| Time |
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| 00:02 |
twoelk |
well trying to rebuild something in a virtual world already forces people to have a more in depth look at things |
| 00:02 |
twoelk |
you have to understand things to be able to recreate them |
| 00:02 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
Yeah, im thinking of how i can translate physical measurements from real life to minetest |
| 00:03 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
I have some ideas and been searching the forums |
| 00:03 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
just need to let information sink in and plan things |
| 00:03 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
I have at least two-three weeks to figure something out |
| 00:03 |
twoelk |
oops? srp? what client version are you using? |
| 00:03 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
let me cehck |
| 00:04 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
I'm using arch linux so i just grabbed it from the user repository |
| 00:04 |
twoelk |
the server runs on 0.4.13 |
| 00:04 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
same version |
| 00:04 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
minetest 0.4.13-2 |
| 00:05 |
twoelk |
might be someone else then that triggered that |
| 00:05 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
probably was me |
| 00:05 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
I can't connect lol |
| 00:05 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
:/ |
| 00:06 |
twoelk |
try a different name-password set |
| 00:07 |
twoelk |
oh wait I saw you for a sec |
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| 00:08 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
i just quit it because it was taking time |
| 00:08 |
* twoelk |
wonders whether his unallowed names rules are too strict |
| 00:09 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
ill try another name |
| 00:09 |
twoelk |
well once you have the media cache it should go faster |
| 00:09 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
your names are strict |
| 00:09 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
... |
| 00:09 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
lol |
| 00:09 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
im in as chaos |
| 00:11 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
so how do i talk in game? |
| 00:11 |
twoelk |
The Angkor Wat thread has some interesting adventures in the complex dimensions correctly world of trying to translate the |
| 00:11 |
twoelk |
type t |
| 00:11 |
DynamicMetaFlow |
thank you |
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hmmmm |
who is 'cg'? |
| 00:49 |
hmmmm |
I assume it's from this channel because I don't really talk much anywhere else |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
that's crazyginger72. |
| 00:49 |
hmmmm |
ohhhh |
| 00:49 |
hmmmm |
that nutjob who was yelling at me for some inane reason a couple months back |
| 00:49 |
hmmmm |
i vaguely remember that |
| 00:50 |
* VanessaE |
shrugs |
| 00:50 |
hmmmm |
she wanted to apologize or something |
| 00:50 |
hmmmm |
shrug. |
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blert2112 |
Display *x11display = XOpenDisplay(current_display); |
| 01:27 |
blert2112 |
oopz |
| 01:28 |
blert2112 |
Building this in Windows again is driving me nuts! |
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bkeys |
Hello, is anyone willing to help me forward the 30000 port on my server? I cannot quite figure out how to do it |
| 02:15 |
est31 |
bkeys, you have to forward the 30000 udp port |
| 02:15 |
est31 |
not tcp |
| 02:15 |
est31 |
thats usually the point :) |
| 02:15 |
est31 |
*problem |
| 02:15 |
bkeys |
I am not exactly a network guru but I certainly know my way around the bash shell |
| 02:15 |
bkeys |
Could you give me some commands perhaps? |
| 02:16 |
est31 |
dunno, depends on your distro |
| 02:16 |
est31 |
you even havent told me your OS |
| 02:16 |
bkeys |
My server is running CentOS 6 |
| 02:16 |
est31 |
there are unix ways to do it, but if you have e.g. NetworkManager you should use that |
| 02:17 |
bkeys |
Let me see if I can install it; it has no GUI whatsoever but I do not believe that will be a problem |
| 02:17 |
bkeys |
yum install NetworkManager? |
| 02:17 |
est31 |
so what's precisely the problem? usually if you run a service on your server, its public to the internet |
| 02:17 |
est31 |
nono dont install it just because of minetest |
| 02:18 |
VanessaE |
est31: I get the feeling he's running his minetestserver instance on a home PC |
| 02:18 |
bkeys |
It being based on red hat linux it probably has it installed; let me check |
| 02:18 |
est31 |
you seem to have some sort of a custom setup, and NetworkManager will likely break it |
| 02:18 |
bkeys |
I am running it on a virtual private server, the server that is |
| 02:18 |
est31 |
(custom setup for a dedicated server, that is) |
| 02:18 |
VanessaE |
ah |
| 02:19 |
bkeys |
Since I did not have X installed I did compile the minetestserver from source; it works I just do not see it on the list of public servers |
| 02:21 |
bkeys |
Figures I do not have NetworkManager installed |
| 02:21 |
est31 |
bkeys what's your server ip? |
| 02:22 |
bkeys |
It being a VPS it is honestly kind of iffy (the output I get from ifconfig is weird) |
| 02:22 |
bkeys |
Let me run it and look |
| 02:22 |
bkeys |
http://pastebin.com/1U8wahZU |
| 02:23 |
bkeys |
Here is the output of ifconfig |
| 02:24 |
est31 |
!up 192.184.82.27 |
| 02:24 |
MinetestBot |
