Time Nick Message 00:23 Nana10 hi folks 00:26 FreeFull Building Minetest warns that it's using a deprecated irrlicht function GetBoneName 00:26 FreeFull getBoneName* 00:30 Nana10 I am on debian.. version.. toooo old. I am a linux noob and my niece needs minetest. I tried to install windows - bluescreen. mint distro takes so long, that I'm gonna fell asleep. some guy in the german minetest channel said, he compiles the newest version of minetest. So: I have no empty dvd's, only cd's.. how can I get the game running like I want? :_: 00:31 VanessaE download and build it 00:31 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837 00:31 Nana10 other thing: if I'm too noob to be noob, win7 or 10 won't run either on p4 ht processor? or am I just dumb? 00:32 VanessaE that should solve your need, Nana10 00:33 LazyJ We have a player that uses Windows XP (and one of the 32bit builds of Minetest). 00:33 Nana10 wow, that looks very difficult, is this "save" to my idiotic- noobness? :P 00:34 VanessaE Nana10: just copy that gigantic wall of text to a terminal and run it. 00:34 VanessaE it's literally one step :) 00:34 Nana10 LazyJ: yes, but. neither win7 nor winxp home and professional seems wanted to be installed on this pc T_T 00:34 LazyJ Hehehe... can't blame them. 00:34 VanessaE click "CODE: SELECT ALL" --> Ctrl-C to copy, paste it into a terminal, hit enter. 00:35 LazyJ klapp calls her WinXP laptop a "toaster". :) 00:35 Nana10 VanessaE: wow, u serious? now I feel really noob 00:36 Nana10 but thx!! 00:36 VanessaE yep :) 00:38 Nana10 got 0.3.1 00:39 OldCoder Comments please on http://minetest.org/crash.txt 00:42 Nana10 ok, I've had some issues before. Just can't update either the OS, nor the minetest version. the last chance would be to buy windows and a windows pc. but I feel way too proud for it, maybe there is another way to get it to run. last chance would be me backuping the files and install ubuntu with wine simulator, but maybe I can just work around this .. "nice" distro 00:44 Nana10 I've heard that debian is the king of linux.. so.. I know it's not for gaming. but isn't "gaming" reading kind of some dll's or am I noobier then I thought? 00:46 Nana10 http://pastebin.com/JS3FiyQP 00:52 technomancy Nana10: debian is fine for minetest 00:52 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Hey OldCoder.. 00:52 MyTeke_ChrisWMas I would Enjoy to help.. 00:52 technomancy I've had better luck with minetest on debian than minetest on windows 00:52 technomancy Nana10: when people say it's not great for gaming I think they mean it's not great for running proprietary software on 00:53 MyTeke_ChrisWMas OldCoder PM me.. I can have a 78% chance with helping you because I have ran a server for long lengths of time.. Also a stable Server.. 00:54 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas ty. I will be back in half an hour or so. I have run 24 worlds over 3 years. 00:54 y hai 00:54 OldCoder Unless you can comment on the crash.txt file you probably can't help but thanks. 00:54 OldCoder This is not server config 00:54 OldCoder It is a core crash 00:54 OldCoder Need to identify trigger 00:55 MyTeke_ChrisWMas WOW.. I don't Enjoy starting a new world and I l;ook for server Stablity. 00:55 * OldCoder has had dozens and they work but this crash is bad 00:55 OldCoder o/ 00:57 Nana10 sry, re. Was just mixing some drink. I'll read all that fast, sec pls 00:57 MyTeke_ChrisWMas OldCoder I have checked the longs.. You are having a IOMMU error. 00:59 Nana10 how to identify the trigger OldCoder 00:59 Nana10 ? 01:01 Nana10 this piece of hardware is really a "hard one" I've had a few pc's and all the .iso's and installer cd/dvd's ran fine. now, as I am forced to think about architechture and hardware issues, I'm just fkt.... :/ 01:02 Nana10 I even can't do vim editor really..... 01:03 Nana10 so I run this gui debian but.... I guess it needs some "cutie" and some "wine dll stuff" and it should work, c'mon. I'd really wanna try debian out 01:04 technomancy Nana10: I run Minetest on an ancient thinkpad fro 2007 with debian FWIW 01:04 MyTeke_ChrisWMas I have fixed this error with a CPU COnsole Patch.. 01:06 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Well, the CPU is the most important piece of this problem.. 01:06 Nana10 it's a p4 ht, I guess 3.2 ghz 01:06 technomancy Nana10: wait, why are you using wine? 01:06 Nana10 I am not 01:07 Nana10 I thoght it'd be the last thing. I want to keep debian. I just don't want to install ubuntu next to debian 01:08 Nana10 So, ofc it's possible to run it by installing all the stuff automaticlally, but: I want to install it all by myself, so, maybe I can learn about how this "app" works and what it needs 01:10 technomancy Nana10: installing all the dependencies yourself is a waste of time; it's very difficult to find the right versions, and it's hugely tediosu 01:10 technomancy so use `apt-get build-dep minetest`, clone the source for just minetest, and follow the instructions there 01:10 Nana10 meh, I hoped much that it's easy. But what is a tediosu? 01:11 technomancy tedious =) 01:11 technomancy the problem with dependencies is that one dependency brings in seventeen of its own dependencies 01:11 Nana10 meh sorry :_: 01:11 Nana10 I know 01:13 Nana10 but that's why I've installed debian. To learn how this *nix is working and how to get stuff on it. I like this one more then windows because I feel a bit more "near" to the hardware, than I would, if I'd use windows 01:13 technomancy start by just compiling minetest; that should be enough of a learning experience 01:13 Nana10 strange that I can't run debian and mint on 1 HDD -.- 01:15 Nana10 I've had compiled teamspeak 2 back then... 4 years ago. but I need to understand the process. not copypaste the shell cmd's in the cli. I know I am noob to pc but I really want to learn it, I am very thankfull that you take your time, but I don't wanna waste it 01:15 MyTeke_ChrisWMas wow. 01:16 technomancy Nana10: there are way more important things to learn about unix than how to compile your own glib 01:16 Nana10 surely I can do mkfile compilefile or whatever, but I want to learn stuff to play online with u and not annoy you anymore 01:16 soft_libre Megaf: what are you doing here??? 01:16 soft_libre What are you doing here Megaf? are you playing at your server? XD jajaja 01:17 Nana10 inder? 01:17 technomancy I've got a technic game going, and turning off creative doesn't work 01:18 technomancy I've tried /revoke me creative but that doesn't get rid of it either 01:18 technomancy any suggestions? 01:18 soft_libre teamspeak 2! wow :-) I used that before :) 01:21 Nana10 ok I ask stupid questions.. so: what so I need to get the latest minetest version to run? if I'd compile it.... I'd have a programm, an "app". so.. but.. the "app" need other libraries, or doesn't it? how I get the cake sweet and not too hard? 01:22 Nana10 btw: 3 years is so awesome! 01:25 technomancy Nana10: that's what apt-get build-dep does 01:25 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, really? If true, thank you. Thank you for time regardless. 01:26 Nana10 there is /are just too much "files" in such a program. "this needs that and this is need for the other thing, don't forget this one" I just want to run that thing. in q3 it was just the 0.pk or what the name was, I've mixed 2 games in 1. there were quake 3 and openarena. the client did the first work, the pk0 package did the rest, and some send scripts 01:26 OldCoder Nana10, not stupid 01:26 OldCoder Nana10, are you trying to run MT on Windows? Or on Debian? 01:26 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, can you comment further? 01:27 OldCoder Nana10, to identify the trigger, one must repeatedly produce a problem 01:28 Nana10 "package must be directed" or "404 destination not found" when "I apt-get build-dep" 01:28 Nana10 2nd one was just fun, the first message is the nearest of reality. my english sucks 01:29 Nana10 I try to update... or "get" the newest version of MT for debian 01:29 Nana10 I've tried: 01:31 MyTeke_ChrisWMas hey OldCoder.. 01:32 Nana10 shit, it's gone, my niece've deleted the files 01:32 Nana10 even the bookmarks 01:32 Nana10 I guess she was really pissed that her 'admin' is such a loser xD 01:32 MyTeke_ChrisWMas THe Problem can be with IOMMU of the CPU, HServer Hardware and how Stable the Server is with Surviving DAYS of uptime. 01:33 Nana10 so.. I've tried to set the repo's to the up-to-date-ubuntu-repo's 01:34 twoelk Nana10: you are aware of for example http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest or https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt 01:34 Nana10 set it in the "get-my-source-from" thingy (yes, hate the gnu/nix noobie) and gedit'ed the file to the source to "precise", or smth like that 01:35 MyTeke_ChrisWMas hmmm am I the ONLY server admin attempting to use AMD Servers with CentOS, Fedora, FreeBSD. 01:36 sloantothebone Hi 01:36 OldCoder Nana10, do you have a VPS? 01:36 OldCoder I could ssh in, have you join me in screen, and walk you through everything 01:36 Nana10 thank you twoelk, I know.. google and stuff. but do you think that'd work? 01:37 chicken oldcoder 01:37 OldCoder chicken 01:37 OldCoder Mm, chicken 01:37 chicken gamerdude 01:37 sloantothebone I installed the minetest daily builds ppa, now what? 01:37 sloantothebone Hi oldcoder 01:37 OldCoder sloantothebone 01:37 Nana10 no vps OldCoder 01:37 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Yes.. 01:37 sloantothebone How do I install the latest build of minetest? 01:37 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, you know Genshin, then; may we discuss the IOMMU issue or network problem? Not clear yet. If it is not fixed, my best world shuts down. 01:37 Nana10 what is a vps? 01:37 OldCoder sloantothebone, OS ? 01:38 OldCoder Nana10, is this your own personal machine? 01:38 Nana10 virtual penis sponsor? xD 01:38 OldCoder No 01:38 sloantothebone Ubuntu 14.04 01:38 OldCoder And this i a G-rated channel 01:38 OldCoder sloantothebone, I will talk you through a build 01:38 OldCoder You can build it yourself 01:38 OldCoder And become thereby a core dev 01:38 OldCoder I saw your message earlier 01:38 sloantothebone Okay 01:38 Nana10 what is g-rated? 01:38 OldCoder Nana10, is this a home machine? 01:38 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Yes, VPS are cool though COntrol of own Servers are amazing I don't like being stuck with Shaerd/VPS gennypigs hosting providers. 01:38 Nana10 > OldCoder no 01:38 OldCoder G-Rated means no adult humor or try to keep it under control 01:39 OldCoder Nana10, what is the machine exactly? 01:39 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, explain IOMMU issue 01:39 sloantothebone Will building interfere with my current installed minetest? 01:39 OldCoder Please 01:39 OldCoder sloantothebone, nope 01:39 OldCoder Not at all 01:39 sloantothebone Okay 01:39 OldCoder If you do it right can have many different server processes 01:39 sloantothebone Do you wanna pm me? 01:39 OldCoder Not right now LOTT is at risk 01:39 sloantothebone Oh 01:39 MyTeke_ChrisWMas I have failed 06 times with running a stable minetestserver on VPS running. 01:39 OldCoder But I will show you what to do when we can talk 01:39 MyTeke_ChrisWMas OldCoder.. 01:39 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, go on 01:39 * OldCoder is listening 01:40 Nana10 I'd could paste the lshw or stuff, but I'm really noob. so you must tell me the exactly way to answer.. sorry :( 01:40 sloantothebone Imma try reinstalling minetest, see if I get the latest build 01:40 OldCoder Nana10, no... just tell us... whose machine is this and where is it? 01:40 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, please explain. I really don't want to shut down LOTT but will need to do so. 01:40 Nana10 it's my old one and it's in germany lol w00t 01:41 OldCoder The core devs are not even responding 01:41 MyTeke_ChrisWMas the IOMMU is what minetest uses for everything. 01:41 OldCoder Nana10, fine. Is it where you are or not? 01:41 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, IOMMU is basic hardware 01:41 OldCoder Everything uses IOMMU 01:41 OldCoder Go on 01:41 Nana10 I can use it 2 days of 7. so on weekends I'm allowed to use it 01:41 OldCoder Nana10, are you an adult, a teenager, or a child? 01:42 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Not really, IOMMU being completely stable is what is failling a Stable minetest server. 01:42 OldCoder Asking for practical reasons 01:42 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, explain, please 01:42 Nana10 the user is a child, I'm an adult.. a noob adult 01:42 OldCoder Nana10, noob is fine. Explain allowed to use it remark. 01:42 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Adult 24 years old with my own Technical company 01:42 OldCoder Fine 01:42 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, I meant Nana10 not you 01:42 OldCoder Pleased to meet you BTW 01:43 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Okay the reason are as follows.. 01:43 OldCoder Nana10, noob is fine. Explain allowed to use it remark. 01:43 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, listening with interest 01:43 OldCoder Nana10, explain allowed to use it. Also explain if the machine is with you or how you access it. 01:43 OldCoder Do you have ssh access to this machine? Or are you sitting in front of it? 01:43 MyTeke_ChrisWMas YOur server crashes due to the IOMMU not releasing the threads properly thus making the process Termination a fatal.. 01:44 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, you are stating that there is a hardware or compiler bug 01:44 Nana10 no, I'm accessing it without ssh, without orca, or other programs, I'm really here and have root rights 01:44 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, which is it? And how do you connect it to the log? 01:45 OldCoder Nana10, do you *own* this machine? Explain the "allowed to use it" remark. Last time I am asking. 01:45 Nana10 but only until tomorrow, I'd really wanna see that smile, and I'd tell the user that the smile isn't my win, it's the community's win :p 01:45 OldCoder I have asked three or four times. Please respond. 01:45 OldCoder Nana10, do you *own* this machine? Explain the "allowed to use it" remark. Last time I am asking. 01:45 OldCoder I have asked three or four times. Please respond or the discussion must end now. 01:45 MyTeke_ChrisWMas When a Server crash the CPU would notify the Processes to terminate properly and the IOMMU runs stable thus saving everything to hard drives, exporting ram to disk and then restarting the server flushing server Threats preparing Server Halt. 01:46 Nana10 I guess I own it... my english isn't that good. but.. I can log in when I ask for it 01:46 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, that does not parse, with all due respect. When a server crashes? What crash? 01:46 Nana10 I'm the "admin" that is totally noob 01:46 OldCoder Nana10, where is this machine? I don't mean Germany. 