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03:16	Fritigern	I am working on a GUI wrapper for minetestserver, using bash and Yad (a fork of Zenity). My problem is whether or not i should put it on the forum.
03:17	Fritigern	At the moment, it only lives on my PC and as a gist on github. https://gist.github.com/Fritigern/7654e5115c64e87f5cea
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03:33	Cylus	Fritigern: Oooh, not a fan of the license. Any chance you could change it to CC BY-SA, as is used in other Minetest resources?
03:34	Fritigern	Not a chance. I do not want my stuff to be used for commercial purposes.
03:36	Cylus	Then I wouldn't post it. Minetest is a free software community, so -NC terms aren't a great contribution. I don't mean to be rude about that.
03:38	Fritigern	I can not be okay with the chance of my non-commercial work, no matter how amateurish it may be, to be used for commercial purposes. It's just not right. It's like i give you a free drink and you go and sell the thing. If i wanted it to be commercially available, i would sell it myself.
03:39	Cylus	Yet restricting commercialization means the drink was never free to begin with; it was only gratis.
03:39	Cylus	If you don't want your work sold, that's fine.
03:40	Cylus	But the simple fact is, one of the great thing about Minetest and most Minetest things is that they can be sold.
03:41	Cylus	I think the Minetest forum actually requires works be free (including allowing commercialization) in at least the mod subforum.
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04:17	MinetestBot	[git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Check minetest.hud_change() parameters on conversion (Fix #1714) 03f3f95 http://git.io/W7jPhg (2014-10-30T00:12:12-04:00)
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06:31	MinetestBot	[git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: mapgen: Resolve nodes in ctor rather than makeChunk 6b43077 http://git.io/JNVRrA (2014-10-30T02:29:37-04:00)
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06:54	MinetestBot	[git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix uninitialized variable warning f0ae2da http://git.io/ojcVMA (2014-10-30T02:53:20-04:00)
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07:29	HockeyTeeth	any mods for ShadowNinja's server on here?
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12:10	Megaf_	Hi all
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13:46	lisacvuk	hi, i have a problem, minetest fails to start
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13:46	lisacvuk	http://pastie.org/9685500
13:47	Zeno`	lisacvuk, can you update to the latest version?
13:47	lisacvuk	i did
13:47	Zeno`	that was a temporary (1 hour) bug
13:47	Zeno`	how did you update?
13:47	lisacvuk	muon updater
13:47	lisacvuk	i will check now for updates
13:48	PenguinDad	lisacvuk: try starting minetest with --disable-unittests
13:49	lisacvuk	ok
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13:49	VanessaE	no, update instead.
13:49	Zeno`	PenguinDad, I dunno... things will be strange
13:49	Zeno`	the unit tests are correctly failing
13:49	lisacvuk	ok, there is an update
13:50	lisacvuk	installed it
13:50	PenguinDad	Zeno`: will kittens die?
13:50	Zeno`	PenguinDad, maybe
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13:50	Zeno`	And we can't have that :(
13:51	lisacvuk	works, thanks!
13:51	PenguinDad	Of course I didn't want to risk that kittens die :(
13:51	Zeno`	PenguinDad, it also may have damaged... Penguins!
13:52	VanessaE	or opened wormholes into other quadrants
13:52	Zeno`	yeah those as well
13:53	Jordach	mmmm new icons https://cdn.mediacru.sh/kVjkDNlw32DU.png
13:53	* Jordach	modified another blender.svg
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13:53	Zeno`	and also accelerate global climate change and possibly cause thingies in the Oort cloud to change orbit on a collision course with Earth!
13:53	VanessaE	NO! Not the OORT CLOUD!
13:54	Zeno`	yes!
13:54	Zeno`	the OORT CLOUD
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13:54	VanessaE	:D
13:54	PenguinDad	VanessaE: Wormholes aren't that bad :P
13:55	VanessaE	PenguinDad: even if they open in to the Delta quadrant?
13:56	Zeno`	Seriously though
13:57	Zeno`	You do know that the mass extinction of the dinosaurs was caused by --disable-unittests, right?
13:57	PenguinDad	lol
13:58	VanessaE	Zeno`: nonono. (weird guy from History channel) [ ALIENS ]
13:58	Zeno`	yes, and the only way the ALIENS got here was...
13:58	Zeno`	'nuff said
13:58	VanessaE	through a wormhole from the Delta Quadrant, like I told ya
13:58	Zeno`	lol
13:58	PenguinDad	X-files theme begins to play
13:58	VanessaE	so...holy shit, you're right
13:59	Zeno`	yep
13:59	VanessaE	all my life.....it's.....all a lie... even the cake!
13:59	Zeno`	it left a hole
13:59	ElectronLibre	Zeno`, perhaps --disable-unittests will kill all the kittens in the universe, and all the nodes, and all the computers, so please, let's upgrade instead.
13:59	* Jordach	starts to see /r/montageparodies appear in thin air
13:59	Zeno`	ElectronLibre, great idea :)
13:59	Jordach	what if dinosaurs were not kill
13:59	PenguinDad	Wait did you see that?
14:00	Zeno`	I did
14:00	Zeno`	It was a Tyrannosaurus rex... walked down my corridor!
14:00	Zeno`	aww crap... and I mean he made a very large crap
14:01	Zeno`	like a giant bird poop on my floor. *sigh&
14:01	H-H-H	craptastic!
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14:01	PenguinDad	Zeno`: what a shitty animal :D
14:01	Zeno`	haha :P
14:01	Zeno`	very nice pun :3
14:02	Zeno`	I have 40 windows open!
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14:02	iqualfragile	i have 0 windowss open
14:02	Zeno`	lol... not even a TTY?