192.184.82.27:30000 seems to be down |
| 02:25 |
bkeys |
Well I use this as a web server as well so I know it is connected to the internet |
| 02:32 |
est31 |
http seems to work |
| 02:33 |
est31 |
perhaps the provider blocks udp? |
| 02:36 |
blert2112 |
who opened port 80 for you? You need to forward the port from the router to the server |
| 02:36 |
est31 |
bkeys, can you do netcat -luv 300001 on the server? |
| 02:37 |
est31 |
it should still run, then I can try connecting from it from my machine |
| 02:37 |
bkeys |
what package do I need to install to have netcat? |
| 02:37 |
est31 |
usually its there |
| 02:37 |
est31 |
do you have nc? |
| 02:37 |
bkeys |
Yes |
| 02:38 |
est31 |
okay then use nc instead of netcat |
| 02:38 |
est31 |
same tool different name |
| 02:38 |
est31 |
and different implementation, but that shouldnt matter |
| 02:38 |
bkeys |
It is just hanging |
| 02:38 |
est31 |
thats ok |
| 02:38 |
est31 |
does it print "Listening" something? |
| 02:39 |
bkeys |
It has printed nothing as of now |
| 02:39 |
est31 |
hrmm |
| 02:40 |
est31 |
can you ctrl+c then take a valid port number, 3000 |
| 02:40 |
est31 |
err |
| 02:40 |
est31 |
30001 |
| 02:40 |
est31 |
that should be valid |
| 02:40 |
bkeys |
nc -luv 30001 |
| 02:40 |
bkeys |
Is just hanging |
| 02:40 |
est31 |
okay |
| 02:41 |
est31 |
now I try to connect |
| 02:41 |
est31 |
does it show something? |
| 02:41 |
bkeys |
Should I run the server binary? |
| 02:41 |
est31 |
no |
| 02:41 |
est31 |
this is just to test whether the server has udp connection to the internet |
| 02:41 |
est31 |
but seems it hasnt |
| 02:42 |
bkeys |
Well I still have not gotten any output |
| 02:42 |
est31 |
okay then abort |
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est31 |
do you have to open ports somehow? |
| 02:42 |
est31 |
for the http service? |
| 02:43 |
bkeys |
Certainly the ports must be open for whatever http is using because the website is up |
| 02:43 |
est31 |
if not, then best is you contact your VPS provider and ask them about running UDP servers, and that you want port 30000 for udp |
| 02:43 |
blert2112 |
can you access your router/firewall? |
| 02:44 |
bkeys |
What command should I use to test that? |
| 02:45 |
est31 |
on the client you do nc -vu 192.184.82.27 30001 |
| 02:45 |
est31 |
look here http://radarearth.com/content/using-netcat-udp-port-troubleshooting |
| 02:46 |
bkeys |
The command you told me to run simply hangs |
| 02:46 |
bkeys |
I am reading the document now |
| 02:46 |
est31 |
the one with the "l" is a server command |
| 02:47 |
est31 |
the other without the l and the server's ip is the client command |
| 02:47 |
blert2112 |
Do you have a hardware router? Likely supplied to you by your ISP. |
| 02:47 |
bkeys |
We are talking about the link you sent, correct? |
| 02:48 |
bkeys |
I am running the server via Virtual Private Server, so I do not have physical access to the machine nor the router |
| 02:48 |
est31 |
blert2112, this isnt a home servr but VPS |
| 02:48 |
blert2112 |
Ah, duh. Forgive me |
| 02:49 |
bkeys |
So which command do I run on the client (which I imply is my laptop) and which one on my server? |
| 02:50 |
est31 |
<est31> the one with the "l" is a server command |
| 02:50 |
est31 |
<est31> the other without the l and the server's ip is the client command |
| 02:51 |
bkeys |
Yeah I am just trying to make sure I am running the correct command one moment let me do this |
| 02:52 |
bkeys |
I run this on the server |
| 02:52 |
bkeys |
nc -luv 30001 |
| 02:52 |
bkeys |
And this on my client |
| 02:52 |
bkeys |
nc -vu 192.184.82.27 30001 |
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bkeys |
Can this be read? |
| 02:55 |
bkeys |
If so; I ran the commands asked and it says that a connection has been achieved |
| 02:55 |
bkeys |
The client does, but the server remains silent |
| 02:57 |
est31 |
yea what counts is the server |
| 02:57 |
est31 |
its clearly network fault |
| 02:57 |
est31 |
contact your provider |
| 02:57 |
bkeys |
Yeah I just ran it without the server listening and got the same output |
| 02:58 |
est31 |
(VPS provider) |
| 02:58 |
bkeys |
Alright; I will call them and get back to you guys at a future date. Thank you for the help thus far |
| 02:58 |
bkeys |
What do I ask them specifically? If I can forward UDP ports? |
| 02:58 |
est31 |
rather open than forward |
| 02:58 |
est31 |
just tell them you need access to UDP port 30000 |
| 02:59 |
bkeys |
Is that all? |
| 03:00 |
est31 |
yea |
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swift110-phone |
Hey |
| 03:29 |
cheapie |
cheapie tim:~/source/minetest$ minetestserver |
| 03:29 |
cheapie |
Segmentation fault |
| 03:29 |
cheapie |
Grr. |
| 03:30 |
cheapie |
It's been doing that ever since I upgraded some packages. One of them was Irrlicht, so I rebuilt MT, and well, it does that. |
| 03:30 |
* cheapie |
is collecting information |
| 03:30 |
exio4 |
that's a known bug, if I remember correctly |
| 03:31 |
cheapie |
I don't know how much, if any, of this might be useful: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12358387/ |
| 03:32 |
cheapie |
FWIW, the official Debian package of MT segfaults too now. |
| 03:33 |
cheapie |
Huh, looks like it might be Irrlicht's fault. |
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est31 |
cheapie, what's your irrlicht version? |
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* cheapie |
looks |
| 04:29 |
est31 |
did debian people seriously update irrlicht? |
| 04:29 |
cheapie |
1.8.2 |
| 04:29 |
est31 |
well congrats then to the breaking version |
| 04:30 |
cheapie |
