Time Nick Message 00:10 MTDiscord servers that use something like chat3 are greatly appreciated, makes pms and some other stuff green to stand out 00:16 cheapie Jonathon: It's possible to manipulate the chat colors and stuff on the client side too - "chat6" is an old client mod I made to do that a while back, and recently fixed so it works with modern clients again: https://cheapiesystems.com/git/chat6 00:17 MTDiscord well yes, but most servers disallow csms and take a dim view of you patching your client to do so 00:18 cheapie Huh, can't say I've ever seen a server that totally blocked (as opposed to just restricting) CSMs. 00:18 TommyTreasure Jonathon, does your chat6 allow for the client to make up for color blindness issues? 00:18 MTDiscord :thonking: chat6 is not my mod, but cheapies 00:18 TommyTreasure meaning, configuring 00:19 MTDiscord and its a csm 00:19 TommyTreasure i knew that, but i had read you made the latest changes. sorry 00:19 MTDiscord i have never commited anything to chat6 lol 00:19 cheapie I'm the only one that's ever done anything with chat6 (not to be confused with chat3 or any other numbers) :P 00:20 TommyTreasure i haven't used anything other than default, but i did add mt.conf to strip colors in chat 00:20 cheapie I called it "chat6" because it's meant to make the chat look sorta like HexChat - does timestamping, nick coloring (same algorithm as HexChat so it picks the same colors), and highlighting. 00:20 TommyTreasure i almost lost a great moderator over that, but in the end, he passed away., sad day 00:21 smallfoot- It's nice with patches and mods, but its even nicer when things just work well out-of-the-box 00:21 TommyTreasure minetes is all about the mods 00:21 cheapie Does require that the server allows CSMs, but des 00:21 cheapie Does require that the server allows CSMs, but doesn't require any special access. 00:22 TommyTreasure i think my conf is set for the default csm restrictions. can't remember 00:22 smallfoot- mods is great for advanced users, but we casual players don't care for mods, we just want a good experience 00:22 TommyTreasure mods are super simple to install and configure in single player mode 00:23 cheapie smallfoot-: Unfortunately the devs seem to disagree with that, with the whole thing as branding it as "just an engine". 00:23 TommyTreasure if it weren't for the mods, every minetest server would be exactly alike 00:23 TommyTreasure makes for a boring game, don't you think? 00:23 VanessaE if it weren't for mods, every server would consist of nothing but unknown nodes :P 00:24 TommyTreasure lol, and some mods do the same thing LOL 00:24 cheapie VanessaE: I think air is built-in. You get air. :P 00:24 VanessaE well yeah 00:25 MTDiscord well, technically minetest games exists but they are collections of mods 00:37 smallfoot- maybe minetest is great for devs, ops and long time players, but for casuals it sucks. I don't care about mods, I play on "Catlandia", why? because its the first entry in the world list. 00:37 smallfoot- when my friends login, or out, I have no idea if they are on, because there is no VIP list where you can add your buddies 00:38 smallfoot- on WhatsApp, Discord, Facebook Messenger, you can open a private conversation with someone, super easy, in Minetest its very difficult, you cant open a PM window/tab, you have to write their name always 00:38 smallfoot- i want to find my friend, or my friend wants to find me, but we got no idea how to find each other in this huge world, there is no beacon or way to find each other 00:39 TommyTreasure you're commenting in the wrong place 00:39 smallfoot- i get stuck in some place and cant get out, i get frustrated, i have no idea how to escape 00:39 smallfoot- there are supposedly a bunch of commands, but i don't know about them, when i type / and press key, there is no autocompletion 00:40 TommyTreasure besides, if you're experienced enough to join an irc channel, then you should have no problems learning your way around the minetest keyboard shortcuts 00:40 TommyTreasure try typing the first letter of their name first, then press tab 00:40 smallfoot- its hard, it takes time, i have to google, i have to come here and ask, i shoudln't have to, i should just be able to play 00:41 smallfoot- then i hae to type their first letters and tab every time, on IRC i just open a PM window and its so much easier to write 00:41 TommyTreasure there are tons of "let's play" videos on youtube. i'm sure one or more will help you find what you need 00:41 smallfoot- because the chat is transparent with no background, its very hard to see the text 00:41 TommyTreasure i have an idea! write your own minetest client! 