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00:28 garywhite Here's the link as I said earlier https://susestudio.com/a/y​K21Gq/whiteos-home-edition
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00:46 kruug (5000, 1000, 5000) (-5000, -1000, -5000) was what I gave it
00:47 kruug that way I'm guaranteed to never run into an edge
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05:14 paramat kruug that's rather big, 390,625 mapchunks. better to do multiple smaller volumes
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06:00 paramat i looked at technic worldgen, it uses lua voxelmanip and 3D noise without perlinmaps. so with roughly 1s per mapchunk you requested 100 hours of solid mapgen, i'm not surprised you didn't see progress messages
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08:05 Megaf Good morning folks
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08:24 agaran hi Megaf
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08:53 agaran do I need some special magic to compile minetest in git tree to use checkout directory as target so I don't need to install it? (i want to have system installed minetest left intact)
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09:04 red-001 set run_in_place to one?
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09:06 Krock yes, RUN_IN_PLACE in CMake will do that
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09:17 agaran thx
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09:41 Foghrye4__ Hello everybody! Since when 3d person view was disabled in Minetest? And why?
09:43 Krock it's not disabled
09:43 Krock hit F7
09:43 Krock (I assume you mean 3rd person view)
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09:51 Foghrye4__ I wonder, how i can check my "F7" button on Ubuntu...
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09:55 Krock check it by pressing
09:56 Krock there's also an ingame key setting window. Maybe it catches the F? keys too
09:56 Krock there you can see if it's broken or not
09:58 Foghrye4__ Yep, F1-F12 are not working. Thank for advice.
09:59 Krock np
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10:17 Foghrye4 A friggin "office" buttton!
10:19 Guest53631 Oo
10:20 Foghrye4 What?
10:20 Guest53631 shadow: [23:46:43] <shadow> is there an oldest continuously running minetest world?
10:20 Guest53631 mine is around 4 years old, VanessaE has the oldest active server I think
10:21 Guest53631 [00:39:18] <kruug> sfan5: I issued /emergeblocks but I'm not getting a progress counter.  Thoughts?
10:21 Guest53631 what does emergeblocks do?
10:21 sfan5 hm
10:21 sfan5 maybe the progress counter is a recent change
10:21 sfan5 the build i compiled was 0.4.14, do you want a dev build?
10:26 Guest53631 sfan5: what does emergeblocks do?
10:26 sfan5 oh
10:26 Megaf Hello, it's me
10:26 sfan5 generate the world
10:26 Krock hello you
10:27 Megaf sfan5: the whole thing?
10:27 Megaf all 64Km squared?
10:28 Krock if, then all 64km^3
10:28 Krock but nobody could store that amount of data so this can't be
10:28 Megaf I dont know the "squared" word for ^3
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10:28 Krock cubic
10:28 sfan5 Megaf: as much as you specify
10:29 sfan5 you specify two position
10:29 sfan5 it generates all mapblocks inbetween
10:29 sfan5 kruug: maybe the progress counter is a recent change; the build I compiled was 0.4.14, do you want a dev build?
10:30 Megaf I wonder how large a fully generated world would be
10:30 Krock sfan5, he selected a too big area: http://irc.minetest.net/min​etest/2016-10-15#i_4724760
10:31 Krock paramat already explained why there's no progress
10:31 sfan5 i though progress happens every second
10:31 sfan5 or does it only happen every 100 mapblocks
10:31 sfan5 ?
10:31 Krock good question
10:32 Krock all two seconds by Lua
10:33 Krock but what if the emergeblock function blocks Lua? I don't know if it runs in a seperate thread
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10:34 Krock hi aix
10:34 aix hello Krock
10:37 agaran good afternoon
10:42 sfan5 hm
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10:54 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Make documentation about ItemStack:set_{name,count,wear} clearer 9a3129d https://git.io/vP6ci (2016-10-15T12:42:59+02:00)
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11:19 agaran Krock: do you know which mod contained stone ladders? looking like footsteps engraved/cut in stone?
11:22 Krock agaran, no idea. I've looked through some stone mods and decoration ones but wasn't able to find it
11:30 agaran I must remind where I saw it..
11:31 Krock maybe it was a steel ladder
11:31 agaran no, I am sure it was not, I'll find it..
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11:51 red-002 how do you kill a ghost nick?
