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XtremeHacker |
Hey rubenwardy, I get this error "mods/infoblock/init.lua:5: '(' expected near 'minetest'" when trying to use the node meta formspecs example here: https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/chapters/formspecs.html |
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XtremeHacker |
Wait, maybe It's because my mod is in a non MTG (my own custom) subgame?... |
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rubenwardy |
what is line 5? |
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XtremeHacker |
minetest.register_node("mymod:rightclick", { |
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rubenwardy |
what's before that? |
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XtremeHacker |
Just a couple of variables I declared |
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XtremeHacker |
Oh, I had a function registration, without end. |
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XtremeHacker |
:facepalm: |
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wilkgr |
Nope, forums still don't like me :/ |
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Raven262 |
Who cares about the forums anyway? xD |
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IhrFussel |
player:set_sky() stacks? For example if one mod sets the sky and then another does too, the sky will NOT be the default one again if one of them sets the sky as "regular" again...at least that's what I'm experiencing |
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paramat |
IhrFussel what commit is your engine on? and are you using 'get sky'? |
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IhrFussel |
Here's what happened: My server starts events depending on the ingame time and chance ... at 21:00 the sky turned red at 22:30 the sky was supposed to turn gray (raining) but instead it went back to regular...when the "red sky event" tried to revert it back to regular it turned gray instead and after rain was over it turned back to normal sky |
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IhrFussel |
My server was compiled Apr 24 and no I just use player_set_sky() inside minetest.get_connected_players() loops |
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paramat |
ok |
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IhrFussel |
paramat, does it sound too complicated? |
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paramat |
no, i agree it should not act that way |
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paramat |
best link your relevant code in a new issue |
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paramat |
the bug i introduced in get sky was added 3rd of May so it's not that |
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paramat |
maybe i'll try running 2 mods to see |
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noxvis0 |
Hey |
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wilkgr |
Hi |
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wilkgr |
..and gn o/ |
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noxvis0 |
How to get one of this freaking red flowers, I want to build a bed |
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noxvis0 |
I generated 4 worlds trying to find this annoying nodes |
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noxvis0 |
Why cant I use any type of flower, I have yellow ones, and blue ones, purple and orange.... but no red hell |
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noxvis0 |
Why cant I use red mushrooms to create that St* dye |
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noxvis0 |
Can someone tell me why you screw the gameplay up that hard? |
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* noxvis0 |
sent a long message: noxvis0_2017-05-25_10:34:36.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/TGBLXDoEMppsAcbgBnxXVqKE> |
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MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mgv6 mudflow: Remove decoration if 'dirt with grass' below flows away… 5b33863 https://git.io/vH3t9 (2017-05-25T10:46:34Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Close formspec on client shutdown. (#5811) 2f291e6 https://git.io/vH3t7 (2017-05-25T10:46:24Z) |
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paramat |
noxvis0 i agree a certain dye should not be needed for a bed, since red flowers can be distant |
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paramat |
i think this has been discussed, maybe a new issue shoud be opened |
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noxvis0 |
I will do it later,im on mobile right now |
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noxvis0 |
paramat: dude, I have more diamond than red flowers right now. (Two) |
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Raven262 |
Well that is something to be proud of. |
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paramat |
ok |
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Raven262 |
You know that you can plant them on the dirt with grass and then they can replicate? |
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paramat |
there is an existing issue that could be re-opened https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/475 best to do that because a new one would be a duplicate |
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paramat |
i'll reopen it then you can add your comments later |
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IhrFussel |
What's the most efficient way to choose a random pos NEARBY the player? |
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paramat |
math.random() within a defined radius? you mean a surface pos? |
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IhrFussel |
paramat, it is supposed to determine where the monster spawns so it should be right next to the player but 2-3 nodes away |
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paramat |
minetest.find_nodes_under_air()? |
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paramat |
lua_api.txt under 'environment access' |
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IhrFussel |
The nodes wouldn't matter it could also be mid-air... right now I simply hard coded the spawn pos local ppos = player:getpos() local fmpos = {} fmpos.x = math.floor(ppos.x+2) fmpos.y = math.floor(ppos.y+0.5) fmpos.z = math.floor(ppos+2) |
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IhrFussel |
paramat, is it ok to just define random numbers and use those as "distance"? Or would that be slow? |
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paramat |
minetest.find_nodes_in_area_under_air(minp, maxp, nodenames) uses engine code so might be the most efficient |
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IhrFussel |
But how would I get the radius? I only have one pos (where the player is) |
