Time  Nick           Message
00:28 garywhite      Here's the link as I said earlier https://susestudio.com/a/yK21Gq/whiteos-home-edition
00:46 kruug          (5000, 1000, 5000) (-5000, -1000, -5000) was what I gave it
00:47 kruug          that way I'm guaranteed to never run into an edge
05:14 paramat        kruug that's rather big, 390,625 mapchunks. better to do multiple smaller volumes
06:00 paramat        i looked at technic worldgen, it uses lua voxelmanip and 3D noise without perlinmaps. so with roughly 1s per mapchunk you requested 100 hours of solid mapgen, i'm not surprised you didn't see progress messages
08:05 Megaf          Good morning folks
08:24 agaran         hi Megaf
08:53 agaran         do I need some special magic to compile minetest in git tree to use checkout directory as target so I don't need to install it? (i want to have system installed minetest left intact)
09:04 red-001        set run_in_place to one?
09:06 Krock          yes, RUN_IN_PLACE in CMake will do that
09:17 agaran         thx
09:41 Foghrye4__     Hello everybody! Since when 3d person view was disabled in Minetest? And why?
09:43 Krock          it's not disabled
09:43 Krock          hit F7
09:43 Krock          (I assume you mean 3rd person view)
09:51 Foghrye4__     I wonder, how i can check my "F7" button on Ubuntu...
09:55 Krock          check it by pressing
09:56 Krock          there's also an ingame key setting window. Maybe it catches the F? keys too
09:56 Krock          there you can see if it's broken or not
09:58 Foghrye4__     Yep, F1-F12 are not working. Thank for advice.
09:59 Krock          np
10:17 Foghrye4       A friggin "office" buttton!
10:19 Guest53631     Oo
10:20 Foghrye4       What?
10:20 Guest53631     shadow: [23:46:43] <shadow> is there an oldest continuously running minetest world?
10:20 Guest53631     mine is around 4 years old, VanessaE has the oldest active server I think
10:21 Guest53631     [00:39:18] <kruug> sfan5: I issued /emergeblocks but I'm not getting a progress counter.  Thoughts?
10:21 Guest53631     what does emergeblocks do?
10:21 sfan5          hm
10:21 sfan5          maybe the progress counter is a recent change
10:21 sfan5          the build i compiled was 0.4.14, do you want a dev build?
10:26 Guest53631     sfan5: what does emergeblocks do?
10:26 sfan5          oh
10:26 Megaf          Hello, it's me
10:26 sfan5          generate the world
10:26 Krock          hello you
10:27 Megaf          sfan5: the whole thing?
10:27 Megaf          all 64Km squared?
10:28 Krock          if, then all 64km^3
10:28 Krock          but nobody could store that amount of data so this can't be
10:28 Megaf          I dont know the "squared" word for ^3
10:28 Krock          cubic
10:28 sfan5          Megaf: as much as you specify
10:29 sfan5          you specify two position
10:29 sfan5          it generates all mapblocks inbetween
10:29 sfan5          kruug: maybe the progress counter is a recent change; the build I compiled was 0.4.14, do you want a dev build?
10:30 Megaf          I wonder how large a fully generated world would be
10:30 Krock          sfan5, he selected a too big area: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2016-10-15#i_4724760
10:31 Krock          paramat already explained why there's no progress
10:31 sfan5          i though progress happens every second
10:31 sfan5          or does it only happen every 100 mapblocks
10:31 sfan5          ?
10:31 Krock          good question
10:32 Krock          all two seconds by Lua
10:33 Krock          but what if the emergeblock function blocks Lua? I don't know if it runs in a seperate thread
10:34 Krock          hi aix
10:34 aix            hello Krock
10:37 agaran         good afternoon
10:42 sfan5          hm
10:54 MinetestBot    02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Make documentation about ItemStack:set_{name,count,wear} clearer 139a3129d https://git.io/vP6ci (152016-10-15T12:42:59+02:00)
11:19 agaran         Krock: do you know which mod contained stone ladders? looking like footsteps engraved/cut in stone?
11:22 Krock          agaran, no idea. I've looked through some stone mods and decoration ones but wasn't able to find it
11:30 agaran         I must remind where I saw it..
11:31 Krock          maybe it was a steel ladder
11:31 agaran         no, I am sure it was not, I'll find it..
11:51 red-002        how do you kill a ghost nick?
