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lmat |
I did /area_pos1 and /area_pos2 then /set_owner (or /protect I forgot which), but the area is not protected. |
| 01:56 |
lmat |
/list_areas shows the area and good coordinates, but other players are able to smash stuff in itt. |
| 01:56 |
lmat |
Is there a difference between /set_owner and /protect in this regard? |
| 01:56 |
lmat |
(Of course, assuming the command succeeds...) |
| 01:59 |
lmat |
oh, maybe I have the area definition off... :/= |
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lmat |
:-/ |
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lmat |
Yeah, missed a negative sign. |
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grey__ |
Hey |
| 03:04 |
grey__ |
question |
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grey__ |
Does minetest on android need to be the same version as your server for it to work on LAN? |
| 03:06 |
grey__ |
I'm trying to get my phone connected to my linux server on my LAN. |
| 03:07 |
grey__ |
I just get connection timed out. |
| 03:25 |
misspapaya |
spiders keep crashing my server :'( |
| 03:57 |
tf2ftw |
anyone just join the game as player "1234" |
| 04:14 |
cheapie |
So I'm making a Luacontroller-based car wash in MT... I'm up to 649 lines so far and it doesn't actually wash anything yet. |
| 04:14 |
cheapie |
That said, it's getting closer - with those 649 lines, the UI for programming in the various wash cycles is more or less done. |
| 04:15 |
cheapie |
Looks kinda like this so far: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20200411_231508.png |
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nephele |
grey__, no, not neccesarily, and connection timed out would not be the error you get for an incompatible version :) |
| 04:37 |
nephele |
cheapie, heh, not gonna lie, 649 lines seems a bit much ;) |
| 04:38 |
cheapie |
nephele: The gas pump one has 940. |
| 04:38 |
cheapie |
Granted, about 200 of each is TSLib. |
| 04:38 |
nephele |
oof. |
| 04:38 |
nephele |
Now i'm kinda curious what you do in all that code :P |
| 04:39 |
cheapie |
For which one? :P |
| 04:39 |
nephele |
my gamemode has 2850 lines according to wc -l (i think that counted the init.lua severall times, but whatever) :D |
| 04:41 |
cheapie |
The gas pump one controls as many pumps as you want with as many products/grades as you want (limited only by luacontroller_maxevents), keeps track of prepayments and "card" payments, prints receipts, stores and can reprint past receipts, displays current prices on attached signage, automatically updates prices over the internet... |
| 04:52 |
grey__ |
nephele OH Well |
| 04:52 |
grey__ |
nephele If I host the game on my phone it works. |
| 04:52 |
nephele |
Hmm, that might be a firewall problem then? |
| 04:53 |
grey__ |
nephele When is the phone version going to be updated? It looks like it's out of date by like 3 months? I can join games hosted on my phone from my PC but I can't join games hosted on my PC from my phone. |
| 04:53 |
grey__ |
I have no firewall. |
| 04:54 |
nephele |
Sorry, i do not know when it will be updated :) |
| 04:55 |
grey__ |
Idk if that could be it? |
| 04:55 |
grey__ |
I want to host the games on my PC. |
| 04:55 |
grey__ |
What should I do? |
| 04:55 |
Noclip |
grey__: What OS are you using on your PC? |
| 04:55 |
grey__ |
Linux |
| 04:56 |
Noclip |
Are you really sure, that you don't have a firewall? |
| 04:57 |
grey__ |
I've never installed one. |
| 04:57 |
Noclip |
What happens if you type `ufw` into a terminal? |
| 04:58 |
grey__ |
grey golem:~/bin/minetest-master/bin$ ufwERROR: not enough args |
| 04:59 |
Noclip |
Looks like ufw ist installed, otherwise it should say something like unknown command. |
| 04:59 |
Noclip |
Then type: `sudo ufw status verbose` |
| 05:00 |
grey__ |
Oh |
| 05:00 |
Noclip |
(Or just `ufw status verbose` as root ...) |
| 05:00 |
grey__ |
Status: activeLogging: on (low)Default: deny (incoming), allow (outgoing), disabled (routed)New profiles: skip |
| 05:00 |
grey__ |
Hm |
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nephele |
grey__, linux ships with a standard firewall called "iptables" |
| 05:00 |
nephele |
there is no need to seperately install one |
| 05:01 |
nephele |
whether it is configured is another question though |
| 05:01 |
nephele |
>Default: deny (incoming) |
| 05:01 |
nephele |
You have to make it accept, udp, on port 30000 |
| 05:02 |
nephele |
noclip seems to know the ufw command anyway :P, maybe he can help out |
| 05:02 |
Noclip |
`sudo ufw allow 30000` |
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grey__ |
I see. Hunh. I didn't know. |
| 05:03 |
Noclip |
`sudo ufw reload` |
| 05:03 |
Noclip |
Now it should work. |
| 05:04 |
Noclip |
Which Linux Distro are you using? Ubuntu and Linux Mint should have their firewalls (ufw) deactivated by default. |
| 05:04 |
grey__ |
OH |
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grey__ |
Yeah that worked. |
| 05:05 |
grey__ |
I'm using a ubuntu derivative |
| 05:05 |
grey__ |
That does it! Thank you! |
| 05:06 |
Noclip |
You're welcome |
| 05:11 |
Noclip |
Maybe someone should place some big Firewall-warnings inside of every (official) Minetest-Server related tutorial and documentation. 90% of all issues with setting up a minetest server seem to be related to firewalls. |
