41 |
TommyTreasure |
i have an idea! write your own minetest client! |
| 00:42 |
VanessaE |
or here's an idea: file an issue about it. make an official feature request |
| 00:42 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 00:43 |
VanessaE |
sure as fuck not aiming at 5 year olds (or generically, children) |
| 00:43 |
TommyTreasure |
ok, let's be truthful. i have 7 and 8 year old players, that have never played minetest, or any other game like it, and they blow the doors off some experienced players. stop complaining, and start learing |
| 00:43 |
VanessaE |
trannies? |
| 00:43 |
VanessaE |
wut |
| 00:43 |
TommyTreasure |
lol |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
ok no |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
that stops right not |
| 00:44 |
VanessaE |
take your bigoted bullshit somewhere else |
| 00:44 |
TommyTreasure |
the day you stop learning, is the day your life is over |
| 00:44 |
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| 00:45 |
TommyTreasure |
is there a full moon? |
| 00:45 |
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| 00:45 |
VanessaE |
that's the ONLY warning you get, smallfoot- |
| 00:46 |
VanessaE |
um, no |
| 00:46 |
VanessaE |
my servers have plenty of kids and they seem to have no trouble figuring out how to play |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
ok no |
| 00:47 |
VanessaE |
wtf is wrong with you |
| 00:47 |
TommyTreasure |
smallfoot-, you were smart enough to find how to cloak your nick at freenode. please learn how to play the game |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
yeah and it's not inclusive to gamers who want blood guts and gore |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
or gamers who want to race cars |
| 00:48 |
VanessaE |
or gamers who want to go around gobbling glowing dots and multi-colored ghosts. |
| 00:48 |
TommyTreasure |
hey, i have all those things on my server!!! |
| 00:49 |
sfan5 |
i'll say this: servers have the ability to provide many of the features you ask for right now, this is not on minetest because it's just an engine |
| 00:49 |
sfan5 |
and before you say that it should be built-in: no, every feature under the sun cannot possibly be shipped with it |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
mods are a core principle of a lot of online games, smallfoot- |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
you just know them better as downloadable content, DLC> |
| 00:49 |
TommyTreasure |
yes smallfoot- you need to play all the servers until you find the ones you like |
| 00:50 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> every server owner should know some basic shell commands |
| 00:50 |
TommyTreasure |
smallfoot-, doesn't seem to be an admin. just a frustrated gamer that is too lazy to learn the basics of minetest |
| 00:50 |
sfan5 |
command autocompetion is one of the exceptions to this |
| 00:51 |
VanessaE |
TommyTreasure: you know, now I wonder if anyone's ever done that -- made dots-and-ghosts i.e. Pac-man happen :) |
| 00:51 |
TommyTreasure |
don't you have a casino mod? if so, one of these days i have to try it |
| 00:51 |
VanessaE |
sorta |
| 00:51 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> casino mod eh? |
| 00:51 |
VanessaE |
mini-slots its called. has two machines |
| 00:52 |
VanessaE |
smallfoot-: yeah and what do you think mods do on minetest? |
| 00:52 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> i'm going to have to rate it an M because there is gambling in it |
| 00:52 |
TommyTreasure |
cool, i still have to stop at my tetris machines |
| 00:52 |
VanessaE |
smallfoot-: knock it off |
| 00:53 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> that hyperbole makes no sense |
| 00:53 |
TommyTreasure |
want to play a computer game, don't buy a bicycle |
| 00:53 |
TommyTreasure |
we all think you should have stayed with angry birds |
| 00:54 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> is it that hard to type a few characters? |
| 00:54 |
TommyTreasure |
for some, i guess it is |
| 00:54 |
TommyTreasure |
alexa doesn't work as a core dev any longer |
| 00:54 |
VanessaE |
smallfoot-: yeah no one's gonna cater to your laziness. |
| 00:54 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> that's what /help is for |
| 00:55 |
TommyTreasure |
omg! that's 6 whole keystrokes to do that |
| 00:55 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> that's what docs are for |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
and there's a webpage on the wiki the describes the commands, is there not? |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
then piss off. |
| 00:55 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> double negative detected |
| 00:56 |
TommyTreasure |
smallfoot-, did you know that if you delete all the readme.txt files on your computer, you could save disk space? |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
NO ONE is gonna help you if you don't want to even look at the most basic of documentation, which NEARLY ALL GAMES came with when I was growing up |
| 00:56 |
TommyTreasure |
ah, tower topler on my c-64 was great! |
| 00:56 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> that's impossible |
| 00:56 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> nobody can live that long |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
I grew up in the 1980's, smallfoot- |
| 00:56 |
TommyTreasure |
and i'm deaf dumb and blind. Tommy -- The Who |
| 00:57 |
VanessaE |
when microcomputers were just getting their start |
| 00:57 |
VanessaE |
I'm only 47, I'm not THAT damn old. |
| 00:57 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> people still build their own computers |
