IRC log for #minetest, 2017-05-24

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00:07	bigfoot547	!rainbow Yay! Rainbows!
00:07	MinetestBot	4Ya7y! 8Rai3nbows!6
00:23	wilkgr	I just learnt that "racecar" is a palindrome
00:23	bigfoot547	Palindrome is not a palindrome!
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00:24	bigfoot547	ðŸ˜²
00:26	deinoguy1	rainbows?
00:26	bigfoot547	Yeah, type !rainbow, then your text,
00:27	deinoguy1	!rainbow Awesome.
00:27	MinetestBot	4Aw7es8om3e.
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00:40	XtremeHacker	Anyone know where MT installs to when you compile it?
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00:44	bigfoot547	No idea. I just don't run sudo make install
00:45	bigfoot547	What's up with the 0.5.0-dev tag?
00:46	bigfoot547	Has 0.5.0 already happened?
00:47	bigfoot547	No, there have been 2,258 commits since this tag...
00:47	bigfoot547	Here's a link: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/tag/0.5.0-dev
00:48	bigfoot547	Also, Are we ever going to have a minetest 1.0?
00:51	rubenwardy	that branch isn't used
00:51	rubenwardy	0.5 is either going to be the next release, or the one after
00:52	rubenwardy	however it's probably the one after, as nerzhul wants the next to be 0.4.16 (it allows more time for breaking features for 0.5)
00:52	bigfoot547	Also, Are we ever going to have a 1.0?
00:53	rubenwardy	no idea
00:53	VanessaE	rubenwardy: well given how different 0.4.16 will be from 0.4.15 in terms of features, combined with the map version bump..... I have to wonder if 0.5.0 wouldn't be a better idea.
00:53	rubenwardy	makes sense
00:54	rubenwardy	no reason why we couldn't go to 0.6.0 for more breaking change
00:54	rubenwardy	+s
00:54	VanessaE	indeed
00:57	bigfoot547	ðŸ‘
00:57	bigfoot547	I don't know this unicode, it is a replacement char for me. Please be a thumbs-up
00:58	VanessaE	http://emojipedia.org/thumbs-up-sign/
00:58	VanessaE	it is.
00:59	bigfoot547	Good. I used character map.
00:59	VanessaE	neither my browser nor hexchat display it though
01:00	VanessaE	my fonts are probably out-of-date.
01:01	bigfoot547	Me to
01:01	Voltz	lol when in clash of clans and you have 10 elixir collectors being raged
01:03	bigfoot547	I clicked over here and suddeenly died in happy wheels
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05:44	MinetestBot	[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Minimal: Add river water nodes (#5809) 649f641 https://git.io/vHmtV (2017-05-24T05:43:17Z)
05:47	MinetestBot	[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Add formspec escaping to subgame list in create world dialog (#5808) e8fb1f7 https://git.io/vHmtX (2017-05-24T05:45:23Z)
06:22	MinetestBot	[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Settings: Use new settings object eec1c5a https://git.io/vHmmR (2017-05-24T06:18:26Z)
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06:57	MinetestBot	[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Revert 1469424 and fix wrong char position when doing mouse selectionâ€¦ 099624a https://git.io/vHm3v (2017-05-24T06:56:40Z)
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08:28	Elench	What's the best mod that supports pooping?
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09:40	zyabin101	a'i
09:42	zyabin101	hmm, a bug(?) in 0.4.15 stable allows me to fall off the block :/
09:43	Markow	ðŸ‘‹ Good morning (almost afternoon) ðŸ‘‹ !
09:43	zyabin101	@Markow 13:43 here
09:44	Markow	Must be more east of me ... Russia?
09:44	zyabin101	aye
09:44	Markow	;)
09:45	zyabin101	Time to make some textures!
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10:45	zyabin101	o_o
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11:55	zyabin101	The Feature Freeze of 2017 has happened, what do I need to know?
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11:56	sfan5	read the commit log ;)
12:05	Out`Of`Control	what commit?
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12:20	Fixer	all of them!1
12:21	Fixer	Out`Of`Control: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/master
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12:34	Fixer	current rough changelog: https://pastebin.com/raw/MNuNsFX4
12:36	Fixer	will reupdate
12:36	red-001	that looks like a list of commits
12:37	Fixer	yep
12:37	DS-minetest	+
12:40	Fixer	here is corrected list: https://pastebin.com/raw/maTFqmKh
12:42	DS-minetest	i wouldn't mix the game changes and core changes together
12:43	Fixer	DS-minetest: they are not
12:45	DS-minetest	oops, true, sry >_<
12:46	ThomasMonroe	hi DS
12:47	DS-minetest	hi ThomasMonroe
12:47	DS-minetest	oh, and
12:47	DS-minetest	hi MinetestBot
12:47	MinetestBot	Hi DS-minetest
12:53	zyabin101	hey MinetestBot
12:53	MinetestBot	Hello zyabin101
12:53	zyabin101	hey MinetestBot?