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grey__ |
Thank you so much! |
| 05:25 |
Noclip |
Can the Minetest Server manipulate the seed that I see with F5? |
| 05:26 |
nephele |
You can set an initial seed if you want |
| 05:28 |
nephele |
I think it stores it per world, you can maaayb change it after generating part of the world? but then you get nice cliffs :D |
| 05:33 |
Noclip |
I think you missunderstood me: |
| 05:33 |
Noclip |
Let's assume I would play on a random public server that I don't own. Let's also assume that we know that the server uses one of the builtin mapgens (v7 for example) and doesn't use any mods with a high impact on the mapgen. |
| 05:33 |
Noclip |
Would it then be possible that the _seed_ which I see in the F5-Infos is not the seed that is actually used for the generation of new chunks? |
| 05:33 |
Noclip |
In short: Can the server lie about the seed? |
| 05:34 |
nephele |
That is a network question to which i don't know the answer, but i assume the answer is Yes, if your axiom (that it uses v7) is wrong |
| 05:35 |
Noclip |
That's why I said _"Let's also assume that we know ..."_. |
| 05:35 |
nephele |
it could potentially overwrite every generated chunk in luaspace so in that way it could "lie" :) |
| 05:36 |
nephele |
If there is an easier way, probably |
| 05:36 |
nephele |
In any case you would need the same code for all biomes and decos etc. to get the same terrain with the same seed |
| 05:40 |
Noclip |
Do you know how my client is informed about the seed? If the server just sends it as a string to the client it might not be hard to manipulate that string by hacking (changing it's source and then building it) the server. |
| 05:41 |
Noclip |
(I called it hacking because customized clients are also often called hacked clients ...) |
| 05:41 |
nephele |
that's not hacking, that's just patching |
| 05:42 |
nephele |
I don't know how it is send sorry |
| 05:42 |
nephele |
but the worldgen is usually only serverside i think? because lua worldgen only runs serverside |
| 05:42 |
nephele |
so no real easy way to predict where terrain would be precisely |
| 05:44 |
Hawk777 |
Seems to me there would be any number of easy ways to accomplish that. (1) modify the server code to send one seed number but internally actually use a different one is one option, but how about also (2) write another mapgen which works differently, but give it the same name as a well-known one? |
| 05:45 |
Noclip |
Using lua just to make your mapgen unpredictable sounds like a good way to overload your server as lua isn't that fast for world generation. |
| 05:46 |
Hawk777 |
Well, I was assuming you’d do it in either Lua or C++, whichever was more convenient for the task at hand. |
| 05:47 |
* Hawk777 |
honestly doesn’t know which language existing mapgens are written in… |
| 05:48 |
Noclip |
Hawk777: You could also change some of the mapgen parameters in `minetest.conf`. |
| 05:48 |
Noclip |
The builtin mapgens are written in C++ as far as I know. |
| 05:49 |
nephele |
Noclip, lua is fine, it's all JIT'ed anyway |
| 05:49 |
Hawk777 |
You could even modify the server to send to the client the real seed XORed with a specific hardcoded value; then you could run a whole fleet of servers with different seeds, and anyone who knows the magic value could get the real seed (presumably to replicate and explore the world offline) while anyone who doesn’t would be in the dark… |
| 05:50 |
Noclip |
So a lua mapgen doesn't has to be (much) slower than a builtin C++ mapgen? |
| 05:51 |
nephele |
No, not neccesarily |
| 05:51 |
nephele |
what is slow is copying values from one scope to another, so that could give you considerable overhead |
| 05:51 |
nephele |
it probably is slower though :D |
| 05:56 |
Noclip |
I tried the Tectionia mapgen (lua mod) a while ago and it was horribly slow! I somtimes had to wait a minute for a single chunk to generate. The mod author said the code would be really bad and causing the slow generation but I didn't expect it to be that bad. I assumed lua would be a big part of that problem. |
| 05:56 |
Noclip |
*Tectonic mapgen |
| 05:57 |
Noclip |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=20066 |
| 05:57 |
Noclip |
It looks really awesome but flying around and waiting for the terrain to generate is really a pain :( |
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Noclip |
!cmd ME thinking about floatlands: What's so bad about water leaking from the (rare) lakes? |
| 06:07 |
Noclip |
Well it was a try ... |
| 06:10 |
* Noclip |
tests something. |
| 06:13 |
Noclip |
Ahh, that works! (The floatland question wasn't just a test.) |
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cheapie |
I think that car wash controller is finally about done, came out to 803 lines. |
| 06:34 |
cheapie |
Now I just need to finish building the actual car wash, and then program in the wash cycles I want :P |
| 06:52 |
Noclip |
I've replaced a ContentDB mod by it's newer github version and the builtin ContentDB manager now shows it as not installed. How does it know that? Does it generate and compare checksums? |
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Noclip |
(I like that ?) |
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ANAND |
CDB adds extra fields to mod.conf to keep track of currently installed version |