| 00:57 |
VanessaE |
320x200 actually. |
| 00:57 |
VanessaE |
knock off the hyperbole. |
| 00:57 |
TommyTreasure |
yeah, but now we use duck tape and glue sticks to fix them |
| 00:58 |
VanessaE |
TommyTreasure: wait, you've been helping Opar fix his 3d printer? ;) |
| 00:58 |
TommyTreasure |
lmao |
| 00:58 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> does "casual gamers" mean "complete blockheads" in your definition? |
| 00:58 |
VanessaE |
smallfoot-: well if all you want is tap-and-drool gaming, go look up something on your favorite app store. |
| 00:58 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> piano tiles 4 |
| 00:58 |
TommyTreasure |
he needs a visit from one of the microsoft repair call centers |
| 00:59 |
TommyTreasure |
sorry, that was low |
| 00:59 |
TommyTreasure |
but worth it |
| 00:59 |
TommyTreasure |
ya know, if you had said that on my server, you would have been banned |
| 00:59 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> roblox is just the right level for you |
| 01:00 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> where all the drooling 8 year olds on iPads dwell |
| 01:00 |
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| 01:00 |
VanessaE |
THAT is a per-server decision |
| 01:00 |
VanessaE |
not all servers demand passwords. |
| 01:01 |
TommyTreasure |
oh man, i'll have to report that registration thing to the core dev team. they'll just have to fix that just for you |
| 01:01 |
VanessaE |
mine do because I don't want idiots taking over each others' accounts. |
| 01:02 |
TommyTreasure |
you can. how much do you want to spend? |
| 01:02 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> a dirt house starts at 5 bitcoins |
| 01:02 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 01:02 |
TommyTreasure |
man, that's way too cheap |
| 01:02 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> i believe in discount stores |
| 01:03 |
TommyTreasure |
discount stores are for those that know how to read advertisements |
| 01:03 |
TommyTreasure |
that's way too much work for a casual gamer. |
| 01:03 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> what if you're too tired to move your head to look at the advert? |
| 01:03 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> lol |
| 01:03 |
TommyTreasure |
i want to know why i have to actually push the power button on my computer to make it work |
| 01:03 |
VanessaE |
there is. |
| 01:03 |
VanessaE |
there are *gasp* mods that implement money, banks, trading |
| 01:03 |
TommyTreasure |
it should know that when i sit in my chair, i'm there to play on it |
| 01:04 |
VanessaE |
I maintain such a mod. a bit primitive maybe, but it works. |
| 01:04 |
TommyTreasure |
catlandia isn't a minetest server |
| 01:04 |
TommyTreasure |
its a multicraft server |
| 01:04 |
TommyTreasure |
good |
| 01:04 |
VanessaE |
idk about catlandia. my servers are good imho |
| 01:04 |
TommyTreasure |
i could be wrong, and if so, sorry |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
servers. plural |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
I run 8 of them, with varying content, |
| 01:05 |
TommyTreasure |
from servers.minetest.net -- CatLandia [0.4 OR 5.0+] |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
but they aren't for the likes of you, smallfoot-. they require you to read the rules and learn how to play. |
| 01:05 |
TommyTreasure |
in my book, that makes it a multicraft server |
| 01:06 |
VanessaE |
you can't. |
| 01:06 |
VanessaE |
that doesn't work on mine :P |
| 01:06 |
TommyTreasure |
perfect noob for my server. might last about 1 minute before a moderator banned them |
| 01:06 |
VanessaE |
it requires you to read the rules, find the keyword, and use THAT to "agree" |
| 01:06 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> imagine clicking I AGREE on a form to sell your soul without reading |
| 01:07 |
TommyTreasure |
you seem to be the real neckberd here |
| 01:07 |
TommyTreasure |
if you don't read any of the rules on my server, you wouldn't be able to get out of spawn |
| 01:07 |
VanessaE |
and the keyword is randomized from a list every time someone looks at the rules dialog, so it can't just be given out to people |
| 01:07 |
VanessaE |
as for best server? back in the day, redcrab.suret.net was the best. hands down. |
| 01:07 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> guess what? the most efficient way to get information is reading |
| 01:07 |
TommyTreasure |
i can just their first comment -- why is everything here protected? where can i build? |
| 01:08 |
VanessaE |
and I definitely didn't run that one :P |
| 01:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> lol, forums are 504'ing atm |
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| 01:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> well, 504 or load, 50 50 chance |
| 01:09 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> maybe if you read the rules and info you could save yourself some time |
| 01:09 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> just a suggestion |
| 01:09 |
VanessaE |
John: they got attacked and kinda don't seem to have weathered it too well |
| 01:09 |
TommyTreasure |
smallfoot-, is your game nickname Subway by any chance? |
| 01:09 |
TommyTreasure |
you sound just like a player i banned yesterday |
| 01:10 |
TommyTreasure |
then why are you here complaining? go play catlandia |
| 01:10 |
VanessaE |
life is full of rules, smallfoot- |
| 01:10 |
VanessaE |
get used to it. |
| 01:10 |
TommyTreasure |
ya know, i built my server with rock and roll. oh wait that was a song |
| 01:10 |
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| 01:11 |
