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Jordach |
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SylvieLorxu |
"Sorry, this app only supports MP3s" |
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SylvieLorxu |
To the trash with it! |
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SylvieLorxu |
I don't even have a single MP3... |
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Jordach |
you know where libLAME is |
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SylvieLorxu |
I don't have MP3 support |
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Jordach |
ooh |
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Jordach |
today is the release of 0.4.11 |
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kaeza |
greetings |
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MinetestBot |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: State biome API heat and humidity noise parameters in positional format 4287480 http://git.io/biHViQ (2014-12-24T11:23:48+10:00) |
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Zeno` |
kaeza, is that checkbox bug still there? |
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* Jordach |
meows at kaeza |
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kaeza |
Zeno`, one sec |
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* kaeza |
purrs at Jordach |
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Jordach |
kaeza, seen the kitten mobs? |
| 02:00 |
kaeza |
nope. link? |
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JS|Laptop |
Jordach, Please unmute me on #minetest from where you see Onez server it's me johnsen on laptop. i dont want any trouble |
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Jordach |
there |
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JS|Laptop |
Thankyou. |
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Jordach |
kaeza, http://youtu.be/BjtY-0ai9ZE |
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JS|Laptop |
Uh |
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JS|Laptop |
Im trying to join #minetest but it seems to not work |
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JS|Laptop |
Jordach i left #minetest and trying to join again but it is not working |
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gregorycu |
But you're here? |
| 02:09 |
JS|Laptop |
Yes u left the other minetest |
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JS|Laptop |
Oh wair |
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JS|Laptop |
wait |
| 02:11 |
JS|Laptop |
There much better |
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JS|Laptop |
here ill be afk |
| 02:12 |
gregorycu |
The other minetest ey? |
| 02:15 |
Zeno` |
yep "the other minetest" :) |
| 02:18 |
kaeza |
Zeno`, lockup still happens |
| 02:18 |
Zeno` |
this is not good :) |
| 02:18 |
gregorycu |
How ya going Zeno, sorry about disappearing mid-chat about a week ago, internet fucked up, and then I went camping lol |
| 02:19 |
gregorycu |
Is this still the windows bug? |
| 02:20 |
Zeno` |
that's ok gregorycu |
| 02:20 |
Zeno` |
kaeza, I got a Windows toolchain working... but wrong compiler! (ugh) |
| 02:20 |
gregorycu |
Me too :( |
| 02:21 |
gregorycu |
Um... we think this is a race condition, right? |
| 02:21 |
kaeza |
Zeno`, "wrong compiler"? |
| 02:21 |
Zeno` |
there is speculation that it is... but *shrug* dunno |
| 02:21 |
gregorycu |
I'm guessing he, like me, is using visual studio |
| 02:21 |
gregorycu |
Not mingw |
| 02:21 |
Zeno` |
kaeza, yeah, I somehow ended up with "TDM" |
| 02:22 |
kaeza |
the what |
| 02:22 |
Zeno` |
tdm-gcc |
| 02:22 |
gregorycu |
uh... wtf is that? |
| 02:22 |
kaeza |
Zeno`, where did you get mingw? |
| 02:22 |
Zeno` |
anyway I couldn't replicate with tdm. The other thing I did differently was compiled all the libs myself |
| 02:23 |
Zeno` |
kaeza, I gave up installing MinGW and got Code::Blocks because it said MinGW was included (but it turned out to be TDM-GCC) |
| 02:23 |
kaeza |
Zeno`, http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/Installer/mingw-get/ |
| 02:23 |
gregorycu |
TDM looks to be a package with mingw |
| 02:24 |
Zeno` |
kaeza, are you going to be around for a bit? |
| 02:24 |
kaeza |
yep |
| 02:24 |
gregorycu |
Me too |
| 02:24 |
Zeno` |
ok well I'll reboot into Windows |
| 02:24 |
Zeno` |
may need directions :) |
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Zeno` |
ok |
| 02:25 |
Zeno` |
link again please? |
| 02:26 |
kaeza |
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/Installer/mingw-get/ |
| 02:26 |
Zeno` |
This will be my 6th and final copy of MinGW hopefully |
| 02:27 |
kaeza |
specifically, this one: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/latest/download |
| 02:27 |
kaeza |
err... http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/mingw/Installer/mingw-get-setup.exe |
| 02:27 |
Zeno` |
yep |
| 02:27 |
Zeno` |
installing... |
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gregorycu |
kaeza, do you know what procmon is? |
| 02:33 |
Zeno` |
I bet it's process monitor |
| 02:33 |
Zeno` |
:D |
| 02:33 |
gregorycu |
;) |
| 02:34 |
kaeza |
gregorycu, that looks useful |
| 02:35 |
gregorycu |
What I'm hoping is that it will show an error that will hint at what's going on |
| 02:35 |
gregorycu |
If it's a race condition |
| 02:36 |
Zeno` |
Pretty sure it's a bit higher level than that, but worth a shot I guess |
| 02:36 |
gregorycu |
Yeah |
| 02:36 |
Zeno` |
Anything is worth a shot at this point. Even beer |
| 02:36 |
gregorycu |
You think some XXXX is in order? |
| 02:36 |
Zeno` |
well, not XXXX.. How about something tasteful :D |
| 02:38 |
gregorycu |
Are you sure you're from queensland? |
| 02:38 |
Zeno` |
Positive |
| 02:39 |
Zeno` |
Apparently it's "Queensland's Beer" but I know of nobody who actually drinks it |
| 02:39 |
Zeno` |
ok! cmake time |
| 02:40 |
gregorycu |
Just like Fosters, being Australias beer |
| 02:42 |
kaeza |
WTH |
| 02:42 |
kaeza |
it does not lock up now under gdb |
| 02:42 |
gregorycu |
Race condition |
| 02:43 |
kaeza |
also, it's flooding the console with "warning: Invalid parameter passed to C runtime function." |
| 02:43 |
gregorycu |
Heizenbug |
| 02:43 |
gregorycu |
That could be... usual |
| 02:46 |
gregorycu |
Wait |
| 02:46 |
gregorycu |
Does it hang when it crashes? |
| 02:47 |
gregorycu |
If it does, attach the debugger AFTER it crashes |
| 02:47 |
kaeza |
it does not crash at all |
| 02:47 |
Zeno` |
well, that may explain why I was not reproducing it using gcc-tdm |
| 02:48 |
gregorycu |
I mean, when you're not attaching GDB to start off with |
| 02:48 |
Zeno` |
I wonder if it's DEBUG builds in general or LuaJIT |
| 02:49 |
gregorycu |
I better clarify, under any conditions can you get it to crash? |
| 02:51 |
kaeza |
no, it is rock solid (that's new for MT) |
| 02:51 |
kaeza |
don't understand what you mean |
| 02:53 |
Zeno` |
grrr |
| 02:53 |
Zeno` |
unit tests |
| 02:53 |
Zeno` |
built! |
| 02:53 |
Zeno` |
I told you it was gonna be 6th time lucky |
| 02:53 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 02:53 |
kaeza |
inb4 SIGSEGV |
| 02:54 |
Zeno` |
have to rebuild. Forgot CURL support |
| 02:54 |
gregorycu |
hmm... |
| 02:56 |
gregorycu |
I may have found something |
| 02:57 |
gregorycu |
I'm taking a look at serverlist.cpp |
| 02:58 |
gregorycu |
There is no locking in that file |
| 02:58 |
gregorycu |
However, two different threads use those functions |
| 03:02 |
Zeno` |
sheesh, you'd better not fix it before I even get a working build considering I rebooted into Windows and everything! |
| 03:02 |
Zeno` |
j/k :P |
| 03:06 |
gregorycu |
Even if I found a problem, I can't be sure it's THE problem |
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| 03:16 |
Zeno` |
Does it have to be THE problem? |
| 03:16 |
Zeno` |
Can't we just fix something random? |
| 03:20 |
Zeno` |
umm kaeza |
| 03:20 |
Zeno` |
I am not getting the lockup |
| 03:20 |
kaeza |
huh |
| 03:20 |
Zeno` |
the only difference I can think of now is the libs: I built them and didn't use sfan5 |
| 03:20 |
Zeno` |
s |
| 03:21 |
Zeno` |
there was one I didn't build myself but that's all... it's in the issue |
| 03:21 |
kaeza |
then it means one of sfan5's libs is busted |
| 03:21 |
Zeno` |
I dunno, but my build works |
| 03:22 |
kaeza |
but that's other problem |
| 03:24 |
gregorycu |
Yeah, I can't trigger the problem |
| 03:24 |
gregorycu |
With sleeps etc. |
| 03:26 |
kaeza |
Zeno`, while you're on Windows, can you test sfan's build to see if you can reproduce? |
| 03:26 |
kaeza |
(linked in the issue) |
| 03:26 |
gregorycu |
Where is the build? |
| 03:27 |
gregorycu |
I couldn't reproduce with that build, 32 nor 64 bit |
| 03:27 |
gregorycu |
Good luck Zeno |
| 03:27 |
