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12:04 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Schematic: Properly deal with before/after node resolving and documen… 0571991 https://git.io/JmyXl (2021-03-20T12:02:15Z)
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16:48 tech_exorcist what's the fastest way to mine obsidian?
16:49 MTDiscord <y5nw> Oredetect? (joking)
16:50 Krock node replacement tool
16:50 Krock or TNT
16:51 tech_exorcist ok, thanks :-)
16:52 tech_exorcist I'll stick to steel pickaxes for now
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17:00 owain_ BuckarooBanzai Ur server is run by out of control children who's aim seems to be maintaining an environment where sticking up for yourself is not permitted. if those four want a server all to them self's why make it public.
17:04 timdorohin tech_exorcist: fastest way is not to mine it at all, but to cast it into structures
17:05 timdorohin if you need it to build something, of course
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17:10 MTDiscord <Jonathon> Really? Owain_ is complain here now after getting banned from all pandora box platforms? 🤦
17:11 MTDiscord <y5nw> Remember 56i? ...
17:12 MTDiscord <Jonathon> Yeah....seems like a repeat or worse
17:12 MTDiscord <y5nw> Hopefully not worse
17:13 VanessaE owain_: this isn't the place for server drama.  take it to the appropriate chat or to /msg
17:15 owain_ well Ruggila is a CYBER bullying dictator who bans whoever she wants
17:16 VanessaE tough shit.
17:16 TommyTreasure LMAO sorry...  my bad
17:16 VanessaE take it to a more appropriate chat
17:19 Hawk777 Hi all! I’m trying to figure out how much program code I can load into a single Mesecons Luacontroller. I’m experimenting, but it’s kind of slow going because copying and pasting doesn’t work very well (sometimes pressing Ctrl+V inserts the thing that used to be in the clipboard rather than the last thing I copied, and sometimes it just inserts a random letter and a few tabs) so I figured I would ask if anyone knows the ex
17:19 Hawk777 nswer. AFAICT from looking at the Mesecons code there isn’t a limit in there, but is there a maximum string length for a field in a formspec, or perhaps a maximum string length in a node metadata field?
17:19 owain_ VanessaE thats not a nice way to a child
17:20 owain_ *speak
17:20 VanessaE ...
17:20 MTDiscord <y5nw> owain_: we will see when the fact is revealed in a way that is less biased to a single side
17:20 VanessaE on the internet no one knows if you're a child and no one needs to know.
17:21 owain_ nobody listen there they banned me on all pandora box channels so how can i speak about it there
17:21 MTDiscord <y5nw> Why did you get banned though?
17:21 MTDiscord <Jonathon> you could you know, private message the owner? novel concept i know
17:21 VanessaE obviously you can't.  so try sending a polite email
17:21 VanessaE or give up and move on to some other server.
17:21 MTDiscord <Jonathon> also ^
17:21 owain_ VanessaE nobody knows so mind ur language
17:22 MTDiscord <Jonathon> 🤦‍♂️
17:22 VanessaE ...
17:23 VanessaE as far as I know, this chat has no "family friendly" rule.
17:23 VanessaE so if you can't deal with a little harsh language, go somewhere else.
17:24 sfan5 Hawk777: I wouldn't assume more than 64k to fit into it, however neither formspec fields nor node metadata have such a restriction
17:24 Hawk777 I see. So far my experiments seem to be pointing somewhere around 256k fitting, but not sure where exactly the limit comes from.
17:25 Hawk777 Just trying to decide whether to architect a large system with many Luacontrollers or just one.
17:25 VanessaE Hawk777: dare I ask what the hell you're doing that pushes a formspec string to 256k? ;)
17:25 MTDiscord <y5nw> Porting an OS to luacontrollers?
17:25 VanessaE or a LuaC's code space to that
17:25 VanessaE y5nw: maybe he's porting emacs ;)
17:25 owain_ VanessaE: "go somewhere else", well... maybe it's just u or maybe u speak for the whole community? Idk..
17:25 MTDiscord <y5nw> Eclipse
17:26 Hawk777 Well, at 25 characters per line, 10,000 LOC is around 260k. 10kLOC is *not* a huge program.
17:26 Hawk777 Normally one would split it up into many files, but LuaControllers don’t give that option, so :D
17:26 hlqkj about that, @cheapie: loved your last update with advanced touchscreens, yet would be nice to have the formspec_escape exposed to the luaC environment
17:26 VanessaE you see that, owain_ ?  it means I DO speak for the community as a whole, from time to time.
17:26 hlqkj so far i had to use a for loop to replace chars 0\
17:27 VanessaE (or at least for this chat)
17:27 TommyTreasure ah, the prestigious green dot award.  sorry again, couldn't resist
17:27 owain_ Ah so ur all scumbags then!
17:27 VanessaE *facepalm*
17:28 MTDiscord <y5nw> owain_: anyway, what's the situation?
17:28 owain_ PandoraBox is the situation
17:28 MTDiscord <y5nw> I mean, I will look at it after dinner
17:28 TommyTreasure sticking my nose where it doesn't belong, once again....  but.....
17:29 Hawk777 I suspect ~10kLOC is probably enough for what I want to do though.
