IRC log for #minetest, 2014-12-25

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03:14	MinetestBot	[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Conf.example: Correct grammar and spelling. Shorten some lines. Move a few lines into correct sections. Remove finite liquid reference. Make indentation consistent 7a7614a http://git.io/eAo5dQ (2014-12-25T04:06:15+01:00)
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03:34	hoodedice	hello
03:34	acerspyro	yo
03:35	hoodedice	so yeah, new release tomorrow
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03:35	acerspyro	Will check it out when I'm home
03:35	hoodedice	aight
03:35	acerspyro	Well, how big would it be?
03:36	acerspyro	in size
03:36	hoodedice	6 MB base game
03:36	acerspyro	not bad
03:36	hoodedice	there's nothing in it
03:36	acerspyro	Aw
03:36	acerspyro	That's why I didn't like it
03:36	hoodedice	but if you get too involved, worlds can grow to over 5 GB in size
03:36	acerspyro	I only got the base game :P
03:36	hoodedice	you need to expand it with mods
03:36	hoodedice	try hmm
03:37	hoodedice	!g VanessaE dreambuilder
03:37	MinetestBot	hoodedice: https://github.com/VanessaE/dreambuilder_game
03:37	acerspyro	should have a mods installing interface built into it
03:37	VanessaE	there is a mod-installer built in
03:37	hoodedice	yes, try adding this subgame ^ to your /game/ directory
03:37	VanessaE	but you don't actually need it
03:37	hoodedice	gives you a ton of pritti blocks
03:37	VanessaE	you can just copy your mods to <minetest dir>/mods and name their folders properly, and enable them in your menu.
03:37	VanessaE	there's not much to it
03:37	acerspyro	how big is it?
03:38	VanessaE	dreambuilder is about 56 MB (uncompressed) at present
03:38	acerspyro	oh
03:38	acerspyro	too big for atm
03:38	VanessaE	with git history, rather larger :)
03:38	VanessaE	wat?
03:38	acerspyro	VanessaE, I can't download over 10 mb, 10 GB/month
03:38	hoodedice	ow
03:38	acerspyro	Cap blows VERY quickly, and it's expensive.
03:39	Sokomine	the dreambuilder game is really recommendable. it does have a lot of mods and is really built to make builders happy :-)
03:39	hoodedice	I can guess...
03:39	hoodedice	oh hai there Sokomine, I was beginning to miss you
03:39	acerspyro	At home, I have 60 gb/month, 50/10 connection
03:39	VanessaE	well 56 MB ain't that much, even against a 10 GB cap
03:39	hoodedice	how you been?
03:39	acerspyro	I can go nuts, download 2 gb files.
03:39	acerspyro	VanessaE, with everything else, it is
03:39	Sokomine	acerspyro: it's mb, not gb :-)
03:39	VanessaE	btw with git history it's 111 MB.
03:39	acerspyro	I've used 75 mb by using IRC 2/3rd of my day
03:40	VanessaE	acerspyro: 56 Megs, that's pretty small.
03:40	acerspyro	Sokomine, I mean, I can download 2 gb files if I wanted to
03:40	acerspyro	VanessaE, it is, not for here
03:40	VanessaE	you need better internet :)
03:40	Sokomine	hi hoodedice. i'm a bit busy with mg_villages. the single houses started to spawn on top of the villages, which is a very annoying bug
03:40	VanessaE	anyway good luck then
03:40	acerspyro	VanessaE, I have better internet at home
03:40	acerspyro	I'm at my grandparents for xmas
03:40	hoodedice	wish I had as much luck with minetest lua as I had with unity's C#
03:40	hoodedice	Unity3D's C# came quite naturally to me
03:41	acerspyro	They live somewhere lost, with only shitty satellite internet service.
03:41	Sokomine	ok, on a mobile phone connection, 35 mb might ruin you under certain circumstances
03:41	hoodedice	acerspyro: The dreambuilder sub_game is 23 MB
03:41	hoodedice	on download
03:41	Sokomine	acerspyro: that's pretty much for irc. how many channels did you join?
03:42	acerspyro	Sokomine, This is kind of like a mobile phone connection, since it's 3G
03:42	VanessaE	well yeah compressed it is somewhat smaller
03:42	acerspyro	Sokomine, uhh, 9?
03:42	hoodedice	not to forget, they might also be visiting links
03:42	Sokomine	hoodedice: lua's not that bad. it's certainly annoying in some aspects, but there have been some nice debugging features beeing added recently. it now tells you when you accidently use a new global variable due to mistyping
03:42	acerspyro	yeah
03:43	acerspyro	I also navigate around
03:43	acerspyro	But I don't do youtube or anything that would use a lot
03:43	Sokomine	ah, ok, satellite internet may be very expensive
03:43	acerspyro	Sokomine, very.