kaeza |
so WTH is going on here |
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gregorycu |
kaeza: So, you can reproduce? |
| 03:39 |
gregorycu |
If so, are you able to attach gdb after it's segved |
| 03:39 |
gregorycu |
And then print the stack? |
| 03:43 |
Zeno` |
I don't think it segfaults |
| 03:43 |
Zeno` |
from the issue description it just gets stuck in an infinite loop |
| 03:44 |
Zeno` |
but I can't get it to do anything unexpected. Probably the first time in a long time I wish it'd segfault lol |
| 03:44 |
gregorycu |
We need kaeza to "breakin" and do a stackdump |
| 03:45 |
gregorycu |
When it's happening |
| 03:45 |
Zeno` |
yep |
| 03:45 |
gregorycu |
Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be here, I don't know if he can repro or not |
| 03:46 |
Zeno` |
At least I can build on Windows with all three compilers now |
| 03:46 |
Zeno` |
:D |
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hmmmm |
what's the build this happens with? |
| 03:47 |
hmmmm |
I'll try to reproduce it |
| 03:47 |
hmmmm |
hopefully minetest will run in a vm |
| 03:48 |
Zeno` |
hmmmm, umm... kaeza's build (is it on the forum?) |
| 03:48 |
kaeza |
Zeno`, hmmmm, there's a build linked in the first post of the issue |
| 03:49 |
gregorycu |
kaeza: Are you able to do a breakin and stackdump? |
| 03:49 |
Zeno` |
Maybe I should try and make a build using sfan5's pre-built libs |
| 03:49 |
kaeza |
this one https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/minetest-0.4.11-rc1-win32.7z |
| 03:50 |
kaeza |
gregorycu, I have no idea how to use gdb besides basic stuff |
| 03:50 |
gregorycu |
kaeza: Neither do I |
| 03:50 |
gregorycu |
But it shouldn't be difficult at all |
| 03:51 |
hmmmm |
32 bit or 64 bit?? |
| 03:51 |
gregorycu |
https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Attach.html |
| 03:51 |
kaeza |
hmmmm, the issue on GH does not specify which; I have 32 bits here |
| 03:52 |
gregorycu |
And then https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Backtrace.html#Backtrace |
| 03:52 |
hmmmm |
you were able to repro with that? |
| 03:52 |
kaeza |
yeah |
| 03:52 |
hmmmm |
what is the chance of success in reproducing do you observe? |
| 03:53 |
hmmmm |
is it like 1 in 20? |
| 03:53 |
kaeza |
100% |
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kaeza |
(it is fixed as specified in the issue by entering a SP world and leaving) |
| 03:54 |
hmmmm |
so if it works for me the first time, I shouldn't have a problem reproducing it after that |
| 03:55 |
hmmmm |
woot |
| 03:55 |
gregorycu |
! |
| 03:55 |
hmmmm |
OpenGL Warning: VBoxCrHgsmiCreate failed |
| 03:56 |
gregorycu |
Well, is it fucked? |
| 03:57 |
Zeno` |
the old VBoxCrHgsmiCreate failed bug, huh |
| 03:57 |
hmmmm |
i just check the public serverlist checkbox, right? |
| 03:57 |
gregorycu |
Start game, click that checkbox, try and start SP game |
| 03:57 |
hmmmm |
well regardless I found another unrelated bug |
| 03:57 |
kaeza |
hmmmm, yeah, but it locks up before showing the mainmenu if you have public_serverlist = true in .conf |
| 03:57 |
kaeza |
(it also*) |
| 03:57 |
hmmmm |
remind me: fix tab_server.lua:119 attempt to index local 'world' (a nil value) |
| 03:59 |
hmmmm |
lol |
| 03:59 |
hmmmm |
well it runs like shit but it actually runs in-game |
| 04:00 |
kaeza |
random: could it be related to number of CPUs? |
| 04:00 |
hmmmm |
yeah I'm not able to reproduce it at all |
| 04:00 |
gregorycu |
How many CPU's you ahve kaeza? |
| 04:00 |
hmmmm |
i'm assuming the GetDirListing() issue in that build was fixed?? |
| 04:00 |
kaeza |
I have a dual core here. AFAIK both you and Zeno` have something like octocores or something |
| 04:01 |
gregorycu |
hmmmm: It's getting discussed in #minetest-dev |
| 04:01 |
kaeza |
err quadcore |
| 04:01 |
gregorycu |
4 cores for me |
| 04:01 |
hmmmm |
ugh |
| 04:02 |
hmmmm |
cranking it up to 4 cpus.. |
| 04:03 |
hmmmm |
odd, windows isn't seeing the multiple cores |
| 04:03 |
gregorycu |
A single backtrace would be amazing |
| 04:04 |
kaeza |
gregorycu, I'm not sure how could I get a BT given that it doesn't segfault, and I'm not sure where to break either |
| 04:05 |
gregorycu |
What does it do? |
| 04:05 |
gregorycu |
Just get stuck? |
| 04:05 |
kaeza |
yes |
| 04:05 |
gregorycu |
When it gets stuck, backtrace is then |
| 04:05 |
gregorycu |
it |
| 04:05 |
gregorycu |
So, start the thing |
| 04:05 |
gregorycu |
Repro the bug |
| 04:05 |
gregorycu |
Then start gdb |
| 04:05 |
gregorycu |
Attach to the process, and then break |
| 04:05 |
gregorycu |
And then bt |
| 04:06 |
hmmmm |
you ctrl+c in the debugger |
| 04:06 |
hmmmm |
it'll break and then you do a bt full |
| 04:07 |
gregorycu |
The reason I really want you to do this is you're the only one that can repro, if you tell us what the stack looks like, we can narrow it down greatly |
| 04:13 |
kaeza |
I'm not able to get a useful backtrace from attaching |
| 04:13 |
kaeza |
#0 0x77583541 in ntdll!DbgBreakPoint () from C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll |
| 04:13 |
kaeza |
#1 0x775ed279 in ntdll!DbgUiRemoteBreakin () from C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll |
| 04:13 |
kaeza |
:/ |
| 04:13 |
hmmmm |
kaeza, try thread apply all bt full |
| 04:14 |
hmmmm |
you're attaching after it already froze?? |
| 04:15 |
hmmmm |
start it from within the debugger and then break when it freezes |
| 04:16 |
gregorycu |
He can't repro with gdb attached |
| 04:16 |
hmmmm |
o |
| 04:16 |
gregorycu |
Why can't he attach and break? |
| 04:16 |
hmmmm |
he can, but he's getting useless backtraces |
| 04:17 |
gregorycu |
I don't know enough about gdb, but he shouldn't be... |
| 04:17 |
kaeza |
if MT is run directly from gdb it does not freeze |
| 04:17 |
kaeza |
hmmmm, https://gist.github.com/kaeza/a631fd73040bf77a02ab |
| 04:18 |
hmmmm |
lol it doesn't give you any backtrace information above system library calls |
| 04:19 |
gregorycu |
... |
| 04:20 |
gregorycu |
It's like it's deliberately being an arsehole |
| 04:22 |
hmmmm |
maybe we can make educated guesses and add print statements around where we suspect might be the problem |
| 04:22 |
hmmmm |
watch this make it not freeze^ |
| 04:23 |
gregorycu |
So do we know why gdb is not being that helpful? |
| 04:23 |
hmmmm |
well it doesn't have anything to do with having symbols or not having symbols |
| 04:24 |
hmmmm |
above the system libraries the RA is 0 or 0x0000321 or something like that |
| 04:24 |
hmmmm |
it's having issues with unwinding the stack for whatever reason... i'm inclined to believe it's merely gdb retardation |
| 04:25 |
hmmmm |
can he try windbg or visual studio's debugger instead? |
| 04:25 |
hmmmm |
or ollydbg perhaps :-) |
| 04:26 |
gregorycu |
I would have suspected gdb would have been the best bet considering it was built with the mingw toolchain |
| 04:32 |
gregorycu |
kaeza: Can you paste your minetest config somewhere |
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| 04:39 |
kaeza |
https://gist.github.com/kaeza/d438aa47aeabdfbdd62b |
| 04:42 |
gregorycu |
Thanks |
| 05:05 |
hmmmm |
can confirm the missing stack frames are GDB retardation. |
| 05:05 |
hmmmm |
ollydbg does not have this issue |
| 05:06 |
hmmmm |
kaeza: if you're still there, try using ollydbg to get a backtrace |
| 05:06 |
gregorycu |
I gotta admit, I'm a little excited to find out what it is |
| 05:07 |
hmmmm |
sapier has made lots of bugs like this before :) it's probably a race condition on accessing globals |
| 05:08 |
gregorycu |
Why isn't he the one debugging this :P |
| 05:08 |
hmmmm |
he takes breaks from minetest for a while and then dips back in with rather high intensity |
| 05:08 |
hmmmm |
makes a flurry of super productive commits and then disappears |
| 05:08 |
gregorycu |
hmmmmm |
| 05:08 |
gregorycu |
Urgh, not you |
| 05:08 |
gregorycu |
Just thinking |
| 05:08 |
hmmmm |
i'm the same way though |
| 05:09 |
hmmmm |
my life hasn't been extremely busy though |
| 05:09 |
gregorycu |
Yeah, but it sucks when you create bugs |
| 05:09 |
hmmmm |
so minetest it is |
| 05:09 |
gregorycu |
What parts of minetest do you work on |
| 05:10 |
hmmmm |
mapgen |
| 05:10 |
gregorycu |
I want to get into the modapi |
| 05:10 |
gregorycu |
While making a mod |
| 05:10 |
hmmmm |
well that's not very interesting |
| 05:11 |
hmmmm |
everybody is into the modding api in the sense that whenever they add a feature to whatever their domain is, they have to add an api for it |
| 05:11 |
gregorycu |
Indeed |
| 05:11 |
gregorycu |
Ironically that's my job at my real job |
| 05:11 |
gregorycu |
I'm an architecture dude |
| 05:12 |
gregorycu |
Gotta provide features that people want |
| 05:12 |
gregorycu |
Without them getting too specific |
| 05:13 |
gregorycu |
What's the difference between a tool and a craft item? |