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ANAND |
AFAIK, CDB checks for the presence of these fields to know if the mod is installed via CDB or not. |
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Kimapr |
minetest eats too much bandwidth |
| 08:10 |
Kimapr |
on a server where pretty much nothing around me changes it manages to eat 55-66 KiB/s (where KiB is 1024 bytes) of it |
| 08:11 |
sfan5 |
that depends very much on the mods you have installed |
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sfan5 |
I know of some mods that send the same data 60 times a second if it hasn't changed |
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* nephele |
makes a mental note to allow animated formspecs to be disabled |
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MinetestBot |
[git] tsao-chi -> minetest/minetest: Dockerfile: use alpine to reduce size (#9226) d7e706a https://git.io/JvjL2 (2020-04-12T09:00:56Z) |
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Kimapr |
sfan5: well it is just plain nodecore with several mods |
| 09:43 |
Krock |
add profiler entries to the packet handler |
| 09:43 |
Krock |
then use F6 to find the most sent packet |
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sfan5 |
can't say anything specifically about nodecore, consider asking their devs about it |
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Kimapr |
i don't understand these symbols in profiler at all |
| 09:46 |
Kimapr |
where can i see how many of which packet is sent? |
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sfan5 |
without code change the only way is the --verbose log |
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Kimapr |
so you say i have to look at each packet sent and count them up? |
| 09:52 |
sfan5 |
every 20 seconds it prints a "client packetcounter" (values reset every 20s) |
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Krock |
or code change: in server.cpp handleCommand() L1042: ScopeProfiler sp(g_profiler, "ServerPkt (sum) " + pkt->getCommand()); |
| 09:57 |
Krock |
respectively in client.cpp, same function, same code |
| 09:57 |
Krock |
this will add entries for each packet in the F6 profiler |
| 09:59 |
Kimapr |
`grep -o 'client packetcounter' .minetest/debug.txt` found nothing |
| 10:01 |
Kimapr |
how do i grep those "client packetcounters"? |
| 10:02 |
MinetestBot |
[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: GUIFormSpecMenu: Add basic element highlighing debug feature (#9423) 6cf15cf https://git.io/JvjtD (2020-04-12T10:02:32Z) |
| 10:03 |
Kimapr |
oooooof |
| 10:03 |
Kimapr |
i said `minetest --verbose` but it didn't go verbose in debug.txt |
| 10:03 |
Kimapr |
inconsistencyyyyy-y-y |
| 10:05 |
Kimapr |
and it doesn't follow `|` and `>` |
| 10:05 |
Kimapr |
it just dumps it all to terminal |
| 10:06 |
sfan5 |
it does if you use 2>&1 |
| 10:06 |
Kimapr |
what does dat mean |
| 10:07 |
nephele |
it means redirect STDERR to STDOUT |
| 10:08 |
Kimapr |
and no, it doesn't follow expected behaviour even if i use 2>&1 |
| 10:08 |
Kimapr |
now it doesn't write to the file i'm redirecting it to at all |
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Kimapr |
> minetest --verbose 2>&1| cat > debug.txt |
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nephele |
why the | cat ? |
| 10:12 |
Kimapr |
to write it to file |
| 10:12 |
nephele |
Not neccesary |
| 10:12 |
nephele |
> blah |
| 10:12 |
Kimapr |
no it is |
| 10:12 |
nephele |
is the part that writes to a file |
| 10:12 |
Kimapr |
it doesn't work the other way |
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nephele |
> is the thing that opens the file on the rightside hand, and uses the STDOUT from the command on the left to write to the file |
| 10:13 |
Kimapr |
> minetest --verbose 2>&1 > debug.txt |
| 10:13 |
lmat |
minetest --verbose >& debug.txt |
| 10:13 |
Kimapr |
i tried the command i sent above and it didn't work |
| 10:13 |
nephele |
Kimapr, Sorry, but that is just wrong, try this instead "minetest --verbose 2> log.txt" or &> instead of 2> |
| 10:13 |
lmat |
Kimapr: Yours doesn't work minetest --verbose > debug.txt 2>&1; |
| 10:14 |
Kimapr |
`minetest --verbose 2>&1| cat > debug.txt` works |
| 10:14 |
Kimapr |
so i'm fine with that |
| 10:18 |
Krock |
how about: minetest --verbose > debug.txt 2>&1 |
| 10:20 |
Krock |
it logs to a debug.txt here, although I don't have error messages that would need to be redirected |
| 10:20 |
Kimapr |
so i found this |
| 10:20 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: Client packetcounter (20): |
| 10:20 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 2 count 1 |
| 10:20 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 3 count 1 |
| 10:20 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 32 count 399 |
| 10:20 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 39 count 2 |
| 10:20 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 41 count 4 |
| 10:20 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 42 count 1 |
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Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 49 count 10 |
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Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 50 count 599 |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 51 count 3 |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 52 count 1 |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 58 count 1 |
