Time  Nick            Message
00:01 octacian        heh, lost internet for a while
00:02 octacian        red-001: People being bad at updating software is no excuse for all this worry about backwards compatibility
00:03 octacian        If it weren't for the backwards compatibility issues, I think we could progress much faster
00:03 AntumDeluge     soupfly, I've tried removing "flammable" from groups. It doesn't work.
00:04 AntumDeluge     I think "flammable" just means that it can catch on fire & burn away like other nodes, not sure though.
00:04 octacian        Terasology is becoming so tempting...
00:14 soupfly         AntumDeluge, I'm still new to lua and no expert at all. I hope a solution to your problem comes
00:15 AntumDeluge     Thank you soupfly, I appreciate your effort to help. I am not experienced in Lua either.
00:19 soupfly         Is the forums down?
00:21 AntumDeluge     Are you having trouble accessing them soupfly?
00:23 bigfoot547      Well, I tried pinging it: 8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 7008ms
00:23 AntumDeluge     It seems I can't access them either.
00:23 AntumDeluge     I got a "504 Gateway Time-out".
00:24 soupfly         same here
00:25 bigfoot547      Me too
00:25 octacian        What's the problem BTW?
00:26 bigfoot547      Go to forum.minetest.net
00:26 soupfly         the forum is giving me a 504 gateway error
00:26 bigfoot547      Gateway timeout to be exact
00:27 octacian        I thought there was some lua problem that I missed?
00:27 * octacian      guesses DDoS attack
00:28 bigfoot547      Why would someone ddos minetest forums???
00:28 octacian        It's not the first time it's happened.
00:29 soupfly         i've been having to view the google cache
00:29 octacian        Wasn't someone having a Lua problem though?
00:30 AntumDeluge     I asked about disabling damage from torches, but I don't know if that is what you are talking about.
00:30 soupfly         oh AntumDeluge says there was an issue with torches causing damage
00:32 ratmix          looks like the forum is down
00:34 ratmix          it shows 504 nginx timeout
00:36 kaeza           known
00:37 kaeza           rdococ!
00:41 Devy            Are the forums down for anyone else?
00:41 AntumDeluge     Yep.
00:42 Devy            Ok. Thanks.
00:42 AntumDeluge     They are for me & a few others at least anyway.
00:42 soupfly         it is still down
00:42 Devy            Anyone know what happened? Is it scheduled to be down?
00:43 AntumDeluge     I haven't heard anything about it being scheduled. But I haven't been paying too much attention on here.
00:51 ratmix          wiki.minetest.net is down too but servers.minetest.net and minetest.net work
00:52 bigfoot547      minetest.net is hosted by Github, not Perttu.
00:52 AntumDeluge     I was just able to connect to forums.
00:52 ratmix          me too. just fixed i guess
00:53 AntumDeluge     Yep, it's working for me now.
00:56 ratmix          very slow though
02:03 GreenDimond     So...um... why is the forum down?
02:03 bigfoot547      GreenDimond: Again?
02:04 GreenDimond     Must be.
02:04 GreenDimond     504 Gateway Time-out
02:04 GreenDimond     Occasionaly I can connect VERY slowly...
02:05 bigfoot547      I pinged it: 15 packets transmitted, 15 received, 0% packet loss, time 14020ms
02:05 bigfoot547      It is up, apparently.
02:05 GreenDimond     same///
02:05 GreenDimond     *...
02:05 GreenDimond     but
02:06 GreenDimond     it wont load any of the sections for me
02:06 GreenDimond     *restarts Firefox*
02:07 bigfoot547      Ah... I can get in, just slowly
02:07 GreenDimond     still doesnt work
02:07 GreenDimond     eyyy got into servers
02:07 GreenDimond     It seems to work smoothly now...
02:07 GreenDimond     maybe the host is in the middle of a storm so the connection is flaky i dunno :P
02:08 bigfoot547      Maybe, ask celeron.
02:08 GreenDimond     Does he host it?
02:09 bigfoot547      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=12611&p=269780
02:09 GreenDimond     I wont bother :/
02:09 bigfoot547      *https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=12611
02:09 GreenDimond     seems to work OK now
11:23 Wuzzy           Minetest will be soon released, please help translating Minetest! https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/minetest/minetest/
13:04 Calinou         Wuzzy: looking at French right now
13:04 Calinou         so many setting names/descriptions to translate :|
13:05 Raven262        I tried translating mt to Serbian once.
13:05 Raven262        I think i got 45 percent translated at once.
13:05 Raven262        And also got bored
13:05 Jordach         Raven262, but does it remove kebab
13:05 Calinou         French is 92% right now
13:05 Raven262        Not until it is fully translated! xD
13:07 Raven262        Also, there are some things that can not be translated to other languages, mostly technical names.
13:07 Raven262        So i left them as they are.
