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02:09 __vy starting the fun of parsing the MT packets, `nom` is turning out to be interesting
02:09 __vy https://github.com/andrewvy/knot/commit/46d6f1a34c9cd307f7d40d28f412c6de4e25849a
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02:59 riff-IRC Night, y'all.
03:45 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mgfractal / chunksize: Improve documentation 15bafa6 https://git.io/vxGhN (2018-03-20T03:41:39Z)
03:45 MinetestBot [git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Lua_api.txt: Fix hardware colouring documentation 68c6494 https://git.io/vxGhA (2018-03-20T03:41:31Z)
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05:58 hisforever Hi I need help . Whe I put a mod in the mods forder, and get into minetest and configure the mods. Tjen I try loging on but I get a message like this. Folder not found. I put mods in home/hisforever/.minetest/ mods . Please help if possible?
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06:00 hisforever dose anyone have the url for pastig debug.txt in here?
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16:33 Edgy1 hey everyone
16:34 Edgy1 can someone help me with compiling minetest 0.4.17 from github? i select the Minetest-0.4 branch every time then i compile and get 0.5
16:37 Edgy1 on tags i only see 0.4.16 as the latest 0.4
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16:41 sfan5 Edgy1: select the "backport-0.4" branch
16:42 Edgy1 ok thank you sfan5
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16:55 Edgy1 thanks sfan5 that worked :)
16:55 * Edgy1 gives sfan5 a cup of coffee
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17:18 justauser Is celeron on by chance
17:28 justauser Does anyone even use this
17:29 Edgy1 ¿?
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17:34 sofar justauser: your questions are inactionable
17:34 sofar if you need to ask a person something, ask the person
17:34 sofar asking if people use IRC or a channel with 173 people in it ... also ... really?
17:35 sofar and less than 15 minutes ago people had a meaningful conversation?!
17:36 sofar ok 30 minutes if you're pedantic
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17:37 justauser Well everything I put in just gets ignored I have a genuine issue and I can't get a hold of a admin.
17:37 sofar ok
17:38 sofar let me teach you a lesson
17:38 sofar IRC isn't a place with a bell that you ring
17:38 sofar you're not at your bank
17:38 justauser I know
17:38 Shara justauser: maybe trying asking the question /stating your issue instead of asking if people are here
17:39 sofar you obviously don't know, you still haven't asked your question or explained your problem
17:39 sofar ...
17:39 justauser OK I have a account on the forums and I forgot the username is there a way to recover it
17:39 * sofar claps
17:39 sofar yay! we now understand your issue!
17:40 sofar sorry, I apologize for the sarcasm
17:40 justauser Lol
17:40 sofar isn't there an email password reset method?
17:41 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/ucp.php?mode=sendpassword
17:41 justauser Yep but it want a username to do that and that's for the password
17:41 sofar you don't remember the username, k
17:42 sofar when did you register it?
17:42 justauser Not sure
17:42 sofar closest bet? month?
17:42 sofar what do you think it was?
17:42 justauser Back in 2016 I hope
17:43 twoelk did you write a lot?
17:43 sofar any idea what the username looked like?
17:43 sofar how many posts? that may indeed also help finding the username
17:44 sofar do you remember the email address used?
17:44 justauser Don't' think I made apost
17:44 justauser Yes
17:44 sofar PM it to me
17:44 twoelk sadly the zero post group is the largest :-(
17:44 Shara If you have never posted and don't remember the name, why not just make a new account?
17:44 justauser OK how do I on on here
17:44 justauser Pm
17:45 sofar type: /msg sofar **stuff**
17:45 justauser Ok
17:45 justauser There
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17:49 twoelk you could search a little over there yourself -> https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?sk=c&sd=a&start=9660
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17:56 sofar !next
17:56 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
17:56 sofar we've found his old username
17:57 twoelk :-)
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18:39 juli hi can anybody say me whether it is possible to place an item image on hud, like for a formspec?
18:39 juli for formspec there is item_image(_button) to do this
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18:50 Edgy1 !help
18:50 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
18:52 Edgy1 !search name:linuxworks
18:53 Edgy1 forget me!