| 10:21 |
Krock |
thanks for pastebin |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 60 count 1 |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 61 count 1 |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 63 count 5 |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 65 count 1 |
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Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 66 count 2 |
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Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 69 count 1 |
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Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 73 count 1 |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 76 count 2 |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 77 count 3 |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 78 count 1 |
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Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 79 count 1 |
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Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 80 count 1 |
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Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 86 count 2 |
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Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 89 count 16 |
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Kimapr |
2020-04-12 15:15:47: INFO[Main]: cmd 96 count 1 |
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Kimapr |
oops |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
sorry this is too big |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
looked smaller in the editor |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
https://paste.debian.net/1139889/ |
| 10:21 |
Krock |
TOCLIENT_ACTIVE_OBJECT_MESSAGES = 0x32, |
| 10:21 |
Kimapr |
here |
| 10:21 |
Krock |
that's alright |
| 10:22 |
rubenwardy |
Command 50 and 32 are suspicious |
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rubenwardy |
Also, shame this doesn't tell you bytes or presumably fragmented packets |
| 10:22 |
rubenwardy |
Big packets could be fragmented |
| 10:22 |
Krock |
TOCLIENT_BLOCKDATA = 0x20, //TODO: Multiple blocks |
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Krock |
so you're getting many object messages and block data. former should be a bit lower, I think |
| 10:23 |
Kimapr |
what is cmd 50? |
| 10:23 |
Kimapr |
ah |
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lmat |
Kimapr: "useless use of cat" :-) (from earlier ^_^) |
| 10:23 |
Kimapr |
cats are cute |
| 10:24 |
lmat |
No argument there. |
| 10:24 |
sfan5 |
hmm I guess it could count bytes too |
| 10:24 |
rubenwardy |
Is the logging definitely in hexadecimal, Krock ? |
| 10:24 |
sfan5 |
the logging is decimal |
| 10:24 |
sfan5 |
in the dev version it also already resolves the ID to a packet name |
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rubenwardy |
Then the IDs you gave were wrong |
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rubenwardy |
Oh wait, that's what 0x20=32 |
| 10:25 |
rubenwardy |
And 0x32=50 |
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rubenwardy |
I just woke up |
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Kimapr |
MTG uses less bandwidth but is less fun |
| 10:26 |
Kimapr |
https://paste.debian.net/1139890/ |
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sfan5 |
might be worth checking out what all those object messages are |
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lmat |
How do I find jungle grass? I need some otton. |
| 11:03 |
lmat |
I should say...I need a bed ^_^ |
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nephele |
search for jungle :D |
| 11:04 |
lmat |
okay, I'll continue |
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lmat |
ice, ice as far as the eye can see! |
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sfan5 |
I hate it when I create a new work and spawn in an ice biome |
| 11:11 |
sfan5 |
they seem way to common |
| 11:11 |
sfan5 |
too |
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nephele |
I was wondering if there is a way to get the mapgen to lay out the entire heat and humidity map in a specified area :) |
| 11:12 |
nephele |
To make maybe, tinier worlds more reliably, or make looping worlds potentially |
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lmat |
Great, the ice gave way to desert. |
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nephele |
(X) doubt |
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lmat |
Maybe I fell asleep part of the way... |
| 11:17 |
nephele |
if you don't have fast mode on maybe enable that |
| 11:17 |
nephele |
then you can press e to go fast |
| 11:17 |
lmat |
Does that work on a boat? |
| 11:17 |
nephele |
I have no idea actually :) |
| 11:18 |
lmat |
I found ferns... |
| 11:18 |
lmat |
I guess that doesn't count as jungle. |
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Astrobe |
The other day I had to remake a world like 10 times because it came spawing me in large unfriendy biomes. Next time I'll try /find_biome. |
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lmat |
Are boats faster than walking? |
| 11:31 |
nephele |