I also tried grabbing Irrlicht from its SVN thing and compiling it myself - same problem when MT was compiled with that and Debian's Irrlicht was not present. |
| 04:32 |
est31 |
you run on unstable right? |
| 04:32 |
cheapie |
Yes. |
| 04:33 |
est31 |
debian people seem to know about it as well https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=798694 |
| 04:34 |
cheapie |
Well, I guess I'll just file this under "that's what I get for running sid" and hope it's fixed soon... |
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cheapie |
est31: Yep, I downgraded Irrlicht to 1.8.1, and now it works. |
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cheapie |
I'm going to hold it at that version now. |
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blert2112 |
can register_ore sheet type be flipped over without changing the code? |
| 05:37 |
hmmmm |
no |
| 05:37 |
hmmmm |
wait what do you mean by flipped over |
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blert2112 |
I mean totally flip over the sheet 180deg,so the current bottom will be the top and the top will be the bottom |
| 05:39 |
hmmmm |
there is no top or bottom, it's just a sheet |
| 05:39 |
blert2112 |
ah, but there sort of is... one sec... |
| 05:40 |
blert2112 |
take a look at the last four pics in this thread... |
| 05:40 |
blert2112 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=13206 |
| 05:41 |
blert2112 |
please |
| 05:41 |
hmmmm |
ohh |
| 05:41 |
hmmmm |
that's a bug, isn't it |
| 05:42 |
hmmmm |
the randomized vertical offsets are supposed to be relative to the center |
| 05:42 |
blert2112 |
I believe it to be. IMO, it would be better if it was flipped over |
| 05:43 |
hmmmm |
alright |
| 05:43 |
hmmmm |
just to track it you should make an issue on github about this |
| 05:43 |
blert2112 |
I kind of dig they way it looks though, the rough "bottom" with a smoothish "top" |
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hmmmm |
so then make it a feature request where you ask for an adjustable offset for ore columns in the sheet ore type |
| 05:45 |
hmmmm |
you see in src/mg_ore.cpp:204-205 |
| 05:45 |
hmmmm |
that needs to be either + or - height based on which you want |
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blert2112 |
yeah, I was going to "fix" it and recompile for my use here at home but Windows has gotten the better of me again |
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blert2112 |
thanks you |
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Krock |
meow |
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VanessaE |
hi. |
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nrzkt |
burp |
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est31 |
lol |
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CWz |
can someone tell me how to apply this patch ? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13215&p=190870#p190870 |
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nrzkt |
open an editor, find the right file, paste and compile. |
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waressearcher2 |
use "patch" ? |
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Krock |
waressearcher2, you don't know what a patch is? |
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waressearcher2 |
I mean use programm "patch", that how you apply patches on software |
| 09:15 |
Krock |
oh |
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Krock |
well, git does the same |
| 09:16 |
waressearcher2 |
but I assume it will not work, but it could've been more convenient if it did |
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Krock |
AHAAAHAHA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmpgbb6b3Wc |
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Calinou |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12851&p=190829#p190829 |
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Calinou |
best avatar |
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Krock |
no, it needs pixeled coolness glasses |
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waressearcher2 |
can it increase fps if instead of textures one would use solid colors on blocks ? |
| 09:40 |
est31 |
I doubt it |
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est31 |
you still would have to conduct the same calculations |
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waressearcher2 |
"fill with color" should be faster then "draw a texture" |
| 09:41 |
est31 |
well yeah it doesnt have to be sent to the gfx card |
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est31 |
but the gfx card has to do the same calculations |
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Krock |
waressearcher2, the difference is minimal - at least on a 16px texture pack |
| 09:42 |
Krock |
the world would be boring without textures :P |
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waressearcher2 |
by the way, why 16px textures ? I mean just because minecraft has 16px default textures ? |
| 09:42 |
Krock |
8 has too less details and 32 is already 4x more work for the graphics card |
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DusXMT |
waressearcher2: It makes importing texture packs (which allow it, of course) over to minetest :) Also, it's a power of two, and provides enough detail for everything to be clearly recognisable |
| 09:43 |
DusXMT |
s/to minetest/to minetest easier/ |
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Krock |
And non-power of two graphics look creepy on old graphic cards/builtin graphics |
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waressearcher2 |