12:53	* zyabin101	records
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13:00	zyabin101	^ Kludges wont work!
13:01	zyabin101	Now: how do I assign cobblestone as stone in the mapgen?
13:02	zyabin101	Next, how do I make a default for any mapgen node that is not liquid?
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13:57	yusf[m]	I don't understand CSM. Can they be distributed by a server, still?
13:58	VanessaE	right now CSM is strictly for local mods that can run while you're on a server
13:58	VanessaE	the server still runs all the actual mods
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13:59	VanessaE	CSM is roughly equivalent to a local browser add-on such as Fast Dial or Privacy Badger
14:00	yusf[m]	So even if say the minimap can now be controlled in more ways be means of CSM, mods and subgames on server have no use of that then?
14:00	VanessaE	where as regular mods are more like a plugin for the web server, or say server-side Java applets
14:00	VanessaE	subgames on the server are supposed to be able to disable the minimap, I THINK, but I don't know otherwise
14:01	VanessaE	for now, just think of CSM as being able to tweak the specific behavior of your client, without having any real effect on the server.
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14:02	yusf[m]	I see, that sounds useful for some. But isn't the idea to be able to offload server processing to the client-side, long-term?
14:02	VanessaE	at some point in the future, the server will be able to send CSM code and execute it on your client, similar to Javascript on your web browser
14:02	yusf[m]	Yes, servers may disable them but can't otherwise control its modes, zoom and style.
14:03	VanessaE	I don't know what the situation will be as far as "load sharing"
14:04	yusf[m]	That is great, can't wait! As long as one can control the whole experience from the server, be it partly by CSM, I'm happy.
14:05	yusf[m]	In more than a few GH issues lives the sentiment that "let's wait until we can do this in CSM", while very little is known of a CSM roadmap/rollout plan.
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14:07	VanessaE	that's because CSM is still experimental :)
14:08	zyabin101_	I just realised that I had not ghosted ^
14:09	zyabin101	How can I set cobblestone as the mapgen default for nodes that are not liquid?
14:09	* red-001	might have to remove CSM from the list of words to high light
14:09	VanessaE	no idea
14:09	zyabin101	okay...
14:10	zyabin101	How do I set it to generate with the mapgen?
14:10	VanessaE	no idea on that either :)
14:11	cheapie	zyabin101: Here's a simple Lua mapgen, if it helps: https://github.com/cheapie/flatperiod/blob/master/init.lua
14:14	yusf[m]	VanessaE: Thank you for the clarifications on CSM. :)
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14:17	VanessaE	don't quote me, yusf[m] :)
14:17	VanessaE	I might be 100% wrong :)
14:24	yusf[m]	I promise :D
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14:33	zyabin101	Which `mapgen_` aliases do exist?
14:33	zyabin101	lua_api.txt doesn't seem to say.
14:33	rubenwardy	games/minetest_game/mods/default/mapgen.lua
14:33	rubenwardy	this should be better documented though
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14:47	zyabin101	Fun fact: when you omit a wieldhand, the "dumb wieldhand" molds to the shape of the item.
14:48	zyabin101	When starting out, it is a small voxel.
14:48	zyabin101	I give the player a cobblestone node, place it.
14:49	zyabin101	As a result, the wieldhand becomes the size of a node XD
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18:16	An0n3m0us	Can any1 point me out to the HOMETOWN irc?
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18:48	An0n3m0us	Anyone know what channel HOMETOWN is on?
18:49	rom1504	the third one
18:50	Krock	I believe (s)he would like to know the IRC channel name
18:51	rom1504	I believe so too
18:51	Krock	no explicit channel found on inchranet
18:53	An0n3m0us	third one?
18:53	An0n3m0us	like #minetest for here, what is HOMETOME channel
18:56	rubenwardy	/irc_channel ?
18:56	rubenwardy	there's a command to find out
18:56	rubenwardy	also, it's likely to be on irc.inchra.net
18:57	An0n3m0us	ok, when I go to there, how do I find it?
18:58	rom1504	An0n3m0us: count to three
18:59	An0n3m0us	?