11:56 agaran if you have it registered it is easy.. else just write some messages to ghost in priv, usually that causes timeout fast
11:58 Krock !tell red-001 /ns ghost <nick> <pass>
11:58 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when red-001 is around
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12:24 MinetestBot red-001: Oct-15 11:58 UTC <Krock> /ns ghost <nick> <pass>
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13:45 agaran Krock: I am right you build few things there recently and updated sign?
13:45 Krock I haven't built anything but updated the signs,yes
13:46 Krock but I'm playing on another server right now, which is kinda amazing
13:46 Krock Linux nerds everywhere but amazing :)
13:47 agaran well 'normal people' then?
13:48 Krock I think so, yes
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13:53 agaran Telesight: why on/off switch on your server for technic machines?
13:55 Telesight @agaran If a player comes close to these machine they start working and that creates a lot of cpu load. So better turn it off ...
13:55 agaran ah, so you turn them off to save on abm's?
13:57 Telesight Yes, if you build a machine as a player and you are not there it uses cpu load if other players are in the neigbourhood ...
13:57 agaran I see, I am just wandering there, thats why I asked
13:58 Telesight Ok, that is my clarification ;-)
13:58 Telesight Original name you have ;-)
13:58 agaran nah, just test to see if I want to get my feet there or not
13:59 agaran I like birds there
13:59 Telesight And the planes ...? ;-)
13:59 agaran I haven't see planes yet, no interreact means long walking only option
14:00 Telesight And the cars then ?
14:00 agaran cars looked neat though I am not that much into cars, I more like machinery building
14:01 agaran but jungle there looks impressive too
14:01 Telesight Ok  that is why the server is build, a lot of technology mods ...
14:02 Telesight I have another server with lot of birds but no technology ;-)
14:02 agaran it is first server where I saw birds, I saw other mobs but not birds
14:02 Telesight REally?
14:03 agaran yes
14:04 Telesight Ok , then I have another server with birds but they spit fire in your neck ...
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14:06 agaran sounds like need to wear hardhat..
14:06 Telesight Yes more or less extreme surviving ...
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14:21 Telesight @agaran More questions ...?
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15:03 agaran Telesight: well I'll wander more and if I decide to stay there a bit I'll ask for interact when I make proper account, ok?
15:03 Telesight @agaran That is ok ...
15:03 agaran Telesight: though all those machines make it.. tempting
15:04 Telesight @agaran >255 mods ;-)
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15:05 agaran well I look mostly at machines'n stuff..
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16:01 MinetestBot [git] t4im -> minetest/minetest: Travis: Only trigger a compile, when C/C++ related files were touched… adad6e0 https://git.io/vP6al (2016-10-15T17:59:23+02:00)
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16:12 agaran meh and now I found dungeontest game.. I WANT 48h of spare time per day
16:23 sfan5 anyone here have windows device with touch?
16:24 agaran hmm if I manage to make tablet get past its bios (ie solder usb otg cable for keyboard) then I do..
16:24 red-001 windows devices with touch as in windows phones?
16:24 sfan5 no
16:24 sfan5 stuff like surface
16:24 agaran win 10 that is
16:24 red-001 nopw
16:24 agaran nope, sorry
16:24 red-001 nope*
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16:27 Krock very nope http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/nope.gif
16:28 Krock I have a touch device with windows. It just doesn't react on my touches :(
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16:28 Krock agaran, same. My series must be watched somewhen and the time is by far not enough
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16:48 shangul hi
16:48 shangul why mt.rbose.org is down for me?
16:49 Fixer-laptop Krock: erased config and now it works, but insanely slow
16:49 Krock eww no
16:49 Fixer-laptop Krock: mipmap is a problem
16:49 Krock !up mt.rbose.org
16:49 MinetestBot mt.rbose.org:30000 is up (10ms)
16:50 Krock shangul, bad connection
16:50 shangul ok then problem with isp
16:50 shangul thx
16:52 Fixer-laptop Krock: with shaders - 4fps, without - 19fps
16:53 Krock drivers up-to-date?
16:54 Fixer-laptop Krock: up to LOL
16:55 Krock lol
16:55 Out`Of`Control shangul: you get error on connect?
16:55 Fixer-laptop 8.15.10.2104
16:56 Fixer-laptop mid 2012
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17:16 Out`Of`Control shangul: yes
17:17 Fixer-laptop default config, v_range 35
17:17 Fixer-laptop 0.4.13 - 28fps
17:17 twoelk agaran: you may have seen stone stairs in ethereal such as on the Xanadu server
17:18 agaran nope, I never got account on xanadu...