13:08 Calinou         wise decision
13:08 Raven262        I'm still waiting for someone to start translating to Croatian, cause they have the annoying tendency to "translate" those things.
13:08 Calinou         if you don't know how to translate it in an understandable manner, don't translate it
13:08 Calinou         nonsense translations suck :(
13:09 Raven262        Yes, that is what i'm saying
13:09 Calinou         Raven262: yeah, some people will try translating them regardless
13:09 Calinou         all your technical setting are belong to us...
13:09 Raven262        Croatians do that to all of their translations.
13:09 Raven262        We laugh at their translations sometimes
13:10 Calinou         French is usually not too bad (after all, it is, AFAIK, the most translated-to language)
13:10 Calinou         but sometimes it can be, I saw a few "funny" translations in KDE here and there
13:10 Calinou         I've not seen translation griefings in a big while though
13:10 Calinou         (Minecraft used to have these on a regular basis, back when translations were open)
13:10 Raven262        Somebody is "translation griefing?"
13:10 Calinou         yeah
13:10 Calinou         putting offensive/nonsense things
13:11 Raven262        Well, that is just evil.
13:11 Calinou         Mojang had to pull a snapshot due to that
13:11 Calinou         (I downloaded that particular one, back in the day :P)
13:11 Raven262        I wonder how many people are actually translating minetest.
13:12 Raven262        Since Serbian is only translated to by me and lisac
13:13 Raven262        Well, my progress on serbian seems to be 29 percent.
13:13 Raven262        huh i remmeber getting to 45
13:13 Raven262        *remember
13:13 Raven262        odd
13:15 CalebDavis      ok i need to know how to get a craft to output multiple items
13:15 CalebDavis      minetest.register_craft({
13:15 CalebDavis      output = 'exoticores:lonsdaleite_dust 9',
13:15 CalebDavis      recipe = {
13:15 CalebDavis      'exoticores:lonsdaleite_compressed_dust'
13:15 CalebDavis      }
13:15 CalebDavis      })
13:16 CalebDavis      tthat is the cod i have but it produces and error
13:16 CalebDavis      code^
13:16 Raven262        error being?
13:17 calcul0n        maybe it lacks type = "shapeless" ?
13:17 calcul0n        i think it's shaped by defaut
13:17 CalebDavis      ok ill try that
13:18 CalebDavis      the error is invalid crafting recipe
13:19 Calinou         I think the recipe should be an array of arrays?
13:19 Calinou         it should be a simple array only if it's shapeless
13:19 Calinou         but a recipe with only 1 ingredient doesn't need to be set to shapeless
13:21 CalebDavis      i just found that i forgot the brackets around the recipe ingredient
13:21 CalebDavis      thx
13:21 CalebDavis      it works :)
13:28 Wuzzy           @Raven262: what do you mean with “technical names”?
13:28 Raven262        example: anisotropic filtering
13:29 Raven262        or antialising
13:29 Raven262        can't translate those
13:29 Wuzzy           well it really just depends on the language
13:29 Raven262        I can forge a new word for it.
13:29 Wuzzy           check your dictionary or wikipedia
13:29 Raven262        It is quite simple in serbian
13:29 Raven262        But i avoid that since no one would understand what it means
13:29 Wuzzy           if you find nothing in either, just use the standard loan word practise in your language
13:30 Wuzzy           however it may work...
13:30 Raven262        Ah, wikipedia will just leave it in english
13:30 Raven262        I'll leave those things in english
13:30 Wuzzy           its your language :D
13:30 Raven262        Since it will be easier to understand
13:30 Raven262        :D
13:31 Wuzzy           well, technically it is still a translation
13:31 * Raven262      hopes people understand this translation.
13:31 Raven262        *will understand
13:31 Raven262        Also
13:31 Raven262        I see that some of these words are out of context sometimes
13:31 Wuzzy           Oh right...
13:31 Raven262        And that makes a bit of a problem
13:31 Wuzzy           I have to totally open an issue for this
13:32 Wuzzy           Gettext supports comments for translators
13:32 Wuzzy           but not a single string has comments >_>
13:32 Raven262        xD
13:32 red-001         and suddenly we had over 9000 open issues
13:32 Wuzzy           Raven262: please list the bad strings
13:32 Raven262        bad strings?
13:32 red-001         well you do have some context
13:33 Wuzzy           or leave a comment in Weblate (don't forget to set to "comment for original string"
13:33 red-001         it tells you where the string is from
13:33 Wuzzy           red-001: Minetest does not use any of this arcane wizardry
13:33 Wuzzy           context is for chumps
13:34 Raven262        I will try to translate this as good as i can, but some things might yet sound silly.