03:43	VanessaE	actually, the tarball for dreambuilder is only about 20 MB
03:43	VanessaE	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/Dreambuilder_Game.tar.bz2
03:43	VanessaE	(but that one lacks git history)
03:43	hoodedice	Soko, I use it with a nice IDE, ZeroBrane Studio, but I don't find time to learn it when I can mess around with C# =D
03:43	acerspyro	ty
03:44	Sokomine	acerspyro: turn image loading in your browser off. that might help a bit already. and of course use the usual privacy protection tools like requestpolicy etc in your browser
03:45	Sokomine	today, web pages tend to be quite big. i'm really astonished that you managed to get a significant amount of traffic on irc. even with 9 high-traffic channels :-)
03:45	acerspyro	I use adblock, removes a lot of the bandwidth already
03:47	Sokomine	that may help a bit already, yes, but it's not really sufficient. at least not for me. but then, for me, webpages that require javascript tend to be white, empty pages :-)
03:47	hoodedice	I am sleepy, see ya'll tomorrow
03:48	acerspyro	k
03:48	hoodedice	Sokomine, here's to seeing you around wink
03:48	Sokomine	on mobile connections, not loading images can help a lot. that's even valid for the minetest forum. just visit the screenshots thread...lots of big screenshots :-)
03:48	acerspyro	wet dreams
03:48	acerspyro	:)
03:48	Sokomine	sleep well, hoodedice
03:48	hoodedice	(inb4 hoodedice is a creep)
03:48	acerspyro	hoodedice, I've seen worse
03:48	acerspyro	coughmyselfcough
03:48	hoodedice	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTENT9gQxCE&feature=youtu.be&t=2m31s
03:51	Sokomine	creepy village with badly spawned house: https://mediacru.sh/bnd_BvalSVSe.png (don't load if you're on a mobile connection)
03:52	acerspyro	Ok so where do I fuck the dreambuilder_game again?
03:53	hoodedice	you fuck it in minetest/game/
03:53	VanessaE	well don't fuck it here.
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03:53	acerspyro	lol
03:53	VanessaE	I didn't design the game to be fucked.
03:53	VanessaE	I designed it to be played. :)
03:53	acerspyro	VanessaE, Who knows!
03:53	Sokomine	wonder what might come out of that? perhaps acerspyro is software as well...a mod...
03:53	acerspyro	I don't have a game folder
03:53	hoodedice	...
03:53	VanessaE	make one.
03:53	hoodedice	this turned dark quickly
03:54	acerspyro	in .minetest?
03:54	VanessaE	yep. <minetestdir>/games/dreambuilder_game
03:54	Sokomine	hoodedice: that bug's still annoying me :-)
03:54	VanessaE	so just mkdir <minetestdir>/games and put dreambuilder et al. there.
03:55	hoodedice	you can put a checking loop...
03:57	Sokomine	thought i had such a one. wonder why it's not working. must be some stupid error
03:57	acerspyro	You will be able to call errors stupid the day they will have a mind of their own.
03:58	acerspyro	I FOUND A ROCK!
03:58	acerspyro	:D :D :D
03:58	acerspyro	BSTDAYOFMYLIFE420
03:58	Sokomine	i'm afraid the error will be even more stupid than that :)
03:59	acerspyro	omg mobs are buggy
03:59	VanessaE	can't be helped, minetest is glitchy when it comes to mobs
04:02	acerspyro	Twigs?
04:02	VanessaE	yep
04:02	acerspyro	Such level of details
04:02	VanessaE	there's lots of stuff on the map after all the mapgen stuff is run
04:02	VanessaE	(I configured it to run in layers to avoid lagging too much)
04:02	acerspyro	argh why can't you change graphics settings without leaving the game
04:04	VanessaE	heh
04:05	acerspyro	it's so slow to load
04:05	VanessaE	turn off preload-item-visuals in your config
04:06	acerspyro	this needs better images.
04:06	VanessaE	I know
04:06	acerspyro	I can help
04:07	VanessaE	pull requests are welcome, but textures should be directed at their individual mods
04:07	acerspyro	ok
04:07	acerspyro	I guess this is your mod?
04:07	VanessaE	plantlife stuff is more or less mine yeah
04:08	VanessaE	(several components therein have been imported from elsewhere)
04:09	VanessaE	be sure you're using a current development build of Minetest btw
04:09	VanessaE	otherwise you'll see stuff looking weird, like apples
04:10	acerspyro	I am
04:10	VanessaE	ok
04:11	acerspyro	0.4.10?
04:11	VanessaE	0.4.10 is old
04:11	acerspyro	hm
04:11	VanessaE	0.4.11 is about to be released, like today or tomorrow
04:11	VanessaE	use a development build until then
04:12	acerspyro	what VCS do you use
04:12	VanessaE	git
04:12	VanessaE	you can clone it from here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest
04:12	acerspyro	once again
04:12	acerspyro	how big
04:12	VanessaE	right.
04:12	VanessaE	um
04:12	acerspyro	:P
04:12	VanessaE	lemme check
04:13	VanessaE	the zip of the sources is 9.5 MB at present
04:13	VanessaE	I don't think that includes any git history though
04:13	VanessaE	with git history, it's 537 MB
04:14	acerspyro	lol
04:14	Sokomine	at least that ought to be compressible
04:14	acerspyro	I'd rather get the zip
04:14	VanessaE	(well that's the uncompressed size on my disk)
04:14	acerspyro	I got it uncompressed
04:14	Sokomine	might be due to your improvements of the graphic files
04:16	acerspyro	lol I got install deps
04:17	VanessaE	yep
04:17	acerspyro	YO FOOL'D ME
04:17	acerspyro	jk
04:17	VanessaE	:P
04:19	acerspyro	building
04:23	acerspyro	VanessaE, how many times have people asked how to build the game?
04:23	acerspyro	I wonder how many of them can't read readme's.
04:24	VanessaE	a number of times I guess
04:24	VanessaE	enough so that Calinou has this "one-liner" on one of his forum topics to assist in that
04:27	acerspyro	lol
04:27	acerspyro	Calinou can be annoying at times.
