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octacian |
heh, lost internet for a while |
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octacian |
red-001: People being bad at updating software is no excuse for all this worry about backwards compatibility |
| 00:03 |
octacian |
If it weren't for the backwards compatibility issues, I think we could progress much faster |
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AntumDeluge |
soupfly, I've tried removing "flammable" from groups. It doesn't work. |
| 00:04 |
AntumDeluge |
I think "flammable" just means that it can catch on fire & burn away like other nodes, not sure though. |
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octacian |
Terasology is becoming so tempting... |
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soupfly |
AntumDeluge, I'm still new to lua and no expert at all. I hope a solution to your problem comes |
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AntumDeluge |
Thank you soupfly, I appreciate your effort to help. I am not experienced in Lua either. |
| 00:19 |
soupfly |
Is the forums down? |
| 00:21 |
AntumDeluge |
Are you having trouble accessing them soupfly? |
| 00:23 |
AntumDeluge |
It seems I can't access them either. |
| 00:23 |
AntumDeluge |
I got a "504 Gateway Time-out". |
| 00:24 |
soupfly |
same here |
| 00:25 |
octacian |
What's the problem BTW? |
| 00:26 |
soupfly |
the forum is giving me a 504 gateway error |
| 00:27 |
octacian |
I thought there was some lua problem that I missed? |
| 00:27 |
* octacian |
guesses DDoS attack |
| 00:28 |
octacian |
It's not the first time it's happened. |
| 00:29 |
soupfly |
i've been having to view the google cache |
| 00:29 |
octacian |
Wasn't someone having a Lua problem though? |
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AntumDeluge |
I asked about disabling damage from torches, but I don't know if that is what you are talking about. |
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soupfly |
oh AntumDeluge says there was an issue with torches causing damage |
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ratmix |
looks like the forum is down |
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ratmix |
it shows 504 nginx timeout |
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kaeza |
known |
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kaeza |
rdococ! |
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Devy |
Are the forums down for anyone else? |
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AntumDeluge |
Yep. |
| 00:42 |
Devy |
Ok. Thanks. |
| 00:42 |
AntumDeluge |
They are for me & a few others at least anyway. |
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soupfly |
it is still down |
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Devy |
Anyone know what happened? Is it scheduled to be down? |
| 00:43 |
AntumDeluge |
I haven't heard anything about it being scheduled. But I haven't been paying too much attention on here. |
| 00:51 |
ratmix |
wiki.minetest.net is down too but servers.minetest.net and minetest.net work |
| 00:52 |
AntumDeluge |
I was just able to connect to forums. |
| 00:52 |
ratmix |
me too. just fixed i guess |
| 00:53 |
AntumDeluge |
Yep, it's working for me now. |
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ratmix |
very slow though |
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GreenDimond |
So...um... why is the forum down? |
| 02:04 |
GreenDimond |
Must be. |
| 02:04 |
GreenDimond |
504 Gateway Time-out |
| 02:04 |
GreenDimond |
Occasionaly I can connect VERY slowly... |
| 02:05 |
GreenDimond |
same/// |
| 02:05 |
GreenDimond |
*... |
| 02:05 |
GreenDimond |
but |
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GreenDimond |
it wont load any of the sections for me |
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GreenDimond |
*restarts Firefox* |
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GreenDimond |
still doesnt work |
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GreenDimond |
eyyy got into servers |
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GreenDimond |
It seems to work smoothly now... |
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GreenDimond |
maybe the host is in the middle of a storm so the connection is flaky i dunno :P |
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GreenDimond |
Does he host it? |
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GreenDimond |
I wont bother :/ |
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GreenDimond |
seems to work OK now |
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Wuzzy |
Minetest will be soon released, please help translating Minetest! https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/minetest/minetest/ |
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Calinou |
Wuzzy: looking at French right now |
| 13:04 |
Calinou |
so many setting names/descriptions to translate :| |
| 13:05 |
Raven262 |
I tried translating mt to Serbian once. |
| 13:05 |
Raven262 |
I think i got 45 percent translated at once. |
| 13:05 |
Raven262 |
And also got bored |
| 13:05 |
Jordach |
Raven262, but does it remove kebab |
| 13:05 |
Calinou |
French is 92% right now |
| 13:05 |
Raven262 |
Not until it is fully translated! xD |
| 13:07 |
Raven262 |
Also, there are some things that can not be translated to other languages, mostly technical names. |
| 13:07 |
Raven262 |
So i left them as they are. |
| 13:08 |
Calinou |
wise decision |
| 13:08 |
Raven262 |
I'm still waiting for someone to start translating to Croatian, cause they have the annoying tendency to "translate" those things. |
| 13:08 |
Calinou |
if you don't know how to translate it in an understandable manner, don't translate it |
| 13:08 |
Calinou |
nonsense translations suck :( |
| 13:09 |
Raven262 |
Yes, that is what i'm saying |
| 13:09 |
Calinou |
Raven262: yeah, some people will try translating them regardless |
| 13:09 |
Calinou |
all your technical setting are belong to us... |
| 13:09 |
Raven262 |
Croatians do that to all of their translations. |
| 13:09 |
Raven262 |
We laugh at their translations sometimes |
| 13:10 |
Calinou |
French is usually not too bad (after all, it is, AFAIK, the most translated-to language) |
