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whitephoenix |
Where is the formspec for the default player inventory stored? I'd like to modify it to have a 2x2 grid instead. |
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kaeza |
whitephoenix, default/init.lua, near the top |
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whitephoenix |
Oh thanks, I don't have default in my subgame so I was thinking it was in the engine source somewhere |
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kaeza |
well, you could override it in an on_joinplayer callback |
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Sokomine |
hm. client-side mods....i thought they might be good for things like i.e. carts or other things which would be too slow server-side |
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VanessaE |
nope. |
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LazyJ |
Client-side mods - if the client computer is too old and slow or underpowered (small devices), and the client-side mods make playing even more sluggish for the player, then that could convince the player that Minetest is too laggy and not worth playing. Word of mouth can still influence, even negatively. |
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LazyJ |
That's one of the concerns that have been on my mind in regard to CSM. |
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OldCoder |
<OldCoder> http://bower.minetest.org/ |
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OldCoder |
<OldCoder> Announcing an alternate link for CoRNeRNoTe Bower |
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ensonic |
hi, can anyone recommend a nice mod to take as a template for doing own animals? I'd like to do that with my kids. I've been looking at the animal_modpack, but that brings a lot of own code and I don't know how they converted the blender files to the b3d files (and what kind of format that actually is) |
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BBmine |
Hello |
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BBmine |
I just saw that my account has been banned from the forums for a month. |
| 11:36 |
Krock |
not too many shitposts, so this can't be the reason |
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BBmine |
It said "Repeated shitposting" |
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BBmine |
It would've been nice if I had been given a warning.... |
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Krock |
oh well, looks like someone had a lower threshold to kick shitposters off |
| 11:38 |
Krock |
perhaps you were already warned a while ago? |
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BBmine |
Nope. I was never warned. |
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sfan5 |
BBmine: if you had any kid of self-reflection about your behaviour you would have known way earlier |
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sfan5 |
kind* |
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BBmine |
I saw that I topic I made in General Discussion about what videos I should make next was deleted. |
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sfan5 |
indeed it does not belong there |
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BBmine |
But where does it belong? Offtopic? |
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Krock |
yes |
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Krock |
or "Minetest-related projects" if it's a longer project |
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BBmine |
I guess it was the random posts of me griefing someone? |
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* stormchaser3000 |
installed a new motherbaord into his computer and is hoping he didn't mess up when connecting a cable |
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stormchaser3000 |
it seems to be working fine |
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stormchaser3000 |
but i don't want it to burst into flames |
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stormchaser3000 |
XD |
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Krock |
stormchaser3000, overlock the CPU now! |
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stormchaser3000 |
XD |
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muhdnurhidayat |
if I uses blocks/items as craft recipe AND sounds from default in my mod, should I put default as mandatory dependency or optional, or I don't need to put them? |
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sfan5 |
muhdnurhidayat: technically you don't need to but it's a good idea to put it as a mandatory dependency |
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muhdnurhidayat |
oh, ok thanks. :D |