04:27	acerspyro	idk about here, but on other channels
04:27	acerspyro	Anyways, gn
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07:00	stormchaser3000	does anyone know what compiler compiles programs using .xml files?
07:01	VanessaE	not familiar with such a thing; xml is just a markup language.
07:01	VanessaE	Eclipse seems to use them though
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07:03	VanessaE	bbl
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08:58	Krock	Merry Christmas!
08:58	ElectronLibre	Merry christmas to you too, Krock.
08:58	Krock	Thanks :D
08:59	* Krock	looks at the topic description: >Minetest 0.4.11 releases on the 24th.
08:59	ElectronLibre	Yes, indeed :Â°...
08:59	ElectronLibre	(But don't worry it's compiling apparently)
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09:26	* Krock	builds a 0.4.11 win32 binary
09:26	stormchaser3000	krock: how in the universe do you build windows builds
09:26	stormchaser3000	i have attempted to
09:26	stormchaser3000	but failed a lot
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09:27	Krock	stormchaser3000, I only can build win32.. it took me two weeks to get it correctly
09:27	Krock	when you've got all libraries, then you're on the right way
09:27	stormchaser3000	lol taking me a few years and i still can't figure it out but i think i can compile some other programs
09:28	stormchaser3000	such as manic digger
09:28	Krock	that's c#
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09:35	Krock	Fastest build from scratch! 9:35.76 minutes
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11:02	casimir	Since the right click craft feature was changed I don't know how I am supposed to use it now. It does work with double click, but then I also place two items...
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11:09	Krock	casimir, one click in one field, an other click into the next. I hate this change too
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11:18	* ElectronLibre	compiled MT in 3 minutes with his new computer, great!
11:19	* mitrom	played minetest in 2 minutes
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11:22	Zeno`	Any news on when MT will be released?
11:22	ElectronLibre	Nothing new.
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11:55	mitrom	who here has the slowest internet?
11:55	* mitrom	has 2mbits
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11:58	Jordach	ElectronLibre, compiled in 1 minute under a 2 CPU core VM
11:58	mitrom	well sir
11:58	mitrom	i compiled in 5 minutes on a 24 core amazon instance
11:59	mitrom	also
11:59	mitrom	merry christmas!
11:59	ElectronLibre	You broke my dreams Jordach. At least it's good.
11:59	Krock	merry xmas 4 u 2
11:59	ElectronLibre	Merry christmas too mitrom.
11:59	mitrom	Merry merry
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12:00	mitrom	let's make a christmas server
12:00	Krock	knock knock - Who's there? - Merry - Merry who? - Merry Christmas!
12:00	mitrom	krock krock
12:00	Krock	wat wat
12:01	mitrom	krock
12:01	mitrom	krock who?
12:01	Krock	krock christmas doesn't work
12:02	mitrom	Krock Krock - Who's there? - Krock - Krock who? - Krock.
12:02	Krock	omg wow.
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12:03	Viper168	krockmas?
12:03	gregorycu	Well well well
12:03	gregorycu	Merry Christmas
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12:06	gregorycu	Someone should update the topic
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12:15	EvergreenTree	Merry christmas everyone! (well, at least in my time zone)
12:15	gregorycu	Thanks bruf
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12:16	* EvergreenTree	givees a blender kitten to sfan5
12:17	Jordach	EvergreenTree, :3
12:18	* Jordach	made Â£20
12:18	EvergreenTree	Recently I've been giving haskell a shot, as I think it would be good to learn functional programming
12:18	Jordach	exio4, ^
12:19	* Jordach	wouldn't mind SLI GTX Titan Zs
12:19	exio4	Jordach, what!
12:19	EvergreenTree	I wouldn't mind them either,but that seems a bit overkill
12:20	Jordach	exio4, think of all that rendering power
12:20	EvergreenTree	Jordach: You could easily get more than enough rendering power with a single gpu
12:20	exio4	Jordach, I'd go with all that money to hdds, ram, cpu...
12:20	Jordach	exio4, my end all build is Quad Intel Xeons
12:21	exio4	lol intel xeons
12:21	EvergreenTree	You know those aren't really made for desktops right? :P
12:21	exio4	so what
12:21	Jordach	EvergreenTree, my infinite disposable income allows for this shit
12:21	EvergreenTree	Well, if you want to do it, that's fine
12:22	exio4	the difference between "intel desktops cpus" and "intel server cpus" is the number of locked and unlocked features
12:22	exio4	you never get all of them
12:22	Jordach	EvergreenTree, i might actually get a framerate in Assassins Creed Unity
12:22	exio4	only a subset, like VTx-d, overclocking, ECC ram, ...
12:23	EvergreenTree	Has anyone else here had any experience with functional programming languages? I'm curious
12:23	exio4	\o EvergreenTree
12:24	EvergreenTree	Would haskell be a good starting language for that, or would another language be prefferable?
12:24	Krock	lua?
12:24	EvergreenTree	Krock: That's not what I'm thinking
12:24	exio4	what are your previous skills in the programming world?
12:25	EvergreenTree	Python, a bit of c/c++ and various other OOP languages
12:25	EvergreenTree	like lua
12:25	exio4	yeah, I think it is good :P
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12:26	EvergreenTree	Thanks. I just thought it would be intereesting to try something new
12:27	exio4	Haskell is kind of new in the sense of development, the core language is really conservative, but there are lots of "standard" new extensions that are really powerful and mind blowing
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14:27	hoodedice	Hello everyminer!