how is that "creepy" ? messy ? |
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DusXMT |
Krock: Do you have some screenshots/photos to share? I'm curious to see how it looks |
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Krock |
DusXMT, http://imgur.com/8JqtQzJ |
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DusXMT |
hehe :p |
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* DusXMT |
now kinda wants to buy an old graphics card to play in awkward mode x3 |
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Krock |
DusXMT, If you want more of them.. I can't reproduce it anymore - switched the mainboard. |
| 10:43 |
Krock |
just get some RIVA TNT2 card :P |
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DusXMT |
Krock: Did the sizes of the pixel columns change as you were changing your perspective? |
| 10:44 |
Krock |
afaik, no |
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DusXMT |
awww :( |
| 10:44 |
Krock |
LOL |
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DusXMT |
jelly-minetest |
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hoodedice |
hello |
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twoelk |
ollah |
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Krock |
moin |
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twoelk |
10 seconds after I fire up my server people try to join - do some clients start the public server list from the bottom up? |
| 11:20 |
twoelk |
most supply empty passwords so I presume some mobile clients |
| 11:22 |
Krock |
all server lists should be sorted the same way - as it's done on servers.minetest.net |
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twoelk |
hm, one seems stuck in joining limbo |
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twoelk |
pff - lot's of "Admin"s try to join :-D |
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Krock |
no_guests ftw |
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Krock |
(with the "Admin" acc added) |
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twoelk |
my line must be bad just now, most people time out - if the names don't get rejected straight away |
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hoodedice |
mayne, pointers tho |
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twoelk |
ping = 1247 |
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hoodedice |
dot |
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nrzkt |
!server AppleTree |
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MinetestBot |
nrzkt: AppleTree - Survival & Build | minetest.unix-experience.fr | Clients: 18/50, 13/20 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / epixel | Ping: 10ms |
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Krock |
epixel? |
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nrzkt |
epixel, yes :p |
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everamzah |
i usually reboot server machine after about 12 hours when i notice max_lag at about 5 or 6. i let it go on overnight, and max_lag is 25, some new record for me i think |
| 12:54 |
everamzah |
can't help but think the server performance is degrading over time |
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everamzah |
http://i.imgur.com/j1wjFiB.png |
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Krock |
everamzah, font needs more smoothness |
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everamzah |
mhm, prolly smaller, better settings maybe the alpha shadow |
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everamzah |
i use the pixelbox tp/font on that ol' lappy |
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Krock |
use Comic Sans MS ^^ |
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everamzah |
oh yeah? you might have to direct me to it. |
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waressearcher2 |
can minetest run faster ? any work in that direction ? |
| 14:14 |
waressearcher2 |
I mean more fps will not harm |
| 14:14 |
everamzah |
a smooth 60 would be nice, it happens here and there |
| 14:14 |
waressearcher2 |
or it uses all speed irrlich can offer ? |
| 14:18 |
est31 |
waressearcher2, well there is some movement into the direction of making it "faster" |
| 14:19 |
est31 |
but usually thats for a sacrifice |
| 14:19 |
est31 |
e.g. that it looks ugly now |
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nrzkt |
mesa 11 is out :D oh yeah |
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rubenwardy |
5 days until uni! |
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Calinou |
waressearcher2, we use Irrlicht in terrible, abusive ways |
| 14:50 |
waressearcher2 |
abusive ? |
| 14:51 |
est31 |
yes |
| 14:51 |
est31 |
but we are the only ones xD |
| 14:51 |
waressearcher2 |
like ways it wasn't supposed to be used ? |
| 14:51 |
est31 |
have you seen the packages on the arch manager that have irrlicht as dependency? |
| 14:51 |
est31 |
the list has one element :) |
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waressearcher2 |
minetest ? |
| 15:20 |
nm0i |
minetest ! |
| 15:22 |
everamzah |
mind quad |
| 15:22 |
nm0i |
Any idea why 90% of peeps that log in into public server build dirt house, then log out? |
| 15:22 |
waressearcher2 |
they don't give a wood about that game |
| 15:23 |
Krock |
because the area isn't protected |
| 15:23 |
sfan5 |
probably people playing on tablets |
| 15:23 |
sfan5 |
s/people/children/ |
| 15:23 |
waressearcher2 |
they test it, "das war mine test fur minetest" |
| 15:24 |
DFeniks |
im not sure , do people build shelter in minecraft to hide from monsters , maybe habit |
