| Time |
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| 00:22 |
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| 00:23 |
Nana10 |
hi folks |
| 00:26 |
FreeFull |
Building Minetest warns that it's using a deprecated irrlicht function GetBoneName |
| 00:26 |
FreeFull |
getBoneName* |
| 00:30 |
Nana10 |
I am on debian.. version.. toooo old. I am a linux noob and my niece needs minetest. I tried to install windows - bluescreen. mint distro takes so long, that I'm gonna fell asleep. some guy in the german minetest channel said, he compiles the newest version of minetest. So: I have no empty dvd's, only cd's.. how can I get the game running like I want? :_: |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
download and build it |
| 00:31 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 |
| 00:31 |
Nana10 |
other thing: if I'm too noob to be noob, win7 or 10 won't run either on p4 ht processor? or am I just dumb? |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
that should solve your need, Nana10 |
| 00:33 |
LazyJ |
We have a player that uses Windows XP (and one of the 32bit builds of Minetest). |
| 00:33 |
Nana10 |
wow, that looks very difficult, is this "save" to my idiotic- noobness? :P |
| 00:34 |
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| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
Nana10: just copy that gigantic wall of text to a terminal and run it. |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
it's literally one step :) |
| 00:34 |
Nana10 |
LazyJ: yes, but. neither win7 nor winxp home and professional seems wanted to be installed on this pc T_T |
| 00:34 |
LazyJ |
Hehehe... can't blame them. |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
click "CODE: SELECT ALL" --> Ctrl-C to copy, paste it into a terminal, hit enter. |
| 00:35 |
LazyJ |
klapp calls her WinXP laptop a "toaster". :) |
| 00:35 |
Nana10 |
VanessaE: wow, u serious? now I feel really noob |
| 00:36 |
Nana10 |
but thx!! |
| 00:36 |
VanessaE |
yep :) |
| 00:38 |
Nana10 |
got 0.3.1 |
| 00:39 |
OldCoder |
Comments please on http://minetest.org/crash.txt |
| 00:42 |
Nana10 |
ok, I've had some issues before. Just can't update either the OS, nor the minetest version. the last chance would be to buy windows and a windows pc. but I feel way too proud for it, maybe there is another way to get it to run. last chance would be me backuping the files and install ubuntu with wine simulator, but maybe I can just work around this .. "nice" distro |
| 00:44 |
Nana10 |
I've heard that debian is the king of linux.. so.. I know it's not for gaming. but isn't "gaming" reading kind of some dll's or am I noobier then I thought? |
| 00:46 |
Nana10 |
http://pastebin.com/JS3FiyQP |
| 00:52 |
technomancy |
Nana10: debian is fine for minetest |
| 00:52 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
Hey OldCoder.. |
| 00:52 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
I would Enjoy to help.. |
| 00:52 |
technomancy |
I've had better luck with minetest on debian than minetest on windows |
| 00:52 |
technomancy |
Nana10: when people say it's not great for gaming I think they mean it's not great for running proprietary software on |
| 00:53 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
OldCoder PM me.. I can have a 78% chance with helping you because I have ran a server for long lengths of time.. Also a stable Server.. |
| 00:54 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas ty. I will be back in half an hour or so. I have run 24 worlds over 3 years. |
| 00:54 |
y |
hai |
| 00:54 |
OldCoder |
Unless you can comment on the crash.txt file you probably can't help but thanks. |
| 00:54 |
OldCoder |
This is not server config |
| 00:54 |
OldCoder |
It is a core crash |
| 00:54 |
OldCoder |
Need to identify trigger |
| 00:55 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
WOW.. I don't Enjoy starting a new world and I l;ook for server Stablity. |
| 00:55 |
* OldCoder |
has had dozens and they work but this crash is bad |
| 00:55 |
OldCoder |
o/ |
| 00:57 |
Nana10 |
sry, re. Was just mixing some drink. I'll read all that fast, sec pls |
| 00:57 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
OldCoder I have checked the longs.. You are having a IOMMU error. |
| 00:59 |
Nana10 |
how to identify the trigger OldCoder |
| 00:59 |
Nana10 |
? |
| 01:01 |
Nana10 |
this piece of hardware is really a "hard one" I've had a few pc's and all the .iso's and installer cd/dvd's ran fine. now, as I am forced to think about architechture and hardware issues, I'm just fkt.... :/ |
| 01:02 |
Nana10 |
I even can't do vim editor really..... |
| 01:03 |
Nana10 |
so I run this gui debian but.... I guess it needs some "cutie" and some "wine dll stuff" and it should work, c'mon. I'd really wanna try debian out |
| 01:04 |
technomancy |
Nana10: I run Minetest on an ancient thinkpad fro 2007 with debian FWIW |
| 01:04 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
I have fixed this error with a CPU COnsole Patch.. |
| 01:06 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
Well, the CPU is the most important piece of this problem.. |
| 01:06 |
Nana10 |
it's a p4 ht, I guess 3.2 ghz |
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| 01:06 |
technomancy |
Nana10: wait, why are you using wine? |
| 01:06 |
Nana10 |
I am not |
| 01:07 |
Nana10 |
I thoght it'd be the last thing. I want to keep debian. I just don't want to install ubuntu next to debian |
| 01:07 |
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| 01:08 |
Nana10 |
So, ofc it's possible to run it by installing all the stuff automaticlally, but: I want to install it all by myself, so, maybe I can learn about how this "app" works and what it needs |
| 01:10 |
technomancy |
Nana10: installing all the dependencies yourself is a waste of time; it's very difficult to find the right versions, and it's hugely tediosu |
| 01:10 |
technomancy |
so use `apt-get build-dep minetest`, clone the source for just minetest, and follow the instructions there |
| 01:10 |
Nana10 |
meh, I hoped much that it's easy. But what is a tediosu? |
| 01:11 |
technomancy |
tedious =) |
| 01:11 |
technomancy |
the problem with dependencies is that one dependency brings in seventeen of its own dependencies |
| 01:11 |
Nana10 |
meh sorry :_: |
| 01:11 |
Nana10 |
I know |
| 01:13 |
Nana10 |
but that's why I've installed debian. To learn how this *nix is working and how to get stuff on it. I like this one more then windows because I feel a bit more "near" to the hardware, than I would, if I'd use windows |
| 01:13 |
technomancy |
start by just compiling minetest; that should be enough of a learning experience |
| 01:13 |
Nana10 |
strange that I can't run debian and mint on 1 HDD -.- |
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| 01:15 |
Nana10 |
I've had compiled teamspeak 2 back then... 4 years ago. but I need to understand the process. not copypaste the shell cmd's in the cli. I know I am noob to pc but I really want to learn it, I am very thankfull that you take your time, but I don't wanna waste it |
| 01:15 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
wow. |
| 01:16 |
technomancy |
Nana10: there are way more important things to learn about unix than how to compile your own glib |
| 01:16 |
Nana10 |
surely I can do mkfile compilefile or whatever, but I want to learn stuff to play online with u and not annoy you anymore |
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| 01:16 |
soft_libre |
Megaf: what are you doing here??? |
| 01:16 |
soft_libre |
What are you doing here Megaf? are you playing at your server? XD jajaja |
| 01:17 |
Nana10 |
inder? |
| 01:17 |
technomancy |
I've got a technic game going, and turning off creative doesn't work |
| 01:18 |
technomancy |
I've tried /revoke me creative but that doesn't get rid of it either |
| 01:18 |
technomancy |
any suggestions? |
| 01:18 |
soft_libre |
teamspeak 2! wow :-) I used that before :) |
| 01:20 |
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| 01:21 |
Nana10 |
ok I ask stupid questions.. so: what so I need to get the latest minetest version to run? if I'd compile it.... I'd have a programm, an "app". so.. but.. the "app" need other libraries, or doesn't it? how I get the cake sweet and not too hard? |
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| 01:22 |
Nana10 |
btw: 3 years is so awesome! |
| 01:25 |
technomancy |
Nana10: that's what apt-get build-dep does |
| 01:25 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, really? If true, thank you. Thank you for time regardless. |
| 01:26 |
Nana10 |
there is /are just too much "files" in such a program. "this needs that and this is need for the other thing, don't forget this one" I just want to run that thing. in q3 it was just the 0.pk or what the name was, I've mixed 2 games in 1. there were quake 3 and openarena. the client did the first work, the pk0 package did the rest, and some send scripts |
| 01:26 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, not stupid |
| 01:26 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, are you trying to run MT on Windows? Or on Debian? |
| 01:26 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, can you comment further? |
| 01:27 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, to identify the trigger, one must repeatedly produce a problem |
| 01:28 |
Nana10 |
"package must be directed" or "404 destination not found" when "I apt-get build-dep" |
| 01:28 |
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| 01:28 |
Nana10 |
2nd one was just fun, the first message is the nearest of reality. my english sucks |
| 01:29 |
Nana10 |
I try to update... or "get" the newest version of MT for debian |
| 01:29 |
Nana10 |
I've tried: |
| 01:30 |
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| 01:31 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
hey OldCoder.. |
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| 01:32 |
Nana10 |
shit, it's gone, my niece've deleted the files |
| 01:32 |
Nana10 |
even the bookmarks |
| 01:32 |
Nana10 |
I guess she was really pissed that her 'admin' is such a loser xD |
| 01:32 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
THe Problem can be with IOMMU of the CPU, HServer Hardware and how Stable the Server is with Surviving DAYS of uptime. |
| 01:33 |
Nana10 |
so.. I've tried to set the repo's to the up-to-date-ubuntu-repo's |
| 01:34 |
twoelk |
Nana10: you are aware of for example http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest or https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt |
| 01:34 |
Nana10 |
set it in the "get-my-source-from" thingy (yes, hate the gnu/nix noobie) and gedit'ed the file to the source to "precise", or smth like that |
| 01:35 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
hmmm am I the ONLY server admin attempting to use AMD Servers with CentOS, Fedora, FreeBSD. |
| 01:36 |
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| 01:36 |
sloantothebone |
Hi |
| 01:36 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, do you have a VPS? |
| 01:36 |
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| 01:36 |
OldCoder |
I could ssh in, have you join me in screen, and walk you through everything |
| 01:36 |
Nana10 |
thank you twoelk, I know.. google and stuff. but do you think that'd work? |
| 01:37 |
chicken |
oldcoder |
| 01:37 |
OldCoder |
chicken |
| 01:37 |
OldCoder |
Mm, chicken |
| 01:37 |
chicken |
gamerdude |
| 01:37 |
sloantothebone |
I installed the minetest daily builds ppa, now what? |
| 01:37 |
sloantothebone |
Hi oldcoder |
| 01:37 |
OldCoder |
sloantothebone |
| 01:37 |
Nana10 |
no vps OldCoder |
| 01:37 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
Yes.. |
| 01:37 |
sloantothebone |
How do I install the latest build of minetest? |
| 01:37 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, you know Genshin, then; may we discuss the IOMMU issue or network problem? Not clear yet. If it is not fixed, my best world shuts down. |
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| 01:37 |
Nana10 |
what is a vps? |
| 01:37 |
OldCoder |
sloantothebone, OS ? |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, is this your own personal machine? |
| 01:38 |
Nana10 |
virtual penis sponsor? xD |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
No |
| 01:38 |
sloantothebone |
Ubuntu 14.04 |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
And this i a G-rated channel |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
sloantothebone, I will talk you through a build |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
You can build it yourself |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
And become thereby a core dev |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
I saw your message earlier |
| 01:38 |
sloantothebone |
Okay |
| 01:38 |
Nana10 |
what is g-rated? |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, is this a home machine? |
| 01:38 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
Yes, VPS are cool though COntrol of own Servers are amazing I don't like being stuck with Shaerd/VPS gennypigs hosting providers. |
| 01:38 |
Nana10 |
> OldCoder no |
| 01:38 |
OldCoder |
G-Rated means no adult humor or try to keep it under control |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, what is the machine exactly? |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, explain IOMMU issue |
| 01:39 |
sloantothebone |
Will building interfere with my current installed minetest? |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
Please |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
sloantothebone, nope |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
Not at all |
| 01:39 |
sloantothebone |
Okay |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
If you do it right can have many different server processes |
| 01:39 |
sloantothebone |
Do you wanna pm me? |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
Not right now LOTT is at risk |
| 01:39 |
sloantothebone |
Oh |
| 01:39 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
I have failed 06 times with running a stable minetestserver on VPS running. |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
But I will show you what to do when we can talk |
| 01:39 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
OldCoder.. |
| 01:39 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, go on |
| 01:39 |
* OldCoder |
is listening |
| 01:40 |
Nana10 |
I'd could paste the lshw or stuff, but I'm really noob. so you must tell me the exactly way to answer.. sorry :( |
| 01:40 |
sloantothebone |
Imma try reinstalling minetest, see if I get the latest build |
| 01:40 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, no... just tell us... whose machine is this and where is it? |
| 01:40 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, please explain. I really don't want to shut down LOTT but will need to do so. |
| 01:40 |
Nana10 |
it's my old one and it's in germany lol w00t |
| 01:41 |
OldCoder |
The core devs are not even responding |
| 01:41 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
the IOMMU is what minetest uses for everything. |
| 01:41 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, fine. Is it where you are or not? |
| 01:41 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, IOMMU is basic hardware |
| 01:41 |
OldCoder |
Everything uses IOMMU |
| 01:41 |
OldCoder |
Go on |
| 01:41 |
Nana10 |
I can use it 2 days of 7. so on weekends I'm allowed to use it |
| 01:41 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, are you an adult, a teenager, or a child? |
| 01:42 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
Not really, IOMMU being completely stable is what is failling a Stable minetest server. |
| 01:42 |
OldCoder |
Asking for practical reasons |
| 01:42 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, explain, please |
| 01:42 |
Nana10 |
the user is a child, I'm an adult.. a noob adult |
| 01:42 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, noob is fine. Explain allowed to use it remark. |
| 01:42 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
Adult 24 years old with my own Technical company |
| 01:42 |
OldCoder |
Fine |
| 01:42 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, I meant Nana10 not you |
| 01:42 |
OldCoder |
Pleased to meet you BTW |
| 01:43 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
Okay the reason are as follows.. |
| 01:43 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, noob is fine. Explain allowed to use it remark. |
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| 01:43 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, listening with interest |
| 01:43 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, explain allowed to use it. Also explain if the machine is with you or how you access it. |
| 01:43 |
OldCoder |
Do you have ssh access to this machine? Or are you sitting in front of it? |
| 01:43 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
YOur server crashes due to the IOMMU not releasing the threads properly thus making the process Termination a fatal.. |
| 01:44 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, you are stating that there is a hardware or compiler bug |
| 01:44 |
Nana10 |
no, I'm accessing it without ssh, without orca, or other programs, I'm really here and have root rights |
| 01:44 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, which is it? And how do you connect it to the log? |
| 01:45 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, do you *own* this machine? Explain the "allowed to use it" remark. Last time I am asking. |
| 01:45 |
Nana10 |
but only until tomorrow, I'd really wanna see that smile, and I'd tell the user that the smile isn't my win, it's the community's win :p |
| 01:45 |
OldCoder |
I have asked three or four times. Please respond. |
| 01:45 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, do you *own* this machine? Explain the "allowed to use it" remark. Last time I am asking. |
| 01:45 |
OldCoder |
I have asked three or four times. Please respond or the discussion must end now. |
| 01:45 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
When a Server crash the CPU would notify the Processes to terminate properly and the IOMMU runs stable thus saving everything to hard drives, exporting ram to disk and then restarting the server flushing server Threats preparing Server Halt. |
| 01:46 |
Nana10 |
I guess I own it... my english isn't that good. but.. I can log in when I ask for it |
| 01:46 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, that does not parse, with all due respect. When a server crashes? What crash? |
| 01:46 |
Nana10 |
I'm the "admin" that is totally noob |
| 01:46 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, where is this machine? I don't mean Germany. |
| 01:46 |
OldCoder |
You are AT the machine? At your home? |
| 01:46 |
OldCoder |
Is this at your home? |
| 01:47 |
OldCoder |