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paramat |
just pick a random entry from the table |
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paramat |
minp = ppos - {3, 3, 3} ... |
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paramat |
ppos is player pos |
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Krock |
look through the returned positions and use something like: if vector.length(pos) > 2 and vector.length(pos) < current_shortest then current_shortest = vector.length(pos) ..cache position.. end |
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paramat |
oh i see |
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Krock |
that's how you can find the most close to the player |
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Krock |
downside of this is that C++ does hell many checks to generate this table and you'll go through the whole thing again to get the best position. Ensure that this stuff isn't called like all milisecond |
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paramat |
yeah search through the table and calculate the distance for each, if 2-3 nodes away add to another table, then randomly pick one? |
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IhrFussel |
That sounds very complicated...my task is pretty simple...I'll post a pastebin one sec |
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Krock |
or local result_index_taken = math.ceil(math.random() * #nodes_in_area_positions) and then get that calculated index |
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paramat |
or i guess, pick a random pos, chaeck for a suitable distance, then if air use that |
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paramat |
*check |
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paramat |
and loop that |
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Krock |
the problem is that you want the node in a distance no less than 2. If you remove that from your desired final result, simply get a random index from the returned table |
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Krock |
as a side effect that monstery may directly spawn inside the player |
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Krock |
*monsters |
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IhrFussel |
https://pastebin.com/Lh3VxfLJ |
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Krock |
where did all the indents go? |
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paramat |
you might spawn a mob inside a solid node |
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Krock |
1 moment.. coding... |
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IhrFussel |
So I should probably check what node the pos has and if it's not air I try to + 1 or - 1 and check the node again? |
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paramat |
you should check for air above air or however big a space is needed for the mob |
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Krock |
https://pastebin.com/5hAvXVdU |
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Krock |
untested. I have no clue what this function returns |
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Krock |
^ 'this function' = minetest.find_nodes_in_area_under_air |
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IhrFussel |
Krock, wouldn't that code be pretty heavy? I mean it runs for every players online per second |
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Krock |
yes it is. but I don't see any other way. You could also get all "air" nodes in this area but at the end it will need about the same amount of calculations |
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Krock |
ABMs basically do the same, just on each node instead of each player |
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paramat |
that code would not keep mob spawns at 2-3 nodes away though. you could loop through randomly selected positions and calculate the distance until you get a suitable one |
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Krock |
yes sure. but the speed.. |
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paramat |
yeah, but it was asked that the mob is spawned 2-3 nodes away |
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paramat |
inside the player would not be good :] |
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twoelk |
been there, had a fright, ran away |
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IhrFussel |
Is it "a monster spawned nearby you!" or "a monster spawned near you!" ? Not sure |
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paramat |
near |
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paramat |
trust me i'm english :] |
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IhrFussel |
Haha ok thanks :D |
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rubenwardy |
it's either "spawned nearby" or "spawned near you" |
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rubenwardy |
:) |
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paramat |
yeah, 'a monster spawned nearby' is ok |
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IhrFussel |
Well..which one sounds better? |
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IhrFussel |
Adding "you" is maybe better since the monster will spawn near the player then |
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paramat |
'nearby' implies that it is near the player, and is shorter, i think that sounds better too |
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Krock |
"spawned monster nearby a you" |
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IhrFussel |
Haha xP ok I chose "A monster spawned nearby!" thanks all, gtg now see you later |
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MinetestBot |
[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Enhance ABM performance a little bit by removing two std::set copy (#… 4d5ce84 https://git.io/vH3oU (2017-05-25T14:43:55Z) |
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VanessaE: |
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DS-minetest |
how has the menu music file in <user path>/sounds/ to be called? |
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twoelk |
main_menu.ogg |
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DS-minetest |
thanks :D |
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BBmine |
Oh, when's Minetest 0.4.16 supposed to come out? |
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red-001 |
april 4 |
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red-001 |
june 4 |
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DS-minetest |
!tell BBmine date for minetest 0.4.16 : june 4 |
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MinetestBot |
DS-minetest: yeah, sure, whatever |
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DS-minetest |
hm, can i also add files for ingame music? |
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zyabin101 |