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DI3HARD139 |
Quick question. Is there a quick way to obtain the server name from the minetest.conf file? |
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DI3HARD139 |
In any way similar to minetest.get_server_status anyway? |
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DI3HARD139 |
nvm just remembered a way |
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ensonic |
hi, can anyone recommend a nice mod to take as a template for doing own animals? I'd like to do that with my kids. I've been looking at the animal_modpack, but that brings a lot of own code and I don't know how they converted the blender files to the b3d files (and what kind of format that actually is) |
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sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/B3DExport |
| 15:51 |
fireglow |
the more I play with new sneak, the more I want the old behaviour back :s |
| 15:56 |
sfan5 |
what parts of the old behaviour |
| 15:57 |
fireglow |
mm just now I was edging on a block with sneak and tried to jump to the next one. Someone built a jump and run kind of game where this is required to complete the course |
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sfan5 |
thats a first |
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sfan5 |
(other people usually complain about two other changes) |
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sfan5 |
i agree that its unfortunate but i haven't looking at solving it yet |
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agaran |
well for now there is simple solution, compile last version of client before sneak removal merge and live happilly and prosper.. |
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agaran |
at least this is solution that works for me |
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sfan5 |
which parts of the sneak changes do you dislike agaran? |
| 16:01 |
agaran |
well I -used- to use 1k nodes tall sneak ladders in mining, used to climb over edges of machinery to build next levels, and used to ability to crawl on narrow places on walls making invisble paths if back wall was obsidian brick and added were slabs of obsidian glass |
| 16:02 |
sfan5 |
sneak ladders might just come back |
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agaran |
and loosing all that is quite enough to not bother with updating, I play MT to have fun.. and for me, all, introduction of change and how widelly it gets protested is not a good sign.. maybe I am too old to like changes, might be.. |
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Milan[m] |
i know alot of people who would heavily miss sneak ladders as well... |
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Fixer |
Milan[m]: if you discard kids, yes, sfan5 may have a solution to add them back |
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Milan[m] |
what do you mean with 'discard kids'? |
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Fixer |
Milan[m]: kids are on crippled mobile, they can't use sneakladders that easily |
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Fixer |
thats more like #PCmasterrace problem |
| 16:22 |
Milan[m] |
well...2 of 3 servers i run are not that mobile friendly anyway hihi... maybe it should be configurable and opt-in. |
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ronsor |
/r/PCMasterRace |
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Ronsor |
well i compiled minetest |
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fireglow |
yay |
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agaran |
I compiled minetest, dug dirt, build cobble hut ? |
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fireglow |
yay |
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Krock |
build as many cobble buildings as possible! |
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Fixer |
as ugly as possible |
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sfan5 |
then you'd need to use dirt |
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Fixer |
not long ago, while i was roaming different servers I've discovered newly build "house" that had deep 2011 style, it is like I went back 6 years ago... guess the materials |
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agaran |
heh.. I had idea to make dirt nonusefull for build.. |
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kaeza |
greetings |
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Fixer |
kaeza: |
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kaeza |
Fixer, |
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Ronsor |
yay |
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Ronsor |
i've my first patch for client mods |
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Ronsor |
