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red-001 |
does anyone use windows for hosting? |
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Calinou |
hooray https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5055 |
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Bukki |
Anyone knows how rankings in Capture the Flag are calculated? |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Kid Inventors' Day! 😃 💡 |
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kaeza |
~karma |
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ShadowBot |
kaeza: Highest karma: "c" (5), "<luke4378> " (1), and "So love has put out an xml file with autocomplete for Notepad" (1). Lowest karma: "<JadenWolf> --." (-6), "<GreenDimond> --does not compute" (-2), and "<Lexiiboo25> --_" (-2). |
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kaeza |
O.o |
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agaran |
:) nice carma.. or rather.. FAST one |
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kaeza |
~karma c |
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ShadowBot |
kaeza: Karma for "c" has been increased 6 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 5. |
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kaeza |
oh |
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kaeza |
that took too long sink in, heh |
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kaeza |
greetings, agaran |
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kaeza |
>learning graphics design |
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kaeza |
>must use CorelDraw |
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kaeza |
why |
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kaeza |
that program is utterly idiotic |
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agaran |
hi Kaeza, because there are 2 fighting camps, corel users and adobe users;) |
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VanessaE |
while us gimp+blender users just sit back, munch on popcorn, and watch the carnage ;) |
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agaran |
VanessaE: you forgot inkscape;) |
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kaeza |
I just cheat by exporting to SVG, importing in Inkscape, do the work, then erpot/import into CD |
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kaeza |
export* |
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VanessaE |
that too :D |
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kaeza |
really, when it doesn't crash, it fucks up your work |
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kaeza |
the interface is a mess, boolean ops don't work as expected half the time, randomly decides to disable the save and/or copy commands, ... |
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kaeza |
apparently, specifying transparency is "black magic" judging from its location in the UI |
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kaeza |
okay /rant |
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VanessaE |
heh |
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kaeza |
that's the only thing "keeping" me on Windows right now |
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kaeza |
the WineHQ has it marked as crap :/ |
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agaran |
kaeza: tried recent enough wine? |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Ezhh -> minetest/minetest: Improve priv descriptions (#5047) d218baa https://git.io/vM693 (2017-01-17T14:41:25Z) |
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red-001 |
does anyone use windows for hosting? |
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* Taose |
looks at Red |
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Taose |
You should rephrase that |
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Taose |
"Who needs educating about which server os to us" |
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Taose |
use* |
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rdococ |
agreed |
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* rdococ |
suggests a Linux distro |
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red-001 |
well there is a bug that makes it **really** easy to crash mt servers that run on windows |
| 16:32 |
rdococ |
not surprised |
| 16:33 |
Taose |
That'll need fixing >.< |
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Taose |
low priority though |
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red-001 |
^ |
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red-001 |
It seems no-one uses it for hosting anyway |
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Taose |
Some of the smaller ones might |
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red-001 |
well there are at least two ways to fix it |
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red-001 |
one of them can even be done in lua |
| 16:35 |
Taose |
1. Migrate to Linux |
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Taose |
2. Uninstall windows |
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agaran |
isn't step2 contained in step 1? |
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rdococ |
heh |
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sfan5 |
red-001: quite some people use windows for server hosting |
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rdococ |
agaran: well, even Mac OS would be better than Windows |
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red-001 |
3. configure x-server |
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rdococ |
oh |
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rdococ |
I misunderstood :p |
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agaran |
rdococ: straw and clay build 'server' would be more stable.. even before it dries properly |
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red-001 |
4. buy hosting |
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sfan5 |
red-001: nobody should be using a GUI on their server |
| 16:37 |
red-001 |
true |
| 16:37 |
red-001 |
linux is pretty good for hosting |