11:56 agaran         if you have it registered it is easy.. else just write some messages to ghost in priv, usually that causes timeout fast
11:58 Krock          !tell red-001 /ns ghost <nick> <pass>
11:58 MinetestBot    Krock: I'll pass that on when red-001 is around
12:24 MinetestBot    red-001: Oct-15 11:58 UTC <Krock> /ns ghost <nick> <pass>
13:45 agaran         Krock: I am right you build few things there recently and updated sign?
13:45 Krock          I haven't built anything but updated the signs,yes
13:46 Krock          but I'm playing on another server right now, which is kinda amazing
13:46 Krock          Linux nerds everywhere but amazing :)
13:47 agaran         well 'normal people' then?
13:48 Krock          I think so, yes
13:53 agaran         Telesight: why on/off switch on your server for technic machines?
13:55 Telesight      @agaran If a player comes close to these machine they start working and that creates a lot of cpu load. So better turn it off ...
13:55 agaran         ah, so you turn them off to save on abm's?
13:57 Telesight      Yes, if you build a machine as a player and you are not there it uses cpu load if other players are in the neigbourhood ...
13:57 agaran         I see, I am just wandering there, thats why I asked
13:58 Telesight      Ok, that is my clarification ;-)
13:58 Telesight      Original name you have ;-)
13:58 agaran         nah, just test to see if I want to get my feet there or not
13:59 agaran         I like birds there
13:59 Telesight      And the planes ...? ;-)
13:59 agaran         I haven't see planes yet, no interreact means long walking only option
14:00 Telesight      And the cars then ?
14:00 agaran         cars looked neat though I am not that much into cars, I more like machinery building
14:01 agaran         but jungle there looks impressive too
14:01 Telesight      Ok  that is why the server is build, a lot of technology mods ...
14:02 Telesight      I have another server with lot of birds but no technology ;-)
14:02 agaran         it is first server where I saw birds, I saw other mobs but not birds
14:02 Telesight      REally?
14:03 agaran         yes
14:04 Telesight      Ok , then I have another server with birds but they spit fire in your neck ...
14:06 agaran         sounds like need to wear hardhat..
14:06 Telesight      Yes more or less extreme surviving ...
14:21 Telesight      @agaran More questions ...?
15:03 agaran         Telesight: well I'll wander more and if I decide to stay there a bit I'll ask for interact when I make proper account, ok?
15:03 Telesight      @agaran That is ok ...
15:03 agaran         Telesight: though all those machines make it.. tempting
15:04 Telesight      @agaran >255 mods ;-)
15:05 agaran         well I look mostly at machines'n stuff..
16:01 MinetestBot    02[git] 04t4im -> 03minetest/minetest: Travis: Only trigger a compile, when C/C++ related files were touched… 13adad6e0 https://git.io/vP6al (152016-10-15T17:59:23+02:00)
16:12 agaran         meh and now I found dungeontest game.. I WANT 48h of spare time per day
16:23 sfan5          anyone here have windows device with touch?
16:24 agaran         hmm if I manage to make tablet get past its bios (ie solder usb otg cable for keyboard) then I do..
16:24 red-001        windows devices with touch as in windows phones?
16:24 sfan5          no
16:24 sfan5          stuff like surface
16:24 agaran         win 10 that is
16:24 red-001        nopw
16:24 agaran         nope, sorry
16:24 red-001        nope*
16:27 Krock          very nope http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/nope.gif
16:28 Krock          I have a touch device with windows. It just doesn't react on my touches :(
16:28 Krock          agaran, same. My series must be watched somewhen and the time is by far not enough
16:48 shangul        hi
16:48 shangul        why mt.rbose.org is down for me?
16:49 Fixer-laptop   Krock: erased config and now it works, but insanely slow
16:49 Krock          eww no
16:49 Fixer-laptop   Krock: mipmap is a problem
16:49 Krock          !up mt.rbose.org
16:49 MinetestBot    mt.rbose.org:30000 is up (10ms)
16:50 Krock          shangul, bad connection
16:50 shangul        ok then problem with isp
16:50 shangul        thx
16:52 Fixer-laptop   Krock: with shaders - 4fps, without - 19fps
16:53 Krock          drivers up-to-date?
16:54 Fixer-laptop   Krock: up to LOL
16:55 Krock          lol
16:55 Out`Of`Control shangul: you get error on connect?
16:55 Fixer-laptop   8.15.10.2104
16:56 Fixer-laptop   mid 2012
17:16 Out`Of`Control shangul: yes
17:17 Fixer-laptop   default config, v_range 35
17:17 Fixer-laptop   0.4.13 - 28fps
17:17 twoelk         agaran: you may have seen stone stairs in ethereal such as on the Xanadu server
17:18 agaran         nope, I never got account on xanadu...