TommyTreasure |
+1 that one was way overboard |
| 01:11 |
VanessaE |
TommyTreasure: well, at least some unnamed *city* was built on rock & roll :) |
| 01:11 |
TommyTreasure |
i always liked that tune, even though the group didn't care for it |
| 01:12 |
VanessaE |
a number of radio stations had their own version of it too |
| 01:13 |
VanessaE |
they'd dub-in their own DJ jabber in place of the bridge |
| 01:14 |
TommyTreasure |
same out here. but i still liked the song |
| 01:16 |
TommyTreasure |
glad you banned him. my pulse just shot to over 130 |
| 01:17 |
MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> folks here know I don't pull out the ban hammer often |
| 01:17 |
MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> but that guy just crossed the line |
| 01:18 |
TommyTreasure |
their last comment was the straw for me. |
| 01:18 |
TommyTreasure |
when that comment was posted, i had to raise my o2 to 5 l/min |
| 01:18 |
MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> haha |
| 01:19 |
timdorohin |
VanessaE: lol |
| 01:19 |
TommyTreasure |
<< seriously. i just came home from emergency a few days ago from breathing issues |
| 01:19 |
VanessaE |
and no one noticed that I keep swapping between |
| 01:19 |
MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> IRC and discord, just as a little joke? |
| 01:19 |
timdorohin |
VanessaE: i think we need a bot for godwin's law auto-ban |
| 01:19 |
VanessaE |
just to take the edge off :) |
| 01:20 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i did, i just didnt think it was worth commenting on |
| 01:20 |
TommyTreasure |
i almost switched to my alternate nick -- StinkFoot |
| 01:22 |
TommyTreasure |
but i have to take 20 lashes from a friend. they think i may have triggered some bad vibes from them. if so, i'm sorry |
| 01:22 |
MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> heh |
| 01:23 |
TommyTreasure |
Johathon, i'm way to onery to do that LOL |
| 01:23 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ......? |
| 01:24 |
TommyTreasure |
to not comment to a lazy player |
| 01:24 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ah, i was actually responding to this "and no one noticed that I keep swapping between" |
| 01:24 |
VanessaE |
my work here is done :) |
| 01:25 |
TommyTreasure |
too eary to say g'nite |
| 01:25 |
TommyTreasure |
before you go, is slots compatible with 5.x? |
| 01:25 |
MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> oh I'm still here. |
| 01:26 |
MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> and yes |
| 01:26 |
TommyTreasure |
i'm just too lazy to go to github/gitlab to see for myself |
| 01:26 |
MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> though it has a couple of very minor positioning errors no doubt due to formspec bugfixes since I wrote it. |
| 01:26 |
TommyTreasure |
a lot of mods have formspec issues with 5.x |
| 01:28 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> it depends on which versions of 5x you want to support |
| 01:28 |
MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> it's nothing significant, just one of the reels is off by like 5px compared to normal |
| 01:28 |
TommyTreasure |
speaking of formspecs, my co-admin has an edit for the pipeworks adj, vacuum tube, that makes it easier for mobile devices to use |
| 01:29 |
TommyTreasure |
i'm trying to convince them to submit a pr |
| 01:29 |
timdorohin |
btw, is there something like 'list of whining and featreqs from MT mod devs' anywhere? |
| 01:29 |
TommyTreasure |
yeah, i think they call it the minetest forums |
| 01:29 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> lol ? |
| 01:30 |
MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> heh |
| 01:30 |
timdorohin |
'cept from list of closed 'won't add' issues, ofc |
| 01:30 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq86ZgTBSAw&t=6s offtopic, but i semi wish that the other had released more tracks |
| 01:30 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i like there style |
| 01:31 |
TommyTreasure |
sounds too mellow |
| 01:31 |
TommyTreasure |
i've always loved the tunes that simcity used |
| 01:31 |
TommyTreasure |
but, there's a ton of money invested in those too. not in the minetest budget |
| 01:32 |
TommyTreasure |
VanessaE, anyway, my co-admin wrote a formspec that has a 'set' button, so mobile users could actually enter a radius, and make it work |
| 01:33 |
TommyTreasure |
seems as if minetest doesn't allow the 'enter' key to display when the keyboard app opens |
| 01:33 |
MTDiscord |
<VanessaE> please do file a PR on that |
| 01:34 |
TommyTreasure |
just sent them a pm |
| 01:34 |
TommyTreasure |
he's done a few PRs in advancedtrains, and most have been accepted too |
| 02:04 |
MTDiscord |
<oneplustwo> if i tried to write a track for minetest, i would be called a boomer XD |
| 02:05 |
TommyTreasure |
go for it! i'm only good for a classic rock feel, or a jazz feel |
| 02:06 |
TommyTreasure |
and neither of those is really fitting for minetest |
| 02:06 |
TommyTreasure |
then you would have to give license for admins to use it |
| 02:07 |
TommyTreasure |
that's way over my current minetest payscale |
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andrew |
Hmm, how does MTBot send git pushes to the chat? |
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cheapie |
Bleh... upvalues get... interesting at times, and not always in a good way :P |
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sfan5 |
andrew: it reads the github rss feeds |
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tech_exorcist |
can I register to the wiki with Tor? |
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sfan5 |