17:18 shangul Out`Of`Control, hi
17:18 twoelk well there are other servers using ethereal out there
17:19 twoelk but anyways -> https://github.com/tenplus1/ethe​real/blob/master/extra.lua#L142
17:20 shangul !ping
17:20 Fixer-laptop minetest-0.4.13-095f623-win32 - 27fps
17:20 shangul !ping
17:21 shangul Fixer-laptop, ping
17:22 Krock o/ twoelk
17:22 Fixer-laptop minetest-0.4.14-abb6fba-win32 - 22 fps
17:22 Krock shangul, pong from Krock after <too long>
17:23 twoelk \o Krock
17:23 shangul :)
17:23 shangul thx
17:23 shangul MinetestBot, hi
17:23 shangul MinetestBot, ping
17:23 Fixer-laptop minetest-0.4.14-e1aa98f-win32 - 24fps
17:24 Fixer-laptop minetest-0.4.14-win32 - 27fps
17:25 Fixer-laptop that was with shaders on
17:25 Fixer-laptop now without shaders
17:26 Fixer-laptop minetest-0.4.13 - 33fps
17:27 Fixer-laptop minetest-0.4.13-095f623-win32 - 62 fps
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17:28 Fixer-laptop minetest-0.4.14-abb6fba-win32- 60 fps
17:28 Fixer-laptop minetest-0.4.14-e1aa98f-win32 - 65 fps
17:29 Krock fix superfluous shaders!
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17:29 Fixer-laptop minetest-0.4.14-win32 - 62 fps
17:30 Fixer-laptop will check newest sfan build
17:30 Fixer-laptop you can already see huge difference
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17:34 Fixer-laptop minetest-0.4.14-09cefc3-win32 (latest) - 60 fps
17:35 Fixer-laptop with shaders - 23 fps
17:35 Fixer-laptop lol
17:35 Fixer-laptop thats embaracing
17:35 Krock time to turn my compiler on
17:35 Fixer-laptop just with basic shader
17:36 Fixer-laptop Krock: wanna compile smth for me?
17:36 Krock Fixer-laptop, making a new build for everyone
17:38 Fixer-laptop Krock: can you build 32bit build with PR4530 applied? for this testing I do now
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17:38 Krock ok, will do
17:38 Fixer-laptop my config: https://i.imgur.com/Dwilg7v.png
17:39 Fixer-laptop Krock: i need to see how PR 4530 helps with performance on this piece of crap, i had problems with 32 bit cross-compiling
17:39 Krock patched files
17:39 Fixer-laptop win7 32 bit
17:40 Fixer-laptop opening imgur frozed entire laptop for 10 sec
17:40 Krock started build from scratch
17:40 Fixer-laptop thats horrific
17:40 Fixer-laptop ucking site freezes entire laptop...
17:40 Fixer-laptop thats garbage
17:40 Krock I had system freezes that took longer, such that didn't end
17:41 Fixer-laptop thats with 2gb of ram
17:41 Fixer-laptop i have no idea wth those Mast. Monkey did to this laptop/imgur/windows whatever, it is SLOW
17:42 Fixer-laptop i mean developers of windows or laptop
17:42 Fixer-laptop or site
17:43 Fixer-laptop Pentium M 2Ghz + 2GB should not be that slow?
17:43 Fixer-laptop it does not swap
17:43 Fixer-laptop but this bs hangs it
17:43 Fixer-laptop firefox...
17:43 Krock FYI: the PR "Make getPointedThing faster" won't be contain in the build I'm giving you in the next few minutes
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17:44 Fixer-laptop Krock: not a problem, I need SFS
17:45 Fixer-laptop i have seen some slow downs on some sites on core i3, but this one is total freeze
17:47 Fixer-laptop gonna make a move to another room
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17:49 Krock Fixer-laptop, https://www.dropbox.com/s/6i4iag5zuedz4​tt/minetest_161015_adad6e0_SFS.7z?dl=0
17:51 Krock aww shit. looks like I also bundled the new server search pull in it
17:51 Krock forgot to undo that
17:52 Fixer-laptop Krock: no problem
17:52 Krock :)
17:52 Fixer-laptop Krock: i need just singleplayer
17:54 Fixer-laptop Krock: size seems small... something missing?