17:18 shangul        Out`Of`Control, hi
17:18 twoelk         well there are other servers using ethereal out there
17:19 twoelk         but anyways -> https://github.com/tenplus1/ethereal/blob/master/extra.lua#L142
17:20 shangul        !ping
17:20 Fixer-laptop   minetest-0.4.13-095f623-win32 - 27fps
17:20 shangul        !ping
17:21 shangul        Fixer-laptop, ping
17:22 Krock          o/ twoelk
17:22 Fixer-laptop   minetest-0.4.14-abb6fba-win32 - 22 fps
17:22 Krock          shangul, pong from Krock after <too long>
17:23 twoelk         \o Krock
17:23 shangul        :)
17:23 shangul        thx
17:23 shangul        MinetestBot, hi
17:23 shangul        MinetestBot, ping
17:23 Fixer-laptop   minetest-0.4.14-e1aa98f-win32 - 24fps
17:24 Fixer-laptop   minetest-0.4.14-win32 - 27fps
17:25 Fixer-laptop   that was with shaders on
17:25 Fixer-laptop   now without shaders
17:26 Fixer-laptop   minetest-0.4.13 - 33fps
17:27 Fixer-laptop   minetest-0.4.13-095f623-win32 - 62 fps
17:28 Fixer-laptop   minetest-0.4.14-abb6fba-win32- 60 fps
17:28 Fixer-laptop   minetest-0.4.14-e1aa98f-win32 - 65 fps
17:29 Krock          fix superfluous shaders!
17:29 Fixer-laptop   minetest-0.4.14-win32 - 62 fps
17:30 Fixer-laptop   will check newest sfan build
17:30 Fixer-laptop   you can already see huge difference
17:34 Fixer-laptop   minetest-0.4.14-09cefc3-win32 (latest) - 60 fps
17:35 Fixer-laptop   with shaders - 23 fps
17:35 Fixer-laptop   lol
17:35 Fixer-laptop   thats embaracing
17:35 Krock          time to turn my compiler on
17:35 Fixer-laptop   just with basic shader
17:36 Fixer-laptop   Krock: wanna compile smth for me?
17:36 Krock          Fixer-laptop, making a new build for everyone
17:38 Fixer-laptop   Krock: can you build 32bit build with PR4530 applied? for this testing I do now
17:38 Krock          ok, will do
17:38 Fixer-laptop   my config: https://i.imgur.com/Dwilg7v.png
17:39 Fixer-laptop   Krock: i need to see how PR 4530 helps with performance on this piece of crap, i had problems with 32 bit cross-compiling
17:39 Krock          patched files
17:39 Fixer-laptop   win7 32 bit
17:40 Fixer-laptop   opening imgur frozed entire laptop for 10 sec
17:40 Krock          started build from scratch
17:40 Fixer-laptop   thats horrific
17:40 Fixer-laptop   ucking site freezes entire laptop...
17:40 Fixer-laptop   thats garbage
17:40 Krock          I had system freezes that took longer, such that didn't end
17:41 Fixer-laptop   thats with 2gb of ram
17:41 Fixer-laptop   i have no idea wth those Mast. Monkey did to this laptop/imgur/windows whatever, it is SLOW
17:42 Fixer-laptop   i mean developers of windows or laptop
17:42 Fixer-laptop   or site
17:43 Fixer-laptop   Pentium M 2Ghz + 2GB should not be that slow?
17:43 Fixer-laptop   it does not swap
17:43 Fixer-laptop   but this bs hangs it
17:43 Fixer-laptop   firefox...
17:43 Krock          FYI: the PR "Make getPointedThing faster" won't be contain in the build I'm giving you in the next few minutes
17:44 Fixer-laptop   Krock: not a problem, I need SFS
17:45 Fixer-laptop   i have seen some slow downs on some sites on core i3, but this one is total freeze
17:47 Fixer-laptop   gonna make a move to another room
17:48 Krock          40s left
17:49 Krock          Fixer-laptop, https://www.dropbox.com/s/6i4iag5zuedz4tt/minetest_161015_adad6e0_SFS.7z?dl=0
17:51 Krock          aww shit. looks like I also bundled the new server search pull in it
17:51 Krock          forgot to undo that
17:52 Fixer-laptop   Krock: no problem
17:52 Krock          :)
17:52 Fixer-laptop   Krock: i need just singleplayer
17:54 Fixer-laptop   Krock: size seems small... something missing?
