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IRC log for #minetest, 2021-03-02

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02:56 Wuzzy hello. There will be a small party on the JT2 server soon. feel free to join the fun! (requires 0.4.17 client) ๐Ÿ˜Š
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03:57 MTDiscord <Jordach> where's the vomit bag
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04:38 MTDiscord </g/> lol
04:38 MTDiscord <srinivas> > (requires 0.4.17 client) ย or you can use my mtlaucher, the worlds only (afaik) launcher for minetest that has support for both 4.x and 5.x servers
04:38 MTDiscord <srinivas> :p
04:38 MTDiscord </g/> people still use 0.4.17?
04:38 MTDiscord <srinivas> debian 9
04:38 MTDiscord <srinivas> without backports
04:39 MTDiscord <srinivas> centos 7
04:39 MTDiscord <srinivas> centos 8
04:39 MTDiscord </g/> Ah yes, distro shenanigans
04:39 MTDiscord <srinivas> a whole lot of fun
04:39 MTDiscord <srinivas> come use arch, we got 5.4 on the day it was released
04:40 MTDiscord <srinivas> npm 7 in testing repos, it released about 10 hours ago
04:41 MTDiscord <srinivas> kernel 5.11.1
04:41 MTDiscord <srinivas> python3.9
04:41 MTDiscord <srinivas> must i go on?
04:41 MTDiscord </g/> any luck compiling a version 5 client or Server?
04:41 MTDiscord <srinivas> on linux?
04:42 MTDiscord <srinivas> tis a breeze
04:42 MTDiscord <srinivas> however
04:42 MTDiscord <srinivas> there may be library issues
04:42 MTDiscord <srinivas> so that can theoretically complicate things
04:43 MTDiscord </g/> pain
04:43 MTDiscord <srinivas> but worst case, you will need to pull manually
04:43 MTDiscord <srinivas> and compile
04:43 MTDiscord <srinivas> so the only thing you really need is a recent enough libc
04:43 MTDiscord <srinivas> and a bit of elbow grease
04:44 MTDiscord <Jonathon> why doesnt jt2 upgrade to 5.x? ๐Ÿค”
04:58 MTDiscord <Jordach> the elephant in the room
04:58 MTDiscord <Jordach> android
04:58 MTDiscord <Jordach> mobile clients ruined minetest
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05:28 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Not mobile clients, just specifically the never-official iOS version
05:29 MTDiscord <Warr1024> At least android can keep up with the current version, even if the controls are awkward
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06:02 MTDiscord </g/> well on the contrary, mobile clients helped expand our playerbase in a sense
06:03 MTDiscord </g/> it just needs more tinkering
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08:59 MTDiscord <IhrFussel> AFAIK JT2 runs on a highly modified engine, so after upgrade they would've to incorporate their custom c++ changes again
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15:37 Rowowan Does Minetest not have mobs?
15:37 sfan5 you can install mods for that
15:38 Rowowan What about hunger?
15:39 sfan5 same
15:39 Rowowan Pardon me for asking, but if the features are present, why aren't they in base?
15:43 sfan5 first there's a distinction to be made between Minetest (the engine) and Minetest Game, which is probably what you are looking at
15:43 IceDragon At the end of the day, minetest is but an engine and doesn't assume any defaults outside of the bare minimum (and to remain lightweight to download), I assume by base you mean minetest_game, most mods should be compatible with it, and sfan5 beat me to it...
15:43 sfan5 the engine only provides the possibilities the games decide what to add and provide the content. now for why Minetest Game has no mobs, that's a complicated story
15:44 IceDragon short answer: mobs are hard
15:44 sfan5 if you were to download e.g. MineClone2 (another game for the Minetest engine) you'd find that it does have mobs
15:45 Rowowan Ooooh.
15:45 Rowowan yeah, I meant Minetest_Game.
15:46 Rowowan So, which is the closest Minecraft clone?
15:46 sfan5 MineClone2 has that exact goal
15:46 MTDiscord <Jonathon> mineclone2, or crafter
15:47 MTDiscord <Jonathon> crafter is pretty much dead and the some parts of it have been merged/worked into mineclone2
15:50 Rowowan Okay, cool.
15:50 Rowowan So, what exactly does contributing to MineTest itself mean?
15:56 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Contributing to minetest would generally involve making and publishing mods, and eventually games, and/or making engine improvments.
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16:55 adfeno Hi, how does strict_protocol_version_checking compare "old clients" ?
16:56 adfeno Is it using the full version number, major.middle.minor or does it let 5.x.x clients connect to 5.3.0 ?
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17:02 rubenwardy protocol numbers
17:04 adfeno Ah, OK
17:04 adfeno So it differs from version number
17:04 adfeno (I meant, it users protocol numbers instead)
17:04 adfeno Thank you ;)
17:10 tech_exorcist with some code editing, would it be possible to connect a 5.4.0 client to a (yes, this is oddly specific) 0.4.14-dev-719bd6b server? (which is actually a spheretest server; it turns out that you can connect 0.4.something stock clients to spheretest servers, and sphreretest clients to 0.4.the-same-something stock servers)
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17:31 rubenwardy you'd need a lot of code editing, tech_exorcist, we intentionally broke network compat to simplify code
17:32 MTDiscord <Jonathon> 4x connecting to 5x has already been done
17:33 MTDiscord <Jonathon> Altho thats flip of what you want
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17:35 tech_exorcist rubenwardy, ok
17:35 tech_exorcist @Jonathon, how has it been done though?
17:36 MTDiscord <Jonathon> See any multicraft2.0 server on the serverlist
17:38 MTDiscord <Jonathon> Tbh, seems like it would be easier to make the sphere stuff work in 5x than trying to go backwards
17:38 MTDiscord <Jonathon> But im i dont know much about the sphere
17:39 MTDiscord <Jonathon> *but i
17:41 twoelk going forwards should be more rewarding than going backwards
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18:09 adfeno Hi there, which connections does servers.minetest.net make to announced servers?
18:09 adfeno (whether it's ICMP, UDP/TCP and port number)
18:12 sfan5 udp to the port your server is running on
18:14 adfeno Ah, thanks ;)
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18:47 tech_exorcist is https://servers.minetest.net's backend code free as in freedom?
18:48 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/serverlist
18:49 tech_exorcist I meant the part that contacts servers, sorry for misexplaining
18:49 tech_exorcist :-)
18:50 sfan5 it's in there
18:50 tech_exorcist thanks anyway
18:50 tech_exorcist oh
18:50 tech_exorcist nice
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18:51 tech_exorcist thanks :-)
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20:59 tech_exorcist has anyone here tried out spheretest? (I'm not the developer)
21:04 xerox123 a while ago, yes
21:05 tech_exorcist we need a #minetest-offtopic, imho
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21:08 sfan5 why? offtopic is allowed here
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21:12 tech_exorcist oh
21:12 tech_exorcist ok
21:12 tech_exorcist :-)
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