14:27	hoodedice	http://i.imgur.com/CnKS5EM.png
14:29	hoodedice	uh, sorry, wrong pic; http://imgur.com/gallery/Q8nDABi
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14:37	Krock	xD
14:40	ElectronLibre	(hoodedice, everyone can, at least, be happy to celebrate christmas with their families (if they have..), no matter what they believe in.)
14:40	hoodedice	but it is haraaaaaaaaaam
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14:42	SylvieLorxu	Happy whatever you celebrate :D
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14:43	hoodedice	... I celebrate new minetest realease days
14:43	hoodedice	but it seems we missed one
14:44	ElectronLibre	The developpers themselves don't know if they are gonna release it today.. ._.
14:45	exio4	sounds like previous year
14:46	Jordach	/msg #minetest-dev release 0.4.11!!!!111!!
14:48	Krock	Jordach, see latest git commit
14:48	Jordach	link pls
14:48	Krock	!git
14:48	MinetestBot	someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Git, please go to: http://git-scm.com/book/
14:49	Krock	no no, MinetestBot!
14:49	Krock	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/3f83ca
14:49	ElectronLibre	Jordach: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/3f83ca29d3cbe9d283c11ab836cc24b2cb99539d
14:49	Krock	ninja'd
14:50	Jordach	ChanServ pls
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14:51	Zeno`	hang on... 0.4.11 has been released?
14:51	Jordach	yesh
14:52	Zeno`	where? :(
14:52	Jordach	[14:49:15] <Krock> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/3f83ca
14:53	Zeno`	there are no builds for that though
14:53	ElectronLibre	Yet Jordach, there is nothing new on http://minetest.net/downloads, neither on http://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases
14:53	ElectronLibre	(http://minetest.net/download sorry)
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14:54	Jordach	sfan5, Krock do yer thing
14:54	Zeno`	there is no 0.4.11 branch
14:54	SylvieLorxu	Hmm, updates
14:54	SylvieLorxu	"git pull" :D
14:54	Jordach	Zeno`, stable-0.4
14:54	ElectronLibre	(I suppose he means "Create branch, tags, and compile."
14:55	exio4	ghost release
14:55	* ElectronLibre	adds an )
14:56	Zeno`	hmmm made that commit in preparation for the release and then nothing happened
14:56	Zeno`	AFAIK
14:57	* Krock	slaps Jordach with his build
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15:15	hoodedice	I'm considering that 0.4.11 is NOT out
15:15	hoodedice	yet
15:16	hoodedice	so not updating twatter
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15:18	hoodedice	ohai proller
15:18	mitrom	hi troller
15:18	mitrom	proller even
15:18	proller	hi
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16:00	Jordach	VanessaE, pls
16:01	hoodedice	wat
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16:02	VanessaE	hi
16:02	VanessaE	brb
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16:39	shadowzone	Jordach: must be Christmas
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16:39	* Jordach	adds more kittens to BFD
16:45	Jordach	to pass out or not
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17:01	acerspyro	Dam shit motherfucker
17:01	acerspyro	Compiled minetest, now it will only use /usr/local/ as its home dir.
17:02	acerspyro	Is it a compile-time option or something? I want it to run from ~/.minetest
17:03	acerspyro	Btw, I ultimately fail to see the point with texture filtering with low res texture packs.
17:03	ElectronLibre	Have you tried with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1?
17:03	Jordach	acerspyro, go check out HDX
17:04	acerspyro	ElectronLibre, Yup
17:04	acerspyro	That's what I used cmake with
17:04	acerspyro	Jordach, HDX?
17:04	Jordach	!g minetest HDXC
17:04	MinetestBot	Jordach: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=19702
17:04	Jordach	even better
17:04	* Jordach	pets MinetestBot
17:04	acerspyro	How many of you are french speakers?
17:05	Megaf	Merry Christmas folks!
17:05	acerspyro	You too
17:05	acerspyro	:D
17:06	Megaf	:D
17:06	ElectronLibre	(You can go to #minetest-fr to speak french)
17:06	acerspyro	Naw, no problem
17:06	acerspyro	Was just asking, since I saw your name and I knew Calinou was french
17:06	Megaf	This year is our first Christmas living together in our own (rented) apartment.
17:06	acerspyro	I'm quebecois
17:07	* ElectronLibre	wonders what is Calinou's idle time.
17:07	exio4	/whois <nick> <nick>
17:07	* ElectronLibre	doesn't even see Calinou connected.
17:07	exio4	oh
17:07	acerspyro	12:07:11: ERROR[main]: Provided world path doesn't exist: /usr/local/bin/../worlds/world
17:07	acerspyro	12:07:11: ERROR[main]: Error writing configuration file: "/usr/local/bin/../minetest.conf"
17:07	acerspyro	acerspyroFORTH212:~/.minetest$
17:07	acerspyro	Calinou never heard of /quit, he always resets the connection.
17:07	ElectronLibre	^ exio4, whois is the first command I've learnt to use, after /me. And it's the one I use the most.
17:08	ElectronLibre	I suppose he just closes the window / shutdowns his computer.
17:08	acerspyro	lol
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17:08	acerspyro	In #redeclipse, he usually gives a shitty reply to something we tell him, then he rageuits.
17:08	exio4	sounds like a normal calinou
17:09	acerspyro	lol
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17:15	shadowzone	Calinou is a girl?
17:15	Jordach	yes.
17:15	shadowzone	Look at that, you learn something new everyday.
17:17	* ElectronLibre	discovered a new way to avoid loggingbot_ to register what he says.
17:17	shadowzone	So, what's with the [off] thing?
