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garywhite |
Here's the link as I said earlier https://susestudio.com/a/yK21Gq/whiteos-home-edition |
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kruug |
(5000, 1000, 5000) (-5000, -1000, -5000) was what I gave it |
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kruug |
that way I'm guaranteed to never run into an edge |
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paramat |
kruug that's rather big, 390,625 mapchunks. better to do multiple smaller volumes |
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paramat |
i looked at technic worldgen, it uses lua voxelmanip and 3D noise without perlinmaps. so with roughly 1s per mapchunk you requested 100 hours of solid mapgen, i'm not surprised you didn't see progress messages |
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Megaf |
Good morning folks |
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agaran |
hi Megaf |
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agaran |
do I need some special magic to compile minetest in git tree to use checkout directory as target so I don't need to install it? (i want to have system installed minetest left intact) |
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red-001 |
set run_in_place to one? |
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Krock |
yes, RUN_IN_PLACE in CMake will do that |
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agaran |
thx |
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Foghrye4__ |
Hello everybody! Since when 3d person view was disabled in Minetest? And why? |
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Krock |
it's not disabled |
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Krock |
hit F7 |
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Krock |
(I assume you mean 3rd person view) |
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Foghrye4__ |
I wonder, how i can check my "F7" button on Ubuntu... |
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Krock |
check it by pressing |
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Krock |
there's also an ingame key setting window. Maybe it catches the F? keys too |
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Krock |
there you can see if it's broken or not |
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Foghrye4__ |
Yep, F1-F12 are not working. Thank for advice. |
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Krock |
np |
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Foghrye4 |
A friggin "office" buttton! |
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Guest53631 |
Oo |
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Foghrye4 |
What? |
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Guest53631 |
shadow: [23:46:43] <shadow> is there an oldest continuously running minetest world? |
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Guest53631 |
mine is around 4 years old, VanessaE has the oldest active server I think |
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Guest53631 |
[00:39:18] <kruug> sfan5: I issued /emergeblocks but I'm not getting a progress counter. Thoughts? |
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Guest53631 |
what does emergeblocks do? |
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sfan5 |
hm |
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sfan5 |
maybe the progress counter is a recent change |
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sfan5 |
the build i compiled was 0.4.14, do you want a dev build? |
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Guest53631 |
sfan5: what does emergeblocks do? |
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sfan5 |
oh |
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Megaf |
Hello, it's me |
| 10:26 |
sfan5 |
generate the world |
| 10:26 |
Krock |
hello you |
| 10:27 |
Megaf |
sfan5: the whole thing? |
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Megaf |
all 64Km squared? |
| 10:28 |
Krock |
if, then all 64km^3 |
| 10:28 |
Krock |
but nobody could store that amount of data so this can't be |
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Megaf |
I dont know the "squared" word for ^3 |
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Krock |
cubic |
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sfan5 |
Megaf: as much as you specify |
| 10:29 |
sfan5 |
you specify two position |
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sfan5 |
it generates all mapblocks inbetween |
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sfan5 |
kruug: maybe the progress counter is a recent change; the build I compiled was 0.4.14, do you want a dev build? |
| 10:30 |
Megaf |
I wonder how large a fully generated world would be |
| 10:30 |
Krock |
sfan5, he selected a too big area: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2016-10-15#i_4724760 |
| 10:31 |
Krock |
paramat already explained why there's no progress |
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sfan5 |
i though progress happens every second |
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sfan5 |
or does it only happen every 100 mapblocks |
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sfan5 |
? |
| 10:31 |
Krock |
good question |
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Krock |
all two seconds by Lua |
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Krock |
but what if the emergeblock function blocks Lua? I don't know if it runs in a seperate thread |
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Krock |
hi aix |
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aix |
hello Krock |
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agaran |
good afternoon |
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sfan5 |