minetest.send_chat_message(message) -- acts just like message was typed in the terminal/chat box |
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ensonic |
sfan5, thanks |
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Ronsor |
if anybody is interested, i'll submit a pull request |
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sfan5 |
sounds useful, please do |
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Ronsor |
ok |
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Ronsor |
i will |
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Ronsor |
hey https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5452 |
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Krock |
hey https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5452#discussion_r108040767 |
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kaeza |
HEY! LISTEN! |
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kaeza |
o/ Krock |
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Krock |
o/ kaeza |
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LazyJ |
What is the purpose of sending fake messages with Ronsor's mod? |
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sfan5 |
inform the user of something |
| 17:27 |
LazyJ |
And is this seen in the other players' chat? |
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sfan5 |
wait hm |
| 17:28 |
LazyJ |
My concern is it being used to spam the chat. |
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Krock |
o/ est31 |
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kaeza |
LazyJ, there's server-side flood control available |
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kaeza |
which I think would be triggered |
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LazyJ |
kaeza, where? I'd like to read-up on it. |
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sfan5 |
chat spamming is also possible without it |
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sfan5 |
this can help automating things |
| 17:30 |
Krock |
copy a whole text file and paste it - spam on the same level |
| 17:30 |
LazyJ |
Yes, automate admin commands is good but given how bad chat spam is, the hazard is too much. |
| 17:30 |
sfan5 |
nah |
| 17:31 |
LazyJ |
And just because something bad is already possible does not justify making it worse. |
| 17:31 |
sfan5 |
most people who spam the chat are random kids |
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sfan5 |
which don't know how to install client mods |
| 17:31 |
sfan5 |
and are on android anyway |
| 17:32 |
LazyJ |
Looks like I'll be banning more players in the future. |
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kaeza |
LazyJ, uh, I guess it was not merged yet |
| 17:33 |
LazyJ |
Great. :/ |
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kaeza |
or at least it's not documented in .example |
| 17:34 |
kaeza |
LazyJ, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/settingtypes.txt#L788 |
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LazyJ |
Thanks kaeza. |
| 17:35 |
LazyJ |
Already see a loop-hole. |
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sfan5 |
nothing is perfect |
| 17:35 |
LazyJ |
The chat can be spammed by a single character. |
| 17:36 |
kaeza |
no, because of the other settings |
| 17:36 |
LazyJ |
If a non-coder like me can figure this out so easily and quickly, more code-savvy trolls will do worse. |
| 17:37 |
VanessaE |
how exactly do I enable the profiler? |
| 17:37 |
LazyJ |
The 10-second time-out? No good. |
| 17:37 |
LazyJ |
Create a CSM to intermittently spam chat and a bot to relogin after being kicked. |
| 17:37 |
Krock |
VanessaE, do you mean "instrument.profiler"? |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
Krock: yeah, whatever it is people are calling the mod profiler |
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fireglow |
LazyJ: so? |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
(and, why is this not documented?) |
| 17:38 |
fireglow |
no system is 100% effective in removing spam |
| 17:38 |
LazyJ |
Chat spam is annoying fireglow. |
| 17:38 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, it is in settingtypes.txt |
| 17:38 |
kaeza |
but for some reason not in .conf |
| 17:38 |
fireglow |
LazyJ: so propose a system that deals with it |
| 17:38 |
Krock |
oh, apparently it's "profiler.load" |
| 17:38 |
agaran |
fireglow: well if you turn off internets, you have no spam ;) |
| 17:38 |
fireglow |
agaran ;) |
| 17:39 |
Krock |
instrument.profiler only profiles the profiler itself |
| 17:39 |
kaeza |
VanessaE, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/settingtypes.txt#L1216 |
| 17:39 |
LazyJ |
fireglow, I did not create this problem and I did not give trolls the tools to make it worse. The ball goes back to the devs. |