01:46 OldCoder You are AT the machine? At your home? 01:46 OldCoder Is this at your home? 01:47 OldCoder Please explain. Your English is good enough. 01:47 Nana10 no, I'm not at home 01:47 Nana10 why is this info needed? 01:47 OldCoder Is this at a company? At your job? 01:47 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Both Hardware AND Compiler bugs when the server is Not compiled to make use of every hardware feature the server can crash without knowing its master machine with server benefits. 01:47 OldCoder Nana10, enough. I have spent like 15 minutes trying to get the most basic info imaginable. 01:47 OldCoder It is needed to understand the issue and to explain things in a way that will work. 01:47 Nana10 ok, I answer, no it's a friend home 01:48 OldCoder So your machine is stored at a friend's home?? 01:48 Nana10 it's not mine 01:48 OldCoder And you must go there to use it? 01:48 Nana10 it was mine 01:48 OldCoder Ah 01:48 OldCoder So, he/she will let you put MT on it? 01:48 Nana10 yes 01:48 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Oldcofer Notify e whrn your free. 01:48 OldCoder Now, log-in please 01:49 Nana10 where? 01:49 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, the explanation does not quite parse, but thank you 01:49 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Oldcoder Notify me when your free. 01:49 Nana10 ip:port? 01:49 OldCoder Nana10, is this a Linux box? 01:49 OldCoder No 01:49 OldCoder You are at the machine, right? 01:49 OldCoder Nana10, is this a Linux box? 01:49 Nana10 this is just a regular pc 01:50 Nana10 that runs debian 01:50 Nana10 forgot the version, because the user's deleted the files I needed to update MT. I guess the user was pissed. as childs are pissed to any little thing.. 01:51 MyTeke_ChrisWMas You had a server crash and recovery is next then preventing this from happening again. you shouldn't have to be a victim to server crashes. 01:51 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, fine. Suggestions? 01:51 OldCoder Nana10, log into the Debian command prompt 01:53 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Yes.. YOur log that you've shown shows hat the Server crashed not due to a Kill command though to a hardware failure. 01:53 Nana10 as? this debian is so retarded, I must make sudoers file blablabla I can login as with root terminal and install programms. but fck no, I can't add users via console. no damn setpw or mkpw or whatever is ok for this OS 01:53 Nana10 ok I log in 01:53 Nana10 pls don't destroy this pc man 01:54 Nana10 I trust u 01:54 Nana10 u help me out, I will help you out. I've already had heard u use C for MT 01:54 OldCoder We are not going to do anything right now Nana10 01:54 OldCoder This is to assess 01:54 OldCoder Do this: 01:54 OldCoder sudo bash 01:54 OldCoder Are you able to do so? 01:55 Nana10 I'm root. no sudo needed 01:55 MyTeke_ChrisWMas OldCoder.. Your Log shows "2015-07-03 17:33:07: INFO[ServerThread]: ServerMap: Unloaded 47 blocks from memory, of which 5 were written, 1684 blocks in memory. 2015-07-03 17:33:07: INFO[ServerThread]: ServerMap: Blocks modified by: 2015-07-03 17:33:07: INFO[ServerThread]: setTimestamp, Timestamp expired (step): - 5" 01:55 OldCoder Fine, so you are not such a noob Nana10 01:55 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, do you have a suggestion? 01:55 OldCoder Nana10, uname -a 01:55 Nana10 regular console is fcked up. says like "no blabla in sudoers file" 01:55 OldCoder When you say regular console, what do you mean? Nana10 01:56 Nana10 Linux na-me 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux 01:56 MyTeke_ChrisWMas "Timestamp expired (step): - 5" means that you have buffer overruns which a crash would corruption. 01:57 Nana10 x86 rus even almost fine, except, even win xp says: no man! bluescreen mofo :( 01:57 MyTeke_ChrisWMas lol 01:57 Nana10 rus = runs* 01:58 chicken oldcoder 01:58 Nana10 this hardware is really annoying, I really need to find out why the. fk 01:58 chicken dudegamer/gamerdude here 01:58 OldCoder chicken 01:58 MyTeke_ChrisWMas OldCoder "2015-07-03 17:32:59: VERBOSE[ServerThread]: ServerEnvironment::deactivateFarObjects(): object id=1207 is known by clients; not deleting yet 2015-07-03 17:32:59: VERBOSE[ServerThread]: ServerEnvironment::deactivateFarObjects(): deactivating object id=1208 on inactive block (0,1,-7) 2015-07-03 17:32:59: VERBOSE[ServerThread]: virtual std::string LuaEntitySAO::getStaticData()" this is a Big problem with running server 01:58 OldCoder MyTeke_ChrisWMas, keep that to PM perhaps 01:58 OldCoder Nana10, do you have a working CLI or not ? 01:58 OldCoder It sounds like you do 01:59 OldCoder A working command prompt, terminal, shell, etc. 01:59 Nana10 it's open and I have root access, if you me4an that 01:59 OldCoder You said one was corrupted 01:59 OldCoder Are you able to explain that? 01:59 MyTeke_ChrisWMas okat THanks. 01:59 Nana10 I guess it reads the bourne shell or that, the bash? 01:59 OldCoder Nana10, do you have Internet access on the box? 02:00 OldCoder Are you connected here from there? Or using some other PC? 02:00 Nana10 on the box? I guess yes, I can do apt-get update or stuff 02:00 Nana10 except that the tabulator stuff doesn't work :3 02:01 Nana10 OldCoder: you are crazy 2 problems at once! 02:01 Nana10 I am connected directely, no vm, nothing 02:01 OldCoder Hm? You are all set, then 02:01 Nana10 pc > router > internet 02:02 OldCoder Now... this is your friend's router, correct? 02:02 chicken Nana10: OldCoder is HELPING you. 02:02 Nana10 yes, it is OldCoder 02:02 OldCoder How would your friend feel about port forwarding two ports: 22 and 30000 to your box? 02:03 Nana10 I don't understand? 02:03 OldCoder Do you know what port forwarding is? 02:03 Nana10 no 02:03 OldCoder All right. Here is my assessment: 02:03 OldCoder You have a working Debian box, root access, Internet. MT will run fine. 02:04 OldCoder You are not sufficiently experienced to be talked through setup. 02:04 OldCoder As there are problems of some type that you have difficulty explaining. 02:04 OldCoder I could go onto your PC and set things up with you watching 02:04 OldCoder We would be sharing a screen 02:04 OldCoder Both typing together 02:04 OldCoder You would take notes 02:04 Nana10 not really. I've had asked about how to update the version of the existing program 02:04 OldCoder So you could learn this 02:04 OldCoder Not really what? 02:05 Nana10 MT is running without problems, but I need the newer version of it 02:05 OldCoder Fine 02:05 OldCoder Nana10, for me personally to help you, I would need to go onto your machine. I do not think this will work out. Good luck. 02:05 Nana10 since windows is saying: no mate.. here.. take the bluescreen. with .iso's and even with original cd 02:06 OldCoder How does Windows figure into it? 02:06 Nana10 maybe it's because the OEM bios 02:07 Nana10 well lol, try it, I have the orca "app" 02:08 Nana10 I write the "" because this is a construct of working pieces. not only an "app" "do you have app x?" "nah, I have app z, it's even better!" that's why the "" 02:09 Nana10 I know what you are knowing... nooooot xD 02:10 Nana10 but I am asking to something little into it. just need the push into the right direction, I'll find my way 02:10 Pilcrow182 I'll just leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20BySC_6HyY 02:11 Nana10 is this http or flash? 02:11 Nana10 I use windows for my own Pilcrow182 02:11 Pilcrow182 Nana10: no idea. just a vid I found that was funny. 02:12 Pilcrow182 Nana10: you use windows for your own what? 02:12 Nana10 so you think, that trolling me is funny :p 02:12 Nana10 got that.. 02:12 chicken hrm 02:12 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Wow.. 02:13 chicken what did i step into 02:13 Nana10 lol a=a nil. looked funny but I don't get it 02:13 Nana10 a = a isn't even something?????? 02:13 Nana10 even me noob can say that that's crap 02:14 Nana10 a == a; a != anythingother; 02:14 Nana10 lol is this bugging? :D 02:15 luizrpgluiz hi all 02:15 MyTeke_ChrisWMas Windows is so 2008 for me I could continue to trust a paper wieght Operating System. I have turned to Stable Linux Disro like Fedora, CentOS and FreeBSD without looking back.. How can a person trust a Window of a machine. Great now the internet has this Cloud Crap. Fake soild stuff in the Air.. 02:17 Nana10 I've had heard that the "arch"-distro is good 02:18 Pilcrow182 Nana10: trolling you? I don't know what you're talking about. did you ask a question before I posted that link? I just came online, so I didn't see anything from you. just pasted that link because I know there are a few coders here that might find it funny (est31 and exio4 might like it) 02:19 sloantothebone Hi luizrpgluiz 02:19 Nana10 didn't meant it offensive Pilcrow182 02:20 Nana10 sorry mate 02:20 Nana10 but many many thanks for the compiling links and sh!t <3 02:21 Nana10 OldCoder: so, did you create all this? 02:23 Nana10 I could google 2, no.. what is the MT engine off? is it the MC original engine or what is this? pls the vanilla name 02:23 Nana10 apprechiate with online funny chat in future? :3 02:23 Nana10 and a child you can help out? :p 02:23 Nana10 well that's so much 02:24 luizrpgluiz kkkkkkkkkkkkkk 02:25 Nana10 can I link the MT-client to the irc? ingame? 02:26 Nana10 so like.. are there good servers with some ppl playing on? 02:29 OldCoder Nana10, create all what? Not MT, no. Yes, most of my servers are good. 02:29 OldCoder LOTT is in trouble right now though. 02:29 OldCoder And yes you can link IRC 02:29 OldCoder I do that for all my worlds 02:30 luizrpgluiz OldCoder: hi old :) 02:30 OldCoder luizrpgluiz, hello 02:30 Nana10 I'll promise that you're time won't be wasted OldCoder 02:30 Nana10 I'll stay for like 5 years 02:30 OldCoder Nana10, I'll help if I can. But in your case I'd need ssh access. 02:30 OldCoder Google port forward 02:30 OldCoder Do that as first step 02:30 OldCoder Type port forward and the router model into Google 02:31 OldCoder port forward baconbrand 02:31 OldCoder for example 02:31 OldCoder port forward cisco 02:31 OldCoder port forward ne8844 02:31 OldCoder etc. 02:31 Nana10 masc changing aaaaw xD 02:31 OldCoder ? 02:32 Nana10 This technique is most commonly used to make services on a host residing on a protected or masqueraded (internal) network available to hosts on the opposite side of the gateway (external network), by remapping the destination IP address and port number of the communication to an internal host 02:33 Nana10 sounds like irc technique 02:33 Nana10 or other stuff like battle.net 02:34 luizrpgluiz OldCoder: what is the vps site you use to host your server? 02:34 Nana10 so yes, I need a client, that runs the correct protocol to join a server. no.. have not the right protocol. the compiling will last a bit because I've got some links from you in this chat. but I am way too sleepy to do this now 02:35 OldCoder luizrpgluiz, me 02:35 OldCoder Nana10, good night 02:35 Nana10 no vps lol, I'm naked 02:35 OldCoder luizrpgluiz, I am technically a webhost myself 02:35 OldCoder Nana10, thanks for sharing :P 02:36 OldCoder ^ Joke 02:36 Nana10 sharing what? 02:36 Nana10 T_T 02:36 OldCoder T_T ? 02:36 Nana10 trolled/10 :p 02:36 OldCoder ?? 02:36 OldCoder We are having idiomatic language issues, never mind 02:36 OldCoder Google as I said 02:36 OldCoder port forward 02:36 Nana10 sucessfully.trolled/10 02:36 OldCoder and add the model of your router 02:36 OldCoder ?? 02:36 Nana10 ok thx mate 02:37 OldCoder Good luck 02:37 Nana10 next time I'll help with program 02:37 OldCoder kk 02:37 OldCoder Night 02:37 OldCoder Moin 02:37 Nana10 thank you very much!!! 02:37 Nana10 sleep good 02:37 OldCoder Danke... shoen? 02:37 Nana10 ja, danke schön :D 02:37 OldCoder luizrpgluiz, I own my own hardware 02:37 OldCoder Ah 02:37 OldCoder o/ 02:37 Nana10 oe is right though 02:37 OldCoder kk 02:38 technomancy Nana10: "this program has too many files" reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCud8H7z7vU 02:39 Nana10 sec 40 lol 02:40 Nana10 yep, nice trolling me noob technomancy :p 02:40 OldCoder Nana10, don't put yourself down, if that is what you are doing 02:41 Nana10 wow, thx OldCoder: I try not to, I am an oldfag.. since 2k online :3 02:41 OldCoder kk 02:41 OldCoder Then don't deprecate noob 02:42 OldCoder Build on what you can 02:42 Nana10 ok, sir 02:42 OldCoder 02:42 * OldCoder online since 1973 :-) 02:42 Nana10 can google xD ok ok sorry 02:43 Nana10 well I wander around, the one says pascal the other says python. don't want to butthurt somebuddy because the 3rd says c#. w00t d0? :3 02:44 Nana10 I love quake. quake is in c. c pure 02:44 Nana10 I love other stuff. most is in java. all say java is shit 02:45 technomancy java isn't that much worse than C for large programs 02:45 Nana10 I like the firefox, it's c with mix of wtf-not, c'mon ^^ 02:45 technomancy they are both unbearably primitive 02:46 Nana10 I don't want to settle a fight, I just want to know: which is MT-speak? 02:47 Nana10 what* 02:47 sloantothebone MT-speak? 02:47 sloantothebone Hmm? Wait a minute 02:48 sloantothebone I've been wondering... Ya minecraft is in java and minetest is in c++ BUT its just an engine, how does java compare to minetest's lua api? 02:49 Nana10 I'd understand anything until lua api. 02:49 Nana10 lua is a datapase afaik 02:49 technomancy sloantothebone: a bigger difference is that minetest is designed for modding and minecraft has to be reverse-engineered 02:49 sloantothebone True 02:50 sloantothebone But... I've been enjoying Voxelands which is also not designed for modding, quite an enjoyable game 02:50 technomancy lua is easier to use than java for simple programs, but it also makes it much easier to make mistakes 02:51 technomancy neither is a very advanced language, but they both have really good runtimes 02:51 sloantothebone Has anybody here played voxelands? 02:51 sloantothebone Pure compiled code 02:51 Nana10 well, I want to learn how to program, not how to make mistakes 02:51 technomancy sloantothebone: that's a stupid claim 02:51 technomancy sloantothebone: lua is compiled too 02:51 Nana10 I just need an actual game 02:52 technomancy Nana10: learning lua to write mods is a great way to learn programming 02:52 Nana10 sloantothebone: no 02:52 sloantothebone Well... its not designed to be moddable 02:52 technomancy sloantothebone: right; they took minetest, forked it, and took out the best part 02:52 technomancy ._. 