hm |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Make documentation about ItemStack:set_{name,count,wear} clearer 9a3129d https://git.io/vP6ci (2016-10-15T12:42:59+02:00) |
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agaran |
Krock: do you know which mod contained stone ladders? looking like footsteps engraved/cut in stone? |
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Krock |
agaran, no idea. I've looked through some stone mods and decoration ones but wasn't able to find it |
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agaran |
I must remind where I saw it.. |
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Krock |
maybe it was a steel ladder |
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agaran |
no, I am sure it was not, I'll find it.. |
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red-002 |
how do you kill a ghost nick? |
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agaran |
if you have it registered it is easy.. else just write some messages to ghost in priv, usually that causes timeout fast |
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Krock |
!tell red-001 /ns ghost <nick> <pass> |
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MinetestBot |
Krock: I'll pass that on when red-001 is around |
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red-001: Oct-15 11:58 UTC <Krock> /ns ghost <nick> <pass> |
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agaran |
Krock: I am right you build few things there recently and updated sign? |
| 13:45 |
Krock |
I haven't built anything but updated the signs,yes |
| 13:46 |
Krock |
but I'm playing on another server right now, which is kinda amazing |
| 13:46 |
Krock |
Linux nerds everywhere but amazing :) |
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agaran |
well 'normal people' then? |
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Krock |
I think so, yes |
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agaran |
Telesight: why on/off switch on your server for technic machines? |
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Telesight |
@agaran If a player comes close to these machine they start working and that creates a lot of cpu load. So better turn it off ... |
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agaran |
ah, so you turn them off to save on abm's? |
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Telesight |
Yes, if you build a machine as a player and you are not there it uses cpu load if other players are in the neigbourhood ... |
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agaran |
I see, I am just wandering there, thats why I asked |
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Telesight |
Ok, that is my clarification ;-) |
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Telesight |
Original name you have ;-) |
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agaran |
nah, just test to see if I want to get my feet there or not |
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agaran |
I like birds there |
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Telesight |
And the planes ...? ;-) |
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agaran |
I haven't see planes yet, no interreact means long walking only option |
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Telesight |
And the cars then ? |
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agaran |
cars looked neat though I am not that much into cars, I more like machinery building |
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agaran |
but jungle there looks impressive too |
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Telesight |
Ok that is why the server is build, a lot of technology mods ... |
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Telesight |
I have another server with lot of birds but no technology ;-) |
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agaran |
it is first server where I saw birds, I saw other mobs but not birds |
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Telesight |
REally? |
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agaran |
yes |
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Telesight |
Ok , then I have another server with birds but they spit fire in your neck ... |
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agaran |
sounds like need to wear hardhat.. |
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Telesight |
Yes more or less extreme surviving ... |
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Telesight |
@agaran More questions ...? |
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agaran |
Telesight: well I'll wander more and if I decide to stay there a bit I'll ask for interact when I make proper account, ok? |
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Telesight |
@agaran That is ok ... |
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agaran |
Telesight: though all those machines make it.. tempting |
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Telesight |
@agaran >255 mods ;-) |
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agaran |
well I look mostly at machines'n stuff.. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] t4im -> minetest/minetest: Travis: Only trigger a compile, when C/C++ related files were touched… adad6e0 https://git.io/vP6al (2016-10-15T17:59:23+02:00) |
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agaran |
meh and now I found dungeontest game.. I WANT 48h of spare time per day |
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sfan5 |
anyone here have windows device with touch? |
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agaran |
hmm if I manage to make tablet get past its bios (ie solder usb otg cable for keyboard) then I do.. |
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red-001 |