Please explain. Your English is good enough. |
| 01:47 |
Nana10 |
no, I'm not at home |
| 01:47 |
Nana10 |
why is this info needed? |
| 01:47 |
OldCoder |
Is this at a company? At your job? |
| 01:47 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
Both Hardware AND Compiler bugs when the server is Not compiled to make use of every hardware feature the server can crash without knowing its master machine with server benefits. |
| 01:47 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, enough. I have spent like 15 minutes trying to get the most basic info imaginable. |
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| 01:47 |
OldCoder |
It is needed to understand the issue and to explain things in a way that will work. |
| 01:47 |
Nana10 |
ok, I answer, no it's a friend home |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
So your machine is stored at a friend's home?? |
| 01:48 |
Nana10 |
it's not mine |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
And you must go there to use it? |
| 01:48 |
Nana10 |
it was mine |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
So, he/she will let you put MT on it? |
| 01:48 |
Nana10 |
yes |
| 01:48 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
Oldcofer Notify e whrn your free. |
| 01:48 |
OldCoder |
Now, log-in please |
| 01:49 |
Nana10 |
where? |
| 01:49 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, the explanation does not quite parse, but thank you |
| 01:49 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
Oldcoder Notify me when your free. |
| 01:49 |
Nana10 |
ip:port? |
| 01:49 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, is this a Linux box? |
| 01:49 |
OldCoder |
No |
| 01:49 |
OldCoder |
You are at the machine, right? |
| 01:49 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, is this a Linux box? |
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| 01:49 |
Nana10 |
this is just a regular pc |
| 01:50 |
Nana10 |
that runs debian |
| 01:50 |
Nana10 |
forgot the version, because the user's deleted the files I needed to update MT. I guess the user was pissed. as childs are pissed to any little thing.. |
| 01:51 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
You had a server crash and recovery is next then preventing this from happening again. you shouldn't have to be a victim to server crashes. |
| 01:51 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, fine. Suggestions? |
| 01:51 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, log into the Debian command prompt |
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| 01:53 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
Yes.. YOur log that you've shown shows hat the Server crashed not due to a Kill command though to a hardware failure. |
| 01:53 |
Nana10 |
as? this debian is so retarded, I must make sudoers file blablabla I can login as with root terminal and install programms. but fck no, I can't add users via console. no damn setpw or mkpw or whatever is ok for this OS |
| 01:53 |
Nana10 |
ok I log in |
| 01:53 |
Nana10 |
pls don't destroy this pc man |
| 01:54 |
Nana10 |
I trust u |
| 01:54 |
Nana10 |
u help me out, I will help you out. I've already had heard u use C for MT |
| 01:54 |
OldCoder |
We are not going to do anything right now Nana10 |
| 01:54 |
OldCoder |
This is to assess |
| 01:54 |
OldCoder |
Do this: |
| 01:54 |
OldCoder |
sudo bash |
| 01:54 |
OldCoder |
Are you able to do so? |
| 01:55 |
Nana10 |
I'm root. no sudo needed |
| 01:55 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
OldCoder.. Your Log shows "2015-07-03 17:33:07: INFO[ServerThread]: ServerMap: Unloaded 47 blocks from memory, of which 5 were written, 1684 blocks in memory. 2015-07-03 17:33:07: INFO[ServerThread]: ServerMap: Blocks modified by: 2015-07-03 17:33:07: INFO[ServerThread]: setTimestamp, Timestamp expired (step): - 5" |
| 01:55 |
OldCoder |
Fine, so you are not such a noob Nana10 |
| 01:55 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, do you have a suggestion? |
| 01:55 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, uname -a |
| 01:55 |
Nana10 |
regular console is fcked up. says like "no blabla in sudoers file" |
| 01:55 |
OldCoder |
When you say regular console, what do you mean? Nana10 |
| 01:56 |
Nana10 |
Linux na-me 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:56 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
"Timestamp expired (step): - 5" means that you have buffer overruns which a crash would corruption. |
| 01:57 |
Nana10 |
x86 rus even almost fine, except, even win xp says: no man! bluescreen mofo :( |
| 01:57 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
lol |
| 01:57 |
Nana10 |
rus = runs* |
| 01:58 |
chicken |
oldcoder |
| 01:58 |
Nana10 |
this hardware is really annoying, I really need to find out why the. fk |
| 01:58 |
chicken |
dudegamer/gamerdude here |
| 01:58 |
OldCoder |
chicken |
| 01:58 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
OldCoder "2015-07-03 17:32:59: VERBOSE[ServerThread]: ServerEnvironment::deactivateFarObjects(): object id=1207 is known by clients; not deleting yet 2015-07-03 17:32:59: VERBOSE[ServerThread]: ServerEnvironment::deactivateFarObjects(): deactivating object id=1208 on inactive block (0,1,-7) 2015-07-03 17:32:59: VERBOSE[ServerThread]: virtual std::string LuaEntitySAO::getStaticData()" this is a Big problem with running server |
| 01:58 |
OldCoder |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas, keep that to PM perhaps |
| 01:58 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, do you have a working CLI or not ? |
| 01:58 |
OldCoder |
It sounds like you do |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
A working command prompt, terminal, shell, etc. |
| 01:59 |
Nana10 |
it's open and I have root access, if you me4an that |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
You said one was corrupted |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
Are you able to explain that? |
| 01:59 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
okat THanks. |
| 01:59 |
Nana10 |
I guess it reads the bourne shell or that, the bash? |
| 01:59 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, do you have Internet access on the box? |
| 02:00 |
OldCoder |
Are you connected here from there? Or using some other PC? |
| 02:00 |
Nana10 |
on the box? I guess yes, I can do apt-get update or stuff |
| 02:00 |
Nana10 |
except that the tabulator stuff doesn't work :3 |
| 02:01 |
Nana10 |
OldCoder: you are crazy 2 problems at once! |
| 02:01 |
Nana10 |
I am connected directely, no vm, nothing |
| 02:01 |
OldCoder |
Hm? You are all set, then |
| 02:01 |
Nana10 |
pc > router > internet |
| 02:02 |
OldCoder |
Now... this is your friend's router, correct? |
| 02:02 |
chicken |
Nana10: OldCoder is HELPING you. |
| 02:02 |
Nana10 |
yes, it is OldCoder |
| 02:02 |
OldCoder |
How would your friend feel about port forwarding two ports: 22 and 30000 to your box? |
| 02:03 |
Nana10 |
I don't understand? |
| 02:03 |
OldCoder |
Do you know what port forwarding is? |
| 02:03 |
Nana10 |
no |
| 02:03 |
OldCoder |
All right. Here is my assessment: |
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| 02:03 |
OldCoder |
You have a working Debian box, root access, Internet. MT will run fine. |
| 02:04 |
OldCoder |
You are not sufficiently experienced to be talked through setup. |
| 02:04 |
OldCoder |
As there are problems of some type that you have difficulty explaining. |
| 02:04 |
OldCoder |
I could go onto your PC and set things up with you watching |
| 02:04 |
OldCoder |
We would be sharing a screen |
| 02:04 |
OldCoder |
Both typing together |
| 02:04 |
OldCoder |
You would take notes |
| 02:04 |
Nana10 |
not really. I've had asked about how to update the version of the existing program |
| 02:04 |
OldCoder |
So you could learn this |
| 02:04 |
OldCoder |
Not really what? |
| 02:05 |
Nana10 |
MT is running without problems, but I need the newer version of it |
| 02:05 |
OldCoder |
Fine |
| 02:05 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, for me personally to help you, I would need to go onto your machine. I do not think this will work out. Good luck. |
| 02:05 |
Nana10 |
since windows is saying: no mate.. here.. take the bluescreen. with .iso's and even with original cd |
| 02:06 |
OldCoder |
How does Windows figure into it? |
| 02:06 |
Nana10 |
maybe it's because the OEM bios |
| 02:07 |
Nana10 |
well lol, try it, I have the orca "app" |
| 02:08 |
Nana10 |
I write the "" because this is a construct of working pieces. not only an "app" "do you have app x?" "nah, I have app z, it's even better!" that's why the "" |
| 02:09 |
Nana10 |
I know what you are knowing... nooooot xD |
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| 02:10 |
Nana10 |
but I am asking to something little into it. just need the push into the right direction, I'll find my way |
| 02:10 |
Pilcrow182 |
I'll just leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20BySC_6HyY |
| 02:11 |
Nana10 |
is this http or flash? |
| 02:11 |
Nana10 |
I use windows for my own Pilcrow182 |
| 02:11 |
Pilcrow182 |
Nana10: no idea. just a vid I found that was funny. |
| 02:12 |
Pilcrow182 |
Nana10: you use windows for your own what? |
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| 02:12 |
Nana10 |
so you think, that trolling me is funny :p |
| 02:12 |
Nana10 |
got that.. |
| 02:12 |
chicken |
hrm |
| 02:12 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
Wow.. |
| 02:13 |
chicken |
what did i step into |
| 02:13 |
Nana10 |
lol a=a nil. looked funny but I don't get it |
| 02:13 |
Nana10 |
a = a isn't even something?????? |
| 02:13 |
Nana10 |
even me noob can say that that's crap |
| 02:14 |
Nana10 |
a == a; a != anythingother; |
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| 02:14 |
Nana10 |
lol is this bugging? :D |
| 02:15 |
luizrpgluiz |
hi all |
| 02:15 |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
Windows is so 2008 for me I could continue to trust a paper wieght Operating System. I have turned to Stable Linux Disro like Fedora, CentOS and FreeBSD without looking back.. How can a person trust a Window of a machine. Great now the internet has this Cloud Crap. Fake soild stuff in the Air.. |
| 02:17 |
Nana10 |
I've had heard that the "arch"-distro is good |
| 02:18 |
Pilcrow182 |
Nana10: trolling you? I don't know what you're talking about. did you ask a question before I posted that link? I just came online, so I didn't see anything from you. just pasted that link because I know there are a few coders here that might find it funny (est31 and exio4 might like it) |
| 02:19 |
sloantothebone |
Hi luizrpgluiz |
| 02:19 |
Nana10 |
didn't meant it offensive Pilcrow182 |
| 02:20 |
Nana10 |
sorry mate |
| 02:20 |
Nana10 |
but many many thanks for the compiling links and sh!t <3 |
| 02:21 |
Nana10 |
OldCoder: so, did you create all this? |
| 02:23 |
Nana10 |
I could google 2, no.. what is the MT engine off? is it the MC original engine or what is this? pls the vanilla name |
| 02:23 |
Nana10 |
apprechiate with online funny chat in future? :3 |
| 02:23 |
Nana10 |
and a child you can help out? :p |
| 02:23 |
Nana10 |
well that's so much |
| 02:24 |
luizrpgluiz |
kkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 02:25 |
Nana10 |
can I link the MT-client to the irc? ingame? |
| 02:26 |
Nana10 |
so like.. are there good servers with some ppl playing on? |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, create all what? Not MT, no. Yes, most of my servers are good. |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
LOTT is in trouble right now though. |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
And yes you can link IRC |
| 02:29 |
OldCoder |
I do that for all my worlds |
| 02:30 |
luizrpgluiz |
OldCoder: hi old :) |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
luizrpgluiz, hello |
| 02:30 |
Nana10 |
I'll promise that you're time won't be wasted OldCoder |
| 02:30 |
Nana10 |
I'll stay for like 5 years |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, I'll help if I can. But in your case I'd need ssh access. |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
Google port forward |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
Do that as first step |
| 02:30 |
OldCoder |
Type port forward and the router model into Google |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
port forward baconbrand |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
for example |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
port forward cisco |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
port forward ne8844 |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
etc. |
| 02:31 |
Nana10 |
masc changing aaaaw xD |
| 02:31 |
OldCoder |
? |
| 02:32 |
Nana10 |
This technique is most commonly used to make services on a host residing on a protected or masqueraded (internal) network available to hosts on the opposite side of the gateway (external network), by remapping the destination IP address and port number of the communication to an internal host |
| 02:33 |
Nana10 |
sounds like irc technique |
| 02:33 |
Nana10 |
or other stuff like battle.net |
| 02:34 |
luizrpgluiz |
OldCoder: what is the vps site you use to host your server? |
| 02:34 |
Nana10 |
so yes, I need a client, that runs the correct protocol to join a server. no.. have not the right protocol. the compiling will last a bit because I've got some links from you in this chat. but I am way too sleepy to do this now |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
luizrpgluiz, me |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, good night |
| 02:35 |
Nana10 |
no vps lol, I'm naked |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
luizrpgluiz, I am technically a webhost myself |
| 02:35 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, thanks for sharing :P |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
^ Joke |
| 02:36 |
Nana10 |
sharing what? |
| 02:36 |
Nana10 |
T_T |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
T_T ? |
| 02:36 |
Nana10 |
trolled/10 :p |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
?? |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
We are having idiomatic language issues, never mind |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
Google as I said |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
port forward |
| 02:36 |
Nana10 |
sucessfully.trolled/10 |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
and add the model of your router |
| 02:36 |
OldCoder |
?? |
| 02:36 |
Nana10 |
ok thx mate |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
Good luck |
| 02:37 |
Nana10 |
next time I'll help with program |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
kk |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
Night |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
Moin |
| 02:37 |
Nana10 |
thank you very much!!! |
| 02:37 |
Nana10 |
sleep good |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
Danke... shoen? |
| 02:37 |
Nana10 |
ja, danke schön :D |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
luizrpgluiz, I own my own hardware |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
o/ |
| 02:37 |
Nana10 |
oe is right though |
| 02:37 |
OldCoder |
kk |
| 02:38 |
technomancy |
Nana10: "this program has too many files" reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCud8H7z7vU |
| 02:39 |
Nana10 |
sec 40 lol |
| 02:40 |
Nana10 |
yep, nice trolling me noob technomancy :p |
| 02:40 |
OldCoder |
Nana10, don't put yourself down, if that is what you are doing |
| 02:41 |
Nana10 |
wow, thx OldCoder: I try not to, I am an oldfag.. since 2k online :3 |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
kk |
| 02:41 |
OldCoder |
Then don't deprecate noob |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
Build on what you can |
| 02:42 |
Nana10 |
ok, sir |
| 02:42 |
OldCoder |
|
| 02:42 |
* OldCoder |
online since 1973 :-) |
| 02:42 |
Nana10 |
can google xD ok ok sorry |
| 02:43 |
Nana10 |
well I wander around, the one says pascal the other says python. don't want to butthurt somebuddy because the 3rd says c#. w00t d0? :3 |
| 02:44 |
Nana10 |
I love quake. quake is in c. c pure |
| 02:44 |
Nana10 |
I love other stuff. most is in java. all say java is shit |
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| 02:45 |
technomancy |
java isn't that much worse than C for large programs |
| 02:45 |
Nana10 |
I like the firefox, it's c with mix of wtf-not, c'mon ^^ |
| 02:45 |
technomancy |
they are both unbearably primitive |
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| 02:46 |
Nana10 |
I don't want to settle a fight, I just want to know: which is MT-speak? |
| 02:47 |
Nana10 |
what* |
| 02:47 |
sloantothebone |
MT-speak? |
| 02:47 |
sloantothebone |
Hmm? Wait a minute |
| 02:48 |
sloantothebone |
I've been wondering... Ya minecraft is in java and minetest is in c++ BUT its just an engine, how does java compare to minetest's lua api? |
| 02:49 |
Nana10 |
I'd understand anything until lua api. |
| 02:49 |
Nana10 |
lua is a datapase afaik |
| 02:49 |
technomancy |
sloantothebone: a bigger difference is that minetest is designed for modding and minecraft has to be reverse-engineered |
| 02:49 |
sloantothebone |
True |
| 02:50 |
sloantothebone |
But... I've been enjoying Voxelands which is also not designed for modding, quite an enjoyable game |
| 02:50 |
technomancy |
lua is easier to use than java for simple programs, but it also makes it much easier to make mistakes |
| 02:51 |
technomancy |
neither is a very advanced language, but they both have really good runtimes |
| 02:51 |
sloantothebone |
Has anybody here played voxelands? |
| 02:51 |
sloantothebone |
Pure compiled code |
| 02:51 |
Nana10 |
well, I want to learn how to program, not how to make mistakes |
| 02:51 |
technomancy |
sloantothebone: that's a stupid claim |
| 02:51 |
technomancy |
sloantothebone: lua is compiled too |
| 02:51 |
Nana10 |
I just need an actual game |
| 02:52 |
technomancy |
Nana10: learning lua to write mods is a great way to learn programming |
| 02:52 |
Nana10 |
sloantothebone: no |
| 02:52 |
sloantothebone |
Well... its not designed to be moddable |
| 02:52 |
technomancy |
sloantothebone: right; they took minetest, forked it, and took out the best part |
| 02:52 |
technomancy |
._. |
| 02:53 |
sloantothebone |
Nana10: I enjoyed programming with AutoHotkey, that is really easy |
| 02:53 |
sloantothebone |
technomancy: What part? |
| 02:53 |
Nana10 |
what is lua exactly? I mean, what does it do to the game? to the exec-file or to the what? sorry for noob questions |
| 02:53 |
Nana10 |
but I promise, if this source code is open, I will learn and help |
| 02:54 |
technomancy |
Nana10: lua is a programming language that's embedded in larger programs |
| 02:54 |
technomancy |
Nana10: minetest mods are written in lua |
| 02:55 |
sloantothebone |
Nana10: Yeah I always see lua embedded like that lol |
| 02:56 |
Nana10 |
sloantothebone: you sound like you make fun of it |
| 02:56 |