| 13:10 |
Calinou |
but sometimes it can be, I saw a few "funny" translations in KDE here and there |
| 13:10 |
Calinou |
I've not seen translation griefings in a big while though |
| 13:10 |
Calinou |
(Minecraft used to have these on a regular basis, back when translations were open) |
| 13:10 |
Raven262 |
Somebody is "translation griefing?" |
| 13:10 |
Calinou |
yeah |
| 13:10 |
Calinou |
putting offensive/nonsense things |
| 13:11 |
Raven262 |
Well, that is just evil. |
| 13:11 |
Calinou |
Mojang had to pull a snapshot due to that |
| 13:11 |
Calinou |
(I downloaded that particular one, back in the day :P) |
| 13:11 |
Raven262 |
I wonder how many people are actually translating minetest. |
| 13:12 |
Raven262 |
Since Serbian is only translated to by me and lisac |
| 13:13 |
Raven262 |
Well, my progress on serbian seems to be 29 percent. |
| 13:13 |
Raven262 |
huh i remmeber getting to 45 |
| 13:13 |
Raven262 |
*remember |
| 13:13 |
Raven262 |
odd |
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CalebDavis |
ok i need to know how to get a craft to output multiple items |
| 13:15 |
CalebDavis |
minetest.register_craft({ |
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CalebDavis |
output = 'exoticores:lonsdaleite_dust 9', |
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CalebDavis |
recipe = { |
| 13:15 |
CalebDavis |
'exoticores:lonsdaleite_compressed_dust' |
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CalebDavis |
} |
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CalebDavis |
}) |
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CalebDavis |
tthat is the cod i have but it produces and error |
| 13:16 |
CalebDavis |
code^ |
| 13:16 |
Raven262 |
error being? |
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calcul0n |
maybe it lacks type = "shapeless" ? |
| 13:17 |
calcul0n |
i think it's shaped by defaut |
| 13:17 |
CalebDavis |
ok ill try that |
| 13:18 |
CalebDavis |
the error is invalid crafting recipe |
| 13:19 |
Calinou |
I think the recipe should be an array of arrays? |
| 13:19 |
Calinou |
it should be a simple array only if it's shapeless |
| 13:19 |
Calinou |
but a recipe with only 1 ingredient doesn't need to be set to shapeless |
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CalebDavis |
i just found that i forgot the brackets around the recipe ingredient |
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CalebDavis |
thx |
| 13:21 |
CalebDavis |
it works :) |
| 13:28 |
Wuzzy |
@Raven262: what do you mean with “technical names� |
| 13:28 |
Raven262 |
example: anisotropic filtering |
| 13:29 |
Raven262 |
or antialising |
| 13:29 |
Raven262 |
can't translate those |
| 13:29 |
Wuzzy |
well it really just depends on the language |
| 13:29 |
Raven262 |
I can forge a new word for it. |
| 13:29 |
Wuzzy |
check your dictionary or wikipedia |
| 13:29 |
Raven262 |
It is quite simple in serbian |
| 13:29 |
Raven262 |
But i avoid that since no one would understand what it means |
| 13:29 |
Wuzzy |
if you find nothing in either, just use the standard loan word practise in your language |
| 13:30 |
Wuzzy |
however it may work... |
| 13:30 |
Raven262 |
Ah, wikipedia will just leave it in english |
| 13:30 |
Raven262 |
I'll leave those things in english |
| 13:30 |
Wuzzy |
its your language :D |
| 13:30 |
Raven262 |
Since it will be easier to understand |
| 13:30 |
Raven262 |
:D |
| 13:31 |
Wuzzy |
well, technically it is still a translation |
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* Raven262 |
hopes people understand this translation. |
| 13:31 |
Raven262 |
*will understand |
| 13:31 |
Raven262 |
Also |
| 13:31 |
Raven262 |
I see that some of these words are out of context sometimes |
| 13:31 |
Wuzzy |
Oh right... |
| 13:31 |
Raven262 |
And that makes a bit of a problem |
| 13:31 |
Wuzzy |
I have to totally open an issue for this |
| 13:32 |
Wuzzy |
Gettext supports comments for translators |
| 13:32 |
Wuzzy |
but not a single string has comments >_> |
| 13:32 |
Raven262 |
xD |
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red-001 |
and suddenly we had over 9000 open issues |
| 13:32 |
Wuzzy |
Raven262: please list the bad strings |
| 13:32 |
Raven262 |
bad strings? |
| 13:32 |
red-001 |
well you do have some context |
| 13:33 |
Wuzzy |
or leave a comment in Weblate (don't forget to set to "comment for original string" |
| 13:33 |
red-001 |
it tells you where the string is from |
| 13:33 |
Wuzzy |
red-001: Minetest does not use any of this arcane wizardry |
| 13:33 |
Wuzzy |
context is for chumps |
| 13:34 |
Raven262 |
I will try to translate this as good as i can, but some things might yet sound silly. |
| 13:35 |
red-001 |
anyway you would need someone to write a better script for generating weblate files |
| 13:35 |
red-001 |
maybe include nearby comments as gettext comments |
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Raven262 |
Can someone tell me what is "Base terrain height" |
| 13:41 |
Raven262 |
I have trouble translating this, since it is out of context |
| 13:41 |
Raven262 |
Could be both height of the terrain, and some variable used in map generation |
| 13:43 |
Calinou |
we have our share of newly-made words for computing things in French |
| 13:43 |
Calinou |
like "infonuagique" for "cloud computing" |
| 13:43 |
red-001 |
oh lol gettext didn't support unicode for a time because it didn't work well in Emacs |
| 13:43 |
Calinou |
French admnistrations are supposed to use them, too |
| 13:43 |
Calinou |
(they rarely do, though) |
| 13:44 |
red-001 |
don't you have like a centrally authority for making up new words? |
| 13:44 |
Raven262 |
I'm forging new words here |
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Raven262 |
Thios is not even allowed in our grammar |
| 13:45 |
Raven262 |
*this |
| 13:45 |
Raven262 |
Well some of it |
| 13:45 |
Raven262 |
We do have high amount of assimilated words |
| 13:45 |
Raven262 |
So it is not that hard for some of these to be "Serbified" |
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Calinou |
red-001: we do |
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Raven262 |
Still, i think we Serbs have the best curses in the region, considering the high potential to make them |