windows devices with touch as in windows phones? |
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sfan5 |
no |
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sfan5 |
stuff like surface |
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agaran |
win 10 that is |
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red-001 |
nopw |
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agaran |
nope, sorry |
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red-001 |
nope* |
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Krock |
very nope http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/nope.gif |
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Krock |
I have a touch device with windows. It just doesn't react on my touches :( |
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Krock |
agaran, same. My series must be watched somewhen and the time is by far not enough |
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shangul |
hi |
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shangul |
why mt.rbose.org is down for me? |
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Fixer-laptop |
Krock: erased config and now it works, but insanely slow |
| 16:49 |
Krock |
eww no |
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Fixer-laptop |
Krock: mipmap is a problem |
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Krock |
!up mt.rbose.org |
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MinetestBot |
mt.rbose.org:30000 is up (10ms) |
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Krock |
shangul, bad connection |
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shangul |
ok then problem with isp |
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shangul |
thx |
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Fixer-laptop |
Krock: with shaders - 4fps, without - 19fps |
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Krock |
drivers up-to-date? |
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Fixer-laptop |
Krock: up to LOL |
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Krock |
lol |
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Out`Of`Control |
shangul: you get error on connect? |
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Fixer-laptop |
8.15.10.2104 |
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Fixer-laptop |
mid 2012 |
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Out`Of`Control |
shangul: yes |
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Fixer-laptop |
default config, v_range 35 |
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Fixer-laptop |
0.4.13 - 28fps |
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twoelk |
agaran: you may have seen stone stairs in ethereal such as on the Xanadu server |
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agaran |
nope, I never got account on xanadu... |
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shangul |
Out`Of`Control, hi |
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twoelk |
well there are other servers using ethereal out there |
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twoelk |
but anyways -> https://github.com/tenplus1/ethereal/blob/master/extra.lua#L142 |
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shangul |
!ping |
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Fixer-laptop |
minetest-0.4.13-095f623-win32 - 27fps |
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shangul |
!ping |
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shangul |
Fixer-laptop, ping |
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Krock |
o/ twoelk |
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Fixer-laptop |
minetest-0.4.14-abb6fba-win32 - 22 fps |
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Krock |
shangul, pong from Krock after <too long> |
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twoelk |
\o Krock |
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shangul |
:) |
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shangul |
thx |
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shangul |
MinetestBot, hi |
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shangul |
MinetestBot, ping |
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Fixer-laptop |
minetest-0.4.14-e1aa98f-win32 - 24fps |
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Fixer-laptop |
minetest-0.4.14-win32 - 27fps |
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Fixer-laptop |
that was with shaders on |
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Fixer-laptop |
now without shaders |
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Fixer-laptop |
minetest-0.4.13 - 33fps |
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Fixer-laptop |
minetest-0.4.13-095f623-win32 - 62 fps |
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Fixer-laptop |
minetest-0.4.14-abb6fba-win32- 60 fps |
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Fixer-laptop |
minetest-0.4.14-e1aa98f-win32 - 65 fps |
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Krock |
fix superfluous shaders! |
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Fixer-laptop |
minetest-0.4.14-win32 - 62 fps |
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Fixer-laptop |
will check newest sfan build |
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Fixer-laptop |
you can already see huge difference |
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Fixer-laptop |
minetest-0.4.14-09cefc3-win32 (latest) - 60 fps |
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Fixer-laptop |
with shaders - 23 fps |
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Fixer-laptop |
lol |
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Fixer-laptop |
thats embaracing |