19:00	rom1504	one two three, you left
19:00	rom1504	anyway
19:01	rom1504	clearly there's no irc chan for it
19:01	Krock	An0n3m0us, asked a player from the server on IRC here.. let's see if he knows more
19:01	rom1504	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16699 no mention here, no mention on google, no chan with hometown in the description in /list of irc.inchra.net
19:01	Krock	rom1504, one two three you're fired
19:02	Krock	as in: real fire
19:02	An0n3m0us	ok thx guys. bye 5 now
19:02	rom1504	here we go
19:02	rom1504	your fire worked Krock
19:02	Krock	wrong person
19:02	rom1504	:D
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19:37	AntumDeluge	I am having a problem getting inventory_plus mod to work again on my local server: https://s6.postimg.org/s027af5pd/screenshot_20170523_170320.png
19:38	AntumDeluge	I had uninstalled it to try out sfinv mod, then re-installed. But I can't get it to work again. I only get basic inventory.
19:38	AntumDeluge	Forum post here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=17681
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19:57	swift110	hey
19:58	Krock	AntumDeluge, do you use the most recent version of the armor mod?
19:59	Krock	since it's the mod that produces such an inventory
20:00	AntumDeluge	Using stable version of 3d_armor: 0.4.9 (793c748 Git)
20:01	AntumDeluge	I removed 3d_armor_sfinv & 3d_armor_ui mods.
20:03	AntumDeluge	Oh, I think I just figured out what is going on....
20:03	Krock	hmm?
20:04	AntumDeluge	inventory_plus is not loading because 'creative' mod is not being recognized/loaded.
20:05	Krock	ah, there we go
20:05	AntumDeluge	I'll try to fix that & see if 'inventory_plus' starts working.
20:06	Krock	well, the current creative mod uses sfinv too, so the best way to solve this would be to use a previous version of it
20:15	AntumDeluge	Yep, that is exactly the problem. There is a circle of dependencies: inventory_plus -> creative -> sfinv
20:15	AntumDeluge	So, I think you are right. I need to downgrade 'creative'.
20:19	Krock	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/022d22cecaa902827cbf05ca70e63ad342b51acf/mods/creative/init.lua
20:19	Krock	pretty much only overwriting your init.lua with this old one
20:20	Krock	but it won't support automatic item colorization
20:20	Krock	because that feature was added later
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20:38	AntumDeluge	I downgraded all mods from 'minetest_game' to stable version (0.4.15) & that alone seems to have fixed the problem.
20:38	AntumDeluge	Didn't have to remove 'sfinv' nor edit 'creative'.
20:41	AntumDeluge	I'm satisfied with this solution for now, though I don't know what other artifacts might arise from it. Thank you Krock.
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21:05	rubenwardy	AntumDeluge, 3d_armor supports sfinv
21:06	AntumDeluge	Yes, I am aware rubenwardy. But I have other mods installed that do not support 'sfinv'. That is why, for now, I want to stick with 'inventory_plus'.
21:06	rubenwardy	what mods, btw?
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21:07	AntumDeluge	'bags' by cornernote is one. I'll have to look over which others. I believe they were also by cornernote, who is also the author of 'inventory_plus'.
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21:26	AntumDeluge	'home_gui' & 'bookmarks_gui' (both by cornernote) are the others that depend on 'inventory_plus'.
21:27	AntumDeluge	From what I understand, the 'sfinv_buttons' mod should allow compatibility between these mods & 'sfinv', but I haven't figured it out yet.
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22:13	IhrFussel	Is there no way to RESET the sky for players? Or am I missing something? Like what if I want to set a custom sky but later use the regular one again?
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22:24	Calinou	IhrFussel: you can set the default sky I thinkâ€¦
22:26	IhrFussel	Calinou, I only found the bgtype and color/image parameters... Not sure where to write "default" or do I need to nil the sky maybe?
22:26	Calinou	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3085-L3092
22:27	Calinou	I think you want to set the "regular" type
22:27	Calinou	you can set any bgcolor, it does not matter
22:29	IhrFussel	Ok thanks for the link...so "regular" means "ignore any custom sky setting and display the default one again"? Awesome
22:30	Calinou	I guess
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23:08	AntumDeluge	Is there an instruction manual/wiki page about 'mod.conf' files & all possible entries?
23:08	AntumDeluge	Already looked at http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Mod.conf
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23:25	wilkgr	The web page at https://forum.minetest.net/posting.php?mode=edit&f=55&t=17680&p=272213 might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address.
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