depends if you use speed mode or not |
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Noclip |
lmat: You could use _Amidst for Minetest_ (https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=19869) to find a jungle biom. |
| 11:39 |
Krock |
Amidst for Minetest |
| 11:41 |
Noclip |
How do you do that? |
| 11:42 |
Krock |
I have shorthand key presses using ctrl+[UIB] |
| 11:42 |
Krock |
(hexchat client) |
| 11:43 |
nephele |
Lol, i did not know |
| 11:43 |
Krock |
,04know what? |
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lmat |
I found some jungle grass but it's really sparse. |
| 11:45 |
nephele |
execute it for the common good, that'll show it to be sparse! |
| 11:45 |
lmat |
found some cotton seed. |
| 11:47 |
Noclip |
Im bridged in via matrix using the riot client and riot supports markdown so the underscores should make the text between italic. Inside the matrix room that worked fine but in the irc room it didn't. |
| 11:48 |
nephele |
the matrix bridge is shit |
| 11:50 |
Noclip |
It's a bit laggy but at the moment it seems to work fine. |
| 11:51 |
nephele |
No, it doesn't :) |
| 11:54 |
Noclip |
How do you mean that? You get my messages and I get your's. Wouldn't you consider that as "working fine"? |
| 11:54 |
sfan5 |
well it doesn't translate formatting correctly |
| 11:56 |
nephele |
Noclip, Because your axiom is wrong, there is a very simple exploit against the bridge utilizing a "feature" it uses, i can execute a very very easy denial of service, and all i need is a matrix account and join the room |
| 11:56 |
Noclip |
Yea, not everything but some formattings already work perfectly fine. |
| 12:02 |
Noclip |
Ok and what would the result of that horrofic exploit look like? (I'm not asking you to show it, just to describe it ?.) |
| 12:03 |
nephele |
You can't read the irc messages anymore because i can replace arbitrary words with other arbitrary words |
| 12:05 |
Noclip |
Well that doesn't sound that horrific at all or does it also effect other peoples messages? |
| 12:06 |
nephele |
It affects all messages |
| 12:06 |
nephele |
atleast from irc -> matrix |
| 12:06 |
nephele |
but enough about that, this is the minetest channel :) |
| 12:14 |
Noclip |
Ok now it sounds horrific ... |
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freelikegnu |
is a "Select your spawn biome" option unrealistic? |
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sfan5 |
no |
| 15:06 |
Krock |
if you want it before the world is shown to the client, it would require some work in the engine |
| 15:06 |
freelikegnu |
I would appreciate such an option |
| 15:06 |
Krock |
else you can just lock a player somewhere in the air and write a mod to check some locations |
| 15:07 |
Krock |
takes probably half an hour to implement |
| 15:07 |
Krock |
using the "spawn" API from minetest_game |
| 15:09 |
Noclip |
I have a different idea if you want it just for you or your server: Search until you find the biom, then set the spawn to that point. |
| 15:11 |
Noclip |
Do players spawn always at the same exact node if there is NO spawn set in minetest.conf? |
| 15:11 |
Astrobe |
That can be time consuming, though. |
| 15:11 |
freelikegnu |
I think it would be nice for a player to get list of available biomes to chose from regardless of mods installed as a feature of the engine |
| 15:11 |
zughy |
^ |
| 15:12 |
Astrobe |
Someone published the other day a "decomposition" of the seed value |
| 15:12 |
freelikegnu |
:o |
| 15:12 |
Astrobe |
Saying that some digits correspond to certain things, including biomes at spawn point, IIRC. |
| 15:13 |
sfan5 |
Noclip: the position is not saved but I think the process might be deterministic enough that it's always the same |
| 15:13 |
freelikegnu |
that takes me back to putting random codes into NES Metroid as a kid |
| 15:14 |
zughy |
also guys, sorry if I jump in: where is the general menu style defined? I mean the shaded black-grey image under every button and such. I thought it was in builtin/textures/base/pack but apparently I was wrong |
| 15:14 |
Astrobe |
Having lists of seeds is quite common in roglikes and other procgen-based games. |
| 15:15 |
Noclip |
Astrobe: If you use "Amidst for Minetest" it should take you less than a minute. |
| 15:15 |
zughy |
*minetest, not builtin |
| 15:15 |
DS-minetest |
zughy: it's not an image, it's a hardcoded color gradient |
| 15:16 |
zughy |
It's the gradient defined in the C++ version or in Lua? |
| 15:16 |
sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/client/renderingengine.cpp#L151 |
| 15:16 |
zughy |
ty |
| 15:16 |
sfan5 |
the looks are part of Irrlicht's code |
| 15:18 |
freelikegnu |
for a UI that says: "Ah this game is built with Irrlicht!" |
| 15:18 |
DS-minetest |
hm, minetest could provide an own iguiskin |
| 15:19 |
zughy |
yeah, that's what I'm trying to customise ahah |
| 15:19 |
DS-minetest |
or just change the colors |
| 15:19 |
nephele |
minetest definetely needs to be more pink :D |
| 15:20 |
DS-minetest |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/6cf15cf872cc9ce76990d83d380ca3c4b7485eb1/src/client/clientlauncher.cpp#L129 |
| 15:21 |
* freelikegnu |
will never admit to wanting a Tcl/Tk theme |
| 15:22 |
zughy |
Well, according to the init.lua in the base texture pack: "--for all other colors ask sfan5 to complete his work!" |
| 15:22 |