| 05:14 |
gregorycu |
Apart from the fact that a craftitem can't have wear |
| 05:14 |
hmmmm |
i have no idea |
| 05:14 |
gregorycu |
Not your domain :P |
| 05:15 |
hmmmm |
i never even made a mod :/ |
| 05:18 |
gregorycu |
Tools don't stack by the way |
| 05:19 |
hmmmm |
that's it? |
| 05:19 |
hmmmm |
that should not be the distinction between tools and items |
| 05:19 |
hmmmm |
that should be a parameter, "max stack" |
| 05:20 |
hmmmm |
that's how minecraft does it anyway... so you have some really "advanced" items that are allowed one item per stack, and then some "better than average item" that only allows 16 per stack, etc. |
| 05:20 |
gregorycu |
I'm beginning to think the distinction is useless |
| 05:20 |
gregorycu |
Or rather, arbitrary |
| 05:21 |
hmmmm |
haha lots of things are like this |
| 05:22 |
hmmmm |
there are constructs technically very close yet distinct because of historical reasons and then whatever distinguishing features were removed or shifted somewhere else |
| 05:22 |
hmmmm |
and then nobody merged them |
| 05:22 |
kaeza |
hmmmm, I'm getting a more useful BT, but all the symbols are in hex like `minetest.CAFEBABE` |
| 05:22 |
hmmmm |
kaeza: that's because you don't have the symbols loaded |
| 05:23 |
hmmmm |
which you won't have if that's a release build you're running |
| 05:23 |
kaeza |
it's a debug build |
| 05:23 |
hmmmm |
oh sweet |
| 05:24 |
kaeza |
running MT directly from ollydbg eliminates the freeze like in gdb, and attaching to the process just gives that |
| 05:24 |
hmmmm |
maybe you could go to those raw memory addresses in the disassembler window and check for some telltale strings and match the function that way |
| 05:25 |
kaeza |
I've tried running `nm` grepping for the addresses |
| 05:25 |
hmmmm |
hrmm, not sure why it's not reading the debug symbols since they're included in the executable |
| 05:25 |
gregorycu |
We are slowly making kaeza a developer |
| 05:25 |
kaeza |
this will take a while... |
| 05:26 |
kaeza |
hmmmm, does ollydbg support whatever debug info format gcc output? |
| 05:26 |
kaeza |
+s |
| 05:26 |
gregorycu |
Where did you get the build from? |
| 05:26 |
kaeza |
self-built |
| 05:26 |
hmmmm |
it should.. |
| 05:27 |
hmmmm |
yup basically you're right |
| 05:27 |
hmmmm |
ollydbg will only read symbols generated with msvc |
| 05:28 |
gregorycu |
lol |
| 05:28 |
gregorycu |
That's alright |
| 05:28 |
gregorycu |
Can we get a .map file |
| 05:28 |
gregorycu |
Is .map gcc or msvc |
| 05:28 |
hmmmm |
I think msvc |
| 05:29 |
gregorycu |
Looks like gcc too |
| 05:29 |
hmmmm |
oh cool |
| 05:29 |
gregorycu |
Anyway, a .map file contains a mapping between symbols and addresses |
| 05:29 |
gregorycu |
If we generate the map file, we can cross reference manually the addresses to the symbols |
| 05:30 |
hmmmm |
gotta rebuild it with -Map=output.map |
| 05:30 |
hmmmm |
rather -Xlinker -Map=output.map |
| 05:30 |
gregorycu |
We are getting closer |
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| 05:58 |
Zeno` |
gregorycu, just to distract you... are you able to create a new world? |
| 05:58 |
gregorycu |
Yes |
| 05:58 |
gregorycu |
v6 minetest ? |
| 05:59 |
* Zeno` |
sighs a big sigh of relief |
| 05:59 |
Zeno` |
anything |
| 05:59 |
Zeno` |
v6 is fine :) |
| 05:59 |
gregorycu |
Yep |
| 05:59 |
Zeno` |
thank @*$(@*$( |
| 05:59 |
gregorycu |
Just did it then |
| 05:59 |
Zeno` |
I am doing something wrong :) |
| 05:59 |
Zeno` |
Which is good (obviously) |
| 06:00 |
Zeno` |
It's been so long since I've used Window maybe I don't even have write permissions where I think I should |
| 06:00 |
gregorycu |
Wait |
| 06:02 |
gregorycu |
ERROR[main]: ServerMap::loadMapMeta(): could not open C:\Users\Greg\Documents\Visual Studio 2013\Projects\minetest\Release\..\worlds\Fun1\map_meta.txt |
| 06:02 |
gregorycu |
That error displays itself, but everything seems to play fine |
| 06:02 |
Zeno` |
yeah, but it should continue? |
| 06:02 |
Zeno` |
Yep, that is known |
| 06:02 |
Zeno` |
cool. Thanks |
| 06:02 |
gregorycu |
ok |
| 06:02 |
gregorycu |
Good |
| 06:03 |
gregorycu |
And when I delete it, GetDirListing: FindFirstFile error. Error is 267. |
| 06:03 |
gregorycu |
A stack of them in the console |
| 06:03 |
gregorycu |
it = world |
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Zeno` |
Yeah, SN has a patch for that |
| 06:05 |
gregorycu |
Ok |
| 06:05 |
Zeno` |
If you test he can merge |
| 06:05 |
Zeno` |
http://sprunge.us/CJYZ?diff |
| 06:05 |
Zeno` |
I'd test but I can't even create a new world :/ |
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gregorycu |
Yep, no more errors |
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gregorycu |
Want me to thumbs up it somewhere? |
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Zeno` |
yep |
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someguy_irc |
yo Zeno` |
| 06:20 |
Zeno` |
hiya ;) |
| 06:23 |
someguy_irc |
grrrr |
| 06:25 |
gregorycu |
He'll be back soon |
| 06:32 |
someguy_irc |
okay. |
| 06:33 |
someguy_irc |
!tell Zeno` you know I / MTZ-Basic misses Mesecons ;~; |
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MinetestBot |
someguy_irc: I'll pass that on when Zeno` is around |
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ThatGraemeGuy |
mesecons are too advanced for basic :p |
| 06:34 |
someguy_irc |
sorta but a new spark of opportunity. |
| 06:34 |
gregorycu |
What is Mesecons? |
| 06:34 |
kaeza |
hmmmm, the stack on ollydbg is the same as on GDB, except for some calls to JSemaphore::WaitEv |
| 06:34 |
someguy_irc |
Redstony in Minetest i.e Mesecony |
| 06:35 |
ThatGraemeGuy |
on VE-Survival cheapie has just laid a cable to the ziggurat Bluebird is building |
| 06:35 |
someguy_irc |
O.O |
| 06:35 |
kaeza |
I can provide copypaste of the various threads' stacks and map file if desired |
| 06:35 |
ThatGraemeGuy |
because ancient mesopotamia totally had nuclear power :) |
| 06:35 |
gregorycu |
kaeza: Yes, please do that |
| 06:35 |
gregorycu |
Maybe there should be a mintest_advanced |
| 06:35 |
gregorycu |
minetest |
| 06:36 |
ThatGraemeGuy |
there is |
| 06:36 |
ThatGraemeGuy |
it called "use minetest_game and add the mods you want" |
| 06:37 |
ThatGraemeGuy |
or use dreambuilder and go completely nuts with options |
| 06:37 |
gregorycu |
Yeah... |
| 06:39 |
kaeza |
gregorycu, hmmmm, call stacks: https://gist.github.com/kaeza/8620775e7d028fb3b793 | map file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a6asfmo9qsyzg64/debug.map.gz?dl=0 (~450KB) |
| 06:39 |
gregorycu |
Thank you |
| 06:46 |
gregorycu |
So, a lot of threads are waiting, that's to be expected |
| 06:46 |
gregorycu |
You have intel graphics |
| 06:46 |
kaeza |
yep |
| 06:47 |
gregorycu |
This looks opengl related, are you able to test with direct3d |
| 06:49 |
kaeza |
nope |
| 06:49 |
gregorycu |
No? |
| 06:50 |
kaeza |
both sfan's build and mine are built without D3D support |
| 06:50 |
kaeza |
(actually, Irrlicht) |
| 06:50 |
gregorycu |
What about software? |
| 06:51 |
kaeza |
huh |
| 06:51 |
gregorycu |
Software rendering |
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kaeza |
indeed it does not lock up with SW driver... |
| 06:51 |
gregorycu |
This looks to be something to do with intel's opengl driver |
| 06:51 |
gregorycu |
I don't know what, but it's a start |
| 06:52 |
gregorycu |
Are you able to paste details of your driver? |
| 07:00 |
kaeza |
not sure if this is enough: https://gist.github.com/kaeza/930247fcfd6ca9781e2e |
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gregorycu |
No that's good |
| 07:01 |
gregorycu |
So, in summary, we have a setting related to public server lists causing glBegin to hang |
| 07:01 |
gregorycu |
Fuck me |
| 07:02 |
gregorycu |
I need someone who understands how the graphics works here |
| 07:04 |
hmmmm |
huhh? |
| 07:04 |
hmmmm |
glBegin isn't the problem |
| 07:05 |
gregorycu |
Why not? |
| 07:05 |
hmmmm |
how is it even possible |
| 07:05 |
hmmmm |
seems like a red herring |
| 07:05 |
gregorycu |
Look at the callstacks |
| 07:05 |
gregorycu |
Who can repro, and who cannot |
| 07:05 |
gregorycu |
And what are the graphics cards of these people? |
| 07:05 |
gregorycu |
I have an ATI, can't repro |
| 07:06 |
gregorycu |
(bb in 20 min) |
| 07:06 |
hmmmm |
the threads we're looking at are 0001280, 00000bb4, 0000838, and 00001e4 |
| 07:07 |
hmmmm |
glBegin was calle from Irrlicht.69F8A1BF whatever that is |
| 07:07 |
hmmmm |
that's the main thread... is it the main thread freezing that's the issue? |
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hmmmm |
if i had the assembly output of those offsets i would probably figure out the call stack faster than i would trying to figure out how to manually apply a .map file to offsets |
| 07:14 |
hmmmm |