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Krock |
time to turn my compiler on |
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Fixer-laptop |
just with basic shader |
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Fixer-laptop |
Krock: wanna compile smth for me? |
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Krock |
Fixer-laptop, making a new build for everyone |
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Fixer-laptop |
Krock: can you build 32bit build with PR4530 applied? for this testing I do now |
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Krock |
ok, will do |
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Fixer-laptop |
my config: https://i.imgur.com/Dwilg7v.png |
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Fixer-laptop |
Krock: i need to see how PR 4530 helps with performance on this piece of crap, i had problems with 32 bit cross-compiling |
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Krock |
patched files |
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Fixer-laptop |
win7 32 bit |
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Fixer-laptop |
opening imgur frozed entire laptop for 10 sec |
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Krock |
started build from scratch |
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Fixer-laptop |
thats horrific |
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Fixer-laptop |
ucking site freezes entire laptop... |
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Fixer-laptop |
thats garbage |
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Krock |
I had system freezes that took longer, such that didn't end |
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Fixer-laptop |
thats with 2gb of ram |
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Fixer-laptop |
i have no idea wth those Mast. Monkey did to this laptop/imgur/windows whatever, it is SLOW |
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Fixer-laptop |
i mean developers of windows or laptop |
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Fixer-laptop |
or site |
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Fixer-laptop |
Pentium M 2Ghz + 2GB should not be that slow? |
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Fixer-laptop |
it does not swap |
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Fixer-laptop |
but this bs hangs it |
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Fixer-laptop |
firefox... |
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Krock |
FYI: the PR "Make getPointedThing faster" won't be contain in the build I'm giving you in the next few minutes |
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Fixer-laptop |
Krock: not a problem, I need SFS |
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Fixer-laptop |
i have seen some slow downs on some sites on core i3, but this one is total freeze |
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Fixer-laptop |
gonna make a move to another room |
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Krock |
40s left |
| 17:49 |
Krock |
Fixer-laptop, https://www.dropbox.com/s/6i4iag5zuedz4tt/minetest_161015_adad6e0_SFS.7z?dl=0 |
| 17:51 |
Krock |
aww shit. looks like I also bundled the new server search pull in it |
| 17:51 |
Krock |
forgot to undo that |
| 17:52 |
Fixer-laptop |
Krock: no problem |
| 17:52 |
Krock |
:) |
| 17:52 |
Fixer-laptop |
Krock: i need just singleplayer |
| 17:54 |
Fixer-laptop |
Krock: size seems small... something missing? |
| 17:54 |
Krock |
yes, MTG |
| 17:54 |
sfan5 |
Fixer-laptop: if you need a build with some pr applied i can always make you some |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
Fixer-laptop, throwing the minimal game already does it |
| 17:55 |
Fixer-laptop |
sfan5: thanks, thats just for laptopcrap i have (32bit), i build 64 bit ones myself |
| 17:58 |
Fixer-laptop |
minetest_161015_adad6e0_SFS / no shaders / 63 fps |
| 17:58 |
Calinou_ |
<Fixer-laptop> Pentium M 2Ghz + 2GB should not be that slow? |
| 17:58 |
Calinou_ |
Pentiums M were a thing before laptops were actually snappy... |
| 17:59 |
Calinou_ |
also, use uBlock Origin to make sites faster |
| 17:59 |
Fixer-laptop |
minetest_161015_adad6e0_SFS / shaders / 25 fps |
| 17:59 |
Fixer-laptop |
minetest_161015_adad6e0_SFS / shaders / 25 fps |
| 17:59 |
Krock |
not much difference |
| 18:02 |
Fixer-laptop |
Krock: thanks for your help |
| 18:02 |
Krock |
np |
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| 18:17 |
minetestusr |
hi, i have a problem in windows 10 latest stable build, no text in menus |
| 18:17 |
minetestusr |
ideas? |
| 18:19 |
Krock |
check the black console window for error/warning messages |
| 18:20 |
minetestusr |
none |
| 18:20 |
minetestusr |
i have text in the server names, etc.. |
| 18:20 |
minetestusr |
but al lthe tabs / and the first window are textless |
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| 18:21 |
twoelk |
have you some obscure system language? :-D |
| 18:21 |
minetestusr |
the windows language is english, but i have hebrew enabled |
| 18:21 |
minetestusr |
and it's the non-english locale |
| 18:22 |
twoelk |
maybe force language=en in the minetest.conf ? |
| 18:23 |
minetestusr |
ok, fixed the issue |
| 18:23 |
minetestusr |
i deleted locale/he and everything is ok |
| 18:23 |
twoelk |
so start a hebrew translation ;-P for the benefit of others |
| 18:23 |
minetestusr |
maybe this is related https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/910 |
| 18:24 |
minetestusr |
this is not the issue |
| 18:24 |
minetestusr |
the issue is a terriable experience |
| 18:24 |
minetestusr |
there should be wrong text, or godo text, no no text |
| 18:25 |
twoelk |
what build did you use? |
| 18:25 |
minetestusr |
found the fix here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7394 |