| 15:24 |
Krock |
waressearcher2->german_skills++; |
| 15:24 |
waressearcher2 |
DFeniks: classical conditioning in place |
| 15:24 |
waressearcher2 |
soon will be night, need a dirt house |
| 15:24 |
DFeniks |
or maybe because dirt is only thing you can dig without tools |
| 15:25 |
Krock |
Wouldn't it be more intelligent to build a mine into a hill instead of getting tons of dirt to protect from monsters? lol |
| 15:26 |
nm0i |
Any reliable way to make server 14+(18+)? (Any captcha mod that requires people to solve differential equation on login?) |
| 15:26 |
DFeniks |
i remember building small dirt and cobble house before log out on one of my first servers |
| 15:26 |
waressearcher2 |
they afraid to dig into a cave filled with even more monsters |
| 15:26 |
waressearcher2 |
nm0i: ask them questions from quest game "Larry" |
| 15:27 |
nm0i |
I think it is 30+ test. |
| 15:27 |
Calinou |
"sqrt(-1) = ?" |
| 15:27 |
waressearcher2 |
"Runtime error (func=(main), adr=4): Square root of a negative number" ? |
| 15:27 |
nm0i |
Ban if answer is just "i"? |
| 15:28 |
DFeniks |
now ii usually just travel far to punch trees first , and then mine until i got everything i need , i might put chest somvhere too |
| 15:28 |
waressearcher2 |
I think mobile version of minecraft needs longer first day, because its more challenging to survive your first day if you use touch screen |
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Jordach |
hrm, had a nice little mod idea |
| 15:44 |
nanepiwo |
what? |
| 15:44 |
Krock |
yeah, what? |
| 15:44 |
Jordach |
ILD - Infinite Liquid Storage Device |
| 15:45 |
Jordach |
ILSD even |
| 15:45 |
Krock |
substr("ILSD", 1) |
| 15:45 |
nanepiwo |
so you can keep punching it with a bucket and itll never run out of lava/water? |
| 15:45 |
Jordach |
nanepiwo, more of a bucket storage, minus wasting iron on extra buckets |
| 15:46 |
nanepiwo |
cool.,..... |
| 15:50 |
Jordach |
i'm not sure if meshnodes support animated textures |
| 15:51 |
Amaz |
Jordach, they do. |
| 15:51 |
Jordach |
sweert |
| 15:52 |
Amaz |
https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack/blob/master/homedecor/furniture_medieval.lua#L61-L86 |
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freelikegnu |
Calinou: whats cooking with carbone-ng? |
| 15:52 |
Calinou |
nothing really :( no time, university started |
| 15:53 |
freelikegnu |
ah |
| 15:53 |
freelikegnu |
what are you studying? |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
computer graphics, Web design, some programming |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
also audiovisuals |
| 15:54 |
freelikegnu |
cool |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
networking |
| 15:54 |
Calinou |
(we use Debian :D) |
| 15:55 |
freelikegnu |
very nice :D |
| 15:55 |
rubenwardy |
what is the course name? |
| 15:55 |
freelikegnu |
it would pain me to have to use windows for CS or graphics |
| 15:55 |
Calinou |
http://src-media.com/ppn-mmi/fiches-modules.html |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
here it is, in French |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
(click on Semestre 1) |
| 15:56 |
RealBadAngel |
Calinou, u need university for that? such skills are free ;) |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
freelikegnu, I do have to use Windows for Photoshop/Illustrator/Office. that sucks |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
we don't use only free software |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
most teachers use Sublime Text too |
| 15:56 |
Calinou |
and Google Chrome |
| 15:57 |
RealBadAngel |
such studies are outdated |
| 15:57 |
Calinou |
suddenly: jobs |
| 15:57 |
Calinou |
you simply don't get jobs without degrees |
| 15:57 |
RealBadAngel |
teachers are ususally 10-15 yrs after whats current |
| 15:57 |
Calinou |
not really |
| 15:57 |
freelikegnu |
the benefit of university are networking with others with like talents |
| 15:57 |
Calinou |
I know what's current, and they seem to be mostly current |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
like, they teach actual HTML5 |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
they tell you not to use tables for formatting and such :p |
| 15:58 |
nrzkt |
DUT is a good graduate, but you should continue with L3 |
| 15:58 |
est31 |
and no flash? |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
yeah, no Flash/Dreamweaver |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
we were told that :) hopefully I don't have to touch either |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
nrzkt, I know |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
that's the plan, probably |
| 15:58 |
RealBadAngel |
i remember when we had there hdds, like 20-40 megabytes, they learned us about 5,25 floppies |
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freelikegnu |
I would have gotten more out of my education if I had socialized more |
| 15:58 |
nrzkt |
freelikegnu: University in france is not same as USA, ti's a little bit different |
| 15:59 |
RealBadAngel |
that was real fun |
| 15:59 |
freelikegnu |
no doubt, nrzkt |
| 15:59 |
RealBadAngel |
not to mention Odra computers |
| 15:59 |
freelikegnu |
fortunately I went to a great art school |
| 15:59 |
nrzkt |
RealBadAngel: my network teacher 5 years ago learned us ATM and X25 networks... |
| 16:00 |
RealBadAngel |
when that hardware got hung, you had to go dowstairs, down the tunnel, by ladder |
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rubenwardy |
* taught us about |
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RealBadAngel |