02:53 sloantothebone Nana10: I enjoyed programming with AutoHotkey, that is really easy 02:53 sloantothebone technomancy: What part? 02:53 Nana10 what is lua exactly? I mean, what does it do to the game? to the exec-file or to the what? sorry for noob questions 02:53 Nana10 but I promise, if this source code is open, I will learn and help 02:54 technomancy Nana10: lua is a programming language that's embedded in larger programs 02:54 technomancy Nana10: minetest mods are written in lua 02:55 sloantothebone Nana10: Yeah I always see lua embedded like that lol 02:56 Nana10 sloantothebone: you sound like you make fun of it 02:56 sloantothebone Its in mintest, its in cheat engine, its in orbiter 02:56 sloantothebone Make fun of what? 02:56 sloantothebone Oh lua? 02:57 sloantothebone Ohhhh... I mean I have always seen lua being used in another program, never alone 02:57 Nana10 yes, but I am noob. so don't take it seriously 02:57 sloantothebone Ok 02:58 technomancy Nana10: I'm actually working on a mod to allow you to learn programming from inside minetest itself rather than writing a mod 02:58 sloantothebone You wanna learn programming? So do I 02:58 Nana10 yes, even this "api" word, I'll have to learn and to try and what it is and things before I can write comments 02:58 technomancy https://github.com/technomancy/calandria if you are interested, though it still needs some work 02:58 sloantothebone technomancy: Ooooh? that interests me 02:59 technomancy sloantothebone: happy to take any feedback =) 02:59 Nana10 well, I'd help, I need experience with programming and stuff 02:59 sloantothebone Nana10: API cant remember what it stands for but makes it easier to program things by adding libraries or calls or something 02:59 Nana10 looks good. the pic's I mean. Can't deal with the code 03:00 technomancy eventually I want to make a world that has introductory instructions and puzzles you solve with some programming 03:00 technomancy but I'm not quite there yet 03:00 Nana10 so I have to learn lua? 03:01 technomancy yes 03:01 technomancy you don't want to learn C++ as a beginner; it is a big pile of hurt 03:01 Nana10 I've had tried some python. was fun imo 03:01 technomancy there are times when it makes sense to use it (like when integrating with a 3D engine like minetest does) but it's wise to stay away from it for as long as possible 03:02 technomancy Nana10: lua is a lot like python, but much simpler; fewer weird quirks 03:02 Nana10 u kidding technomancy? 03:02 technomancy ...no? 03:02 technomancy python is a big language 03:03 Nana10 I don't want to push buttons, I want to learn how the engine works. not every single thing but, the most of 03:03 Nana10 only have played around with python. but I want more, I think every language works in kind of this way 03:05 Nana10 I know, read the source-code 03:05 Nana10 I will 03:06 Nana10 but just wanted to know maybe the hard issues of the MT-debian problem. so the cpu- issue is clear 03:06 Nana10 but win xp issue still NOT clear xD 03:06 Nana10 this hardware makes me mad omg 03:07 technomancy Nana10: every imperative language works basically the same way, but not all languages are imperative 03:07 Nana10 technomancy: sounds very acceptable and well understandable 03:08 Nana10 technomancy: I guess you're longer here then me, if I'd not spam the chat and I'd post links with real output: would I'd get better acceptance? 03:09 Nana10 asthen: where is the acceptable imag upI04der 03:11 Nana10 where = what 03:12 Nana10 best = ofc: no ip logging, nor img hosting or saving or sharing 03:13 Nana10 like pastebin for images 03:13 technomancy Nana10: I'm not sure I follow, but yeah if you have questions about error messages you'll get better help if you post the details 03:14 Nana10 but I don't really want to p2p or here, I'd like to have an anonymous sharer 03:14 FreeFull Crafting broke 03:15 FreeFull When I try to split a stack into two slots, all of the stack goes into the second slot 03:15 FreeFull Seems to affect some but not all inventory slots too 03:15 sloantothebone technomancy: you never told me what the best part was that they took out of voxelands 03:16 FreeFull I can presplit the stack but that's not the same 03:17 * sloantothebone is dealing with 4 annoying basenjis 03:21 soft_libre FreeFull: something simmilar happened to me 03:21 technomancy sloantothebone: the ability to extend it with a scritping language 03:22 soft_libre yesterday I tried to craft something, I put a cube of tree to craft wood and nothing 03:22 soft_libre I wanted to craft a shared chest, and split 8 cubes, put one on the crafter, one more and then all 8 cubes was at the crafter 03:23 soft_libre Nana10: what did you do on Python? (Python2 or 3?) 03:23 Nana10 python 3. the spider game lol 03:24 Nana10 last program failed 03:24 soft_libre spider game? can you send me a link? 03:24 soft_libre did you use github/bitbucket? 03:24 soft_libre did you try other languages than Python3? 03:24 FreeFull soft_libre: Restarting minetest didn't help either, so it might be something serverside 03:25 soft_libre yep, FreeFull, I restarted minetest, updated through "git update", compiled, nothing... 03:25 Nana10 https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/oneiric/laby/ 03:26 Nana10 that are all my pyhton "pro leet knowings", nah, really, I wan to learn some game 03:26 Nana10 that has FUTURE 03:26 FreeFull soft_libre: What if you make a new world? 03:27 soft_libre wait wait wait... Nana10 that is something like gnurobots! :-) awesome! 03:27 soft_libre FreeFull: I don't know, I was playing on a server also... 03:27 soft_libre FreeFull: and I always tried on the same server... But today, everything was fine... 03:27 Nana10 ok, quake is past future so much, but think about it. the COD-games are like a "mod" of the idtech-engine. so the enging is something, that I wanna like to know. same to MT or MC. I want to know how it wors out and manipulate it:3 03:28 Nana10 gnurobot 03:29 soft_libre jaja :D well... is for learning programming in scheme :-P but, I don't recomend to start learning scheme XD 03:29 * soft_libre hates ubuntu apps!!! 03:30 * soft_libre wants to download python sources for Laby!!! 03:30 * Nana10 whine about being trolled by soft_libre 03:31 Nana10 much noob. so cry. meh. ;_; 03:31 soft_libre can you send me a link where I can download the sources! I don't have Ubuntu 03:31 soft_libre (the link for download is apt://laby :-P it wont work on other distros! :-P ) 03:32 * soft_libre wasn't trolling you Nana10 03:32 Nana10 why should I send you the link for a... (omg, now I've barely got it) API?, that you don't have? 03:33 Nana10 apt link wow thx guys!!! pls no virus lol 03:33 soft_libre ? 03:33 Nana10 I mean really, pls no virus 03:33 technomancy I gotta take off but if you have any questions about calandria you can PM me or open a github issue 03:33 soft_libre apt://laby is the link at the page you gave me 03:34 Nana10 apt- link: I clicked and my cpu-fan gets crazy 03:34 soft_libre Nana10: wait... what did you do then? do you try the game writing a code or you did Laby? 03:35 Nana10 I've just clicked on it? 03:35 Nana10 soft_libre 03:35 soft_libre well, the link is going to install Laby into your computer, laby was the ink you gave me... 03:35 soft_libre noop! jajajaja :D you don't need it! 03:35 soft_libre *"link" not "ink" 03:36 Nana10 I know the jajajaja means lol? am I right? 03:36 soft_libre Yep! 03:36 soft_libre Sorry, spanish translation of LoL XD 03:36 Nana10 you'd should see my proud under lip :3 03:36 Nana10 finally success 03:36 soft_libre well, a "lol" not so Loud :-P 03:37 soft_libre I want that app!!! Laby seems interesting... 03:37 Nana10 pls no troll, need to learn 03:37 soft_libre but cannot download :-P 03:38 soft_libre can you share your code in some way? 03:38 soft_libre (if you want to, of course) 03:39 Nana10 if'd share my code from laby if I'd had finish the last level 03:40 Nana10 meh, I'll come back 03:40 soft_libre ahh... why? 03:40 Nana10 and I do not take man-hormones 03:40 soft_libre ? 03:40 Nana10 dunno, the game is cool 03:40 Nana10 and there is still a good fan-base 03:40 soft_libre jaja :D yep, gnurobots was cool and that one seems cool too! 03:41 soft_libre (but with better graphics!!!) 03:41 Nana10 I mean this is irc and there are SO many people. never expected that! so I'll come more often, and if the community is good, I'll stay 03:42 Nana10 I mean, threre are like 1-9001 enines out there. I like the good ones 03:42 Nana10 graphics bother me not 03:43 Nana10 I like people because of the game and it's possibilities, and not because of it's grapics 03:43 soft_libre no, but I'm think of other people... for teaching python or other languages 03:43 Nana10 btw MT is so ugly omg xD 03:43 Nana10 and I like it 03:43 sloantothebone Ugly? 03:45 Nana10 ugly.. genious? what do you make out of this sandbox? 03:45 soft_libre oh! I think I found Laby source code... 03:45 soft_libre https://github.com/sgimenez/laby 03:45 soft_libre Open Source said on Ubuntu Apps??? It is GPL v3 03:45 Nana10 ok soft_libre. you've got me 03:46 Nana10 never clicked on one of this urls 03:46 Nana10 but now I'll have to 03:46 soft_libre :) 03:47 soft_libre that's strange, is written in OCaml... never programmed on that language... 03:48 Nana10 so...... the creepers in mc, attacking straight, so and the spiders are similar, are the mt-"enemies" same in function and/or *bility? 03:48 Nana10 cliecked on github-url's yes, clicked on the links there- no. that's what I've meant 03:49 soft_libre what a strange language OCaml is! 03:50 Nana10 whatusaid dot org? 03:50 soft_libre seems funcitonal language... 03:50 Nana10 I'll take it as a yes 03:51 Nana10 omg I'm too dumb for imperative ;_; 03:51 Nana10 I'd like to choose but not to conquer 03:52 soft_libre well... functional language is another paradigm, you shouldn't try that because is a bit more complicated at first... at least for programmers... 03:53 soft_libre for mathematitians, well.... maybe is a better paradigm than imperative... 03:53 soft_libre But, keep with Python! 03:53 Nana10 wow, no offense but.. fuk u xD 03:54 Nana10 I really have nor of that clue :( 03:54 Nana10 I'd say I like you because of your knowing, but that'd be a llie, because: I dunno what ur code does :3 03:54 soft_libre that's good... no need to fuck anyone... 03:54 soft_libre XD 03:55 Nana10 though: thank you a lot for your time: I swear: I'll put that into all my programs 03:55 soft_libre well, let me understand, you're learning programming... 03:56 soft_libre and you started with Python3, that's a good start! 03:56 Nana10 yes 03:56 soft_libre You used Laby for starting, and that's very good, you need motivation at first... 03:56 soft_libre the next step is try Python3 by its interpreter... 03:57 Nana10 lol laby is like: "you do, it work kek" 03:57 soft_libre (download Python3 through the oficial web) 03:57 Nana10 nah, I need the cold water 03:57 Nana10 I want the heavy shit 03:57 soft_libre well, programming is like "computer, do what I say"... 03:57 soft_libre if you programm in Python, the computer usually answer you "fine" 03:58 Nana10 the: why do you throw this shit in the ram when you could bridge the a-b-c- (some hardwarelanguagehere)- instead 03:58 soft_libre if you use C, C++, Lisp, others, the computer usually will answer: "no way! go to the sh****" 03:58 Nana10 that's where I wanna go 03:59 soft_libre don't get it... 03:59 Nana10 the bot, sure, I am fail at. but I can program the bot in the senseless time, when other people smoke or so. then... I want to learn how to manipulate engines 03:59 soft_libre (I mean, I don't get this: "the: why do you throw this shit in the ram when you...") 04:00 soft_libre the thing is that engines are more complicated... but if you like, just read the minetest source code 04:00 soft_libre Minetest use Irrlicht as the graphic and "environmental" engine 04:00 Nana10 I've had heard, hat the language before the language is like the parent language... lol maybe that makes sense? 04:01 Nana10 the funny is that: 04:01 Nana10 I am german and the "Irrlicht" means "confused light" 04:01 soft_libre Irrlicht is a library written in C (or C++?) for loading graphics, creating cubes/spheres and loading 3D models 04:02 soft_libre also, it can manipulate light sources 04:02 Nana10 I've had read about it before, but c'mon. how do I manipulate it? Is it still the MC-engine? 04:02 soft_libre (where it came, light position, colour, etc.) 04:02 soft_libre Nop! it's not Minecraft 04:02 soft_libre Celeron77 created from scratch in C/C++ 04:02 Nana10 ok I understand (a bit) 04:03 soft_libre but he wanted to create something simmilar in image but using C not Java like MC. 04:03 soft_libre So, he had to program all starting from zero 04:03 Nana10 I've heard some german let's player, saying that the "map-building" is defined by an algorythm.. is that correct? 04:04 soft_libre (and then all the community helped) 04:04 soft_libre well, the game itself is an algorythm... 04:04 soft_libre but yes, the map generation is an algorythm too 04:04 Nana10 ok thx for understand my noob words ! 04:04 soft_libre that means, in simple words, it's a program that create the world: 04:05 soft_libre the program tells where the block of snad should go, and a block of dirt, and a block of ... 04:05 Nana10 is that the called "sandbox"? 04:05 soft_libre *and 04:05 soft_libre nop... sandbox is a style of game where you can do "whatever you want" in some sense of saying 04:06 soft_libre it means, that you have some freedom and you don't have a straight line to follow... 04:06 Nana10 do you manipulate the code of MT? 04:06 soft_libre Here is the definition, maybe Wikipedia can tell you better than me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game 04:07 soft_libre nop, I just programmed some mods 04:07 Nana10 cool, thx, that helps me too ofc!" 04:07 soft_libre (but none used on Minetest itself, you have to install for testing. Neither their are famous :-( ) 04:07 Nana10 -" 04:07 soft_libre *they 04:08 soft_libre but that is a start right? 04:08 soft_libre :-P 04:09 Nana10 all that information is a start, more that I'd except! 04:09 soft_libre :) 04:09 Nana10 I am really happy to get this information from you and very happ 04:09 Nana10 y about it 04:09 y me too 04:10 soft_libre jajaja :D there is someone called "y" XD jajaja 04:10 soft_libre (or is a bot? ) 04:10 y very funny 04:10 y I wish I was a bot 04:10 soft_libre ? 04:10 soft_libre seems a human 04:10 y I am not sure 04:10 y lemme check 04:10 soft_libre or at least get the Turing test through! 04:10 Nana10 you make me happy 04:10 soft_libre XD jajaja :D 04:10 * y presses his belly 04:11 y yup, human 04:11 soft_libre how do you know I'm human? XD 04:11 Nana10 scam on mt? pls no ;_; 04:12 y I don't 04:12 soft_libre the first thing a bot will say: "I'm not a human!" XD jajajaja :D 04:12 y your XD jajajaj :D are creepy 04:12 y yours* 04:12 soft_libre XD jajajaj :D 04:12 diemartin no, "your" 04:12 soft_libre Well... translating... 04:12 * diemartin hugs y 04:12 Nana10 I meet so nice people, those've said: bleedy noob! go further. here some info. and if you fuck up: you're an ass 04:12 soft_libre XD lol :D 04:13 y 03:52:52 soft_libre | well... functional language is another paradigm, you shouldn't try that because is a bit more complicated at first... at least for programmers... 04:13 * y hugs diemartin 04:13 y I am no mathematician 04:13 y and I like Haskell 04:13 y which is, indeed, a functional language 04:14 soft_libre Ohhhhh!!! If you're a bot... you're wise! 04:14 soft_libre and if you're human... 04:14 y at best, I am a lazy programmer 04:14 soft_libre you're wise!!! 04:14 soft_libre Haskell, I love that language 04:14 Nana10 soft_libre: omg I feel you so much 04:14 y I love you too 04:14 soft_libre ? 