17:17	Jordach	prepending messages with that turns loggingbot_ off for that message
17:18	shadowzone	cool
17:19	exio4	Jordach, I don't trust you
17:20	* shadowzone	meows at Jordach
17:20	ElectronLibre	See : http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2014-12-25#i_4079117
17:20	shadowzone	cool
17:21	Jordach	exio4, hacking electronics is old hat, hacking people is new hat
17:25	acerspyro	Calinou's a girl?
17:25	acerspyro	Huh.
17:26	exio4	if Jordach removed the s I would say Jordach right, otherwise I am not sure Â¯\_(ãƒ„)_/Â¯
17:27	Jordach	exio4, eh?
17:27	Jordach	what "s"
17:27	exio4	she -> he
17:27	exio4	s/right/is right/
17:28	hoodedice	wat
17:28	hoodedice	Calinou is a girl!
17:28	hoodedice	?!
17:28	acerspyro	General panic.
17:28	acerspyro	:D
17:28	hoodedice	ohai acerspyro
17:28	acerspyro	hoodedice, hi
17:29	acerspyro	I still didn't manage to get minetest to use ~/.minetest instead of /usr/local/
17:29	* ElectronLibre	imagines Calinou would turn very angry if he saw that.
17:29	acerspyro	she*
17:30	hoodedice	Calinou is a girl?!
17:30	hoodedice	!g calinou
17:30	MinetestBot	hoodedice: https://github.com/Calinou
17:30	ElectronLibre	(For voxels' sake stop repeating that :x...)
17:30	Jordach	Calinou has once posted her DA page by accident
17:30	acerspyro	I never voice chatted with cal
17:30	Jordach	ElectronLibre, deviantart
17:31	hoodedice	" Neither of these organisms approved your â€œlicenseâ€" -- Calinou
17:31	hoodedice	> organisms
17:31	* ElectronLibre	creates the customized command : off => [off] &2
17:31	hoodedice	typo of the year, Calinou
17:31	acerspyro	Comes from Calinours, it's carebear in french.
17:32	Jordach	acerspyro, including "Hug"
17:32	hoodedice	ew care bear
17:32	acerspyro	Yeah
17:32	acerspyro	Caliner
17:33	hoodedice	what is [off]?
17:33	acerspyro	it's mosquito spraty
17:33	acerspyro	spray*
17:33	ElectronLibre	off = not registered by loggingbot_.
17:33	hoodedice	ooooooH
17:33	Jordach	ElectronLibre, hyrbid data mining and personality analysis
17:33	ElectronLibre	see => http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/today
17:33	hoodedice	!irc
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17:34	ElectronLibre	It disables loggingbot_ from registering the message in the logs.
17:35	acerspyro	hoodedice, The IRC bot records the chat, with the off tag, it doesn't record
17:35	acerspyro	Nothing magical
17:35	hoodedice	why did I know of this before?
17:35	acerspyro	I'd like it to be something like
17:35	hoodedice	*didn't
17:35	acerspyro	\\ Hi, hidden chat
17:35	acerspyro	Quicker than typing [off]
17:35	hoodedice	even better
17:35	hoodedice	a seperate channel
17:35	ElectronLibre	That's why I've created a customized command.
17:35	acerspyro	no
17:36	ElectronLibre	/off <message> => msg <current_channel> [off] <message>
17:38	* ElectronLibre	loves the way when he reads a off message he can hear whispers in his minds.
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17:39	ElectronLibre	It's "ne" hoodedice.
17:41	exio4	I'll kill acerspyro, hoodedice and ElectronLibre
17:41	ElectronLibre	What did I do? ._.
17:41	acerspyro	exio4, ty, I guess that solves the problem
17:41	exio4	just stop using [off]
17:42	hoodedice	for using [off], I guess?
17:42	acerspyro	ok
17:42	hoodedice	ah yes
17:42	acerspyro	[on] Hi
17:42	ElectronLibre	Ok, we all stop.
17:42	acerspyro	right
17:42	acerspyro	So.................
17:42	acerspyro	What about my issue where it will only run from /usr/local?
17:44	hoodedice	something something windows 8.1 is better something
17:44	acerspyro	something something yourself
17:44	hoodedice	love yourself?
17:44	hoodedice	k
17:45	acerspyro	lol
17:45	hoodedice	brb
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17:46	harrison	the sword that executeth the law is in it, and not above it -- james harrington
17:49	harrison	01,09memehopper
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17:49	acerspyro	Konversation?
17:50	acerspyro	11,07Konversation Rocks!
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17:51	hoodedice	...je ne parle pas francais...
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18:04	benoliver999	Merry Christmas Minetesters! http://b999.me/b
18:04	LittleJoe	same to you XD
18:09	Krock	benoliver999, your cerftivicate isn't valid
18:09	Krock	*certificate
18:10	benoliver999	Ugh yeah I'm sorry, it's just a little site. I use a Gandi cert but it gets rejected on a few clients
18:10	benoliver999	It's just a crappy pixel art santa anyway
18:11	Krock	k
18:11	* Jordach	eats more alcoholic chocolate
18:12	* Krock	doesn't want to see a drunk Jordach
18:12	Jordach	you're not ma family
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18:17	acerspyro	<redroid> acerspyro: Jordach is the Sam II in our screwed up family
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18:20	Jordach	Sokomine_, nice disconnect
18:20	mitrom	yup
18:22	* Jordach	programs in the spawning for the kittens
18:22	sfan5	!op
18:23	Jordach	hai der sfan5
18:23		Topic for #minetest is now Latest stable version is 0.4.10, 0.4.11 will be released soon \| Responses may take a while so please wait. \| Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules \| Development: #minetest-dev \| Server list: http://minetest.net/servers \| Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| Use https://mediacru.sh for images and http://pastie.org for text.