sloantothebone |
Its in mintest, its in cheat engine, its in orbiter |
| 02:56 |
sloantothebone |
Make fun of what? |
| 02:56 |
sloantothebone |
Oh lua? |
| 02:57 |
sloantothebone |
Ohhhh... I mean I have always seen lua being used in another program, never alone |
| 02:57 |
Nana10 |
yes, but I am noob. so don't take it seriously |
| 02:57 |
sloantothebone |
Ok |
| 02:58 |
technomancy |
Nana10: I'm actually working on a mod to allow you to learn programming from inside minetest itself rather than writing a mod |
| 02:58 |
sloantothebone |
You wanna learn programming? So do I |
| 02:58 |
Nana10 |
yes, even this "api" word, I'll have to learn and to try and what it is and things before I can write comments |
| 02:58 |
technomancy |
https://github.com/technomancy/calandria if you are interested, though it still needs some work |
| 02:58 |
sloantothebone |
technomancy: Ooooh? that interests me |
| 02:59 |
technomancy |
sloantothebone: happy to take any feedback =) |
| 02:59 |
Nana10 |
well, I'd help, I need experience with programming and stuff |
| 02:59 |
sloantothebone |
Nana10: API cant remember what it stands for but makes it easier to program things by adding libraries or calls or something |
| 02:59 |
Nana10 |
looks good. the pic's I mean. Can't deal with the code |
| 03:00 |
technomancy |
eventually I want to make a world that has introductory instructions and puzzles you solve with some programming |
| 03:00 |
technomancy |
but I'm not quite there yet |
| 03:00 |
Nana10 |
so I have to learn lua? |
| 03:01 |
technomancy |
yes |
| 03:01 |
technomancy |
you don't want to learn C++ as a beginner; it is a big pile of hurt |
| 03:01 |
Nana10 |
I've had tried some python. was fun imo |
| 03:01 |
technomancy |
there are times when it makes sense to use it (like when integrating with a 3D engine like minetest does) but it's wise to stay away from it for as long as possible |
| 03:02 |
technomancy |
Nana10: lua is a lot like python, but much simpler; fewer weird quirks |
| 03:02 |
Nana10 |
u kidding technomancy? |
| 03:02 |
technomancy |
...no? |
| 03:02 |
technomancy |
python is a big language |
| 03:03 |
Nana10 |
I don't want to push buttons, I want to learn how the engine works. not every single thing but, the most of |
| 03:03 |
Nana10 |
only have played around with python. but I want more, I think every language works in kind of this way |
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| 03:05 |
Nana10 |
I know, read the source-code |
| 03:05 |
Nana10 |
I will |
| 03:06 |
Nana10 |
but just wanted to know maybe the hard issues of the MT-debian problem. so the cpu- issue is clear |
| 03:06 |
Nana10 |
but win xp issue still NOT clear xD |
| 03:06 |
Nana10 |
this hardware makes me mad omg |
| 03:07 |
technomancy |
Nana10: every imperative language works basically the same way, but not all languages are imperative |
| 03:07 |
Nana10 |
technomancy: sounds very acceptable and well understandable |
| 03:08 |
Nana10 |
technomancy: I guess you're longer here then me, if I'd not spam the chat and I'd post links with real output: would I'd get better acceptance? |
| 03:09 |
Nana10 |
asthen: where is the acceptable imag upI04der |
| 03:11 |
Nana10 |
where = what |
| 03:12 |
Nana10 |
best = ofc: no ip logging, nor img hosting or saving or sharing |
| 03:13 |
Nana10 |
like pastebin for images |
| 03:13 |
technomancy |
Nana10: I'm not sure I follow, but yeah if you have questions about error messages you'll get better help if you post the details |
| 03:14 |
Nana10 |
but I don't really want to p2p or here, I'd like to have an anonymous sharer |
| 03:14 |
FreeFull |
Crafting broke |
| 03:15 |
FreeFull |
When I try to split a stack into two slots, all of the stack goes into the second slot |
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| 03:15 |
FreeFull |
Seems to affect some but not all inventory slots too |
| 03:15 |
sloantothebone |
technomancy: you never told me what the best part was that they took out of voxelands |
| 03:16 |
FreeFull |
I can presplit the stack but that's not the same |
| 03:17 |
* sloantothebone |
is dealing with 4 annoying basenjis |
| 03:21 |
soft_libre |
FreeFull: something simmilar happened to me |
| 03:21 |
technomancy |
sloantothebone: the ability to extend it with a scritping language |
| 03:22 |
soft_libre |
yesterday I tried to craft something, I put a cube of tree to craft wood and nothing |
| 03:22 |
soft_libre |
I wanted to craft a shared chest, and split 8 cubes, put one on the crafter, one more and then all 8 cubes was at the crafter |
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| 03:23 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: what did you do on Python? (Python2 or 3?) |
| 03:23 |
Nana10 |
python 3. the spider game lol |
| 03:24 |
Nana10 |
last program failed |
| 03:24 |
soft_libre |
spider game? can you send me a link? |
| 03:24 |
soft_libre |
did you use github/bitbucket? |
| 03:24 |
soft_libre |
did you try other languages than Python3? |
| 03:24 |
FreeFull |
soft_libre: Restarting minetest didn't help either, so it might be something serverside |
| 03:25 |
soft_libre |
yep, FreeFull, I restarted minetest, updated through "git update", compiled, nothing... |
| 03:25 |
Nana10 |
https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/oneiric/laby/ |
| 03:26 |
Nana10 |
that are all my pyhton "pro leet knowings", nah, really, I wan to learn some game |
| 03:26 |
Nana10 |
that has FUTURE |
| 03:26 |
FreeFull |
soft_libre: What if you make a new world? |
| 03:27 |
soft_libre |
wait wait wait... Nana10 that is something like gnurobots! :-) awesome! |
| 03:27 |
soft_libre |
FreeFull: I don't know, I was playing on a server also... |
| 03:27 |
soft_libre |
FreeFull: and I always tried on the same server... But today, everything was fine... |
| 03:27 |
Nana10 |
ok, quake is past future so much, but think about it. the COD-games are like a "mod" of the idtech-engine. so the enging is something, that I wanna like to know. same to MT or MC. I want to know how it wors out and manipulate it:3 |
| 03:28 |
Nana10 |
gnurobot |
| 03:29 |
soft_libre |
jaja :D well... is for learning programming in scheme :-P but, I don't recomend to start learning scheme XD |
| 03:29 |
* soft_libre |
hates ubuntu apps!!! |
| 03:30 |
* soft_libre |
wants to download python sources for Laby!!! |
| 03:30 |
* Nana10 |
whine about being trolled by soft_libre |
| 03:31 |
Nana10 |
much noob. so cry. meh. ;_; |
| 03:31 |
soft_libre |
can you send me a link where I can download the sources! I don't have Ubuntu |
| 03:31 |
soft_libre |
(the link for download is apt://laby :-P it wont work on other distros! :-P ) |
| 03:32 |
* soft_libre |
wasn't trolling you Nana10 |
| 03:32 |
Nana10 |
why should I send you the link for a... (omg, now I've barely got it) API?, that you don't have? |
| 03:33 |
Nana10 |
apt link wow thx guys!!! pls no virus lol |
| 03:33 |
soft_libre |
? |
| 03:33 |
Nana10 |
I mean really, pls no virus |
| 03:33 |
technomancy |
I gotta take off but if you have any questions about calandria you can PM me or open a github issue |
| 03:33 |
soft_libre |
apt://laby is the link at the page you gave me |
| 03:34 |
Nana10 |
apt- link: I clicked and my cpu-fan gets crazy |
| 03:34 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: wait... what did you do then? do you try the game writing a code or you did Laby? |
| 03:35 |
Nana10 |
I've just clicked on it? |
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Nana10 |
soft_libre |
| 03:35 |
soft_libre |
well, the link is going to install Laby into your computer, laby was the ink you gave me... |
| 03:35 |
soft_libre |
noop! jajajaja :D you don't need it! |
| 03:35 |
soft_libre |
*"link" not "ink" |
| 03:36 |
Nana10 |
I know the jajajaja means lol? am I right? |
| 03:36 |
soft_libre |
Yep! |
| 03:36 |
soft_libre |
Sorry, spanish translation of LoL XD |
| 03:36 |
Nana10 |
you'd should see my proud under lip :3 |
| 03:36 |
Nana10 |
finally success |
| 03:36 |
soft_libre |
well, a "lol" not so Loud :-P |
| 03:37 |
soft_libre |
I want that app!!! Laby seems interesting... |
| 03:37 |
Nana10 |
pls no troll, need to learn |
| 03:37 |
soft_libre |
but cannot download :-P |
| 03:38 |
soft_libre |
can you share your code in some way? |
| 03:38 |
soft_libre |
(if you want to, of course) |
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Nana10 |
if'd share my code from laby if I'd had finish the last level |
| 03:40 |
Nana10 |
meh, I'll come back |
| 03:40 |
soft_libre |
ahh... why? |
| 03:40 |
Nana10 |
and I do not take man-hormones |
| 03:40 |
soft_libre |
? |
| 03:40 |
Nana10 |
dunno, the game is cool |
| 03:40 |
Nana10 |
and there is still a good fan-base |
| 03:40 |
soft_libre |
jaja :D yep, gnurobots was cool and that one seems cool too! |
| 03:41 |
soft_libre |
(but with better graphics!!!) |
| 03:41 |
Nana10 |
I mean this is irc and there are SO many people. never expected that! so I'll come more often, and if the community is good, I'll stay |
| 03:42 |
Nana10 |
I mean, threre are like 1-9001 enines out there. I like the good ones |
| 03:42 |
Nana10 |
graphics bother me not |
| 03:43 |
Nana10 |
I like people because of the game and it's possibilities, and not because of it's grapics |
| 03:43 |
soft_libre |
no, but I'm think of other people... for teaching python or other languages |
| 03:43 |
Nana10 |
btw MT is so ugly omg xD |
| 03:43 |
Nana10 |
and I like it |
| 03:43 |
sloantothebone |
Ugly? |
| 03:45 |
Nana10 |
ugly.. genious? what do you make out of this sandbox? |
| 03:45 |
soft_libre |
oh! I think I found Laby source code... |
| 03:45 |
soft_libre |
https://github.com/sgimenez/laby |
| 03:45 |
soft_libre |
Open Source said on Ubuntu Apps??? It is GPL v3 |
| 03:45 |
Nana10 |
ok soft_libre. you've got me |
| 03:46 |
Nana10 |
never clicked on one of this urls |
| 03:46 |
Nana10 |
but now I'll have to |
| 03:46 |
soft_libre |
:) |
| 03:47 |
soft_libre |
that's strange, is written in OCaml... never programmed on that language... |
| 03:48 |
Nana10 |
so...... the creepers in mc, attacking straight, so and the spiders are similar, are the mt-"enemies" same in function and/or *bility? |
| 03:48 |
Nana10 |
cliecked on github-url's yes, clicked on the links there- no. that's what I've meant |
| 03:49 |
soft_libre |
what a strange language OCaml is! |
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| 03:50 |
Nana10 |
whatusaid dot org? |
| 03:50 |
soft_libre |
seems funcitonal language... |
| 03:50 |
Nana10 |
I'll take it as a yes |
| 03:51 |
Nana10 |
omg I'm too dumb for imperative ;_; |
| 03:51 |
Nana10 |
I'd like to choose but not to conquer |
| 03:52 |
soft_libre |
well... functional language is another paradigm, you shouldn't try that because is a bit more complicated at first... at least for programmers... |
| 03:53 |
soft_libre |
for mathematitians, well.... maybe is a better paradigm than imperative... |
| 03:53 |
soft_libre |
But, keep with Python! |
| 03:53 |
Nana10 |
wow, no offense but.. fuk u xD |
| 03:54 |
Nana10 |
I really have nor of that clue :( |
| 03:54 |
Nana10 |
I'd say I like you because of your knowing, but that'd be a llie, because: I dunno what ur code does :3 |
| 03:54 |
soft_libre |
that's good... no need to fuck anyone... |
| 03:54 |
soft_libre |
XD |
| 03:55 |
Nana10 |
though: thank you a lot for your time: I swear: I'll put that into all my programs |
| 03:55 |
soft_libre |
well, let me understand, you're learning programming... |
| 03:56 |
soft_libre |
and you started with Python3, that's a good start! |
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| 03:56 |
Nana10 |
yes |
| 03:56 |
soft_libre |
You used Laby for starting, and that's very good, you need motivation at first... |
| 03:56 |
soft_libre |
the next step is try Python3 by its interpreter... |
| 03:57 |
Nana10 |
lol laby is like: "you do, it work kek" |
| 03:57 |
soft_libre |
(download Python3 through the oficial web) |
| 03:57 |
Nana10 |
nah, I need the cold water |
| 03:57 |
Nana10 |
I want the heavy shit |
| 03:57 |
soft_libre |
well, programming is like "computer, do what I say"... |
| 03:57 |
soft_libre |
if you programm in Python, the computer usually answer you "fine" |
| 03:58 |
Nana10 |
the: why do you throw this shit in the ram when you could bridge the a-b-c- (some hardwarelanguagehere)- instead |
| 03:58 |
soft_libre |
if you use C, C++, Lisp, others, the computer usually will answer: "no way! go to the sh****" |
| 03:58 |
Nana10 |
that's where I wanna go |
| 03:59 |
soft_libre |
don't get it... |
| 03:59 |
Nana10 |
the bot, sure, I am fail at. but I can program the bot in the senseless time, when other people smoke or so. then... I want to learn how to manipulate engines |
| 03:59 |
soft_libre |
(I mean, I don't get this: "the: why do you throw this shit in the ram when you...") |
| 04:00 |
soft_libre |
the thing is that engines are more complicated... but if you like, just read the minetest source code |
| 04:00 |
soft_libre |
Minetest use Irrlicht as the graphic and "environmental" engine |
| 04:00 |
Nana10 |
I've had heard, hat the language before the language is like the parent language... lol maybe that makes sense? |
| 04:01 |
Nana10 |
the funny is that: |
| 04:01 |
Nana10 |
I am german and the "Irrlicht" means "confused light" |
| 04:01 |
soft_libre |
Irrlicht is a library written in C (or C++?) for loading graphics, creating cubes/spheres and loading 3D models |
| 04:02 |
soft_libre |
also, it can manipulate light sources |
| 04:02 |
Nana10 |
I've had read about it before, but c'mon. how do I manipulate it? Is it still the MC-engine? |
| 04:02 |
soft_libre |
(where it came, light position, colour, etc.) |
| 04:02 |
soft_libre |
Nop! it's not Minecraft |
| 04:02 |
soft_libre |
Celeron77 created from scratch in C/C++ |
| 04:02 |
Nana10 |
ok I understand (a bit) |
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| 04:03 |
soft_libre |
but he wanted to create something simmilar in image but using C not Java like MC. |
| 04:03 |
soft_libre |
So, he had to program all starting from zero |
| 04:03 |
Nana10 |
I've heard some german let's player, saying that the "map-building" is defined by an algorythm.. is that correct? |
| 04:04 |
soft_libre |
(and then all the community helped) |
| 04:04 |
soft_libre |
well, the game itself is an algorythm... |
| 04:04 |
soft_libre |
but yes, the map generation is an algorythm too |
| 04:04 |
Nana10 |
ok thx for understand my noob words ! |
| 04:04 |
soft_libre |
that means, in simple words, it's a program that create the world: |
| 04:05 |
soft_libre |
the program tells where the block of snad should go, and a block of dirt, and a block of ... |
| 04:05 |
Nana10 |
is that the called "sandbox"? |
| 04:05 |
soft_libre |
*and |
| 04:05 |
soft_libre |
nop... sandbox is a style of game where you can do "whatever you want" in some sense of saying |
| 04:06 |
soft_libre |
it means, that you have some freedom and you don't have a straight line to follow... |
| 04:06 |
Nana10 |
do you manipulate the code of MT? |
| 04:06 |
soft_libre |
Here is the definition, maybe Wikipedia can tell you better than me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game |
| 04:07 |
soft_libre |
nop, I just programmed some mods |
| 04:07 |
Nana10 |
cool, thx, that helps me too ofc!" |
| 04:07 |
soft_libre |
(but none used on Minetest itself, you have to install for testing. Neither their are famous :-( ) |
| 04:07 |
Nana10 |
-" |
| 04:07 |
soft_libre |
*they |
| 04:08 |
soft_libre |
but that is a start right? |
| 04:08 |
soft_libre |
:-P |
| 04:09 |
Nana10 |
all that information is a start, more that I'd except! |
| 04:09 |
soft_libre |
:) |
| 04:09 |
Nana10 |
I am really happy to get this information from you and very happ |
| 04:09 |
Nana10 |
y about it |
| 04:09 |
y |
me too |
| 04:10 |
soft_libre |
jajaja :D there is someone called "y" XD jajaja |
| 04:10 |
soft_libre |
(or is a bot? ) |
| 04:10 |
y |
very funny |
| 04:10 |
y |
I wish I was a bot |
| 04:10 |
soft_libre |
? |
| 04:10 |
soft_libre |
seems a human |
| 04:10 |
y |
I am not sure |
| 04:10 |
y |
lemme check |
| 04:10 |
soft_libre |
or at least get the Turing test through! |
| 04:10 |
Nana10 |
you make me happy |
| 04:10 |
soft_libre |
XD jajaja :D |
| 04:10 |
* y |
presses his belly |
| 04:11 |
y |
yup, human |
| 04:11 |
soft_libre |
how do you know I'm human? XD |
| 04:11 |
Nana10 |
scam on mt? pls no ;_; |
| 04:12 |
y |
I don't |
| 04:12 |
soft_libre |
the first thing a bot will say: "I'm not a human!" XD jajajaja :D |
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y |
your XD jajajaj :D are creepy |
| 04:12 |
y |
yours* |
| 04:12 |
soft_libre |
XD jajajaj :D |
| 04:12 |
diemartin |
no, "your" |
| 04:12 |
soft_libre |
Well... translating... |
| 04:12 |
* diemartin |
hugs y |
| 04:12 |
Nana10 |
I meet so nice people, those've said: bleedy noob! go further. here some info. and if you fuck up: you're an ass |
| 04:12 |
soft_libre |
XD lol :D |
| 04:13 |
y |
03:52:52 soft_libre | well... functional language is another paradigm, you shouldn't try that because is a bit more complicated at first... at least for programmers... |
| 04:13 |
* y |
hugs diemartin |
| 04:13 |
y |
I am no mathematician |
| 04:13 |
y |
and I like Haskell |
| 04:13 |
y |
which is, indeed, a functional language |
| 04:14 |
soft_libre |
Ohhhhh!!! If you're a bot... you're wise! |
| 04:14 |
soft_libre |
and if you're human... |
| 04:14 |
y |
at best, I am a lazy programmer |
| 04:14 |
soft_libre |
you're wise!!! |
| 04:14 |
soft_libre |
Haskell, I love that language |
| 04:14 |
Nana10 |
soft_libre: omg I feel you so much |
| 04:14 |
y |
I love you too |
| 04:14 |
soft_libre |
? |
| 04:14 |
soft_libre |
should I run? |
| 04:14 |
Nana10 |
y y love me |
| 04:15 |
Nana10 |
no bot, or good bot |
| 04:15 |
* y |
u highlight? |
| 04:15 |
y |
soft_libre: not really |
| 04:15 |
soft_libre |
jajaja :D |
| 04:15 |
soft_libre |
sorry: lol :D |
| 04:15 |
Nana10 |
well.. I suck at programing :( |
| 04:15 |
y |
so do I |
| 04:15 |
Nana10 |
so.. thank you all for the urls |
| 04:15 |
y |
that's why FP is amazing |
| 04:16 |
Nana10 |
I really apprechiate it, you've given me stuff I hoped for |
| 04:16 |
Nana10 |
thx a lot! |
| 04:16 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: we all started programming like you... you just have to try and read |
| 04:17 |
technomancy |
ooooh an ocaml game |
| 04:17 |
* technomancy |
makes grabby hands |
| 04:17 |
soft_libre |
sonner or later you'll be a good programmer... you just have to keep going... keep reading and programming |
| 04:17 |
* y |
hands technomancy ocaml_to_js |
| 04:18 |
y |
now you can run it on your browser! |
| 04:18 |
y |
hurray for JS! |
| 04:18 |
soft_libre |
what? ocaml_to_Js??? |
| 04:18 |
y |
the programming language that makes programming seem more difficult than what it actually is!] |
| 04:18 |
Nana10 |
y u are mean, c'mon, soft_libre is helping me really out! |
| 04:18 |
y |
soft_libre: a compiler from OCaml to JS |
| 04:19 |
soft_libre |
yes yes.... y that's something interesting... |
| 04:19 |
Nana10 |
he's someone I will be, when I know enough |