you can't register to the wiki at all, we have a forum thread for account requests |
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tech_exorcist |
oh, ok |
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tech_exorcist |
(sorry for my late reply, I just got back) |
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tech_exorcist |
another question: how do I get rid of objects that are just taking up space in my inventory and chests? for example; I somehow have 50 Wheat Seeds and a whole wheat farm which is more than enough for a single player, so where do I put all those? seeds |
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tech_exorcist |
*: |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Into the trash probably? |
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tech_exorcist |
I'm not in creative mode |
| 15:13 |
tech_exorcist |
and I don't see any "trashcan" in the inventory (there is one in creative mode) |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> Oh. I think you can just throw the item using the (by default) Q key |
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tech_exorcist |
yes |
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tech_exorcist |
but it stays on the ground |
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MTDiscord |
<y5nw> it will disappear eventually |
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tech_exorcist |
oh |
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tech_exorcist |
thanks! :D |
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tech_exorcist |
I keep some things (such as tree leaves) to use them as furnace fuel |
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sfan5 |
you can also use /pulverize |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Isn't there a /clearinv that's like /pulverize but for everything in your inventory? Just put all the good stuff away in chests and take out only the trash, then run that one command. |
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<Jonathon> yes |
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<appguru> Pulverize and clearinv should not be a part of builtin |
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sfan5 |
true |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> They're fine as admin tools, but I usually patch them to require a priv. |
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<Benrob0329> Yeah, some games might require the inventory to remain untouched e.g. for quest items |
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<Warr1024> Other games may mostly enforce conservation of mass (e.g. NodeCore) |
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<MTDiscord> <Warr1024> Isn't there a /clearinv that's like /pulverize but for everything in your inventory? Just put all the good stuff away in chests and take out only the trash, then run that one command. | not a bad idea |
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tech_exorcist |
<sfan5> you can also use /pulverize | let me see if I have it |
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tech_exorcist |
yep |
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tech_exorcist |
I do have /pulverize |
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Rrixxi |
hi |
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Rrixxi |
can i adversting my server here i search some peoples ;) |
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TommyTreasure |
i don't know if that's allowed, but its something i would never do |
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Rrixxi |
ok thanks |
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rubenwardy |
You should create a forum topic |
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rubenwardy |
and/or reddit post |
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rubenwardy |
make sure that your server has something unique to offer |
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Rrixxi |
okay thx rubenwardy |
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rubenwardy |
there are a lot of servers compared to players |
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Rrixxi |
on reddit minetest? |
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Krock |
it's not forbidden here, but it's unlikely to find players here |
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Krock |
also reddit.com/r/minetest or forum.minetest.net/ |
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TommyTreasure |
rubenwardy, can you pm me regarding your vps host? i'm considering a move there |
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tech_exorcist |
nice /s |
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tech_exorcist |
I just found some mese ore |
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tech_exorcist |
and guess what |
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tech_exorcist |
my inventory is full |
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* tech_exorcist |
/pulverize's something |
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tech_exorcist |
and now I have a mese pickaxe |
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absurb |
has there been any progress on a proper mob system? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> looks at mobkit |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i would say so |
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absurb |
what about bots? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> bots in what context? |
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absurb |