18:23	sfan5	!deop
18:23	sfan5	hi
18:24	hoodedice	hai sfan
18:24	hoodedice	did you report that bug?
18:24	sfan5	hoodedice: i did not quite understand the bug
18:25	hoodedice	were the wielditem textures not messed up when shaders are on?
18:25	sfan5	yes
18:25	sfan5	thats already in the bugtracker
18:25	hoodedice	oh okay thanks
18:26	hoodedice	also
18:26	hoodedice	psst
18:26	hoodedice	Calinou is a girl
18:27	ElectronLibre	And?
18:27	acerspyro	He's got a problem with women.
18:27	acerspyro	>:[
18:27	sfan5	guys pls
18:29	Jordach	acerspyro, hoodedice is from India :P
18:29	hoodedice	I lived in the UAE
18:29	acerspyro	and?
18:30	* ElectronLibre	meows at sfan5
18:30	* sfan5	bites ElectronLibre
18:30	Jordach	(that was my estimate by ~1000 miles)
18:30	* acerspyro	licks everyone in the room
18:30	ElectronLibre	Ouch, why?
18:30	acerspyro	ElectronLibre, He thinks you're tasty
18:31	benoliver999	Krock: did you accept the cert? If not, would you mind giving it another go please? http://b999.me/b
18:31	benoliver999	I think I hadn't installed the intermediate cert properly
18:33	sfan5	benoliver999: the cert works for me
18:33	sfan5	!seen sapier
18:33	MinetestBot	sfan5: sapier was last seen at 2014-08-25 05:57:29 UTC on #minetest
18:33	hoodedice	dat link tho
18:33	benoliver999	Thanks man
18:33	benoliver999	hoodedice: ?
18:33	hoodedice	nothing
18:33	benoliver999	Sorry it's christmas, my food coma is making me slow
18:34	Jordach	^ same here with alcohol
18:34	acerspyro	Yall got too much to drink
18:34	benoliver999	Time for a top up
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18:36	acerspyro	I still have the same minetest problem
18:36	acerspyro	:C
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18:40	acerspyro	got it
18:40	acerspyro	was in ./bin
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18:44	acerspyro	,lc
18:44	acerspyro	Is the local server supposed to be laggy?
18:44	Jordach	acerspyro, err nope
18:44	acerspyro	Segmentation fault.
18:44	acerspyro	:S
18:44	Jordach	Minetest_Game has been like that for a while now
18:45	acerspyro	This is dreambuilder
18:45	Jordach	then most definitely
18:45	hoodedice	Jordach: I told him minetest had improved
18:45	hoodedice	comparatively
18:45	Jordach	BFD on my quad core hasn't had any issues with speed on 64bi
18:45	Jordach	bit
18:45	acerspyro	Well, I have an acceptable FPS
18:45	Jordach	despite having the worst fucking ABMs ever devised
18:45	acerspyro	about 50-60
18:46	acerspyro	But the server is slow
18:46	acerspyro	I press q, item drops 2 seconds later
18:46	acerspyro	segfaulted again
18:46	Jordach	acerspyro, ./minetestserver then join it
18:46	acerspyro	This world segfaults as soon as I join it
18:46	Jordach	using 127.0.0.1 port 30000
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18:49	acerspyro	I get some LUA errors in the server console
18:50	Jordach	there we go]
18:50	Jordach	drop me a pastie
18:50	sfan5	acerspyro: Lua not LUA
18:50	acerspyro	I tend to capitalize stuff
18:51	sfan5	YOU TEND TO CAPITITALIZE STUFF?
18:51	acerspyro	lol
18:51	sfan5	LUA is still incorrect
18:51	hoodedice	lUA is more correct, in fact
18:51	acerspyro	http://pastie.org/9798702
18:51	acerspyro	Jordach, ^
18:51	sfan5	hoodedice: no, it's Lua
18:52	hoodedice	sfan, jk
18:52	Jordach	acerspyro, those aren't bugs
18:52	hoodedice	y so sirius?
18:52	Jordach	there small issues that could makes mods faster
18:52	acerspyro	client segfaulted
18:52	acerspyro	No error, no nothing, just segfault
18:53	sfan5	use gdb
18:53	acerspyro	I am
18:54	Krock	!LUA
18:54	Krock	mhm there should be a command which returns a link to the LUA repo on github
18:55	hoodedice	!pil
18:55	MinetestBot	someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
18:55	hoodedice	I love MinetestBot's retorts
18:55	acerspyro	0x00000000006c70db in mapblock_mesh_generate_special(MeshMakeData*, MeshCollector&) ()
18:55	Krock	hoodedice, that's not LUA.
18:55	hoodedice	!tell MinetestBot I love you
18:55	MinetestBot	I'm not dumb, you know?
18:55	sfan5	acerspyro: use a debug build
18:55	acerspyro	I am
18:55	hoodedice	!g LUA git
18:55	MinetestBot	hoodedice: https://github.com/LuaDist/lua
18:56	acerspyro	It has debug symbols
18:56	Krock	hmm quite hard to find LUA
18:56	acerspyro	I'm being disturbed, what's the command to save a trace
18:56	Krock	https://github.com/mniip/LUA
18:56	sfan5	hoodedice: https://github.com/mniip/LUA
18:56	hoodedice	ahahahaha
18:56	hoodedice	this is nice
18:56	Krock	ninja'd
18:57	sfan5	acerspyro: do 'bt pull' and pastebin the outpud
18:57	sfan5	output*
18:57	acerspyro	full*?