17:54 Krock          yes, MTG
17:54 sfan5          Fixer-laptop: if you need a build with some pr applied i can always make you some
17:55 Krock          Fixer-laptop, throwing the minimal game already does it
17:55 Fixer-laptop   sfan5: thanks, thats just for laptopcrap i have (32bit), i build 64 bit ones myself
17:58 Fixer-laptop   minetest_161015_adad6e0_SFS / no shaders / 63 fps
17:58 Calinou_       <Fixer-laptop> Pentium M 2Ghz + 2GB should not be that slow?
17:58 Calinou_       Pentiums M were a thing before laptops were actually snappy...
17:59 Calinou_       also, use uBlock Origin to make sites faster
17:59 Fixer-laptop   minetest_161015_adad6e0_SFS / shaders / 25 fps
17:59 Fixer-laptop   minetest_161015_adad6e0_SFS / shaders / 25 fps
17:59 Krock          not much difference
18:02 Fixer-laptop   Krock: thanks for your help
18:02 Krock          np
18:17 minetestusr    hi, i have a problem in windows 10 latest stable build, no text in menus
18:17 minetestusr    ideas?
18:19 Krock          check the black console window for error/warning messages
18:20 minetestusr    none
18:20 minetestusr    i have text in the server names, etc..
18:20 minetestusr    but al lthe tabs / and the first window are textless
18:21 twoelk         have you some obscure system language?  :-D
18:21 minetestusr    the windows language is english, but i have hebrew enabled
18:21 minetestusr    and it's the non-english locale
18:22 twoelk         maybe force language=en in the minetest.conf ?
18:23 minetestusr    ok, fixed the issue
18:23 minetestusr    i deleted locale/he and everything is ok
18:23 twoelk         so start a hebrew translation ;-P for the benefit of others
18:23 minetestusr    maybe this is related https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/910
18:24 minetestusr    this is not the issue
18:24 minetestusr    the issue is a terriable experience
18:24 minetestusr    there should be wrong text, or godo text, no no text
18:25 twoelk         what build did you use?
18:25 minetestusr    found the fix here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7394
18:25 minetestusr    0.4.14
18:26 twoelk         no, who compiled your minetest executable?
18:26 Krock          does it also happen with a recent -dev build?
18:26 Krock          twoelk, sfan did them
18:26 minetestusr    twoelk: good question... i d/led from th site
18:26 Krock          then stable ones
18:26 minetestusr    didn't try dev builds, are there precompiled version of them ?
18:26 twoelk         maybe a missing library, so compare different builds
18:27 Krock          minetestusr, yes. dev builds are meant to be already compiled
18:27 minetestusr    i used https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/download/0.4.14/minetest-0.4.14-win64.zip
18:27 minetestusr    linke me
18:28 Krock          nvm, there was no change in that area in newer versions
18:28 Krock          not required to test them
18:28 minetestusr    if you have an idea for me to check, tell me
18:28 minetestusr    but i was lucky enough to invest more than 5 min of being mad and almost deleting this, i'm sure other find this experience bad
18:30 Krock          oh I'd have another idea
18:30 Krock          restore that locale folder
18:31 Krock          just to see if it's a font issue, add the line "   font_path = C:\windows\fonts\tahoma.ttf   " to your minetes.conf file
18:31 minetestusr    sec
18:31 Krock          but the fallback font should actually support all languages
18:31 minetestusr    also nice that minetest.conf is not windows-newline (for opening in notepad in windows)
18:32 Krock          yes, thus, install Notepad++
18:32 Krock          that's much better than any other M$ editor
18:32 minetestusr    maybe windows builds should unix2dos :)
18:32 minetestusr    i'm using sublime text
18:32 twoelk         use wordpad
18:33 Krock          or firefox: open the inspector, add line and save page as.... err
18:33 minetestusr    ok, the font file made the text show up i nhebrew
18:33 minetestusr    but it's all LTR instead of RTL
18:33 Krock          oh really?
18:33 minetestusr    so it's half-way
18:34 Krock          then better switch back to english, that must be unreadable
18:34 Fixer_         minetestusr: do you have github account? can you create an issue for minetest about hebrew problems?
18:34 Krock          It's an issue about the DroidSansFallback font
18:35 Krock          LTR issue is another thing I think
18:35 Fixer_         minetestusr: nevermind, i will post it myself
18:38 minetestusr    k
18:38 minetestusr    you can test is yourself
18:38 minetestusr    just put hebrew locale in your windows
18:38 minetestusr    (my UI is still english)
18:39 minetestusr    do other languages like arab work ok ?
