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IRC log for #minetest, 2020-10-23

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00:01 KacperMinetest bash minetestserver
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00:29 MTDiscord <L‚Äčone_Wolf> Wait, is that how you're supposed to launch programs? I just ./minetestserver
00:31 perrier I started a dedicated server without the ./
00:31 perrier !up 69.247.56.186:30003
00:31 MinetestBot 69.247.56.186:30003 is up (130ms)
00:31 Noclip KacperMinetest, @Lone_Wolf: Launching it with bash seems to be the issue.
00:32 Noclip If I do "bash minetest" I get an error.
00:33 Noclip But "bash firefox" works, just don't ask me why. ūüėā
00:35 Emerald2 I just type the name of the program and it looks through various directories where programs would be found until it finds it.
00:37 Noclip Emerald2: Yea but that only works if your programm is within one of those directories that are specified in the PATH variable.
00:37 Emerald2 True.
00:38 Noclip And if it's not you either have to execute it via the full path or put "./" in front of it in case it's in your working directory.
00:39 KacperMinetest Yeah, using bash was the problem
00:40 Noclip KacperMinetest: Running a file with "bash filename" only works if your file is a bash script but not if it's a binary file.
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00:40 Emerald2 I'd never heard of running either that way.
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00:43 Noclip If you put "#!/bin/sh" or "#!/bin/bash" in the first line of your bash script and make the file executable you can also run it with "./filename". Normally you don't run execute things with "bash filename". You should really get that weird idea out of your head.
00:47 Noclip Emerald2: "bash [options] [command_string | file]"
00:47 Noclip If you run a bash script with "bash filename" you don't have to make it executeable and you can leave out the "#!/bin/bash" headline.
00:48 Emerald2 Yeah I knew about that first bit being the way to do it.
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01:16 SX oh that "include -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1", is that basically portable minetest (as in common portable software distributions)?
01:17 SX been playing with symlinks to keep sanity, that sounds a lot better if I got it right :)
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01:20 MTDiscord <L‚Äčone_Wolf> Ye, portable minetest
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06:32 tango_ I wish  MT had directional lightss 8-P
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06:54 MTDiscord <s‚Äčrinivas> hmm, it could be implementable with particles?
07:12 tango_ srinivas: in what sense?
07:13 tango_ my idea with a directiona light would be that it only lights up blocks in a certain direction, but with the benefit that it decays more slowly (say 1 every 4 or 8 blocks)
07:13 tango_ if I remember how lighting was done in MT, this isn't something you can readily implement
07:13 MTDiscord <s‚Äčrinivas> well, you create particles with their own low glow, and it may just about work out
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08:06 MTDiscord <I‚ÄčhrFussel> Do particles actually emit light? I know entity glow doesn't
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09:34 anon5[m] no
09:35 anon5[m] only light source blocks and the sun emit light
09:36 MTDiscord <B‚Äčlais3> meep meep
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10:55 MTDiscord <s‚Äčrinivas> oh well
10:55 MTDiscord <s‚Äčrinivas> !tell tango_ looks like i was wrong about that implementation of particles
10:56 MTDiscord <s‚Äčrinivas> /tell !tell tango_ looks like i was wrong about that implementation of particles
11:03 tango_ srinivas: np, I'm online and I've seen it
11:06 blaise lol
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11:34 tango_ but thanks anyway 8-)
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14:50 tango_ is it possible for nodes to have connections specifications based on the node they are connecting to?
14:55 Wuzzy tango_: ?
14:56 Wuzzy tango_: look for "connects_to" in lua_api.txt. but i don't think i understand what you want
14:57 tango_ Wuzzy: very poorly phrased on my side, sorry. I'll try to explain with an example: consider the wall for example. When it's ‚Äúalone‚ÄĚ it appears like a post, but when it ‚Äúconnects‚ÄĚ (e.g. to a nearby wall or stone block) its appearance changes due to the connecting part of the box
14:57 tango_ this connecting part seems to be independent from the type of the node it connects to
14:57 Wuzzy oh ok.
14:57 tango_ so I was wondering if it's possible to specify different forms or textures for the connection based on the node type
14:58 Wuzzy if a node connects, there can only be one connection style, sorry
14:58 Wuzzy you cannot change how the connection looks, you can only determine *when* the node connects
14:58 tango_ I see 8-/
14:59 Wuzzy what would always work as a workaround is by regiestering new nodes ... which sucks a little
14:59 tango_ how would that work?