00:42 smallfoot- yeah, but i feel like this game is too hard and too noob-unfriendly, you sholdn't hae to do research and homework just to play a game, games are suppose to be fun 00:42 smallfoot- i have no idea how to code, im a gamer not a programmer 00:42 VanessaE or here's an idea: file an issue about it. make an official feature request 00:42 smallfoot- they should make this game so its user friendly even for 5 year olds 00:42 VanessaE no. 00:43 VanessaE sure as fuck not aiming at 5 year olds (or generically, children) 00:43 TommyTreasure ok, let's be truthful. i have 7 and 8 year old players, that have never played minetest, or any other game like it, and they blow the doors off some experienced players. stop complaining, and start learing 00:43 smallfoot- so then its just minecraft for neckberds and trannies? 00:43 VanessaE trannies? 00:43 VanessaE wut 00:43 TommyTreasure lol 00:44 smallfoot- yeah, no real girls is gonna play a game where they need to do research and homework 00:44 VanessaE ok no 00:44 VanessaE that stops right not 00:44 VanessaE take your bigoted bullshit somewhere else 00:44 TommyTreasure the day you stop learning, is the day your life is over 00:45 TommyTreasure is there a full moon? 00:45 VanessaE that's the ONLY warning you get, smallfoot- 00:45 smallfoot- okay 00:45 smallfoot- and there is no user interface for commands, just type commands like unix terminal, its for neckbeards, its not user friendly, maybe you need like learn shell scripting to play the game too 00:46 VanessaE um, no 00:46 smallfoot- so why does it have to be user-unfriendly and hard for casual gamers who just wanna play without do research? 00:46 VanessaE my servers have plenty of kids and they seem to have no trouble figuring out how to play 00:47 smallfoot- maybe they're not kids, maybe they're midgets with beards playing on freebsd 00:47 smallfoot- they're just roleplaying as kids 00:47 VanessaE ok no 00:47 VanessaE wtf is wrong with you 00:47 smallfoot- im just a casual gamer want to play and have fun 00:47 TommyTreasure smallfoot-, you were smart enough to find how to cloak your nick at freenode. please learn how to play the game 00:47 smallfoot- and this game is difficult and alienating 00:47 smallfoot- its not inclusive to casual gamers 00:48 VanessaE yeah and it's not inclusive to gamers who want blood guts and gore 00:48 VanessaE or gamers who want to race cars 00:48 smallfoot- yeah because I spent all my research time learning IRC, so i don't have research time over to learn how to play a game, i just want to play it and have fun 00:48 VanessaE or gamers who want to go around gobbling glowing dots and multi-colored ghosts. 00:48 TommyTreasure hey, i have all those things on my server!!! 00:49 smallfoot- well there might be some server which has a mod for that 00:49 sfan5 i'll say this: servers have the ability to provide many of the features you ask for right now, this is not on minetest because it's just an engine 00:49 smallfoot- so the i have to try out all 1000 servers to find one that doesn't suck? 00:49 sfan5 and before you say that it should be built-in: no, every feature under the sun cannot possibly be shipped with it 00:49 VanessaE mods are a core principle of a lot of online games, smallfoot- 00:49 VanessaE you just know them better as downloadable content, DLC> 00:49 TommyTreasure yes smallfoot- you need to play all the servers until you find the ones you like 00:50 MTDiscord every server owner should know some basic shell commands 00:50 smallfoot- yeah, mods are great for adding new in-game content like games modes like CTF, survival, hide-and-seek, new monsters, new textures, etc... but things like having a good chat system, autocompletion for commands should be in core, not with mods 00:50 TommyTreasure smallfoot-, doesn't seem to be an admin. just a frustrated