18:39 Krock          japanese seems to be a problem too. However, it could be tested by changing the language setting
18:40 Calinou_       I don't think RTL is supported in Irrlicht?
18:42 minetestusr    if so, why put RTL locales ?
18:43 Krock          because gettext supports it and some guys that do translations never played minetest
18:45 minetestusr    maybe it's best for now to disable or remot eRTL locales
18:50 Fixer_         Calinou_: using adblock and noscript on it, but the freeze, it was unusable for 10 sec, nothing responded
18:51 Calinou_       Fixer_: "classic" AdBlock is slower
18:51 Calinou_       (or AdBlock Plus)
18:51 Calinou_       uBlock Origin really is faster, and uses less RAM
18:52 minetestusr    uBlock Origin is the best
18:52 minetestusr    btw, does minetest use iconv ?
18:53 Krock          I had to fill in an include path for it while setting up my build environment, so I think yes
18:54 minetestusr    because i think ICONV can fix RTL issues
18:56 minetestusr    you should do all the UI as HTML5 in webkit :)
19:02 minetestusr    or maybe it's actually ICU
19:03 Krock          ICU is a TLA
19:04 minetestusr    http://icu-project.org/apiref/icu4c/ubidi_8h.html
19:04 minetestusr    what is TLA ?
19:04 Krock          a TLA is a TLA
19:04 Krock          a Three Letter Acronym
19:04 minetestusr    i think ubidi has a function that you give it text and it properly mirrors the RTL stuff
19:04 garywhite      I tried to run MT in my VM and it says not a valid Win32 application, and I go "What?" then I realize "Wait, all my copies are x64"
19:04 Krock          RTL is a TLA too :3
19:05 Krock          garywhite, have fun compiling them for x86 or download it again :3
19:08 minetestusr    fribidi might be another portable way https://cgit.freedesktop.org/fribidi/fribidi/tree/bin/fribidi-benchmark.c
19:10 Calinou_       <minetestusr> you should do all the UI as HTML5 in webkit :)
19:10 Calinou_       haha, not gonna happen
19:10 Calinou_       fribidi is LGPL
19:10 Calinou_       we can use it, but not everyone is going to like it
19:11 garywhite      I redownloaded the 32-bit portable
19:12 garywhite      I also have to install the drivers for my Intel graphics chip so I can run this thing
19:14 est31          minetest is LGPL too, no?
19:15 Krock          LGPL 2.1
19:15 Krock          not compatible with LGPL 3, if fribidi would use that version
19:15 est31          minetest is LGPL 2.1+
19:16 Krock          I thought it was fixed to 2.1 due to the change in v3
19:16 est31          ?
19:16 est31          either way, seems fribidi is actually LGPL 2.1
19:17 Krock          ah nvm. "either version 2.1 of the License, or (at your option) any later version." - from the readme file of minetest/minetest
19:17 Krock          sorry for the trouble :3
19:18 sfan5          minetestusr: does this look correct? http://i.imgur.com/MdSTPDs.png
19:18 Fixer_         sfan5: this looks like hebrew for sure
19:19 sfan5          i'm not asking about that, i know what hebrew looks like
19:19 Fixer_         ok
19:19 sfan5          more in the sense of reading direction
19:22 twoelk         hm, delete and play only differ in one letter :-D
19:24 sfan5          hm
19:30 minetestusr    sfan5: thats LTR
19:30 minetestusr    i.e. wrong
19:31 minetestusr    what about ICU's license ?
19:31 sfan5          then it doesn't make sense to support hebrew like this anyway
19:31 minetestusr    sfan5: i think ICU has a function where you give it an RTL text, and it fixes it to LTR
19:31 minetestusr    in the ubidi api
19:32 minetestusr    sfan5: i persume other RTL languages have this isuse as well
19:33 sfan5          hm
19:33 sfan5          maybe we also have arabic
19:33 sfan5          i don't think we have any others
19:34 minetestusr    i think you should still post an updated version which removes those RTL locales..
19:34 minetestusr    (altough maybe this works well in other platforms)
19:35 Calinou_       we aren't going to release 0.4.15 just for this :P
19:35 minetestusr    btw, this can be an issue if in chat someone talks in RTL languages
19:35 minetestusr    Calinou_: well... bad user experience for a small portion of the users
19:35 Calinou_       I too wish Minetest had more frequent releases
19:35 Calinou_       except it's not the case
19:35 Calinou_       just like every open source game out there
19:37 sfan5          Calinou_: well we *can* change the zip files and remove locale/he
19:37 Calinou_       that changes the checksums :(
19:38 sfan5          who checks the checksums of the windows package?