| 13:47 |
Raven262 |
Our language is so good for curses |
| 13:47 |
Raven262 |
I could make a curse out of anything, guess thats useful |
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red-001 |
well thats useful |
| 13:48 |
Calinou |
did your country invent ncurses then? ;) |
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Raven262 |
xD |
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IhrFussel |
German is actually *the* best language for making up words since you can combine any X nouns into a new noun |
| 13:48 |
Raven262 |
Yes, and then you get those long words |
| 13:48 |
red-001 |
so newcursecompondcursewords |
| 13:48 |
Raven262 |
Does Germany hold the world record for longest word? |
| 13:48 |
red-001 |
and minetestbugtesting |
| 13:50 |
Raven262 |
Bumpmapping? Well, i guess we don't have a word for that yet. |
| 13:50 |
red-001 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweebuffelsmeteenskootmorsdoodgeskietfontein |
| 13:51 |
Raven262 |
well, they could invent anything, right? |
| 13:51 |
Raven262 |
Omg i translated this |
| 13:51 |
IhrFussel |
The longest German word was an actual law name "Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz" |
| 13:52 |
IhrFussel |
But it's been removed in 2013 |
| 13:52 |
ThomasMonroe |
wow |
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Raven262 |
Yea, guess other people had problems reading it |
| 13:52 |
ThomasMonroe |
more than likely were mispelling it |
| 13:53 |
red-001 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKn9kShqatc |
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MinetestBot |
[git] juhdanad -> minetest/minetest: Document hardware coloring and soft node overlays (#5876) 30c51a1 https://git.io/vHzCO (2017-06-02T13:57:59Z) |
| 13:58 |
CWz |
what is this Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz? |
| 13:59 |
Raven262 |
Someone really had to make a difference between a "cave" and a "cavern"? |
| 13:59 |
ThomasMonroe |
or a problem about the way you sneezed |
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DS-minetest |
cowmeatlabelstalkmissiontransvernet |
| 14:00 |
ThomasMonroe |
lol |
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DS-minetest |
(very bad translated) |
| 14:00 |
Raven262 |
Ok, guys stop hitting your keyboards with your head |
| 14:00 |
ThomasMonroe |
the longest word in the English language is the other word for Tritan |
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DS-minetest |
lol |
| 14:01 |
ThomasMonroe |
a whoppin 136000 letters long |
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| 14:01 |
ThomasMonroe |
Titan, not Tritan |
| 14:01 |
Raven262 |
Well now, that maybe makes more sense |
| 14:02 |
Raven262 |
And that word is? |
| 14:02 |
ThomasMonroe |
Titan is oe of the largest protiens that our body makes |
| 14:02 |
ThomasMonroe |
one* |
| 14:02 |
ThomasMonroe |
thus the long chemical name |
| 14:02 |
Raven262 |
Any protein's name can be read that way. |
| 14:03 |
Raven262 |
And i doubt it is longer than specific DNA's chemical name |
| 14:03 |
ThomasMonroe |
touche |
| 14:03 |
Raven262 |
Any DNA's name |
| 14:03 |
ThomasMonroe |
but all DNA is different |
| 14:03 |
Raven262 |
Indeed. |
| 14:03 |
ThomasMonroe |
so they cant be considered true words |
| 14:03 |
ThomasMonroe |
Titan stays the same |
| 14:04 |
Raven262 |
heh |
| 14:04 |
Raven262 |
How about polymer names? |
| 14:04 |
ThomasMonroe |
shorter |
| 14:04 |
Raven262 |
Any polymer would have long name since it is repeating |
| 14:04 |
ThomasMonroe |
by about 30000 letters |
| 14:04 |
Raven262 |
Nah |
| 14:04 |
Raven262 |
Polymers could get longer |
| 14:05 |
ThomasMonroe |
true |
| 14:05 |
ThomasMonroe |
but again are they a set length? |
| 14:05 |
Raven262 |
Nope |
| 14:05 |
Raven262 |
:P |
| 14:06 |
Raven262 |
I guess that longest protein will then get the longest word. |
| 14:06 |
ThomasMonroe |
:P |
| 14:06 |
Raven262 |
But what is a protein if not also a polymer? |
| 14:06 |
Raven262 |
It is a chain of amino acids |
| 14:06 |
ThomasMonroe |
that is set in length |
| 14:07 |
ThomasMonroe |
change one amino acid and you destroy the cell |
| 14:07 |
ThomasMonroe |
er protien |
| 14:07 |
ThomasMonroe |
not cell |
| 14:07 |
Raven262 |
I doubt one couldn't make a polymer protein that has the stability to be infinitely long |
| 14:08 |
Raven262 |
or to make an infinitely long chain that is |
| 14:08 |
Raven262 |
*A protein, as it is considered a polymer already |
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ThomasMonroe |
true |
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red-001 |
well it's not really english |
| 14:17 |
DS-minetest |
+ |
| 14:17 |
ThomasMonroe |
touche |
| 14:18 |
DS-minetest |
afait iupac is international and mostly consists of greek words and co. |
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rom1504 |
do you even |
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^7heo |
depends. |
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DS-minetest |
hm |
| 14:34 |
* DS-minetest |
is stupid |
| 14:34 |
* DS-minetest |
is making a mod client- and server-side but where will he put it on forums?! >_< |
| 14:35 |
red-001 |
? |
| 14:35 |
DS-minetest |
to wip mods or csm |
| 14:35 |
red-001 |
both! |
| 14:35 |
red-001 |
well I suppose it depends |
| 14:36 |
red-001 |
tell us more! |
| 14:36 |
DS-minetest |
it's a mod that adds events for when the pressed keys of player change |
| 14:37 |
DS-minetest |
i think, posting it to both is no bad idea |
| 14:37 |
red-001 |
huh and you got the same code to work both client and server-side? |
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DS-minetest |
eh, i check if minetest.set_node is nil |
| 14:38 |
DS-minetest |
so, i change the code a little bit |
| 14:38 |
red-001 |
you could check INIT |
| 14:38 |
red-001 |
it's "client" on the client iirc |
| 14:38 |
red-001 |
and "game" on the server |
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DS-minetest |
ah, ok |
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red-001 |
it's a gobal that builtin uses but all mods can access it |
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red-001 |
global* |