17:54 Krock yes, MTG
17:54 sfan5 Fixer-laptop: if you need a build with some pr applied i can always make you some
17:55 Krock Fixer-laptop, throwing the minimal game already does it
17:55 Fixer-laptop sfan5: thanks, thats just for laptopcrap i have (32bit), i build 64 bit ones myself
17:58 Fixer-laptop minetest_161015_adad6e0_SFS / no shaders / 63 fps
17:58 Calinou_ <Fixer-laptop> Pentium M 2Ghz + 2GB should not be that slow?
17:58 Calinou_ Pentiums M were a thing before laptops were actually snappy...
17:59 Calinou_ also, use uBlock Origin to make sites faster
17:59 Fixer-laptop minetest_161015_adad6e0_SFS / shaders / 25 fps
17:59 Fixer-laptop minetest_161015_adad6e0_SFS / shaders / 25 fps
17:59 Krock not much difference
18:02 Fixer-laptop Krock: thanks for your help
18:02 Krock np
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18:17 minetestusr hi, i have a problem in windows 10 latest stable build, no text in menus
18:17 minetestusr ideas?
18:19 Krock check the black console window for error/warning messages
18:20 minetestusr none
18:20 minetestusr i have text in the server names, etc..
18:20 minetestusr but al lthe tabs / and the first window are textless
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18:21 twoelk have you some obscure system language?  :-D
18:21 minetestusr the windows language is english, but i have hebrew enabled
18:21 minetestusr and it's the non-english locale
18:22 twoelk maybe force language=en in the minetest.conf ?
18:23 minetestusr ok, fixed the issue
18:23 minetestusr i deleted locale/he and everything is ok
18:23 twoelk so start a hebrew translation ;-P for the benefit of others
18:23 minetestusr maybe this is related https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/910
18:24 minetestusr this is not the issue
18:24 minetestusr the issue is a terriable experience
18:24 minetestusr there should be wrong text, or godo text, no no text
18:25 twoelk what build did you use?
18:25 minetestusr found the fix here https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=7394
18:25 minetestusr 0.4.14
18:26 twoelk no, who compiled your minetest executable?
18:26 Krock does it also happen with a recent -dev build?
18:26 Krock twoelk, sfan did them
18:26 minetestusr twoelk: good question... i d/led from th site
18:26 Krock then stable ones
18:26 minetestusr didn't try dev builds, are there precompiled version of them ?
18:26 twoelk maybe a missing library, so compare different builds
18:27 Krock minetestusr, yes. dev builds are meant to be already compiled
18:27 minetestusr i used https://github.com/minetest/minetest/release​s/download/0.4.14/minetest-0.4.14-win64.zip
18:27 minetestusr linke me
18:28 Krock nvm, there was no change in that area in newer versions
18:28 Krock not required to test them
18:28 minetestusr if you have an idea for me to check, tell me
18:28 minetestusr but i was lucky enough to invest more than 5 min of being mad and almost deleting this, i'm sure other find this experience bad
18:30 Krock oh I'd have another idea
18:30 Krock restore that locale folder
18:31 Krock just to see if it's a font issue, add the line "   font_path = C:\windows\fonts\tahoma.ttf   " to your minetes.conf file
18:31 minetestusr sec
18:31 Krock but the fallback font should actually support all languages
18:31 minetestusr also nice that minetest.conf is not windows-newline (for opening in notepad in windows)
18:32 Krock yes, thus, install Notepad++
18:32 Krock that's much better than any other M$ editor
18:32 minetestusr maybe windows builds should unix2dos :)
18:32 minetestusr i'm using sublime text
18:32 twoelk use wordpad
18:33 Krock or firefox: open the inspector, add line and save page as.... err
18:33 minetestusr ok, the font file made the text show up i nhebrew
18:33 minetestusr but it's all LTR instead of RTL
18:33 Krock oh really?
18:33 minetestusr so it's half-way
18:34 Krock then better switch back to english, that must be unreadable
18:34 Fixer_ minetestusr: do you have github account? can you create an issue for minetest about hebrew problems?
18:34 Krock It's an issue about the DroidSansFallback font
18:35 Krock LTR issue is another thing I think
18:35 Fixer_ minetestusr: nevermind, i will post it myself
18:38 minetestusr k
18:38 minetestusr you can test is yourself
18:38 minetestusr just put hebrew locale in your windows
18:38 minetestusr (my UI is still english)
18:39 minetestusr do other languages like arab work ok ?