13:35 red-001         anyway you would need someone to write a better script for generating weblate files
13:35 red-001         maybe include nearby comments as gettext comments
13:40 Raven262        Can someone tell me what is "Base terrain height"
13:41 Raven262        I have trouble translating this, since it is out of context
13:41 Raven262        Could be both height of the terrain, and some variable used in map generation
13:43 Calinou         we have our share of newly-made words for computing things in French
13:43 Calinou         like "infonuagique" for "cloud computing"
13:43 red-001         oh lol gettext didn't support unicode for a time because it didn't work well in Emacs
13:43 Calinou         French admnistrations are supposed to use them, too
13:43 Calinou         (they rarely do, though)
13:44 red-001         don't you have like a centrally authority for making up new words?
13:44 Raven262        I'm forging new words here
13:45 Raven262        Thios is not even allowed in our grammar
13:45 Raven262        *this
13:45 Raven262        Well some of it
13:45 Raven262        We do have high amount of assimilated words
13:45 Raven262        So it is not that hard for some of these to be "Serbified"
13:45 Calinou         red-001: we do
13:46 Raven262        Still, i think we Serbs have the best curses in the region, considering the high potential to make them
13:47 Raven262        Our language is so good for curses
13:47 Raven262        I could make a curse out of anything, guess thats useful
13:47 red-001         well thats useful
13:48 Calinou         did your country invent ncurses then? ;)
13:48 Raven262        xD
13:48 IhrFussel       German is actually *the* best language for making up words since you can combine any X nouns into a new noun
13:48 Raven262        Yes, and then you get those long words
13:48 red-001         so newcursecompondcursewords
13:48 Raven262        Does Germany hold the world record for longest word?
13:48 red-001         and minetestbugtesting
13:50 Raven262        Bumpmapping? Well, i guess we don't have a word for that yet.
13:50 red-001         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweebuffelsmeteenskootmorsdoodgeskietfontein
13:51 Raven262        well, they could invent anything, right?
13:51 Raven262        Omg i translated this
13:51 IhrFussel       The longest German word was an actual law name "Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz"
13:52 IhrFussel       But it's been removed in 2013
13:52 ThomasMonroe    wow
13:52 Raven262        Yea, guess other people had problems reading it
13:52 ThomasMonroe    more than likely were mispelling it
13:53 red-001         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKn9kShqatc
13:58 MinetestBot     02[git] 04juhdanad -> 03minetest/minetest: Document hardware coloring and soft node overlays (#5876) 1330c51a1 https://git.io/vHzCO (152017-06-02T13:57:59Z)
13:58 CWz             what is this Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz?
13:59 Raven262        Someone really had to make a difference between a "cave" and a "cavern"?
13:59 ThomasMonroe    or a problem about the way you sneezed
14:00 DS-minetest     cowmeatlabelstalkmissiontransvernet
14:00 ThomasMonroe    lol
14:00 DS-minetest     (very bad translated)
14:00 Raven262        Ok, guys stop hitting your keyboards with your head
14:00 ThomasMonroe    the longest word in the English language is the other word for Tritan
14:01 DS-minetest     lol
14:01 ThomasMonroe    a whoppin 136000 letters long
14:01 ThomasMonroe    Titan, not Tritan
14:01 Raven262        Well now, that maybe makes more sense
14:02 Raven262        And that word is?
14:02 ThomasMonroe    Titan is oe of the largest protiens that our body makes
14:02 ThomasMonroe    one*
14:02 ThomasMonroe    thus the long chemical name
14:02 Raven262        Any protein's name can be read that way.
14:03 Raven262        And i doubt it is longer than specific DNA's chemical name
14:03 ThomasMonroe    touche
14:03 Raven262        Any DNA's name
14:03 ThomasMonroe    but all DNA is different
14:03 Raven262        Indeed.
14:03 ThomasMonroe    so they cant be considered true words
14:03 ThomasMonroe    Titan stays the same
14:04 Raven262        heh
14:04 Raven262        How about polymer names?
14:04 ThomasMonroe    shorter
14:04 Raven262        Any polymer would have long name since it is repeating
14:04 ThomasMonroe    by about 30000 letters
14:04 Raven262        Nah
14:04 Raven262        Polymers could get longer
14:05 ThomasMonroe    true
14:05 ThomasMonroe    but again are they a set length?
14:05 Raven262        Nope
14:05 Raven262        :P
14:06 Raven262        I guess that longest protein will then get the longest word.
14:06 ThomasMonroe    :P
14:06 Raven262        But what is a protein if not also a polymer?
14:06 Raven262        It is a chain of amino acids
14:06 ThomasMonroe    that is set in length
14:07 ThomasMonroe    change one amino acid and you destroy the cell
14:07 ThomasMonroe    er protien
14:07 ThomasMonroe    not cell
14:07 Raven262        I doubt one couldn't make a polymer protein that has the stability to be infinitely long
14:08 Raven262        or to make an infinitely long chain that is
14:08 Raven262        *A protein, as it is considered a polymer already
14:09 ThomasMonroe    true
14:16 red-001         well it's not really english
14:17 DS-minetest     +
14:17 ThomasMonroe    touche
14:18 DS-minetest     afait iupac is international and mostly consists of greek words and co.