| 04:19 |
soft_libre |
I can show that game to other people! |
| 04:19 |
soft_libre |
me? |
| 04:19 |
Nana10 |
then I'll be the one, helping the newfags |
| 04:19 |
soft_libre |
are you sure??? Nana10 |
| 04:19 |
y |
I don't know what you are talking about |
| 04:20 |
Nana10 |
I hope u aren't a troll soft_libre |
| 04:20 |
soft_libre |
nop.... |
| 04:20 |
Nana10 |
so, yes, I am sure |
| 04:20 |
soft_libre |
Lol XD |
| 04:20 |
soft_libre |
just ask your questions Nana10 :-) |
| 04:21 |
Nana10 |
let me whine and noob around! the end of the matter is that I am the noob you can laugh about when you give me "easy jobs" and I'm think about for years to solve them meeh |
| 04:23 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: just stop leting you down! just learn and program! |
| 04:23 |
soft_libre |
and, stop saying yourself "noob"... just getting tired of it! |
| 04:26 |
soft_libre |
Ahh... here... https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Python_Programming |
| 04:26 |
Nana10 |
soft_libre: I apprechiate that, but I know what I am can and I can't: and I can't program. Just knowing the for and while 8's isn't programming. when I need the bot? I need a world! why "concor"[fail english here] a man if I can program the world? |
| 04:27 |
Nana10 |
yep, prited all out. it took me 30 minutes to print it all |
| 04:27 |
soft_libre |
lol :-) well, that's a start |
| 04:27 |
Nana10 |
now I have a java book and a python "book" |
| 04:27 |
soft_libre |
well, there is conditionals and iterative instructions... |
| 04:27 |
Nana10 |
anyways it's almost the same |
| 04:28 |
Nana10 |
so.. if I want to manipulate a game... first I start.. that sandbox, don't I? |
| 04:28 |
soft_libre |
for/while/if there are assignment, functions and procedures (wait, Python only have functions, right?) data structures, etc... |
| 04:29 |
soft_libre |
nop, sandbox is a term for refering a type of games |
| 04:29 |
Nana10 |
I say so: all this theoretical stuff I need to test to work. then I believe in it. And no, I am not an Atheist! |
| 04:30 |
Nana10 |
ok I've read what I've wrote... here the beta: xD |
| 04:31 |
Nana10 |
I need.. necessairy! to make mistakes and anything to know how it works |
| 04:31 |
Nana10 |
*necessairiy |
| 04:31 |
soft_libre |
if you want to modify the game, Minetest in this case, you have two possibilities: |
| 04:31 |
soft_libre |
1. to create a mod that adds things (or modify an existent mod to change it behaviour) |
| 04:32 |
soft_libre |
2. to modify the engine, the big huge engine, that changes the base part of the game: graphics, sounds, etc. |
| 04:33 |
soft_libre |
for (1), you need to learn Lua. If you already know Python, then it will became a bit easier. |
| 04:34 |
soft_libre |
for (2).... well... it will get veeeeryyyy harder... and sometimes unnecessary... |
| 04:34 |
Nana10 |
1st of all: that is exactly the info I need. 2nd: OldCoder: hates be now because I know that bot runnin' it's kind of annoying to teach dem noobs shiat |
| 04:34 |
Nana10 |
soft_libre: easier than python? lol |
| 04:35 |
Nana10 |
ok I am a really noob-fag programmer |
| 04:35 |
soft_libre |
Lua? is an interpreted language like python... |
| 04:35 |
soft_libre |
and has a lot of things easy to learn... |
| 04:35 |
soft_libre |
it may be easier to learn than python... |
| 04:35 |
Nana10 |
but, easier then python? is this like CAD or even level-editoring? |
| 04:36 |
soft_libre |
naahh... |
| 04:36 |
soft_libre |
a bit easier... not so much! :-P |
| 04:36 |
soft_libre |
you'll have to write code! :-P |
| 04:36 |
Nana10 |
yes, I want that |
| 04:36 |
Nana10 |
but I need someone to write for |
| 04:37 |
Nana10 |
so I am very happy MT has this huge irc-community |
| 04:37 |
Nana10 |
so.. and the code speaks what? |
| 04:38 |
Nana10 |
I hope c# |
| 04:38 |
Nana10 |
but tell me the truth!!! |
| 04:38 |
soft_libre |
code speaks? what what??? |
| 04:38 |
Nana10 |
pls |
| 04:38 |
soft_libre |
don't get you Nana10 |
| 04:38 |
Nana10 |
I have the url, burt meanwhile I've really got drunk lel |
| 04:38 |
soft_libre |
I searching for the minetest wiki |
| 04:39 |
Nana10 |
wiki.mintest.net |
| 04:39 |
soft_libre |
http://dev.minetest.net/Main_Page |
| 04:39 |
Nana10 |
no |
| 04:39 |
Nana10 |
http://wiki.minetest.net/ |
| 04:39 |
soft_libre |
let see... |
| 04:40 |
soft_libre |
nop.. that one is for users |
| 04:40 |
Nana10 |
kek! I make wiki link to browser without ctrl+c+ctrl+v kekek |
| 04:40 |
Nana10 |
wow, that's the one I am reading at |
| 04:40 |
soft_libre |
http://dev.minetest.net/Main_Page is for developers |
| 04:41 |
Nana10 |
oh ok, I shut up |
| 04:41 |
soft_libre |
if you want to create a mod, you have to go to the http://dev.minetest.net |
| 04:41 |
Nana10 |
thx for the url |
| 04:42 |
Nana10 |
if I'd wanna create a mod I#d should first know how to update this shiat ;_; |
| 04:42 |
soft_libre |
well, that link you can find it on the main site and on the same wiki you gave me... it says there "Developer Wiki" |
| 04:42 |
soft_libre |
what version do you have? |
| 04:42 |
Nana10 |
under 1 lol |
| 04:42 |
Nana10 |
dunno now |
| 04:43 |
soft_libre |
0.4.12 I think is the last one |
| 04:43 |
Nana10 |
0.3.1 or so |
| 04:43 |
Nana10 |
yes |
| 04:43 |
Nana10 |
I know |
| 04:43 |
soft_libre |
ahh.... yep you have to update :-P |
| 04:43 |
soft_libre |
what operative system? Windows or GNU/Linux? |
| 04:43 |
soft_libre |
(or Mac?) |
| 04:43 |
Nana10 |
wow, I'd never thougt 'bout that /irony |
| 04:43 |
Nana10 |
gnu/linux |
| 04:44 |
Nana10 |
tried it in a german channel |
| 04:44 |
Nana10 |
the people had some really good choices, but nothing helped |
| 04:44 |
soft_libre |
Which distro? Ubuntu? |
| 04:44 |
Nana10 |
debian |
| 04:45 |
Nana10 |
with ubuntu - no problem |
| 04:45 |
soft_libre |
jaja My web browser freezes! XD |
| 04:45 |
Nana10 |
wanna root acess here? |
| 04:45 |
soft_libre |
no way! noooo... you and only you keep your root access!!! |
| 04:46 |
sofar |
I'll take root access |
| 04:46 |
soft_libre |
never give your root passwork |
| 04:46 |
Nana10 |
meh, ok. thx |
| 04:46 |
Nana10 |
lol sofar |
| 04:46 |
soft_libre |
*password! |
| 04:47 |
Nana10 |
sofar you're like sleep sleep sleep zzZ blablka . password? passWORD!!!! >:]} |
| 04:47 |
soft_libre |
I think doing sudo apt-get install minetest on the terminal |
| 04:47 |
soft_libre |
is enough to install it |
| 04:48 |
Nana10 |
all the common things I've tried out ofc! |
| 04:48 |
soft_libre |
("sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade minetest" will update it I think) |
| 04:48 |
Nana10 |
I'm noob but I'm not dumb |
| 04:48 |
Nana10 |
aaaaaaal tried |
| 04:48 |
soft_libre |
sorry... never wanted to mean that |
| 04:49 |
soft_libre |
well, for debian "sid" the minetest version is 0.4.12 |
| 04:49 |
Nana10 |
the ower of this pc, has deleted the links I've set to get the latest minetest version |
| 04:49 |
soft_libre |
this link? https://packages.debian.org/sid/minetest |
| 04:49 |
Nana10 |
well I really suck wich linux ;_; |
| 04:49 |
Nana10 |
yes, this link! |
| 04:49 |
Nana10 |
I recognize it, even without clicking |
| 04:50 |
Nana10 |
this is it |
| 04:50 |
soft_libre |
check if your debian is sid, wheezy, jessie or stretch |
| 04:50 |
soft_libre |
(upper-right corner of the web you have links for that debian versions) |
| 04:51 |
Nana10 |
I know how to open the console but... how to make the cli ask... no idea ;_; |
| 04:51 |
Nana10 |
ask*answer |
| 04:51 |
soft_libre |
you'll find a file at /etc/debian or /etc/debian_version with the version name |
| 04:51 |
soft_libre |
what "cli" means? |
| 04:51 |
Nana10 |
comand line interpreter kek |
| 04:51 |
Nana10 |
-kek |
| 04:52 |
soft_libre |
ah! that cli |
| 04:52 |
AnotherBrick |
command line interface |
| 04:52 |
Nana10 |
ok brick |
| 04:52 |
technomancy |
interface, not interpreter |
| 04:52 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: *poke* |
| 04:52 |
soft_libre |
thanks |
| 04:52 |
Nana10 |
even vanessa is on ;_; |
| 04:53 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Heya |
| 04:53 |
Nana10 |
I've seen you on the forums |
| 04:53 |
FreeFull |
Was about to go sleep |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: don't. |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: I need your help :) |
| 04:53 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: How can I help? |
| 04:53 |
VanessaE |
I deleted your player file from VE-V and rolled back to an earlier commit. can you try again please? |
| 04:53 |
Nana10 |
honor or troll? |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
repeat the exact same actions you did before to get the inventory to go wonky |
| 04:54 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: No trolling... |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
Nana10: it's an honor, I hope :P |
| 04:54 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Ok |
| 04:54 |
Nana10 |
this is her? |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
this is me, Nana10. |
| 04:54 |
VanessaE |
the one and only. |
| 04:54 |
soft_libre |
lol :-P |
| 04:54 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: I'm wondering if it's tied to unified_inventory somehow |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: I don't see how |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
I can't reproduce it in singleplayer |
| 04:56 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: well... can you install the new Minetest without compiling and doing all that messy cmake -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 make cd bin/ ./minetest thing? |
| 04:56 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: if you can install without compiling would be great! |
| 04:56 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: I first noticed the wonkiness when I tried to craft something using the All button in the recipe menu |
| 04:56 |
Nana10 |
I've never tried it to compile |
| 04:56 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: thanksfuly! :-) |
| 04:57 |
VanessaE |
the all button?? |
| 04:57 |
VanessaE |
hm |
| 04:57 |
* VanessaE |
tries.. |
| 04:57 |
Nana10 |
I know, that it's so easy anyone'd laugh at me. But I know also that I can't.. can't... can ;_; |
| 04:58 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: Easy to compile you mean? it depends on your operative system... |
| 04:58 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Some people said they lost some minebucks from their inventories |
| 04:58 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: and the things (and libraries) you have installed |
| 04:58 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: well I only saw two corrupted files - yours and Carlh |
| 04:58 |
Nana10 |
I've compiled teamspeak2 like 4 or 5 years ago, but anythings else... not really |
| 04:58 |
technomancy |
Nana10: you can't compile it, but you've never tried? |
| 04:59 |
Nana10 |
soft_libre: that is what I need: what does MT need to run |
| 04:59 |
Nana10 |
in the newest version ofc! |
| 05:00 |
soft_libre |
mmm... lot of thing Nana10... |
| 05:00 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: I logged into the wrong server >_< |
| 05:00 |
technomancy |
Nana10: I told you twice already: `apt-get build-dep minetest` |
| 05:00 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: hm, no, doesn't seem to be the crafting guide doing it |
| 05:00 |
Nana10 |
3xm is not that I wanna read lol |
| 05:00 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: they're listed at the "Other Packages Related to minetest" at the page I gave you before |
| 05:00 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: What about crafting wet cement? |
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| 05:01 |
Nana10 |
soft, if you want, you'd get some access |
| 05:01 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: I see by rolled back you mean completely got rid of everything |
| 05:01 |
Nana10 |
I'd really hate you if it'd be easy |
| 05:01 |
soft_libre |
no, thanks Nana10... |
| 05:01 |
Nana10 |
>sof |
| 05:02 |
soft_libre |
you and only you have to know the root access... |
| 05:02 |
soft_libre |
(or your access :-P ) |
| 05:02 |
soft_libre |
I don't want to see your documents and personal stuff... |
| 05:02 |
Nana10 |
huh? |
| 05:02 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: If I take items out of my chest now, will I lose them when you restore my previous items? |
| 05:03 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: don't do anything right now |
| 05:03 |
VanessaE |
because I may have to clear it again if it happens again |
| 05:03 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Ok |
| 05:03 |
Nana10 |
the user won't really do crazy stuff with this hardware [I won't also, this hardware is so crap or maybe the only 1 not k33pt by Nzz4" an stuff |
| 05:03 |
VanessaE |
I'll just /give you whatever you lost to the bug |
| 05:04 |
VanessaE |
ok trying to craft "All" of wet cement has no effect either. |
| 05:04 |
VanessaE |
at least in singleplayer |
| 05:04 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: I don't have what I had memorised, I hope you know what I had |
| 05:04 |
soft_libre |
Nana10 I'm sorry but I can't... |
| 05:04 |
Nana10 |
but I swear that this pc is fkn hard to manage ;_; |
| 05:04 |
FreeFull |
I don't know if the bug is reproducible outside of your server |
| 05:05 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: And I don't have any debian machine near to help you better.... :-/ |
| 05:05 |
Nana10 |
the problem is another |
| 05:05 |
Nana10 |
this night |
| 05:05 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: So, you don't have the previous contents of the inventory saved? D: |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
no, sorry' |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
didn't think to save it |
| 05:06 |
FreeFull |
): |
| 05:06 |
FreeFull |
My memory isn't that good! |
| 05:06 |
VanessaE |
sorry :( |
| 05:06 |
Nana10 |
I tried to install xp pro and home. have 3 keys. all given ofc. 1 dvd- original key. nothing works |
| 05:06 |
Nana10 |
bluescreen |
| 05:06 |
Nana10 |
no usb to mobile meh |
| 05:07 |
Nana10 |
this hw is sick |
| 05:07 |
Nana10 |
no win7, no winxxp, no mint, nothing |
| 05:08 |
Nana10 |
I'd install debian like 2 times. not it works |
| 05:08 |
Nana10 |
if I do "sudo", then no "sudoers file" is given. sum buddy told me how to fix it |
| 05:09 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: I had a mese pickaxe, mese axe, mese shovel, I think 10 mese crystals, empty bucket, 70 or so basalt, 19 wet cement, some amount of pine wood/pine logs I don't remember, and other stuff |
| 05:09 |
Nana10 |
I fixed it. installed this os (debian) on my friends pc, no sudoers file again (my friend isn't on nope ;;) |
| 05:09 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: ahh... you used "su" |
| 05:10 |
Nana10 |
won't try: not in the sudoers file |
| 05:10 |
Nana10 |
I can just guess |
| 05:10 |
Nana10 |
I say I'm noob |
| 05:10 |
soft_libre |
ahh... no, you are in a user without privileges... |
| 05:10 |
Nana10 |
either I'd sudo the sh!T out of this OS |
| 05:10 |
soft_libre |
but using "su" will change to the root user |
| 05:11 |
soft_libre |
("su" is not "sudo" :-) ) |
| 05:11 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Actually, I probably didn't have any pine logs left at that point |
| 05:11 |
Nana10 |
I can start the gnome terminal with "nothing" |
| 05:11 |
Nana10 |
and the root one |
| 05:11 |
FreeFull |
What I'm wondering about is what happened to the lava I was using to make basalt |
| 05:11 |
Nana10 |
with everything |
| 05:11 |
soft_libre |
well, you need root privileges... |
| 05:12 |
soft_libre |
(you need to enter as the user root) |
| 05:12 |
Nana10 |
in 1..... ONE ... profile... like "windows"'d gonna define :32 |
| 05:12 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: I must have at some point destroyed lava in a way that I didn't even notice |
| 05:12 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: please keep trying to reproduce the bug |
| 05:12 |
VanessaE |
so far nothing unusual is showing in your player file |
| 05:12 |
FreeFull |
Yeah, I'll try |
| 05:13 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Can I have some gravel, temporarily?? |
| 05:13 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: if you have root privs, you can update minetest using apt-get... but if you don't have root privs you can do nothing... :-( |
| 05:14 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: done. |
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soft_libre |
Nana10: (or at least you can compile minetest) |
| 05:14 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Anything? |
| 05:14 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: bupkis. |
| 05:15 |
soft_libre |
Nana10: The problem is that the computer owner don't let you update because he/she doesn't give you privileges for doing so... |
| 05:15 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: I got it to happen in my crafting grid |
| 05:15 |
soft_libre |
and for compiling, install or update you need to install some things... |
| 05:16 |
Nana10 |
soft_libre: yes, that's my last hope. AND: I will do that, but: how do I own this 4 pieces or hw? mb, gfx, cpu, and the damn ram? |
| 05:16 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: just now?? |
| 05:16 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: I tried to craft pavement again using the All button with the alternate recipe |
| 05:16 |
Nana10 |
well, need sum libraries, I guess |
| 05:16 |
Nana10 |
what does minetest need? |
| 05:17 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: ok |
| 05:17 |
Nana10 |
the "cutie" is installed |
| 05:17 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: By the way, I had around 13 10-minegeld notes in my inventory before you erased it |
| 05:17 |
soft_libre |
Irrlicht first: you need to install libirrlicht |
| 05:17 |
VanessaE |
Ah I see the glitch in your inv now |
| 05:18 |
Nana10 |
she's like scraching her head and sleeping and tomorrow she'll be like "no new version, you're a bad admin meh" ;_; |
| 05:18 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Before I tried to make the pavement I made a bunch of wet cement, I don't know if that's relevant |
| 05:19 |
soft_libre |
Ah! here are some good instructions... https://github.com/minetest/minetest |
| 05:19 |
soft_libre |
Scroll down at the section "Compiling on GNU/Linux" |
| 05:19 |
soft_libre |
ah... you'll need "sudo" :-/ |
| 05:19 |
soft_libre |
(if you have root access, you don't need sudo, just type everything without that word) |
| 05:20 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: so you clicked craft guide ("?" button), clicked pavement, then the "All" button under "to craft grid"? |
| 05:20 |
Nana10 |
ok installed the "irrlicht", if you'd be germand and you played gothic2, you'd fear the damn irrlicht's |
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Nana10 |