04:14 soft_libre should I run? 04:14 Nana10 y y love me 04:15 Nana10 no bot, or good bot 04:15 * y u highlight? 04:15 y soft_libre: not really 04:15 soft_libre jajaja :D 04:15 soft_libre sorry: lol :D 04:15 Nana10 well.. I suck at programing :( 04:15 y so do I 04:15 Nana10 so.. thank you all for the urls 04:15 y that's why FP is amazing 04:16 Nana10 I really apprechiate it, you've given me stuff I hoped for 04:16 Nana10 thx a lot! 04:16 soft_libre Nana10: we all started programming like you... you just have to try and read 04:17 technomancy ooooh an ocaml game 04:17 * technomancy makes grabby hands 04:17 soft_libre sonner or later you'll be a good programmer... you just have to keep going... keep reading and programming 04:17 * y hands technomancy ocaml_to_js 04:18 y now you can run it on your browser! 04:18 y hurray for JS! 04:18 soft_libre what? ocaml_to_Js??? 04:18 y the programming language that makes programming seem more difficult than what it actually is!] 04:18 Nana10 y u are mean, c'mon, soft_libre is helping me really out! 04:18 y soft_libre: a compiler from OCaml to JS 04:19 soft_libre yes yes.... y that's something interesting... 04:19 Nana10 he's someone I will be, when I know enough 04:19 soft_libre I can show that game to other people! 04:19 soft_libre me? 04:19 Nana10 then I'll be the one, helping the newfags 04:19 soft_libre are you sure??? Nana10 04:19 y I don't know what you are talking about 04:20 Nana10 I hope u aren't a troll soft_libre 04:20 soft_libre nop.... 04:20 Nana10 so, yes, I am sure 04:20 soft_libre Lol XD 04:20 soft_libre just ask your questions Nana10 :-) 04:21 Nana10 let me whine and noob around! the end of the matter is that I am the noob you can laugh about when you give me "easy jobs" and I'm think about for years to solve them meeh 04:23 soft_libre Nana10: just stop leting you down! just learn and program! 04:23 soft_libre and, stop saying yourself "noob"... just getting tired of it! 04:26 soft_libre Ahh... here... https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Python_Programming 04:26 Nana10 soft_libre: I apprechiate that, but I know what I am can and I can't: and I can't program. Just knowing the for and while 8's isn't programming. when I need the bot? I need a world! why "concor"[fail english here] a man if I can program the world? 04:27 Nana10 yep, prited all out. it took me 30 minutes to print it all 04:27 soft_libre lol :-) well, that's a start 04:27 Nana10 now I have a java book and a python "book" 04:27 soft_libre well, there is conditionals and iterative instructions... 04:27 Nana10 anyways it's almost the same 04:28 Nana10 so.. if I want to manipulate a game... first I start.. that sandbox, don't I? 04:28 soft_libre for/while/if there are assignment, functions and procedures (wait, Python only have functions, right?) data structures, etc... 04:29 soft_libre nop, sandbox is a term for refering a type of games 04:29 Nana10 I say so: all this theoretical stuff I need to test to work. then I believe in it. And no, I am not an Atheist! 04:30 Nana10 ok I've read what I've wrote... here the beta: xD 04:31 Nana10 I need.. necessairy! to make mistakes and anything to know how it works 04:31 Nana10 *necessairiy 04:31 soft_libre if you want to modify the game, Minetest in this case, you have two possibilities: 04:31 soft_libre 1. to create a mod that adds things (or modify an existent mod to change it behaviour) 04:32 soft_libre 2. to modify the engine, the big huge engine, that changes the base part of the game: graphics, sounds, etc. 04:33 soft_libre for (1), you need to learn Lua. If you already know Python, then it will became a bit easier. 04:34 soft_libre for (2).... well... it will get veeeeryyyy harder... and sometimes unnecessary... 04:34 Nana10 1st of all: that is exactly the info I need. 2nd: OldCoder: hates be now because I know that bot runnin' it's kind of annoying to teach dem noobs shiat 04:34 Nana10 soft_libre: easier than python? lol 04:35 Nana10 ok I am a really noob-fag programmer 04:35 soft_libre Lua? is an interpreted language like python... 04:35 soft_libre and has a lot of things easy to learn... 04:35 soft_libre it may be easier to learn than python... 04:35 Nana10 but, easier then python? is this like CAD or even level-editoring? 04:36 soft_libre naahh... 04:36 soft_libre a bit easier... not so much! :-P 04:36 soft_libre you'll have to write code! :-P 04:36 Nana10 yes, I want that 04:36 Nana10 but I need someone to write for 04:37 Nana10 so I am very happy MT has this huge irc-community 04:37 Nana10 so.. and the code speaks what? 04:38 Nana10 I hope c# 04:38 Nana10 but tell me the truth!!! 04:38 soft_libre code speaks? what what??? 04:38 Nana10 pls 04:38 soft_libre don't get you Nana10 04:38 Nana10 I have the url, burt meanwhile I've really got drunk lel 04:38 soft_libre I searching for the minetest wiki 04:39 Nana10 wiki.mintest.net 04:39 soft_libre http://dev.minetest.net/Main_Page 04:39 Nana10 no 04:39 Nana10 http://wiki.minetest.net/ 04:39 soft_libre let see... 04:40 soft_libre nop.. that one is for users 04:40 Nana10 kek! I make wiki link to browser without ctrl+c+ctrl+v kekek 04:40 Nana10 wow, that's the one I am reading at 04:40 soft_libre http://dev.minetest.net/Main_Page is for developers 04:41 Nana10 oh ok, I shut up 04:41 soft_libre if you want to create a mod, you have to go to the http://dev.minetest.net 04:41 Nana10 thx for the url 04:42 Nana10 if I'd wanna create a mod I#d should first know how to update this shiat ;_; 04:42 soft_libre well, that link you can find it on the main site and on the same wiki you gave me... it says there "Developer Wiki" 04:42 soft_libre what version do you have? 04:42 Nana10 under 1 lol 04:42 Nana10 dunno now 04:43 soft_libre 0.4.12 I think is the last one 04:43 Nana10 0.3.1 or so 04:43 Nana10 yes 04:43 Nana10 I know 04:43 soft_libre ahh.... yep you have to update :-P 04:43 soft_libre what operative system? Windows or GNU/Linux? 04:43 soft_libre (or Mac?) 04:43 Nana10 wow, I'd never thougt 'bout that /irony 04:43 Nana10 gnu/linux 04:44 Nana10 tried it in a german channel 04:44 Nana10 the people had some really good choices, but nothing helped 04:44 soft_libre Which distro? Ubuntu? 04:44 Nana10 debian 04:45 Nana10 with ubuntu - no problem 04:45 soft_libre jaja My web browser freezes! XD 04:45 Nana10 wanna root acess here? 04:45 soft_libre no way! noooo... you and only you keep your root access!!! 04:46 sofar I'll take root access 04:46 soft_libre never give your root passwork 04:46 Nana10 meh, ok. thx 04:46 Nana10 lol sofar 04:46 soft_libre *password! 04:47 Nana10 sofar you're like sleep sleep sleep zzZ blablka . password? passWORD!!!! >:]} 04:47 soft_libre I think doing sudo apt-get install minetest on the terminal 04:47 soft_libre is enough to install it 04:48 Nana10 all the common things I've tried out ofc! 04:48 soft_libre ("sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade minetest" will update it I think) 04:48 Nana10 I'm noob but I'm not dumb 04:48 Nana10 aaaaaaal tried 04:48 soft_libre sorry... never wanted to mean that 04:49 soft_libre well, for debian "sid" the minetest version is 0.4.12 04:49 Nana10 the ower of this pc, has deleted the links I've set to get the latest minetest version 04:49 soft_libre this link? https://packages.debian.org/sid/minetest 04:49 Nana10 well I really suck wich linux ;_; 04:49 Nana10 yes, this link! 04:49 Nana10 I recognize it, even without clicking 04:50 Nana10 this is it 04:50 soft_libre check if your debian is sid, wheezy, jessie or stretch 04:50 soft_libre (upper-right corner of the web you have links for that debian versions) 04:51 Nana10 I know how to open the console but... how to make the cli ask... no idea ;_; 04:51 Nana10 ask*answer 04:51 soft_libre you'll find a file at /etc/debian or /etc/debian_version with the version name 04:51 soft_libre what "cli" means? 04:51 Nana10 comand line interpreter kek 04:51 Nana10 -kek 04:52 soft_libre ah! that cli 04:52 AnotherBrick command line interface 04:52 Nana10 ok brick 04:52 technomancy interface, not interpreter 04:52 VanessaE FreeFull: *poke* 04:52 soft_libre thanks 04:52 Nana10 even vanessa is on ;_; 04:53 FreeFull VanessaE: Heya 04:53 Nana10 I've seen you on the forums 04:53 FreeFull Was about to go sleep 04:53 VanessaE FreeFull: don't. 04:53 VanessaE FreeFull: I need your help :) 04:53 FreeFull VanessaE: How can I help? 04:53 VanessaE I deleted your player file from VE-V and rolled back to an earlier commit. can you try again please? 04:53 Nana10 honor or troll? 04:54 VanessaE repeat the exact same actions you did before to get the inventory to go wonky 04:54 soft_libre Nana10: No trolling... 04:54 VanessaE Nana10: it's an honor, I hope :P 04:54 FreeFull VanessaE: Ok 04:54 Nana10 this is her? 04:54 VanessaE this is me, Nana10. 04:54 VanessaE the one and only. 04:54 soft_libre lol :-P 04:54 FreeFull VanessaE: I'm wondering if it's tied to unified_inventory somehow 04:55 VanessaE FreeFull: I don't see how 04:55 VanessaE I can't reproduce it in singleplayer 04:56 soft_libre Nana10: well... can you install the new Minetest without compiling and doing all that messy cmake -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 make cd bin/ ./minetest thing? 04:56 soft_libre Nana10: if you can install without compiling would be great! 04:56 FreeFull VanessaE: I first noticed the wonkiness when I tried to craft something using the All button in the recipe menu 04:56 Nana10 I've never tried it to compile 04:56 soft_libre Nana10: thanksfuly! :-) 04:57 VanessaE the all button?? 04:57 VanessaE hm 04:57 * VanessaE tries.. 04:57 Nana10 I know, that it's so easy anyone'd laugh at me. But I know also that I can't.. can't... can ;_; 04:58 soft_libre Nana10: Easy to compile you mean? it depends on your operative system... 04:58 FreeFull VanessaE: Some people said they lost some minebucks from their inventories 04:58 soft_libre Nana10: and the things (and libraries) you have installed 04:58 VanessaE FreeFull: well I only saw two corrupted files - yours and Carlh 04:58 Nana10 I've compiled teamspeak2 like 4 or 5 years ago, but anythings else... not really 04:58 technomancy Nana10: you can't compile it, but you've never tried? 04:59 Nana10 soft_libre: that is what I need: what does MT need to run 04:59 Nana10 in the newest version ofc! 05:00 soft_libre mmm... lot of thing Nana10... 05:00 FreeFull VanessaE: I logged into the wrong server >_< 05:00 technomancy Nana10: I told you twice already: `apt-get build-dep minetest` 05:00 VanessaE FreeFull: hm, no, doesn't seem to be the crafting guide doing it 05:00 Nana10 3xm is not that I wanna read lol 05:00 soft_libre Nana10: they're listed at the "Other Packages Related to minetest" at the page I gave you before 05:00 FreeFull VanessaE: What about crafting wet cement? 05:01 Nana10 soft, if you want, you'd get some access 05:01 FreeFull VanessaE: I see by rolled back you mean completely got rid of everything 05:01 Nana10 I'd really hate you if it'd be easy 05:01 soft_libre no, thanks Nana10... 05:01 Nana10 >sof 05:02 soft_libre you and only you have to know the root access... 05:02 soft_libre (or your access :-P ) 05:02 soft_libre I don't want to see your documents and personal stuff... 05:02 Nana10 huh? 05:02 FreeFull VanessaE: If I take items out of my chest now, will I lose them when you restore my previous items? 05:03 VanessaE FreeFull: don't do anything right now 05:03 VanessaE because I may have to clear it again if it happens again 05:03 FreeFull VanessaE: Ok 05:03 Nana10 the user won't really do crazy stuff with this hardware [I won't also, this hardware is so crap or maybe the only 1 not k33pt by Nzz4" an stuff 05:03 VanessaE I'll just /give you whatever you lost to the bug 05:04 VanessaE ok trying to craft "All" of wet cement has no effect either. 05:04 VanessaE at least in singleplayer 05:04 FreeFull VanessaE: I don't have what I had memorised, I hope you know what I had 05:04 soft_libre Nana10 I'm sorry but I can't... 05:04 Nana10 but I swear that this pc is fkn hard to manage ;_; 05:04 FreeFull I don't know if the bug is reproducible outside of your server 05:05 soft_libre Nana10: And I don't have any debian machine near to help you better.... :-/ 05:05 Nana10 the problem is another 05:05 Nana10 this night 05:05 FreeFull VanessaE: So, you don't have the previous contents of the inventory saved? D: 05:06 VanessaE no, sorry' 05:06 VanessaE didn't think to save it 05:06 FreeFull ): 05:06 FreeFull My memory isn't that good! 05:06 VanessaE sorry :( 05:06 Nana10 I tried to install xp pro and home. have 3 keys. all given ofc. 1 dvd- original key. nothing works 05:06 Nana10 bluescreen 05:06 Nana10 no usb to mobile meh 05:07 Nana10 this hw is sick 05:07 Nana10 no win7, no winxxp, no mint, nothing 05:08 Nana10 I'd install debian like 2 times. not it works 05:08 Nana10 if I do "sudo", then no "sudoers file" is given. sum buddy told me how to fix it 05:09 FreeFull VanessaE: I had a mese pickaxe, mese axe, mese shovel, I think 10 mese crystals, empty bucket, 70 or so basalt, 19 wet cement, some amount of pine wood/pine logs I don't remember, and other stuff 05:09 Nana10 I fixed it. installed this os (debian) on my friends pc, no sudoers file again (my friend isn't on nope ;;) 05:09 soft_libre Nana10: ahh... you used "su" 05:10 Nana10 won't try: not in the sudoers file 05:10 Nana10 I can just guess 05:10 Nana10 I say I'm noob 05:10 soft_libre ahh... no, you are in a user without privileges... 05:10 Nana10 either I'd sudo the sh!T out of this OS 05:10 soft_libre but using "su" will change to the root user 05:11 soft_libre ("su" is not "sudo" :-) ) 05:11 FreeFull VanessaE: Actually, I probably didn't have any pine logs left at that point 05:11 Nana10 I can start the gnome terminal with "nothing" 05:11 Nana10 and the root one 05:11 FreeFull What I'm wondering about is what happened to the lava I was using to make basalt 05:11 Nana10 with everything 05:11 soft_libre well, you need root privileges... 05:12 soft_libre (you need to enter as the user root) 05:12 Nana10 in 1..... ONE ... profile... like "windows"'d gonna define :32 05:12 FreeFull VanessaE: I must have at some point destroyed lava in a way that I didn't even notice 05:12 VanessaE FreeFull: please keep trying to reproduce the bug 05:12 VanessaE so far nothing unusual is showing in your player file 05:12 FreeFull Yeah, I'll try 05:13 FreeFull VanessaE: Can I have some gravel, temporarily?? 05:13 soft_libre Nana10: if you have root privs, you can update minetest using apt-get... but if you don't have root privs you can do nothing... :-( 05:14 VanessaE FreeFull: done. 05:14 soft_libre Nana10: (or at least you can compile minetest) 05:14 FreeFull VanessaE: Anything? 05:14 VanessaE FreeFull: bupkis. 05:15 soft_libre Nana10: The problem is that the computer owner don't let you update because he/she doesn't give you privileges for doing so... 05:15 FreeFull VanessaE: I got it to happen in my crafting grid 05:15 soft_libre and for compiling, install or update you need to install some things... 