Noclip |
nephele: Of course |
| 15:23 |
Astrobe |
It seems that normal maps apply to entity textures, which doesn't look good on mob/skin textures that were done without that in mind. |
| 15:23 |
nephele |
Noclip, i have controls over the default colors of my gamemode, so that is exactly what I do :DD |
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sfan5 |
zughy: no idea what that is referring to |
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AidanLCB_ |
I am releasing a mod using modified textures from default minetest_game under the MIT license, what do I put in the license.txt file about the textures? |
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AidanLCB_ |
ping me in the response |
| 15:35 |
sfan5 |
AidanLCB_: each MTG mod has its own license file, check it to see which license applies to the files you use e.g. https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/license.txt |
| 15:36 |
Noclip |
nephele: Reminds me of this one: http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:36 |
AidanLCB_ |
ok thx |
| 15:37 |
AidanLCB_ |
so do i just add it under the "License of Media" section? |
| 15:43 |
Astrobe |
I remember there is public texture server. Is it configurable in minetest.conf ? Also, does it rely on the names of the assets, or on some sort of signature to identify the assets ? |
| 15:46 |
Noclip |
Minetest was using only UDP so I don't set up firewall rules for TCP, correct? |
| 15:47 |
Krock |
you'll need TCP port 80 if you want to provide a media server |
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nephele |
Well, yes, and no, http is tcp, so you need outgoing tcp if you want to contact the serverlist or something |
| 15:47 |
Krock |
but normally you only need UDP |
| 15:47 |
nephele |
Krock, you host stuff on port 80? pretty fishy |
| 15:48 |
Krock |
443 if you compiled cURL with SSL/TLS support |
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Noclip |
Outgoing is allowed by default and I don't want to contact the serverlist (private server). |
| 15:52 |
Noclip |
So is UDP enough in this case? |
| 15:52 |
Noclip |
(UDP 30000) |
| 15:52 |
nephele |
Incoming udp is enough normally, yes |
| 15:54 |
Krock |
the server list would only need outgoing port 80, no incoming because that's done by POST (?) requests to the main server list |
| 15:54 |
Krock |
just for information |
| 15:54 |
Noclip |
Then let's put my firewall skills to the test ... |
| 15:54 |
nephele |
You do need incoming in the tcp-keep-state sense obviously :) |
| 15:55 |
nephele |
if you need port 80 http |
| 15:58 |
Noclip |
Isn't that seen also as outgoing by default? |
| 15:58 |
nephele |
That depends on what your firewall thinks :P |
| 15:59 |
Noclip |
I'm using ufw, that one doesn't make it to complicated xD |
| 16:01 |
nephele |
I heavily dislike firewalls based on commands |
| 16:03 |
Noclip |
why? |
| 16:04 |
nephele |
You fuck up in your command and then you have an inconsitent state |
| 16:05 |
nephele |
If you have one authoritve file for how the firewall looks it always follows that, there is no inbetween where it might "accidentally" leave something through |
| 16:05 |
Astrobe |
Found the config thread about remote_media. It doesn't say what it uses to identify media, though. |
| 16:05 |
AidanLCB_ |
how do I find the license for one specific texture in minetest_game |
| 16:05 |
Noclip |
I think you have to reload ufw to activate changes but I'm not 100% sure. |
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nephele |
Noclip, well, also, having one point of control is nice, querriny commands to inspect the firewall state feels so complicated |
| 16:07 |
freelikegnu |
oof poor forum :P |
| 16:08 |
AidanLCB |
when modifying the textures in minetest_game for my mod do I have to find the license for each specific texture or can I link to the mod's license.tx |
| 16:08 |
AidanLCB |
license.txt |
| 16:10 |
freelikegnu |
it depends on the terms of the license |
| 16:10 |
Noclip |
nephele: On the other hand just doing `sudo ufw allow 30000/udp` isn't complicated at all. |
| 16:10 |
Noclip |
And I don't have a professional setup with 10 running servers where I have to work a lot with the firewall. |
| 16:11 |
nephele |
me neither, but that rule is too unspecifi for my taste |
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nephele |
that isn't anything about the server though.... |
| 16:13 |
nephele |
err firewall |
| 16:13 |
nephele |
just personal preference, and i don't think that reliability or having a single nice point of controll has anything to do with professional vs personal setups |
| 16:14 |
Noclip |
<nephele "me neither, but that rule is too"> What, I thought you are hosting your own matrix homeserver?! |
| 16:14 |
Astrobe |
AidanLCB: the temrs and conditions are precisely in that file: "provide link to license and indicate if changes were made, etc". |
| 16:15 |
nephele |
Noclip, so what? |
| 16:15 |
Noclip |
(Sorry for using riot reply again) |
| 16:15 |
AidanLCB |
ok |
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Astrobe |
AidanLCB, also, changing the licence to MIT might be an issue. |
| 16:16 |
AidanLCB |
well im not trying to change it |
| 16:16 |
AidanLCB |
just the code is under MIT |
| 16:16 |
Astrobe |
ok, I misread. |
| 16:17 |
Noclip |