I am logged in with the root terminal |
| 05:20 |
soft_libre |
oh thanksfully! |
| 05:20 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Clicked the Alternate button before I clicked All |
| 05:20 |
VanessaE |
right |
| 05:21 |
soft_libre |
sorry for flooding a bit guys! Nana10 , execute this: |
| 05:21 |
soft_libre |
apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libfreetype6-dev zlib1g-dev libgmp-dev libjsoncpp-dev |
| 05:21 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: I can't reproduce it in singleplayer |
| 05:21 |
soft_libre |
lol, I though it was larger... |
| 05:22 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: I wonder if it's a red herring |
| 05:22 |
Nana10 |
wow, it does something! |
| 05:22 |
soft_libre |
yep, it install dependencies for compiling :-P |
| 05:22 |
Nana10 |
what is this irrlicht? |
| 05:22 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: How about you craft a piece of wet cement with just one bit of gravel, so that spot is left empty after the crafting? |
| 05:22 |
soft_libre |
is the graphic-light-3D engine |
| 05:22 |
Nana10 |
I read fakeroot |
| 05:22 |
soft_libre |
? |
| 05:22 |
Nana10 |
pls it's legit |
| 05:22 |
soft_libre |
where? |
| 05:23 |
Nana10 |
where? |
| 05:23 |
soft_libre |
well, I copied that from the github minetest page |
| 05:23 |
Nana10 |
I can post the pastebin here |
| 05:23 |
soft_libre |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest |
| 05:23 |
Nana10 |
when I read fakeroot I get a bit beasty |
| 05:24 |
Nana10 |
maybe it's the person who's programed this thingy and 8/10 trolling+# |
| 05:25 |
soft_libre |
? still don't get it... where says fakeroot? at the terminal? |
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| 05:29 |
soft_libre |
well, I found a program called fakeroot |
| 05:29 |
Nana10 |
ok I just get a mega: fkn pastbin is fudk up I hate it |
| 05:29 |
Nana10 |
I'm not a damn bot |
| 05:29 |
Nana10 |
neither tor outexit or other damn stuff |
| 05:30 |
Nana10 |
pastebin and ssl aren't friends, are they? |
| 05:30 |
soft_libre |
well, manpage says something like this: runs a command in an environment wherein it appears to have root privileges... |
| 05:30 |
Nana10 |
is there other, non jew shit, where I can post the code on? |
| 05:31 |
Nana10 |
all my plugins are off |
| 05:31 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Any luck? |
| 05:31 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: no. there's one inventory-related var in UI that's marked as global though, might be related. |
| 05:31 |
VanessaE |
local-ized that |
| 05:31 |
VanessaE |
checking for other bugs |
| 05:31 |
Nana10 |
javascript:anabled=? yes!!! |
| 05:31 |
soft_libre |
pastebin.com ? |
| 05:32 |
Nana10 |
and this "distro" is leet? |
| 05:32 |
Nana10 |
and this "distro" is leet? |
| 05:32 |
Nana10 |
yes, debian, is really buggy, is this normal? |
| 05:33 |
sofar |
yes |
| 05:33 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: You can clear my inventory again and I'll try reproducing it again. Just give me a bucket, gravel, and basalt |
| 05:33 |
Nana10 |
so, I need the right libraries, to get it my way...? |
| 05:33 |
soft_libre |
for compiling, yes.... |
| 05:34 |
soft_libre |
but, if you're using fakeroot... I think you'll get nowhere... |
| 05:34 |
Nana10 |
what is a fakeroot? |
| 05:34 |
soft_libre |
fakeroot is a program that makes your terminal appears like a root terminal |
| 05:34 |
Nana10 |
I won't gonna damge anybody lol |
| 05:34 |
Nana10 |
cmon |
| 05:34 |
soft_libre |
I'm installing right now to see how it works |
| 05:35 |
Nana10 |
I gues I could write that shit but I want to mod some games to see children laugh, and maybe to see some chat people laugh |
| 05:35 |
Nana10 |
sorry for swearing |
| 05:36 |
Nana10 |
kek in germany it's called swearing, too |
| 05:36 |
Nana10 |
just otherwise transpelled |
| 05:37 |
Nana10 |
well, I guess I use the fakeroot" app" |
| 05:38 |
soft_libre |
well, fakeroot only write "root machine" and that's all... |
| 05:39 |
soft_libre |
it doesn't give you root privileges, just that |
| 05:39 |
soft_libre |
logout, start a terminal, execute "su" and write the password |
| 05:39 |
soft_libre |
"su" doesn't require the sudoers file |
| 05:39 |
Nana10 |
funny is, that I've talked about "that" vanessa, and then the user is asleep (ofc) and I'm like "shiiiiat, how to get it go?", and she's like "kek here I am" - I wish the pc user would apprechiate that. and hurtrrrrr ok later more iks dee |
| 05:40 |
VanessaE |
huh? |
| 05:40 |
Nana10 |
soft_libre: I guess you're wrong |
| 05:40 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: It's 6:40am, I need sleep |
| 05:41 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 05:41 |
VanessaE |
meanwhile I can't reproduce it at all |
| 05:41 |
Nana10 |
I've had some cmd's working out |
| 05:41 |
VanessaE |
locally that is |
| 05:42 |
Nana10 |
I really doen't know this OS well, but I know abiiiiiiit (6/100) how to treat it :3 |
| 05:42 |
soft_libre |
nop... fakeroot simmulate the chmod, stat, whoami, and other commands to show that "works" like in root |
| 05:42 |
Nana10 |
navigate, ok. aaaaaaand. that's it |
| 05:43 |
soft_libre |
but really does nothing |
| 05:43 |
Nana10 |
root "can" everything |
| 05:43 |
soft_libre |
but fakeroot fake your terminal |
| 05:43 |
soft_libre |
it shows "root" but really you don't have root privs |
| 05:43 |
Nana10 |
is fakeroot a program? |
| 05:44 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Did you try my suggestion with wet cement, where you craft it until the gravel gets completely used up? |
| 05:44 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 05:44 |
soft_libre |
yes, fakeroot start a new terminal session |
| 05:44 |
soft_libre |
and shows you as "root", but really you're still a user |
| 05:44 |
Nana10 |
I am noob, but I won't start programs I dunno sorry |
| 05:44 |
soft_libre |
is a faked root session |
| 05:45 |
soft_libre |
? |
| 05:45 |
Nana10 |
you say no to orca but yes rto fakeroot? |
| 05:45 |
soft_libre |
just execute "man fakeroot" to see the manual page |
| 05:46 |
soft_libre |
fakeroot won't help you, you need root access via "su" or "sudo" |
| 05:46 |
soft_libre |
or have your username listed at the sudoers file |
| 05:46 |
Nana10 |
yes, the noob can do the terminal |
| 05:46 |
soft_libre |
for installing things |
| 05:46 |
Nana10 |
ok I start it |
| 05:46 |
Nana10 |
this is nort my pc pls behave |
| 05:47 |
Nana10 |
no zombie nothing pls |
| 05:47 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: ah HAH! |
| 05:47 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: reproduced it in singleplayer |
| 05:47 |
* soft_libre |
is calmed :-P |
| 05:47 |
* soft_libre |
is going to sleep soon |
| 05:47 |
Nana10 |
dem tongue is not enough |
| 05:48 |
Nana10 |
I really apprechiate all the good master tips but it's anyways not my opc |
| 05:48 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: wet cement? |
| 05:48 |
Nana10 |
pc |
| 05:48 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: yes |
| 05:48 |
Nana10 |
no fooken worms pl0c |
| 05:48 |
Nana10 |
pl0x |
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VanessaE |
had a bunch of buckets of water in my inv, and two gravel. crafted "All" of wet cement |
| 05:49 |
soft_libre |
? |
| 05:49 |
Nana10 |
no buckets for me VanessaE |
| 05:49 |
soft_libre |
VanessaE is talking to FreeFull |
| 05:50 |
Nana10 |
soft_libre: you're my master anyways :P |
| 05:50 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: I don't think crafting all is necessary at all |
| 05:50 |
Nana10 |
you talk it to me, I give it to you |
| 05:50 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: You can probably just do it with just one bucket of water and one piece of gravel |
| 05:51 |
soft_libre |
? |
| 05:51 |
soft_libre |
well, I should go to sleep... too late here... |
| 05:52 |
soft_libre |
sorry Nana10, I can do anything else to help you... :-/ |
| 05:52 |
Nana10 |
how can I add u as a friend, like in facebook? my favorite site... nooooooot. |
| 05:52 |
Nana10 |
soft? |
| 05:52 |
Nana10 |
I run empathy |
| 05:52 |
soft_libre |
nah... you'll find me chating around here... |
| 05:53 |
Nana10 |
ok. thank you for all! |
| 05:53 |
soft_libre |
I'm not faced... no Facebook account... |
| 05:53 |
soft_libre |
:) bye to all! :-) |
| 05:53 |
Nana10 |
lol no facebook thx xD irc > fb an so.. thx for all the chat mate! you've helped me o0ut alotz |
| 05:54 |
Nana10 |
gn8! |
| 05:54 |
soft_libre |
need some sleep :-) |
| 05:54 |
soft_libre |
see you! :) |
| 05:54 |
Nana10 |
I go too, but bee right back bee. :3 n8 all, hf , gl |
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VanessaE |
FreeFull: I can reproduce the bug reliably in singleplayer, WITHOUT Unified Inventory |
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OldCoder |
<Nana10> 1st of all: that is exactly the info I need. 2nd: OldCoder: hates be now because I know that bot runnin' it's kind of annoying to teach dem noobs shiat |
| 06:12 |
OldCoder |
Um... What? |
| 06:13 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: With just gloopblocks? |
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VanessaE |
FreeFull: yep |
| 06:16 |
VanessaE |
now I'll try to reproduce it without any mods |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: can you think of a default recipe that involves a "replacement" item? |
| 06:19 |
VanessaE |
(as the bucket of water does in the cement recipe) |
| 06:19 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Can't think of one, sorry |
| 06:25 |
VanessaE |
confirmed. I can reproduce it reliably without any mods other than gloopblocks, and I'm pretty sure the problem isn't there |
| 06:27 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Yeah, gloopblocks just happens to have a recipe that triggers the real problem |
| 06:28 |
VanessaE |
right |
| 06:28 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2877 |
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MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
LOL, I fell asleep while on the IRC.. WOW.. |
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crazyR |
MyTeke_ChrisWMas ive had cuddles with my keyboard a few times before now too :P |
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wtf? what the hell is the point of requiring specifically RED and WHITE wool to craft a bed? |
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TheWild |
are shaped crafting rules prioritized over shapeless ones? |
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est31 |
ermm lemme think |
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est31 |
no, they arent |
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TheWild |
specifically means: do I have to avoid conflicts shaped vs shapeless? |
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TheWild |
hmmm... not good |
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est31 |
there are some prioritisations done |
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est31 |
the first is by grouped vs non grouped |
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est31 |
when you have two matching recipes one with a group item, one without, the one without is chosen |
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est31 |
thats for sure |
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est31 |
the second prioritisation is by order |
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TheWild |
^ yep, that's correct |
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est31 |
older recipes get overridden by newer ones |
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TheWild |
ones of narrower scope should be prioritized, so IMO shaped vs shapeless too |
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TheWild |
s/vs/over |
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TheWild |
guess, what does player:set_look_yaw(player:get_look_yaw()) |
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TheWild |
about #2850, minetest.conf.example currently looks like a long bunch of settings. If we want it more readable, having setting above its description and avoid others adding stuff wrong way (description above setting) |
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TheWild |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2850 (well, ShadowBot, where you are?) |
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TheWild |
^ why not to separate settings with space? |
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TheWild |
umm... it's rather one empty line |
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MinetestBot |
[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Craftdef: Use numbers instead of iterators 96989e0 http://git.io/vqqQJ (2015-07-04T16:28:21+02:00) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] TeTpaAka -> minetest/minetest: Fix missing check for 0 in craft replacements 87b9cda http://git.io/vqqQU (2015-07-04T14:33:49+02:00) |
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Jordach |
i hate the summer time, especially with 30+C temps |
| 14:34 |
est31 |
34 for me |
| 14:34 |
Calinou |
https://openstf.github.io/ |
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Jordach |
est31, http://jordach.net/Images/Screenshots/AMD.png |
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est31 |
the heat killed my ssd already |
| 14:34 |
Calinou |
how? |
| 14:34 |
Calinou |
my SSD isn't dying and it has been 36°C |
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est31 |
Calinou, its a samsung 840 evo |
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est31 |
thats how |
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Jordach |
i just have iron plates :P |
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TheWild |
my non-SSD jumped yesterday to 48°C |
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diemartin |
[11:34] (Jordach) i hate the summer time, especially with 30+C temps <-- want some 5C winter temps? |
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Jordach |
YES PLS |
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* twoelk |
is eating an ice while preparing a grill evening with his brother and kids |
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Jordach |
i could get my 12ft pool up and running |
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Jordach |
diemartin, my AMD APU would love it |
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Jordach |
i've reached ~5C during negative temps outside before |
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diemartin |
Heh |
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twoelk |
why should it run? is it afraid of you? |
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Jordach |
rendering on my GPU wouldn't even hit 30C |
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Jordach |
that's how cold it gets in the UK during winter |
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Jordach |
(Iceland or Greenland would be a better place) |
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Calinou |
twoelk, holidays here... |
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Calinou |
so I'm working on random stuff |
| 14:44 |
Calinou |
like doing DTP |
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* Jordach |
high fives Calinou |
| 14:44 |
Calinou |
using Scribus |
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Calinou |
(which I like way more than InDesign by the way) |
| 14:44 |
Jordach |
i finished my course a few weeks ago :D |
| 14:44 |
Calinou |
I'm also installing that stf thing |
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est31 |
stf? |
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Jordach |
[15:34:34] <Calinou> https://openstf.github.io/ |
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est31 |
ah |
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est31 |
I've thought you dont have to install, its web based |
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Jordach |
if it breaks 32C my tower is getting moved and will be decased |
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Calinou |
you do have to install it, you also need RethinkDB which needs to be compiled here |
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* twoelk |
wanders off into the glaring sun to hunt (the best bargain for) some meat to put on the grill |
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sloantothebone |
Hi |
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sloantothebone |
What is the mod called that allows the admin to select a skin for you? |
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Jordach |
player_textures |
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sloantothebone |
Thanks! |
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sloantothebone |
Do you think zeg9's skins mod could be improved to support private skins so that a player may have their own skin or even multiple skins? |
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MinetestBot |
[git] kilbith -> minetest/minetest: Fix attempt to start a world when no world is selected/created c53520a http://git.io/vqqhQ (2015-07-04T17:09:26+02:00) |
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TheWild |
after SQLite was introduced, MapBlock position (x,y,z) is coupled into single big integer as a primary key. |
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TheWild |
Is write-to-DB and read-from-DB only the operations where conversion is done? |
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TheWild |
s/Is/are |
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est31 |
why |
| 15:50 |
est31 |
its used at other points too |
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est31 |
even by some mods |
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TheWild |
but I'm talking about pos = X + (Y << 12) + (Z << 24), not about the node index in a MapBlock |
| 15:52 |
est31 |
well there is minetest.hash_node_position |
| 15:55 |
TheWild |
ok, I've read the documentation and minetest.hash_node_position seems to be related to mapblock position in world. |
| 15:56 |
TheWild |
but hey! minetest.has_node_position({x=0,y=0,z=0}) produces 1.4073963587174e+014 |
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TheWild |
that's not ok |
| 15:56 |
est31 |
perhaps its unrelated |
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sloantothebone |
Hi |
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sloantothebone |
I've been considering doing filming using a local server |
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TheWild |
found out that minetest.hash_node_position and minetest.get_position_from_hash are just having their own spec of hash, not related to what is stored to DB |
| 16:00 |
sloantothebone |
and... I would like to know how to access my local server with another device like my tablet. Will "localhost" work or will I need to find the MAC or ipv6 address of my computer or something |