gamer that is too lazy to learn the basics of minetest 00:50 sfan5 command autocompetion is one of the exceptions to this 00:51 smallfoot- TommyTreasure, yes, i am not an admin, im an casual gamer, a noob 00:51 VanessaE TommyTreasure: you know, now I wonder if anyone's ever done that -- made dots-and-ghosts i.e. Pac-man happen :) 00:51 TommyTreasure don't you have a casino mod? if so, one of these days i have to try it 00:51 VanessaE sorta 00:51 smallfoot- VanessaE, DLC is new levels, new characters, new quests, not basic client functionality 00:51 MTDiscord casino mod eh? 00:51 VanessaE mini-slots its called. has two machines 00:52 VanessaE smallfoot-: yeah and what do you think mods do on minetest? 00:52 MTDiscord i'm going to have to rate it an M because there is gambling in it 00:52 TommyTreasure cool, i still have to stop at my tetris machines 00:52 smallfoot- want to use mouse? get a mod! want to jump? get a mod! want to chat? get a mod! want to walk? get a mod! 00:52 VanessaE smallfoot-: knock it off 00:53 MTDiscord that hyperbole makes no sense 00:53 TommyTreasure want to play a computer game, don't buy a bicycle 00:53 smallfoot- minetest would better with sane default 00:53 TommyTreasure we all think you should have stayed with angry birds 00:54 smallfoot- and graphical window to pick a command, or auto-completion of commands 00:54 smallfoot- yeah, i really liked angry birds, it was fun 00:54 MTDiscord is it that hard to type a few characters? 00:54 TommyTreasure for some, i guess it is 00:54 TommyTreasure alexa doesn't work as a core dev any longer 00:54 smallfoot- I don't know which characters to type, I don't know any commands 00:54 VanessaE smallfoot-: yeah no one's gonna cater to your laziness. 00:54 MTDiscord that's what /help is for 00:55 TommyTreasure omg! that's 6 whole keystrokes to do that 00:55 MTDiscord that's what docs are for 00:55 VanessaE and there's a webpage on the wiki the describes the commands, is there not? 00:55 smallfoot- I don't want to read no docs, i don't care about docs, i have no interest in docs, im a gamer, if i wanted to read something, i would read Harry Potter 00:55 VanessaE then piss off. 00:55 MTDiscord double negative detected 00:56 TommyTreasure smallfoot-, did you know that if you delete all the readme.txt files on your computer, you could save disk space? 00:56 smallfoot- yeah im gonna play roblox and minecraft instead, then you can just play and have fun and not have to do research and read manuals 00:56 VanessaE NO ONE is gonna help you if you don't want to even look at the most basic of documentation, which NEARLY ALL GAMES came with when I was growing up 00:56 TommyTreasure ah, tower topler on my c-64 was great! 00:56 smallfoot- you grew up the 1800 century 00:56 smallfoot- i have ADHD, i cant read 00:56 MTDiscord that's impossible 00:56 MTDiscord nobody can live that long 00:56 VanessaE I grew up in the 1980's, smallfoot- 00:56 TommyTreasure and i'm deaf dumb and blind. Tommy -- The Who 00:57 smallfoot- which means you are OLD 00:57 VanessaE when microcomputers were just getting their start 00:57 smallfoot- and you built your own computer 00:57 VanessaE I'm only 47, I'm not THAT damn old. 00:57 smallfoot- and glued it together 00:57 MTDiscord people still build their own computers 00:57 smallfoot- and it has a screen resolution of 16x16 pixels 00:57 VanessaE 320x200 actually. 00:57 VanessaE knock off the hyperbole. 00:57 TommyTreasure yeah, but now we use duck tape and glue sticks to fix them 00:58 smallfoot- times change, gaming is not only for neckberds, its for casual gamers too now 00:58 VanessaE TommyTreasure: wait, you've been helping Opar fix his 3d printer? ;) 00:58 TommyTreasure lmao 00:58 MTDiscord does "casual gamers" mean "complete blockheads" in your definition? 00:58 VanessaE smallfoot-: well if all you want is tap-and-drool gaming, go look up something on your favorite app store. 