18:39 Krock japanese seems to be a problem too. However, it could be tested by changing the language setting
18:40 Calinou_ I don't think RTL is supported in Irrlicht?
18:42 minetestusr if so, why put RTL locales ?
18:43 Krock because gettext supports it and some guys that do translations never played minetest
18:45 minetestusr maybe it's best for now to disable or remot eRTL locales
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18:50 Fixer_ Calinou_: using adblock and noscript on it, but the freeze, it was unusable for 10 sec, nothing responded
18:51 Calinou_ Fixer_: "classic" AdBlock is slower
18:51 Calinou_ (or AdBlock Plus)
18:51 Calinou_ uBlock Origin really is faster, and uses less RAM
18:52 minetestusr uBlock Origin is the best
18:52 minetestusr btw, does minetest use iconv ?
18:53 Krock I had to fill in an include path for it while setting up my build environment, so I think yes
18:54 minetestusr because i think ICONV can fix RTL issues
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18:56 minetestusr you should do all the UI as HTML5 in webkit :)
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19:02 minetestusr or maybe it's actually ICU
19:03 Krock ICU is a TLA
19:04 minetestusr http://icu-project.org/apiref/icu4c/ubidi_8h.html
19:04 minetestusr what is TLA ?
19:04 Krock a TLA is a TLA
19:04 Krock a Three Letter Acronym
19:04 minetestusr i think ubidi has a function that you give it text and it properly mirrors the RTL stuff
19:04 garywhite I tried to run MT in my VM and it says not a valid Win32 application, and I go "What?" then I realize "Wait, all my copies are x64"
19:04 Krock RTL is a TLA too :3
19:05 Krock garywhite, have fun compiling them for x86 or download it again :3
19:08 minetestusr fribidi might be another portable way https://cgit.freedesktop.org/fribidi/​fribidi/tree/bin/fribidi-benchmark.c
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19:10 Calinou_ <minetestusr> you should do all the UI as HTML5 in webkit :)
19:10 Calinou_ haha, not gonna happen
19:10 Calinou_ fribidi is LGPL
19:10 Calinou_ we can use it, but not everyone is going to like it
19:11 garywhite I redownloaded the 32-bit portable
19:12 garywhite I also have to install the drivers for my Intel graphics chip so I can run this thing
19:14 est31 minetest is LGPL too, no?
19:15 Krock LGPL 2.1
19:15 Krock not compatible with LGPL 3, if fribidi would use that version
19:15 est31 minetest is LGPL 2.1+
19:16 Krock I thought it was fixed to 2.1 due to the change in v3
19:16 est31 ?
19:16 est31 either way, seems fribidi is actually LGPL 2.1
19:17 Krock ah nvm. "either version 2.1 of the License, or (at your option) any later version." - from the readme file of minetest/minetest
19:17 Krock sorry for the trouble :3
19:18 sfan5 minetestusr: does this look correct? http://i.imgur.com/MdSTPDs.png
19:18 Fixer_ sfan5: this looks like hebrew for sure
19:19 sfan5 i'm not asking about that, i know what hebrew looks like
19:19 Fixer_ ok
19:19 sfan5 more in the sense of reading direction
19:22 twoelk hm, delete and play only differ in one letter :-D
19:24 sfan5 hm
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19:30 minetestusr sfan5: thats LTR
19:30 minetestusr i.e. wrong
19:31 minetestusr what about ICU's license ?
19:31 sfan5 then it doesn't make sense to support hebrew like this anyway
19:31 minetestusr sfan5: i think ICU has a function where you give it an RTL text, and it fixes it to LTR
19:31 minetestusr in the ubidi api
19:32 minetestusr sfan5: i persume other RTL languages have this isuse as well
19:33 sfan5 hm
19:33 sfan5 maybe we also have arabic
19:33 sfan5 i don't think we have any others
19:34 minetestusr i think you should still post an updated version which removes those RTL locales..
19:34 minetestusr (altough maybe this works well in other platforms)
19:35 Calinou_ we aren't going to release 0.4.15 just for this :P
19:35 minetestusr btw, this can be an issue if in chat someone talks in RTL languages
19:35 minetestusr Calinou_: well... bad user experience for a small portion of the users
19:35 Calinou_ I too wish Minetest had more frequent releases
19:35 Calinou_ except it's not the case
19:35 Calinou_ just like every open source game out there
19:37 sfan5 Calinou_: well we *can* change the zip files and remove locale/he
19:37 Calinou_ that changes the checksums :(
19:38 sfan5 who checks the checksums of the windows package?