05:16 Nana10 soft_libre: yes, that's my last hope. AND: I will do that, but: how do I own this 4 pieces or hw? mb, gfx, cpu, and the damn ram? 05:16 VanessaE FreeFull: just now?? 05:16 FreeFull VanessaE: I tried to craft pavement again using the All button with the alternate recipe 05:16 Nana10 well, need sum libraries, I guess 05:16 Nana10 what does minetest need? 05:17 VanessaE FreeFull: ok 05:17 Nana10 the "cutie" is installed 05:17 FreeFull VanessaE: By the way, I had around 13 10-minegeld notes in my inventory before you erased it 05:17 soft_libre Irrlicht first: you need to install libirrlicht 05:17 VanessaE Ah I see the glitch in your inv now 05:18 Nana10 she's like scraching her head and sleeping and tomorrow she'll be like "no new version, you're a bad admin meh" ;_; 05:18 FreeFull VanessaE: Before I tried to make the pavement I made a bunch of wet cement, I don't know if that's relevant 05:19 soft_libre Ah! here are some good instructions... https://github.com/minetest/minetest 05:19 soft_libre Scroll down at the section "Compiling on GNU/Linux" 05:19 soft_libre ah... you'll need "sudo" :-/ 05:19 soft_libre (if you have root access, you don't need sudo, just type everything without that word) 05:20 VanessaE FreeFull: so you clicked craft guide ("?" button), clicked pavement, then the "All" button under "to craft grid"? 05:20 Nana10 ok installed the "irrlicht", if you'd be germand and you played gothic2, you'd fear the damn irrlicht's 05:20 Nana10 I am logged in with the root terminal 05:20 soft_libre oh thanksfully! 05:20 FreeFull VanessaE: Clicked the Alternate button before I clicked All 05:20 VanessaE right 05:21 soft_libre sorry for flooding a bit guys! Nana10 , execute this: 05:21 soft_libre apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libfreetype6-dev zlib1g-dev libgmp-dev libjsoncpp-dev 05:21 VanessaE FreeFull: I can't reproduce it in singleplayer 05:21 soft_libre lol, I though it was larger... 05:22 FreeFull VanessaE: I wonder if it's a red herring 05:22 Nana10 wow, it does something! 05:22 soft_libre yep, it install dependencies for compiling :-P 05:22 Nana10 what is this irrlicht? 05:22 FreeFull VanessaE: How about you craft a piece of wet cement with just one bit of gravel, so that spot is left empty after the crafting? 05:22 soft_libre is the graphic-light-3D engine 05:22 Nana10 I read fakeroot 05:22 soft_libre ? 05:22 Nana10 pls it's legit 05:22 soft_libre where? 05:23 Nana10 where? 05:23 soft_libre well, I copied that from the github minetest page 05:23 Nana10 I can post the pastebin here 05:23 soft_libre https://github.com/minetest/minetest 05:23 Nana10 when I read fakeroot I get a bit beasty 05:24 Nana10 maybe it's the person who's programed this thingy and 8/10 trolling+# 05:25 soft_libre ? still don't get it... where says fakeroot? at the terminal? 05:29 soft_libre well, I found a program called fakeroot 05:29 Nana10 ok I just get a mega: fkn pastbin is fudk up I hate it 05:29 Nana10 I'm not a damn bot 05:29 Nana10 neither tor outexit or other damn stuff 05:30 Nana10 pastebin and ssl aren't friends, are they? 05:30 soft_libre well, manpage says something like this: runs a command in an environment wherein it appears to have root privileges... 05:30 Nana10 is there other, non jew shit, where I can post the code on? 05:31 Nana10 all my plugins are off 05:31 FreeFull VanessaE: Any luck? 05:31 VanessaE FreeFull: no. there's one inventory-related var in UI that's marked as global though, might be related. 05:31 VanessaE local-ized that 05:31 VanessaE checking for other bugs 05:31 Nana10 javascript:anabled=? yes!!! 05:31 soft_libre pastebin.com ? 05:32 Nana10 and this "distro" is leet? 05:32 Nana10 and this "distro" is leet? 05:32 Nana10 yes, debian, is really buggy, is this normal? 05:33 sofar yes 05:33 FreeFull VanessaE: You can clear my inventory again and I'll try reproducing it again. Just give me a bucket, gravel, and basalt 05:33 Nana10 so, I need the right libraries, to get it my way...? 05:33 soft_libre for compiling, yes.... 05:34 soft_libre but, if you're using fakeroot... I think you'll get nowhere... 05:34 Nana10 what is a fakeroot? 05:34 soft_libre fakeroot is a program that makes your terminal appears like a root terminal 05:34 Nana10 I won't gonna damge anybody lol 05:34 Nana10 cmon 05:34 soft_libre I'm installing right now to see how it works 05:35 Nana10 I gues I could write that shit but I want to mod some games to see children laugh, and maybe to see some chat people laugh 05:35 Nana10 sorry for swearing 05:36 Nana10 kek in germany it's called swearing, too 05:36 Nana10 just otherwise transpelled 05:37 Nana10 well, I guess I use the fakeroot" app" 05:38 soft_libre well, fakeroot only write "root@machine" and that's all... 05:39 soft_libre it doesn't give you root privileges, just that 05:39 soft_libre logout, start a terminal, execute "su" and write the password 05:39 soft_libre "su" doesn't require the sudoers file 05:39 Nana10 funny is, that I've talked about "that" vanessa, and then the user is asleep (ofc) and I'm like "shiiiiat, how to get it go?", and she's like "kek here I am" - I wish the pc user would apprechiate that. and hurtrrrrr ok later more iks dee 05:40 VanessaE huh? 05:40 Nana10 soft_libre: I guess you're wrong 05:40 FreeFull VanessaE: It's 6:40am, I need sleep 05:41 VanessaE ok 05:41 VanessaE meanwhile I can't reproduce it at all 05:41 Nana10 I've had some cmd's working out 05:41 VanessaE locally that is 05:42 Nana10 I really doen't know this OS well, but I know abiiiiiiit (6/100) how to treat it :3 05:42 soft_libre nop... fakeroot simmulate the chmod, stat, whoami, and other commands to show that "works" like in root 05:42 Nana10 navigate, ok. aaaaaaand. that's it 05:43 soft_libre but really does nothing 05:43 Nana10 root "can" everything 05:43 soft_libre but fakeroot fake your terminal 05:43 soft_libre it shows "root" but really you don't have root privs 05:43 Nana10 is fakeroot a program? 05:44 FreeFull VanessaE: Did you try my suggestion with wet cement, where you craft it until the gravel gets completely used up? 05:44 VanessaE yes 05:44 soft_libre yes, fakeroot start a new terminal session 05:44 soft_libre and shows you as "root", but really you're still a user 05:44 Nana10 I am noob, but I won't start programs I dunno sorry 05:44 soft_libre is a faked root session 05:45 soft_libre ? 05:45 Nana10 you say no to orca but yes rto fakeroot? 05:45 soft_libre just execute "man fakeroot" to see the manual page 05:46 soft_libre fakeroot won't help you, you need root access via "su" or "sudo" 05:46 soft_libre or have your username listed at the sudoers file 05:46 Nana10 yes, the noob can do the terminal 05:46 soft_libre for installing things 05:46 Nana10 ok I start it 05:46 Nana10 this is nort my pc pls behave 05:47 Nana10 no zombie nothing pls 05:47 VanessaE FreeFull: ah HAH! 05:47 VanessaE FreeFull: reproduced it in singleplayer 05:47 * soft_libre is calmed :-P 05:47 * soft_libre is going to sleep soon 05:47 Nana10 dem tongue is not enough 05:48 Nana10 I really apprechiate all the good master tips but it's anyways not my opc 05:48 FreeFull VanessaE: wet cement? 05:48 Nana10 pc 05:48 VanessaE FreeFull: yes 05:48 Nana10 no fooken worms pl0c 05:48 Nana10 pl0x 05:49 VanessaE had a bunch of buckets of water in my inv, and two gravel. crafted "All" of wet cement 05:49 soft_libre ? 05:49 Nana10 no buckets for me VanessaE 05:49 soft_libre VanessaE is talking to FreeFull 05:50 Nana10 soft_libre: you're my master anyways :P 05:50 FreeFull VanessaE: I don't think crafting all is necessary at all 05:50 Nana10 you talk it to me, I give it to you 05:50 FreeFull VanessaE: You can probably just do it with just one bucket of water and one piece of gravel 05:51 soft_libre ? 05:51 soft_libre well, I should go to sleep... too late here... 05:52 soft_libre sorry Nana10, I can do anything else to help you... :-/ 05:52 Nana10 how can I add u as a friend, like in facebook? my favorite site... nooooooot. 05:52 Nana10 soft? 05:52 Nana10 I run empathy 05:52 soft_libre nah... you'll find me chating around here... 05:53 Nana10 ok. thank you for all! 05:53 soft_libre I'm not faced... no Facebook account... 05:53 soft_libre :) bye to all! :-) 05:53 Nana10 lol no facebook thx xD irc > fb an so.. thx for all the chat mate! you've helped me o0ut alotz 05:54 Nana10 gn8! 05:54 soft_libre need some sleep :-) 05:54 soft_libre see you! :) 05:54 Nana10 I go too, but bee right back bee. :3 n8 all, hf , gl 06:12 VanessaE FreeFull: I can reproduce the bug reliably in singleplayer, WITHOUT Unified Inventory 06:12 OldCoder 1st of all: that is exactly the info I need. 2nd: OldCoder: hates be now because I know that bot runnin' it's kind of annoying to teach dem noobs shiat 06:12 OldCoder Um... What? 06:13 FreeFull VanessaE: With just gloopblocks? 06:16 VanessaE FreeFull: yep 06:16 VanessaE now I'll try to reproduce it without any mods 06:18 VanessaE FreeFull: can you think of a default recipe that involves a "replacement" item? 06:19 VanessaE (as the bucket of water does in the cement recipe) 06:19 FreeFull VanessaE: Can't think of one, sorry 06:25 VanessaE confirmed. I can reproduce it reliably without any mods other than gloopblocks, and I'm pretty sure the problem isn't there 06:27 FreeFull VanessaE: Yeah, gloopblocks just happens to have a recipe that triggers the real problem 06:28 VanessaE right 06:28 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2877 08:25 MyTeke_ChrisWMas LOL, I fell asleep while on the IRC.. WOW.. 09:31 crazyR MyTeke_ChrisWMas ive had cuddles with my keyboard a few times before now too :P 10:44 TheWild wtf? what the hell is the point of requiring specifically RED and WHITE wool to craft a bed? 12:37 TheWild are shaped crafting rules prioritized over shapeless ones? 12:38 est31 ermm lemme think 12:38 est31 no, they arent 12:38 TheWild specifically means: do I have to avoid conflicts shaped vs shapeless? 12:38 TheWild hmmm... not good 12:38 est31 there are some prioritisations done 12:39 est31 the first is by grouped vs non grouped 12:39 est31 when you have two matching recipes one with a group item, one without, the one without is chosen 12:39 est31 thats for sure 12:39 est31 the second prioritisation is by order 12:39 TheWild ^ yep, that's correct 12:40 est31 older recipes get overridden by newer ones 12:41 TheWild ones of narrower scope should be prioritized, so IMO shaped vs shapeless too 12:41 TheWild s/vs/over 12:53 TheWild guess, what does player:set_look_yaw(player:get_look_yaw()) 13:44 TheWild about #2850, minetest.conf.example currently looks like a long bunch of settings. If we want it more readable, having setting above its description and avoid others adding stuff wrong way (description above setting) 13:44 TheWild https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2850 (well, ShadowBot, where you are?) 13:45 TheWild ^ why not to separate settings with space? 13:45 TheWild umm... it's rather one empty line 14:28 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Craftdef: Use numbers instead of iterators 1396989e0 http://git.io/vqqQJ (152015-07-04T16:28:21+02:00) 14:28 MinetestBot 02[git] 04TeTpaAka -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix missing check for 0 in craft replacements 1387b9cda http://git.io/vqqQU (152015-07-04T14:33:49+02:00) 14:34 Jordach i hate the summer time, especially with 30+C temps 14:34 est31 34 for me 14:34 Calinou https://openstf.github.io/ 14:34 Jordach est31, http://jordach.net/Images/Screenshots/AMD.png 14:34 est31 the heat killed my ssd already 14:34 Calinou how? 14:34 Calinou my SSD isn't dying and it has been 36°C 14:35 est31 Calinou, its a samsung 840 evo 14:35 est31 thats how 14:35 Jordach i just have iron plates :P 14:41 TheWild my non-SSD jumped yesterday to 48°C 14:41 diemartin [11:34] (Jordach) i hate the summer time, especially with 30+C temps <-- want some 5C winter temps? 14:41 Jordach YES PLS 14:41 * twoelk is eating an ice while preparing a grill evening with his brother and kids 14:42 Jordach i could get my 12ft pool up and running 14:42 Jordach diemartin, my AMD APU would love it 14:42 Jordach i've reached ~5C during negative temps outside before 14:42 diemartin Heh 14:42 twoelk why should it run? is it afraid of you? 14:42 Jordach rendering on my GPU wouldn't even hit 30C 14:43 Jordach that's how cold it gets in the UK during winter 14:43 Jordach (Iceland or Greenland would be a better place) 14:44 Calinou twoelk, holidays here... 14:44 Calinou so I'm working on random stuff 14:44 Calinou like doing DTP 14:44 * Jordach high fives Calinou 14:44 Calinou using Scribus 14:44 Calinou (which I like way more than InDesign by the way) 14:44 Jordach i finished my course a few weeks ago :D 14:44 Calinou I'm also installing that stf thing 14:44 est31 stf? 14:44 Jordach [15:34:34] https://openstf.github.io/ 14:45 est31 ah 14:46 est31 I've thought you dont have to install, its web based 14:47 Jordach if it breaks 32C my tower is getting moved and will be decased 14:49 Calinou you do have to install it, you also need RethinkDB which needs to be compiled here 14:50 * twoelk wanders off into the glaring sun to hunt (the best bargain for) some meat to put on the grill 15:02 sloantothebone Hi 15:05 sloantothebone What is the mod called that allows the admin to select a skin for you? 15:05 Jordach player_textures 15:06 sloantothebone Thanks! 15:07 sloantothebone Do you think zeg9's skins mod could be improved to support private skins so that a player may have their own skin or even multiple skins? 15:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kilbith -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix attempt to start a world when no world is selected/created 13c53520a http://git.io/vqqhQ (152015-07-04T17:09:26+02:00) 15:47 TheWild after SQLite was introduced, MapBlock position (x,y,z) is coupled into single big integer as a primary key. 15:47 TheWild Is write-to-DB and read-from-DB only the operations where conversion is done? 15:48 TheWild s/Is/are 15:50 est31 why 15:50 est31 its used at other points too 15:50 est31 even by some mods 15:51 TheWild but I'm talking about pos = X + (Y << 12) + (Z << 24), not about the node index in a MapBlock 15:52 est31 well there is minetest.hash_node_position 15:55 TheWild ok, I've read the documentation and minetest.hash_node_position seems to be related to mapblock position in world. 15:56 TheWild but hey! minetest.has_node_position({x=0,y=0,z=0}) produces 1.4073963587174e+014 15:56 TheWild that's not ok 15:56 est31 perhaps its unrelated 15:58 sloantothebone Hi 15:59 sloantothebone I've been considering doing filming using a local server 16:00 TheWild found out that minetest.hash_node_position and minetest.get_position_from_hash are just having their own spec of hash, not related to what is stored to DB 16:00 sloantothebone and... I would like to know how to access my local server with another device like my tablet. Will "localhost" work or will I need to find the MAC or ipv6 address of my computer or something 16:01 est31 sloantothebone, localhost only works if its the same device 16:01 est31 otherwise you will need the ipv4 address 16:01 est31 minetest sorta works over ipv6 too 16:01 sloantothebone Okay how do I find the private ipv4 of my computer? 