00:58 MTDiscord piano tiles 4 00:58 smallfoot- i don't know what "complete blockheads" mean, but im stupid 00:58 TommyTreasure he needs a visit from one of the microsoft repair call centers 00:59 TommyTreasure sorry, that was low 00:59 TommyTreasure but worth it 00:59 smallfoot- yeha, im gonan play roblox and minecraft, then you can just have fun, this minetest game is only for neckberds 00:59 TommyTreasure ya know, if you had said that on my server, you would have been banned 00:59 MTDiscord roblox is just the right level for you 01:00 MTDiscord where all the drooling 8 year olds on iPads dwell 01:00 smallfoot- and on minetest you have to register an account on every server which sucks, on discord you can just register and account and go to any server 01:00 VanessaE THAT is a per-server decision 01:00 smallfoot- oh, i didn't know 01:00 VanessaE not all servers demand passwords. 01:01 TommyTreasure oh man, i'll have to report that registration thing to the core dev team. they'll just have to fix that just for you 01:01 VanessaE mine do because I don't want idiots taking over each others' accounts. 01:01 smallfoot- imagine if you could buy a house in minetest with bitcoins 01:02 TommyTreasure you can. how much do you want to spend? 01:02 MTDiscord a dirt house starts at 5 bitcoins 01:02 VanessaE haha 01:02 smallfoot- 0 i dont have any bitcoins only fortnite coins 01:02 TommyTreasure man, that's way too cheap 01:02 MTDiscord i believe in discount stores 01:03 TommyTreasure discount stores are for those that know how to read advertisements 01:03 TommyTreasure that's way too much work for a casual gamer. 01:03 MTDiscord what if you're too tired to move your head to look at the advert? 01:03 MTDiscord lol 01:03 smallfoot- imagine if there was a bank in minetest 01:03 TommyTreasure i want to know why i have to actually push the power button on my computer to make it work 01:03 VanessaE there is. 01:03 VanessaE there are *gasp* mods that implement money, banks, trading 01:03 TommyTreasure it should know that when i sit in my chair, i'm there to play on it 01:04 smallfoot- is Catlandia the best world? 01:04 VanessaE I maintain such a mod. a bit primitive maybe, but it works. 01:04 TommyTreasure catlandia isn't a minetest server 01:04 smallfoot- its not? i play on it 01:04 TommyTreasure its a multicraft server 01:04 smallfoot- oh, i dont know what multicraft is 01:04 TommyTreasure good 01:04 VanessaE idk about catlandia. my servers are good imho 01:04 TommyTreasure i could be wrong, and if so, sorry 01:05 smallfoot- you say ur server is good only cuz its urs? or u played others and knows urs tehe better one? 01:05 VanessaE servers. plural 01:05 VanessaE I run 8 of them, with varying content, 01:05 TommyTreasure from servers.minetest.net -- CatLandia [0.4 OR 5.0+] 01:05 VanessaE but they aren't for the likes of you, smallfoot-. they require you to read the rules and learn how to play. 01:05 smallfoot- i guess it doesnt matter what server you play on, they're only neckberds on all of them 01:05 smallfoot- yeah, im not gonna read any rules to play a game 01:05 TommyTreasure in my book, that makes it a multicraft server 01:05 smallfoot- i just click I AGREE without reading 01:06 VanessaE you can't. 01:06 VanessaE that doesn't work on mine :P 01:06 smallfoot- why not? 01:06 smallfoot- it has a test? 01:06 TommyTreasure perfect noob for my server. might last about 1 minute before a moderator banned them 01:06 smallfoot- that you need to pass? 01:06 VanessaE it requires you to read the rules, find the keyword, and use THAT to "agree" 01:06 smallfoot- TommyTreasure, so its a neckberd-only-server? 01:06 MTDiscord imagine clicking I AGREE on a form to sell your soul without reading 01:07 TommyTreasure you seem to be the real neckberd here 01:07 TommyTreasure if you don't read any of the rules on my server, you wouldn't be able to get out of spawn 01:07 smallfoot- im not the one reading the docs LOL 01:07 VanessaE and the keyword is randomized from a list every time someone looks at the rules dialog, so it can't just be given out to people 01:07 VanessaE as for best server? back in the day, redcrab.suret.net was the best. hands down. 01:07 MTDiscord guess what? the most efficient way to get information is reading 01:07 TommyTreasure i can just their first comment -- why is everything here protected? where can i build? 