| 18:25 |
minetestusr |
0.4.14 |
| 18:26 |
twoelk |
no, who compiled your minetest executable? |
| 18:26 |
Krock |
does it also happen with a recent -dev build? |
| 18:26 |
Krock |
twoelk, sfan did them |
| 18:26 |
minetestusr |
twoelk: good question... i d/led from th site |
| 18:26 |
Krock |
then stable ones |
| 18:26 |
minetestusr |
didn't try dev builds, are there precompiled version of them ? |
| 18:26 |
twoelk |
maybe a missing library, so compare different builds |
| 18:27 |
Krock |
minetestusr, yes. dev builds are meant to be already compiled |
| 18:27 |
minetestusr |
i used https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/download/0.4.14/minetest-0.4.14-win64.zip |
| 18:27 |
minetestusr |
linke me |
| 18:28 |
Krock |
nvm, there was no change in that area in newer versions |
| 18:28 |
Krock |
not required to test them |
| 18:28 |
minetestusr |
if you have an idea for me to check, tell me |
| 18:28 |
minetestusr |
but i was lucky enough to invest more than 5 min of being mad and almost deleting this, i'm sure other find this experience bad |
| 18:30 |
Krock |
oh I'd have another idea |
| 18:30 |
Krock |
restore that locale folder |
| 18:31 |
Krock |
just to see if it's a font issue, add the line " font_path = C:\windows\fonts\tahoma.ttf " to your minetes.conf file |
| 18:31 |
minetestusr |
sec |
| 18:31 |
Krock |
but the fallback font should actually support all languages |
| 18:31 |
minetestusr |
also nice that minetest.conf is not windows-newline (for opening in notepad in windows) |
| 18:32 |
Krock |
yes, thus, install Notepad++ |
| 18:32 |
Krock |
that's much better than any other M$ editor |
| 18:32 |
minetestusr |
maybe windows builds should unix2dos :) |
| 18:32 |
minetestusr |
i'm using sublime text |
| 18:32 |
twoelk |
use wordpad |
| 18:33 |
Krock |
or firefox: open the inspector, add line and save page as.... err |
| 18:33 |
minetestusr |
ok, the font file made the text show up i nhebrew |
| 18:33 |
minetestusr |
but it's all LTR instead of RTL |
| 18:33 |
Krock |
oh really? |
| 18:33 |
minetestusr |
so it's half-way |
| 18:34 |
Krock |
then better switch back to english, that must be unreadable |
| 18:34 |
Fixer_ |
minetestusr: do you have github account? can you create an issue for minetest about hebrew problems? |
| 18:34 |
Krock |
It's an issue about the DroidSansFallback font |
| 18:35 |
Krock |
LTR issue is another thing I think |
| 18:35 |
Fixer_ |
minetestusr: nevermind, i will post it myself |
| 18:38 |
minetestusr |
k |
| 18:38 |
minetestusr |
you can test is yourself |
| 18:38 |
minetestusr |
just put hebrew locale in your windows |
| 18:38 |
minetestusr |
(my UI is still english) |
| 18:39 |
minetestusr |
do other languages like arab work ok ? |
| 18:39 |
Krock |
japanese seems to be a problem too. However, it could be tested by changing the language setting |
| 18:40 |
Calinou_ |
I don't think RTL is supported in Irrlicht? |
| 18:42 |
minetestusr |
if so, why put RTL locales ? |
| 18:43 |
Krock |
because gettext supports it and some guys that do translations never played minetest |
| 18:45 |
minetestusr |
maybe it's best for now to disable or remot eRTL locales |
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Fixer_ |
Calinou_: using adblock and noscript on it, but the freeze, it was unusable for 10 sec, nothing responded |
| 18:51 |
Calinou_ |
Fixer_: "classic" AdBlock is slower |
| 18:51 |
Calinou_ |
(or AdBlock Plus) |
| 18:51 |
Calinou_ |
uBlock Origin really is faster, and uses less RAM |
| 18:52 |
minetestusr |
uBlock Origin is the best |
| 18:52 |
minetestusr |
btw, does minetest use iconv ? |
| 18:53 |
Krock |
I had to fill in an include path for it while setting up my build environment, so I think yes |
| 18:54 |
minetestusr |
because i think ICONV can fix RTL issues |
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minetestusr |
you should do all the UI as HTML5 in webkit :) |
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| 19:02 |
minetestusr |
or maybe it's actually ICU |
| 19:03 |
Krock |
ICU is a TLA |
| 19:04 |
minetestusr |
http://icu-project.org/apiref/icu4c/ubidi_8h.html |
| 19:04 |
minetestusr |
what is TLA ? |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
a TLA is a TLA |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
a Three Letter Acronym |
| 19:04 |
minetestusr |
i think ubidi has a function that you give it text and it properly mirrors the RTL stuff |
| 19:04 |
garywhite |
I tried to run MT in my VM and it says not a valid Win32 application, and I go "What?" then I realize "Wait, all my copies are x64" |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
RTL is a TLA too :3 |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
garywhite, have fun compiling them for x86 or download it again :3 |
| 19:08 |
minetestusr |
fribidi might be another portable way https://cgit.freedesktop.org/fribidi/fribidi/tree/bin/fribidi-benchmark.c |
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Calinou_ |
<minetestusr> you should do all the UI as HTML5 in webkit :) |
| 19:10 |
Calinou_ |
haha, not gonna happen |
| 19:10 |
Calinou_ |
fribidi is LGPL |
| 19:10 |
Calinou_ |
we can use it, but not everyone is going to like it |
| 19:11 |
garywhite |
I redownloaded the 32-bit portable |
| 19:12 |
garywhite |
I also have to install the drivers for my Intel graphics chip so I can run this thing |
| 19:14 |
est31 |
minetest is LGPL too, no? |
| 19:15 |
Krock |
LGPL 2.1 |
| 19:15 |
Krock |
not compatible with LGPL 3, if fribidi would use that version |
| 19:15 |
est31 |
minetest is LGPL 2.1+ |
| 19:16 |
Krock |
I thought it was fixed to 2.1 due to the change in v3 |
| 19:16 |
est31 |
? |
| 19:16 |
est31 |
either way, seems fribidi is actually LGPL 2.1 |
| 19:17 |
Krock |
ah nvm. "either version 2.1 of the License, or (at your option) any later version." - from the readme file of minetest/minetest |