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red-001 |
at least compare to windows and osx |
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KaadmY |
use this stuff http://www.tinycorelinux.net/ |
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KaadmY |
it vewwy good |
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red-001 |
Minux 3 sounds really interesting |
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red-001 |
An OS that could run for a very long time without crashing |
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KaadmY |
arch linux is stable |
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KaadmY |
used it for several months now, never crashed yet |
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KaadmY |
but again i've never had linux ever crash outside of using unsupported opengl drivers |
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red-001 |
well thats the thing with a design like Minux 3 the system could easy recover from the graphics driver crashing |
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Taose |
Haven't met a linux distribution that can't be recovered from a graphics driver crashing |
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Taose |
Though you do need to know what you're doing. |
| 17:02 |
Taose |
Having your desktop completely crash and you need to use certain key combinations to get it back up and running is fun |
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Taose |
(without restarting the machine, which would have been so much easier had I had that option) |
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Taose |
That wasn't entirely Linux fault though, that was mine, I was screwing with something or other. |
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Taose |
That didn't look like an advertisement for the new power ranger movie at all. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] dmoerner -> minetest/minetestmapper: Write manpage based on README. 07c371f https://git.io/vMi8L (2017-01-17T18:05:15Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sapier at gmx dot net -> minetest/minetest: Fix typo in alias for deprecated settexturemod 51746ca https://git.io/vMiaO (2017-01-17T18:41:52Z) |
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KaadmY |
argh the forum has a 64x64 max avatar size |
| 19:03 |
Taose |
Tis okay |
| 19:03 |
Taose |
scale your avatar down :D |
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Krock |
It's not an image hoster, so 64x64 pixels are by far enough for an avatar |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
enough to identify you |
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* Taose |
shrugs |
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* Taose |
wonders why not 16x16 :D |
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Krock |
depending on what you would like to use, it might be a bit difficult to see details there |
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Taose |
Minetest seems to manage |
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IhrFussel |
Why must sed be so inconsistent with escaping in regular expressions x.x It took me a whole hour to figure out that [ ] should not be escaped while { } have to |
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sfan5 |
because the default mode of sed is not real regular expressions |
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IhrFussel |
sfan5, do you mean the r option? |
| 20:52 |
sfan5 |
yes |
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IhrFussel |
Okay will keep that in mind |
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IhrFussel |
HELP: I can't grep my debug.txt anymore...it only searches till Jan 15 and then it says at the bottom "found matches in binary code" =( |
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sfan5 |
add -a |
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IhrFussel |
sfan5, wow that option fixed it |
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red-001 |
almost 800 open issues |
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IhrFussel |
So is my debug.txt corrupted then?? It worked before without -a |
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Taose |
That's because some twit thinks that Light on snow not being smoothed matters >_> |
| 21:00 |
Taose |
I mean c'mon -_- |
| 21:00 |
Taose |
That's not an issue, that's an aesthetic choice |
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sfan5 |
IhrFussel: no, it just contains a non-ASCII character somewhere |
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Taose |
(also Marku, I don't really think you're a twit) |
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IhrFussel |
Ah okay good =) |
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passant |
hi there, i am currently working on mapgen v7 settings. i expected a strange stone desert which does not look right to me - i wonder if someone has a hint what can cause this - sadly minetest doesn't provide a log entry about this... |
| 21:14 |
Taose |
Sure it's not the recently added Silver Desert? |
| 21:15 |
Taose |
I think it's a newly added biome |
| 21:15 |
Taose |
paramat might be able to tell you more |
| 21:17 |
passant |
Taose, no, this is working |
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passant |
and i am also quite sure that those stone deserts doesn't appear with my privious settings - but i already changes a bunch so reverse checking is nearly impossible and the stone deserts not that often |
| 21:19 |
passant |
*changed |
| 21:19 |
Taose |
Did you update? |
| 21:19 |
passant |
not the last week |
| 21:20 |
Taose |
Dunno then >.< |
| 21:20 |
passant |
(running on dev anyway) |
| 21:20 |
Taose |
<< not an expert at any rate |
| 21:20 |
passant |
not a problem, i think this is hard to tell anyway... |
| 21:25 |
passant |
hmm even nothing notable in verbose mode |
| 21:29 |
passant |
maybe it is just a strange sideefeect or even wanted and just to see this way because i made everything so large :D |
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IhrFussel |
One of my players got disconnected and cant join since...te error message they get is rather weird: https://imgur.com/gallery/kimoR |