01:08 VanessaE and I definitely didn't run that one :P 01:08 MTDiscord lol, forums are 504'ing atm 01:08 smallfoot- i never built anything, i just run around and look at things, then i get stuck somewhere and dont know what to do 01:08 MTDiscord well, 504 or load, 50 50 chance 01:09 smallfoot- then i ask in the chat if someone can help me 01:09 MTDiscord maybe if you read the rules and info you could save yourself some time 01:09 MTDiscord just a suggestion 01:09 VanessaE John: they got attacked and kinda don't seem to have weathered it too well 01:09 TommyTreasure smallfoot-, is your game nickname Subway by any chance? 01:09 smallfoot- no 01:09 smallfoot- and i only play on Catlandia 01:09 TommyTreasure you sound just like a player i banned yesterday 01:10 TommyTreasure then why are you here complaining? go play catlandia 01:10 smallfoot- maybe it was just a boy who wanted to play and have fun 01:10 smallfoot- not have to go by ur dictatorship rules 01:10 smallfoot- and ban playrs who dont do this, dont do that 01:10 VanessaE life is full of rules, smallfoot- 01:10 VanessaE get used to it. 01:10 smallfoot- yeah, hitler had a lot of rules too 01:10 TommyTreasure ya know, i built my server with rock and roll. oh wait that was a song 01:10 smallfoot- nobody liked him 01:11 TommyTreasure +1 that one was way overboard 01:11 VanessaE TommyTreasure: well, at least some unnamed *city* was built on rock & roll :) 01:11 TommyTreasure i always liked that tune, even though the group didn't care for it 01:12 VanessaE a number of radio stations had their own version of it too 01:13 VanessaE they'd dub-in their own DJ jabber in place of the bridge 01:14 TommyTreasure same out here. but i still liked the song 01:16 TommyTreasure glad you banned him. my pulse just shot to over 130 01:17 MTDiscord folks here know I don't pull out the ban hammer often 01:17 MTDiscord but that guy just crossed the line 01:18 TommyTreasure their last comment was the straw for me. 01:18 TommyTreasure when that comment was posted, i had to raise my o2 to 5 l/min 01:18 MTDiscord haha 01:19 timdorohin VanessaE: lol 01:19 TommyTreasure << seriously. i just came home from emergency a few days ago from breathing issues 01:19 VanessaE and no one noticed that I keep swapping between 01:19 MTDiscord IRC and discord, just as a little joke? 01:19 timdorohin VanessaE: i think we need a bot for godwin's law auto-ban 01:19 VanessaE just to take the edge off :) 01:20 MTDiscord i did, i just didnt think it was worth commenting on 01:20 TommyTreasure i almost switched to my alternate nick -- StinkFoot 01:22 TommyTreasure but i have to take 20 lashes from a friend. they think i may have triggered some bad vibes from them. if so, i'm sorry 01:22 MTDiscord heh 01:23 TommyTreasure Johathon, i'm way to onery to do that LOL 01:23 MTDiscord ......? 01:24 TommyTreasure to not comment to a lazy player 01:24 MTDiscord ah, i was actually responding to this "and no one noticed that I keep swapping between" 01:24 VanessaE my work here is done :) 01:25 TommyTreasure too eary to say g'nite 01:25 TommyTreasure before you go, is slots compatible with 5.x? 01:25 MTDiscord oh I'm still here. 01:26 MTDiscord and yes 01:26 TommyTreasure i'm just too lazy to go to github/gitlab to see for myself 01:26 MTDiscord though it has a couple of very minor positioning errors no doubt due to formspec bugfixes since I wrote it. 01:26 TommyTreasure a lot of mods have formspec issues with 5.x 01:28 MTDiscord it depends on which versions of 5x you want to support 01:28 MTDiscord it's nothing significant, just one of the reels is off by like 5px compared to normal 01:28 TommyTreasure speaking of formspecs, my co-admin has an edit for the pipeworks adj, vacuum tube, that makes it easier for mobile devices to use 01:29 TommyTreasure i'm trying to convince them to submit a pr 01:29 timdorohin btw, is there something like 'list of whining and featreqs from MT mod devs' anywhere? 01:29 TommyTreasure yeah, i think they call it the minetest forums 01:29 MTDiscord lol ? 