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est31 |
sloantothebone, localhost only works if its the same device |
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est31 |
otherwise you will need the ipv4 address |
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est31 |
minetest sorta works over ipv6 too |
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sloantothebone |
Okay how do I find the private ipv4 of my computer? |
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est31 |
but im not sure how exactly it works |
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est31 |
which os do you have |
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sloantothebone |
ubuntu |
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est31 |
you know how to start the console? |
| 16:02 |
sloantothebone |
And android |
| 16:02 |
sloantothebone |
Ya |
| 16:02 |
Calinou |
ip addr |
| 16:02 |
est31 |
or ifconfig |
| 16:02 |
Calinou |
ifconfig is obsoelte |
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est31 |
then look for eth0 or wlan1 or so |
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Calinou |
some systems don't have it at all now |
| 16:02 |
est31 |
ip addr isnt existent on many systems either |
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Calinou |
maybe on Windows 3.1 |
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est31 |
err |
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est31 |
they have ipconfig no? |
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Calinou |
yeah |
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sloantothebone |
Ip addr and ifconfig both work |
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est31 |
the only valid command I guess is some NetworkManager thing |
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est31 |
with capital N |
| 16:03 |
est31 |
because they are stupit |
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est31 |
d* |
| 16:04 |
sloantothebone |
... |
| 16:04 |
sloantothebone |
They both worked and you say they are obsolete? |
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sloantothebone |
Thanks |
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est31 |
in future i guess you will only be abled to configure your system if you do some weird dbus org.freedesktop.something calls |
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est31 |
bye bye short unix commands |
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sloantothebone |
sounds like the dark ages |
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sloantothebone |
So ubuntu 14.04 is obsolete? |
| 16:09 |
Calinou |
it is not |
| 16:09 |
Calinou |
it's still supported until 2019-04 |
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sloantothebone |
then why does both ip addr and ifconfig work |
| 16:09 |
Calinou |
both ifconfig and ip addr work here on Debian testing (stretch) |
| 16:10 |
Calinou |
but I think Fedora includes only ip addr |
| 16:10 |
sloantothebone |
Your "but" looks bold to me |
| 16:10 |
sloantothebone |
*but* |
| 16:10 |
sloantothebone |
Hmm |
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sloantothebone |
that didnt do it |
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Calinou |
yes, it is bold :) |
| 16:11 |
Calinou |
bold italic underline |
| 16:11 |
Calinou |
(italic might only be visible on recent HexChat) |
| 16:11 |
sloantothebone |
Nah I see it in kiwi irc |
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sloantothebone |
How did u do that |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
Ctrl+B/Ctrl+I/Ctrl+U respectively |
| 16:12 |
Calinou |
(HexChat) |
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sloantothebone |
Oh |
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sloantothebone |
Umm |
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sloantothebone |
Would you mind doing that again? I wanna see what it looks like |
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sloantelnet |
Pweez? |
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sloantothebone |
Calinou ? |
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est31 |
BOLDITALICUNDERLINED |
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sloantothebone |
BOLDITALICUNDERLINED |
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sloantothebone |
Hmm |
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sloantothebone |
Thanks |
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sloantothebone |
Hmm imma close kiwi if hexchat will stay connected |
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sloantothebone |
Hi |
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sloantothebone |
Whats up? |
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Sokomine |
anyone got problems with firing up local singleplayer worlds? mine won't properly start anymore. the progress bar hangs at "creating server..." |
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Calinou |
I have a dedicated server with 1 CPU core, why is a latest Git self-built Minetest taking all the CPU for over 2 minutes now? |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
no output in the console |
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Calinou |
except "Using world specified by --worldname on the command line" |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
I'll try switching to 0.4.12 stable |
| 16:56 |
Sokomine |
Calinou: maybe the same problem i've got? |
| 16:56 |
Sokomine |
the cpu is used, but the progress bar hangs |
| 16:56 |
Sokomine |
connecting to a running multiplayer server works fine |
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Calinou |
Minetest builds 10 times faster than HHVM :P |
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Sokomine |
did your server eventually come up, caliou? |
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Sokomine |
what's hhvm? |
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Calinou |
well the host is down |
| 16:57 |
Calinou |
HipHop Virtual Machine, a PHP JIT interpreter |
| 16:57 |
Calinou |
http://hhvm.com |
| 16:57 |
Sokomine |
ah :-) |
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Calinou |
Sokomine, I'm not sure if I'll be able to get the world back :/ |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
either way this server has 1 CPU core, 1 GB RAM only |
| 16:58 |
Sokomine |
Calinou: just due to that problem now? or in general? |
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est31 |
Sokomine, does it too say "ERROR[main]: Subgame specified in default_game [minetest] is invalid." |
| 16:59 |
Sokomine |
no. doesn't say much at all. just hangs + heats up the cpu |
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sfan5 |
run it in gdb |
| 16:59 |
sfan5 |
^C it when it hangs |
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sfan5 |
and post what bt says |
| 16:59 |
Calinou |
bt full |
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sfan5 |
bt full won't do anything for non-debug builds |
| 17:00 |
Sokomine |
est31: such a missing-subgame-error might be a sideeffect of the work kilbith and i did. pulling the latest git ought to fix it. or just manually selecting a world |
| 17:00 |
Sokomine |
how do i get a debug build? |
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sfan5 |
just do it with a release build first |
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est31 |
release builds have shitty backtraces |
| 17:00 |
sfan5 |
shitty backtrace > no backtrace |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
there is no "make uninstall" for minetest? |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
how do I remove stray files of make install? |
| 17:01 |
sfan5 |
!g cmake uninstall site:stackoverflow.com |
| 17:01 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24629881/uninstall-cmake-from-centos-to-install-it-with-yum |
| 17:01 |
sfan5 |
pls |
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sfan5 |
!g cmake make uninstall site:stackoverflow.com |
| 17:01 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9680420/looking-for-a-cmake-clean-command-to-clear-up-cmake-output |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
the fuck |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
uh ok |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ#Can_I_do_.22make_uninstall.22_with_CMake.3F |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
Xack: "xargs rm < install_manifest.txt" |
| 17:03 |
sfan5 |
wat |
| 17:03 |
Calinou |
whatever, I got it working |
| 17:03 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: ^ |
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sfan5 |
Xack: <3 |
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Sokomine |
sfan5: http://pastebin.com/B25qPZHn though i'm not sure if it help much. i let it run for a few minutes before hitting crtl-c |
| 17:06 |
Sokomine |
it's current git |
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Sokomine |
does it help any? it's not a special debug build. just current git. if i shall recompile...? |
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FreeFull |
VanessaE: So, what if I encounter the bug again? |
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est31 |
make install is highly dangerous |
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est31 |
I hate it |
| 17:19 |
est31 |
it helps you clutter up your system |
| 17:20 |
est31 |
I really hope we have advancements in package managers, so that the OS filesystem can be mounted rp |
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est31 |
ro* |
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Sokomine |
well...anyway. how do we find out what's the problem with latest git? |
| 17:21 |
Sokomine |
there have been reports from server owners who do seem to have quite a lot of problems lately as well |
| 17:24 |
LazyJ |
Howdy, Sokomine ;) |
| 17:25 |
LazyJ |
I just came in on the last bit... server owners/lot of problems... I'm assuming it isn't the problem of running out of coffee and cinnamon roll. |
| 17:25 |
LazyJ |
What gremlins has Minetest spawned now? |
| 17:28 |
Sokomine |
just don't update your copy to latest git yet, lazyj. there's a problem |
| 17:28 |
LazyJ |
Something other than 65k of empty items? |
| 17:28 |
Sokomine |
hard to tell what it is exactly. the bugs may be related, or may not |
| 17:29 |
LazyJ |
Growing pains. |
| 17:29 |
Sokomine |
hm, yes. crashes on oldcoders worlds. the empty items where on vanessas worlds. and now the server not firing up |
| 17:29 |
Sokomine |
maybe it's related to the huge heat in parts of europe. hard to think if it's that hot |
| 17:30 |
LazyJ |
So I've heard. 36C and hotter. Ouch. |
| 17:30 |
Sokomine |
yes. even one degree more. and other people here suffer even more |
| 17:31 |
Sokomine |
plus right now the humidity is very high. like a thunderstorm about to happen. but even if it comes, it may not bring much cool air |
| 17:31 |
LazyJ |
We have a double whammy of heat and drought (though not as hot as your part of the world). |
| 17:32 |
Sokomine |
we do have hot summers sometimes, but this is quite extreme |
| 17:33 |
LazyJ |
Lay Minetest's code out on the side walk. Maybe the bugs will fry like eggs. |
| 17:34 |
est31 |
if it were that simple |
| 17:34 |
est31 |
already now its too hot for bugs in my CPU |
| 17:35 |
est31 |
still I managed to create one |
| 17:35 |
est31 |
a pretty big one |
| 17:36 |
LazyJ |
Frustrating but part of the process. |
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Sokomine |
*g* |
| 17:36 |
Sokomine |
i'm afraid bugs love heat |
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Sokomine |
hmm. if the pc would be standing outside on dirt, i wonder if ants would start to live under it, like they do below stones. guess they won't like the metal that much |
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FreeFull |
I lost my stuff because I wasn't sure on if chests are protected in protected areas, and didn't think to move my stuff in time |
| 17:45 |
MinetestBot |
[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Fix endless loop since grandparent commit 64dc053 http://git.io/vqm25 (2015-07-04T19:43:46+02:00) |
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Calinou |
my Hunger Games server is up! |
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Calinou |
up to 16 players! new map! |
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MyTeke_ChrisWMas |
:P |
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Sokomine |
FreeFull: a locked chest ought to be save |
| 17:52 |
Sokomine |
Calinou: with your old map? or is that another server? |
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y |
est31: you mean Nix? |
| 17:56 |
FreeFull |
Sokomine: Yeah, the chest wasn't locked |
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| 17:57 |
LandMine |
sup peeps |
| 17:57 |
LandMine |
OldCoder can i pm you? |
| 17:57 |
FreeFull |
How good are the evil tools from gloopblocks? |
| 17:57 |
est31 |
y?? |
| 17:57 |
Sokomine |
FreeFull: always use locked chests :-) sometimes you can even craft bags to extend your inventory. those are fine as well. but else: first thing to get apart from wood is a steel ingot for your locked thest |
| 17:57 |
y |
17:20:26 est31 | I really hope we have advancements in package managers, so that the OS filesystem can be mounted rp |
| 17:57 |
est31 |
ro |
| 17:57 |
est31 |
was a typo |
| 17:57 |
FreeFull |
Sokomine: I know how to make locked chests :) |
| 17:58 |
y |
est31: if there's some powerful and simple package manager out there, it's Nix! |
| 17:58 |
FreeFull |
Sokomine: I was just testing a bug with Vanessa and was using that chest as temporary storage |
| 17:58 |
LandMine |
FreeFull Hi! |
| 17:58 |
FreeFull |
Sokomine: The chest was actually put in place because I did want to share its contents with one other person earlier |
| 17:58 |
LandMine |
i present my self i am LandMine :D |
| 17:58 |
Sokomine |
FreeFull: aah. ok. then it probably was not so valuable an inventory |
| 17:58 |
LandMine |
hi Sokomine long time no see |
| 17:58 |
Sokomine |
hi landmine |
| 17:58 |
FreeFull |
Sokomine: I used to play on c55's server |
| 17:59 |
Sokomine |
c55's server...that's a long time ago. do you remember redcrabs server? |
| 17:59 |
LandMine |
FreeFull doyou know who i am? |
| 17:59 |
FreeFull |
Sokomine: 10 mese crystals were probably the most valuable thing in it (now I'm underground and mining for more mese) |
| 17:59 |
FreeFull |
Sokomine: Yeah, I used to play on redcrab's too |
| 17:59 |
FreeFull |
LandMine: I don't remember, sorry |
| 18:00 |
LandMine |
then i have failed in my mission to become the most notorious |
| 18:00 |
FreeFull |
Sokomine: The server I'm playing on doesn't have bags ): |
| 18:00 |
Calinou |
Sokomine, another server |
| 18:00 |
FreeFull |
Or morestairs |
| 18:00 |
Sokomine |
ah, fine. redcrabs server still runs. if you want to connect to it with a recent build of mt (instead of an antique one), you need to clear your cache folder before connecting to redcrab. else you'll end up in a grey fog and can't move |
| 18:00 |
est31 |
y seems interesting |
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| 18:01 |
LandMine |
Hi Jordach!!! |
| 18:01 |
FreeFull |
How good are the evil tools from gloopblocks? |
| 18:02 |
LandMine |
im unsure |
| 18:05 |
TheWild |
#define MAP_BLOCKSIZE 16 - should I believe it was and it always be 16? |
| 18:05 |
Calinou |
my hunger games server is mostly stable now, the spawn area was built |
| 18:07 |
LandMine |
Hi Calinou long time no chat as well |
| 18:07 |
VanessaE |
FreeFull: in theory, you won't. if you do, I'll roll the server back to where it is now and report it. |
| 18:09 |
CWz |
what is mapblock side? |
| 18:10 |
Sokomine |
FreeFull: very fast but not at all durable |
| 18:10 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: Ok |
| 18:10 |
FreeFull |
Sokomine: Good to know, I'll stick to mese or diamond then |
| 18:10 |
sfan5 |
Sokomine: you forgot the "bt" also a debug build would really be better |
| 18:11 |
Sokomine |
sfan5: can you explain how to create a debug build and use "bt"? might be helpful for further bug reports. this particular bug has been repaired now |
| 18:12 |
sfan5 |
Sokomine: for a debug build you just run cmake but with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug (i think it was that one) and for "bt" when it shows "(gdb)" after you ^C'd the program just type "bt" |
| 18:12 |
Sokomine |
adding such explanations to mt's documentation might also help. though i'm not sure where it might best be placed. a link thrown at people who come up with a problem and want to report a bug might help as well |
| 18:12 |
Sokomine |
aah. for backtrack? ok |
| 18:15 |
sfan5 |
backtrace* |
| 18:17 |
Sokomine |
er, yes. it's too hot to think i'm afraid |
| 18:17 |
Sokomine |
please invent rain in mt soon :-) |
| 18:18 |
Krock |
Sokomine, there are already sknow biomes |
| 18:18 |
Krock |
*snow |
| 18:19 |
FreeFull |
VanessaE: I wish your server had locked furnaces |
| 18:20 |
Sokomine |
yes...feels like i'm in desperate need for a snow biome! |
| 18:20 |
* Sokomine |
heads there and builds an iglu |
| 18:20 |
* Sokomine |
watches as the iglu is burned down by the sun almost immediately |
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VanessaE |
FreeFull: yeah, minetest_game needs something like that for sure. |
| 18:23 |
Sokomine |
er, i thought it does? the content of furnaces in mtg ought to be protected if the furnace is in protected land? |
| 18:24 |
VanessaE |
afaik it doesn't have a locked furnace (but a locked chest, yes) |
| 18:24 |
VanessaE |
I forget which mod supplies it but dreambuilder has them |
| 18:24 |
VanessaE |
(probably due to technic) |
| 18:25 |
Sokomine |
it does have code so that metadata_inventory_* for the default furnace works only if the player can build in that place |
| 18:25 |
Sokomine |
it's in mtg by now :-) |
| 18:25 |
FreeFull |
Blah, I'm an idiot, I keep making normal chests instead of locked chests |
| 18:25 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 18:26 |
FreeFull |
And there is no recipe to make a locked chest from a normal chest without a mod for it |
| 18:26 |
Sokomine |
if moreblocks is installed, you can still improve them... |
| 18:28 |
Sokomine |
my chesttools mod is installed on one of vanessas servers...but i believe it is the other minimalistic one and not the vanilla |
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VanessaE |
freeforall? |
| 18:32 |
FreeFull |
Huh, saplings are actually decent fuel |
| 18:36 |
Sokomine |
poor spalings |
| 18:36 |
* Sokomine |
puts freefull into jail for firing up a furnace in this heat |
| 18:54 |
TheWild |
anyone noticed the black margin on right and bottom edge of window? It happens at least on Windows client. |
| 18:54 |
TheWild |
Why it is here? |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