19:38 Calinou_ scripts?
19:38 sfan5 like where?
19:38 swift110 hey
19:38 sfan5 i can understand distros checking the source code
19:38 est31 its not really good behaviour
19:38 sfan5 checksum
19:38 est31 to update an old release
19:38 sfan5 but the windows packages?
19:38 est31 build section in the forum?
19:39 est31 thats what its there for
19:39 twoelk easiest may be to edit the download page to add a warning :-D
19:39 est31 for builds of minetest
19:39 sfan5 i know i know
19:39 sfan5 though it's not exactly good when you download some software and all buttons are empty
19:39 minetestusr small israeli kids wont read those :/
19:40 sfan5 0.4.15 will be released soon™ anyway
19:40 est31 yes
19:40 sfan5 well in about 2 months
19:40 twoelk still winter solistic?
19:40 est31 if we want to make an official release, we should do a patch release instead
19:41 est31 it doesnt have to be called 0.4.14.1 we can call it 0.4.15 as well
19:41 est31 take 0.4.14, branch it off there, do the fixes, call the result 0.4.15
19:41 est31 done
19:42 twoelk *solstice
19:42 est31 obviously master has to merge that branch in otherwise dev builds will continue to be called 0.4.14-dev
19:43 sfan5 sounds complicated
19:43 sfan5 why not just rebase the last 245 commits?
19:43 * twoelk is confused
19:43 sfan5 /s
19:44 est31 hehe
19:44 est31 well idk, maybe just put a warning to the page with a link to a fixed build
19:45 est31 download page*
19:46 est31 just manually adding fixes to the exe on a download page... idk, that's not really how it should be
19:47 est31 its one step away from what you proposed :)
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19:49 swift110 hmm
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19:51 minetestusr ok, i found a small snippet that you can use
19:52 redblade will 0.4.14.1 include changes up to now, like the protection against jungle tree griefing?
19:52 minetestusr http://pastebin.com/WyCPS3TU <-- this is a code which uses ICU which should show proper RTL
19:52 redblade or do i have to use dev code util 0.4.15
19:52 Krock minetestusr, join #minetest-dev and see what they say
19:53 sfan5 minetestusr: due to reasons you can't talk in there
19:53 minetestusr ahh, so can you paste it there ?
19:53 Krock ah right. you'll need a proper client to chat
19:54 sfan5 please switch to e.g. https://kiwiirc.com/
19:54 minetestusr huh, first time i hear of that
19:54 minetestusr anyhow, if someone here would be kind to raise this in the #dev chat, that would be nice
19:55 sfan5 we're aware of the issue
19:55 sfan5 but it would be better if you just switch to a different client
19:55 sfan5 so you can discuss and not just watch
19:56 red-001 isn't making a release as simple as making sure there are no new game breaking bugs and increasing the version number?
19:56 minetestusr why doe sthe ir cclient matter btw ?
19:56 red-001 or am I missing something?
19:56 * red-001 knowns nothing about how the minetest release process works
19:57 garywhite Please keep an eye out on servers for a player by the name of Surpris. He was caught on ThePixelShadow creative server asking for personal information such as telephone number, so we suspect it may be a predatorial situation. If you see him, please keep an eye on him
19:57 red-001 would you have an ip address?
19:59 redblade hi garywhite
19:59 sfan5 minetestusr: we used to receive lots of abuse from webchat clients in -dev
19:59 red-001 that could help id him if he uses a diffrent name
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20:00 redblade garywhite: you run pixelshadow right?