14:21 rom1504         do you even
14:22 ^7heo           depends.
14:34 DS-minetest     hm
14:34 * DS-minetest   is stupid
14:34 * DS-minetest   is making a mod client- and server-side but where will he put it on forums?! >_<
14:35 red-001         ?
14:35 DS-minetest     to wip mods or csm
14:35 red-001         both!
14:35 red-001         well I suppose it depends
14:36 red-001         tell us more!
14:36 DS-minetest     it's a mod that adds events for when the pressed keys of player change
14:37 DS-minetest     i think, posting it to both is no bad idea
14:37 red-001         huh and you got the same code to work both client and server-side?
14:37 DS-minetest     eh, i check if minetest.set_node is nil
14:38 DS-minetest     so, i change the code a little bit
14:38 red-001         you could check INIT
14:38 red-001         it's "client" on the client iirc
14:38 red-001         and "game" on the server
14:39 DS-minetest     ah, ok
14:40 red-001         it's a gobal that builtin uses but all mods can access it
14:40 red-001         global*
14:41 DS-minetest     thank
14:41 DS-minetest     +s*
14:42 rom1504         you could do a mod forum and post it there !
15:01 stormchaser3000 did anyone notice the "F*** Minetest" (without any censoring) server? because i noticed a server with that name on the server list a few minutes ago
15:02 Raven262        well there is nothing to do about it.
15:03 Raven262        Except
15:03 Raven262        *Evil laugh starts*
15:03 Raven262        DDOS!
15:03 Raven262        *Evil laugh ends*
15:03 stormchaser3000 O_o
15:03 Raven262        Not that anyone here would do it
15:04 Raven262        Not me anyway
15:04 kaeza           greetings
15:04 Raven262        Hello kaeza
15:13 dusko           hi there
15:13 dusko           i need help
15:13 dusko           anyone help me pls?
15:16 sfan5           just ask and someone might be there to answer
15:17 dusko           i have newest minetest in linux mint rosa and i have installed modes from software manager but when i try to add new modes then it fails to run
15:17 MinetestBot     02[git] 04Wuzzy2 -> 03minetest/minetest: Remove “inf” argument from shutdown command help (#5880) 1380fe516 https://git.io/vHzVG (152017-06-02T15:16:30Z)
15:19 kaeza           dusko, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073
15:20 calcul0n        it's better to install the latest mods versions manually i think
15:20 calcul0n        same for minetest itself, as packaged games are rarely up to date
15:22 * DS-minetest   created the repo: https://github.com/DS-Minetest/keyevent
15:27 kaeza           DS-minetest, emojis in commit messages? :sad:
15:28 DS-minetest     kaeza: is it problematic?
15:28 kaeza           no, just ugly
15:28 * DS-minetest   dosn't think so
15:29 DS-minetest     it brings more colour in
15:29 kaeza           a puppy dies everytime an emoji appears in a commit message
15:29 kaeza           stop killing puppies
15:29 DS-minetest     lol
15:29 kaeza           well, except for that candy dog sort of thing
15:30 kaeza           he can go straight to hell
15:30 DS-minetest     yeah, i dont use it always, just on initial ones and in PR commits, that arent visible later
15:34 Wuzzy           hi
15:34 Wuzzy           does anyone in here know a 16×16 Minecraft texture pack which also happens to be under a libre license?
15:42 red-001         Wuzzy, maybe ask in #minecraft ?
15:43 Wuzzy           oh, i didnt know they have a channel in freenode
16:06 IhrFussel       @ MT devs: Why did you code the day-night transition so ugly? It would look wayy better if you included a few more colors in between...right now it just suddenly jumps to another sky color...is it resource heavy to have more colors for the sky?
16:09 red-001         I guess someone would have to code it
16:10 IhrFussel       red-001, wouldn't it be just a few more lines for color definitions?
16:10 IhrFussel       And maybe a few more to define what color happens at which time
16:11 red-001         I honestly don't know
16:25 IhrFussel       I'll check it
16:27 Calinou         day-night transition looks fine to me
16:27 Calinou         (testing with time_speed 500)
16:27 Calinou         it is a tad abrupt in the beginning of sunset, though
16:27 IhrFussel       IMO the colors are too different
16:27 IhrFussel       They should change more smoothly
16:28 Calinou         ah, the problem also occurs at the beginning of sunrise
16:30 Raven262        Maybe you should consider a different approach.
16:30 Raven262        Talking about skyboxes/skydomes here
16:33 Calinou         we already use a skybox, it's just procedural
16:33 Calinou         it's not a texture, that 'sall
16:33 Calinou         textured skyboxes rarely look good for day-night cycles
16:33 Calinou         Minecraft also uses a procedural skybox
16:34 Raven262        So the sky is already a skybox? i didn't know that
16:40 IhrFussel       The c++ sky code looks EXTREMELY complicated...it seems to only contain a few base colors and then changes based on "color_change_fraction" ?