to push the lever |
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freelikegnu |
lol |
| 16:00 |
RealBadAngel |
that was reset |
| 16:01 |
waressearcher2 |
Odra ? is it a mainframe kind ? |
| 16:01 |
freelikegnu |
one of the key lessons of CD: Have you tried turning it off and back on again? |
| 16:01 |
waressearcher2 |
is it older than PDP11 ? |
| 16:01 |
RealBadAngel |
in its times it was very modern |
| 16:01 |
freelikegnu |
*CS |
| 16:02 |
RealBadAngel |
they say that last of Odra was turned off in 2010 |
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waressearcher2 |
is it possible to make a mob without 3d software ? just using NodeEditor to make it looks more like sheep but without leg animation, there are no legs, that just jumps, will it go for a mob ? |
| 16:03 |
Jordach |
waressearcher2, you will need blender |
| 16:04 |
waressearcher2 |
Jordach: what if its a "cube" mob, just a jumping cube with a texture of a some creature and that jumps around and can follow the player ? do I really need entire blender for this ? |
| 16:04 |
Jordach |
waressearcher2, you need to |
| 16:04 |
Jordach |
UV faces aren't assigned to it automatically |
| 16:04 |
waressearcher2 |
but there is no animation of 3d model itself its just jumping |
| 16:04 |
Jordach |
the texture itself will need assigning |
| 16:05 |
RealBadAngel |
waressearcher2, odra computers are like 60-70's previous century |
| 16:05 |
waressearcher2 |
Jordach: do you need a blender to make say furniture ? |
| 16:05 |
waressearcher2 |
chair ? |
| 16:05 |
Jordach |
waressearcher2, regular nodes can be made with that yes, but blender has finer control |
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RealBadAngel |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odra_%28computer%29 |
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Krock |
oh yeah, that's the early version of my pocket calculator :P |
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Jordach |
RealBadAngel, musta been a beech to clean when dusty :D |
| 16:25 |
RealBadAngel |
jordach, they used to have cleaners hired just for those rooms |
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Jordach |
damn |
| 16:26 |
RealBadAngel |
and thats not a joke |
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waressearcher2 |
"cleaners", more than one cleaner ? |
| 16:26 |
RealBadAngel |
usual lady with mop was not qualified enough |
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waressearcher2 |
another question how much watts it eats |
| 16:27 |
RealBadAngel |
there were wires everywhere |
| 16:27 |
waressearcher2 |
or kilowatts |
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Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/7zORE6Y.png |
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RealBadAngel |
1.21 gigawatts! 1.21 gigawatts. Great Scott! |
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* RealBadAngel |
runs out of the room |
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waressearcher2 |
is that in full power or in idle ? |
| 16:34 |
Jordach |
topkek |
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Jordach |
topkek |
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Krock |
lucily they invented the bipolar and then the unipolar transistors - would be such a waste of energy with radio tubes |
| 16:38 |
Krock |
*luckily |
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waressearcher2 |
its said facebooks data centers consume 2% of world energy, imagine they were using this types of machines for datacenters |
| 16:39 |
RealBadAngel |
odra parts are still very valuable |
| 16:39 |
Jordach |
you mean sometimes code will produce wrong results, that also makes the right results :^) |
| 16:39 |
RealBadAngel |
because of gold used |
| 16:39 |
Jordach |
(bipolar transistors!) |
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waressearcher2 |
RealBadAngel: because of heavy metals ? |
| 16:40 |
arsdragonfly |
hey check out my testing server featuring AdvancedMarket mod |
| 16:40 |
RealBadAngel |
just gold |
| 16:40 |
Krock |
Jordach, nah, TTL was quite percise |
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arsdragonfly |
arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 |
| 16:40 |
arsdragonfly |
!server arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 |
| 16:40 |
MinetestBot |
arsdragonfly: No results |
| 16:40 |
RealBadAngel |
gold is way better conductor than copper |
| 16:41 |
arsdragonfly |
!server arsdragonfly |
| 16:41 |
MinetestBot |
arsdragonfly: Arsdragonfly's testing Minetest server | arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 332ms |
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waressearcher2 |
RealBadAngel: for information or for electricity ? |
| 16:41 |
arsdragonfly |
^ |
| 16:41 |
waressearcher2 |
for information fiber is a better conductor |
| 16:41 |
waressearcher2 |
fiberoptic |
| 16:42 |
RealBadAngel |
read about it |
| 16:43 |
RealBadAngel |
gold is just too expensive to be widely used |
| 16:43 |
waressearcher2 |
right, that is why its primary uses for useless jewerly |
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Jordach |
things i'm not going to do again: chop out 32 frames of a single water source animation |
| 17:04 |
Krock |
The situation when you hum a melody and can't remember the song's name... |
| 17:04 |
Krock |
Jordach, but you've got enough time.. so just repeat it |
| 17:05 |
Jordach |
Krock, the lava texture is faster - only needs 16 frames, compared to the 32 |
| 17:05 |
waressearcher2 |
Jordach: are you an artist ? |
| 17:05 |
Krock |