18:53 Edgy1 !server name:linuxworks
18:53 MinetestBot Edgy1: LINUXWORKS NEXT GENERATION | www.linux-works.de:30001 | Clients: 8/15, 6/10 | Version: 0.4.17 / minetest | Ping: 21ms
18:53 Edgy1 !server name:survivalworks
18:53 MinetestBot Edgy1: Survivalworks Minetest Server | survivalworks.ddns.net | Clients: 0/99, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.17-dev / minetest | Ping: 107ms
18:53 Edgy1 cool
18:55 rubenwardy !server players:most
18:55 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Survival X | 192.187.97.34 | Clients: 39/96, 37/64 | Version: 0.4.16 / minetest | Ping: 104ms
18:55 rubenwardy !server random
18:55 MinetestBot rubenwardy: MINETEST ITALIA | minetestitalia.tk | Clients: 11/99, 4/16 | Version: 0.4.16 / minetest_italia | Ping: 11ms
18:55 Edgy1 oh hey rubenwardy  :)
18:55 rubenwardy o/
18:55 * Edgy1 stands in the presence of the mighty one
18:56 Edgy1 lol
19:00 ThomasMonroe hi rubenwardy
19:02 Edgy1 hiiii TMcSquared  :P
19:04 sofar !server puzzle
19:04 MinetestBot sofar: No results
19:04 sofar !server inside
19:04 MinetestBot sofar: Inside the Box | minetest.foo-projects.org:30394 | Clients: 2/25, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.16 / insidethebox | Ping: 167ms
19:05 sfan5 !server ping:most
19:05 MinetestBot sfan5: [JP] Japan Survival Server(Testing) | 133.242.161.27:30003 | Clients: 0/20, 1/7 | Version: 0.4.16-dev / minetest | Ping: 274ms
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19:06 sofar yeah, that makes sense
19:06 sofar maybe I should host a second ITB server in the EU
19:07 sfan5 ping doesn't hurt your ranking if it's below 400ms
19:07 Edgy1 !server ping:least
19:07 MinetestBot Edgy1: Zulu Land | 45.32.185.166 | Clients: 0/15, 0/4 | Version: 0.4.16 / minetest | Ping: 1ms
19:08 Edgy1 TMcSquared, thanks for inviting me here lolz
19:08 sofar Edgy1: ping is from the serverlist, not from player, to server
19:08 Edgy1 sofar, ik :P
19:10 rubenwardy sofar, my server is in Canada
19:10 TMcSquared !server ping:most
19:10 MinetestBot TMcSquared: The Darkside | darkside.zapto.org:30003 | Clients: 0/13, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 390ms
19:10 rubenwardy !server capture
19:10 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Capture the Flag - Multiple Maps! | ctf.rubenwardy.com | Clients: 26/30, 26/29 | Version: 0.4.17-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 90ms
19:10 rubenwardy think it's just your server ;)
19:11 TMcSquared oh, rubenwardy, I'm not sure why you think that CSI commenting might be harmful
19:11 TMcSquared can you explain a little?
19:11 rubenwardy adding comments with pseudo code increases how long the file is, and makes it harder to read
19:11 rubenwardy it's bad practice imo
19:12 rubenwardy the exception is explaining complex algorithms eg: light, in which case it's fine to show some psuedo code at the
19:12 rubenwardy +top
19:12 TMcSquared meh, I get where you're coming from, but, just to be sure, did you read the link?
19:12 rubenwardy I did
19:12 TMcSquared ok :)
19:12 rubenwardy well, about 60
19:13 rubenwardy +%
19:13 Edgy1 rubenwardy, are you ever going to improve the textures for food and food_sweet?
19:13 rubenwardy just because someone wrote a lot of words doesn't mean it's good
19:13 rubenwardy Edgy1, probably not
19:13 rubenwardy the food_sweet textures are perfect, what are you talking about
19:13 rubenwardy XD
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19:13 Edgy1 loll i beg to differ :P
19:13 rubenwardy :'(
19:14 Edgy1 rubenwardy, my friend dhausmig made an "extras" mod that has a bunch of extra food with really nice textures, i modified it bigtime so that the craft recipies for meat would use your food mod instead of mobs:meat
19:15 Edgy1 im using it in survivalworks atm
19:17 TMcSquared rubenwardy, not sure where you got psuedo code comments from. O_o
19:18 rubenwardy read it again, it means commenting in natural language rather than psuedo code
19:18 rubenwardy so not as bad as I thought
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19:18 TMcSquared right
19:19 * Shara would just be happy seeing more comments in general
19:19 TMcSquared and also keeping it written in such a way that non-programmers *might* be able to understand what is going on at a certain location in the code
19:19 rubenwardy non-programmers probably shouldn't be the target audience for code docs like that
19:20 TMcSquared but...to be fair, CSI is NOT documentation
19:20 rubenwardy code docs is still docs
19:20 rubenwardy just not for end users
19:20 TMcSquared exactly
19:20 TMcSquared it deals with why the code is there, instead of what the code can do
19:21 TMcSquared s/what/what and how/
19:22 TMcSquared Shara, lol true
19:23 Shara People who can't understand any code aren't the ones who need code comments.
19:23 rubenwardy if it's not every line, then it's fine
19:23 Shara People who can at least mostly read it when trying to, but would rather fewer headaches when trying to find bits they need... they could use comments.
19:24 rubenwardy can't believe you'd question the food sweet textures, look at that lemon https://i.rubenwardy.com/ThXho.png
19:24 TMcSquared yeah it doesn't have to be every line XD that'd be too overkill IMO
19:24 Shara rubenwardy: stop making me think about cake!!