| 17:39 |
fireglow |
writing a minetest client is not that hard, it's been done in perl, hah |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
thanks, kaeza |
| 17:40 |
kaeza |
yqw |
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fireglow |
if alice wants to spam your server, LazyJ, alice will find a way |
| 17:41 |
kaeza |
I guess people don't run https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/mainmenu/generate_from_settingtypes.lua too often |
| 17:42 |
Krock |
what? this file even exists? :3 |
| 17:43 |
sfan5 |
it's a just a decoration |
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kaeza |
it used to be worse |
| 17:45 |
kaeza |
it was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "beware of the leopard" |
| 17:45 |
kaeza |
a.k.a. somewhere at the bottom of some file :) |
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red-002 |
I have a feeling #5452 will generate a lot of "entertaining" forum discussions |
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MinetestBot |
[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Add clang format & skip build if no source file modified (#5433) 22567d1 https://git.io/vSIkn (2017-03-25T18:12:18Z) |
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red-002 |
Ronsor, adding a way to break blocks is probably not a good idea |
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red-002 |
it's unlikely to be merged |
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Krock |
hehe kaeza, unbelieveable that you've found that file in such a place |
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GNU[BDC] |
how to make mt server use more cores? |
| 18:52 |
Krock |
doubt that's possible |
| 18:53 |
Krock |
at least the mapgen can be spread on multiple threads |
| 18:53 |
Krock |
# num_emerge_threads = 1 |
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Out`Of`Control |
Krock: when i use WE to tweak, mt uses only 1 core. |
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agaran |
because lua works as single tread thus one core |
| 18:54 |
agaran |
and I doubt you will see multi-threaded lua anytime soon in MT.. it is very complex to get working multithreaded interpreters.. |
| 18:54 |
Krock |
but parallel running threads could be executed on a different core IIRC |
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Out`Of`Control |
but mods and so all run on one core |
| 18:55 |
Krock |
exactly. that's why Lua mapgens will never be faster than C++ ones (with the same functionality) |
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Out`Of`Control |
need to sell other 3 cores lol |
| 18:56 |
Krock |
i7 out, adapter and P 1 in |
| 18:57 |
Krock |
a trophy to the one who manages to do such a hardware hack |
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Out`Of`Control |
or i have to run 2x WE each on its own core haha |
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sofar |
the cost of multithreading would be more locks |
| 19:00 |
sofar |
and locks would slow down lots of simple operations |
| 19:01 |
sofar |
without profiling data, it's not possible to even determine what could be made parallel |
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agaran |
sofar: I thought once about making just map save/load/management thread as separate, but I didn't even tried to estabilish how much changes it might cause, just used some part of ceph inner architecture as an reference idea |
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sofar |
you really need to profile the server separately without any locally connected clients |
| 19:05 |
sofar |
so, you can't even profile the server if you have only 1 machine |
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agaran |
well I do have >1 so.. |
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Sokomine |
i still wonder if all the copying of data between core and lua when using lua mapgens isn't one of the major factors of slowdown. at least it seemed to be so in my tests. has been a while since i last looked |
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agaran |
Sokomine: it may be, I am not remembering who, proved results that doing all-lua stuff was faster than C++ side calling maany lua callbacks |
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strncpy |
Hi |
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red-002 |
hi |
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* red-002 |
waits for strcpy to join |
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sfan5 |
you can't that's unsafe |
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agaran |
;) |
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diemartin |
char s[5]; strncpy(s, "Hello", sizeof(s)); |