does minetest have any plans for fake clients? if not, i suppose i'll have to try implement it myself |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> see mtbotter |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> or df |
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absurb |
the problem with bots (right now) is that people just create entities that look like players, but they aren't players at all |
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absurb |
this makes means they don't obey the same game rules as real players, and mods will sometimes not recognize bots as players |
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absurb |
server-side fake clients solves this issue entirely, and would be exceptionally useful for people playing with AI, such as symbolic artificial intelligence and deep learning shenanigans |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> some mods make fake players to force load areas with automation |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i believe digtron does this |
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absurb |
oh! |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> however from experience i can tell you it isnt the most reliable |
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absurb |
can you elaborate what "df" is? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> well, assume im going to get yelled at, but dragonfire, aka the current "hacked" client for minetest |
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absurb |
oh right |
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absurb |
yeah, fair enough |
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absurb |
ideally i'd like to avoid REAL clients, because they're not very performant |
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absurb |
but looking at the MT code, i don't see any support for fake clients, and i can't find anybody suggesting it or anything |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> im not sure about mtbotter, but i believe it striped graphical output out |
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absurb |
mtbotter may be my best option for now, although i'm definitely dreading the memory and CPU overhead |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> as a client it should only use one or two threads? since it isnt doing its own mapgen |
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hlqkj |
sorry, maybe someone could help: i'm getting a ton of these, any clue what does it mean and/or how to track what the problem is? |
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hlqkj |
WARNING[Server]: active block modifiers took 226ms (processed 117 of 121 active blocks) |
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absurb |
the problem is that it's keeping a duplicate of the game world in memory, which is acceptable if there's only 1 bot, but if i wanted to run up to 16 bots, this would become a real concern |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> and yeah, i would hope mtbotter strips out saving textures in memory |
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absurb |
that said, when i say "world" i mean entities and such, not just nodes |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> hlqky: it means a game/mods using a abm took longer than expected |
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absurb |
i think fake clients should be something to consider adding. real clients pose a real concerns obviously since you can make them join any server, whether the server likes it or not, whereas this isn't a concern for fake clients |
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hlqkj |
ok, that's in line with my guess. but, any way to know which one? skipping the usual advice like "disable all mods and enable one at time" ? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> if your on linux grep in your mods dir for minetest.register_abm or whatever it is, and then disable those one at a time |
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sfan5 |
I think the profiler can timekeep ABMs |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> if you have some technical experience you can read the code to see what it does and take some more off that list |
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hlqkj |
the profiler can, i tried that, but dunno how to use that info to know which one is generating the warning |
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hlqkj |
no way to have the engine yelling which ABM caused it to print that warning? |
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sfan5 |
that wouldn't be very useful, the warning occurrs as soon as more than 200ms(?) is taken for ABMs |
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sfan5 |
it would tell you which abm moves the time taken from 190 to 200, but you'd want to know which mod contributed the most to those 200ms |
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sfan5 |
if you have the info from the profiler you can look at which ABMs take the most time |
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hlqkj |
gotcha |
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[git] Df458 -> minetest/minetest: lua_api.txt: Fix style selector examples afe988d https://git.io/JmFl3 (2021-03-21T22:23:14Z) |
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[git] numberZero -> minetest/minetest: Restore minimal normal texture support (for minimap shading) 44ed05d https://git.io/JmFls (2021-03-21T22:22:22Z) |
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how can I find out how much a GenericCAO's mesh's vertex positions are offset? |
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