Screenie or it didn't happen |
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| 19:06 |
kilbith |
also you don't know me hmmmm, so keep your personal attacks to you |
| 19:07 |
hmmmm |
I do know you well enough to have an opinion on you |
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| 19:07 |
kilbith |
"opinionated guy" seriously |
| 19:07 |
hmmmm |
you're like a busybody middle-aged woman |
| 19:07 |
hmmmm |
shoving your business where it really does not belong, and creating gossip |
| 19:07 |
TheWild |
http://pasteboard.co/1IhusI5i.jpg |
| 19:07 |
hmmmm |
yeah I am insulting to people who deserve it |
| 19:07 |
TheWild |
^ Krock |
| 19:07 |
hmmmm |
no regrets |
| 19:08 |
Krock |
TheWild, definitely a screen offset bug |
| 19:08 |
kilbith |
how many people have hastively insulted there ? gcu, nrz, prestotron, who's next ? |
| 19:08 |
kilbith |
without even knowing them IRL |
| 19:08 |
hmmmm |
who is gcu? |
| 19:08 |
kilbith |
gregorycu |
| 19:08 |
Calinou |
grecorycu probably |
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| 19:08 |
hmmmm |
since when have I insulted him |
| 19:08 |
hmmmm |
he was a great dev |
| 19:09 |
kilbith |
that he was "arrogant" |
| 19:09 |
kilbith |
because of "his wording" |
| 19:09 |
kilbith |
i remember that very well |
| 19:09 |
hmmmm |
whatever |
| 19:09 |
kilbith |
yeah, wave that |
| 19:09 |
hmmmm |
i don't remember the situation, but I think gregorycu was fine. |
| 19:09 |
hmmmm |
prestidigitator and nerzhul really ground my gears the wrong way |
| 19:09 |
VanessaE |
gregory wandered off because people didn't like his coding styleas I recall |
| 19:10 |
hmmmm |
style not as in syntax, but the whole super-abstracted Java-y type stuff |
| 19:10 |
hmmmm |
it's not quite suitable for minetest |
| 19:10 |
VanessaE |
something like this yes |
| 19:10 |
hmmmm |
people generally did not like it |
| 19:10 |
Krock |
TheWild, does this offset bug also exist while playing? |
| 19:10 |
hmmmm |
in any case |
| 19:10 |
VanessaE |
presti is over-assuming, thinks his code is gold |
| 19:10 |
hmmmm |
perhaps kilbith should focus more on code and less on being offended |
| 19:11 |
kilbith |
you get pride saying "you have big balls", i wonder if you'd keep have such balls face to face ;) |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
perhaps you should focus less on acting like Linus Torvalds, too |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
we know he's rich, but acting like him doesn't make you rich :) |
| 19:11 |
VanessaE |
nrz, well, my opinion of him is not so bad as it once was but his code sucks in places (we all know this) |
| 19:11 |
hmmmm |
yes with lots of security holes |
| 19:11 |
TheWild |
Krock, yep |
| 19:11 |
hmmmm |
est wanted to do a security patch release yesterday |
| 19:11 |
kilbith |
also the FM's guys and darkrose |
| 19:12 |
kilbith |
seems like pretty much everyone who is different from you is an asse |
| 19:12 |
hmmmm |
I looked at the specific commits, it turns out all but one were patches for holes that only existed due to nerzhul |
| 19:12 |
Calinou |
FM is slow, and even Voxelands is slow now :) |
| 19:12 |
kilbith |
all that is just non-exhaustive |
| 19:12 |
hmmmm |
i.e. not relevant for 0.4.12 |
| 19:12 |
hmmmm |
now come the fuck on |
| 19:13 |
hmmmm |
change the entire universe in the networking code, add a crapton of bugs, don't actually improve the functionality of anything |
| 19:13 |
hmmmm |
how am I supposed to feel about that |
| 19:13 |
TheWild |
Krock, the bug existed even on 0.0.1 |
| 19:13 |
kilbith |
"do not point the speck in your neighbor's eye before seeing the beam in yours" |
| 19:13 |
kilbith |
print that in your mind constantly |
| 19:13 |
Krock |
TheWild, minetest 0.0.1?? could it be a problem with your computer settings? |
| 19:14 |
hmmmm |
I don't add dozens of horrifying bugs to upstream and then attempt to deny them |
| 19:14 |
Sokomine |
the new security feature that was added to mt recently is very fine. i believe shadowninja is working on it? i've one problem with one new feature in my mod and need to talk about it to him, but in general it's very very good that this got added |
| 19:14 |
TheWild |
Krock, no, I just like to dig archeological monuments |
| 19:14 |
hmmmm |
Sokomine: don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 19:14 |
hmmmm |
what if one of us can answer? |
| 19:16 |
Sokomine |
it is very specific. minetest.get_dir_list does work fine without security enabled; but with security enabled, it can't read directories other than the current world folder or perhaps the mod's folder. this is intended behaviour, but still a problem for me - i want to give players the ability to import saved schematics from one world to another more easily |
| 19:16 |
hmmmm |
yes that is intended behavior |
| 19:16 |
hmmmm |
there's a set_security_mode() api |
| 19:16 |
hmmmm |
i don't think that's the name for it |
| 19:16 |
hmmmm |
but this allows you access to everything |
| 19:16 |
Sokomine |
actually reading the files can be done with an exception and an insecure environment, but the directory still can't be obtained |
| 19:17 |
hmmmm |
the user needs to explicitly enable this for the mod iirc |
| 19:17 |
Sokomine |
yes. and it's good behaviour in general |
| 19:17 |
hmmmm |
so it's pretty much like UAC in windows except you need to write it into a config file instead of clicking a button |
| 19:18 |
Calinou |
makes it un-user friendly :/ |
| 19:18 |
Calinou |
too bad you can't toggle security mode from world configuration |
| 19:18 |
hmmmm |
that could be a future enhancement |
| 19:19 |
Sokomine |
minetest.get_dir_list is not covered by this exception. or i found no way for it. that's why i want to talk to shadowninja about it. the file as such (if i know where it is and how it's called) can be read using the special security functions |
| 19:19 |
hmmmm |
any one of us can fix that |
| 19:21 |
Sokomine |
hm, yes. but do you have time? there's a lot of work on mt, and someone who's already into the code might need less time |
| 19:21 |
hmmmm |
5 second fix |
| 19:21 |
Sokomine |
oh? that is fast |
| 19:21 |
hmmmm |
so what I was talking about is minetest.request_insecure_environment() |
| 19:21 |
hmmmm |
your modname needs to be in secure.trusted_mods |
| 19:22 |
Sokomine |
yes, that minetest.request_insecure_environment works fine. for reading and writing files. now, if minetest.get_dir_list could be unlimited (as long as it stays in some minetest folder), that would be great for me |
| 19:23 |
Sokomine |
yes. as i said, it works fine for reading and writing files with the insecure environment. just the minetest.get_dir_list function does not seem to be affected by the insecure environment |
| 19:23 |
MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Mgv7: Lower base of mountain generation to -112 and define constant d786a27 http://git.io/vqmFy (2015-07-04T20:21:19+01:00) |
| 19:23 |
hmmmm |
what function do you use for reading and writing files?? |
| 19:24 |
Sokomine |
but it's something very specific to my own mod, and i'm now probably really wasting core dev's time :-( |
| 19:24 |
hmmmm |
noo, directory listings should have proper permissions checking |
| 19:24 |
Sokomine |
https://github.com/Sokomine/handle_schematics/blob/master/save_restore.lua line 65 ff |
| 19:24 |
AnotherBrick |
lil' bit late for the drama, but http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/07/15/2316219/kernel-dev-tells-linus-torvalds-to-stop-using-abusive-language |
| 19:26 |
Sokomine |
that at least is the part with reading and writing files. minetest.get_dir_list happens elsewhere. and that is limited by security beeing turned on - and that can't be lifted (at least i found no way) |
| 19:26 |
hmmmm |
hmm |
| 19:26 |
hmmmm |
sokomine, does mkdir not work for you either? |
| 19:26 |
Sokomine |
mkdir in my situation only happens inside the world's folder, so it's not a problem anyway. i didn't check it outside |
| 19:26 |
hmmmm |
hmm if what you're saying is true, this is a problem for basically everything that uses CHECK_SECURE_PATH_OPTIONAL |
| 19:27 |
Sokomine |
(same as worldedit: if no WORLD/schems folder exists, create one) |
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| 19:28 |
hmmmm |
:).. sorry I thought this was going to be a 5 minute fix due to some missing check |
| 19:28 |
Sokomine |
before minetest.get_dir_list was introduced, there was no such function at all; so i'm glad it exists now. just...need it to be less limited |
| 19:28 |
hmmmm |
the entier thing is bugged though |
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| 19:28 |
Sokomine |
ok. then skip it for now, please. i'm sure there are other issues that need to be looked at |
| 19:29 |
Sokomine |
oldcoder reported some repeated crashes with one world, and vanessae seemed to have problems as well (don't know if that is resolved by now?) |
| 19:29 |
hmmmm |
those crashes are resolved as of the last commit |
| 19:29 |
hmmmm |
have you noticed performance regressions? just curious |
| 19:29 |
Sokomine |
no, not played much today. it is too hot |
| 19:30 |
Sokomine |
it sometimes *felt* the last couple of days/weeks as if the game got slower; but without anything to quantify, it is hard to tell |
| 19:32 |
Sokomine |
i had to turn off local map saving due to my ssd failinig. and it turned out that that particular function profits considerably from an ssd (unlike a lot of other things where it makes no big difference). but thats a diffrent issue |
| 19:33 |
est31 |
Calinou, ^ see second person with failing ssd |
| 19:33 |
est31 |
lets hope it works again after it gets colder |
| 19:33 |
est31 |
if not, my ssd gets into the bin |
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Sokomine |
est31: no, not due to temperature. that particular ssd seems broken by design. i eventually got fed up with it going into read-only mode every copule of month (later on, even each day) without knowing why and removed it from my machine |
| 19:35 |
Calinou |
my SSD has been working for 2 years without issues now |
| 19:35 |
Sokomine |
someone in #debian told me that other people operating real servers had the same problem. the firmware of samsung's 840* ssds seems quite broken |
| 19:35 |
Calinou |
I'm on a 840 Pro |
| 19:36 |
Sokomine |
yes, well. make certain you never run trim on it...not even by accident |
| 19:36 |
est31 |
I have 840 evo |
| 19:37 |
Calinou |
discard used to be enabled |
| 19:37 |
Calinou |
it no longer is since I installed Debian... |
| 19:37 |
Sokomine |
calinou: https://blog.algolia.com/when-solid-state-drives-are-not-that-solid/ might be of intrest to you |
| 19:38 |
Calinou |
let's go back to HDDs /s |
| 19:39 |
Sokomine |
that's what i did eventually. the 2.5" usb3 drive works fine most of the time. only real issue is when enabling map saving. the hard drive hiccups and makes a short pause when doing that; the ssd had no such trouble. other issues - like boot time or start time of programs - are usaully less relevant as they happen only once |
| 19:41 |
Calinou |
I guess HDDs will go the way of the dinosaur for most use cases |
| 19:42 |
Sokomine |
they're still good for lage media collections and backup. ssd are too expensive for that |
| 19:43 |
Calinou |
maybe they'll be cheaper one day |
| 19:43 |
Sokomine |
just read yesterday that the production of vhs tapes ended...was quite surprised that they where still produced |
| 19:43 |
Sokomine |
they do have their advantages. they're quiet and shock-resistant. also faster for those windows users i guess |
| 19:44 |
Calinou |
it's faster everywhere |
| 19:44 |
Calinou |
and they also make nearly non oise |
| 19:44 |
Calinou |
noise* |
| 19:45 |
kilbith |
sfan5, you wanted an example on hmmmm's cheating, just the latest is quality one : https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/7b171ea2be0e476d7cdc9300b53ba86a9f694161 |
| 19:45 |
kilbith |
he has not even received/asked a formal +1, and this is always how it's done (he has only 7 PRs for 300 commits) |
| 19:45 |
Sokomine |
exactly. i love them for their noiselessness and roughness. if only they had better firmware |
| 19:45 |
hmmmm |
kilbith: trivial exemption |
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kilbith |
ah, and in the mean time you strongly require more restriction on others |
| 19:46 |
hmmmm |
kilbith: but it say so in the RULES |
| 19:46 |
kilbith |
haha |
| 19:46 |
hmmmm |
in any case I'm going to ignore you |
| 19:46 |
hmmmm |
there's nothing productive coming from kilbith's mouth |
| 19:46 |
kilbith |
you dare saying that, but 99% of your commits are like that ! |
| 19:47 |
kilbith |
hell, how people does not want to face the reality as it is |
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| 19:48 |
kilbith |
you only present your diff on kwoelkr's repo and then pushing |
| 19:48 |
kilbith |
always like that |
| 19:48 |
sfan5 |
thats ok for trivial changes |
| 19:48 |
OldCoder |
Well, this is refreshing |
| 19:48 |
OldCoder |
Seriously |
| 19:48 |
kilbith |
also FYI, some of my money money is given discretly to the project or some devs |
| 19:49 |
OldCoder |
Dysfunctional is when there is no communication |
| 19:49 |
kilbith |
so it's my business |
| 19:49 |
sfan5 |
haha |
| 19:49 |
sfan5 |
fuck you |
| 19:49 |
OldCoder |
Melee is a step up |
| 19:49 |
sfan5 |
just because you give us money we don't need to day as you say |
| 19:49 |
sfan5 |
if you're disappointed stop giving money |
| 19:49 |
kilbith |
i'm an actionary |
| 19:49 |
OldCoder |
It does take multiple types |
| 19:50 |
kilbith |
a shareholder* |
| 19:50 |
sfan5 |
why should hmmmm care about that |
| 19:50 |
sfan5 |
or anyone else |
| 19:50 |
kilbith |
just open your eyes, you |
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| 19:50 |
xenkey |
Greetings. |
| 19:50 |
sfan5 |
hi |
| 19:50 |
OldCoder |
xenkey xenhey |
| 19:50 |
hmmmm |
donations go to hosting, anyway |
| 19:51 |
sfan5 |
kilbith: so you there is no reason? |
| 19:51 |
sfan5 |
wat |
| 19:51 |
kilbith |
and i give to some devs also |
| 19:51 |
OldCoder |
Hosting is cheap |
| 19:51 |
OldCoder |
Good |
| 19:51 |
sfan5 |
"so there is no reason?"* |
| 19:51 |
xenkey |
OldCoder: good evening good sir |
| 19:51 |
OldCoder |
o/ |
| 19:51 |
xenkey |
Do you also, like me, come in peace? |
| 19:51 |
OldCoder |
Um |
| 19:51 |
OldCoder |
I am sort of complicated |
| 19:51 |
kilbith |
sfan5, i don't get your last question sorry |
| 19:51 |
xenkey |
OldCoder: Aren't we all? |
| 19:51 |
OldCoder |
Not all |
| 19:52 |
sfan5 |
kilbith: please tell me the reason why we should care about you donating money to the project |
| 19:52 |
OldCoder |
Wait, does it matter if one cares or not? |
| 19:52 |
OldCoder |
Cares is not the point |
| 19:52 |
kilbith |
because i'm somewhat a shareholder and thus i have right to put my noise in that business |
| 19:52 |
kilbith |
naturally |
| 19:52 |
OldCoder |
Not unless it is a fomal arrangement, kilbith |
| 19:53 |
OldCoder |
This has been explained to me in blunt terms |
| 19:53 |
xenkey |
I have a dead pixel |
| 19:53 |
OldCoder |
xenkey, it can possibly be fixed |
| 19:53 |
OldCoder |
Back from the pixel grave |
| 19:53 |
OldCoder |
Its pixel life you can save |
| 19:53 |
xenkey |
Where wonder pixel soldiers brave |
| 19:54 |
OldCoder |
Google pixel dead before you head to bed |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
Sokomine> exactly. i love them for their noiselessness and roughness. if only they had better firmware |
| 19:54 |
OldCoder |
That is a good line |
| 19:54 |
xenkey |
Or your hopes and digital dreams you shall shred |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
HDDs and SSDs suffer from two glaring issues: they all have proprietary, black box firmware |
| 19:54 |
VanessaE |
xenkey: use a pen or pencil, with a couple layers of plastic between it and the screen, and rub on it firmly. |
| 19:54 |
OldCoder |
:D |
| 19:54 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: hows the speed improvement with ssds? |
| 19:54 |
xenkey |
VanessaE: Thanks |
| 19:54 |
VanessaE |
don't rub so hard that you scratch the screen. |
| 19:54 |
xenkey |
Is paper okay? |
| 19:54 |
OldCoder |
Google other approaches |
| 19:54 |
xenkey |
We don't have those complicated props in this household |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
sfan5, it improves speed a lot? |
| 19:54 |
VanessaE |
anything that protects the screen from being marked or scratched is fine |
| 19:54 |
OldCoder |
We will offer no reproaches |
| 19:54 |
VanessaE |
plastic is better because it's transparent. |
| 19:55 |
xenkey |
I'll prepare an essay by tomorrow and decide which method I shall use to repair the minor mark on the screen |
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| 19:55 |
OldCoder |
Plastic, you see, through, you see |
| 19:55 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: i mean is it noticable and how much |
| 19:55 |
xenkey |
Alright VanessaE |
| 19:55 |
xenkey |
Thanks |
| 19:55 |
Calinou |
it is very noticeable |
| 19:55 |
Calinou |
but games don't load much faster |
| 19:55 |
Calinou |
programs like LibreOffice and Scribus do load faster |
| 19:55 |
Calinou |
system boots faster, without making noise |
| 19:55 |
sfan5 |
i dont get what noise people are talking about |
| 19:56 |
VanessaE |
minetest loads WAY faster with an ssd than with hdd, if you're using large textures |
| 19:56 |
sfan5 |
i really rarely hear my hdd |
| 19:56 |
xenkey |
I can hear mind loud and clear |
| 19:56 |
VanessaE |
(like 50% faster I'd guess) |
| 19:56 |
xenkey |
Zipping and clicking away |
| 19:56 |
xenkey |
I can't describe that sound too well |
| 19:56 |
Calinou |
also a SSD is smaller, lighter, uses less power |
| 19:56 |
xenkey |
Put your ear to a normal HDD, this is what I hear at range |
| 19:56 |
sfan5 |
pff power |
| 19:56 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, let me know if they fix the bug |
| 19:56 |
sfan5 |
i don't care about power consumption |
| 19:57 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: it's been fixed. |
| 19:57 |
Calinou |
sfan5, suddenly: laptops :) |
| 19:57 |
Sokomine |
sfan5: as i said, the speed improvement for me using linux was far less than expected. bootup time is pretty insignificant, and most stays in memory after first start. compiling happens in the background. but local map saving (from a server) - that does make a huge difference. there i really noticed it. the game hangs for a split second when a mapblock is written. this did not happen with the ssd. all o |
| 19:57 |
Calinou |
and server clusters, too :P |
| 19:57 |
Sokomine |
ther applications perhaps depend less on ressources, and so it doesn't show up |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: i have a laptop but i use it like a desktop cuz keyboard is broken |
| 19:57 |
sfan5 |
and cuz extra monitor |
| 19:57 |
VanessaE |
my Minetest servers run from an ssd. |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
my hunger games server runs from SSD now |
| 19:58 |
VanessaE |