oh yay this was easier thani thought |
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gregorycu |
Those 4 threads are waiting for work |
| 07:19 |
gregorycu |
The main thread (assuming it's not spinning) looks stuck |
| 07:19 |
hmmmm |
well I think that's the cause of the freeze |
| 07:19 |
hmmmm |
they're all waiting for work |
| 07:20 |
gregorycu |
There is nothing wrong with that |
| 07:20 |
hmmmm |
but who's the producer |
| 07:20 |
hmmmm |
i feel like this is missing a huge chunk of the call frame |
| 07:20 |
hmmmm |
all of them are just calls to JSemaphore::Wait() |
| 07:20 |
gregorycu |
I don't know, but presumably the main thread sets it up after it's initialised the graphics |
| 07:21 |
gregorycu |
Shit |
| 07:21 |
gregorycu |
glBegin is a drawing function |
| 07:21 |
gregorycu |
Not an initialisation function |
| 07:21 |
hmmmm |
in any case I can't find 0x00409B64 in the map file |
| 07:22 |
hmmmm |
it would really be a lot quicker if we just looked at the disassembly at that address |
| 07:22 |
hmmmm |
kaeza, could you send me that exact binary you were using? |
| 07:22 |
kaeza |
hmmmm, one sec |
| 07:23 |
hmmmm |
oh durr |
| 07:23 |
hmmmm |
those JSemaphore::Waits are all called from AsyncEngine::getJob() |
| 07:23 |
gregorycu |
Job is just a task right? |
| 07:23 |
hmmmm |
it's some sapier thing |
| 07:23 |
gregorycu |
lol |
| 07:23 |
hmmmm |
oh duh |
| 07:24 |
gregorycu |
"some sapier thing" |
| 07:24 |
hmmmm |
no wonder why I couldn't find that address in the linker map |
| 07:24 |
hmmmm |
it's some function + an offset |
| 07:24 |
kaeza |
hmmmm, just the binary or the entire thing? |
| 07:24 |
hmmmm |
just the minetest.exe |
| 07:27 |
kaeza |
it will take a while with this crappy connection; the zip is 22M (82M unzipped) |
| 07:27 |
hmmmm |
incredible |
| 07:28 |
gregorycu |
huh? |
| 07:28 |
hmmmm |
ehm |
| 07:28 |
hmmmm |
nevermind that |
| 07:28 |
hmmmm |
it's only called from one place |
| 07:29 |
hmmmm |
so we have these 4 AsyncWorkerThreads that are doing nothing and the only other thread that can produce things is busy rendering |
| 07:30 |
gregorycu |
hmmm... |
| 07:30 |
gregorycu |
We should be expecting more threads |
| 07:30 |
hmmmm |
indeed |
| 07:30 |
hmmmm |
MAINMENU_NUM_ASYNC_THREADS == 4 |
| 07:31 |
gregorycu |
No |
| 07:31 |
gregorycu |
I mean, we should be expecting those dudes to Die |
| 07:31 |
gregorycu |
And get joined against the main thread |
| 07:31 |
hmmmm |
don't see why |
| 07:31 |
gregorycu |
And new threads to get spawned for the game |
| 07:31 |
hmmmm |
they just keep going on until stop is requested |
| 07:31 |
gregorycu |
ServerThread, ConnectionSend, ConnectionRecieve threads etc. |
| 07:31 |
hmmmm |
which is in the AsyncEngine dtor |
| 07:32 |
gregorycu |
Should be 7 threads |
| 07:32 |
gregorycu |
And a few ntdll ones |
| 07:32 |
hmmmm |
those don't exist until the IGameDefs are created |
| 07:33 |
gregorycu |
So, this is happening before those async threads are getting joinde |
| 07:33 |
hmmmm |
they get joined when the game starts |
| 07:34 |
gregorycu |
So this is happening before the game starts :P |
| 07:34 |
hmmmm |
obviously |
| 07:34 |
hmmmm |
this is probably completely obvious to the person who wrote it :p |
| 07:34 |
gregorycu |
Hey, I like to be explicit |
| 07:37 |
gregorycu |
... |
| 07:38 |
gregorycu |
AsyncEngine::~AsyncEngine() smells |
| 07:43 |
gregorycu |
I have an especially bad feeling about line 109 and 110 of jthread.h |
| 07:44 |
hmmmm |
what of it |
| 07:44 |
hmmmm |
in any case, that's definitely not related to the issue we're observing |
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gregorycu |
I'm not so quick to discount it |
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gregorycu |
Actually we probably can |
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gregorycu |
I really wish people wouldn't optimise stupid shit that has no impact on performance |
| 07:49 |
gregorycu |
I'm not sure destroying threads has to be lockfree |
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kaeza |
hmmmm, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/minetest.zip |
| 07:57 |
Zeno` |
I am guessing kaeza does not want to sleep |
| 07:57 |
kaeza |
hope that helps; pushing that through a 256kbps pipe is not exactly...uhh, fast |
| 07:58 |
gregorycu |
How quickly do you get the server list from the server? |
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kaeza |
gregorycu, most of the time it just times out |
| 07:58 |
gregorycu |
hmm... |
| 07:59 |
gregorycu |
That is worth simulating |
| 07:59 |
kaeza |
...should've said that before, right? |
| 07:59 |
gregorycu |
It's something I meant to check |
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kaeza |
Zeno`, was waiting for that upload to complete. I'll soon be off |
| 07:59 |
Zeno` |
:) |
| 08:00 |
Zeno` |
kaeza, but... you don't really need sleep |
| 08:00 |
Zeno` |
not for at least 2 weeks anyway |
| 08:00 |
Zeno` |
after that you kind of go crazy |
| 08:00 |
kaeza |
I have to "get up" in 2 hours :/ |
| 08:00 |
gregorycu |
curl |
| 08:00 |
Zeno` |
for work? |
| 08:01 |
kaeza |
yep |
| 08:01 |
* Zeno` |
is glad he is not in kaeza's shoes :/ |
| 08:01 |
gregorycu |
Work sucks |
| 08:01 |
gregorycu |
I can't work with anything less than 6 hours |
| 08:01 |
gregorycu |
I call in sick |
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kaeza |
I should complain to my boss. he's a real bastard |
| 08:02 |
kaeza |
in an unrelated topic, I'm self-employed |
| 08:03 |
gregorycu |
You bastard! |
| 08:03 |
* Zeno` |
goes and looks at the first bad commit again |
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kaeza |
okay, I'm off for today. good night all |
| 08:11 |
gregorycu |
Goodnight and thank you for the help |
| 08:11 |
kaeza |
sure :) |
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carbust |
does anyone sleep at nights? |
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Krock |
yes. |
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Calinou |
it is not night here right now :) |
| 09:34 |
Krock |
^ |
| 09:35 |
Krock |
although, I didn't sleep much this night :( |
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gregorycu |
I don't sleep |
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gregorycu |
I can sleep when I'm dead |
| 09:38 |
Krock |
ok |
| 09:38 |
redstonecraftPL |
hi, any idea why minetest freezes on joining to server? |
| 09:39 |
redstonecraftPL |
I try to join VanessaE survival |
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Krock |
redstonecraftPL, try to join VE realtest and you'll wait for 10 minutes and get an avvess violation after that |
| 09:39 |
Krock |
*access violation |
| 09:40 |
Krock |
or with some luck, you can join the server and lag out only 30s after joining |
| 09:40 |
* Krock |
's perspective |
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redstonecraftPL |
so JUST TRY JOINING? |
| 09:41 |
redstonecraftPL |
i have better idea |
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Calinou |
you have to be patient for data downloa |
| 09:41 |
Calinou |
+d |
| 09:41 |
Krock |
yeah. check if the server is online first |
| 09:41 |
Calinou |
however, some builds are buggy |
| 09:41 |
Calinou |
which operating system do you use? which build? |
| 09:42 |
gregorycu |
Out of interest, what do you guys work on? |
| 09:42 |
redstonecraftPL |
newest, 32bit, this left |
| 09:42 |
redstonecraftPL |
lets try this right |
| 09:43 |
Krock |
gregorycu, nothing. I've holidays those days. |
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Calinou |
newest, 0.4.10 or a daily build? |
| 09:43 |
Calinou |
Windows? |
| 09:44 |
redstonecraftPL |
yep, win32. On debian 64 bit it works fine xD |
| 09:44 |
sfan5 |
Zeno`: i could no reproduce the freezing issue with the win64 build |
| 09:45 |
redstonecraftPL |
But this is 32bit |
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Zeno` |
sfan5, I can't reproduce it either. This is terrible :) |
| 10:27 |
Krock |
Aargh. A 1:17 min video takes 15 minutes to upload >.< |
| 10:27 |
Krock |
only 22 MB, c'mon.... |
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TriBlade9 |
Merp |
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redstonecraftPL |
? |
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TriBlade9 |
Just droppin in |
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TriBlade9 |
Merry Christmas Eve! |
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redstonecraftPL |
thx |
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karamell |
how to disable whisper? |
| 11:59 |
mitrom |
Talk louder |
| 12:00 |
mitrom |
rm -fr |
| 12:00 |
mitrom |
it's rf ... |
| 12:01 |
mitrom |
my space bar is rather flappy right now |
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exio4 |