Okay, I added the grass block to composite, and now I have no sign of it in none of v5, v7 and valleys mapgens. :sob: |
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zyabin101 |
I put node definitions in one file per node, along with that node's "purposes in life": aliases for MTG compat, mapgen, et cetera |
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zyabin101 |
Maybe is it because of that? or does mapgen [snowed] dirt [with grass] depend on something? |
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paramat |
zyabin101 did you add your new grass node to the biome registrations? |
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zyabin101 |
I don't have any biomes defined. o_o |
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paramat |
ok see MTGame mods/default/mapgen.lua for examples |
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paramat |
so you're making a subgame i guess |
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zyabin101 |
bang |
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zyabin101 |
correct |
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paramat |
you could copy paste all the biomes, then replace each node with your subgames nodes |
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zyabin101 |
That needs re-licensing my code to LGPL (since copying code from MTG requires following the LGPL license) |
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zyabin101 |
I have MIT :/ |
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paramat |
ok you can register your own biomes by learning from MTG code, more fun to create your own |
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zyabin101 |
:D |
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Grandolf |
hi |
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Grandolf |
why not add a server that its purpose would be to allow players to vote on updates that would be disputed |
| 17:56 |
red-001 |
Grandolf, the glicht that allowed you to climb using sneak got removed while re-working the sneak code to get rid of the damage evasion glicth |
| 17:56 |
red-001 |
then got re-added in two diffrent ways |
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Grandolf |
ic |
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red-001 |
1. A new version that doesn't allow you to avoid damage |
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red-001 |
2. the old code with all the issues it had |
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red-001 |
Grandolf, we do that on the forum |
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zyabin101 |
@Grandolf idea: make a serv that decides on *any* change democratically |
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zyabin101 |
even man-made chunk updates |
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Grandolf |
i suppose it would b a pain |
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red-001 |
see https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17091 |
| 17:59 |
zyabin101 |
"Thanks for helping us support Chaostest! Your edits are only visible to you until they are voted on." |
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red-001 |
zyabin101, lol |
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red-001 |
there is a 100% chance someone will use bots to hijack voting on that sort of server |
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zyabin101 |
@red-001 then do a vote against bots...? |
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* zyabin101 |
is muttering... |
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zyabin101 |
[then bots will hijack the vote so it is in favour of bots...] |
| 18:02 |
zyabin101 |
Mission. Blockin'. Accomplished. |
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zyabin101 |
(no offense) |
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Grandolf |
i meant an ingame server, not an irc |
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paramat |
Grandolf details are here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17397 |
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Grandolf |
yes, looking at it |
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paramat |
heh we don't do democracy here, it would be a disaster |
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Grandolf |
maybe |
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slemonide |
Yeah, we practice anarcho-communism here. |
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twoelk |
devocrazy? |
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Grandolf |
solution seems reasonable enough too |
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* twoelk |
remembers he has to change quite a few drop shafts on several servers/maps to be usefull again :-( |
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paramat |
we have a sort of benign dictatorship :] |
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red-001 |
lol |
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IhrFussel |
ARE YOU ACTUALLY SERIOUS guys?? You plan to DROP Android support? You plan to FORCE ~ 75% of the userbase to switch to 3rd party apps that contain ADS and are mainly OUTDATED? |
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IhrFussel |
Some of them don't even support all features the official build supports...are you crazy?? |
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Krock |
IhrFussel, already replied on this particular issue? I think the player's opinion could be helpful there |
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IhrFussel |
Krock, I planned to...honestly I'm still recovering from the shock moment I just had when I browsed the github issues page |
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paramat |
there's no plan yet, just a suggestion for consideration |
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Calinou |
dude, the Android support sucked back in the day and still sucks today |
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Calinou |
the UI is **unusable** |
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Calinou |
and I mean iut |
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Calinou |
it* |
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Calinou |
the controls stink. |
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paramat |
most android users don't use the official app |
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IhrFussel |
To even CONSIDER it is stupid IMO |
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Calinou |
the server list is impossible to use. |
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Calinou |
I am talking about the official app here |
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swift110 |
hey all |
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Calinou |
Minetest never had mobile in mind |
| 19:29 |
Calinou |
so let's just drop it… |