16:01 est31 but im not sure how exactly it works 16:01 est31 which os do you have 16:01 sloantothebone ubuntu 16:02 est31 you know how to start the console? 16:02 sloantothebone And android 16:02 sloantothebone Ya 16:02 Calinou ip addr 16:02 est31 or ifconfig 16:02 Calinou ifconfig is obsoelte 16:02 est31 then look for eth0 or wlan1 or so 16:02 Calinou some systems don't have it at all now 16:02 est31 ip addr isnt existent on many systems either 16:03 Calinou maybe on Windows 3.1 16:03 est31 err 16:03 est31 they have ipconfig no? 16:03 Calinou yeah 16:03 sloantothebone Ip addr and ifconfig both work 16:03 est31 the only valid command I guess is some NetworkManager thing 16:03 est31 with capital N 16:03 est31 because they are stupit 16:04 est31 d* 16:04 sloantothebone ... 16:04 sloantothebone They both worked and you say they are obsolete? 16:06 sloantothebone Thanks 16:07 est31 in future i guess you will only be abled to configure your system if you do some weird dbus org.freedesktop.something calls 16:07 est31 bye bye short unix commands 16:09 sloantothebone sounds like the dark ages 16:09 sloantothebone So ubuntu 14.04 is obsolete? 16:09 Calinou it is not 16:09 Calinou it's still supported until 2019-04 16:09 sloantothebone then why does both ip addr and ifconfig work 16:09 Calinou both ifconfig and ip addr work here on Debian testing (stretch) 16:10 Calinou but I think Fedora includes only ip addr 16:10 sloantothebone Your "but" looks bold to me 16:10 sloantothebone *but* 16:10 sloantothebone Hmm 16:10 sloantothebone that didnt do it 16:11 Calinou yes, it is bold :) 16:11 Calinou bold italic underline 16:11 Calinou (italic might only be visible on recent HexChat) 16:11 sloantothebone Nah I see it in kiwi irc 16:12 sloantothebone How did u do that 16:12 Calinou Ctrl+B/Ctrl+I/Ctrl+U respectively 16:12 Calinou (HexChat) 16:12 sloantothebone Oh 16:12 sloantothebone Umm 16:13 sloantothebone Would you mind doing that again? I wanna see what it looks like 16:14 sloantelnet Pweez? 16:14 sloantothebone Calinou ? 16:15 est31 BOLDITALICUNDERLINED 16:16 sloantothebone BOLDITALICUNDERLINED 16:16 sloantothebone Hmm 16:16 sloantothebone Thanks 16:16 sloantothebone Hmm imma close kiwi if hexchat will stay connected 16:18 sloantothebone Hi 16:19 sloantothebone Whats up? 16:54 Sokomine anyone got problems with firing up local singleplayer worlds? mine won't properly start anymore. the progress bar hangs at "creating server..." 16:54 Calinou I have a dedicated server with 1 CPU core, why is a latest Git self-built Minetest taking all the CPU for over 2 minutes now? 16:54 Calinou no output in the console 16:54 Calinou except "Using world specified by --worldname on the command line" 16:54 Calinou I'll try switching to 0.4.12 stable 16:56 Sokomine Calinou: maybe the same problem i've got? 16:56 Sokomine the cpu is used, but the progress bar hangs 16:56 Sokomine connecting to a running multiplayer server works fine 16:57 Calinou Minetest builds 10 times faster than HHVM :P 16:57 Sokomine did your server eventually come up, caliou? 16:57 Sokomine what's hhvm? 16:57 Calinou well the host is down 16:57 Calinou HipHop Virtual Machine, a PHP JIT interpreter 16:57 Calinou http://hhvm.com 16:57 Sokomine ah :-) 16:57 Calinou Sokomine, I'm not sure if I'll be able to get the world back :/ 16:58 Calinou either way this server has 1 CPU core, 1 GB RAM only 16:58 Sokomine Calinou: just due to that problem now? or in general? 16:58 est31 Sokomine, does it too say "ERROR[main]: Subgame specified in default_game [minetest] is invalid." 16:59 Sokomine no. doesn't say much at all. just hangs + heats up the cpu 16:59 sfan5 run it in gdb 16:59 sfan5 ^C it when it hangs 16:59 sfan5 and post what bt says 16:59 Calinou bt full 16:59 sfan5 bt full won't do anything for non-debug builds 17:00 Sokomine est31: such a missing-subgame-error might be a sideeffect of the work kilbith and i did. pulling the latest git ought to fix it. or just manually selecting a world 17:00 Sokomine how do i get a debug build? 17:00 sfan5 just do it with a release build first 17:00 est31 release builds have shitty backtraces 17:00 sfan5 shitty backtrace > no backtrace 17:01 Calinou there is no "make uninstall" for minetest? 17:01 Calinou how do I remove stray files of make install? 17:01 sfan5 !g cmake uninstall site:stackoverflow.com 17:01 MinetestBot sfan5: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24629881/uninstall-cmake-from-centos-to-install-it-with-yum 17:01 sfan5 pls 17:01 sfan5 !g cmake make uninstall site:stackoverflow.com 17:01 MinetestBot sfan5: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9680420/looking-for-a-cmake-clean-command-to-clear-up-cmake-output 17:02 sfan5 the fuck 17:02 sfan5 uh ok 17:02 sfan5 Calinou: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ#Can_I_do_.22make_uninstall.22_with_CMake.3F 17:02 sfan5 Xack: "xargs rm < install_manifest.txt" 17:03 sfan5 wat 17:03 Calinou whatever, I got it working 17:03 sfan5 Calinou: ^ 17:03 sfan5 Xack: <3 17:06 Sokomine sfan5: http://pastebin.com/B25qPZHn though i'm not sure if it help much. i let it run for a few minutes before hitting crtl-c 17:06 Sokomine it's current git 17:09 Sokomine does it help any? it's not a special debug build. just current git. if i shall recompile...? 17:16 FreeFull VanessaE: So, what if I encounter the bug again? 17:19 est31 make install is highly dangerous 17:19 est31 I hate it 17:19 est31 it helps you clutter up your system 17:20 est31 I really hope we have advancements in package managers, so that the OS filesystem can be mounted rp 17:20 est31 ro* 17:21 Sokomine well...anyway. how do we find out what's the problem with latest git? 17:21 Sokomine there have been reports from server owners who do seem to have quite a lot of problems lately as well 17:24 LazyJ Howdy, Sokomine ;) 17:25 LazyJ I just came in on the last bit... server owners/lot of problems... I'm assuming it isn't the problem of running out of coffee and cinnamon roll. 17:25 LazyJ What gremlins has Minetest spawned now? 17:28 Sokomine just don't update your copy to latest git yet, lazyj. there's a problem 17:28 LazyJ Something other than 65k of empty items? 17:28 Sokomine hard to tell what it is exactly. the bugs may be related, or may not 17:29 LazyJ Growing pains. 17:29 Sokomine hm, yes. crashes on oldcoders worlds. the empty items where on vanessas worlds. and now the server not firing up 17:29 Sokomine maybe it's related to the huge heat in parts of europe. hard to think if it's that hot 17:30 LazyJ So I've heard. 36C and hotter. Ouch. 17:30 Sokomine yes. even one degree more. and other people here suffer even more 17:31 Sokomine plus right now the humidity is very high. like a thunderstorm about to happen. but even if it comes, it may not bring much cool air 17:31 LazyJ We have a double whammy of heat and drought (though not as hot as your part of the world). 17:32 Sokomine we do have hot summers sometimes, but this is quite extreme 17:33 LazyJ Lay Minetest's code out on the side walk. Maybe the bugs will fry like eggs. 17:34 est31 if it were that simple 17:34 est31 already now its too hot for bugs in my CPU 17:35 est31 still I managed to create one 17:35 est31 a pretty big one 17:36 LazyJ Frustrating but part of the process. 17:36 Sokomine *g* 17:36 Sokomine i'm afraid bugs love heat 17:38 Sokomine hmm. if the pc would be standing outside on dirt, i wonder if ants would start to live under it, like they do below stones. guess they won't like the metal that much 17:45 FreeFull I lost my stuff because I wasn't sure on if chests are protected in protected areas, and didn't think to move my stuff in time 17:45 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix endless loop since grandparent commit 1364dc053 http://git.io/vqm25 (152015-07-04T19:43:46+02:00) 17:52 Calinou my Hunger Games server is up! 17:52 Calinou up to 16 players! new map! 17:52 MyTeke_ChrisWMas :P 17:52 Sokomine FreeFull: a locked chest ought to be save 17:52 Sokomine Calinou: with your old map? or is that another server? 17:56 y est31: you mean Nix? 17:56 FreeFull Sokomine: Yeah, the chest wasn't locked 17:57 LandMine sup peeps 17:57 LandMine OldCoder can i pm you? 17:57 FreeFull How good are the evil tools from gloopblocks? 17:57 est31 y?? 17:57 Sokomine FreeFull: always use locked chests :-) sometimes you can even craft bags to extend your inventory. those are fine as well. but else: first thing to get apart from wood is a steel ingot for your locked thest 17:57 y 17:20:26 est31 | I really hope we have advancements in package managers, so that the OS filesystem can be mounted rp 17:57 est31 ro 17:57 est31 was a typo 17:57 FreeFull Sokomine: I know how to make locked chests :) 17:58 y est31: if there's some powerful and simple package manager out there, it's Nix! 17:58 FreeFull Sokomine: I was just testing a bug with Vanessa and was using that chest as temporary storage 17:58 LandMine FreeFull Hi! 17:58 FreeFull Sokomine: The chest was actually put in place because I did want to share its contents with one other person earlier 17:58 LandMine i present my self i am LandMine :D 17:58 Sokomine FreeFull: aah. ok. then it probably was not so valuable an inventory 17:58 LandMine hi Sokomine long time no see 17:58 Sokomine hi landmine 17:58 FreeFull Sokomine: I used to play on c55's server 17:59 Sokomine c55's server...that's a long time ago. do you remember redcrabs server? 17:59 LandMine FreeFull doyou know who i am? 17:59 FreeFull Sokomine: 10 mese crystals were probably the most valuable thing in it (now I'm underground and mining for more mese) 17:59 FreeFull Sokomine: Yeah, I used to play on redcrab's too 17:59 FreeFull LandMine: I don't remember, sorry 18:00 LandMine then i have failed in my mission to become the most notorious 18:00 FreeFull Sokomine: The server I'm playing on doesn't have bags ): 18:00 Calinou Sokomine, another server 18:00 FreeFull Or morestairs 18:00 Sokomine ah, fine. redcrabs server still runs. if you want to connect to it with a recent build of mt (instead of an antique one), you need to clear your cache folder before connecting to redcrab. else you'll end up in a grey fog and can't move 18:00 est31 y seems interesting 18:01 LandMine Hi Jordach!!! 18:01 FreeFull How good are the evil tools from gloopblocks? 18:02 LandMine im unsure 18:05 TheWild #define MAP_BLOCKSIZE 16 - should I believe it was and it always be 16? 18:05 Calinou my hunger games server is mostly stable now, the spawn area was built 18:07 LandMine Hi Calinou long time no chat as well 18:07 VanessaE FreeFull: in theory, you won't. if you do, I'll roll the server back to where it is now and report it. 18:09 CWz what is mapblock side? 18:10 Sokomine FreeFull: very fast but not at all durable 18:10 FreeFull VanessaE: Ok 18:10 FreeFull Sokomine: Good to know, I'll stick to mese or diamond then 18:10 sfan5 Sokomine: you forgot the "bt" also a debug build would really be better 18:11 Sokomine sfan5: can you explain how to create a debug build and use "bt"? might be helpful for further bug reports. this particular bug has been repaired now 18:12 sfan5 Sokomine: for a debug build you just run cmake but with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug (i think it was that one) and for "bt" when it shows "(gdb)" after you ^C'd the program just type "bt" 18:12 Sokomine adding such explanations to mt's documentation might also help. though i'm not sure where it might best be placed. a link thrown at people who come up with a problem and want to report a bug might help as well 18:12 Sokomine aah. for backtrack? ok 18:15 sfan5 backtrace* 18:17 Sokomine er, yes. it's too hot to think i'm afraid 18:17 Sokomine please invent rain in mt soon :-) 18:18 Krock Sokomine, there are already sknow biomes 18:18 Krock *snow 18:19 FreeFull VanessaE: I wish your server had locked furnaces 18:20 Sokomine yes...feels like i'm in desperate need for a snow biome! 18:20 * Sokomine heads there and builds an iglu 18:20 * Sokomine watches as the iglu is burned down by the sun almost immediately 18:21 VanessaE FreeFull: yeah, minetest_game needs something like that for sure. 18:23 Sokomine er, i thought it does? the content of furnaces in mtg ought to be protected if the furnace is in protected land? 18:24 VanessaE afaik it doesn't have a locked furnace (but a locked chest, yes) 18:24 VanessaE I forget which mod supplies it but dreambuilder has them 18:24 VanessaE (probably due to technic) 18:25 Sokomine it does have code so that metadata_inventory_* for the default furnace works only if the player can build in that place 18:25 Sokomine it's in mtg by now :-) 18:25 FreeFull Blah, I'm an idiot, I keep making normal chests instead of locked chests 18:25 VanessaE haha 18:26 FreeFull And there is no recipe to make a locked chest from a normal chest without a mod for it 18:26 Sokomine if moreblocks is installed, you can still improve them... 18:28 Sokomine my chesttools mod is installed on one of vanessas servers...but i believe it is the other minimalistic one and not the vanilla 18:30 VanessaE freeforall? 18:32 FreeFull Huh, saplings are actually decent fuel 18:36 Sokomine poor spalings 18:36 * Sokomine puts freefull into jail for firing up a furnace in this heat 18:54 TheWild anyone noticed the black margin on right and bottom edge of window? It happens at least on Windows client. 18:54 TheWild Why it is here? 18:59 Krock Screenie or it didn't happen 19:06 kilbith also you don't know me hmmmm, so keep your personal attacks to you 19:07 hmmmm I do know you well enough to have an opinion on you 19:07 kilbith "opinionated guy" seriously 19:07 hmmmm you're like a busybody middle-aged woman 19:07 hmmmm shoving your business where it really does not belong, and creating gossip 19:07 TheWild http://pasteboard.co/1IhusI5i.jpg 19:07 hmmmm yeah I am insulting to people who deserve it 19:07 TheWild ^ Krock 19:07 hmmmm no regrets 19:08 Krock TheWild, definitely a screen offset bug 19:08 kilbith how many people have hastively insulted there ? gcu, nrz, prestotron, who's next ? 19:08 kilbith without even knowing them IRL 19:08 hmmmm who is gcu? 19:08 kilbith gregorycu 19:08 Calinou grecorycu probably 19:08 hmmmm since when have I insulted him 19:08 hmmmm he was a great dev 19:09 kilbith that he was "arrogant" 19:09 kilbith because of "his wording" 19:09 kilbith i remember that very well 19:09 hmmmm whatever 19:09 kilbith yeah, wave that 19:09 hmmmm i don't remember the situation, but I think gregorycu was fine. 19:09 hmmmm prestidigitator and nerzhul really ground my gears the wrong way 19:09 VanessaE gregory wandered off because people didn't like his coding styleas I recall 19:10 hmmmm style not as in syntax, but the whole super-abstracted Java-y type stuff 19:10 hmmmm it's not quite suitable for minetest 19:10 VanessaE something like this yes 19:10 hmmmm people generally did not like it 19:10 Krock TheWild, does this offset bug also exist while playing? 