mitrom, -fr works too |
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exio4 |
rm -r -f == rm -f -r == rm -rf == rm -fr |
| 12:05 |
mitrom |
yup |
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SylvieLorxu |
"rm -fr" sounds like "remove french" |
| 12:08 |
exio4 |
I wouldn't use -fr, it would be like using -de! |
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gregorycu |
If only we could |
| 12:08 |
gregorycu |
If only we could |
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SylvieLorxu |
rm -gregorycu |
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mitrom |
lol |
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gregorycu |
I'm back |
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Zeno` |
2 hours until Christmas! |
| 12:11 |
gregorycu |
1 hour |
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gregorycu |
You idiot |
| 12:12 |
mitrom |
what |
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Zeno` |
1? |
| 12:12 |
mitrom |
are you high |
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gregorycu |
Can't you count |
| 12:12 |
gregorycu |
Yes |
| 12:12 |
Zeno` |
ok, 1 hr 53 minutes until Christmas! |
| 12:12 |
gregorycu |
It's 11PM where I am, in Melbourne |
| 12:12 |
gregorycu |
11:12PM to be exact |
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exio4 |
worst day of the year* |
| 12:12 |
exio4 |
also, over here, it is just 9am |
| 12:12 |
Zeno` |
yeah well, Melbourne has a bug |
| 12:12 |
mitrom |
yup |
| 12:12 |
gregorycu |
The love bug |
| 12:12 |
mitrom |
rm -rf christmas/ |
| 12:12 |
gregorycu |
And it's infectious |
| 12:13 |
Zeno` |
10:12PM here |
| 12:13 |
gregorycu |
See, that's just silly |
| 12:13 |
mitrom |
12:13 |
| 12:13 |
Zeno` |
Melbourne is on daylight savings to save coal during time of war (apparently) |
| 12:13 |
SylvieLorxu |
If someone speaks Dutch: http://www.speld.nl/2014/12/23/kerstalarm-afgegeven-voor-nederland/ |
| 12:13 |
gregorycu |
Also to enjoy more sun |
| 12:14 |
Zeno` |
gregorycu, yeah and make your curtains fade faster |
| 12:14 |
Zeno` |
too much sun == increase in curtain fade and also skin cancer |
| 12:14 |
gregorycu |
Not enough sun == Tasmanians |
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gregorycu |
I'll take the skin cancer thanks |
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exio4 |
what is that sun you are all talking about |
| 12:15 |
gregorycu |
Sol |
| 12:15 |
Zeno` |
Not to mention no "savings" at all because since WW2 things have changed and we no longer go to sleep when the sun goes down hehe |
| 12:15 |
exio4 |
I heard stories about it from some outsider, but I've never seen it! |
| 12:16 |
Zeno` |
I'm pretty happy about this release |
| 12:16 |
Zeno` |
if #2000 was included I'd be super happy, but I'm still happy |
| 12:18 |
Zeno` |
let's release it before crazy northern hemisphere people wake up |
| 12:18 |
gregorycu |
Yeah, I saw that |
| 12:18 |
gregorycu |
Looks good |
| 12:19 |
exio4 |
south people ftw! |
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* exio4 |
hugs Zeno` & gregorycu |
| 12:19 |
gregorycu |
Where you from exio4? |
| 12:19 |
Zeno` |
group hug! |
| 12:19 |
* Amaz |
is a crazy northern hemisphere person! |
| 12:20 |
Zeno` |
hehehe Amaz |
| 12:20 |
exio4 |
Argentina |
| 12:20 |
Zeno` |
Amaz, I am a crazy southern hemisphere person |
| 12:20 |
Amaz |
:D |
| 12:21 |
Amaz |
So is 0.4.11 going to be released today, all being well? |
| 12:22 |
Zeno` |
Can't think why not |
| 12:22 |
Zeno` |
it's a solid release (IMO) |
| 12:22 |
Amaz |
:D |
| 12:22 |
Amaz |
It has had ~2 weeks of feature freeze. |
| 12:22 |
Amaz |
So it had better be good ;) |
| 12:22 |
Zeno` |
(aka dev holiday) |
| 12:22 |
Zeno` |
lol, j/k |
| 12:22 |
Amaz |
XD |
| 12:23 |
Amaz |
And of course, it has all of your speed improvements, Zeno`! |
| 12:23 |
Zeno` |
all but one |
| 12:24 |
Zeno` |
even without that one it's more than 2x as fast as 0.4.10 so I'm not too fussed if the last one doesn't make it in. Although I'd like it to ;) |
| 12:24 |
Amaz |
:D |
| 12:25 |
Zeno` |
maybe more than 2x as fast. I'll profile after 0.4.11 is done heheh |
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Zeno` |
plus main.cpp and game.cpp are approaching readable now (instead of 3000 line functions hehe) |
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Amaz |
XD |
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exio4 |
the only readable code I ever saw so far, was written in Haskell |
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exio4 |
well, readable and beautiful! |
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exio4 |
if you write that C api Zeno`, I'll start to work in a Haskell interface |
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Zeno` |
I kinda put the C API on hold |
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Zeno` |
maybe next release... |
| 12:34 |
mitrom |
exio4, haskell is bad |
| 12:35 |
mitrom |
It's like the swahili of the programming world |
| 12:36 |
exio4 |
it is evil, yes, after you learn it, all languages look ugly and imperative |
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SylvieLorxu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRbY3TMUcgQ |
| 12:37 |
mitrom |
you talking about swahilians? |
| 12:37 |
mitrom |
or whatever they're called |
| 12:37 |
mitrom |
parasites |
| 12:37 |
exio4 |
also, why is it bad :p |
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mitrom |
I h8 haskell |
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mitrom |
its just |
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mitrom |
googling it crashed mozilla |
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SylvieLorxu |
mitrom: You use Mozilla? Interesting, not many people do |
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mitrom |
... |
| 12:41 |
SylvieLorxu |
People tend to prefer Firefox over Mozilla because Mozilla tends to have a lot of features most people don't care about |
| 12:41 |
mitrom |
Wait what |
| 12:41 |
mitrom |
they're different things... |
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mitrom |
Mozilla's the company, ain't it? |
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exio4 |
I hated Haskell until I learnt it |
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exio4 |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ #haskellproblems |
| 12:41 |
SylvieLorxu |
Well, Mozilla got renamed to SeaMonkey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey |
| 12:42 |
mitrom |
* Now talking on #haskellproblems |
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* mitrom |
installs |
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* mitrom |
wants to be a minority |
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mitrom |
unaffiliated/hacker |
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mitrom |
wow |
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* Krock |
likes Netscape Navigator |
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* mitrom |
likes netcat |
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exio4 |
Zeno`, what are the most decoupled parts of minetest right now? |
| 12:43 |
exio4 |
I'll need to work next year, and I'm thinking of reworking parts of minetest using Haskell |
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* Krock |
has never seen any haskell scripts/programs |
| 12:44 |
mitrom |
... |
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mitrom |
maskell |
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mitrom |
im writing minetest in lolcode |
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exio4 |
vry hax0r |
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exio4 |
much exio |
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exio4 |
netcat? psh, real men use butterflies |
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Zeno` |
exio4 are you sure anything at all is decoupled? |
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exio4 |
have you seen any functional programming language, ever? :p |
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exio4 |
if I show you any, it'll look like brainfuck (if you haven't) |
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mitrom |
lol |
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mitrom |
real men use emacs |
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exio4 |
Zeno`, that is why I said "most", in related to ALL the code! |
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exio4 |
the thing that only interacts with 80% of the codebase, not 100% |
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exio4 |
sorry, not 100% but 99.99% |
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exio4 |
uh, I can't english today |