17:04 MinetestBot     02[git] 04Wuzzy2 -> 03minetest/minetest: Lua_api.txt: Various edits and Markdown syntax improvements 131b83b0a https://git.io/vHz7t (152017-06-02T17:01:12Z)
17:07 Inocudom        Eiion_ceo talked about Minetest today: https://youtu.be/QlrG6hq-jLg
17:08 Inocudom        Please, discuss. Speak of where you agree and disagree with him.
17:10 red-001         who is this?
17:11 red-001         a doom modder?
17:11 Inocudom        I made a topic about him in the Minetest forums: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=17749
17:13 Inocudom        He is modding GZDoom in an attempt to make it truly multi core. However, he now has in interest in Minetest, because I told him about it.
17:14 CalebDavis      i am trying to make a small mod that lets you make infinite lava sources but it just doesnt do anything so here's the code can someone let me know where i went wrong https://pastebin.com/VY3wFW17
17:15 Inocudom        Since he might be able to assist Minetest in the future, I now have an actual, real reason to talk about his activities here.
17:20 Alcyone2        Hi everyone !
17:21 Alcyone2        Trying to set up an educational minetest server on a Debian, I have some issue. I explain
17:21 CWz             already did renewable lava
17:21 Alcyone2        Everything installed, the server works. I can be connected on local network
17:21 red-001         Inocudom, I think access to the hard drive is a known bottlenet
17:22 Alcyone2        but outside, connection time out. The port is open, netstat -laputn seems to confirm it
17:22 Inocudom        Very true, red-001. HHD drives are slower than SSD drives.
17:22 Alcyone2        but I'm still unable to reach the server from outside the local network
17:23 Alcyone2        I did the same with a server on a RPI and it works perfectly
17:23 Alcyone2        I wonder if something is missing
17:23 Alcyone2        does anyone has an idea ?
17:23 red-001         no sorry
17:24 red-001         if you are correctly forwarding UDP traffic then this shouldn't happen
17:24 Inocudom        You are using Minetest in your school, Alcyone2? I find that to be good news, because it shows that Minetest is still going strong, even after all these years.
17:25 Alcyone2        Thank you anyway red-001
17:26 red-001         maybe ask on a channel about computer networking
17:26 Alcyone2        Inocudom, not exactly, I'm a member of an hackerspace :) but some member are working with kids and already using Mintest
17:27 Inocudom        Well, just don't use that knowledge for any nefarious purposes, because there are those that do.
17:27 Alcyone2        It was my idea to create an educational server to improve Minetest notoriety on one hand and trying to create a good base of educational project on the other hand
17:28 Alcyone2        hum, Inocudom you may confuse hacker and cracker
17:29 Alcyone2        only cracker use their knowledge on nefarious purposes
17:29 red-001         ##networking maybe?
17:29 Alcyone2        So, here the goal is mainly educational (and having fun)
17:29 Alcyone2        I will try red-001 thanks :)
17:30 Inocudom        The Minetest community should be happy to know that users such as yourself are using Minetest for constructive purposes.
17:31 Alcyone2        I didn't set up the Debian, I will first find who did it
17:31 Inocudom        And yes, cracker is a good term for computer users that are causing chaos, as is seen these days.
17:31 red-001         Out`Of`Control, have you managed to solve the issue with the cheater that had a VPN?
17:32 Alcyone2        There are some, check on the forum, I think several teachers (mainly in USA) tells us what they do and share everything they do Inocudom  :)
17:32 Alcyone2        I'm french by the way
17:32 Alcyone2        there are some idea and try
17:33 Alcyone2        the most famous is principaly through an association called Framasoft (you can find there server in the server list). They try to make Minetest discovered by teacher as an educational game
17:33 Inocudom        Well, welcome to Minetest's community. You know, Redcrab was from France as well, but he is not in this community anymore.
17:35 Alcyone2        Thanks Inocudom :) I'm already here for few months. I also discussed with Calinou, french too (or french speaking, dunno) who help me first with my RPI to test a server for this project
17:35 Alcyone2        helped*
17:36 Inocudom        He had a good server too, but it has not been updated for quite some time, though OldCoder made a more updated server to host its map.
17:37 red-001         is redcarbs server still active?
17:37 Inocudom        Minetest does have a fork known as Freeminer, but that fork's development is on shaky ground these days, it seems.
17:38 red-001         read- mostly dead
17:38 Alcyone2        Does redcarbs works on Freeminer in fact ?
17:38 CalebDavis      CWz sry i wasnt looking how did you do renewable lava?
17:38 red-001         well there are a bunch of forks
17:38 Inocudom        Redcrabs server probably still exists, but modern clients can't connect to it. Instead, they would do well to try to go to OldCoder's version of it.