19:10 hmmmm in any case 19:10 VanessaE presti is over-assuming, thinks his code is gold 19:10 hmmmm perhaps kilbith should focus more on code and less on being offended 19:11 kilbith you get pride saying "you have big balls", i wonder if you'd keep have such balls face to face ;) 19:11 Calinou perhaps you should focus less on acting like Linus Torvalds, too 19:11 Calinou we know he's rich, but acting like him doesn't make you rich :) 19:11 VanessaE nrz, well, my opinion of him is not so bad as it once was but his code sucks in places (we all know this) 19:11 hmmmm yes with lots of security holes 19:11 TheWild Krock, yep 19:11 hmmmm est wanted to do a security patch release yesterday 19:11 kilbith also the FM's guys and darkrose 19:12 kilbith seems like pretty much everyone who is different from you is an asse 19:12 hmmmm I looked at the specific commits, it turns out all but one were patches for holes that only existed due to nerzhul 19:12 Calinou FM is slow, and even Voxelands is slow now :) 19:12 kilbith all that is just non-exhaustive 19:12 hmmmm i.e. not relevant for 0.4.12 19:12 hmmmm now come the fuck on 19:13 hmmmm change the entire universe in the networking code, add a crapton of bugs, don't actually improve the functionality of anything 19:13 hmmmm how am I supposed to feel about that 19:13 TheWild Krock, the bug existed even on 0.0.1 19:13 kilbith "do not point the speck in your neighbor's eye before seeing the beam in yours" 19:13 kilbith print that in your mind constantly 19:13 Krock TheWild, minetest 0.0.1?? could it be a problem with your computer settings? 19:14 hmmmm I don't add dozens of horrifying bugs to upstream and then attempt to deny them 19:14 Sokomine the new security feature that was added to mt recently is very fine. i believe shadowninja is working on it? i've one problem with one new feature in my mod and need to talk about it to him, but in general it's very very good that this got added 19:14 TheWild Krock, no, I just like to dig archeological monuments 19:14 hmmmm Sokomine: don't ask to ask, just ask. 19:14 hmmmm what if one of us can answer? 19:16 Sokomine it is very specific. minetest.get_dir_list does work fine without security enabled; but with security enabled, it can't read directories other than the current world folder or perhaps the mod's folder. this is intended behaviour, but still a problem for me - i want to give players the ability to import saved schematics from one world to another more easily 19:16 hmmmm yes that is intended behavior 19:16 hmmmm there's a set_security_mode() api 19:16 hmmmm i don't think that's the name for it 19:16 hmmmm but this allows you access to everything 19:16 Sokomine actually reading the files can be done with an exception and an insecure environment, but the directory still can't be obtained 19:17 hmmmm the user needs to explicitly enable this for the mod iirc 19:17 Sokomine yes. and it's good behaviour in general 19:17 hmmmm so it's pretty much like UAC in windows except you need to write it into a config file instead of clicking a button 19:18 Calinou makes it un-user friendly :/ 19:18 Calinou too bad you can't toggle security mode from world configuration 19:18 hmmmm that could be a future enhancement 19:19 Sokomine minetest.get_dir_list is not covered by this exception. or i found no way for it. that's why i want to talk to shadowninja about it. the file as such (if i know where it is and how it's called) can be read using the special security functions 19:19 hmmmm any one of us can fix that 19:21 Sokomine hm, yes. but do you have time? there's a lot of work on mt, and someone who's already into the code might need less time 19:21 hmmmm 5 second fix 19:21 Sokomine oh? that is fast 19:21 hmmmm so what I was talking about is minetest.request_insecure_environment() 19:21 hmmmm your modname needs to be in secure.trusted_mods 19:22 Sokomine yes, that minetest.request_insecure_environment works fine. for reading and writing files. now, if minetest.get_dir_list could be unlimited (as long as it stays in some minetest folder), that would be great for me 19:23 Sokomine yes. as i said, it works fine for reading and writing files with the insecure environment. just the minetest.get_dir_list function does not seem to be affected by the insecure environment 19:23 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Mgv7: Lower base of mountain generation to -112 and define constant 13d786a27 http://git.io/vqmFy (152015-07-04T20:21:19+01:00) 19:23 hmmmm what function do you use for reading and writing files?? 19:24 Sokomine but it's something very specific to my own mod, and i'm now probably really wasting core dev's time :-( 19:24 hmmmm noo, directory listings should have proper permissions checking 19:24 Sokomine https://github.com/Sokomine/handle_schematics/blob/master/save_restore.lua line 65 ff 19:24 AnotherBrick lil' bit late for the drama, but http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/07/15/2316219/kernel-dev-tells-linus-torvalds-to-stop-using-abusive-language 19:26 Sokomine that at least is the part with reading and writing files. minetest.get_dir_list happens elsewhere. and that is limited by security beeing turned on - and that can't be lifted (at least i found no way) 19:26 hmmmm hmm 19:26 hmmmm sokomine, does mkdir not work for you either? 19:26 Sokomine mkdir in my situation only happens inside the world's folder, so it's not a problem anyway. i didn't check it outside 19:26 hmmmm hmm if what you're saying is true, this is a problem for basically everything that uses CHECK_SECURE_PATH_OPTIONAL 19:27 Sokomine (same as worldedit: if no WORLD/schems folder exists, create one) 19:28 hmmmm :).. sorry I thought this was going to be a 5 minute fix due to some missing check 19:28 Sokomine before minetest.get_dir_list was introduced, there was no such function at all; so i'm glad it exists now. just...need it to be less limited 19:28 hmmmm the entier thing is bugged though 19:28 Sokomine ok. then skip it for now, please. i'm sure there are other issues that need to be looked at 19:29 Sokomine oldcoder reported some repeated crashes with one world, and vanessae seemed to have problems as well (don't know if that is resolved by now?) 19:29 hmmmm those crashes are resolved as of the last commit 19:29 hmmmm have you noticed performance regressions? just curious 19:29 Sokomine no, not played much today. it is too hot 19:30 Sokomine it sometimes *felt* the last couple of days/weeks as if the game got slower; but without anything to quantify, it is hard to tell 19:32 Sokomine i had to turn off local map saving due to my ssd failinig. and it turned out that that particular function profits considerably from an ssd (unlike a lot of other things where it makes no big difference). but thats a diffrent issue 19:33 est31 Calinou, ^ see second person with failing ssd 19:33 est31 lets hope it works again after it gets colder 19:33 est31 if not, my ssd gets into the bin 19:34 Sokomine est31: no, not due to temperature. that particular ssd seems broken by design. i eventually got fed up with it going into read-only mode every copule of month (later on, even each day) without knowing why and removed it from my machine 19:35 Calinou my SSD has been working for 2 years without issues now 19:35 Sokomine someone in #debian told me that other people operating real servers had the same problem. the firmware of samsung's 840* ssds seems quite broken 19:35 Calinou I'm on a 840 Pro 19:36 Sokomine yes, well. make certain you never run trim on it...not even by accident 19:36 est31 I have 840 evo 19:37 Calinou discard used to be enabled 19:37 Calinou it no longer is since I installed Debian... 19:37 Sokomine calinou: https://blog.algolia.com/when-solid-state-drives-are-not-that-solid/ might be of intrest to you 19:38 Calinou let's go back to HDDs /s 19:39 Sokomine that's what i did eventually. the 2.5" usb3 drive works fine most of the time. only real issue is when enabling map saving. the hard drive hiccups and makes a short pause when doing that; the ssd had no such trouble. other issues - like boot time or start time of programs - are usaully less relevant as they happen only once 19:41 Calinou I guess HDDs will go the way of the dinosaur for most use cases 19:42 Sokomine they're still good for lage media collections and backup. ssd are too expensive for that 19:43 Calinou maybe they'll be cheaper one day 19:43 Sokomine just read yesterday that the production of vhs tapes ended...was quite surprised that they where still produced 19:43 Sokomine they do have their advantages. they're quiet and shock-resistant. also faster for those windows users i guess 19:44 Calinou it's faster everywhere 19:44 Calinou and they also make nearly non oise 19:44 Calinou noise* 19:45 kilbith sfan5, you wanted an example on hmmmm's cheating, just the latest is quality one : https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/7b171ea2be0e476d7cdc9300b53ba86a9f694161 19:45 kilbith he has not even received/asked a formal +1, and this is always how it's done (he has only 7 PRs for 300 commits) 19:45 Sokomine exactly. i love them for their noiselessness and roughness. if only they had better firmware 19:45 hmmmm kilbith: trivial exemption 19:45 kilbith ah, and in the mean time you strongly require more restriction on others 19:46 hmmmm kilbith: but it say so in the RULES 19:46 kilbith haha 19:46 hmmmm in any case I'm going to ignore you 19:46 hmmmm there's nothing productive coming from kilbith's mouth 19:46 kilbith you dare saying that, but 99% of your commits are like that ! 19:47 kilbith hell, how people does not want to face the reality as it is 19:48 kilbith you only present your diff on kwoelkr's repo and then pushing 19:48 kilbith always like that 19:48 sfan5 thats ok for trivial changes 19:48 OldCoder Well, this is refreshing 19:48 OldCoder Seriously 19:48 kilbith also FYI, some of my money money is given discretly to the project or some devs 19:49 OldCoder Dysfunctional is when there is no communication 19:49 kilbith so it's my business 19:49 sfan5 haha 19:49 sfan5 fuck you 19:49 OldCoder Melee is a step up 19:49 sfan5 just because you give us money we don't need to day as you say 19:49 sfan5 if you're disappointed stop giving money 19:49 kilbith i'm an actionary 19:49 OldCoder It does take multiple types 19:50 kilbith a shareholder* 19:50 sfan5 why should hmmmm care about that 19:50 sfan5 or anyone else 19:50 kilbith just open your eyes, you 19:50 xenkey Greetings. 19:50 sfan5 hi 19:50 OldCoder xenkey xenhey 19:50 hmmmm donations go to hosting, anyway 19:51 sfan5 kilbith: so you there is no reason? 19:51 sfan5 wat 19:51 kilbith and i give to some devs also 19:51 OldCoder Hosting is cheap 19:51 OldCoder Good 19:51 sfan5 "so there is no reason?"* 19:51 xenkey OldCoder: good evening good sir 19:51 OldCoder o/ 19:51 xenkey Do you also, like me, come in peace? 19:51 OldCoder Um 19:51 OldCoder I am sort of complicated 19:51 kilbith sfan5, i don't get your last question sorry 19:51 xenkey OldCoder: Aren't we all? 19:51 OldCoder Not all 19:52 sfan5 kilbith: please tell me the reason why we should care about you donating money to the project 19:52 OldCoder Wait, does it matter if one cares or not? 19:52 OldCoder Cares is not the point 19:52 kilbith because i'm somewhat a shareholder and thus i have right to put my noise in that business 19:52 kilbith naturally 19:52 OldCoder Not unless it is a fomal arrangement, kilbith 19:53 OldCoder This has been explained to me in blunt terms 19:53 xenkey I have a dead pixel 19:53 OldCoder xenkey, it can possibly be fixed 19:53 OldCoder Back from the pixel grave 19:53 OldCoder Its pixel life you can save 19:53 xenkey Where wonder pixel soldiers brave 19:54 OldCoder Google pixel dead before you head to bed 19:54 Calinou Sokomine> exactly. i love them for their noiselessness and roughness. if only they had better firmware 19:54 OldCoder That is a good line 19:54 xenkey Or your hopes and digital dreams you shall shred 19:54 Calinou HDDs and SSDs suffer from two glaring issues: they all have proprietary, black box firmware 19:54 VanessaE xenkey: use a pen or pencil, with a couple layers of plastic between it and the screen, and rub on it firmly. 19:54 OldCoder :D 19:54 sfan5 Calinou: hows the speed improvement with ssds? 19:54 xenkey VanessaE: Thanks 19:54 VanessaE don't rub so hard that you scratch the screen. 19:54 xenkey Is paper okay? 19:54 OldCoder Google other approaches 19:54 xenkey We don't have those complicated props in this household 19:54 Calinou sfan5, it improves speed a lot? 19:54 VanessaE anything that protects the screen from being marked or scratched is fine 19:54 OldCoder We will offer no reproaches 19:54 VanessaE plastic is better because it's transparent. 19:55 xenkey I'll prepare an essay by tomorrow and decide which method I shall use to repair the minor mark on the screen 19:55 OldCoder Plastic, you see, through, you see 19:55 sfan5 Calinou: i mean is it noticable and how much 19:55 xenkey Alright VanessaE 19:55 xenkey Thanks 19:55 Calinou it is very noticeable 19:55 Calinou but games don't load much faster 19:55 Calinou programs like LibreOffice and Scribus do load faster 19:55 Calinou system boots faster, without making noise 19:55 sfan5 i dont get what noise people are talking about 19:56 VanessaE minetest loads WAY faster with an ssd than with hdd, if you're using large textures 19:56 sfan5 i really rarely hear my hdd 19:56 xenkey I can hear mind loud and clear 19:56 VanessaE (like 50% faster I'd guess) 19:56 xenkey Zipping and clicking away 19:56 xenkey I can't describe that sound too well 19:56 Calinou also a SSD is smaller, lighter, uses less power 19:56 xenkey Put your ear to a normal HDD, this is what I hear at range 19:56 sfan5 pff power 19:56 OldCoder VanessaE, let me know if they fix the bug 19:56 sfan5 i don't care about power consumption 19:57 VanessaE OldCoder: it's been fixed. 19:57 Calinou sfan5, suddenly: laptops :) 19:57 Sokomine sfan5: as i said, the speed improvement for me using linux was far less than expected. bootup time is pretty insignificant, and most stays in memory after first start. compiling happens in the background. but local map saving (from a server) - that does make a huge difference. there i really noticed it. the game hangs for a split second when a mapblock is written. this did not happen with the ssd. all o 19:57 Calinou and server clusters, too :P 19:57 Sokomine ther applications perhaps depend less on ressources, and so it doesn't show up 19:57 sfan5 Calinou: i have a laptop but i use it like a desktop cuz keyboard is broken 19:57 sfan5 and cuz extra monitor 19:57 VanessaE my Minetest servers run from an ssd. 19:58 Calinou my hunger games server runs from SSD now 19:58 VanessaE between using that, and having two HDDs in RAID1, the system is extremely fast at running backups as well 19:58 Sokomine xenkey: did you make sure it wasn't just dirt? or a (real!) tiny insect? they're usually about the size of pixels (or even slightly larger) 19:58 sfan5 Sokomine: i see, thanks for taking a little time to tell me your experiences 19:59 xenkey Oh fuck 19:59 xenkey It's round 19:59 xenkey I just looked closer 19:59 xenkey I can see the pixels behind it like through a sphere glass ball 19:59 xenkey Ugh I don't want to touch the screen... 