20:00 garywhite Hi redblade
20:00 garywhite No, but I am a moderator there
20:00 garywhite RobbieF runs ThePixelShadow
20:01 redblade i dont see a Surpris as having logged on to my server, msg me the IP and i'll see if he joined under other names
20:02 redblade or notice
20:02 garywhite We don't have the IP as of right now, RobbieF has to check the logs
20:03 redblade btw just saying here, in about 2 1/2 hours, i will be back and shut down my server (the creative gardens) for a few days as i do vps os upgrades
20:04 sfan5 upgrading the os takes a few days? o.O
20:04 redblade i will try and get it up by monday but no promises
20:04 redblade well i'm wiping it clean
20:06 redblade plus the vps i use likes to make an extremely limited version of the os i use (slackware) and so i will have to install a dozen packages, and because slackware is bare-bones anyway i will need to compile more
20:06 redblade the vps provider likes to install libraries without all the other libraries they need to "save space"
20:08 redblade that's why i'm doing it now instead of when slackware 14.2 was released last summer, because of this "limited image" the provider gives us
20:08 redblade most users on the forum appear to be happy with the idea though
20:08 redblade not me
20:09 redblade i've also put it off for a few days, just to let everyone know in advance instead of shutting it down right away
20:09 redblade but i shouldn't have a problem setting up by monday
20:10 redblade i just say "up to a week" just in case
20:10 redblade s/the forum/their forum
20:11 minetestusr ahh, slackware :/
20:12 redblade minetestusr: no nasty systemd or reliance on other people's repositories makes it great for servers
20:13 redblade 14.2 added some replacement for udev i dont know much about it as i havent used it on my desktop linux computer in months (i use xubuntu at home)
20:14 minetestusr you can use ubuntu 14.04
20:14 minetestusr it's LTS
20:14 redblade but slackware 14.2 was released after 3 years of nagging and packages not compiling because it was too old so it better be good :)
20:14 Out`Of`Control can i read logs of dev channel?
20:14 redblade i dont really want something complex on a vps
20:15 Fixer_ y
20:15 redblade because if i'm not using a gui slackware is so much easier
20:16 redblade slackware is masochistic when it comes to things like video playback, but fpr servers it's very simple
20:16 redblade just put in your own iptables and it works
20:17 redblade or, /etc/rc.d/rc.whatever start/restart/stop instead of worrying about systemd
20:18 redblade that's what makes slackware so much better for simple situations
20:18 redblade and you can prevent stuff from starting just by removing the execute bit on rc.whatever
20:19 minetestusr ubuntu server has no gui as well
20:19 redblade wait are you talking about ubuntu server?
20:19 redblade no i'm talking about how using slackware is easier when running it on a server, as opposed to a desktop
20:19 redblade on a desktop or laptop for your home, ubuntu is easier
20:20 redblade actually ubuntu is a bitch since they put in that windows 8 giant atm machine look
20:20 redblade i stick with xfce or kde
20:20 BrandonReese I don't miss Slackware :)
20:20 redblade there's nothing to miss it's still around
20:21 redblade it rarely releases new versions, usually once a year (or the last one took 3 years) but there's nothing wrong with it
20:21 BrandonReese I used to use it, that was back 2005-2006 then I discovered Ubuntu and suddenly I didn't have to compile EVERYTHING :)
20:22 BrandonReese No there's nothing wrong with it, it was just hard to try to use day to day. But you're right it would be better on a server than trying to use it as a desktop os.
20:22 minetestusr ubuntu-server is just no gui
20:22 redblade i used it as a desktop os for years since i prefer to compile things than rely on outdated or unofficial versions from repositories
20:22 BrandonReese fair enough
20:23 redblade but it just got too annoying for a desktop (in terms of watching videos, etc)
20:23 redblade times changed
20:23 redblade it only added pulseaudio with this version (14.2 this summer)
20:24 redblade it rejected pulseaudio for so long
20:24 redblade there was one other thing they fought against for so long, i cant think of it
20:24 redblade networkmanager, was added around 5-10 years ago
20:25 redblade anyway i have to go. be back in 1/2 to 2 hours or so
20:25 redblade 1 1/2
20:26 redblade bye
20:26 minetestusr linux... atleast you have tons of wars, unlike windows :)/
20:27 garywhite bye
20:27 redblade i found this video, before i go, minetestusr
20:27 redblade i dont know anything about the show but it's funny
20:27 Krock this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
20:27 redblade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5WW7JOBSjg
20:28 minetestusr yeah, gr8 show
20:28 minetestusr gr8 episode
20:28 redblade no and i have to go i cant watch it yet
20:28 garywhite Krock rick rolled us
20:29 minetestusr dont you know rickroll url by heart already ?
20:29 Krock it ends with Q, that's all I know :3
20:31 red-001 I know it ends in Q because I know Krock knows it ends in Q
20:31 red-001 so I guess I avoided watching the greatest song of all time?