17:38 red-001         most of them trival and not worth the time to check out
17:39 red-001         voxeland and freeminer are the majour ones
17:39 red-001         A map isn't much good if it lacks the community
17:40 Inocudom        Well, it was the community that was the heart and soul of the map.
17:40 Inocudom        And its builders too.
17:41 red-001         does redcrab not have the time to update?
17:41 red-001         or did they move on to another project altogether?
17:42 Inocudom        That does seem to be the case, red-001.
17:42 Calinou         Alcyone2: I'm French, yes, and also French-speaking :)
17:42 Inocudom        After a while, Redcrab just didn't have time to update the server anymore.
17:44 Out`Of`Control  red-001: yes, bannem them with xban
17:45 Out`Of`Control  banned*
17:45 Out`Of`Control  and with help of iptables
17:46 Alcyone2        Calinou, wasn't sure ;) thank you again for your help (even if I didn't succeed yet with systemd deamon)
17:47 Calinou         Alcyone2: I made systemd services for Minetest and other games, it's easy
17:47 Calinou         for automatic restart, start-on-boot…
17:47 Calinou         and easier management in general
17:48 Alcyone2        Calinou, I completly failed with that on my RPI
17:48 Alcyone2        but I will try if it works on the Debian of my hackerspace
17:49 bashboi         I know this is not the right place to ask, sorry; but is this bash statment condition right: [$player != "stop"] ?
17:49 bashboi         where player is a variable
17:50 IhrFussel       bashboi, space between [ and $player also between " and ]
17:50 basxto          [ is a command
17:50 IhrFussel       Bash cares a lot about spaces
17:51 bashboi         oh didn't know that
17:51 bashboi         but i still get error
17:51 IhrFussel       bashboi, [ ] is a condition a command uses $()
17:51 IhrFussel       oops meant basxto
17:52 IhrFussel       bashboi, try if [[ $player != "stop ]]; then
17:52 IhrFussel       "stop"*
17:54 bashboi         thanks
17:54 basxto          IhrFussel: if is followed by a program, that have to return 0 or 1 … you could also write “if test 1 -eq 1; then echo 1; else echo 2; fi”
17:54 bashboi         now it works
17:55 IhrFussel       basxto, people generally refer to it as "condition" since other languages don't have a test command
17:56 basxto          oh, there is also a built-in test command
17:57 IhrFussel       "test" just sounds stupid
17:57 IhrFussel       "Oh I'm testing this test command"
17:58 bashboi         testception
17:58 basxto          it’s a good name for a program … but shells also seem to implement it themself
17:58 basxto          GNU coreutils contains test and it’s alias [
17:59 IhrFussel       I read on StackOverflow you should rather use [[ ]] instead
17:59 IhrFussel       IF your script doesn't need to be portable*
18:05 IhrFussel       AFAIK [[ ]] isn't slower and adds many benefits to the statements (if Bash only is required)
18:10 ThomasMonroe    how do you change the gravity on armor?
18:11 CalebDavis      physics_gravity=-<diference>
18:12 ThomasMonroe    what is a good value to start it out with?
18:13 CalebDavis      unobtanium has it at -0.15
18:14 ThomasMonroe    O.O
18:14 CalebDavis      and physics_speed=multiplier
18:14 ThomasMonroe    ok
18:14 ThomasMonroe    ok
18:14 ThomasMonroe    oops
18:15 CalebDavis      where it will run default_speed+default_speed*multiplier
18:17 Calinou         Alcyone2: I use Ubuntu 16.04 on my VPS here, Debian 8 should be similar enough
18:18 Alcyone2        Calinou, I think so. I use minetestserver backport installation on Debian
18:18 Alcyone2        there is already a deamon in fac
18:18 Alcyone2        fact
18:18 Alcyone2        I found yesterday this : https://framacloud.org/cultiver-son-jardin/installation-de-minetest/
18:19 Alcyone2        They advice to disable the one installed and create a new one
18:20 Calinou         build from source :P
18:20 Calinou         (might not be easy on ARM, though)
18:20 ThomasMonroe    caleb waht does the physics_jump do?
18:21 CalebDavis      changes the jump strength the same way speed is changed
18:22 zorman2000      Hi all
18:23 zorman2000      I'm having issues with entities...
18:23 zorman2000      Currently spawning an entity and trying to save a variable to the Lua Entity as soon as it is spawned
18:24 zorman2000      Something like: ent:get_luaentity().owner_name = user:get_player_name()
18:24 zorman2000      This works at first
18:24 zorman2000      But if I quit the game, and log in back, owner_name variable is gone
18:26 zorman2000      Any ideas?
18:27 CalebDavis      no sry i have never worked with entities
18:28 ThomasMonroe    save the owner_name in the players file?