20:00 xenkey I got rid of it by rubbing the corner of some paper on it 20:01 VanessaE probably just a dot of grease then 20:01 OldCoder It's alive 20:01 OldCoder ALIVE 20:01 OldCoder VanessaE, so, I should remove the reset hard? 20:02 OldCoder And go with today's code? 20:02 Sokomine ah yes, and huge databases in general profit a lot from ssds. i noticed a speedup on those as well 20:02 VanessaE OldCoder: doesn't matter now. if you want to update, you can just `git pull` 20:02 Sokomine xenkey: fine :-) 20:03 xenkey Yep 20:03 xenkey Thanks for the help anyway 20:03 VanessaE OldCoder: I'm not entirely clear what tangible improvements there were between then and now 20:03 xenkey I'll fix the dead pixel on my old CRT display now 20:07 est31 Krock, you there? 20:07 * Krock looks around 20:07 est31 good 20:07 Krock yeah. I seem to be here 20:07 est31 can you help me fix the special chars bug 20:07 xenkey Krock: No you're actually not here 20:07 est31 on windows 20:07 xenkey Idk where you are but here is not one of the places you are 20:07 Krock est31, great.. but how? 20:08 Krock xenkey, where am I then? 20:08 xenkey Krock: !here 20:08 Krock !here 20:09 est31 Krock, if character conversion fails, it logs the output to infostream. it somehow seems it doesnt "fail" for the program. Can you make it log always and paste the output here? 20:09 est31 perhaps also log the input 20:09 Sokomine well, we do have a whoami command, but no whereami - so your question cannot be answered, krock :-) 20:10 est31 if rumpelstilzchen just gave the people he asked a shell logged in with his id 20:10 Calinou adding a few secret areas to my hunger games map :) 20:11 Krock est31, it doesn't log anything 20:11 est31 it logs to infostream 20:11 Krock but I can add some lnes 20:11 est31 paste the code and output somewhere 20:18 Krock est31, I see what you meant. But the infostream was only used in the linux code. However, you'll get the log in >= 6 mins 20:19 est31 i see 20:26 OldCoder VanessaE, wait, is the bug fixed or not? 20:26 VanessaE OldCoder: it is. but I don't know if it's worth doing a git pull is all I meant 20:27 VanessaE (because what you have now should be stable too) 20:31 xenkey So my server's empty :( 20:33 kilbith i wanted to ask about the PMs, why people feel that as a disturbance ? 20:33 kilbith some things belongs to the private circle 20:33 kilbith and it's a way to prevent the conflicts 20:34 Emperor_Genshin xenkey: you aren't the only one who's server is empty X3 20:34 xenkey Heh 20:35 kilbith oh fuck off, i don't why i spent so much time here even 20:35 Emperor_Genshin ? 20:36 xenkey lol 20:38 Jordach_ [off] who shoved that beehive up his ass, anyways? 20:38 hmmmm I did 20:38 Emperor_Genshin lol 20:38 OldCoder VanessaE, OK 20:39 Jordach_ hmmmm, http://niceme.me 20:39 sfan5 dank maymays 20:39 Jordach_ ayy lmao 20:39 OldCoder hmmmm, it is better to attempt to talk than to pretend things are other than they are 20:39 * OldCoder is not big on that type of pretending 20:39 hmmmm totally agree 20:41 Krock est, http://pastebin.com/TFFbiA3E 20:45 est can you log utf8_to_wide output as a hex string? 20:45 est Krock, ^ 20:47 sloantothebone Hi 20:47 Krock est, why? See "utf8_to_wide in: Welt wählen: | Length: 12" MultiByteToWideChar returns there 11, so it's nonsense to log it 20:48 est ? 20:48 est is it converting the ä into nothing? 20:48 Krock est, exactly. it's erased 20:56 est Krock, can you replace CP_UTF8 with CP_ACP? 20:56 est & then try 20:56 Krock in both functions? 20:56 est yes 21:03 Krock est, yeah, works. 21:03 Krock utf8_to_wide in: Welt wählen: | Length: 12 utf8_to_wide out Length: 12 | Returns: 12 21:03 est fine 21:03 est really good 21:04 Krock but it's not utf8 21:04 est I think it is 21:04 est the wide output doesnt have to be utf8 21:05 est only the input 21:05 est can you make a hexdump of the input? 21:08 Krock Yes, when I'm not tired anymore. see ya 21:08 est well these are great results 21:52 Guest67775 What's the difference between Minetest and Minecraft? 21:53 VanessaE one is Minetest, the other is a closed-source, Microsoft-owned, clusterfuck ;) 21:53 VanessaE really though, Minetest is written in C++ with Lua for the game content and mods, and shares nothing at all with Minecraft (no assets, no code). 21:54 VanessaE they are similar in how you play them and how they look but that's all 21:54 Guest67775 Ah. How's the performance compared to Minecraft? 21:54 VanessaE it's variable 21:54 VanessaE for some people, Minetest performs better. for others Minecraft does 21:55 Guest67775 And it has multiplayer, right? 21:55 AnotherBrick in singleplayer with no mods minetest is faster 21:55 VanessaE it is multiplayer yes 21:55 VanessaE I run several multiplayer servers/ 21:55 Guest67775 Great, thank you. 21:55 Guest67775 What servers would you suggest? 21:55 VanessaE what is your interest exactly? survival? difficult? 21:55 est for server owners, minetest cant be clustered 21:56 est this makes writing mods easy, but running large servers hard 21:56 Guest67775 I don't really have any preference. 21:56 VanessaE well, my Vanilla server is quite popular latelt 21:56 VanessaE lately* 21:56 VanessaE it's survival mode, not that many mods, loads fast, and has decent gameplay 21:57 Guest67775 Are the mods automatically installed by the server or is client-side installation necessary? 21:57 VanessaE the server manages them, 21:58 VanessaE mods stay entirely on the server in fact 21:58 VanessaE (only the sounds and graphics are sent to the client) 21:58 VanessaE eventually there will be client-side modding, but this will also be controlled by the server. 21:58 sfan5 it will? 21:58 est and be secure the same time 21:58 VanessaE whatever mods you have installed only work when you're not playing in multiplayer 21:58 VanessaE sfan5: as far as I know yes 21:59 sfan5 whats the point of client-side mods if the server controls them 21:59 VanessaE sfan5: as in the server supplies them ? 21:59 sfan5 idk 21:59 est its code executed by the client 21:59 sfan5 "control" in some way 21:59 est therefore no server lag 21:59 VanessaE client users won't have to go looking for them. 22:00 sfan5 imo the point of client-side mods is to extend the client 22:00 est its not about modifying the client itself 22:00 sfan5 not to allow server mods to respond faster 22:00 VanessaE sfan5: think carts without the lag. 22:00 VanessaE MOBs that respond instantly. 22:00 VanessaE that sorta thing 22:01 sfan5 i wasn't saying client-side mods should not be used for that stuff 22:01 sfan5 VanessaE: s/MOB/Mob/ 22:01 Sokomine Guest67775: that vanilla server of VanessaE is really quite nice for getting started. don't forget to select a name for you :-) Guest is usually banned on most servers 22:01 Guest67775 How do I connect to a server? I don't see any spots to insert an IP address in the Server tab. 22:01 VanessaE sfan5: no. MOB. 22:02 VanessaE Movable Object Block 22:02 sfan5 I'm for Massive Orange Brick 22:02 VanessaE first coined by Commodore back in the 80's to refer to what most others called sprites. 22:02 VanessaE Guest67775: click the "Client" tab. 22:02 Sokomine Guest67775: select the "client" tab when the game starts up. that is where you can connect to multiplayer servers. there is even a public list 22:02 sfan5 Guest67775: the server tab is for hosting servers, ^ 22:02 sfan5 yeah 22:02 VanessaE select a server fro... yeah, that. 22:03 Guest67775 Thank you. 22:03 xenkey hi 22:03 VanessaE damn it Sokomine stop ninja'ing me :) 22:05 Guest67775 Oh boy. Nothing like having to try and get an indie program running on a strange OS. 22:06 Guest67775 Pardon me for asking, but how do I change my name in this chat? 22:06 xenkey /nick namehere 22:06 * Sokomine looks innocently at vanessae :) 22:07 Guest67775 Thanks. 22:07 * xenkey looks guiltily at Sokomine 22:07 Guest67775 Didn't work, actually. 22:07 Sokomine but you where doing such a fine job of introducing the new player and explaining all :) there really wasn't that much more left 22:07 Sokomine strange os? do you use windows? 22:07 VanessaE Guest67775: /nick Sakaki_ 22:07 VanessaE (with the underscore; someone else probably registered Sakaki already) 22:07 Guest67775 /nick Sakaki_ 22:07 Guest67775 Oops. 22:07 VanessaE no spaces. 22:07 xenkey no space at the start 22:07 VanessaE well no LEADING spaces anyway :P 22:07 Sakaki_ There. 22:07 xenkey yeah that worked 22:08 xenkey VanessaE: Heh 22:08 Sokomine as long as it's not no space left on device... 22:08 Sakaki_ I'm using Windows 10. 22:08 xenkey Sokomine: Oh god 22:08 xenkey I hate it when that happens 22:09 Sokomine Sakaki_: well, that is indeed a strange os. very few people use it here. though there are builds (=compiled versions) for windows 22:09 * Sokomine nods to xenkey 22:10 Sakaki_ Don't worry. I'll just spend the next few hours trying to come up with a failure of a repair. 22:11 Sokomine *g* we manage to break the game often enough on our own ,-) but you're welcome to proudce further bugs :) 22:11 Sokomine the nice thing about this game is that you can mod it very easily. once you've understood how it works, you can change it the way you like 22:11 Sakaki_ Is there any options set in here to change from openGL to DirectX? 22:12 Sokomine under settings/rendering 22:13 AnotherBrick dammit i was always editing minetest.conf for that %) 22:16 Sakaki_ Any option for enabling image interlacing? It might fix the image rendering problem by resetting the bitmaps on the images. 22:21 Sakaki_ The texture designers should've used png-8 instead of png-24 to fix errors with interlacing on non-openGL computers. :/ 22:21 VanessaE er no 22:21 VanessaE libpng and/or your driver should handle that 22:21 VanessaE and you meant image indexing. some modders already do that anyway 22:24 Sakaki_ Sadly, due to the beta drivers for videos, they don't really use OpenGL, so there's not much support for stuff that isn't DirectX 12. 22:24 VanessaE ah 22:24 VanessaE well there IS a directx driver but you can't use shaders 22:25 VanessaE (they're written in GLSL, not HLSL) 22:26 Sakaki_ Well, I'd prefer not to lose shaders, so I'll just try and get rid of these drivers and replace them. 22:31 Sakaki_ Any ideas for a fix to turn on interlacing? 22:31 VanessaE interlacing?? 22:31 VanessaE who uses that these days? 22:32 Sakaki_ That's the problem. 22:32 Sakaki_ The engine the game uses is suggesting that it be turned on, and it simply crashes afterwards. 22:32 VanessaE oh ignore that 22:32 VanessaE everyone gets that warning but it doesn't actually mean anything. 22:33 VanessaE is there nothing useful in your debug.txt from the crash? 22:34 Sakaki_ Irrlicht was unable to open textures, and textures failed to generate. 22:35 Sakaki_ Therefore, that makes me an idiot. 22:35 VanessaE that just means they were probably missing entirely. 22:35 Sakaki_ Oh. 22:35 Sakaki_ You're right. 22:35 VanessaE that's not the first time I've seen that 22:36 Sakaki_ I don't have many texture files at all. 22:36 VanessaE textures are stored with their mods actually 22:36 VanessaE minetest_game/mods/default/textures for example. 22:36 Sakaki_ Where would slc_n.png be located? 22:36 VanessaE mods/signs_lib/textures 22:36 Sakaki_ Hm. 22:37 VanessaE or mods/homedecor_modpack/signs_lib/textures 22:37 Sakaki_ What do you suggest I do? 22:38 VanessaE honestly I don't know 22:38 VanessaE you're using windows so I'm out of element here 22:39 Sakaki_ Well, you set it was part of the mods, right? If I was unable to make a connection to your server and gain access to those files, wouldn't it just be a problem of permissions? 22:39 VanessaE oh wait 22:39 Sakaki_ I did get quite a few textures for a second, but the rest are missing. 22:39 VanessaE you couldn't download the textures? 22:39 VanessaE I didn't see that 22:39 Sakaki_ Nope. 22:39 VanessaE that's weird. 22:39 VanessaE try connecting again maybe 22:40 Sakaki_ I'll try under a different IP. 22:40 VanessaE not necessary 22:40 Sakaki_ Okay. 22:41 Sakaki_ Exact same error. 22:41 VanessaE even down to the same missing files? 22:42 Sakaki_ It's only two missing files. slc_n.png and slc_0.png. 22:42 VanessaE checking.., 22:42 Sakaki_ Wait! 22:43 VanessaE holy crap 22:43 VanessaE mine spews such errors also 22:43 VanessaE ok I know why 22:43 Sakaki_ I can play, almost everything's missing. 22:43 VanessaE server needs restarted to push a code change I made recently. 22:43 Sakaki_ Ah. 22:43 est31 VanessaE, why do you not get tons of Deprecated call to "get_entity_name actionstream errors? 22:43 est31 when running dreambuilder 22:44 est31 ../dreambuilder_game/mods/digilines/digilines_lcd/init.lua:42: in function 'clearscreen' 22:44 VanessaE est31: because I have depecation warning disabled 22:44 VanessaE or at least I thought I did 22:44 VanessaE in any case I hate the code that spews such warnings, because it does it non-stop, no rate-limiting. 22:44 Sakaki_ You got a skin mod, right? 22:45 VanessaE I do. 22:45 VanessaE give it 30 seconds and then sign in again 22:45 Sokomine which version are you using? which build? 22:45 Sokomine ah, ok 22:46 VanessaE I use a git build from late June. 22:46 VanessaE the problem you had is just my server not having all files up-to-date. 22:46 VanessaE hmn, something ain't right with signs now. 22:46 AnotherBrick est31 : do you still need those dumps from character conversion? 22:47 est31 AnotherBrick, seems not 22:47 est31 AnotherBrick, you are on windows, right? 22:47 AnotherBrick yes 22:48 AnotherBrick and cyrillic doesn't work with CP_UTF8 in utf8_to_wide 22:48 est31 can you try that other CP_ thing? 22:48 est31 CP_ACP 22:49 AnotherBrick i tried CP_ACP and forced set_locale to ru_RU.UTF8 and it worked fine 22:49 est31 and can you give me a hex dump of the utf8 output? 22:49 est31 err input 22:50 est31 only utf8 input 22:50 est31 what do you mean with set_locale? 22:51 AnotherBrick i compiled minetest without gettext and no locale seems to be set when there's no gettext 22:52 AnotherBrick input is the same for CP_UTF8 and CP_ACP 22:52 Sakaki_ Did you fix it? 22:53 AnotherBrick string ffff, input: 6600660066006600; 22:53 AnotherBrick string ffЖff, input: 66006600160466006600 22:56 VanessaE it's fixed, Sakaki_ . 22:56 VanessaE for now. 22:58 est31 AnotherBrick, and utf8 output? 22:59 est31 for input ffЖff 23:00 AnotherBrick 6666d0966666 23:01 est31 nice, works! 23:01 AnotherBrick d0 96 is actually correct representation of Ж, but it's displayed as two symbols.. 23:01 est31 yes 23:01 AnotherBrick hmmm.. lemme check.. 23:01 est31 whats your 23:02 est31 github username? 23:02 est31 http://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl?start=1024 23:02 est31 select "cyrillic" 23:02 est31 and hex for display format 23:10 est31 AnotherBrick, are you neoastetic? 23:11 AnotherBrick oh! sorry i missed that. i'm cupofinsane at github 23:50 MinetestBot 02[git] 04ShadowNinja -> 03minetest/minetest: Use minetest logging facilities for irrlicht log output 13a938387 http://git.io/vqYMj (152015-07-05T01:05:24+02:00)