| 19:17 |
Krock |
sorry for the trouble :3 |
| 19:18 |
sfan5 |
minetestusr: does this look correct? http://i.imgur.com/MdSTPDs.png |
| 19:18 |
Fixer_ |
sfan5: this looks like hebrew for sure |
| 19:19 |
sfan5 |
i'm not asking about that, i know what hebrew looks like |
| 19:19 |
Fixer_ |
ok |
| 19:19 |
sfan5 |
more in the sense of reading direction |
| 19:22 |
twoelk |
hm, delete and play only differ in one letter :-D |
| 19:24 |
sfan5 |
hm |
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minetestusr |
sfan5: thats LTR |
| 19:30 |
minetestusr |
i.e. wrong |
| 19:31 |
minetestusr |
what about ICU's license ? |
| 19:31 |
sfan5 |
then it doesn't make sense to support hebrew like this anyway |
| 19:31 |
minetestusr |
sfan5: i think ICU has a function where you give it an RTL text, and it fixes it to LTR |
| 19:31 |
minetestusr |
in the ubidi api |
| 19:32 |
minetestusr |
sfan5: i persume other RTL languages have this isuse as well |
| 19:33 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 19:33 |
sfan5 |
maybe we also have arabic |
| 19:33 |
sfan5 |
i don't think we have any others |
| 19:34 |
minetestusr |
i think you should still post an updated version which removes those RTL locales.. |
| 19:34 |
minetestusr |
(altough maybe this works well in other platforms) |
| 19:35 |
Calinou_ |
we aren't going to release 0.4.15 just for this :P |
| 19:35 |
minetestusr |
btw, this can be an issue if in chat someone talks in RTL languages |
| 19:35 |
minetestusr |
Calinou_: well... bad user experience for a small portion of the users |
| 19:35 |
Calinou_ |
I too wish Minetest had more frequent releases |
| 19:35 |
Calinou_ |
except it's not the case |
| 19:35 |
Calinou_ |
just like every open source game out there |
| 19:37 |
sfan5 |
Calinou_: well we *can* change the zip files and remove locale/he |
| 19:37 |
Calinou_ |
that changes the checksums :( |
| 19:38 |
sfan5 |
who checks the checksums of the windows package? |
| 19:38 |
Calinou_ |
scripts? |
| 19:38 |
sfan5 |
like where? |
| 19:38 |
swift110 |
hey |
| 19:38 |
sfan5 |
i can understand distros checking the source code |
| 19:38 |
est31 |
its not really good behaviour |
| 19:38 |
sfan5 |
checksum |
| 19:38 |
est31 |
to update an old release |
| 19:38 |
sfan5 |
but the windows packages? |
| 19:38 |
est31 |
build section in the forum? |
| 19:39 |
est31 |
thats what its there for |
| 19:39 |
twoelk |
easiest may be to edit the download page to add a warning :-D |
| 19:39 |
est31 |
for builds of minetest |
| 19:39 |
sfan5 |
i know i know |
| 19:39 |
sfan5 |
though it's not exactly good when you download some software and all buttons are empty |
| 19:39 |
minetestusr |
small israeli kids wont read those :/ |
| 19:40 |
sfan5 |
0.4.15 will be released soonâ„¢ anyway |
| 19:40 |
est31 |
yes |
| 19:40 |
sfan5 |
well in about 2 months |
| 19:40 |
twoelk |
still winter solistic? |
| 19:40 |
est31 |
if we want to make an official release, we should do a patch release instead |
| 19:41 |
est31 |
it doesnt have to be called 0.4.14.1 we can call it 0.4.15 as well |
| 19:41 |
est31 |
take 0.4.14, branch it off there, do the fixes, call the result 0.4.15 |
| 19:41 |
est31 |
done |
| 19:42 |
twoelk |
*solstice |
| 19:42 |
est31 |
obviously master has to merge that branch in otherwise dev builds will continue to be called 0.4.14-dev |
| 19:43 |
sfan5 |
sounds complicated |
| 19:43 |
sfan5 |
why not just rebase the last 245 commits? |
| 19:43 |
* twoelk |
is confused |
| 19:43 |
sfan5 |
/s |
| 19:44 |
est31 |
hehe |
| 19:44 |
est31 |
well idk, maybe just put a warning to the page with a link to a fixed build |
| 19:45 |
est31 |
download page* |
| 19:46 |
est31 |
just manually adding fixes to the exe on a download page... idk, that's not really how it should be |
| 19:47 |
est31 |
its one step away from what you proposed :) |
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swift110 |
hmm |
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| 19:51 |
minetestusr |
ok, i found a small snippet that you can use |
| 19:52 |
redblade |
will 0.4.14.1 include changes up to now, like the protection against jungle tree griefing? |
| 19:52 |
minetestusr |
http://pastebin.com/WyCPS3TU <-- this is a code which uses ICU which should show proper RTL |
| 19:52 |
redblade |
or do i have to use dev code util 0.4.15 |
| 19:52 |
Krock |
minetestusr, join #minetest-dev and see what they say |
| 19:53 |
sfan5 |
minetestusr: due to reasons you can't talk in there |
| 19:53 |
minetestusr |
ahh, so can you paste it there ? |
| 19:53 |
Krock |
ah right. you'll need a proper client to chat |
| 19:54 |
sfan5 |
please switch to e.g. https://kiwiirc.com/ |
| 19:54 |
minetestusr |
huh, first time i hear of that |
| 19:54 |
minetestusr |
anyhow, if someone here would be kind to raise this in the #dev chat, that would be nice |
| 19:55 |
sfan5 |
we're aware of the issue |
| 19:55 |
sfan5 |
but it would be better if you just switch to a different client |
| 19:55 |
sfan5 |
so you can discuss and not just watch |
| 19:56 |
red-001 |
isn't making a release as simple as making sure there are no new game breaking bugs and increasing the version number? |
| 19:56 |
minetestusr |
why doe sthe ir cclient matter btw ? |
| 19:56 |
red-001 |
or am I missing something? |
| 19:56 |
* red-001 |
knowns nothing about how the minetest release process works |
| 19:57 |
garywhite |
Please keep an eye out on servers for a player by the name of Surpris. He was caught on ThePixelShadow creative server asking for personal information such as telephone number, so we suspect it may be a predatorial situation. If you see him, please keep an eye on him |
| 19:57 |
red-001 |
would you have an ip address? |
| 19:59 |
redblade |
hi garywhite |
| 19:59 |
sfan5 |
minetestusr: we used to receive lots of abuse from webchat clients in -dev |