19:38 Calinou_       scripts?
19:38 sfan5          like where?
19:38 swift110       hey
19:38 sfan5          i can understand distros checking the source code
19:38 est31          its not really good behaviour
19:38 sfan5          checksum
19:38 est31          to update an old release
19:38 sfan5          but the windows packages?
19:38 est31          build section in the forum?
19:39 est31          thats what its there for
19:39 twoelk         easiest may be to edit the download page to add a warning :-D
19:39 est31          for builds of minetest
19:39 sfan5          i know i know
19:39 sfan5          though it's not exactly good when you download some software and all buttons are empty
19:39 minetestusr    small israeli kids wont read those :/
19:40 sfan5          0.4.15 will be released soonâ„¢ anyway
19:40 est31          yes
19:40 sfan5          well in about 2 months
19:40 twoelk         still winter solistic?
19:40 est31          if we want to make an official release, we should do a patch release instead
19:41 est31          it doesnt have to be called 0.4.14.1 we can call it 0.4.15 as well
19:41 est31          take 0.4.14, branch it off there, do the fixes, call the result 0.4.15
19:41 est31          done
19:42 twoelk         *solstice
19:42 est31          obviously master has to merge that branch in otherwise dev builds will continue to be called 0.4.14-dev
19:43 sfan5          sounds complicated
19:43 sfan5          why not just rebase the last 245 commits?
19:43 * twoelk       is confused
19:43 sfan5          /s
19:44 est31          hehe
19:44 est31          well idk, maybe just put a warning to the page with a link to a fixed build
19:45 est31          download page*
19:46 est31          just manually adding fixes to the exe on a download page... idk, that's not really how it should be
19:47 est31          its one step away from what you proposed :)
19:49 swift110       hmm
19:51 minetestusr    ok, i found a small snippet that you can use
19:52 redblade       will 0.4.14.1 include changes up to now, like the protection against jungle tree griefing?
19:52 minetestusr    http://pastebin.com/WyCPS3TU <-- this is a code which uses ICU which should show proper RTL
19:52 redblade       or do i have to use dev code util 0.4.15
19:52 Krock          minetestusr, join #minetest-dev and see what they say
19:53 sfan5          minetestusr: due to reasons you can't talk in there
19:53 minetestusr    ahh, so can you paste it there ?
19:53 Krock          ah right. you'll need a proper client to chat
19:54 sfan5          please switch to e.g. https://kiwiirc.com/
19:54 minetestusr    huh, first time i hear of that
19:54 minetestusr    anyhow, if someone here would be kind to raise this in the #dev chat, that would be nice
19:55 sfan5          we're aware of the issue
19:55 sfan5          but it would be better if you just switch to a different client
19:55 sfan5          so you can discuss and not just watch
19:56 red-001        isn't making a release as simple as making sure there are no new game breaking bugs and increasing the version number?
19:56 minetestusr    why doe sthe ir cclient matter btw ?
19:56 red-001        or am I missing something?
19:56 * red-001      knowns nothing about how the minetest release process works
19:57 garywhite      Please keep an eye out on servers for a player by the name of Surpris. He was caught on ThePixelShadow creative server asking for personal information such as telephone number, so we suspect it may be a predatorial situation. If you see him, please keep an eye on him
19:57 red-001        would you have an ip address?
19:59 redblade       hi garywhite
19:59 sfan5          minetestusr: we used to receive lots of abuse from webchat clients in -dev
19:59 red-001        that could help id him if he uses a diffrent name
20:00 redblade       garywhite: you run pixelshadow right?