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mitrom |
I feel sorry for https://isitchristmas.com/ |
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exio4 |
Zeno`, sorry |
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exio4 |
:P |
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mitrom |
lol |
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Zeno` |
exio4, I'm not really sure TBH |
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mitrom |
mouse wars |
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mitrom |
https://isitchristmas.com/ |
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Zeno` |
there it lots of stuff... |
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* mitrom |
is the one with the UK flag in the top right |
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exio4 |
Zeno`, by easier, I mean, like, compared to all the other code, I don't think rewriting the mapgen or the scripting api would be actually easIER! :D |
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Jordach |
Krock! |
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Krock |
wat |
| 12:53 |
Jordach |
u want sum texture |
| 12:53 |
Jordach |
link to your game |
| 12:53 |
Krock |
https://github.com/SmallJoker/base_game |
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Jordach |
swag1 m8 |
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exio4 |
you are SmallJoker Krock? today I learned :P |
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Krock |
exio4, no. It's just someone who copies my thoughts and avatars |
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Jordach |
Krock, https://mediacru.sh/41f75a3b8cd6 |
| 12:57 |
Jordach |
hit download album and rename appropriately |
| 12:57 |
Krock |
ty |
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Jordach |
i really should add jungles into BFD |
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Jordach |
they've been missing too long :) |
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Krock |
Jordach, I already had a good normal-wood texture, but the junglewood looks much better now :) https://github.com/SmallJoker/base_game/commit/b2ae |
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Krock |
Diffrent wood textures are generally not bad. junglewood isn't like regular wood. |
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Krock |
http://i.imgur.com/oeyWTDf.png |
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Jordach |
then again BFD is more and more looking like Terraria fucked Dwarf Fortress |
| 13:13 |
mitrom |
http://puu.sh/dHJ35/1172cee6f4.png |
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mitrom |
Don't try this at home |
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mitrom |
Well, i didn't |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Large increase in performance 8621e6d http://git.io/C92FkA (2014-12-24T23:13:24+10:00) |
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Jordach |
yes pls |
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Jordach |
<3 zenie |
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Krock |
Jordach, Zeno asked me to test it with MSVC and it worked. you can find the exe in the shared dropbox folder if you want :) |
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Jordach |
Krock, heard of the Infinite Jukebox |
| 13:19 |
Krock |
oke |
| 13:19 |
Krock |
googling it |
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Krock |
uuh. |
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Jordach |
Krock, http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html |
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Krock |
yeah. checking out M.C's Billie Jean |
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Krock |
Jordach, mhm after it's done loading it returns to the start page and plays. silence. |
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Jordach |
reload the page |
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Jordach |
does that often if FF 34 |
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Krock |
Chrome here. |
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Jordach |
reloading seems to fix it |
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Krock |
hmm doesn't work |
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Krock |
checking it with FF |
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redstonecraftPL |
relog |
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Jordach |
Krock, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/K/KGpmG2jvrW-v.png |
| 13:24 |
Krock |
looks a bit CPU intensive but interestin |
| 13:25 |
Jordach |
Rainmeter is using more CPU than Firefox |
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Jordach |
u wot m8 |
| 13:25 |
Krock |
whoa. amazing |
| 13:25 |
Jordach |
>Windows Exploder has stopped working |
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Krock |
not even CPU intensive |
| 13:26 |
Krock |
and those connections in the circle mean loops? |
| 13:26 |
Jordach |
yes, it's a jump point |
| 13:26 |
Krock |
:D |
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ziggy909 |
anyone ever thought about making an rpg mod? |
| 13:28 |
mitrom |
Jordach, Y U USE WINDOWS? |
| 13:28 |
Jordach |
mitrom, AMD APU here |
| 13:28 |
Jordach |
no drivers |
| 13:28 |
mitrom |
what |
| 13:28 |
mitrom |
oh |
| 13:28 |
Jordach |
not even non-free blobs to run it |
| 13:28 |
Jordach |
SoL in my case |
| 13:28 |
mitrom |
Nothing's impossible sir |
| 13:29 |
mitrom |
Just really, really difficult |
| 13:29 |
mitrom |
Easier to get a new PC I guess |
| 13:29 |
Jordach |
too expensive in teh UK |
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Jordach |
a decent quad core is usually >£400 |
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mitrom |
Laptop+Monitor+keyboard+mouse is a good bet |
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Jordach |
mitrom, i do resource heavy rendering |
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mitrom |
Oh that's always hot |
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mitrom |
Got fast internet? |
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Jordach |
8mbps (BT gib fibre next year :D) |
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mitrom |
damn sir |
| 13:32 |
mitrom |
Oh wait what |
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Jordach |
considering i live out on a farmland area, pretty good for ADSL |
| 13:32 |
mitrom |
g-g-g-gigabit |
| 13:32 |
mitrom |
So |
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mitrom |
An amazon GPU-optimized should do it |
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Jordach |
mitrom, Blender Internals is CPU bound |
| 13:33 |
mitrom |
well then |
| 13:33 |
Jordach |
i nearly cooked a Pentium 4 |
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mitrom |
lol |
| 13:33 |
mitrom |
Wait if you buy another pc you'll still have your current one |
| 13:34 |
mitrom |
Just run linux on an old laptop |
| 13:34 |
mitrom |
always works |
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Jordach |
pff |
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Krock |
You don't cook a P4, the P4 cooks you. |
| 13:34 |
Jordach |
i'm working in a Creative IT BTEC at the minute |
| 13:34 |
Jordach |
no luck with FOSS stuff |
| 13:34 |
Jordach |
except when it comes to graphics |
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Jordach |
i got away with Blender, Krita and GIMP |
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Krock |
mhm that infinite jukebox can't handle older songs well. I can hear when it jumps, the music parts aren't 1:1 the same :3 |
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Jordach |
Krock, Ska from the 80s (Madness) works fine |
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Krock |
Jordach, maybe they copy&pasted some parts of the song to an other position of it :P |
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Krock |
..or they just sing very evenly |
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Jordach |
Krock, there is actually a threshold for those jumps and can be fine tuned |
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Krock |
oke |
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Jordach |
hit that tune button :) |
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Krock |
aah. i c |
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Jordach |
>2 hours to sunset |
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Krock |
Oh mah gawd. http://subefotos.com/ver/?e012ffb418bccfdcb78eec499f17122fo.jpg |
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* Jordach |
works on a replacement for bones |
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Krock |