19:25 rubenwardy 2014
19:25 rubenwardy wow
19:25 rubenwardy that's 4 years ago
19:25 Shara Oh, it's gone off then?
19:25 * Shara won't eat it
19:25 TMcSquared Shara, yeah, but if the non-programmers can at least get a gist of what the code does, then the programmers can definetly figure out why it's written that way :)
19:25 TMcSquared O_O 4 year old cake O_o
19:25 TMcSquared probably a bit stale
19:25 Shara TMcSquared: sure, but they still shouldn't be the target audience
19:26 rubenwardy 0.4.10
19:26 TMcSquared touche
19:26 rubenwardy lots of changes since then
19:29 TMcSquared rubenwardy, the guy who wrote that(CodeMouse92__)runs #C++-friendly if you want to talk to him about it. He can probably answer any questions about CSI better than I could. XD
19:29 rubenwardy lol
19:29 TMcSquared s/if/, if/
19:30 rubenwardy tbh, I'm not sure why you'd think CSI is technologically competent
19:30 TMcSquared wdym?
19:30 rubenwardy !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_8ZH1Ggjk0
19:30 MinetestBot rubenwardy: CSI Zoom Enhance - YouTube
19:30 TMcSquared oh XD
19:30 rubenwardy oh, mouse paw
19:31 rubenwardy heh
19:31 TMcSquared yeah, we're actually using PawLIB in Qub3d, surprisingly, it's faster than the standard libraries. :O
19:33 rubenwardy I personally wouldn't use that
19:33 rubenwardy I'd worry about maintenance and support
19:33 rubenwardy there aren't many watchers on GH, which implies low interest
19:34 rubenwardy not many contributors
19:34 TMcSquared it's not developed on GH
19:34 rubenwardy and there's always the possibility that the owner gives up on it
19:34 rubenwardy where?
19:34 TMcSquared phabricator
19:34 TMcSquared it's own server
19:34 TMcSquared kinda like what we're doing for Qub3d
19:34 rubenwardy ewwwwww
19:34 rubenwardy fucking gross, it has a CLA
19:34 TMcSquared CLA?
19:34 sfan5 (((CLA)))
19:35 rubenwardy huh, there's a contradiction
19:35 sofar Contribute Limbs Agreement
19:35 rubenwardy aaah,
19:35 rubenwardy misread it
19:35 rubenwardy contributor licensing agreement
19:36 rubenwardy thought they said they'd own the copyright at first, but read it wrong
19:36 rubenwardy instead they have the right to relicense to whatever they wish, providing it's an OS license
19:36 rubenwardy can't find phabricator
19:37 TMcSquared https://phab.qub3d.org is an example
19:37 TMcSquared I'll find the pawlib one
19:37 juli hi can anybody say me whether it is possible to place an item image on hud, like for a formspec?
19:37 juli for formspec there is item_image(_button) to do this
19:38 TMcSquared rubenwardy, https://phabricator.mousepawmedia.net/
19:38 rubenwardy juli: no
19:38 rubenwardy you can get images for most things
19:38 rubenwardy but not for meshes
19:38 juli hmm thats bad
19:39 rubenwardy HUDs suck
19:39 juli :) true
19:39 juli but will it be replaced soon or not?
19:40 rubenwardy TMcSquared, kinda bullshit to have to make an account just to check development state
19:41 Shara Have to agree with that
19:41 sfan5 open source project on closed development platform
19:41 sfan5 🤔
19:41 rubenwardy I give up
19:41 rubenwardy development should be open
19:41 Shara I lost any interest in even looking at qub3d when I saw that
19:42 TMcSquared you should be able to see what's going on without an account, hmm
19:42 TMcSquared I'll talk to Jason about that
19:42 rubenwardy qub3d at least doesn't require and account
19:42 Shara thought it did when I checked.
19:42 Fuchs it doesn't
19:42 Fuchs (just checked, because I am somewhat familiar with, ew, phabricator)
19:42 Shara Hmm, maybe will look again sometime then
19:43 Fuchs also phab is FOSS, with regards to an earlier comment on "closed plattform"
19:43 Fuchs it's ugly, it's php, but it's FOSS
19:43 rubenwardy it's closed in that you need to log in
19:43 TMcSquared yeah I logged out and I can see pretty much everything
19:44 juli u wanna change away from github?
19:44 rubenwardy juli: no, Minetest won't be
19:45 TMcSquared Shara: http://imgur.com/4LBJak6l.png
19:45 juli kk
19:45 Fuchs rubenwardy: only if stupidly conigured
19:45 rubenwardy appears so
19:49 TMcSquared meh, I like it better than GH
19:58 Fixer "Future Windows updates will take longer to install, but it’ll feel quicker" okay
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20:12 juli lol the progressbar just finishes before the update is complete or? :D
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23:06 Fixer "No wonder foxcon employee are miserable... Can you imagine doing nothing but assembling obsoletebooks all day for shit pay?! You have to be a psychopath to even design that keyboard."
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