between using that, and having two HDDs in RAID1, the system is extremely fast at running backups as well |
| 19:58 |
Sokomine |
xenkey: did you make sure it wasn't just dirt? or a (real!) tiny insect? they're usually about the size of pixels (or even slightly larger) |
| 19:58 |
sfan5 |
Sokomine: i see, thanks for taking a little time to tell me your experiences |
| 19:59 |
xenkey |
Oh fuck |
| 19:59 |
xenkey |
It's round |
| 19:59 |
xenkey |
I just looked closer |
| 19:59 |
xenkey |
I can see the pixels behind it like through a sphere glass ball |
| 19:59 |
xenkey |
Ugh I don't want to touch the screen... |
| 20:00 |
xenkey |
I got rid of it by rubbing the corner of some paper on it |
| 20:01 |
VanessaE |
probably just a dot of grease then |
| 20:01 |
OldCoder |
It's alive |
| 20:01 |
OldCoder |
ALIVE |
| 20:01 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, so, I should remove the reset hard? |
| 20:02 |
OldCoder |
And go with today's code? |
| 20:02 |
Sokomine |
ah yes, and huge databases in general profit a lot from ssds. i noticed a speedup on those as well |
| 20:02 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: doesn't matter now. if you want to update, you can just `git pull` |
| 20:02 |
Sokomine |
xenkey: fine :-) |
| 20:03 |
xenkey |
Yep |
| 20:03 |
xenkey |
Thanks for the help anyway |
| 20:03 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: I'm not entirely clear what tangible improvements there were between then and now |
| 20:03 |
xenkey |
I'll fix the dead pixel on my old CRT display now |
| 20:07 |
est31 |
Krock, you there? |
| 20:07 |
* Krock |
looks around |
| 20:07 |
est31 |
good |
| 20:07 |
Krock |
yeah. I seem to be here |
| 20:07 |
est31 |
can you help me fix the special chars bug |
| 20:07 |
xenkey |
Krock: No you're actually not here |
| 20:07 |
est31 |
on windows |
| 20:07 |
xenkey |
Idk where you are but here is not one of the places you are |
| 20:07 |
Krock |
est31, great.. but how? |
| 20:08 |
Krock |
xenkey, where am I then? |
| 20:08 |
xenkey |
Krock: !here |
| 20:08 |
Krock |
!here |
| 20:09 |
est31 |
Krock, if character conversion fails, it logs the output to infostream. it somehow seems it doesnt "fail" for the program. Can you make it log always and paste the output here? |
| 20:09 |
est31 |
perhaps also log the input |
| 20:09 |
Sokomine |
well, we do have a whoami command, but no whereami - so your question cannot be answered, krock :-) |
| 20:10 |
est31 |
if rumpelstilzchen just gave the people he asked a shell logged in with his id |
| 20:10 |
Calinou |
adding a few secret areas to my hunger games map :) |
| 20:11 |
Krock |
est31, it doesn't log anything |
| 20:11 |
est31 |
it logs to infostream |
| 20:11 |
Krock |
but I can add some lnes |
| 20:11 |
est31 |
paste the code and output somewhere |
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| 20:18 |
Krock |
est31, I see what you meant. But the infostream was only used in the linux code. However, you'll get the log in >= 6 mins |
| 20:19 |
est31 |
i see |
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| 20:26 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, wait, is the bug fixed or not? |
| 20:26 |
VanessaE |
OldCoder: it is. but I don't know if it's worth doing a git pull is all I meant |
| 20:27 |
VanessaE |
(because what you have now should be stable too) |
| 20:31 |
xenkey |
So my server's empty :( |
| 20:33 |
kilbith |
i wanted to ask about the PMs, why people feel that as a disturbance ? |
| 20:33 |
kilbith |
some things belongs to the private circle |
| 20:33 |
kilbith |
and it's a way to prevent the conflicts |
| 20:34 |
Emperor_Genshin |
xenkey: you aren't the only one who's server is empty X3 |
| 20:34 |
xenkey |
Heh |
| 20:35 |
kilbith |
oh fuck off, i don't why i spent so much time here even |
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Emperor_Genshin |
? |
| 20:36 |
xenkey |
lol |
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| 20:38 |
hmmmm |
I did |
| 20:38 |
Emperor_Genshin |
lol |
| 20:38 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, OK |
| 20:39 |
Jordach_ |
hmmmm, http://niceme.me |
| 20:39 |
sfan5 |
dank maymays |
| 20:39 |
Jordach_ |
ayy lmao |
| 20:39 |
OldCoder |
hmmmm, it is better to attempt to talk than to pretend things are other than they are |
| 20:39 |
* OldCoder |
is not big on that type of pretending |
| 20:39 |
hmmmm |
totally agree |
| 20:41 |
Krock |
est, http://pastebin.com/TFFbiA3E |
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| 20:45 |
est |
can you log utf8_to_wide output as a hex string? |
| 20:45 |
est |
Krock, ^ |
| 20:47 |
sloantothebone |
Hi |
| 20:47 |
Krock |
est, why? See "utf8_to_wide in: Welt wählen: | Length: 12" MultiByteToWideChar returns there 11, so it's nonsense to log it |
| 20:48 |
est |
? |
| 20:48 |
est |
is it converting the ä into nothing? |
| 20:48 |
Krock |
est, exactly. it's erased |
| 20:56 |
est |
Krock, can you replace CP_UTF8 with CP_ACP? |
| 20:56 |
est |
& then try |
| 20:56 |
Krock |
in both functions? |
| 20:56 |
est |
yes |
| 21:03 |
Krock |
est, yeah, works. |
| 21:03 |
Krock |
utf8_to_wide in: Welt wählen: | Length: 12 utf8_to_wide out Length: 12 | Returns: 12 |
| 21:03 |
est |
fine |
| 21:03 |
est |
really good |
| 21:04 |
Krock |
but it's not utf8 |
| 21:04 |
est |
I think it is |
| 21:04 |
est |
the wide output doesnt have to be utf8 |
| 21:05 |
est |
only the input |
| 21:05 |
est |
can you make a hexdump of the input? |
| 21:08 |
Krock |
Yes, when I'm not tired anymore. see ya |
| 21:08 |
est |
well these are great results |
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| 21:52 |
Guest67775 |
What's the difference between Minetest and Minecraft? |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
one is Minetest, the other is a closed-source, Microsoft-owned, clusterfuck ;) |
| 21:53 |
VanessaE |
really though, Minetest is written in C++ with Lua for the game content and mods, and shares nothing at all with Minecraft (no assets, no code). |
| 21:54 |
VanessaE |
they are similar in how you play them and how they look but that's all |
| 21:54 |
Guest67775 |
Ah. How's the performance compared to Minecraft? |
| 21:54 |
VanessaE |
it's variable |
| 21:54 |
VanessaE |
for some people, Minetest performs better. for others Minecraft does |
| 21:55 |
Guest67775 |
And it has multiplayer, right? |
| 21:55 |
AnotherBrick |
in singleplayer with no mods minetest is faster |
| 21:55 |
VanessaE |
it is multiplayer yes |
| 21:55 |
VanessaE |
I run several multiplayer servers/ |
| 21:55 |
Guest67775 |
Great, thank you. |
| 21:55 |
Guest67775 |
What servers would you suggest? |
| 21:55 |
VanessaE |
what is your interest exactly? survival? difficult? |
| 21:55 |
est |
for server owners, minetest cant be clustered |
| 21:56 |
est |
this makes writing mods easy, but running large servers hard |
| 21:56 |
Guest67775 |
I don't really have any preference. |
| 21:56 |
VanessaE |
well, my Vanilla server is quite popular latelt |
| 21:56 |
VanessaE |
lately* |
| 21:56 |
VanessaE |
it's survival mode, not that many mods, loads fast, and has decent gameplay |
| 21:57 |
Guest67775 |
Are the mods automatically installed by the server or is client-side installation necessary? |
| 21:57 |
VanessaE |
the server manages them, |
| 21:58 |
VanessaE |
mods stay entirely on the server in fact |
| 21:58 |
VanessaE |
(only the sounds and graphics are sent to the client) |
| 21:58 |
VanessaE |
eventually there will be client-side modding, but this will also be controlled by the server. |
| 21:58 |
sfan5 |
it will? |
| 21:58 |
est |
and be secure the same time |
| 21:58 |
VanessaE |
whatever mods you have installed only work when you're not playing in multiplayer |
| 21:58 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: as far as I know yes |
| 21:59 |
sfan5 |
whats the point of client-side mods if the server controls them |
| 21:59 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: as in the server supplies them ? |
| 21:59 |
sfan5 |
idk |
| 21:59 |
est |
its code executed by the client |
| 21:59 |
sfan5 |
"control" in some way |
| 21:59 |
est |
therefore no server lag |
| 21:59 |
VanessaE |
client users won't have to go looking for them. |
| 22:00 |
sfan5 |
imo the point of client-side mods is to extend the client |
| 22:00 |
est |
its not about modifying the client itself |
| 22:00 |
sfan5 |
not to allow server mods to respond faster |
| 22:00 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: think carts without the lag. |
| 22:00 |
VanessaE |
MOBs that respond instantly. |
| 22:00 |
VanessaE |
that sorta thing |
| 22:01 |
sfan5 |
i wasn't saying client-side mods should not be used for that stuff |
| 22:01 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: s/MOB/Mob/ |
| 22:01 |
Sokomine |
Guest67775: that vanilla server of VanessaE is really quite nice for getting started. don't forget to select a name for you :-) Guest<random number> is usually banned on most servers |
| 22:01 |
Guest67775 |
How do I connect to a server? I don't see any spots to insert an IP address in the Server tab. |
| 22:01 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: no. MOB. |
| 22:02 |
VanessaE |
Movable Object Block |
| 22:02 |
sfan5 |
I'm for Massive Orange Brick |
| 22:02 |
VanessaE |
first coined by Commodore back in the 80's to refer to what most others called sprites. |
| 22:02 |
VanessaE |
Guest67775: click the "Client" tab. |
| 22:02 |
Sokomine |
Guest67775: select the "client" tab when the game starts up. that is where you can connect to multiplayer servers. there is even a public list |
| 22:02 |
sfan5 |
Guest67775: the server tab is for hosting servers, ^ |
| 22:02 |
sfan5 |
yeah |
| 22:02 |
VanessaE |
select a server fro... yeah, that. |
| 22:03 |
Guest67775 |
Thank you. |
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| 22:03 |
xenkey |
hi |
| 22:03 |
VanessaE |
damn it Sokomine stop ninja'ing me :) |
| 22:05 |
Guest67775 |
Oh boy. Nothing like having to try and get an indie program running on a strange OS. |
| 22:06 |
Guest67775 |
Pardon me for asking, but how do I change my name in this chat? |
| 22:06 |
xenkey |
/nick namehere |
| 22:06 |
* Sokomine |
looks innocently at vanessae :) |
| 22:07 |
Guest67775 |
Thanks. |
| 22:07 |
* xenkey |
looks guiltily at Sokomine |
| 22:07 |
Guest67775 |
Didn't work, actually. |
| 22:07 |
Sokomine |
but you where doing such a fine job of introducing the new player and explaining all :) there really wasn't that much more left |
| 22:07 |
Sokomine |
strange os? do you use windows? |
| 22:07 |
VanessaE |
Guest67775: /nick Sakaki_ |
| 22:07 |
VanessaE |
(with the underscore; someone else probably registered Sakaki already) |
| 22:07 |
Guest67775 |
/nick Sakaki_ |
| 22:07 |
Guest67775 |
Oops. |
| 22:07 |
VanessaE |
no spaces. |
| 22:07 |
xenkey |
no space at the start |
| 22:07 |
VanessaE |
well no LEADING spaces anyway :P |
| 22:07 |
Sakaki_ |
There. |
| 22:07 |
xenkey |
yeah that worked |
| 22:08 |
xenkey |
VanessaE: Heh |
| 22:08 |
Sokomine |
as long as it's not no space left on device... |
| 22:08 |
Sakaki_ |
I'm using Windows 10. |
| 22:08 |
xenkey |
Sokomine: Oh god |
| 22:08 |
xenkey |
I hate it when that happens |
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Sokomine |
Sakaki_: well, that is indeed a strange os. very few people use it here. though there are builds (=compiled versions) for windows |
| 22:09 |
* Sokomine |
nods to xenkey |
| 22:10 |
Sakaki_ |
Don't worry. I'll just spend the next few hours trying to come up with a failure of a repair. |
| 22:11 |
Sokomine |
*g* we manage to break the game often enough on our own ,-) but you're welcome to proudce further bugs :) |
| 22:11 |
Sokomine |
the nice thing about this game is that you can mod it very easily. once you've understood how it works, you can change it the way you like |
| 22:11 |
Sakaki_ |
Is there any options set in here to change from openGL to DirectX? |
| 22:12 |
Sokomine |
under settings/rendering |
| 22:13 |
AnotherBrick |
dammit i was always editing minetest.conf for that %) |
| 22:16 |
Sakaki_ |
Any option for enabling image interlacing? It might fix the image rendering problem by resetting the bitmaps on the images. |
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Sakaki_ |
The texture designers should've used png-8 instead of png-24 to fix errors with interlacing on non-openGL computers. :/ |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
er no |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
libpng and/or your driver should handle that |
| 22:21 |
VanessaE |
and you meant image indexing. some modders already do that anyway |
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Sakaki_ |
Sadly, due to the beta drivers for videos, they don't really use OpenGL, so there's not much support for stuff that isn't DirectX 12. |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
ah |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
well there IS a directx driver but you can't use shaders |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
(they're written in GLSL, not HLSL) |
| 22:26 |
Sakaki_ |
Well, I'd prefer not to lose shaders, so I'll just try and get rid of these drivers and replace them. |
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| 22:31 |
Sakaki_ |
Any ideas for a fix to turn on interlacing? |
| 22:31 |
VanessaE |
interlacing?? |
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| 22:31 |
VanessaE |
who uses that these days? |
| 22:32 |
Sakaki_ |
That's the problem. |
| 22:32 |
Sakaki_ |
The engine the game uses is suggesting that it be turned on, and it simply crashes afterwards. |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
oh ignore that |
| 22:32 |
VanessaE |
everyone gets that warning but it doesn't actually mean anything. |
| 22:33 |
VanessaE |
is there nothing useful in your debug.txt from the crash? |
| 22:34 |
Sakaki_ |
Irrlicht was unable to open textures, and textures failed to generate. |
| 22:35 |
Sakaki_ |
Therefore, that makes me an idiot. |
| 22:35 |
VanessaE |
that just means they were probably missing entirely. |
| 22:35 |
Sakaki_ |
Oh. |
| 22:35 |
Sakaki_ |
You're right. |
| 22:35 |
VanessaE |
that's not the first time I've seen that |
| 22:36 |
Sakaki_ |
I don't have many texture files at all. |
| 22:36 |
VanessaE |
textures are stored with their mods actually |
| 22:36 |
VanessaE |
minetest_game/mods/default/textures for example. |
| 22:36 |
Sakaki_ |
Where would slc_n.png be located? |
| 22:36 |
VanessaE |
mods/signs_lib/textures |
| 22:36 |
Sakaki_ |
Hm. |
| 22:37 |
VanessaE |
or mods/homedecor_modpack/signs_lib/textures |
| 22:37 |
Sakaki_ |
What do you suggest I do? |
| 22:38 |
VanessaE |
honestly I don't know |
| 22:38 |
VanessaE |
you're using windows so I'm out of element here |
| 22:39 |
Sakaki_ |
Well, you set it was part of the mods, right? If I was unable to make a connection to your server and gain access to those files, wouldn't it just be a problem of permissions? |
| 22:39 |
VanessaE |
oh wait |
| 22:39 |
Sakaki_ |
I did get quite a few textures for a second, but the rest are missing. |
| 22:39 |
VanessaE |
you couldn't download the textures? |
| 22:39 |
VanessaE |
I didn't see that |
| 22:39 |
Sakaki_ |
Nope. |
| 22:39 |
VanessaE |
that's weird. |
| 22:39 |
VanessaE |
try connecting again maybe |
| 22:40 |
Sakaki_ |
I'll try under a different IP. |
| 22:40 |
VanessaE |
not necessary |
| 22:40 |
Sakaki_ |
Okay. |
| 22:41 |
Sakaki_ |
Exact same error. |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
even down to the same missing files? |
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| 22:42 |
Sakaki_ |
It's only two missing files. slc_n.png and slc_0.png. |
| 22:42 |
VanessaE |
checking.., |
| 22:42 |
Sakaki_ |
Wait! |
| 22:43 |
VanessaE |
holy crap |
| 22:43 |
VanessaE |
mine spews such errors also |
| 22:43 |
VanessaE |
ok I know why |
| 22:43 |
Sakaki_ |
I can play, almost everything's missing. |
| 22:43 |
VanessaE |
server needs restarted to push a code change I made recently. |
| 22:43 |
Sakaki_ |
Ah. |
| 22:43 |
est31 |
VanessaE, why do you not get tons of Deprecated call to "get_entity_name actionstream errors? |
| 22:43 |
est31 |
when running dreambuilder |
| 22:44 |
est31 |
../dreambuilder_game/mods/digilines/digilines_lcd/init.lua:42: in function 'clearscreen' |
| 22:44 |
VanessaE |
est31: because I have depecation warning disabled |
| 22:44 |
VanessaE |
or at least I thought I did |
| 22:44 |
VanessaE |
in any case I hate the code that spews such warnings, because it does it non-stop, no rate-limiting. |
| 22:44 |
Sakaki_ |
You got a skin mod, right? |
| 22:45 |
VanessaE |
I do. |
| 22:45 |
VanessaE |
give it 30 seconds and then sign in again |
| 22:45 |
Sokomine |
which version are you using? which build? |
| 22:45 |
Sokomine |
ah, ok |
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| 22:46 |
VanessaE |
I use a git build from late June. |
| 22:46 |
VanessaE |
the problem you had is just my server not having all files up-to-date. |
| 22:46 |
VanessaE |
hmn, something ain't right with signs now. |
| 22:46 |
AnotherBrick |
est31 : do you still need those dumps from character conversion? |
| 22:47 |
est31 |
AnotherBrick, seems not |
| 22:47 |
est31 |
AnotherBrick, you are on windows, right? |
| 22:47 |
AnotherBrick |
yes |
| 22:48 |
AnotherBrick |
and cyrillic doesn't work with CP_UTF8 in utf8_to_wide |
| 22:48 |
est31 |
can you try that other CP_ thing? |
| 22:48 |
est31 |
CP_ACP |
| 22:49 |
AnotherBrick |
i tried CP_ACP and forced set_locale to ru_RU.UTF8 and it worked fine |
| 22:49 |
est31 |
and can you give me a hex dump of the utf8 output? |
| 22:49 |
est31 |
err input |
| 22:50 |
est31 |
only utf8 input |
| 22:50 |
est31 |
what do you mean with set_locale? |
| 22:51 |
AnotherBrick |
i compiled minetest without gettext and no locale seems to be set when there's no gettext |
| 22:52 |
AnotherBrick |
input is the same for CP_UTF8 and CP_ACP |
| 22:52 |
Sakaki_ |
Did you fix it? |
| 22:53 |
AnotherBrick |
string ffff, input: 6600660066006600; |
| 22:53 |
AnotherBrick |
string ffЖff, input: 66006600160466006600 |
| 22:56 |
VanessaE |
it's fixed, Sakaki_ . |
| 22:56 |
VanessaE |
for now. |
| 22:58 |
est31 |
AnotherBrick, and utf8 output? |
| 22:59 |
est31 |
for input ffЖff |
| 23:00 |
AnotherBrick |
6666d0966666 |
| 23:01 |
est31 |
nice, works! |
| 23:01 |
AnotherBrick |
d0 96 is actually correct representation of Ж, but it's displayed as two symbols.. |
| 23:01 |
est31 |
yes |
| 23:01 |
AnotherBrick |
hmmm.. lemme check.. |
| 23:01 |
est31 |
whats your |
| 23:02 |
est31 |
github username? |
| 23:02 |
est31 |
http://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl?start=1024 |
| 23:02 |
est31 |
select "cyrillic" |
| 23:02 |
est31 |
and hex for display format |
| 23:10 |
est31 |
AnotherBrick, are you neoastetic? |
| 23:11 |
AnotherBrick |
oh! sorry i missed that. i'm cupofinsane at github |
| 23:50 |
MinetestBot |
[git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Use minetest logging facilities for irrlicht log output a938387 http://git.io/vqYMj (2015-07-05T01:05:24+02:00) |