18:57	sfan5	yes
18:58	acerspyro	http://pastie.org/9798707
18:59	sfan5	acerspyro: it does not have debug symbols
18:59	sfan5	(at least not minetest)
18:59	acerspyro	What do you mean
18:59	acerspyro	It would show stuff like (??) if it didn't
18:59	acerspyro	oh
18:59	sfan5	wrong
18:59	sfan5	it says No symbol table info available.
18:59	acerspyro	no symbol table info available
18:59	acerspyro	How do I make a debug build
19:00	sfan5	recompile minetest with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug
19:00	acerspyro	this is the cmake
19:01	Jordach	cmake . -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1
19:01	Jordach	try that in a folder on the desktop or whereever
19:01	acerspyro	did
19:02	acerspyro	building now
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19:02	acerspyro	I never used cmake to build before
19:09	harrison	a shetland pony walks into a bar.
19:09	harrison	the bartender says "Gee, I think there is a virus going around...
19:09	harrison	because I am also a little hoarse!"
19:11	acerspyro	ok here we go
19:11	hoodedice	a horse walks into a bar.
19:13	acerspyro	27948 lines of debug info?
19:13	acerspyro	really?
19:14	acerspyro	2.3 mb of debug info :D
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19:15	acerspyro	pastie only does up to 64kb
19:17	hoodedice	later people
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19:17	acerspyro	Jordach, Is a debug trace supposed to be that big?
19:17	acerspyro	https://www.dropbox.com/s/8zl1htx0jaa09g4/mt_gdb.txt?dl=0
19:18	sfan5	acerspyro: it usually isn't that big
19:18	acerspyro	haha
19:18	sfan5	so
19:18	acerspyro	This is epic huge
19:19	acerspyro	oh
19:19	acerspyro	It has info for each single loaded tile in the game
19:19	sfan5	collector=...
19:19	sfan5	p = <optimized out>
19:19	sfan5	how useful
19:19	acerspyro	lol
19:20	acerspyro	how would I compile without optimizing?
19:22	sfan5	acerspyro: -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS='-O0'
19:22	acerspyro	you want useful info?
19:22	acerspyro	It doesn't happen with default settings
19:23	acerspyro	Default graphics settings
19:23	acerspyro	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470 512 mb, FGLRX from repo, Ubuntu 14.10, KDE desktop
19:24	acerspyro	let me try all the options
19:24	acerspyro	wait
19:24	acerspyro	Nevermind, it still crashed after a while
19:25	acerspyro	sigh recompiling again
19:27	acerspyro	sfan5, to use 4 cores, you use -j5, right?
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19:35	acerspyro	gnuh
19:36	acerspyro	sfan5, still optimized out
19:37	acerspyro	cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS='-O0'
19:37	acerspyro	sudo make install -j5
19:37	acerspyro	is this right?
19:37	mitrom	-j200
19:38	acerspyro	nei
19:38	mitrom	Oh sorry
19:38	mitrom	247
19:39	acerspyro	Where'd sfan5 go?
19:40	mitrom	Rip
19:40	acerspyro	I figured.
19:40	acerspyro	Cat got squashed by a car.
19:41	acerspyro	Here's a lame joke
19:42	acerspyro	Q: What do you call someone who talks all the time when they get run over by a car?
19:42	acerspyro	A: Buffer overrun
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19:48	Jordach	i should stop being masochistic in my programming http://paste.debian.net/138083
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19:50	grendal_prime	hey kids got asus tablets, will this run on them?
19:50	Krock	Jordach, use group kitten=1
19:50	acerspyro	grendal_prime, I think
19:50	Jordach	Krock, too lazy to extend simple mobs
19:50	Krock	grendal_prime, depends on the OS
19:50	Jordach	grendal_prime, yes
19:50	acerspyro	^
19:50	acerspyro	what os
19:50	grendal_prime	they are running somthing called multicraft it works good but will not connect to the mintest server
19:50	Jordach	(Android has builds availible, but if it's Windows RT, there's no such luck)
19:51	grendal_prime	jellybean android i believe
19:51	acerspyro	Should work
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19:51	grendal_prime	how do the controls work?
19:51	Krock	Yeah. Try to install an android minetest build
19:51	Krock	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=9389
19:51	Jordach	grendal_prime, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/download/0.4.10/Minetest-0.4.10-android-armeabi.apk.zip
19:51	Krock	always those ninjas..
19:51	acerspyro	In theory, it should be self-explaining, but I haven't tried it myself.
19:52	Jordach	the easiest way to get minetest going is on Droid]
19:52	Jordach	you install it and you're done
19:53	* Krock	can't stop watching star trek episodes today...
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20:01	grendal_prime	Jordach, thats what im trying to do
20:01	grendal_prime	i got the apk file.
20:01	grendal_prime	i put it on the droid and execute it somehow?
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20:02	luizrpgluiz	hi
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20:02	grendal_prime	sorry guys other than the very consumerlevel methods on android im kinda clueless
20:02	grendal_prime	i use it every day but i dont dink outside the interface.
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20:09	Jordach	i must be wasted
20:09	* Jordach	notices HTML5 + Firefox going through his Virtual Audio Filter, but not normal media players
20:10	Sokomine	Jordach: if you said anything before it probably got lost :-( my ssd went on vacation again....