20:31 minetestusr anyhow, someone on github did a tab / spaces check because of that episode
20:33 minetestusr https://medium.com/@hoffa/400-000-github​-repositories-1-billion-files-14-terabyt​es-of-code-spaces-or-tabs-7cfe0b5dd7fd#.5f4wa5mks
20:33 minetestusr redblade: check that :)
20:34 Krock a yay for go
20:36 red-001 wow I didn't know so many people prefer spaces
20:36 red-001 aren't tabs faster to write?
20:36 Krock me neither. these guys must be punished
20:36 minetestusr the IDE makes the spaces auto
20:36 red-001 or do people bind tab to spaces???
20:36 minetestusr yep
20:37 Krock minetestusr, that can be configured
20:37 Krock I've done that with my IDE right after I've installed it. Tabs are much better
20:37 red-001 go looksw like a nice langauge
20:37 red-001 100% tabs
20:39 minetestusr it is enforce
20:39 minetestusr tabs take less space :)
20:43 red-001 I need a plugin that replaces vim vs emacs with cat vs echo
20:47 shadow Megaf: thanks for the info :)  which server is yours?
21:03 nm0i https://www.emacswiki.org/pi​cs/static/TabsSpacesBoth.png
21:07 red-001 that comic could be adapded for some many other things
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21:14 nm0i "tabs vs spaces" vs "people that actually have to press any buttons for ident"
21:19 Megaf shadow:
21:19 Megaf !server Megaf
21:19 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
21:19 Megaf there
21:24 nm0i o/, Megaf.
21:25 Megaf Hey nm0i. Hows it going?
21:26 nm0i Usual. Banned a lot of kids today. Just like yesterday. And the day before that. You?
21:26 Megaf shadow: if you happen to join the server and like it, then you can meet some of the players at #MegafServer. The server itself connects there.
21:27 Megaf shadow: I also recommend LinuxGaming server and Red Cat server
21:27 Megaf I havent been to too many servers myself. But I like those
21:27 Megaf and Xanadu :)
21:33 shadow Megaf: :)
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21:50 shadow !server RedKitten
21:50 MinetestBot shadow: No results
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22:21 PsychoVision !server Redcat
22:21 MinetestBot PsychoVision: No results
22:21 PsychoVision !server redcat
22:21 MinetestBot PsychoVision: No results
22:21 PsychoVision !server RedCat
22:21 MinetestBot PsychoVision: No results
22:23 PsychoVision !server red cat
22:23 MinetestBot PsychoVision: Red Cat Creative | 51.254.216.93 | Clients: 14/30, 12/21 | Version: 0.4.14 / minetest | Ping: 7ms
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22:29 shadow lulbuscuits
22:38 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4
22:38 Megaf !title
22:38 MinetestBot Megaf: Nyan Cat [original] - YouTube
22:40 Megaf I remember when I saw that for the first time and my then first girlfriend was crazy about the nyan cat and pretty much everyone else on the internet and i was like, really? Common!
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22:40 Megaf We saw that on it's own website actually
22:42 shadow reminds me of the leeks swinging meme
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22:47 whitephoenix Anyone know why minetestserver --terminal complains about no name set in minetest.conf even though there is?
22:48 whitephoenix I even have all the admin privs
22:53 redblade back home
22:54 nm0i Megaf: https://github.com/klange/nyancat
22:54 Megaf nyam cat in fact was so viral that we have it in Minetest :)
22:55 nm0i Yeah. I think I should disable it... Its mosltly used to build ugly floating platforms.
22:55 whitephoenix you guys think this warrants a bug report?
22:55 whitephoenix it only complains if I try to do minetestserver with --terminal
22:56 Megaf @beryllium:~$ apt-cache search nyancat
22:56 Megaf nyancat - Animated terminal Nyancat
22:56 Megaf lol
23:02 Megaf This is amazing http://nyancat.dakko.us/
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23:11 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/TzDi0dd.png
23:11 Jordach neat
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23:41 Megaf it could have a midi track built in
23:43 Megaf I found one midi from the interwebs http://git.megaf.info/Megaf/Git​Paste/raw/master/nyan%20cat.mid
23:45 * Jordach feels like rendering something with even more difficulty
23:45 Megaf Oh my, look at that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCe2bTtKCJg
23:45 Megaf !title
23:45 MinetestBot Megaf: Take On Me - NSP - YouTube
23:45 Megaf never seen the videoclip before
23:46 Megaf hold on, that's new thing
23:47 Megaf that's weird indeed
23:48 swift110 sup guys
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23:49 Megaf hey mman
23:50 Megaf I mean, if you are man

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