01:30 MTDiscord heh 01:30 timdorohin 'cept from list of closed 'won't add' issues, ofc 01:30 MTDiscord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq86ZgTBSAw&t=6s offtopic, but i semi wish that the other had released more tracks 01:30 MTDiscord i like there style 01:31 TommyTreasure sounds too mellow 01:31 TommyTreasure i've always loved the tunes that simcity used 01:31 TommyTreasure but, there's a ton of money invested in those too. not in the minetest budget 01:32 TommyTreasure VanessaE, anyway, my co-admin wrote a formspec that has a 'set' button, so mobile users could actually enter a radius, and make it work 01:33 TommyTreasure seems as if minetest doesn't allow the 'enter' key to display when the keyboard app opens 01:33 MTDiscord please do file a PR on that 01:34 TommyTreasure just sent them a pm 01:34 TommyTreasure he's done a few PRs in advancedtrains, and most have been accepted too 02:04 MTDiscord if i tried to write a track for minetest, i would be called a boomer XD 02:05 TommyTreasure go for it! i'm only good for a classic rock feel, or a jazz feel 02:06 TommyTreasure and neither of those is really fitting for minetest 02:06 TommyTreasure then you would have to give license for admins to use it 02:07 TommyTreasure that's way over my current minetest payscale 05:52 andrew Hmm, how does MTBot send git pushes to the chat? 06:17 cheapie Bleh... upvalues get... interesting at times, and not always in a good way :P 11:09 sfan5 andrew: it reads the github rss feeds 11:26 tech_exorcist can I register to the wiki with Tor? 11:50 sfan5 you can't register to the wiki at all, we have a forum thread for account requests 14:56 tech_exorcist oh, ok 14:56 tech_exorcist (sorry for my late reply, I just got back) 15:09 tech_exorcist another question: how do I get rid of objects that are just taking up space in my inventory and chests? for example; I somehow have 50 Wheat Seeds and a whole wheat farm which is more than enough for a single player, so where do I put all those? seeds 15:09 tech_exorcist *: 15:09 MTDiscord Into the trash probably? 15:12 tech_exorcist I'm not in creative mode 15:13 tech_exorcist and I don't see any "trashcan" in the inventory (there is one in creative mode) 15:13 MTDiscord Oh. I think you can just throw the item using the (by default) Q key 15:14 tech_exorcist yes 15:14 tech_exorcist but it stays on the ground 15:16 MTDiscord it will disappear eventually 15:18 tech_exorcist oh 15:18 tech_exorcist thanks! :D 15:20 tech_exorcist I keep some things (such as tree leaves) to use them as furnace fuel 15:41 sfan5 you can also use /pulverize 15:46 MTDiscord Isn't there a /clearinv that's like /pulverize but for everything in your inventory? Just put all the good stuff away in chests and take out only the trash, then run that one command. 15:48 MTDiscord yes 15:49 MTDiscord Pulverize and clearinv should not be a part of builtin 15:52 sfan5 true 15:57 MTDiscord They're fine as admin tools, but I usually patch them to require a priv. 16:21 MTDiscord Yeah, some games might require the inventory to remain untouched e.g. for quest items 16:39 MTDiscord Other games may mostly enforce conservation of mass (e.g. NodeCore) 17:42 tech_exorcist Isn't there a /clearinv that's like /pulverize but for everything in your inventory? Just put all the good stuff away in chests and take out only the trash, then run that one command. | not a bad idea 17:42 tech_exorcist you can also use /pulverize | let me see if I have it 17:42 tech_exorcist yep 17:43 tech_exorcist I do have /pulverize 18:04 Rrixxi hi 18:04 Rrixxi can i adversting my server here i search some peoples ;) 18:05 TommyTreasure i don't know if that's allowed, but its something i would never do 18:05 Rrixxi ok thanks 18:05 rubenwardy You should create a forum topic 18:06 rubenwardy and/or reddit post 18:06 rubenwardy make sure that your server has something unique to offer 18:06 Rrixxi okay thx rubenwardy 18:06 rubenwardy there are a lot of servers compared to players 18:06 Rrixxi on reddit minetest? 18:09 Krock it's not forbidden here, but it's unlikely to find players here 18:09 Krock also reddit.com/r/minetest or forum.minetest.net/ 18:10 TommyTreasure rubenwardy, can you pm me regarding your vps host? i'm considering a move there 19:40 tech_exorcist nice /s 19:40 tech_exorcist I just found some mese ore 19:40 tech_exorcist and guess what 19:40 tech_exorcist my inventory is full 19:40 * tech_exorcist /pulverize's something 19:44 tech_exorcist and now I have a mese pickaxe 19:50 absurb has there been any progress on a proper mob system? 19:50 MTDiscord looks at mobkit 19:50 MTDiscord i would say so 19:52 absurb what about bots? 19:52 MTDiscord bots in what context? 