nephele: So that's "a bit" more then just running a small minecraft or minetest server from time to time for a view hours for two people ... |
| 16:18 |
nephele |
Eh, maybe a bit, but still not prefessional really |
| 16:18 |
nephele |
I think i put more effort into my mail server than my matrix server |
| 16:18 |
AidanLCB |
can I just provide a link to the license on github in my license.txt under textures/media Astrobe? |
| 16:19 |
nephele |
no, you should copy the license of files you include :) |
| 16:20 |
AidanLCB |
well how am i supposed to get that license |
| 16:20 |
nephele |
what do you mean? |
| 16:20 |
AidanLCB |
to a specific texture |
| 16:20 |
nephele |
Check the folder it's in, if its not there then probably the mod folder above it somewhere has the license or mentions it |
| 16:20 |
nephele |
if its not there either its probably in the game then |
| 16:20 |
AidanLCB |
it just has it for the whole mod |
| 16:21 |
AidanLCB |
not one texture |
| 16:21 |
nephele |
so? does it say in the license you have to take the entire mod? :) |
| 16:21 |
AidanLCB |
but i don't know what parts of the mods license are for what textures... |
| 16:22 |
Astrobe |
For the defaut mode, README.txt under default/ lists the licenses for each texture file. |
| 16:22 |
AidanLCB |
ok |
| 16:23 |
Noclip |
I was talking originally talking about 10 servers and you're already at 2 now. I assume there is also a minetest server so that makes 3 then and I don't know how many servers there are still left ... |
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nephele |
no, just 2 |
| 16:24 |
deltanedas |
hey, can someone on 5.2.0 please try to reproduce a bug? |
| 16:24 |
nephele |
my minetest server is on the same one as matrix |
| 16:24 |
deltanedas |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9636 |
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nephele |
but that doesn't change that i am not a professional server hoster :P |
| 16:25 |
deltanedas |
if entities look normal then its fixed |
| 16:25 |
deltanedas |
(cant test myself, fdroid is outdated) |
| 16:25 |
Krock |
déjà vu... looks like a duplicate report |
| 16:25 |
deltanedas |
of? |
| 16:25 |
Krock |
deltanedas: install Minetest on your Oscilloscope. |
| 16:26 |
Noclip |
wow wow wow, I was talking about servers in the means of different server softwares not different computers / root servers! |
| 16:26 |
Krock |
some run Linux, some Windows. Easy 5.2.0 installation. |
| 16:26 |
deltanedas |
i do |
| 16:26 |
deltanedas |
pc is ded |
| 16:26 |
Krock |
R |
| 16:26 |
Krock |
*F |
| 16:26 |
deltanedas |
i cant compile on my phone |
| 16:26 |
Noclip |
So that's 3 then. |
| 16:26 |
deltanedas |
if i could itd die too |
| 16:27 |
nephele |
Noclip, okay, well, public i have mail server imap+smtp; a server for matrix+ sometimes minetest; and privately i have a rpi3 that has my irc bouncer and wifi AP; and a build server for my flutter aps |
| 16:27 |
nephele |
but i am not a professional :D |
| 16:27 |
nephele |
i don't even work in IT |
| 16:28 |
Astrobe |
A professional wouldn't do that shit on their spare time. Would play DOTA2 or whatever instead :D |
| 16:28 |
Krock |
deltanedas: is it a falling node? #9525 |
| 16:28 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/9525 -- Falling nodes glow in the dark |
| 16:29 |
deltanedas |
nope, fake node from my mod |
| 16:29 |
Krock |
what's a fake node? |
| 16:29 |
Krock |
might be worthwhile posting the mod source for easier testing |
| 16:30 |
deltanedas |
bitbucket.org/DeltaNedas/covers |
| 16:30 |
Krock |
thanks |
| 16:30 |
deltanedas |
visual is wielditem |
| 16:30 |
deltanedas |
scale 0.668 |
| 16:30 |
nephele |
Astrobe, haha |
| 16:30 |
Noclip |
nephele: Ok that makes 5, you've won ? |
| 16:30 |
deltanedas |
even if my mod is bad, doesnt explain players |
| 16:30 |
Krock |
testing... |
| 16:31 |
deltanedas |
but the issue is probably a dupe, for all entities |
| 16:31 |
deltanedas |
not just sand |
| 16:31 |
nephele |
SAND |
| 16:31 |
nephele |
Noclip, won? in what? beeing a bad admin? |
| 16:31 |
nephele |
speaking of, my tls cert expired, i thought i renewed it 3 days ago >:( |
| 16:32 |
Krock |
deltanedas: the entity falls down.. the crate is left over |
| 16:32 |
Krock |
but indeed, the entity lights up |
| 16:33 |
deltanedas |
hmm sand fix merged 20 days ago |
| 16:33 |
Noclip |
<nephele "Noclip, won? in what? beeing a b"> > "beeing a bad admin?" |
| 16:34 |
deltanedas |
would appreciate if someone tested on 5.2.0 to confirm |
| 16:34 |
deltanedas |
players may still be bugged because iirc its mesh visual |
| 16:34 |
nephele |
Noclip, i don't understand what you ask, the reply makes it difficult :) |
| 16:35 |
Krock |
deltanedas: lighting works, its default is just too bright |
| 16:35 |
deltanedas |
oh? |
| 16:35 |
deltanedas |
would negative glow fix that |
| 16:35 |
Krock |
yes, you can test this by building a high pile, and a torch on the top, then drop a sand node on one of its sides |
| 16:36 |
Krock |
negative glow is ignored AFAIK |
| 16:36 |
Noclip |
lol that's not what I wanted to send, let's try again: |
| 16:36 |
Noclip |
> "beeing a bad admin?" |
| 16:36 |
Noclip |
You said that |
| 16:39 |
deltanedas |
but are players fixed? |
| 16:39 |
Noclip |
(I misstyped on riot and sent the message unwanted as reply and the irc bridge then completely freaked out on that message ...) |
| 16:40 |