I didn't know that's even possible. |
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Jordach |
instead of a crappy looking set of bones, you get a cool as headstone. with a randomised death string |
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Jordach |
http://paste.debian.net/137981/ i like these taunting style death messages on the headstone |
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Jordach |
just need to plug in signs_lib |
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https://cdn.mediacru.sh/j/j8fBZhky3vZ2.png |
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kaeza |
meow |
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* Jordach |
meows at kaeza |
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shadowzone |
Hi |
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ElectronLibre |
Sorry to bother you, but I have a question. When it's said "Release on the 24th", where does it have to be the 24th so the 0.4.11 will be released exactly? |
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Jordach |
!title https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/commit/ef2e7bd4fb799ec6dba94c05b6cf7c96cbb72fe0 |
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MinetestBot |
Jordach: BFD 0.5-rc1 contains kittens, headstones, shiny textures and other stuff · ef2e7bd · Jordach/big_freaking_dig · GitHub |
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ElectronLibre |
I suppose it's the kittens he has shown us in his videos. |
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marktraceur |
ElectronLibre: Free software release schedules are more art than science |
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Jordach |
john_minetest, only use v5 or v7 |
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necron99 |
Good afternoon, everyone. |
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necron99 |
I am having issues running this on debian sid. |
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necron99 |
When launching from the terminal, it says "Irrlicht log: Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.1 |
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necron99 |
Irrlicht log: Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt2-1 (2014-12-08) x86_64 |
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necron99 |
Irrlicht log: Using renderer: OpenGL 2.1 |
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necron99 |
Irrlicht log: Mesa DRI Intel(R) IGD : Intel Open Source Technology Center |
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necron99 |
Irrlicht log: OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better. |
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necron99 |
Sorry. |
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necron99 |
I am having issues trying to run minetest in debian sid. http://pastebin.com/8FHm4xCA |
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necron99 |
I tried to fix it by installing pulseaudio(which I don't normally use) but it still gave a segmentation fault. |
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necron99 |
Thanks for any help or insight in advance. |
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CraigyDavi |
necron99, can you check what you have in /etc/openal/alsoft.conf under the "drivers =" option? |
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necron99 |
CraigyDavi, here http://pastebin.com/vbsH3Z7L |
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CraigyDavi |
Try uncommenting it and remove alsa from the list |
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necron99 |
Do I need to use pulse at all? I try to avoid it because I have issues when producing music. |
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necron99 |
Also, I thought "#" was uncommented. Forgive my lack of knowledge. |
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CraigyDavi |
You might not need to use it, I'm not entirely sure |
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CraigyDavi |
If removing alsa from the list doesn't work you might be missing liboss |
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necron99 |
So erase the "#" and take out pulse instead? Or do as you initially suggested? |
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CraigyDavi |
Try what I initially suggested and then try removing pulse instead |
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necron99 |
Okay, first suggestion gave the same error. Removing pulse altogether gives this http://pastebin.com/mHJrrfzT |
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necron99 |
I mean removing pulse instead of alsa |
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cardust |
good afternoon |
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cardust |
christzone sounds too holy |
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ChristZone |
That's the point |
| 18:29 |
cardust |
where are the releases? |
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shadowzone |
I don't know |
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ElectronLibre |
It's top secret apparently. |
| 18:30 |
cardust |
did they lie to us? |
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ElectronLibre |
In fact nobody knows exactly.. |
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cardust |
though it is still 24 |
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cardust |
🎄🎅⤠|
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ElectronLibre |
(To everyone how wants to know when will be the release : Recently, I've discovered something while compiling my own Minetest, in the CMakeList.txt file : it's needed to change some parameters about the version in this file before the release, just track the commits/push on minetest/minetest about this file. (if I'm not wrong)) |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi |
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cardust |
hello |
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ElectronLibre |
Hello luiz. |
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mitrom |
hey there |
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whitehat-hacker |
hey mitrom |
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whitehat-hacker |
wait what is minetest |
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whitehat-hacker |
i never heard this program before |
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whitehat-hacker |
is this a hacker group |
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whitehat-hacker |
nah |
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whitehat-hacker |
this sux |
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whitehat-hacker |
just use blender |
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whitehat-hacker |
blender engine |
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whitehat-hacker |
can code 3d game |
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whitehat-hacker |
if you want to know |
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whitehat-hacker |
We can train you but is ncsoft that train you |
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whitehat-hacker |
ncsoft is 0x71 (xc) Our |
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whitehat-hacker |
if you don't know what is blender |
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whitehat-hacker |
go to blender.org |
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hmmmm |
oh my god i thought this guy only existed on efnet |
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hmmmm |
ban, ban, ban, ban |
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mitrom |
lol |
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mitrom |
yup yup yup yup |
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hmmmm |
it sounds like he's trolling but he's actually this incoherent jesus-obsessed psychopath |
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VanessaE |
that was...odd. |
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mitrom |
yeah he's a schizophrenic |
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hmmmm |
the number of people actually insane vs. the number of people acting like it for the purpose of trolling is small, but they do exist. this guy is actually one of them |
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mitrom |
He's on efnet too? |
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hmmmm |
yeah |
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hmmmm |
did you look at his website |
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mitrom |
Nope |
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mitrom |
I looked at his personal details though |