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diemartin |
<_< |
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sfan5 |
diemartin: what happens if sizeof(char) != 1 |
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diemartin |
magic? |
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sfan5 |
nah |
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sfan5 |
the c standard prohibits that |
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diemartin |
hence, non-standard behavior, aka magic :) |
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Milan[m] |
can't i check for player privs on_construct? it works somehow only on_punch for me o.O |
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fireglow |
important safety announcement re. cats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_8mdH20qTQ |
| 20:53 |
sfan5 |
!title |
| 20:53 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Remove cat before flight - YouTube |
| 20:57 |
Ronsor |
red-002: I don't mind having a way to break blocks |
| 20:57 |
Ronsor |
i'll just have to write a program that will apply my patches to minetest |
| 20:58 |
Ronsor |
and distribute my own builds |
| 21:12 |
Ronsor |
It seems to me people from non-English speaking countries and children are the main demographic of Minetest |
| 21:13 |
Ronsor |
atleast according to the people that join my server |
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Ronsor |
out of this, atleast 50% of them are bound to grief |
| 21:13 |
sfan5 |
that's the main demographic of the android client |
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sfan5 |
which dominate the playerbase |
| 21:13 |
Ronsor |
80% of guests are going to grief |
| 21:15 |
Krock |
use the setting "default_password" and paste the password into the description to keep off kids |
| 21:15 |
Ronsor |
i like kids |
| 21:15 |
Ronsor |
for me, the kids aren't the griefers |
| 21:15 |
PureTryOut[m] |
really? most Minetest players use the Android client? |
| 21:15 |
Ronsor |
mostly non-English speakers; likely because of language barriers making it impossible to communicate rules |
| 21:15 |
Ronsor |
though my server allows griefing |
| 21:15 |
Ronsor |
and wars |
| 21:15 |
PureTryOut[m] |
tbh I find that hard to believe |
| 21:16 |
Ronsor |
i sure don't |
| 21:16 |
Ronsor |
I have lots of users on iPads and android phones & tablets |
| 21:16 |
sfan5 |
PureTryOut[m]: heres the stats https://kitsunemimi.pw/tmp/serverlist_stats_2017-03-17.txt |
| 21:16 |
Ronsor |
the iPad users have a bootleg minetest installed |
| 21:16 |
Krock |
alyways these ninjas ^ |
| 21:16 |
Ronsor |
like Worldcraft |
| 21:16 |
Krock |
was two seconds too late to hit enter for the same link |
| 21:17 |
Krock |
s/lyw/lw/ |
| 21:17 |
fireglow |
1927468 servers?? |
| 21:17 |
PureTryOut[m] |
1.7m+ players? what the hell?!? |
| 21:17 |
PureTryOut[m] |
or servers? |
| 21:18 |
Krock |
that's the number of calls to the server |
| 21:18 |
Krock |
if each player checks out the server list 20 times this number goes fast downwards |
| 21:18 |
fireglow |
oh players, these are the weblogs from the serverlist the client fetches |
| 21:18 |
Ronsor |
hey that can be part of advertising |
| 21:18 |
Ronsor |
Minetest: over 1.7 MILLION players: JOIN TODAY! |
| 21:19 |
Krock |
must play minetest more often again to push the windows stats upwards >:) |
| 21:19 |
Ronsor |
Or I could just write a script to inflate stats |
| 21:20 |
PureTryOut[m] |
Krock: hell no, get it down lower by switching to Linux! |
| 21:20 |
Krock |
PureTryOut[m], my browser is linux, Minetest windows ;) |
| 21:20 |
Ronsor |
I use both |
| 21:21 |
PureTryOut[m] |
wut, why? |
| 21:21 |
Ronsor |
depending on convenience |
| 21:21 |
Ronsor |
because I have both |
| 21:21 |
Krock |
PureTryOut[m], useragents are magic. |
| 21:21 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I know how it works, but why would you want to play Minetest on Windows? 0_0 screw Windows :p |
| 21:22 |
Milan[m] |
wow didn't expect different results between `function(pos, node, puncher)` and `function(pos,puncher,node)` |
| 21:22 |
Ronsor |
I know windoze sucks |
| 21:22 |
Milan[m] |
windows... i don't miss these days |
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| 21:22 |
PureTryOut[m] |
Of course it sucks, it's proprietary :p |
| 21:22 |
Krock |
Milan[m], it's not the spaces that matter btw. it's the argument sorting |
| 21:22 |
PureTryOut[m] |
that in itself makes it suck. and then there are the technical aspects on which it sucks |
| 21:23 |
PureTryOut[m] |
not saying that Linux is perfect though |
| 21:23 |
Krock |
oh shit. look at this discussion that I started :< |
| 21:23 |
Milan[m] |
well the spaces would be even more confusing :D i dodn't know that sorting even matters #todayilearned |