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DS-minetest |
thank |
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DS-minetest |
+s* |
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rom1504 |
you could do a mod forum and post it there ! |
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stormchaser3000 |
did anyone notice the "F*** Minetest" (without any censoring) server? because i noticed a server with that name on the server list a few minutes ago |
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Raven262 |
well there is nothing to do about it. |
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Raven262 |
Except |
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Raven262 |
*Evil laugh starts* |
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Raven262 |
DDOS! |
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Raven262 |
*Evil laugh ends* |
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stormchaser3000 |
O_o |
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Raven262 |
Not that anyone here would do it |
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Raven262 |
Not me anyway |
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kaeza |
greetings |
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Raven262 |
Hello kaeza |
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dusko |
hi there |
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dusko |
i need help |
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dusko |
anyone help me pls? |
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sfan5 |
just ask and someone might be there to answer |
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dusko |
i have newest minetest in linux mint rosa and i have installed modes from software manager but when i try to add new modes then it fails to run |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Remove “inf†argument from shutdown command help (#5880) 80fe516 https://git.io/vHzVG (2017-06-02T15:16:30Z) |
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kaeza |
dusko, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073 |
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calcul0n |
it's better to install the latest mods versions manually i think |
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calcul0n |
same for minetest itself, as packaged games are rarely up to date |
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* DS-minetest |
created the repo: https://github.com/DS-Minetest/keyevent |
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kaeza |
DS-minetest, emojis in commit messages? :sad: |
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DS-minetest |
kaeza: is it problematic? |
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kaeza |
no, just ugly |
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* DS-minetest |
dosn't think so |
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DS-minetest |
it brings more colour in |
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kaeza |
a puppy dies everytime an emoji appears in a commit message |
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kaeza |
stop killing puppies |
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DS-minetest |
lol |
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kaeza |
well, except for that candy dog sort of thing |
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kaeza |
he can go straight to hell |
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DS-minetest |
yeah, i dont use it always, just on initial ones and in PR commits, that arent visible later |
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Wuzzy |
hi |
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Wuzzy |
does anyone in here know a 16×16 Minecraft texture pack which also happens to be under a libre license? |
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red-001 |
Wuzzy, maybe ask in #minecraft ? |
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Wuzzy |
oh, i didnt know they have a channel in freenode |
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IhrFussel |
@ MT devs: Why did you code the day-night transition so ugly? It would look wayy better if you included a few more colors in between...right now it just suddenly jumps to another sky color...is it resource heavy to have more colors for the sky? |
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red-001 |
I guess someone would have to code it |
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IhrFussel |
red-001, wouldn't it be just a few more lines for color definitions? |
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IhrFussel |
And maybe a few more to define what color happens at which time |
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red-001 |
I honestly don't know |
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IhrFussel |
I'll check it |
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Calinou |
day-night transition looks fine to me |
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Calinou |
(testing with time_speed 500) |
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Calinou |
it is a tad abrupt in the beginning of sunset, though |
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IhrFussel |
IMO the colors are too different |
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IhrFussel |
They should change more smoothly |
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Calinou |
ah, the problem also occurs at the beginning of sunrise |
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Raven262 |
Maybe you should consider a different approach. |
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Raven262 |
Talking about skyboxes/skydomes here |
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Calinou |
we already use a skybox, it's just procedural |
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Calinou |
it's not a texture, that 'sall |
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Calinou |
textured skyboxes rarely look good for day-night cycles |
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Calinou |
Minecraft also uses a procedural skybox |