smoothness ftw :) |
| 17:05 |
waressearcher2 |
doing pixel art ? |
| 17:06 |
Krock |
Jordach is blender pro |
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waressearcher2 |
of what version of blender he is pro |
| 17:07 |
waressearcher2 |
they like to change blender from version to version |
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* Krock |
knows this problem with windows |
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Jordach |
the version on steam auto updates :^) |
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Jordach |
Krock, waressearcher2 http://jordach.net/Images/Screenshots/SteamedBlender.png |
| 17:13 |
Krock |
just 22 hours?? is somewhere a reset function? |
| 17:14 |
Calinou |
https://imgrush.com/tfruOIIt_oiz |
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Jordach |
Krock, remember the last few years, i only started timing it with steam |
| 17:14 |
Krock |
oh, alright. |
| 17:14 |
Jordach |
i can even install it on my linux laptop next wed |
| 17:15 |
Jordach |
for extra time - as i'm using it for my animation course |
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Krock |
Calinou, interesting physics you got there |
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Jordach |
uwot atom |
| 17:25 |
Jordach |
http://jordach.net/Images/Screenshots/uwotatom.png |
| 17:25 |
Jordach |
so now it's able to use the MT API |
| 17:25 |
Jordach |
uwot |
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Calinou |
probably based on opened files? |
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rubenwardy |
fibre doesn't conduct electricity :( |
| 17:34 |
waressearcher2 |
does radio waves conduct electricity ? |
| 17:34 |
waressearcher2 |
but you can still send energy over an air |
| 17:35 |
VanessaE |
radio waves *are* electricity |
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est31 |
waressearcher2, it doesnt conduct electricity |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
radio waves are EM waves, not electricity |
| 17:35 |
VanessaE |
or more specifically, electromagnetic energy |
| 17:35 |
rubenwardy |
electricity is the flow of electrons |
| 17:35 |
VanessaE |
rubenwardy: yes, and EM waves are formed from electrons and/or photons |
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rubenwardy |
EM waves are photons |
| 17:35 |
est31 |
you say something "conducts electricity" if there are free moving electrons you can connect to anodes / kathodes |
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est31 |
then the electrons flow into the respective direction |
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waressearcher2 |
so if light also "electromagnetic energy" fibreoptic cables can deliver energy ? |
| 17:36 |
est31 |
yes |
| 17:36 |
est31 |
waressearcher2, light is energy |
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VanessaE |
waressearcher2: they can't pump enough energy through a fiberoptic cable for it to matter, though |
| 17:36 |
est31 |
look at the sun waressearcher2 |
| 17:36 |
waressearcher2 |
its hot |
| 17:37 |
waressearcher2 |
and bright, and sets every 10 minutes |
| 17:37 |
est31 |
lol |
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VanessaE |
haha |
| 17:37 |
est31 |
well its hotter than you, that means there is entropy which means there is energy |
| 17:38 |
waressearcher2 |
lets fight entropy |
| 17:38 |
waressearcher2 |
by organizing more blocks |
| 17:38 |
Krock |
lets fight ystrophy |
| 17:38 |
Krock |
*dystrophy |
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rubenwardy |
!g dystrophy |
| 17:39 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystrophy |
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RealBadAngel |
lol |
| 18:11 |
RealBadAngel |
lets fight itchty fingers ;) |
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RealBadAngel |
skyblock is down? |
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twoelk |
waressearcher2: you may want to study some cubic mobs mods such as https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9472 |
| 18:16 |
RealBadAngel |
waressearcher2, light is also an energy |
| 18:16 |
RealBadAngel |
theres no if |
| 18:17 |
RealBadAngel |
look at the sun and use piece of glaass to burn things with it |
| 18:17 |
twoelk |
everything that exists in a "physical" way is energy of a sort |
| 18:18 |
RealBadAngel |
to be honest theres no hotter thing in the universe that light source, the sun |
| 18:18 |
RealBadAngel |
*than |
| 18:20 |
RealBadAngel |
Fotosphere: 5778 K (5505 °C), Corona: typically ~2 mln K, Core: 1,571×107 K |
| 18:20 |
RealBadAngel |
and thats HOT ;) |
| 18:21 |
* CWz |
hates minecraft sneaking animation |
| 18:24 |
Krock |
RealBadAngel, but our sun is tiny |
| 18:25 |
Krock |
I wonder how the measured the core temp... |
| 18:26 |
waressearcher2 |
RealBadAngel: at that temperature, what speed atoms moves at core of the sun ? |
| 18:26 |
waressearcher2 |
Krock: infrared |
| 18:26 |
Krock |
waressearcher2, but that's the fotosphere temp |
| 18:27 |
waressearcher2 |
they say infrared light travels from core to the surface for a long period of time |
| 18:27 |
waressearcher2 |
bouncing around |
| 18:27 |
waressearcher2 |
or something like that |
| 18:28 |
RealBadAngel |
yes, our sun is tiny |
| 18:29 |
RealBadAngel |
waressearcher2, only thing to limit light speed is gravity |
| 18:30 |
RealBadAngel |
our solar is way to small for such effects |
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RealBadAngel |
it emits light, its mass cannot stop it |
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RealBadAngel |