14:59 tango_ you can change a node based on a nearby node?
15:02 Wuzzy well you need to figure out the workaround yourself, sorry
15:02 Wuzzy minetets does not help you here
15:02 Wuzzy and obviously, client speedup flies out of the window, no matter what you do
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15:05 tango_ 8-/
15:05 Wuzzy tango_: fyi, before we had connects_to, there was already a walls mod
15:06 Wuzzy the trick was just registering a node for every possible wall/connection node, and needed a LOT of callbacks to update neighbor walls by hand, etc
15:08 tango_ that's a horrible hack
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16:21 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> Wuzzy re sprite based players and attachments
16:21 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> I don‚Äôt believe there is a way to cull the sprite cisually
16:22 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> Hiding the sprite removes attachment visibility as it then removes the parent
16:23 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> In other words parent visibility affects attachments
16:24 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> Easiest way would be to set the texture to an invisible pixel
16:25 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> But that wouldn‚Äôt affect other clients just local CAO
16:26 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> Fortunately because of third person mode resetting visibility for attachments I could hook that and specifically set sprite mode manually
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16:27 Wuzzy why cant the sprite just not be hidden depending on the camera mode?
16:28 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> Because that would remove any first person attachment
16:28 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> Because parent visibility overrides attachments
16:30 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> I believe the hack for checking object type might actually return false for meshes
16:32 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> Non meshes like sprites
16:32 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> I‚Äôll tear apart content cao later
16:37 Wuzzy ???????????????????
16:37 Wuzzy wtf?
16:37 Wuzzy are we talking about the same bug?
16:43 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> Yes
16:43 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> The hack kicks in when player mesh is set
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16:44 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> Because of the camera being exactly centred on the sprite
16:44 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> It‚Äôs effectively invisible
16:45 big_caballito[m] is there a 16px TP that support etheral?
16:45 big_caballito[m] the 32px textures are ugly
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18:41 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> local man almost executes a minetestserver on iPhone with emulated x86
18:41 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/769269319439613982/image0.png
18:42 Krock just a few instructions missing
18:43 Krock pretty cool tho
18:44 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> considering it's a VM on ARM64V7
18:45 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> if the app actually gets SSE2+ in the VM
18:45 MTDiscord <J‚Äčordach> it may actually be possible to properly get Minetest on iOS without the usage of multicraft
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19:21 big_caballito[m] perrier: My connection timed out, that's why I left
19:21 big_caballito[m] Is that on my end or yours?
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19:40 MTDiscord <G‚Äčenshin> ūüí™
20:02 Fixer damn, they dmcaed youtube-dl... wtf
20:02 big_caballito[m] ?
20:03 cheapie Odds are someone will just fork it and it'll reappear elsewhere. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
20:16 MTDiscord <L‚Äčone_Wolf> Ouch
20:25 Calinou you can probably grab it from pip in the meantime
20:25 Calinou pip install --upgrade --user youtube-dl
20:25 Calinou that's where I grab it from, so it's always up-to-date
20:25 Calinou https://pypi.org/project/youtube_dl/
20:25 Calinou it's with a underscore actually, but both work
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20:54 cheapie Also available here, among other places: http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/y/youtube-dl/youtube-dl_2020.09.14.orig.tar.gz
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20:59 Montresor 2020.09.20 is the latest version, however.
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23:17 a1fa hello
23:19 garywhite hello a1fa
23:21 a1fa so I made myself a server admin with name = "player_name"
23:21 a1fa is there anything else that needs to be changed?
23:22 a1fa but it's not letting me /grantme all
23:23 garywhite Is there another admin account?
23:24 a1fa no
23:26 garywhite hmm, is the server just in singleplayer?
23:27 a1fa not sure, mineclone2, and creative mode
23:27 a1fa i see the user_priv table has me as shout
23:27 a1fa and interact
23:27 a1fa should i drop admin in there too?
23:28 a1fa is the format all?
23:30 garywhite adding the privs priv might solve your problem
23:31 garywhite since admin isn't a priv in MT afaik
23:32 a1fa insert into user_privileges (id,privilege) values (30,privs);
23:33 garywhite worth a try I guess
23:33 a1fa that did it
23:39 garywhite hooray
23:41 a1fa are there any more pre-fabs /spawnstruct to be downloaded?
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