| 21:23 |
Milan[m] |
*didn't |
| 21:24 |
Ronsor |
it always matters in programming |
| 21:24 |
PureTryOut[m] |
of course you'll start a discussion by mentioning you use Windows :p |
| 21:24 |
Milan[m] |
but thanks for pointing out, krock! |
| 21:24 |
PureTryOut[m] |
it should start a discussion imo |
| 21:24 |
Ronsor |
>Windows |
| 21:24 |
Ronsor |
I prefer Unixy systems |
| 21:24 |
Ronsor |
but i'm writing my own OS |
| 21:24 |
Krock |
Milan[m], in Lua it's not that logical but in other languages it would throw you an error for passing a different type to an argument of a function |
| 21:25 |
Ronsor |
e.g. C |
| 21:25 |
Ronsor |
which will atleast warn you |
| 21:25 |
Milan[m] |
unixy systems? i don't like macos that much |
| 21:25 |
Ronsor |
Unixy = {BSD,Linux,MacOS} |
| 21:25 |
Ronsor |
I prefer Linux, BSD second |
| 21:25 |
Ronsor |
MacOS is a good user-facing Unix |
| 21:25 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I dislike proprietary systems in general, no matter if it's Unixy or not. but yeah I prefer unixy over NT-y as well |
| 21:25 |
PureTryOut[m] |
like ReactOS is a good project, but I would never use it myself |
| 21:25 |
Milan[m] |
krock, sounds like when i finally go learn golang, i won't run in such an error, right?^^ |
| 21:26 |
Krock |
no idea about golang |
| 21:26 |
PureTryOut[m] |
let's start a new discussion |
| 21:26 |
PureTryOut[m] |
Rust > Golang |
| 21:26 |
Ronsor |
Golang > Rust |
| 21:26 |
Milan[m] |
ewwww |
| 21:26 |
Krock |
Golang + Rust < C(++) |
| 21:26 |
Ronsor |
Golang has more sugar (i.e. built in features) |
| 21:26 |
Ronsor |
I honestly prefer C when I don't need too many features |
| 21:27 |
Ronsor |
C++ has gotten out of hand lately |
| 21:27 |
Ronsor |
they keep adding more stuff |
| 21:27 |
Milan[m] |
that's not fair i wanted to have golang and now people are against it |
| 21:27 |
PureTryOut[m] |
new discussion, Vim > Emacs |
| 21:27 |
Ronsor |
I like golang |
| 21:27 |
Milan[m] |
*as my first real language |
| 21:27 |
Ronsor |
Nano > Vim > Emacs |
| 21:27 |
Ronsor |
no wait |
| 21:27 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I'm not against Golang, I just think Rust is better. but tbf, I know jack shit about programming languages lol |
| 21:27 |
Krock |
PureTryOut[m], the winner of that round will be Notepad.exe /s |
| 21:27 |
Ronsor |
Cat > Nano > Vim > Emacs |
| 21:27 |
Milan[m] |
whoooot nothing bigger then vim! |
| 21:27 |
PureTryOut[m] |
Krock: > mfw installing Wine makes notepad.exe the default text editor for everything |
| 21:27 |
Krock |
heheh |
| 21:28 |
PureTryOut[m] |
Ronsor: ed > * |
| 21:28 |
PureTryOut[m] |
ed is the default text editor |
| 21:28 |
Milan[m] |
discourse>nodebb>mybb>phpbb |
| 21:28 |
Ronsor |
hah i don't even have ed |
| 21:28 |
Ronsor |
also i prefer CustomBB |
| 21:28 |
Ronsor |
as in write your own forum software! |
| 21:28 |
Milan[m] |
hah. |
| 21:28 |
Ronsor |
Warning: 82412394012834012 XSS bugs found |
| 21:29 |
PureTryOut[m] |
new discussion: Matrix > IRC > everything else > Discord |
| 21:29 |
Krock |
PureTryOut[m], how can "ed > *" be true if ed ∈ (element of) * |
| 21:29 |
Ronsor |
Discord < * |
| 21:29 |
Ronsor |
also |
| 21:29 |
Milan[m] |
@PureTryOut:matrix.org: forgot about mumble completly :( |
| 21:29 |
Ronsor |
ed > (!(ed) in *)->Array() |
| 21:29 |
Milan[m] |
mastodon>gnusocial>twitter |
| 21:29 |
PureTryOut[m] |
Milan: I did not. it falls under the "everything else" category |
| 21:30 |
Ronsor |
mastodon it! |
| 21:30 |
PureTryOut[m] |
but tbf you can't compare Mumble and IRC lol |
| 21:30 |
Ronsor |
but mastodon is under the AGPL |
| 21:30 |
Ronsor |
which i think is evil personally |
| 21:30 |
Ronsor |
(I like the regular GPL btw) |
| 21:30 |
PureTryOut[m] |
AGPL > * |
| 21:30 |
Milan[m] |
oh come on... |
| 21:30 |
Ronsor |
AGPL < (* - [AGPL]) |
| 21:30 |
Ronsor |
the AGPL is an EULA basically |
| 21:30 |
PureTryOut[m] |
so... when will Minetest go AGPL3 everywhere? |
| 21:30 |
Ronsor |
It doesn't only restrict redistribution |
| 21:31 |
Ronsor |
also if Minetest tries to go AGPL I'll have to fork it |
| 21:31 |
PureTryOut[m] |
gl with that lol |
| 21:31 |
Ronsor |
Minetest should go with regular GPL to be honest |
| 21:31 |
Ronsor |
LGPL is best for libraries |
| 21:31 |
PureTryOut[m] |
agreed |
| 21:31 |
Calinou |
Ronsor: LGPL means "lesser" as of 2.1 |
| 21:31 |
Milan[m] |
but if someone wanna follow me there: @milan social.tchncs.de |
| 21:31 |
Ronsor |
I know that |
| 21:31 |
sfan5 |
Ronsor: there are no plans for any kind of license change in mt |
| 21:31 |
Ronsor |
but still it's technically used for libaries |
| 21:31 |
Calinou |
it doesn't make much difference in the context of a program like Minetest, it's still a suitable license |
| 21:31 |
Calinou |
it's not like we're using CC BY on code |