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Raven262 |
So the sky is already a skybox? i didn't know that |
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IhrFussel |
The c++ sky code looks EXTREMELY complicated...it seems to only contain a few base colors and then changes based on "color_change_fraction" ? |
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[git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Lua_api.txt: Various edits and Markdown syntax improvements 1b83b0a https://git.io/vHz7t (2017-06-02T17:01:12Z) |
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Inocudom |
Eiion_ceo talked about Minetest today: https://youtu.be/QlrG6hq-jLg |
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Inocudom |
Please, discuss. Speak of where you agree and disagree with him. |
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red-001 |
who is this? |
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red-001 |
a doom modder? |
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Inocudom |
I made a topic about him in the Minetest forums: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=17749 |
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Inocudom |
He is modding GZDoom in an attempt to make it truly multi core. However, he now has in interest in Minetest, because I told him about it. |
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CalebDavis |
i am trying to make a small mod that lets you make infinite lava sources but it just doesnt do anything so here's the code can someone let me know where i went wrong https://pastebin.com/VY3wFW17 |
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Inocudom |
Since he might be able to assist Minetest in the future, I now have an actual, real reason to talk about his activities here. |
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Alcyone2 |
Hi everyone ! |
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Alcyone2 |
Trying to set up an educational minetest server on a Debian, I have some issue. I explain |
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CWz |
already did renewable lava |
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Alcyone2 |
Everything installed, the server works. I can be connected on local network |
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red-001 |
Inocudom, I think access to the hard drive is a known bottlenet |
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Alcyone2 |
but outside, connection time out. The port is open, netstat -laputn seems to confirm it |
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Inocudom |
Very true, red-001. HHD drives are slower than SSD drives. |
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Alcyone2 |
but I'm still unable to reach the server from outside the local network |
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Alcyone2 |
I did the same with a server on a RPI and it works perfectly |
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Alcyone2 |
I wonder if something is missing |
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Alcyone2 |
does anyone has an idea ? |
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red-001 |
no sorry |
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red-001 |
if you are correctly forwarding UDP traffic then this shouldn't happen |
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Inocudom |
You are using Minetest in your school, Alcyone2? I find that to be good news, because it shows that Minetest is still going strong, even after all these years. |
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Alcyone2 |
Thank you anyway red-001 |
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red-001 |
maybe ask on a channel about computer networking |
| 17:26 |
Alcyone2 |
Inocudom, not exactly, I'm a member of an hackerspace :) but some member are working with kids and already using Mintest |
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Inocudom |
Well, just don't use that knowledge for any nefarious purposes, because there are those that do. |
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Alcyone2 |
It was my idea to create an educational server to improve Minetest notoriety on one hand and trying to create a good base of educational project on the other hand |
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Alcyone2 |
hum, Inocudom you may confuse hacker and cracker |
| 17:29 |
Alcyone2 |
only cracker use their knowledge on nefarious purposes |
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red-001 |
##networking maybe? |
| 17:29 |
Alcyone2 |
So, here the goal is mainly educational (and having fun) |
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Alcyone2 |
I will try red-001 thanks :) |
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Inocudom |
The Minetest community should be happy to know that users such as yourself are using Minetest for constructive purposes. |
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Alcyone2 |
I didn't set up the Debian, I will first find who did it |
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Inocudom |
And yes, cracker is a good term for computer users that are causing chaos, as is seen these days. |
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red-001 |
Out`Of`Control, have you managed to solve the issue with the cheater that had a VPN? |
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Alcyone2 |
There are some, check on the forum, I think several teachers (mainly in USA) tells us what they do and share everything they do Inocudom :) |
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Alcyone2 |
I'm french by the way |
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Alcyone2 |
there are some idea and try |
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Alcyone2 |
the most famous is principaly through an association called Framasoft (you can find there server in the server list). They try to make Minetest discovered by teacher as an educational game |
| 17:33 |
Inocudom |
Well, welcome to Minetest's community. You know, Redcrab was from France as well, but he is not in this community anymore. |
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Alcyone2 |