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swift110 |
lol I tried the android port and it was interestin g |
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paramat |
consideration is never stupid |
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paramat |
it depends on if we can find someone willing to maintain it, we've been waiting a year |
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IhrFussel |
The UI is not unusable...I can play just fine on my phone, all NECESSARY features are there...NOTHING locked behind a f*cking PAYWALL...NOTHING distracted by bs ads |
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nore |
Well I think any developer to help us on the Android port would be very welcome :) |
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IhrFussel |
The Android app evolved GREATLY in the recent years...I installed it back when Minetest was at version 0.4.12 ... and the UI and features improved A LOT since then...many Android bugs were solved |
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paramat |
my suggestion was to choose the best app and call it 'officially recommended', or maybe encourage an app author to create a new app that becomes 'officially recommended', maybe they could essentially fork from current MT |
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IhrFussel |
Okay let's find a 3rd party client app that contains all features, has no ads, no IAP and promises to NEVER change that |
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paramat |
hmm probably doesn't exist at the moment :] |
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IhrFussel |
No because almost all Android devs that clone the game are GREEDY as heck |
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sfan5 |
dropping android support is a bad idea |
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sfan5 |
even if android support sucks it should be kept |
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IhrFussel |
sfan5, why do you keep saying "it sucks" just because there are quite a few bugs that haven't been solved yet or the UI is not super clean? Is the PC UI PERFECT? |
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sfan5 |
the ui is particlarily bad |
| 19:40 |
IhrFussel |
It is usable though...it's not *broken* it WORKS...it may be a bit ugly but it WORKS...without having to pay money, without being forced to watch ads, without fearing IAP you can just enjoy single and multiplayer |
| 19:43 |
Calinou |
<IhrFussel> The UI is not unusable...I can play just fine on my phone, all NECESSARY features are there...NOTHING locked behind a f*cking PAYWALL...NOTHING distracted by bs ads |
| 19:43 |
Calinou |
let me try on my phone, I'll take a screenshot or two |
| 19:43 |
Calinou |
installing the Minetest app from F-Droid right now |
| 19:43 |
Calinou |
I will intentionally use the defaults and not tweak anything |
| 19:44 |
Calinou |
(it's not like I ever figured out how to edit the minetest.conf on Android anyway) |
| 19:44 |
Calinou |
also if you know how to split stacks in the inventory, you could get a Nobel prize |
| 19:45 |
paramat |
anyway, don't worry, it seems likely it will not be dropped, most of the advantages i listed will not happen |
| 19:48 |
Calinou |
okay, my phone is making it near impossible to take screenshots… |
| 19:49 |
Calinou |
Volume down + Power isn't a thing on it, you can only use their "swipe the screen" thing on it which does not work in fullscreen applications |
| 19:49 |
IhrFussel |
Calinou, unusable == broken for me...and it is not broken...moving works, jumping works, sneaking works, fly/fast/noclip/debug menu, chat, inventory, drop item button...it exists ... MANY other clients think they could just REMOVE an essential button like "drop item" cause they are damn GENIUSES |
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| 19:50 |
Calinou |
can you play it efficiently? no |
| 19:50 |
Calinou |
does it look good? no |
| 19:50 |
nerzhul |
Calinou, i'm not on this channel but the link mean i should come |
| 19:50 |
Calinou |
does it run smoothly? lol no, not even the main menu is smooth for me on a S7 edge |
| 19:50 |
nerzhul |
0.4.16 will be on play store |
| 19:50 |
nerzhul |
but if we need to rewrite app, i think we drop the main menu and use android native forms to do the main menu is better, especially on serverlist and crendential storage |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
fun fact: text does not fit in most main menu buttons/windows |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
nerzhul: good idea, but if you look around, most mobile games do not use Android native forms for the main menu itself |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
sometimes for settings, but that's about it |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
nerzhul: PLEASE NBO |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
NO* |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
no non-free things in Minetest, ever |
| 19:51 |
Calinou |
and forks will remove it anyway if you do that |
| 19:52 |
IhrFussel |
That's an issue I filed LONG ago...I suggested to reduce the gui_scaling default value for Android builds which shouldn't be TOO hard |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
proprietary software is never a solution to anything |
| 19:52 |
nerzhul |
as you said before, minetest is a lib on android |
| 19:52 |
nerzhul |
we are free to add GPLv3 + non commercial clauses on java part :p |
| 19:53 |
nerzhul |
it's free, but if you want adds, bye bye, recode it or use a shitty version :p |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
this would likely be illegal |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
even if it's not, it's morally wrong |
| 19:53 |
Calinou |
anyway, I did some singleplayer gameplay on 0.4.15 Android |
| 19:54 |
nerzhul |
minetest is a lib on Android, it's legal to have the licnse you want on the main binary |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
it runs smoothly (enabled smooth lighting and 3D clouds as well) but view distance is very short |
| 19:54 |
paramat |
nothing necessarily wrong with proprietary software and currently the android apps are already hideous and corrupt |
| 19:54 |
nerzhul |
it run smoothly i agree, but menu is WTF MAN you open a strange menu to open android keyboard |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
nerzhul: the GPL does not permit incorporating any GPL-incompatible code, by design |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
paramat: "just because something is commonplace doesn't mean it's right" |
| 19:55 |
paramat |
just because something is proprietary doesn't make it wrong |
| 19:55 |
nerzhul |
LGPL is compatible with GPL |
| 19:55 |
nerzhul |
you can have LGPL lib in GPL code |
| 19:56 |
nerzhul |
example: openoffice code in libreoffice |
| 19:56 |
swift110 |
minetest on android cannot get better without people usn gt |