18:30 zorman2000      But the entities wouldn't know it
18:30 zorman2000      Plus I have worked with entities before and I think they do save variables... hmmm
18:35 zorman2000      Thanks anyways!
18:35 ThomasMonroe    np, sorry we couldnt help
18:35 zorman2000      No worries, I think I have a lead now... thanks
18:35 zorman2000      See you all!
18:36 ThomasMonroe    cya
18:46 IhrFussel       No wonder owner_name var is empty after RESTART ... Lua doesn't remember vars
19:06 Inocudom        It looks like a few new keybindings are possible in Minetest now. Previously, certain keys could not be used.
19:36 Inocudom        Err... I hope that the Minetest community will be accepting of Eiion_ceo. There is no need for another starblessed incident. I hope people have matured beyond that.
19:37 red-001         starblessed?
19:38 Inocudom        A few years ago, he tried to help out Minetest too, but was rejected. A few other people have had similar experiences.
19:38 ThomasMonroe    like OC?
19:39 red-001         well did he troll?
19:39 Inocudom        I am not familiar with the name OC, unless you mean OldCoder?
19:39 red-001         yes
19:39 red-001         at least I did
19:40 Inocudom        As far as I know, starblessed was not trolling.
19:40 red-001         oh ok
19:40 red-001         so what happened?
19:41 Inocudom        OldCoder's servers are still up, by the way. It's just that ShadowNinja's old server (which OldCoder maintains now) crashes due to an internal error.
19:41 red-001         :( he wiped all his posts
19:42 Inocudom        Well, starblessed wanted to host some servers where people could upload stuff for Minetest, apparently.
19:43 red-001         I wish people didn't do that when they quit
19:43 Inocudom        Me too. VanessaE addressed that issue recently, as well.
19:44 red-001         it just makes it so much more annoying in the future
19:55 red-001         oh I found it http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2013-07-20
19:58 red-001         oh great it was over nginx vs Apache
19:58 red-001         well that's petty
20:05 ThomasMonroe    hey swift110
20:15 red-001         wb?
20:16 bigfoot547      Sorry, I wanted to test the auto-join feature in hexchat; :)
20:24 Inocudom        Bye.
20:29 Fixer           *,...,*
20:29 bigfoot547      ?
21:04 pie3            hi
21:04 pie3            what is minetest
21:04 bigfoot547      Minetest is an OpenGL voxel game.
21:04 bigfoot547      Sandbox voxel game.
21:04 Fixer           engine* that also contains basic game*
21:04 Fixer           moddable
21:05 bigfoot547      What he said.
21:05 bigfoot547      Check out minetest.net
21:06 GNU[BDC]        0.4.16 is out?
21:06 bigfoot547      Nope, not yet.
21:06 pie3            i came to know about minetest since minecraft is not free
21:06 pie3            i asked free equivalent game
21:06 pie3            is this true?
21:07 GNU[BDC]        what?
21:07 pie3            minetest is minecraft equivalent?
21:07 bigfoot547      It follows the same idea structure...
21:07 bigfoot547      Same concept...
21:07 pie3            how to install on  linux?
21:07 GNU[BDC]        pie3:  minetest is great. Never played minecraft so i can't compare
21:07 bigfoot547      dev.minetest.net/Compiling_minetest
21:07 pie3            which are other games like minetest & minecraft?
21:08 bigfoot547      dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest*
21:08 bigfoot547      dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
21:08 GNU[BDC]        ?
21:08 GNU[BDC]        pie3:  did you try minetest?
21:08 bigfoot547      Ah. Yes! I got the URL correct!
21:08 pie3            not yet GNU[BDC]
21:09 GNU[BDC]        try it out
21:09 pie3            how to install on linux?
21:09 bigfoot547      dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
21:09 GNU[BDC]        there are many public servers
21:09 GNU[BDC]        pie3:  what OS?
21:09 bigfoot547      It tells you how to compile from source
21:09 pie3            mint cinnamon
21:09 pie3            ok
21:09 pie3            how much download is required?
21:09 pie3            i have limited speed of internet
21:09 GNU[BDC]        pie3:  did you look in your repo?
21:10 pie3            thanks for tip GNU[BDC] it is available in synaptic
21:10 bigfoot547      Ok, that could be an old version though.
21:11 pie3            will it work ? bigfoot547
21:11 pie3            i started installation from synaptci
21:11 bigfoot547      It should, what version are you installing.
21:11 GNU[BDC]        0.4.15 ?
21:13 pie3            4.13
21:13 pie3            GNU[BDC]:
21:13 bigfoot547      Ok, not super old... We are about to release 0.4.16
21:14 pie3            how to play game
21:14 GNU[BDC]        thats very old
21:14 pie3            delete , new, configure, play options are found
21:14 pie3            creative or enable damage?
21:15 bigfoot547      Creative: Infinite blocks...
21:15 bigfoot547      Enable damage: You have 10 hearts...