Thanks Inocudom :) I'm already here for few months. I also discussed with Calinou, french too (or french speaking, dunno) who help me first with my RPI to test a server for this project |
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Alcyone2 |
helped* |
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Inocudom |
He had a good server too, but it has not been updated for quite some time, though OldCoder made a more updated server to host its map. |
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red-001 |
is redcarbs server still active? |
| 17:37 |
Inocudom |
Minetest does have a fork known as Freeminer, but that fork's development is on shaky ground these days, it seems. |
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red-001 |
read- mostly dead |
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Alcyone2 |
Does redcarbs works on Freeminer in fact ? |
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CalebDavis |
CWz sry i wasnt looking how did you do renewable lava? |
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red-001 |
well there are a bunch of forks |
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Inocudom |
Redcrabs server probably still exists, but modern clients can't connect to it. Instead, they would do well to try to go to OldCoder's version of it. |
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red-001 |
most of them trival and not worth the time to check out |
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red-001 |
voxeland and freeminer are the majour ones |
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red-001 |
A map isn't much good if it lacks the community |
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Inocudom |
Well, it was the community that was the heart and soul of the map. |
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Inocudom |
And its builders too. |
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red-001 |
does redcrab not have the time to update? |
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red-001 |
or did they move on to another project altogether? |
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Inocudom |
That does seem to be the case, red-001. |
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Calinou |
Alcyone2: I'm French, yes, and also French-speaking :) |
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Inocudom |
After a while, Redcrab just didn't have time to update the server anymore. |
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Out`Of`Control |
red-001: yes, bannem them with xban |
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Out`Of`Control |
banned* |
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Out`Of`Control |
and with help of iptables |
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Alcyone2 |
Calinou, wasn't sure ;) thank you again for your help (even if I didn't succeed yet with systemd deamon) |
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Calinou |
Alcyone2: I made systemd services for Minetest and other games, it's easy |
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Calinou |
for automatic restart, start-on-boot… |
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Calinou |
and easier management in general |
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Alcyone2 |
Calinou, I completly failed with that on my RPI |
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Alcyone2 |
but I will try if it works on the Debian of my hackerspace |
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bashboi |
I know this is not the right place to ask, sorry; but is this bash statment condition right: [$player != "stop"] ? |
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bashboi |
where player is a variable |
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IhrFussel |
bashboi, space between [ and $player also between " and ] |
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basxto |
[ is a command |
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IhrFussel |
Bash cares a lot about spaces |
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bashboi |
oh didn't know that |
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bashboi |
but i still get error |
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IhrFussel |
bashboi, [ ] is a condition a command uses $() |
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IhrFussel |
oops meant basxto |
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IhrFussel |
bashboi, try if [[ $player != "stop ]]; then |
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IhrFussel |
"stop"* |
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bashboi |
thanks |
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basxto |
IhrFussel: if is followed by a program, that have to return 0 or 1 … you could also write “if test 1 -eq 1; then echo 1; else echo 2; fi†|
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bashboi |
now it works |
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IhrFussel |
basxto, people generally refer to it as "condition" since other languages don't have a test command |
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basxto |
oh, there is also a built-in test command |
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IhrFussel |
"test" just sounds stupid |
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IhrFussel |
"Oh I'm testing this test command" |
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bashboi |
testception |
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basxto |
it’s a good name for a program … but shells also seem to implement it themself |
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basxto |
GNU coreutils contains test and it’s alias [ |
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IhrFussel |
I read on StackOverflow you should rather use [[ ]] instead |
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IhrFussel |
IF your script doesn't need to be portable* |
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IhrFussel |
AFAIK [[ ]] isn't slower and adds many benefits to the statements (if Bash only is required) |
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ThomasMonroe |