and if you hear or read such bullshit just ban that |
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waressearcher2 |
wait, it could've been Gamma Rays, here http://classroom.synonym.com/long-photons-emerge-suns-core-outside-10063.html |
| 18:37 |
waressearcher2 |
the path from the center to the emergence from the sun takes many steps and many years, so it can take from 5,000 years to more than half a million years for the photon to escape the sun |
| 18:38 |
waressearcher2 |
"Visible sunlight started as a gamma ray many thousands of years ago", its like we see the past of the sun |
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rubenwardy |
RealBadAngel, scientists can get hotter than 5505 degrees |
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est31 |
yeah sunlight is mostly thermic radiation |
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Jordach |
http://jordach.net/Images/Screenshots/screenshot_20150912_195520.png |
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RealBadAngel |
Core: 1,571×107 K is pretty hot i think, even as for such small star |
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zat |
wat is that Jordach |
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Jordach |
what these may do are unknown as of now |
| 19:53 |
Jordach |
http://jordach.net/Images/Screenshots/screenshot_20150912_204839.png |
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RealBadAngel |
Jordach, liquid containers drawtype is here for long time already :P |
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Jordach |
RealBadAngel, far better than that |
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RealBadAngel |
http://i.imgur.com/KTyXLDa.png |
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Jordach |
different type of container |
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zat |
roflflfl |
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Jordach |
http://jordach.net/Images/Screenshots/screenshot_20150912_212623.png |
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Jordach |
RealBadAngel, the liquid inside doesn't read how much is inside :^) |
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Jordach |
hey kaeza |
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kaeza |
sup Jordach |
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Jordach |
working on a new toy |
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Jordach |
http://jordach.net/Images/Screenshots/screenshot_20150912_212623.png |
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kaeza |
what is that? |
| 20:37 |
Jordach |
some sort of Mese-Focused Liquid Device |
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kaeza |
nice models |
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kaeza |
do they work? |
| 20:40 |
Jordach |
yes |
| 20:40 |
Jordach |
not until i properly stabilise em |
| 20:40 |
kaeza |
stabilize? |
| 20:42 |
Jordach |
trying to balance them |
| 20:47 |
Jordach |
(hint - these are considered both item deleters and recyclers at the same time) |
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Jordach |
gah |
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Jordach |
why is the goddamn minetest game bucket using left and right clicks for dump and fill |
| 21:04 |
Jordach |
some blocks *fail* to work because of this |
| 21:06 |
Jordach |
just change line 113 (bucket/init.lua) from on_use to on_place |
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est31 |
I guess android |
| 21:07 |
Jordach |
doubt it |
| 21:07 |
est31 |
there you have to double tap |
| 21:07 |
Jordach |
on_use breaks on_punch for blocks |
| 21:07 |
est31 |
I know |
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est31 |
just simply dont select it |
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Jordach |
who's fucking idea was this |
| 21:08 |
Jordach |
don't see how that's a damn probkem |
| 21:08 |
Jordach |
it's consistent, and allows mod makers to use left click with buckets to interact with objects |
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Jordach |
and afaik you can't override the defaukt bucket:empty_bucket, because it's hardcoded |
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MinetestBot |
[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Run updatepo.sh 1d69116 http://git.io/vZoXs (2015-09-12T23:24:19+02:00) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] t4im -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Esperanto) a5b3455 http://git.io/vZoXG (2015-09-12T23:18:41+02:00) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] martonkisbenedekgmail.com -> minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Hungarian) 8eeff63 http://git.io/vZoXZ (2015-09-12T23:18:41+02:00) |
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Jordach |
wow |
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hoodedice |
need help with C, how do I read an int that I have, digit by digit? so like, 1324123 |
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zat |
itoa() |
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tognito |
hello I'm quite new to Minetest |
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tognito |
hola |
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tognito |
I don't know where the subgames can be downloaded from |
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Teckla |
tognito: Join some of us on minetest.davison.io |
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Teckla |
It's a good public server with lots of fun mods installed. |
| 23:52 |
tognito |
name paswword? |
| 23:54 |
tognito |
ok, got it |