| 19:56 |
swift110 |
using it |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
anyway, I got some screenshots |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
nerzhul: LibreOffice is MPL now by the way |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/LLHJxeKswF/ruICcZiWcOyMEXZc.png |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/HMTeTpJpzT/q7JxPZJ13LEgYn3i.png |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
note: it will look huge on your screen, zoom out |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
note that the game does not support undersampling (don't even think about automatic undersampling), so it will always render at the phone's initial resolution |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
(it's in Git, but it sucks because it's not filtered) |
| 20:03 |
Fixer |
Calinou: use downsample to something like 800x600 and increase view distance |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
Fixer: not possible in the current state of the app |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
see what I said about undersampling |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
changing the view distance is possible, though |
| 20:04 |
nerzhul |
sorry but for the main menu, how can you play with that... |
| 20:04 |
nerzhul |
it's a desktop menu, not hte best but with hand it's a pain |
| 20:05 |
nerzhul |
and this button, at the bottom right |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
I get what you mean. |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
system GUIs would be better, sure |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
but if you make it proprietary, no way. |
| 20:05 |
IhrFussel |
So since the discussion has been linked in the github issue now should I still write my comment on it? |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
F-Droid would kick your ass, too |
| 20:05 |
Calinou |
for good reason |
| 20:05 |
nerzhul |
i don't said proprietary, i said GPL and non commercial clauses it's not proprietary :p it's libre and fuck the guys who want to get money on our work |
| 20:06 |
nerzhul |
CC NC is libre. you take, no money |
| 20:06 |
red-001 |
LGPL wouldn't have an issue with the java part being under a diffrent licence |
| 20:06 |
red-001 |
LGPL part* |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
CC -NC is not libre, and never was |
| 20:07 |
Calinou |
please review the definition of free culture |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
(also, CC licenses are not software licenses) |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
red-001: we don't have a Classpath exception so it would. |
| 20:08 |
Calinou |
LGPL allows dynamic linking with non-GPL-compatible software; not static linking, unless it has an exception (eg. wxWidgets) |
| 20:10 |
red-001 |
thats not correct |
| 20:10 |
red-001 |
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LGPLStaticVsDynamic |
| 20:10 |
red-001 |
you just need to be able to build a code again and relink it |
| 20:10 |
nerzhul |
Minetest is dynamicly linked on android, failed :p |
| 20:10 |
red-001 |
the code* |
| 20:10 |
Calinou |
it allows static linking if you have a way for the user to modify the LGPL library |
| 20:10 |
Calinou |
which is, in practice, *never* the case |
| 20:10 |
Calinou |
nobody does it, so stop trying |
| 20:11 |
Calinou |
seriously, I have never seen this once in my life |
| 20:11 |
red-001 |
there is always a first time |
| 20:11 |
Calinou |
we're not going to do it here |
| 20:11 |
nerzhul |
i don't know any free software who was stolen by fucking forkers |
| 20:11 |
Calinou |
free software can't be stolen |
| 20:12 |
nerzhul |
especially in games, because MT is the most valuable free software in terms of users on android |
| 20:12 |
Calinou |
copyright theft is a thing, but it's not what you have in mind right now. |
| 20:12 |
Calinou |
forking is also not always a problem |
| 20:12 |
Calinou |
expecting everyone to go with upstream is a myth |
| 20:12 |
Calinou |
it's blindly naive |
| 20:12 |
nerzhul |
if they give us money, no problem, but they don't care, they just want free money lol;, in life you don't have free money, you have money for work you do. |
| 20:13 |
nerzhul |
if someone does money on your work and you don't have any of it it's not work it's steal. |
| 20:13 |
Calinou |
plenty of people actually do have free money |
| 20:13 |
Calinou |
no, that's not theft in my book |
| 20:13 |
Calinou |
theft is when you lose property of something |
| 20:13 |
Calinou |
by definition, it basically can't happen on digital things |
| 20:14 |
nerzhul |
i have childs and me which needs to eat |
| 20:14 |
nerzhul |
and somes are doing money and eat on our work. It's not acceptable |
| 20:14 |
nerzhul |
i agree for working on free software if everybody is clear, not for thiefs. |
| 20:15 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: than MT needs to be relicensed |
| 20:15 |
Fixer |
to shave off the fuckers |
| 20:15 |
nerzhul |
if they fork and add adds to our software they violate our license |
| 20:15 |
nerzhul |
like if we add GPL java part on the LGPL |
| 20:15 |
nerzhul |
but they are worse |
| 20:15 |
Calinou |
being poor does not automatically mean dying of hunger, too |
| 20:15 |
nerzhul |
lol |
| 20:15 |
Calinou |
also, a Minetest relicense is never going to happen |
| 20:15 |
nerzhul |
sorry Calinou but you have many money and no problem. |
| 20:15 |
Calinou |
except LGPL -> GPL because we don't need to ask anyone to do that |
| 20:15 |
Calinou |
or LGPLv2+ -> LGPLv3+ |
| 20:16 |
Fixer |
Die big! (George Carlin) |
| 20:16 |
nerzhul |
i have childs, i have the chance to buy my apartment but if i don't pay at the end of the month i'm in the street. |
| 20:16 |
IhrFussel |
Ok well since you didn't reply to me here I added a comment on the issue anyway |
| 20:16 |
nerzhul |
and somes are driving porsche and mazerati on our work. it's not acceptable. |
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| 20:17 |
nerzhul |
if we find a way to protect our userbase and keep them using our software and force forkers to close their doors it's acceptable. |
| 20:17 |
Calinou |
I don't think these developers have such cars just yet :P |
| 20:18 |
paramat |
no need to change desktop MT license, but i'm not bothered by relicensing the android app |
| 20:18 |
Calinou |
paramat: it's not legal to do so anyway |
| 20:18 |
nerzhul |
lol multicraft earn 100k $ on our work, but no it's not sufficient for a porshe |
| 20:18 |
Calinou |
the Minetest Android app still uses the Minetest engine and game logic, both being under LGPLv2.1+ |
| 20:18 |
paramat |
ok |
| 20:18 |
nerzhul |
100k$ mean having 1 or 2 devs at full time on the project. |
| 20:18 |
Calinou |
anyone with significant code in it can DMCA you down |
| 20:18 |
Calinou |
and you will deserve it, don't worry |
| 20:19 |
Calinou |
I'd do it if I had lots of code in Minetest, don't worry |