20:00 garywhite      Hi redblade
20:00 garywhite      No, but I am a moderator there
20:00 garywhite      RobbieF runs ThePixelShadow
20:01 redblade       i dont see a Surpris as having logged on to my server, msg me the IP and i'll see if he joined under other names
20:02 redblade       or notice
20:02 garywhite      We don't have the IP as of right now, RobbieF has to check the logs
20:03 redblade       btw just saying here, in about 2 1/2 hours, i will be back and shut down my server (the creative gardens) for a few days as i do vps os upgrades
20:04 sfan5          upgrading the os takes a few days? o.O
20:04 redblade       i will try and get it up by monday but no promises
20:04 redblade       well i'm wiping it clean
20:06 redblade       plus the vps i use likes to make an extremely limited version of the os i use (slackware) and so i will have to install a dozen packages, and because slackware is bare-bones anyway i will need to compile more
20:06 redblade       the vps provider likes to install libraries without all the other libraries they need to "save space"
20:08 redblade       that's why i'm doing it now instead of when slackware 14.2 was released last summer, because of this "limited image" the provider gives us
20:08 redblade       most users on the forum appear to be happy with the idea though
20:08 redblade       not me
20:09 redblade       i've also put it off for a few days, just to let everyone know in advance instead of shutting it down right away
20:09 redblade       but i shouldn't have a problem setting up by monday
20:10 redblade       i just say "up to a week" just in case
20:10 redblade       s/the forum/their forum
20:11 minetestusr    ahh, slackware :/
20:12 redblade       minetestusr: no nasty systemd or reliance on other people's repositories makes it great for servers
20:13 redblade       14.2 added some replacement for udev i dont know much about it as i havent used it on my desktop linux computer in months (i use xubuntu at home)
20:14 minetestusr    you can use ubuntu 14.04
20:14 minetestusr    it's LTS
20:14 redblade       but slackware 14.2 was released after 3 years of nagging and packages not compiling because it was too old so it better be good :)
20:14 Out`Of`Control can i read logs of dev channel?
20:14 redblade       i dont really want something complex on a vps
20:15 Fixer_         y
20:15 redblade       because if i'm not using a gui slackware is so much easier
20:16 redblade       slackware is masochistic when it comes to things like video playback, but fpr servers it's very simple
20:16 redblade       just put in your own iptables and it works
20:17 redblade       or, /etc/rc.d/rc.whatever start/restart/stop instead of worrying about systemd
20:18 redblade       that's what makes slackware so much better for simple situations
20:18 redblade       and you can prevent stuff from starting just by removing the execute bit on rc.whatever
20:19 minetestusr    ubuntu server has no gui as well
20:19 redblade       wait are you talking about ubuntu server?
20:19 redblade       no i'm talking about how using slackware is easier when running it on a server, as opposed to a desktop
20:19 redblade       on a desktop or laptop for your home, ubuntu is easier
20:20 redblade       actually ubuntu is a bitch since they put in that windows 8 giant atm machine look
20:20 redblade       i stick with xfce or kde
20:20 BrandonReese   I don't miss Slackware :)
20:20 redblade       there's nothing to miss it's still around
20:21 redblade       it rarely releases new versions, usually once a year (or the last one took 3 years) but there's nothing wrong with it
20:21 BrandonReese   I used to use it, that was back 2005-2006 then I discovered Ubuntu and suddenly I didn't have to compile EVERYTHING :)
20:22 BrandonReese   No there's nothing wrong with it, it was just hard to try to use day to day. But you're right it would be better on a server than trying to use it as a desktop os.
20:22 minetestusr    ubuntu-server is just no gui
20:22 redblade       i used it as a desktop os for years since i prefer to compile things than rely on outdated or unofficial versions from repositories
20:22 BrandonReese   fair enough
20:23 redblade       but it just got too annoying for a desktop (in terms of watching videos, etc)
20:23 redblade       times changed
20:23 redblade       it only added pulseaudio with this version (14.2 this summer)
20:24 redblade       it rejected pulseaudio for so long
20:24 redblade       there was one other thing they fought against for so long, i cant think of it
20:24 redblade       networkmanager, was added around 5-10 years ago
20:25 redblade       anyway i have to go. be back in 1/2 to 2 hours or so
20:25 redblade       1 1/2
20:26 redblade       bye
20:26 minetestusr    linux... atleast you have tons of wars, unlike windows :)/
20:27 garywhite      bye
20:27 redblade       i found this video, before i go, minetestusr
20:27 redblade       i dont know anything about the show but it's funny
20:27 Krock          this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
20:27 redblade       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5WW7JOBSjg
20:28 minetestusr    yeah, gr8 show
20:28 minetestusr    gr8 episode
20:28 redblade       no and i have to go i cant watch it yet
20:28 garywhite      Krock rick rolled us
20:29 minetestusr    dont you know rickroll url by heart already ?
20:29 Krock          it ends with Q, that's all I know :3
20:31 red-001        I know it ends in Q because I know Krock knows it ends in Q
20:31 red-001        so I guess I avoided watching the greatest song of all time?