19:52 absurb does minetest have any plans for fake clients? if not, i suppose i'll have to try implement it myself 19:53 MTDiscord see mtbotter 19:53 MTDiscord or df 19:53 absurb the problem with bots (right now) is that people just create entities that look like players, but they aren't players at all 19:53 absurb this makes means they don't obey the same game rules as real players, and mods will sometimes not recognize bots as players 19:54 absurb server-side fake clients solves this issue entirely, and would be exceptionally useful for people playing with AI, such as symbolic artificial intelligence and deep learning shenanigans 19:55 MTDiscord some mods make fake players to force load areas with automation 19:55 MTDiscord i believe digtron does this 19:55 absurb oh! 19:55 MTDiscord however from experience i can tell you it isnt the most reliable 19:55 absurb can you elaborate what "df" is? 19:56 MTDiscord well, assume im going to get yelled at, but dragonfire, aka the current "hacked" client for minetest 19:56 absurb oh right 19:56 absurb yeah, fair enough 19:57 absurb ideally i'd like to avoid REAL clients, because they're not very performant 19:57 absurb but looking at the MT code, i don't see any support for fake clients, and i can't find anybody suggesting it or anything 19:58 MTDiscord im not sure about mtbotter, but i believe it striped graphical output out 19:59 absurb mtbotter may be my best option for now, although i'm definitely dreading the memory and CPU overhead 19:59 MTDiscord as a client it should only use one or two threads? since it isnt doing its own mapgen 20:00 hlqkj sorry, maybe someone could help: i'm getting a ton of these, any clue what does it mean and/or how to track what the problem is? 20:00 hlqkj WARNING[Server]: active block modifiers took 226ms (processed 117 of 121 active blocks) 20:00 absurb the problem is that it's keeping a duplicate of the game world in memory, which is acceptable if there's only 1 bot, but if i wanted to run up to 16 bots, this would become a real concern 20:00 MTDiscord and yeah, i would hope mtbotter strips out saving textures in memory 20:01 absurb that said, when i say "world" i mean entities and such, not just nodes 20:01 MTDiscord hlqky: it means a game/mods using a abm took longer than expected 20:01 absurb i think fake clients should be something to consider adding. real clients pose a real concerns obviously since you can make them join any server, whether the server likes it or not, whereas this isn't a concern for fake clients 20:02 hlqkj ok, that's in line with my guess. but, any way to know which one? skipping the usual advice like "disable all mods and enable one at time" ? 20:03 MTDiscord if your on linux grep in your mods dir for minetest.register_abm or whatever it is, and then disable those one at a time 20:04 sfan5 I think the profiler can timekeep ABMs 20:04 MTDiscord if you have some technical experience you can read the code to see what it does and take some more off that list 20:04 hlqkj the profiler can, i tried that, but dunno how to use that info to know which one is generating the warning 20:05 hlqkj no way to have the engine yelling which ABM caused it to print that warning? 20:06 sfan5 that wouldn't be very useful, the warning occurrs as soon as more than 200ms(?) is taken for ABMs 20:06 sfan5 it would tell you which abm moves the time taken from 190 to 200, but you'd want to know which mod contributed the most to those 200ms 20:07 sfan5 if you have the info from the profiler you can look at which ABMs take the most time 20:07 hlqkj gotcha 22:23 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kilbith -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix segfault for model[] without animation speed 13c9eba84 https://git.io/JmFlO (152021-03-21T22:23:30Z) 22:23 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Df458 -> 03minetest/minetest: lua_api.txt: Fix style selector examples 13afe988d https://git.io/JmFl3 (152021-03-21T22:23:14Z) 22:24 MinetestBot 02[git] 04numberZero -> 03minetest/minetest: Restore minimal normal texture support (for minimap shading) 1344ed05d https://git.io/JmFls (152021-03-21T22:22:22Z) 23:49 DS-minetest how can I find out how much a GenericCAO's mesh's vertex positions are offset?