| 20:19 |
paramat |
multicraft should donate to MT |
| 20:19 |
nerzhul |
Calinou, answer me, for in app purchases which modify our LGPL code to add proprietary android code, and ads, i can nuke them ? |
| 20:19 |
Fixer |
why would he? |
| 20:19 |
nerzhul |
why would he? there is no law to protect us against this thief |
| 20:20 |
Calinou |
you can DMCA these apps for relying on proprietary SDKs |
| 20:20 |
twoelk |
making mt strictly nc would exclude many distributation paths, as for example being included on a disk glued to a magazine |
| 20:20 |
Calinou |
I don't know why you're not doing this |
| 20:20 |
nerzhul |
in app purchase means modify our code and like MT with android proprietary google libs for in app purchases |
| 20:20 |
Calinou |
twoelk: that's not really relevant these days… |
| 20:20 |
nerzhul |
if i can and celeron55 supports me on it i send a mail in the week to google to nuke all of them. |
| 20:20 |
Calinou |
but my concerns with NC clauses are not about that |
| 20:21 |
Calinou |
these clauses are far too broad and uncertain |
| 20:23 |
celeron55 |
the multicraft author/maintainer (i always forget his nick) has offered to monetarily help minetest if there's something to use money for |
| 20:23 |
twoelk |
there may be better examples for strict NC not being the best idea but you might get the idea ;-D |
| 20:24 |
nerzhul |
celeron55, it's different between having money ourself for all time we spent on project and just giving some breads |
| 20:25 |
twoelk |
depends on size of bread |
| 20:25 |
nerzhul |
if he got money to have a maintainer at 25, 50 or 100% on the project it's different... |
| 20:25 |
celeron55 |
envy doesn't get you very far |
| 20:26 |
nerzhul |
if it send us money to pay the servers to host various infrastructure points like forum, wikis, serverlist |
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| 20:26 |
Fixer |
haha, good luck |
| 20:26 |
paramat |
Monte48 or something |
| 20:26 |
Fixer |
he will say everything he does and legal according to licence celeron choiced |
| 20:26 |
Fixer |
and = is |
| 20:27 |
celeron55 |
but if you can point to, for example a good graphics artist that we could hire, monte48 might pay for it |
| 20:27 |
Fixer |
he is just using the project for easy money, mostly, he did made few suggestion to improve android part |
| 20:27 |
celeron55 |
well i guess i could ask money for the forums and stuff |
| 20:28 |
Fixer |
"donate" |
| 20:28 |
nerzhul |
it's different to tell us suggestions and give money to do things on the project |
| 20:28 |
twoelk |
nothing wrong with making easy money |
| 20:28 |
paramat |
and i have no income and my money will soon run out :] |
| 20:28 |
Fixer |
i'm in no way connected to this all, just discussing |
| 20:28 |
nerzhul |
yeah, i think i will prostitute tomorrow, it's easy money... |
| 20:28 |
nerzhul |
it's like doing PR and letting others making money on our head |
| 20:28 |
Fixer |
yep |
| 20:29 |
Fixer |
hovewer, celeron selected the license :p |
| 20:29 |
Fixer |
thats what we ended up with |
| 20:30 |
nerzhul |
yes he selected it, no problem, the problem is we are fucked up by cowards |
| 20:30 |
twoelk |
maybe we are just to stupid to make good use of money offered |
| 20:30 |
celeron55 |
i would've chosen BSD if i knew more about licenses back then |
| 20:30 |
nerzhul |
celeron55, i'm okay for an artist after the minetest_game mir vs wayland war is finished :p |
| 20:30 |
celeron55 |
and it would be even worse in this aspect |
| 20:30 |
Fixer |
twoelk: yeah, why develope, if you can use some other people OSS hard work and have money of it contributing little to original project and even hurting it because cancerous ads and other negativity |
| 20:30 |
Calinou |
yeah, basically any gamedev would rather have used a permissive license if they started it today |
| 20:31 |
nerzhul |
celeron55, then microsoft never buy minecraft and take minetest lol (never because they need the user base) |
| 20:31 |
Calinou |
Carmack himself stated "I wish I had used BSD instead" in 2013-12 |
| 20:31 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: mir is dead |
| 20:31 |
nerzhul |
it's easy for Carmack to tell, if i used BSD... i never ate because other company steal my work in 1995 because it was internet and software war |
| 20:31 |
nerzhul |
Fixer, yeah, :p |
| 20:31 |
celeron55 |
but shitty chineses clones and others making money off your work is what you get with permissive licensing; it just is how it is |
| 20:32 |
nerzhul |
but then, celeron55 do you agree i send DCMA to nuke forks adds ? |
| 20:32 |
nerzhul |
with ads* |
| 20:32 |
celeron55 |
we can always ask for money though; asking is not stupid |
| 20:32 |
celeron55 |
altough what "we" means is really questionable, there's no "minetest" legal entity |
| 20:32 |
celeron55 |
and i hate bureaucracy so i won't make it |
| 20:32 |
nerzhul |
minetest foundation |
| 20:33 |
nerzhul |
(better name is required :p) |
| 20:33 |
nerzhul |
TheBlockFoundation |
| 20:33 |
nerzhul |
:D |
| 20:33 |
Fixer |
i've seen people saying fuck this game and rage quitting, guess why - ads/privs for money etc |
| 20:33 |
nerzhul |
Fixer, and it's a side case, they said fuck to minetest |
| 20:33 |
nerzhul |
not only the app |
| 20:33 |
nerzhul |
monte48 should give us money, i will use it to promote minetest on playstore and send DCMA on ad forks :p |
| 20:33 |
celeron55 |
nerzhul: i'm fine with any DMCAs that are correct |
| 20:34 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: nah, they don't know what is minetest or what even the name of current game they are playing, typing /gamemode... |
| 20:34 |
nerzhul |
celeron55, DCMA on ads mean DCMA on proprietary modifications on our code to ad ads. |
| 20:34 |
nerzhul |
add* ads* |
| 20:34 |
nerzhul |
if you are okay with that i will start the war |
| 20:35 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: go trademark - nonprofit foundation - steam - sales - nuke other fuckers on android :trollface: |
| 20:35 |
paramat |
hiring a professional graphic artist, or hiring anyone for anything, is not a good idea, it would be extremely expensive to get something of roughly the same quality as a talented contributor would do for free |
| 20:35 |
Fixer |
nobody will do that though |
| 20:35 |
celeron55 |
if the only way to show ads is C++ modifications (seems likely), of course DMCAs can be sent to those that don't provide source code |
| 20:35 |
nerzhul |
KasBrick did a great work on textures, he does like... i can't remember name does |
| 20:35 |
nerzhul |
go to appletree |
| 20:36 |
nerzhul |
see the texture, it's proper, it's an identity, better than the raw and old mt :) |
| 20:36 |
Fixer |
CDDA had successful kickstarter to have full time dev for few months to fix some things iirc |
| 20:36 |
nerzhul |
celeron55, they can't and they link proprietary libs on minetest, which is forbidden by LGPL |
| 20:37 |
rubenwardy |
the most important thing to me is that they follow prominent notice |