| 19:59 |
red-001 |
that could help id him if he uses a diffrent name |
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redblade |
garywhite: you run pixelshadow right? |
| 20:00 |
garywhite |
Hi redblade |
| 20:00 |
garywhite |
No, but I am a moderator there |
| 20:00 |
garywhite |
RobbieF runs ThePixelShadow |
| 20:01 |
redblade |
i dont see a Surpris as having logged on to my server, msg me the IP and i'll see if he joined under other names |
| 20:02 |
redblade |
or notice |
| 20:02 |
garywhite |
We don't have the IP as of right now, RobbieF has to check the logs |
| 20:03 |
redblade |
btw just saying here, in about 2 1/2 hours, i will be back and shut down my server (the creative gardens) for a few days as i do vps os upgrades |
| 20:04 |
sfan5 |
upgrading the os takes a few days? o.O |
| 20:04 |
redblade |
i will try and get it up by monday but no promises |
| 20:04 |
redblade |
well i'm wiping it clean |
| 20:06 |
redblade |
plus the vps i use likes to make an extremely limited version of the os i use (slackware) and so i will have to install a dozen packages, and because slackware is bare-bones anyway i will need to compile more |
| 20:06 |
redblade |
the vps provider likes to install libraries without all the other libraries they need to "save space" |
| 20:08 |
redblade |
that's why i'm doing it now instead of when slackware 14.2 was released last summer, because of this "limited image" the provider gives us |
| 20:08 |
redblade |
most users on the forum appear to be happy with the idea though |
| 20:08 |
redblade |
not me |
| 20:09 |
redblade |
i've also put it off for a few days, just to let everyone know in advance instead of shutting it down right away |
| 20:09 |
redblade |
but i shouldn't have a problem setting up by monday |
| 20:10 |
redblade |
i just say "up to a week" just in case |
| 20:10 |
redblade |
s/the forum/their forum |
| 20:11 |
minetestusr |
ahh, slackware :/ |
| 20:12 |
redblade |
minetestusr: no nasty systemd or reliance on other people's repositories makes it great for servers |
| 20:13 |
redblade |
14.2 added some replacement for udev i dont know much about it as i havent used it on my desktop linux computer in months (i use xubuntu at home) |
| 20:14 |
minetestusr |
you can use ubuntu 14.04 |
| 20:14 |
minetestusr |
it's LTS |
| 20:14 |
redblade |
but slackware 14.2 was released after 3 years of nagging and packages not compiling because it was too old so it better be good :) |
| 20:14 |
Out`Of`Control |
can i read logs of dev channel? |
| 20:14 |
redblade |
i dont really want something complex on a vps |
| 20:15 |
Fixer_ |
y |
| 20:15 |
redblade |
because if i'm not using a gui slackware is so much easier |
| 20:16 |
redblade |
slackware is masochistic when it comes to things like video playback, but fpr servers it's very simple |
| 20:16 |
redblade |
just put in your own iptables and it works |
| 20:17 |
redblade |
or, /etc/rc.d/rc.whatever start/restart/stop instead of worrying about systemd |
| 20:18 |
redblade |
that's what makes slackware so much better for simple situations |
| 20:18 |
redblade |
and you can prevent stuff from starting just by removing the execute bit on rc.whatever |
| 20:19 |
minetestusr |
ubuntu server has no gui as well |
| 20:19 |
redblade |
wait are you talking about ubuntu server? |
| 20:19 |
redblade |
no i'm talking about how using slackware is easier when running it on a server, as opposed to a desktop |
| 20:19 |
redblade |
on a desktop or laptop for your home, ubuntu is easier |
| 20:20 |
redblade |
actually ubuntu is a bitch since they put in that windows 8 giant atm machine look |
| 20:20 |
redblade |
i stick with xfce or kde |
| 20:20 |
BrandonReese |
I don't miss Slackware :) |
| 20:20 |
redblade |
there's nothing to miss it's still around |
| 20:21 |
redblade |
it rarely releases new versions, usually once a year (or the last one took 3 years) but there's nothing wrong with it |
| 20:21 |
BrandonReese |
I used to use it, that was back 2005-2006 then I discovered Ubuntu and suddenly I didn't have to compile EVERYTHING :) |
| 20:22 |
BrandonReese |
No there's nothing wrong with it, it was just hard to try to use day to day. But you're right it would be better on a server than trying to use it as a desktop os. |
| 20:22 |
minetestusr |
ubuntu-server is just no gui |
| 20:22 |
redblade |
i used it as a desktop os for years since i prefer to compile things than rely on outdated or unofficial versions from repositories |
| 20:22 |
BrandonReese |
fair enough |
| 20:23 |
redblade |
but it just got too annoying for a desktop (in terms of watching videos, etc) |
| 20:23 |
redblade |
times changed |
| 20:23 |
redblade |
it only added pulseaudio with this version (14.2 this summer) |
| 20:24 |
redblade |
it rejected pulseaudio for so long |
| 20:24 |
redblade |
there was one other thing they fought against for so long, i cant think of it |
| 20:24 |
redblade |
networkmanager, was added around 5-10 years ago |
| 20:25 |
redblade |
anyway i have to go. be back in 1/2 to 2 hours or so |
| 20:25 |
redblade |
1 1/2 |
| 20:26 |
redblade |
bye |
| 20:26 |
minetestusr |
linux... atleast you have tons of wars, unlike windows :)/ |
| 20:27 |
garywhite |
bye |
| 20:27 |
redblade |
i found this video, before i go, minetestusr |
| 20:27 |
redblade |
i dont know anything about the show but it's funny |
| 20:27 |
Krock |
this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ |
| 20:27 |
redblade |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5WW7JOBSjg |
| 20:28 |
minetestusr |
yeah, gr8 show |
| 20:28 |
minetestusr |
gr8 episode |
| 20:28 |
redblade |
no and i have to go i cant watch it yet |
| 20:28 |
garywhite |
Krock rick rolled us |
| 20:29 |
minetestusr |
dont you know rickroll url by heart already ? |
| 20:29 |
Krock |