how do you change the gravity on armor? |
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CalebDavis |
physics_gravity=-<diference> |
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ThomasMonroe |
what is a good value to start it out with? |
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CalebDavis |
unobtanium has it at -0.15 |
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ThomasMonroe |
O.O |
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CalebDavis |
and physics_speed=multiplier |
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ThomasMonroe |
ok |
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ThomasMonroe |
ok |
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ThomasMonroe |
oops |
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CalebDavis |
where it will run default_speed+default_speed*multiplier |
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Calinou |
Alcyone2: I use Ubuntu 16.04 on my VPS here, Debian 8 should be similar enough |
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Alcyone2 |
Calinou, I think so. I use minetestserver backport installation on Debian |
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Alcyone2 |
there is already a deamon in fac |
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Alcyone2 |
fact |
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Alcyone2 |
I found yesterday this : https://framacloud.org/cultiver-son-jardin/installation-de-minetest/ |
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Alcyone2 |
They advice to disable the one installed and create a new one |
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Calinou |
build from source :P |
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Calinou |
(might not be easy on ARM, though) |
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ThomasMonroe |
caleb waht does the physics_jump do? |
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CalebDavis |
changes the jump strength the same way speed is changed |
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zorman2000 |
Hi all |
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zorman2000 |
I'm having issues with entities... |
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zorman2000 |
Currently spawning an entity and trying to save a variable to the Lua Entity as soon as it is spawned |
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zorman2000 |
Something like: ent:get_luaentity().owner_name = user:get_player_name() |
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zorman2000 |
This works at first |
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zorman2000 |
But if I quit the game, and log in back, owner_name variable is gone |
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zorman2000 |
Any ideas? |
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CalebDavis |
no sry i have never worked with entities |
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ThomasMonroe |
save the owner_name in the players file? |
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zorman2000 |
But the entities wouldn't know it |
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zorman2000 |
Plus I have worked with entities before and I think they do save variables... hmmm |
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zorman2000 |
Thanks anyways! |
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ThomasMonroe |
np, sorry we couldnt help |
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zorman2000 |
No worries, I think I have a lead now... thanks |
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zorman2000 |
See you all! |
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ThomasMonroe |
cya |
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IhrFussel |
No wonder owner_name var is empty after RESTART ... Lua doesn't remember vars |
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Inocudom |
It looks like a few new keybindings are possible in Minetest now. Previously, certain keys could not be used. |
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Inocudom |
Err... I hope that the Minetest community will be accepting of Eiion_ceo. There is no need for another starblessed incident. I hope people have matured beyond that. |
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red-001 |
starblessed? |
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Inocudom |
A few years ago, he tried to help out Minetest too, but was rejected. A few other people have had similar experiences. |
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ThomasMonroe |
like OC? |
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red-001 |
well did he troll? |
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Inocudom |
I am not familiar with the name OC, unless you mean OldCoder? |
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red-001 |
yes |
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red-001 |
at least I did |
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Inocudom |
As far as I know, starblessed was not trolling. |
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red-001 |
oh ok |
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red-001 |
so what happened? |
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Inocudom |
OldCoder's servers are still up, by the way. It's just that ShadowNinja's old server (which OldCoder maintains now) crashes due to an internal error. |
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red-001 |
:( he wiped all his posts |
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Inocudom |
Well, starblessed wanted to host some servers where people could upload stuff for Minetest, apparently. |
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red-001 |
I wish people didn't do that when they quit |
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Inocudom |
Me too. VanessaE addressed that issue recently, as well. |
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red-001 |
it just makes it so much more annoying in the future |
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red-001 |
oh I found it http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2013-07-20 |