nephele |
Noclip, i said that, yes based on you saying "you've won" :) |
| 16:44 |
Krock |
deltanedas: commented the issue. Please correct me if I observed something wrong |
| 16:46 |
deltanedas |
looks good to me, thanks for helping out |
| 16:46 |
Krock |
!next |
| 16:46 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
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Noclip |
Yea, you've won because you didn't want to be a professional and you don't have 10 servers so I decleared you now official as "not professional". I keep you the freedom to define for yourself what "not professional" means. |
| 16:47 |
Noclip |
But don't forget, it was you saying "a bad admin" not me ? ... |
| 16:48 |
DS-minetest |
for any two vectors v1 and v2, is v1, v2 and vector.cross(v1, v2) (in this order) left or right handed? |
| 16:48 |
DS-minetest |
(and why isn't this documented );) |
| 16:48 |
nephele |
Noclip, haha, well, i am certainly not a perfect admin :D |
| 16:49 |
nephele |
speaking of which, afk... updating my cert... for real this time ... |
| 16:50 |
DS-minetest |
ok, got it, left handed |
| 16:55 |
Noclip |
Sounds like an inverted vectorproduct. |
| 17:00 |
DS-minetest |
Noclip: (1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0), (0, 0, 1) is left-handed in a left-handed system (as minetest has), in a right-handed system, the same result would be right-handed |
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Noclip |
Didn't know Minetest is left-handed. But I think in Minecraft the Z-Achsis shows in the other direction so Minecraft should be right-handed then. |
| 17:13 |
DS-minetest |
they fear the challenge |
| 17:16 |
Noclip |
Maybe it's not that bad: If you switch Y and Z in Minetest you get the default left-handed system with Z looking upwards. In Minecraft you have to change all three components to get that. |
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DS-minetest |
you mean right-handed |
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Noclip |
oops, yes |
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zughy |
uhm, where does the default font get assigned in the engine? I was look into fontengine.cpp but I can't see any "call" to Arimo, I guess it's not hardcoded |
| 19:01 |
Krock |
see builtin/settingtypes.txt |
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Krock |
and src/defaultsettings.cpp |
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zughy |
ty :) |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
!next |
| 19:05 |
MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
Additional information: these settings can be changed in the main menu's settings, although it might result in a bugged client |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
also yes, that bug is already reported |
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zughy |
Nah, I compiled it myself because I'm trying to tweak the whole main menu, I wasn't going for the settings approach anyway. But good to know |
| 19:07 |
Krock |
rubenwardy is also working on a PR to improve it |
| 19:08 |
Krock |
#/8758 |
| 19:08 |
Krock |
#8758 |
| 19:08 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8758 -- Mainmenu: Add customisable pager, add new change game dialog by rubenwardy |
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zughy |
huh, nice, I was going with something more.. radical |
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rubenwardy |
so was I |
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rubenwardy |
that's the first PR only |
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rubenwardy |
there's two interlinked parts: the UX/navigation, and the appearance |
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rubenwardy |
I was doing the former only |
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rubenwardy |
see https://www.figma.com/proto/sXoPmpoSl7RzBQcbMJbUFn/MinetestMainMenu?node-id=1%3A2&scaling=min-zoom |
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zughy |
uhm, do you mind if I write you for a moment in private? I don't wanna flood/self-promote myself here |
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rubenwardy |
sure |
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Wuzzy |
oh man, the forums are still very broken. lots of error 500 |
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Wuzzy |
is celeron55 aware of this issue? |
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Astrobe |
I've read he is switching to a better VPS provider. |
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Edgy1 |
yeah, VPS issues from what i hear |
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Wuzzy |
so where are those error 500s coming from, then? |
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Wuzzy |
not the forum software, huh? |
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Noclip |
Is 500 typical if a server is overloaded? |
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sfan5 |
yes |
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freelikegnu |
maybe time to upgrade to pentium55 |
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oil_boi_ |
sfan5 thank you for the clientside modding fixes!! |
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sfan5 |
yw |
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