20:31 minetestusr    anyhow, someone on github did a tab / spaces check because of that episode
20:33 minetestusr    https://medium.com/@hoffa/400-000-github-repositories-1-billion-files-14-terabytes-of-code-spaces-or-tabs-7cfe0b5dd7fd#.5f4wa5mks
20:33 minetestusr    redblade: check that :)
20:34 Krock          a yay for go
20:36 red-001        wow I didn't know so many people prefer spaces
20:36 red-001        aren't tabs faster to write?
20:36 Krock          me neither. these guys must be punished
20:36 minetestusr    the IDE makes the spaces auto
20:36 red-001        or do people bind tab to spaces???
20:36 minetestusr    yep
20:37 Krock          minetestusr, that can be configured
20:37 Krock          I've done that with my IDE right after I've installed it. Tabs are much better
20:37 red-001        go looksw like a nice langauge
20:37 red-001        100% tabs
20:39 minetestusr    it is enforce
20:39 minetestusr    tabs take less space :)
20:43 red-001        I need a plugin that replaces vim vs emacs with cat vs echo
20:47 shadow         Megaf: thanks for the info :)  which server is yours?
21:03 nm0i           https://www.emacswiki.org/pics/static/TabsSpacesBoth.png
21:07 red-001        that comic could be adapded for some many other things
21:14 nm0i           "tabs vs spaces" vs "people that actually have to press any buttons for ident"
21:19 Megaf          shadow:
21:19 Megaf          !server Megaf
21:19 MinetestBot    Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
21:19 Megaf          there
21:24 nm0i           o/, Megaf.
21:25 Megaf          Hey nm0i. Hows it going?
21:26 nm0i           Usual. Banned a lot of kids today. Just like yesterday. And the day before that. You?
21:26 Megaf          shadow: if you happen to join the server and like it, then you can meet some of the players at #MegafServer. The server itself connects there.
21:27 Megaf          shadow: I also recommend LinuxGaming server and Red Cat server
21:27 Megaf          I havent been to too many servers myself. But I like those
21:27 Megaf          and Xanadu :)
21:33 shadow         Megaf: :)
21:50 shadow         !server RedKitten
21:50 MinetestBot    shadow: No results
22:21 PsychoVision   !server Redcat
22:21 MinetestBot    PsychoVision: No results
22:21 PsychoVision   !server redcat
22:21 MinetestBot    PsychoVision: No results
22:21 PsychoVision   !server RedCat
22:21 MinetestBot    PsychoVision: No results
22:23 PsychoVision   !server red cat
22:23 MinetestBot    PsychoVision: Red Cat Creative | 51.254.216.93 | Clients: 14/30, 12/21 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 7ms
22:29 shadow         lulbuscuits
22:38 Megaf          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4
22:38 Megaf          !title
22:38 MinetestBot    Megaf: Nyan Cat [original] - YouTube
22:40 Megaf          I remember when I saw that for the first time and my then first girlfriend was crazy about the nyan cat and pretty much everyone else on the internet and i was like, really? Common!
22:40 Megaf          We saw that on it's own website actually
22:42 shadow         reminds me of the leeks swinging meme
22:47 whitephoenix   Anyone know why minetestserver --terminal complains about no name set in minetest.conf even though there is?
22:48 whitephoenix   I even have all the admin privs
22:53 redblade       back home
22:54 nm0i           Megaf: https://github.com/klange/nyancat
22:54 Megaf          nyam cat in fact was so viral that we have it in Minetest :)
22:55 nm0i           Yeah. I think I should disable it... Its mosltly used to build ugly floating platforms.
22:55 whitephoenix   you guys think this warrants a bug report?
22:55 whitephoenix   it only complains if I try to do minetestserver with --terminal
22:56 Megaf          @beryllium:~$ apt-cache search nyancat
22:56 Megaf          nyancat - Animated terminal Nyancat
22:56 Megaf          lol
23:02 Megaf          This is amazing http://nyancat.dakko.us/
23:11 Jordach        http://i.imgur.com/TzDi0dd.png
23:11 Jordach        neat
23:41 Megaf          it could have a midi track built in
23:43 Megaf          I found one midi from the interwebs http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/GitPaste/raw/master/nyan%20cat.mid
23:45 * Jordach      feels like rendering something with even more difficulty
23:45 Megaf          Oh my, look at that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCe2bTtKCJg
23:45 Megaf          !title
23:45 MinetestBot    Megaf: Take On Me - NSP - YouTube
23:45 Megaf          never seen the videoclip before
23:46 Megaf          hold on, that's new thing
23:47 Megaf          that's weird indeed
23:48 swift110       sup guys
23:49 Megaf          hey mman
23:50 Megaf          I mean, if you are man