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red-001 |
oh great it was over nginx vs Apache |
| 19:58 |
red-001 |
well that's petty |
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ThomasMonroe |
hey swift110 |
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red-001 |
wb? |
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Inocudom |
Bye. |
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Fixer |
*,...,* |
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pie3 |
hi |
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pie3 |
what is minetest |
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Fixer |
engine* that also contains basic game* |
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Fixer |
moddable |
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GNU[BDC] |
0.4.16 is out? |
| 21:06 |
pie3 |
i came to know about minetest since minecraft is not free |
| 21:06 |
pie3 |
i asked free equivalent game |
| 21:06 |
pie3 |
is this true? |
| 21:07 |
GNU[BDC] |
what? |
| 21:07 |
pie3 |
minetest is minecraft equivalent? |
| 21:07 |
pie3 |
how to install on linux? |
| 21:07 |
GNU[BDC] |
pie3: minetest is great. Never played minecraft so i can't compare |
| 21:07 |
pie3 |
which are other games like minetest & minecraft? |
| 21:08 |
GNU[BDC] |
? |
| 21:08 |
GNU[BDC] |
pie3: did you try minetest? |
| 21:08 |
pie3 |
not yet GNU[BDC] |
| 21:09 |
GNU[BDC] |
try it out |
| 21:09 |
pie3 |
how to install on linux? |
| 21:09 |
GNU[BDC] |
there are many public servers |
| 21:09 |
GNU[BDC] |
pie3: what OS? |
| 21:09 |
pie3 |
mint cinnamon |
| 21:09 |
pie3 |
ok |
| 21:09 |
pie3 |
how much download is required? |
| 21:09 |
pie3 |
i have limited speed of internet |
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GNU[BDC] |
pie3: did you look in your repo? |
| 21:10 |
pie3 |
thanks for tip GNU[BDC] it is available in synaptic |
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pie3 |
will it work ? bigfoot547 |
| 21:11 |
pie3 |
i started installation from synaptci |
| 21:11 |
GNU[BDC] |
0.4.15 ? |
| 21:13 |
pie3 |
4.13 |
| 21:13 |
pie3 |
GNU[BDC]: |
| 21:14 |
pie3 |
how to play game |
| 21:14 |
GNU[BDC] |
thats very old |
| 21:14 |
pie3 |
delete , new, configure, play options are found |
| 21:14 |
pie3 |
creative or enable damage? |
| 21:15 |
pie3 |
should i uncheck "enable damage"? |
| 21:15 |
pie3 |
untick |
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calcul0n |
if you uncheck it you'll be immortal, that's your choice |
| 21:16 |
pie3 |
if i press play button |
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pie3 |
there is an erro |
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pie3 |
r |
| 21:16 |
pie3 |
no world created or selected |
| 21:17 |
pie3 |
there is no "create" option |
| 21:17 |
pie3 |
should i press "configure"? |
| 21:17 |
calcul0n |
it's the "new" button to create a world |
| 21:18 |
pie3 |
ok |
| 21:18 |
pie3 |
what shold i enter in entries? |
| 21:18 |
pie3 |
seed? |
| 21:19 |
calcul0n |
you just have to give it a name |
| 21:19 |
calcul0n |
everything else is otpional |
| 21:19 |
pie3 |
ok |
| 21:19 |
pie3 |
next? |
| 21:20 |
Fixer |
0.4.13 is super old |
| 21:20 |
Fixer |
there was huge progress since 0.4.13 |
| 21:20 |
pie3 |
Hmm i see |
| 21:20 |
Fixer |
0.4.16 will be reasiled in few days |
| 21:20 |
pie3 |
i will try latest one |
| 21:21 |
pie3 |
how to update from 4.13 to 4.16 in linux? |
| 21:21 |
red-001 |
0.4.16 should be released on Sunday |
| 21:22 |
red-001 |
if you are planning to compile minetest git is recommended |
| 21:22 |
red-001 |
it's easier to update |
| 21:23 |
calcul0n |
also maybe you should uninstall the package first to avoid conflicts |
| 21:23 |
calcul0n |
i don't think it would be a problem, but just in case |
| 21:24 |
red-001 |
what OS still has 0.4.13? |
| 21:25 |
pie3 |
mint cinnamon |
| 21:25 |
red-001 |
:( |
| 21:25 |
Fixer |
O_O |
| 21:25 |
swift110 |
hey |
| 21:25 |
Fixer |
0.4.10 is ancient |
| 21:25 |
Fixer |
dinosaur era |
| 21:25 |
calcul0n |
yep, debian is "stable" :p |
| 21:25 |
calcul0n |
but sid has the latest version |
| 21:26 |
red-001 |
what's the point of that sort of "stable"? |
| 21:26 |
kaeza |
<VanessaE> s/stable/stale/ |
| 21:26 |
calcul0n |
well, debian stable is not a good choice if you want to play |
| 21:27 |
kaeza |
isn't Mint based on Ubuntu? can't you use the PPA? |
| 21:27 |
red-001 |
huh |
| 21:27 |
red-001 |
good point |
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red-001 |
the PPA got fixed a while back so it should work now |
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kaeza |
pie3, see if this works: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable |
| 21:28 |
red-001 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3837 |
| 21:30 |
pie3 |
will check kaeza |
| 21:30 |
kaeza |
for some reason shift+l does not work :( |
| 21:30 |
kaeza |
like, can't type uppercase L |
| 21:30 |
kaeza |
well, I can, but must temporarily switch caps lock on |
| 21:31 |
red-001 |
https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds |
| 21:31 |
calcul0n |
i have a similar problem here, i can't type the 7 key |
| 21:31 |
red-001 |
L? |
| 21:31 |
kaeza |
eh, I mean everywhere, not just MT |
| 21:32 |
calcul0n |
ho |
| 21:33 |
kaeza |
the weird thing is that lowercase l works ok O.o |
| 21:33 |
kaeza |
lllll |
| 21:33 |
kaeza |
7/7/ |
| 21:33 |
kaeza |
(spanish layout) |
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kaeza |
bigfoot547, Ctrl+W solves all problems in IRC |
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kaeza |
try it |
| 21:36 |
Edgy1 |
haha dont |
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* Fuchs |
glares |
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Edgy1 |
bigfoot547, it will disconnect you from the channel |
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Edgy1 |
ctrl w just closes the channel |
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Edgy1 |
not the whole client |
| 21:38 |
Edgy1 |
like ctrl q or alt f4 |
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Edgy1 |
bigfoot547, my laptop says "this computer has joined the labor union and went on strike" |
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