| 21:38 |
Taose |
Are you both using the same version? |
| 21:38 |
Taose |
say v0.4.15 |
| 21:39 |
Taose |
The error basically says that his client is to new for your server |
| 21:40 |
passant |
by the way, is it possible to blend biome-top borders? means each biome got a max Y which looks kinda odd on mountains |
| 21:40 |
IhrFussel |
The player is using 0.4.14 on Android |
| 21:40 |
Taose |
and you're using? |
| 21:40 |
IhrFussel |
My server is 0.4.15-dev |
| 21:40 |
Taose |
... |
| 21:40 |
Taose |
you're using an unstable version... |
| 21:41 |
sfan5 |
that's usually not a problem |
| 21:41 |
IhrFussel |
Since when is that wrong? |
| 21:41 |
Taose |
Nope, but it's not good practice. |
| 21:41 |
sfan5 |
have they tried to reboot their device? |
| 21:41 |
Taose |
^ |
| 21:41 |
sfan5 |
i have observed this sometimes happening and it just solved itself |
| 21:41 |
Taose |
It could be that Android updated his version (android is like that) |
| 21:42 |
sfan5 |
also that's definitely not android, what's that mouse cursor doing there? |
| 21:42 |
Taose |
(Generally for Gameplay, you would have a stable server and a stable client *in theory*) |
| 21:43 |
red-001 |
note the "in theory" |
| 21:43 |
Taose |
Well I wrote it |
| 21:44 |
Taose |
:) |
| 21:44 |
Taose |
I'm just saying that using a dev server for game play is bad practice. |
| 21:44 |
red-001 |
well most servers do that |
| 21:46 |
red-001 |
huh a lot of servers are still using 0.4.14 |
| 21:47 |
red-001 |
or "0.4.14-BiteMe" whatever that is |
| 21:47 |
passant |
i am on dev with my servers over two years now without expecting problems from that |
| 21:49 |
sofar |
you likely want to be on -dev with minetest on your server |
| 21:49 |
red-001 |
so why exactly do some many servers use the version string of "0.4.14-BiteMe"? |
| 21:49 |
sofar |
but keep `minetest_game` at releases |
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sfan5 |
red-001: nobody knows |
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IhrFussel |
sfan5, 2 players were experiencing that issue...one on windows 0.4.15 and the other on Android 0.4.14 ... I decided to restart the server and its fixed |
| 21:50 |
sfan5 |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 21:50 |
red-001 |
lol |
| 21:51 |
IhrFussel |
But i cannot always restart the server only because 1 or 2 players are having problems :/ |
| 21:51 |
Taose |
Passant, it's because Minetest is awesome. Generally dev versions are quite buggy. Not Minetest. |
| 21:51 |
red-001 |
I think minetest is uniformly buggy |
| 21:52 |
Taose |
>.> when did Minetest last crash and burn for you? |
| 21:52 |
red-001 |
today |
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red-001 |
but I did cause it on propose |
| 21:52 |
Taose |
XD |
| 21:52 |
Taose |
good point, those names I assume? |
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Taose |
... |
| 21:53 |
red-001 |
yes |
| 21:53 |
Taose |
but you use windows |
| 21:53 |
Taose |
so you don't count |
| 21:53 |
red-001 |
in general It happens every so often |
| 21:53 |
Taose |
(I'm not a linux elitest at all) |
| 21:53 |
Taose |
hmm |
| 21:53 |
red-001 |
I will take your word on that |
| 21:54 |
Taose |
Maybe I just don't play long enough, no crashing and burning for me |
| 21:54 |
red-001 |
It is usually it is running out of memory or something like that |
| 21:55 |
red-001 |
that or the good old 0xc0000005 |
| 21:55 |
IhrFussel |
WTH...dmesg shows me an OOM-killer entry for "minetestserver"... |
| 21:56 |
agaran |
that would mean memleak |
| 21:56 |
IhrFussel |
The server was only running for 20 minutes at that time...i woner what could cause 4GB RAM usage within that time |
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IhrFussel |
agaran, i added 3 mods recently: moretrees, nether, biome_lib hmm |
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agaran |
I'd cut temporarly nether and see if it again does that |
| 21:58 |
red-001 |
travis seems awfully slow today |
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agaran |
generation of map could make leaks |
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passant |
what i still wonder is why my mountains getting bigger but not really higher... |
| 21:59 |
agaran |
nether uses all lua I think.. |
| 21:59 |
red-001 |
I think most of the unstable parts of minetest are in the client |
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red-001 |
so why exactly doesn't minetest use a database for player files? |
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Taose |
Unnecessary? |
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red-001 |
have you seen the amount of player files you get when you run a server? |
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Taose |
No >.> |
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IhrFussel |
Many mods rely on them...for example to check if a player exists (not if the player is online) |
| 22:06 |
Taose |
because my vpn hates minetest |
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Taose |
(it hates all self hosting things) |
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sfan5 |
IhrFussel: they those mods are doing something very very wrong |
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red-001 |
well I'm not sure what to say..... |
| 22:06 |
sfan5 |
there are way easier ways to check for players |
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sfan5 |
and player files are not guaranteed to be named after the place it seems |
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IhrFussel |
sfan5, i know there is some function to fetch the auth file but i never used it |
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rubenwardy |
minetest.get_auth_handler():get_auth(player_name) is the current best way I believe |
| 22:08 |
rubenwardy |
maybe we should add minetest.player_exist to make it less hacky / undocumented |
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IhrFussel |
Good idea |
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red-001 |
#4942? |
| 22:09 |
passant |
hmm, looks like passant needs to stuck on try&fail&forum |