it ends with Q, that's all I know :3 |
| 20:31 |
red-001 |
I know it ends in Q because I know Krock knows it ends in Q |
| 20:31 |
red-001 |
so I guess I avoided watching the greatest song of all time? |
| 20:31 |
minetestusr |
anyhow, someone on github did a tab / spaces check because of that episode |
| 20:33 |
minetestusr |
https://medium.com/@hoffa/400-000-github-repositories-1-billion-files-14-terabytes-of-code-spaces-or-tabs-7cfe0b5dd7fd#.5f4wa5mks |
| 20:33 |
minetestusr |
redblade: check that :) |
| 20:34 |
Krock |
a yay for go |
| 20:36 |
red-001 |
wow I didn't know so many people prefer spaces |
| 20:36 |
red-001 |
aren't tabs faster to write? |
| 20:36 |
Krock |
me neither. these guys must be punished |
| 20:36 |
minetestusr |
the IDE makes the spaces auto |
| 20:36 |
red-001 |
or do people bind tab to spaces??? |
| 20:36 |
minetestusr |
yep |
| 20:37 |
Krock |
minetestusr, that can be configured |
| 20:37 |
Krock |
I've done that with my IDE right after I've installed it. Tabs are much better |
| 20:37 |
red-001 |
go looksw like a nice langauge |
| 20:37 |
red-001 |
100% tabs |
| 20:39 |
minetestusr |
it is enforce |
| 20:39 |
minetestusr |
tabs take less space :) |
| 20:43 |
red-001 |
I need a plugin that replaces vim vs emacs with cat vs echo |
| 20:47 |
shadow |
Megaf: thanks for the info :) which server is yours? |
| 21:03 |
nm0i |
https://www.emacswiki.org/pics/static/TabsSpacesBoth.png |
| 21:07 |
red-001 |
that comic could be adapded for some many other things |
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nm0i |
"tabs vs spaces" vs "people that actually have to press any buttons for ident" |
| 21:19 |
Megaf |
shadow: |
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Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 21:19 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms |
| 21:19 |
Megaf |
there |
| 21:24 |
nm0i |
o/, Megaf. |
| 21:25 |
Megaf |
Hey nm0i. Hows it going? |
| 21:26 |
nm0i |
Usual. Banned a lot of kids today. Just like yesterday. And the day before that. You? |
| 21:26 |
Megaf |
shadow: if you happen to join the server and like it, then you can meet some of the players at #MegafServer. The server itself connects there. |
| 21:27 |
Megaf |
shadow: I also recommend LinuxGaming server and Red Cat server |
| 21:27 |
Megaf |
I havent been to too many servers myself. But I like those |
| 21:27 |
Megaf |
and Xanadu :) |
| 21:33 |
shadow |
Megaf: :) |
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shadow |
!server RedKitten |
| 21:50 |
MinetestBot |
shadow: No results |
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PsychoVision |
!server Redcat |
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MinetestBot |
PsychoVision: No results |
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PsychoVision |
!server redcat |
| 22:21 |
MinetestBot |
PsychoVision: No results |
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PsychoVision |
!server RedCat |
| 22:21 |
MinetestBot |
PsychoVision: No results |
| 22:23 |
PsychoVision |
!server red cat |
| 22:23 |
MinetestBot |
PsychoVision: Red Cat Creative | 51.254.216.93 | Clients: 14/30, 12/21 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 7ms |
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shadow |
lulbuscuits |
| 22:38 |
Megaf |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4 |
| 22:38 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 22:38 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Nyan Cat [original] - YouTube |
| 22:40 |
Megaf |
I remember when I saw that for the first time and my then first girlfriend was crazy about the nyan cat and pretty much everyone else on the internet and i was like, really? Common! |
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Megaf |
We saw that on it's own website actually |
| 22:42 |
shadow |
reminds me of the leeks swinging meme |
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whitephoenix |
Anyone know why minetestserver --terminal complains about no name set in minetest.conf even though there is? |
| 22:48 |
whitephoenix |
I even have all the admin privs |
| 22:53 |
redblade |
back home |
| 22:54 |
nm0i |
Megaf: https://github.com/klange/nyancat |
| 22:54 |
Megaf |
nyam cat in fact was so viral that we have it in Minetest :) |
| 22:55 |
nm0i |
Yeah. I think I should disable it... Its mosltly used to build ugly floating platforms. |
| 22:55 |
whitephoenix |
you guys think this warrants a bug report? |
| 22:55 |
whitephoenix |
it only complains if I try to do minetestserver with --terminal |
| 22:56 |
Megaf |
@beryllium:~$ apt-cache search nyancat |
| 22:56 |
Megaf |
nyancat - Animated terminal Nyancat |
| 22:56 |
Megaf |
lol |
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Megaf |
This is amazing http://nyancat.dakko.us/ |
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Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/TzDi0dd.png |
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Jordach |
neat |
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| 23:41 |
Megaf |
it could have a midi track built in |
| 23:43 |
Megaf |
I found one midi from the interwebs http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/raw/master/nyan%20cat.mid |
| 23:45 |
* Jordach |
feels like rendering something with even more difficulty |
| 23:45 |
Megaf |
Oh my, look at that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCe2bTtKCJg |
| 23:45 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 23:45 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Take On Me - NSP - YouTube |
| 23:45 |
Megaf |
never seen the videoclip before |
| 23:46 |
Megaf |
hold on, that's new thing |
| 23:47 |
Megaf |
that's weird indeed |
| 23:48 |
swift110 |
sup guys |
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Megaf |
hey mman |
| 23:50 |
Megaf |
I mean, if you are man |