| 21:32 |
Ronsor |
yeah |
| 21:32 |
Ronsor |
that would be a MIT license basically |
| 21:32 |
Calinou |
no, it'd be worse |
| 21:32 |
Ronsor |
anyway I think i want to install matrix now |
| 21:32 |
Ronsor |
wait i don't think i have enough disk space |
| 21:32 |
Ronsor |
or ram |
| 21:32 |
Ronsor |
matrix's server is memory hog |
| 21:32 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I do like that Minetest's default textures are all CC BY. allows it to be included with regular package managers |
| 21:32 |
Ronsor |
i mean 2gb is ridiculous for chat |
| 21:33 |
PureTryOut[m] |
Ronsor: people report that it runs fine on a RPi3 (1GB RAM) |
| 21:33 |
Ronsor |
It does? |
| 21:33 |
Ronsor |
I wonder how much disk it takes |
| 21:33 |
Ronsor |
i have 120MB left |
| 21:33 |
Milan[m] |
@freenode_Ronsor:matrix.org: you can restrict memory and you can expect something around 400M - beside, they're rewriting to a new golang server |
| 21:33 |
Ronsor |
(yay USB drives) |
| 21:33 |
PureTryOut[m] |
and the main devs are working on a new (proper) homeserver implementation written in Golang |
| 21:33 |
Ronsor |
ooh golang |
| 21:33 |
Ronsor |
I want to help with that |
| 21:33 |
PureTryOut[m] |
should be way more efficient |
| 21:33 |
Milan[m] |
do it |
| 21:33 |
Milan[m] |
https://github.com/matrix-org/dendron |
| 21:33 |
PureTryOut[m] |
^ JUST DO IT |
| 21:34 |
Ronsor |
just do it(R) |
| 21:34 |
Milan[m] |
wait, i confused them |
| 21:34 |
Milan[m] |
https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite |
| 21:34 |
PureTryOut[m] |
yeah Dendron isn't the right one. they should remove the repo imo |
| 21:34 |
Ronsor |
yeah |
| 21:34 |
Ronsor |
it's ded |
| 21:35 |
Milan[m] |
i still want you folks on mastodon :( |
| 21:35 |
Ronsor |
Mastodon it! |
| 21:35 |
Ronsor |
still affero |
| 21:35 |
Milan[m] |
mimimimimi |
| 21:35 |
Ronsor |
which is why i'm working on a new project |
| 21:35 |
Milan[m] |
the dev of masto is a humand - u can talk to him about it |
| 21:36 |
Milan[m] |
-d |
| 21:36 |
Milan[m] |
rofl |
| 21:36 |
Ronsor |
*-d is the correct syntax |
| 21:37 |
Milan[m] |
this is the correct license, this is the correct syntax ... opensource itself doesn't matter anymore in the minetest irc... |
| 21:37 |
Ronsor |
*free software |
| 21:37 |
Ronsor |
I pulled a stallmanism |
| 21:37 |
Milan[m] |
oh come on |
| 21:39 |
Ronsor |
heh |
| 21:39 |
PureTryOut[m] |
what you are reffering to as Linux is in fact GNU/Linux... |
| 21:40 |
Ronsor |
Stop right there |
| 21:40 |
Ronsor |
it's GNU/BSD/X11/MIT/Linux |
| 21:40 |
Ronsor |
oh man you made me do it |
| 21:40 |
Ronsor |
it's GNU/BSD/X11/MIT/Minetest/Firefox/Chrome/Linux |
| 21:42 |
Milan[m] |
ewww `on_construct = function(pos, node, placer)` still don't work :( |
| 21:42 |
PureTryOut[m] |
s/whateveryoujustsaid/systemd |
| 21:42 |
Ronsor |
Systemd will replace linux soon enough |
| 21:44 |
Milan[m] |
can't `minetest.check_player_privs` work `on_construct` in general or is it my code? |
| 21:44 |
Milan[m] |
this time i am sure i do the same thing like i did on_punch |
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diemartin |
what is your code? |
| 21:46 |
Ronsor |
Please PazteBin it |
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| 21:48 |
Milan[m] |
something like this atm https://haste.tchncs.de/raw/ezizarulux |
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red-002 |
physics/silicon/gnu/linux |
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Ronsor |
Universe/Linux |
| 21:50 |
diemartin |
Milan[m], those two `if`s are not equivalent |
| 21:51 |
Milan[m] |
yes, i know but my problem is that player stays nil :/ |
| 21:51 |
Milan[m] |
or...placer in this case |
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diemartin |
Milan[m], >on_construct = func(pos), |
| 21:52 |
red-002 |
still waiting for Room-temperature superconductor/power grid/minix 3 |
| 21:52 |
diemartin |
there's no placer argument to on_construc |
| 21:52 |
diemartin |
+t |
| 21:52 |
diemartin |
Milan[m], maybe you meant on_place ? |
| 21:53 |
diemartin |
or something else |
| 21:53 |
Milan[m] |
on_place somehow failed to place the item completly with this... |
| 21:54 |
Milan[m] |
but yeah - comparing with my check on tnt i guess i really forgot something :o |
| 21:54 |
Milan[m] |
or not ..or hm... scratching head |
| 21:55 |
Milan[m] |
how would this argument look like / where exactly do i have to study the docs for it, diemartin? |
| 21:55 |
diemartin |
Milan[m], are you explicitly setting the node in on_place? |
| 21:56 |
diemartin |
Milan[m], lua_api.txt should be the definitive ref |
| 21:57 |
Milan[m] |
will have a look again...ty |
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kaeza |
yw |
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