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red-001 |
? |
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Fervi |
Hello, can somebody test for me something? |
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Fervi |
LANG=pl_PL.utf8 minetest |
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Fervi |
Do you have words? |
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red-001 |
so set minetest to polish? |
| 22:24 |
Fervi |
yep |
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Fixer |
died in abbyss |
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Fervi |
i don't have any words, but when i set english language - it works |
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red-001 |
ohh I don't have gettexted complied |
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red-001 |
It's working normally |
| 22:28 |
rubenwardy |
!title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5064 |
| 22:28 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Add minetest.player_exists() by rubenwardy · Pull Request #5064 · minetest/minetest · GitHub |
| 22:28 |
Fervi |
in polish version red-001? |
| 22:28 |
Fervi |
or english? |
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red-001 |
polish |
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Fervi |
ok, thanks |
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red-001 |
is it not working for you? |
| 22:29 |
Fervi |
i just don't have text in minetest on polish version |
| 22:29 |
red-001 |
huh |
| 22:29 |
Fervi |
http://meshnet-users.tk/paste/p/gun.png |
| 22:30 |
red-001 |
maybe your computer doesn't have the right fonts? |
| 22:30 |
Fervi |
maybe but which one |
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Fervi |
:D |
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red-001 |
but polish is working the title... |
| 22:31 |
red-001 |
but polish is working in the title... |
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red-001 |
werid |
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Fervi |
yep; i think it's debian bug |
| 22:31 |
Fervi |
* Use DroidSansFallbackFull.ttf instead of just DroidSansFallback.ttf. (Closes: #849360) |
| 22:32 |
red-001 |
could you try and build from source? |
| 22:32 |
Fervi |
yep, but i can also update to sid version |
| 22:32 |
red-001 |
see http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest |
| 22:35 |
Fervi |
ok, give me a sec |
| 22:40 |
Fervi |
red-001; works |
| 22:40 |
Fervi |
maybe except polish signs, but it is probably font bug |
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progysm |
hm, I had to simlinks another fun for that bug |
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progysm |
*font |
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adrie |
tht's a lot of ppl |
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Taose |
Yep |
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Taose |
(Enfaru) |
| 22:58 |
adrie |
I see |
| 22:58 |
Taose |
Most of these people are contributors to the code and or respective mods |
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adrie |
there's a nyan cat block |
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adrie |
I approve of this game. |
| 22:59 |
Taose |
(Just giving an introduction to a potential new addict) |
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adrie |
hmm |
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adrie |
yeah I always wonder how this many people find obscure things like this, but I might just be boring and basic |
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rubenwardy |
hello adrie and welcome o/ |
| 23:00 |
Taose |
Myself, I found Minetest through my OS's repository |
| 23:00 |
Taose |
how everyone else found it... |
| 23:00 |
adrie |
hi |
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adrie |
gnna go back to reading factbooks, I wanna contribute somehow |
| 23:01 |
Taose |
factbooks being part of the literary thing we do over at Nationstates |
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Taose |
>.> <.< |
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emunand |
i found minetest while looking around for free minecraft clones in 2011 |
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emunand |
then i forgot about it |
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emunand |
and found it again while searching the same thing in 2015 |
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Taose |
>.< |
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emunand |
.. -. -.. . . -.. |
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Benrob0329[m] |
Hello |
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red-001 |
hi |
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emunand |
hey |
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red-001 |
you new? |
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Benrob0329[m] |
Me, or him? |
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red-001 |
you |
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Benrob0329[m] |
Nah, just never youned the IRC chat before |
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Benrob0329[m] |
*joined |
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Benrob0329[m] |
I've actually been playing Minetest for a couple years now at least |
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DI3HARD139 |
Maybe someone around here can answer this question. Whats the limits on the Free plan for GitHub? |
| 23:55 |
DI3HARD139 |
specifically in the # of repositories |
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Benrob0329[m] |
100 mb per file limit |
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Benrob0329[m] |
and no clodes repos |
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Benrob0329[m] |
outside of that, nothing that i know of |
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DI3HARD139 |
ok |
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DI3HARD139 |
thanks |
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emunand |
alright then |
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emunand |
does anyone here run linux with encryption? |