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hmmmm |
he also writes these jesus songs and sings them |
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mitrom |
lol |
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mitrom |
What channels on efnet? |
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hmmmm |
he goes to all of them |
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hmmmm |
anything programming related, anything technical |
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hmmmm |
#math, #c, #asm, #winprog, so on |
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VanessaE |
wait, people still use efnet? :P |
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hmmmm |
yeah |
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mitrom |
Wait, under what nick? |
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hmmmm |
skraito |
| 19:56 |
mitrom |
14:56 -!- There is no such nick skraito |
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mitrom |
Oh well |
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hmmmm |
well obviously not right now, he's been glined |
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mitrom |
lol |
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mitrom |
~schizophrenic |
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mitrom |
I want world peace |
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mitrom |
actually no i dont |
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mitrom |
i want a coffee |
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VanessaE |
no, we need a LOT more than 2 days worth |
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VanessaE |
bug reports frequently link back to old logs sometimes weeks old |
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VanessaE |
and as those reports age, the links age with them |
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VanessaE |
those log entries shouldn't expire |
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VanessaE |
if you're worried about saying something incriminating....well... just don't say it. |
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VanessaE |
not that easily |
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VanessaE |
forget it. the logs need to stay |
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sfan5 |
^ |
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VanessaE |
they should. |
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VanessaE |
well that's what robots.txt is for. |
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VanessaE |
no one's gonna go digging through the logs looking for stupid shit you've written anyway. |
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VanessaE |
"This is why we can't have nice things." |
| 20:22 |
VanessaE |
no, the logs need to stay, in all their eternal searchability. |
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VanessaE |
break that and you break a lot of the ability we have to find out when shit happened. |
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VanessaE |
robots.txt is a file you can include with a website that dictates what a search engine is allowed to do when it crawls your site |
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VanessaE |
that file probably doesn't exist, and shouldn't. |
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VanessaE |
this channel is logged. |
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VanessaE |
and those logs are public. |
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VanessaE |
end of story |
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sfan5 |
relevant: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Robots.txt |
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JS|NotAfk |
~Coin |
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ShadowBot |
JS|NotAfk: heads |
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JS|NotAfk |
heads! yay |
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JS|NotAfk |
Bye for now |
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JS|NotAfk |
~Rainbow BYE |
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ShadowBot |
JS|NotAfk: BYE |
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JS|NotAfk |
Good bye to you too shadowbot ;') |
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marktraceur |
Why does ShadowBot message the channel instead of talking normally |
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sfan5 |
because the IRC RFC says so |
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sfan5 |
and ShadowNinja wants his bot to adhere to the rfc strictly |
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sfan5 |
even if it's stupid |
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marktraceur |
That's...very stupid |
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marktraceur |
sfan5: The IRC RFC says bots should do that, or everyone should? |
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SylvieLorxu |
marktraceur: But standards! |
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sfan5 |
marktraceur: just bots |
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marktraceur |
SylvieLorxu: Life is what happens when you're busy writing standards |
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SylvieLorxu |
Bots should use notices in messages, and bots should never respond to notices |
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marktraceur |
Huh. |
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SylvieLorxu |
It's a way to prevent infinite loops with multiple bots |
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marktraceur |
Fascinating. |
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sfan5 |
lol |
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marktraceur |
But it imbues meaning onto notices that wouldn't otherwise be there, and isn't self-evident |
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marktraceur |
I don't think about robots when I think about notices. |
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marktraceur |
I think about admins and announcements and stuff. |
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SylvieLorxu |
Well, you've noticed the meaning of notices incorrectly |
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SylvieLorxu |
On an unrelated note: WarxborecbexbeasnxasWORDPRESSWHYxrpxuaclguxbelgdxelugig *pukes* |
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SylvieLorxu |
Okay, just needed to let that out |
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marktraceur |
:) |
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SylvieLorxu |
I swear WordPress makes me go insane sometimes |
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SylvieLorxu |
The only times I don't really have issues with WordPress is when I don't have to work with it |
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Johns|en |
UH |
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marktraceur |
Johns|en: UH indeed. |
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Johns|en |
UH indeed??? |
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Johns|en |
Lol brb |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Travis integration f66d2a7 http://git.io/_zURgg (2014-12-24T22:47:34+01:00) |
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sfan5 |
^ yay |
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mitrom |
wait what |
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sfan5 |
!seen BlockMen |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: blockmen was last seen at 2014-11-09 16:16:22 UTC on #minetest |
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Johns|en |
Hi sfan |
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Johns|en |
brb |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Add travis build status to README 80ad231 http://git.io/dMWdtg (2014-12-24T23:05:25+01:00) |
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test |
Is nate123 server up? |
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Johnsen2 |
i think o |
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Johnsen2 |
so |
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Johnsen2 |
brb |
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test |
Can someone connect to Nate123's server, it doesn't work for me. Thanks |
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Jordach |
20 mins :3 |
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kaeza |
!server nate123 |
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MinetestBot |
kaeza: No results |
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test |
I think it's down. :/ |