17:29 TommyTreasure those that get banned think the admins are terrible, while those that follow the rules, love their admins and moderators
17:29 owain_ banning me for no reason all i did was say "/me mayby noob1 was right"
17:29 TommyTreasure owain_, this is not the forum to discus server/admin/banning issues
17:29 TommyTreasure discuss*
17:30 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Something tells me it was likely more than that, and something else tells me you could appeal on the forums
17:30 owain_ fudge u all
17:30 owain_ was kicked by VanessaE: owain_
17:30 VanessaE Hawk777: re: multiple files, why not use multiple LuaC's with some comms between then?
17:31 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> orwain_: No thanks, I should eat some real food first
17:31 Hawk777 Well, that’s exactly what I was trying to decide. It’s a bit more annoying to do that, but if I hit the program size limit I’d have no choice and would have to do that. But I’d rather not do it for no reason.
17:31 VanessaE anyone giving odds on how long it takes him to either A. realize that was a kick and not a ban, or B. starts PMing people here to bitch about it ?  :)
17:32 TommyTreasure oh you nasty moderator!!!  LMAO
17:32 VanessaE BOFH, baby :)
17:32 Hawk777 BOFH? You didn’t electrocute him AFAIK :D
17:32 TommyTreasure i just love the 'you banned me for no reason', then when asked the reason on their screen, its 'i don't know'
17:33 TommyTreasure so when you look it up, you find things like 'biggest troll her in ages'
17:33 VanessaE Hawk777: the day is still young :)
17:33 TommyTreasure here*
17:34 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Hawk777: If you're on Linux, you can always select the text and use Shift+Insert to use the old X11 clipboard (which basically types it out iirc so should work)
17:34 Hawk777 I am, but Shift+Insert doesn’t seem to do anything in Minetest.
17:35 Hawk777 It inserts neither the selection buffer nor the clipboard buffer.
17:35 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Huh
17:35 Hawk777 I generally edit with vim so I have easy access to both buffers, with "* or "+ respectively.
17:35 VanessaE only ctrl-V ever works for me, on linux, and it has that same "paste old, then current" bug as you mentioned.
17:35 TommyTreasure just a quick thought, but maybe try a different version of your client.  i've noticed copy and paste issues with my 5.4.0 windows client
17:35 VanessaE middle click paste doesn't work
17:35 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> what on earth is MT doing
17:36 Hawk777 Yeah, middle-click doesn’t do anything here either.
17:36 VanessaE it's irrlicht being stupid as I understand itg
17:36 VanessaE -g
17:36 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Can always copy twice
17:36 VanessaE AND sometimes the copy doesn't work (Or the paste doesn't), if MT or irrlicht doesn't like where it came from
17:37 Hawk777 Copying more than once doesn’t seem to help. Only pasting more than once.
17:37 VanessaE like if I copy from Chrome, it will not paste at all
17:37 Hawk777 Sigh, flip tables, grumble about Irrlicht, business as usual :/
17:37 VanessaE but if I paste the copied text into a terminal or geany or sth, then recopy it, it will paste into MT then
17:38 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Remind me why it's the application's job to handle the system clipboard?
17:38 VanessaE it isn't :P
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17:45 Hawk777 Anyway, thanks for the chat. I think I’ll go with a single LuaC initially—it’ll probably be enough space—and rework later if necessary. In case anyone is interested, I’m working on an autocrafting system which will store recipes, graph-search through them, and allow a single user request to potentially kick off multi-stage production with lots of Lua-controlled sorting tubes moving items into the relevant machines.
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18:49 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Mainmenu: Improve "Join Game" tab (#11078) 042131d https://git.io/Jm9Xz (2021-03-20T18:48:25Z)
20:27 tech_exorcist is it possible to get the raw materials out of a crafted/smelted tool?
20:28 tech_exorcist without third-party mods
20:28 tech_exorcist in Minetest Game
20:30 sfan5 nope
20:32 Krock /giveme
20:34 tech_exorcist Krock, I'm playing in a survival-ish world with damage enabled and creative mode disabled, so /giveme would be cheating :-) thanks anyway though
20:35 tech_exorcist <sfan5> nope | ok, thanks
20:35 tech_exorcist :-\
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21:25 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Serialize tool capabilities JSON without whitespace 531e7ef https://git.io/JmHLr (2021-03-20T21:06:17Z)
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23:51 smallfoot- add dark background to the chat so you can easier see the text
23:52 smallfoot- text on transparent background is hard to read
23:52 smallfoot- add fps meter
23:52 smallfoot- add autocompletion on /commands
23:54 MTDiscord <Jonathon> someone is demanding.....and your best served making issues on the repo
23:54 MTDiscord <Jonathon> also, f5 shows you fps
23:55 smallfoot- oh thanks, this F5 i didn't know, it was hard to discover
23:57 smallfoot- getting contact with players in minetest is hard
23:57 smallfoot- the chat system is quite poor
23:57 smallfoot- its difficult to figure out how to do PM
23:58 smallfoot- and you can do local chat to everyone on your screen or who you look at, like 10x10 meter, only to whole world

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