| 20:37 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: why don't contact FSF to have some legal assistance? |
| 20:37 |
Fixer |
if someone wants* |
| 20:37 |
rubenwardy |
all apps which use Minetest as a library, ie: all those with ads, must give prominent notice that they use Minetest |
| 20:37 |
rubenwardy |
so on the play store, and in the main menu |
| 20:38 |
rubenwardy |
although only the latter I'm sure about |
| 20:38 |
nerzhul |
yes they need that, but linking proprietary libs is forbidden too. |
| 20:38 |
rubenwardy |
it's vague about download locations, but I interpretted that as implied |
| 20:38 |
nerzhul |
to show ads you should tell minetest to send ads rendering to irrlicht if i remember |
| 20:38 |
rubenwardy |
they'd need to use Minetest as a library, from proprietary code |
| 20:38 |
rubenwardy |
and allow Minetest to be relinked with said proprietary code |
| 20:39 |
celeron55 |
yeah, and as such a version of MT doesn't exist anywhere publicly, they have their own version |
| 20:40 |
celeron55 |
even in the case of if they were crazy enough to modify MT to be a library (unlikely) |
| 20:40 |
nerzhul |
celeron55, mt is a lib on android |
| 20:40 |
rubenwardy |
as long as they share relevant modified code to end users, and have prominent notice / credit, I'm fine with it |
| 20:40 |
celeron55 |
nerzhul: well, i mean functionally a library regarding to ads |
| 20:40 |
rubenwardy |
they'd n |
| 20:40 |
rubenwardy |
oops |
| 20:40 |
nerzhul |
i asked on twitter https://twitter.com/nrzkt/status/867842704343838721 we will see |
| 20:40 |
rubenwardy |
I'd say that NDK classifies as a library |
| 20:41 |
rubenwardy |
as the C++ code is made into an .so (I believe) and dynamically linked. But I |
| 20:41 |
rubenwardy |
*But I'm unsure on this (been a while) |
| 20:41 |
nerzhul |
it's dynamicly linked yes |
| 20:42 |
celeron55 |
yes; then you could display ads if you give them to MT from the actual program that uses MT; i.e. link the program with the ad library, not minetest itself |
| 20:42 |
celeron55 |
i wonder if they are doing that |
| 20:42 |
rubenwardy |
exactamo |
| 20:42 |
celeron55 |
then they need to publish the version of MT that you can feed ads into |
| 20:42 |
celeron55 |
the source code of it |
| 20:42 |
rubenwardy |
I imagine the majority just reuse our Java code, which is LGPL |
| 20:42 |
rubenwardy |
but I know that Multicraft rewrote the Java part |
| 20:44 |
celeron55 |
"still a better overall ecosystem than microsoft's minecraft" - a new slogan for minetest |
| 20:44 |
celeron55 |
:D |
| 20:44 |
nerzhul |
you want free money, choose minetest... |
| 20:45 |
rubenwardy |
btw, I wrote this: http://wiki.minetest.net/Licensing#Complying_with_the_License |
| 20:45 |
nerzhul |
celeron55, i'm okay with BSD and LGPL when it's library, but a game needs to be protected, sharks are doing money on our head |
| 20:45 |
Krock |
"great quality for the price compared to minecraft" |
| 20:45 |
rubenwardy |
used the raw license text, and ffmpeg's compliance checklist |
| 20:46 |
nerzhul |
rubenwardy, if you modify the code it should be distributed under the same license or compatible |
| 20:46 |
rubenwardy |
I know, that's there |
| 20:46 |
rubenwardy |
"must also be licensed under LGPL 2.1 or later, or a compatible license" |
| 20:47 |
nerzhul |
y |
| 20:47 |
rubenwardy |
also, > 10.5k tweets |
| 20:47 |
rubenwardy |
impressive |
| 20:48 |
nerzhul |
? |
| 20:48 |
nerzhul |
oh it's generally re-tweets |
| 20:49 |
rubenwardy |
ah, I didn't scroll that far |
| 20:54 |
celeron55 |
it would be nice of MT was dual-licensed (so that people could just pay and be done with it), but it's impossible in a licensing scheme like this where ownership of code is transferred to nobody |
| 20:54 |
nerzhul |
not nobody, but every body who contribute |
| 20:54 |
celeron55 |
MT would be GPL + proprietary licensed, but it was kind of impossible to get contributors on that scheme so i dropped it |
| 20:55 |
nerzhul |
GPLv3 is sufficient to break all others |
| 20:55 |
nerzhul |
they MUST be GPLv3 |
| 20:55 |
AlexYst |
Yeah, I see what you mean. |
| 20:55 |
AlexYst |
I hate to be one of *those* people, but I wouldn't contribute if there were licence exceptions. |
| 20:56 |
Fixer |
wtf with firefox lately, it consumes tons of memory, gigabytes... wtf |
| 20:56 |
celeron55 |
due to that i'm kind of fine with all this anarchy, as to me it is what people wanted |
| 20:57 |
AlexYst |
I like that slogan about the better overall ecosystem. |
| 20:57 |
celeron55 |
i guess it's the other side of the copyright industry coin |
| 20:57 |
nerzhul |
if world was not a shark world i would be fine, but it's not the case we all have lives and a work permitting us to eat and works means retribution. |
| 20:57 |
celeron55 |
most people only see the other side |
| 20:57 |
AlexYst |
I'm not feeling the one about the quality for the price. It makes it sound like price aside, Minetest sucks. It doesn't. |
| 20:57 |
nerzhul |
if they don't retribute nuke |
| 20:58 |
nerzhul |
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=free.voxelcraft.pocketedition |
| 20:59 |
nerzhul |
it's based on minetest and open source they said |
| 20:59 |
nerzhul |
we should comment on those app to tell it's shit and redirect to the real app :p |
| 21:00 |
nerzhul |
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.bestsandapp.blockworld |
| 21:00 |
nerzhul |
ads |
| 21:01 |
nerzhul |
no minetest reference |
| 21:01 |
Hijiri |
Calinou: nerzhul what about a clause requiring conspicuous attribution in app marketplace descriptions for the android app |
| 21:01 |
Hijiri |
require a specific phrase like "Derived from the official Minetest app <link>" |
| 21:01 |
nerzhul |
500k downloads, how many money on our head ! |
| 21:04 |
nerzhul |
100k downloads on minetest |
| 21:04 |
Calinou |
Hijiri: requiring attribution won't fix it |
| 21:04 |
Calinou |
and requiring attribution in software works is evil |
| 21:04 |
Calinou |
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/bsd.html |
| 21:04 |
fwhcat |
Hi guys |
| 21:04 |
Calinou |
this article talks about the original BSD license (rarely used today), its main downside is that it required attribution |
| 21:04 |
Calinou |
both GPL-incompatible and cumbersome |
| 21:05 |
fwhcat |
hummm you can't do anything about these apps unless you change the license. |
| 21:05 |
nerzhul |
the install uninstall grpah is interesting on MT, 12.6k install and 13.6k uninstall lol |
| 21:05 |
nerzhul |
6840 real installs for MT |
| 21:05 |
nerzhul |
currently |
| 21:06 |
fwhcat |
What about you add a more visible donate button on the website instead ? |
| 21:06 |
Calinou |
fwhcat: technically we can – anyone with significant code in Minetest or Minetest Game can DMCA the apps because they do not follow the LGPLv2.1 |
| 21:06 |
Calinou |
why? because they all rely on proprietary SDKs for ads |
| 21:06 |
Calinou |
we have proof of this, it's easy to get |
| 21:06 |
Calinou |