20:10	Jordach	Sokomine, aye
20:11	Jordach	Sokomine, i finally got kittens spawning and made a microAPI on top of simple mobs to make them easier to make
20:11	Sokomine	it switches into read-only mode. logfiles and other files can no longer be written :-(
20:11	Jordach	Sokomine, power saving is the highest cause
20:11	Sokomine	kittens spawning sounds very good! where are they?
20:12	Jordach	http://paste.debian.net/138083
20:12	Sokomine	not in a desktop. a ssd should not go into read-only mode for no apparent reason
20:12	Jordach	Sokomine, check power saving features just in case
20:13	Sokomine	Jordach: can the kittens be seen on your server already?
20:13	Jordach	yes
20:13	Jordach	provided that buildings have those specific nodes
20:13	Sokomine	they are kitten-spawners?
20:13	Sokomine	do they keep looking for a potential cat-feeder when spawning? :)
20:14	Jordach	Sokomine, those nodes you can find kittens on
20:14	Jordach	they want somewhere warm and soft to nap on
20:15	* Jordach	realises his storage basement will end up with kittens inside
20:16	Jordach	Sokomine, they'll even sleep on furnaces if they're active
20:16	Sokomine	g
20:17	Jordach	except they're smart enough not to go in :)
20:18	grendal_prime	ok installed works great on the android. Still does not want to connect to my server though. hmmm
20:18	grendal_prime	looks like multicraft is basically a renamed version of mintest for android.
20:19	grendal_prime	uses same config files from what i can tell.
20:22	Johnsen2	Hello sokomine
20:22	Johnsen2	(ï½¡â—•â€¿â€¿â—•ï½¡) MERRY CHRISTMAS HO HO HO
20:22	Johnsen2	Hi Jordach... (ï½¡â—•â€¿â€¿â—•ï½¡) MERRY CHRISTMAS HO HO HO
20:22	Johnsen2	And to everyone else
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20:25	Johnsen2	bye gtg
20:25	Jordach	https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/commit/221e42cbd91971205373bfa5e3c89bff1849b3c2
20:26	Johnsen2	ill be back today
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20:47	sfan5	acerspyro: maybe its a different cmake flag
20:48	acerspyro	ah
20:48	acerspyro	There you are
20:51	acerspyro	I gotta go for the day, tho
20:51	acerspyro	cya
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21:20	Jordach	dammit, this wasn't meant to happen! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=165857#p165857
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21:29	kaeza	greetings
21:31	Jordach	grendal_prime, and they are illegal too
21:31	Krock	Jordach, wut happen
21:31	Krock	kaeza, merry xmas there!
21:31	Jordach	Krock, BFD 0.5 RC2
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21:32	Krock	Jordach, Y not edit RC1? Doing that silent.
21:36	kaeza	Merry Christmas Krock
21:36	kaeza	Merry Christmas all
21:36	Krock	^^
21:37	ElectronLibre	Merry christmas kaeza.
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21:48	Jordach	https://mediacru.sh/f6a2a1dfc02b vs https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9036 (In that spoiler section)
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21:53	Krock	Jordach, why not glasslike drawtype?
21:54	Jordach	Krock, where?!
21:54	* Krock	points at the windos
21:54	Krock	+w
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21:54	Jordach	which set of screenshots
21:55	Krock	here: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/u/ue0bOfyaCC14.png
21:55	Krock	wait. it's visible in all screenshots
21:55	Krock	except of the latest
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22:08	Jordach	Krock, that is glasslike
22:13	grendal_prime	Jordach, what are illegal?
22:13	Jordach	Multicraft, Worldbuilder etc
22:13	grendal_prime	damn it..something else is illegal? when will this ind.
22:13	Jordach	while the client i linked you is built by the developers without ads :)
22:14	grendal_prime	there is illegal stuff on the internet?
22:14	Jordach	yes, sometimes even in Google Play
22:14	grendal_prime	ya i get what you mean. Ya it seems the one you sent works fine its basically what we have installed on the ubuntu workstations here
22:15	Jordach	grendal_prime, eventually i may make it so you can turn touchscreen mode on if you have a surface tablet by a settings tab setting
22:15	grendal_prime	right so same build for all platforms....workstation and touch device.. makes sence
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22:17	grendal_prime	I wish i could get these memopads to mount an smb share..like acutally mount it so the kids could watch movies off of the movie share here.
22:18	grendal_prime	anyway thanks for the link the boy is pointing and killing zombies. He was having some sort of issue with the module browser tool, but he aparently found some other way to get the stuff he wanted.
22:19	Jordach	grendal_prime, /sdcard/minetest/mods/
22:20	Jordach	drop mods in there if need be, and you can always enable them via the configure world menu
22:20	grendal_prime	k thanks.
22:21	grendal_prime	you work allot with android os, is there an app that will actually mount a remote ciffs share onto the file system so the files can be accessed directly without download?
22:22	grendal_prime	this little limitation is so frustrating im thinking about installing ubuntu touch on one of these devices just to see how well it works.
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23:14	Jordach	Sokomine!
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23:25	carbust	still no delivery
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23:40	Johnsen2	Jordach, Lol he doesn't listen.....
23:48	T4im	is there any way to "block" tablet/phone users? there seems to be some innofficial client out there thats digging randomly when people do stuff in formspecs or something other non-digging related.. :/
23:48	Johnsen2	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMtuVP8Mj4o
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