21:15 pie3            should i uncheck "enable damage"?
21:15 pie3            untick
21:16 bigfoot547      If you want to.
21:16 calcul0n        if you uncheck it you'll be immortal, that's your choice
21:16 pie3            if i press play button
21:16 pie3            there is an erro
21:16 pie3            r
21:16 pie3            no world created or selected
21:16 bigfoot547      Ok, click "Create" to create a world.
21:17 pie3            there is no "create" option
21:17 bigfoot547      On the main menu?
21:17 pie3            should i press "configure"?
21:17 calcul0n        it's the "new" button to create a world
21:17 bigfoot547      Sorry, "new" option
21:18 pie3            ok
21:18 pie3            what shold i enter in entries?
21:18 pie3            seed?
21:19 calcul0n        you just have to give it a name
21:19 calcul0n        everything else is otpional
21:19 bigfoot547      You can set the name of the world in the top, then seed, then mapgen (leave at "v7)
21:19 pie3            ok
21:19 pie3            next?
21:19 bigfoot547      Click create.
21:19 bigfoot547      Once you are done typing stuff in.
21:20 Fixer           0.4.13 is super old
21:20 Fixer           there was huge progress since 0.4.13
21:20 bigfoot547      Yes... we will get there Fixer :)
21:20 pie3            Hmm i see
21:20 Fixer           0.4.16 will be reasiled in few days
21:20 pie3            i will try latest one
21:21 pie3            how to update from 4.13 to 4.16 in linux?
21:21 bigfoot547      Ok, go to https://github.com/minetest/minetest
21:21 red-001         0.4.16 should be released on Sunday
21:21 bigfoot547      and download minetest as a .zip.
21:21 bigfoot547      Or use git as explained here: dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest
21:22 red-001         if you are planning to compile minetest git is recommended
21:22 red-001         it's easier to update
21:23 calcul0n        also maybe you should uninstall the package first to avoid conflicts
21:23 calcul0n        i don't think it would be a problem, but just in case
21:23 bigfoot547      Or, just don't make install
21:24 red-001         what OS still has 0.4.13?
21:25 pie3            mint cinnamon
21:25 bigfoot547      I know debian has 0.4.10
21:25 red-001         :(
21:25 Fixer           O_O
21:25 swift110        hey
21:25 Fixer           0.4.10 is ancient
21:25 Fixer           dinosaur era
21:25 calcul0n        yep, debian is "stable" :p
21:25 bigfoot547      Or lazy,,,
21:25 calcul0n        but sid has the latest version
21:26 bigfoot547      Maybe jessie-backports has something...
21:26 red-001         what's the point of that sort of "stable"?
21:26 kaeza           <VanessaE> s/stable/stale/
21:26 calcul0n        well, debian stable is not a good choice if you want to play
21:27 kaeza           isn't Mint based on Ubuntu? can't you use the PPA?
21:27 red-001         huh
21:27 red-001         good point
21:27 red-001         the PPA got fixed a while back so it should work now
21:28 kaeza           pie3, see if this works: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable
21:28 red-001         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3837
21:30 pie3            will check kaeza
21:30 kaeza           for some reason shift+l does not work :(
21:30 kaeza           like, can't type uppercase L
21:30 kaeza           well, I can, but must temporarily switch caps lock on
21:31 red-001         https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds
21:31 bigfoot547      Me too!
21:31 calcul0n        i have a similar problem here, i can't type the 7 key
21:31 bigfoot547      Oh. Now I can, flase alarm...
21:31 bigfoot547      false*
21:31 red-001         L?
21:31 kaeza           eh, I mean everywhere, not just MT
21:31 bigfoot547      Try holding backspace.
21:32 calcul0n        ho
21:32 bigfoot547      I did it and that seemed to fix it...
21:33 kaeza           the weird thing is that lowercase l works ok O.o
21:33 kaeza           lllll
21:33 bigfoot547      lLlL
21:33 bigfoot547      7&7&
21:33 kaeza           7/7/
21:33 kaeza           (spanish layout)
21:36 kaeza           bigfoot547, Ctrl+W solves all problems in IRC
21:36 bigfoot547      What do you mean?
21:36 kaeza           try it
21:36 Edgy1           haha dont
21:37 * Fuchs         glares
21:37 Edgy1           bigfoot547, it will disconnect you from the channel
21:37 bigfoot547      Let's see... Keybinds... Close...Ctrl+Q! Knew I shouldn't do it!
21:37 bigfoot547      Ctrl+W*
21:37 Edgy1           ctrl w just closes the channel
21:37 Edgy1           not the whole client
21:38 Edgy1           like ctrl q or alt f4
21:38 bigfoot547      Speaking of... I should set a message when I quit...
21:40 Edgy1           bigfoot547, my laptop says "this computer has joined the labor union and went on strike"
22:08 bigfoot547      Does anyone have experience with ncurses's pair_content function?