fwhcat: donate buttons work only if you beg all the time, I've found |
| 21:06 |
nerzhul |
strangely from march to may we incrase from 5k to 6k persistent installations |
| 21:06 |
Calinou |
(and market it well) |
| 21:06 |
Calinou |
this will also not make rogue apps disappear magically |
| 21:07 |
Hijiri |
how much is significant code? |
| 21:07 |
fwhcat |
Ok, what about the community actually maintain 2 versions of minetest |
| 21:07 |
nerzhul |
there is no need for two versions |
| 21:07 |
nerzhul |
engine have both versions inside it |
| 21:07 |
Calinou |
makes no sense, yeah |
| 21:07 |
Calinou |
Hijiri: it depends on how complex the actual code is |
| 21:07 |
nerzhul |
it's already the case and it's also the problem |
| 21:07 |
Calinou |
"is it original?" is the main question |
| 21:07 |
fwhcat |
What I mean you could propose advanced features or limit features of the free version |
| 21:08 |
mmuller |
FWIW, I don't think the LGLP explicitly precludes linking with proprietary libs. |
| 21:08 |
Calinou |
you can't just say "49 lines of code are not copyrightable, 50 lines are" |
| 21:08 |
mmuller |
(in fact, I think the intent was originally to the contrary) |
| 21:08 |
Calinou |
mmuller: dynamic linking is allowed, static linking is not |
| 21:08 |
Calinou |
from what I've seen |
| 21:08 |
Calinou |
if you want to be sure, send an email to licensing fsf.org, their volunteers might help |
| 21:08 |
Calinou |
(it can take a while to get a reply, but I've got one, once) |
| 21:08 |
Calinou |
(not Minetest-related though) |
| 21:08 |
mmuller |
right. that's what I was about to suggest :-) |
| 21:09 |
fwhcat |
Calinou, can you dynamic link minetest engine ? |
| 21:09 |
Calinou |
I don't think so |
| 21:09 |
fwhcat |
xD |
| 21:09 |
mmuller |
but IIRC, static linking was a bit of a gray area |
| 21:09 |
Calinou |
the problem here is that the ad SDKs themselves are statically linked, probably |
| 21:09 |
Hijiri |
Doesn |
| 21:09 |
Calinou |
on iOS the question isn't even to be asked: dynamic linking is not a thing on iOS |
| 21:09 |
Hijiri |
sorry, nevermind |
| 21:10 |
Calinou |
mmuller: it's allowed in two cases: 1) the user is allowed technically to replace the library themselves, 2) there is an exception in the LGPL added by the copyright owner to explicitly allow it (eg. wxWidgets) |
| 21:10 |
Calinou |
1) never happens in practice, really |
| 21:10 |
fwhcat |
but you know, even if you'd gplv3 the app, sharks would still be sharks. |
| 21:11 |
Calinou |
yes, it woud be as restrictive as you want, these people are not going to care about it |
| 21:11 |
Calinou |
(no racism intended) |
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| 21:11 |
VanessaE |
I need testers on VE-Survival -- daconcepts.com 30001 |
| 21:12 |
fwhcat |
so the only thing is to make legal inquiries (ask for removal from google apps portal etc.) ?! is this even possible ? |
| 21:12 |
fwhcat |
k VanessaE |
| 21:12 |
fwhcat |
latest client needed or not? |
| 21:12 |
VanessaE |
nah, just something reasonably recent. connect with as many clients as your machine can safely handle, |
| 21:12 |
VanessaE |
but no spamming please :P |
| 21:13 |
Calinou |
fwhcat: DMCA is possible, it has been done in the past |
| 21:13 |
Calinou |
but c55 does not want to do it anymore, he thinks it's too much paperwork and ultimately a waste of time as they always come back |
| 21:13 |
Calinou |
Google and Apple don't give fucks about copyright infringement on their own platforms |
| 21:13 |
nerzhul |
there is no paperwork |
| 21:13 |
Calinou |
this is true not just for their app stores. but YouTube, for example, is also an heaven for t hat |
| 21:13 |
Calinou |
that* |
| 21:13 |
Calinou |
nerzhul: well, digital paper ;) |
| 21:14 |
nerzhul |
i just go to report app, DCMA copy paste the same pattern because it's always the same thing to say, i add my mail, terminated |
| 21:14 |
AlexYst |
VanessaE: daconcepts.com. ... Did you get a new domain, or do I just misremember? |
| 21:14 |
* AlexYst |
opens a client |
| 21:14 |
VanessaE |
AlexYst: new domain, the old one has since expired. |
| 21:14 |
VanessaE |
shorter is better. |
| 21:14 |
AlexYst |
Oh, sorry to hear that. |
| 21:14 |
VanessaE |
nah |
| 21:14 |
VanessaE |
the old one was too long |
| 21:14 |
AlexYst |
SHorter is better though, yeah. |
| 21:14 |
VanessaE |
I let it go |
| 21:15 |
AlexYst |
Oh, okay, as long as it was a choice. |
| 21:15 |
fwhcat |
why not vanes.sa ? xD |
| 21:15 |
nerzhul |
https://play.google.com/intl/fr_ALL/about/ip-deception-spam/impersonation-ip/unauthorized-copyright/ |
| 21:15 |
VanessaE |
fwhcat: because the name actually refers to a software group and hardware company I used to run |
| 21:15 |
VanessaE |
kept the name for posterity sake |
| 21:16 |
AlexYst |
VanessaE: Also, doesn't your partner have a section of the site too? vanes.sa wouldn't represent the pair of you. |
| 21:17 |
nerzhul |
https://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/20w54q/google_play_store_dmca_takedown_for_gpl_violation/ |
| 21:18 |
nerzhul |
interesting too |
| 21:18 |
VanessaE |
AlexYst: that too, but so few people visit his side of the site that I tend not to think about it |
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| 21:18 |
Grandolf |
hi |
| 21:18 |
Grandolf |
i was useing WE in a private server, and its glitching i think |
| 21:18 |
Grandolf |
it keeps placing chunks and i keep removing them |
| 21:19 |
Grandolf |
how do i stop it? |
| 21:20 |
fwhcat |
restart the server if you can |
| 21:20 |
AlexYst |
Grandolf: Like ... generating new areas as you reach the edges? How are you removing them? |
| 21:21 |
AlexYst |
It's going to take a while to connect. My home Internet connection is basically a 2G mobile data plan. |
| 21:22 |
Grandolf |
im useing //cylinder y 50 90 air |
| 21:23 |
Grandolf |
ik //remove regenerates the landscape |
| 21:23 |
Grandolf |
hm |
| 21:23 |
Grandolf |
clearobjects* |
| 21:23 |
Grandolf |
or one of them :/ |
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AlexYst |
Ah, worldedit. I can't help then, I don't know how that mod works. |
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fwhcat |
Grandolf I don't understand your problem |
| 21:35 |
fwhcat |
Worldedit only works by commands it doesn't do anything without your command. |
| 21:36 |
fwhcat |
And nope, I don't see any way to regenerate the landscape without saving its state at first. |
| 21:55 |
AlexYst |
My machine's overheating. Had to log off. |
| 21:58 |
Calinou |
VanessaE: how many clones do you want? |
| 21:59 |
Calinou |
I could script this perhaps |
| 21:59 |
VanessaE |
no need now, Calinou |
| 21:59 |
VanessaE |
testing is already done |
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Calinou |
ok |
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Lone_Wolf |
I need help figuring this out xD |
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Lone_Wolf |
Bye |
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