14:03	VanessaE	"But I gotta tell you, these things are real. Since I joined these men, I have seen shit that'll turn you WHITE!"
14:03	iqualfragile	does anybody here speak russian?
14:03	* ElectronLibre	has got 5 TTYs open, 4 on the same directory, and only one doing something. ._.
14:03	Zeno`	tmux ftw
14:03	iqualfragile	*screen
14:03	Zeno`	or that
14:04	Zeno`	whatever floats ya boat
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14:20	davedevils	sorry , little question
14:20	davedevils	minetest accept overlay ?
14:23	VanessaE	overlay?
14:23	davedevils	yeah use a texture gray and be colored by propriety
14:24	VanessaE	there IS a colorize texture operator
14:24	VanessaE	but it's probably not the same as you're thinking of.
14:25	VanessaE	(and you can of course also overlay one texture on top of another, or any number of them; this is how dirt with grass is made)
14:26	davedevils	i speak for make this http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Banner
14:26	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7159
14:27	VanessaE	the same effect is possible but as you would see if you read the code, it requires defining a node for each color
14:27	davedevils	yeah but no i want use overley with some texture (6)
14:27	VanessaE	yeah, no. you can't do that yet.
14:27	davedevils	>.<
14:28	VanessaE	you'll have to define a node for each color or material you plan to use.
14:28	davedevils	omg >.<
14:28	VanessaE	there have been proposals to solve at least the color issue, but those made by the core devs suck.
14:28	davedevils	this is very fat
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14:29	davedevils	yeah i have see >.< devs core make some mistack and sh***
14:29	VanessaE	no, it's not that.
14:30	davedevils	look they no have fix disable_jump >.<
14:31	VanessaE	I can't speak to that.
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14:32	davedevils	yeah just i same in global ... dev core are slow or make some sh***
14:32	davedevils	it's same*
14:33	VanessaE	I wouldn't go so far as to say that.
14:33	VanessaE	most of the core devs just have too much other shit to do
14:33	VanessaE	some are busy working on whatever part of the engine best suits them.
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14:35	davedevils	yeah i understend - i'm dev c++ irl - but work like microsoft (if you have flat tire , you need fix that ... not take the road)
14:35	VanessaE	the problem is that sometimes they don't give enough credence to how players and modders actually use the engine.
14:36	davedevils	i think he need to see all tickets , not make they he want >.<
14:36	VanessaE	davedevils: to be perfectly honest, Microsoft has a history of doing precisely what you say they wouldn't (remove the road instead of fixing the tire). but I get the point.
14:36	VanessaE	there's an old joke that if Microsoft engineers were responsible for fixing a burnt-out light bulb, they'd just declare darkness to be a new standard instead.
14:37	shadowzone	VanessaE: I agree with you, and davedevils.
14:39	iqualfragile	there is a old but still new joke that microsoft likes to copy network stacks und dislikes copying bug fixes of these network stacks
14:39	ElectronLibre	That's not a joke, that's the truth x).
14:41	VanessaE	either way your point is fair - yes Minetest engine has problems, and sometimes core devs focus on things that, frankly, don't affect 99% of gameplay.
14:41	VanessaE	but that's the nature of open source.
14:41	davedevils	just i'm new in minetest (2 month) but OMG the engine is not maked for dev lua or player ... only for dev c++ play ? >.< ... i make a fork (another again ) if run in same way
14:41	VanessaE	each person scratches their own itch
14:42	iqualfragile	python interface would be fantastic
14:42	davedevils	(not now i no have time i just make minetest for fun not for a second work
14:42	VanessaE	a few folks like RealBadAngel are focusing on stuff that directly faces the end user and therefore affects gameplay in some manner
14:42	VanessaE	davedevils: no one here is paid to work on Minetest.
14:43	Zeno`	hmm
14:43	davedevils	yeah i know but i say i no have time at the moment for work in minetest all time
14:43	VanessaE	Zeno` has also :)
14:44	iqualfragile	one problem is the speed that pull requests get merged with
14:44	iqualfragile	which is like 5 a week
14:44	sfan5	it has been worse in the pastr
14:44	sfan5	-r
14:44	davedevils	more for disable_jump >.<
14:44	iqualfragile	sfan5: i know, im around since c55 gave up developing
14:44	sfan5	iqualfragile: I'm also around since roughly that time
14:45	VanessaE	iqualfragile: he didn't give up, he sold out :P
14:45	iqualfragile	VanessaE: right, sold to pilzadam
14:45	VanessaE	iqualfragile: buildat. yet another voxel engine.
14:45	iqualfragile	yeah, was here when he announced it
14:46	davedevils	https://github.com/celeron55/buildat
14:46	diemartin	yes, but when c55 "left", he was alone merging stuff. we now have 10 core devs or so
14:46	diemartin	(half of which are MIA, BTW)
14:46	iqualfragile	diemartin: 10 core devs that all hope the others do the testing
14:46	VanessaE	diemartin: and it makes me rather angry at him - he can't find time or energy to contribute to minetest anymore, yet he's got time to start over? fuck that.
14:47	VanessaE	I understand if he has a real life. we all do.
14:47	sfan5	that minetest-services thing has no real life ;)
14:48	VanessaE	I refuse to accept the notion that some of that time should be dedicated to what is effectively a competing engine, when he's gonna just sit around here telling us he "doesn't care", can't be bothered, etc etc etc. and yet won't give up whatever bit of control he still has.,
14:48	diemartin	VanessaE, my point is, half of the core devs are not really "active", while the folks that are really active ATM don't have a say in anything
14:48	Zeno`	I'm not really sure he should be the subsystem maintainer for Client/Audiovisuals
14:48	VanessaE	diemartin: indeed.
14:48	davedevils	https://github.com/celeron55/buildat/blob/master/LICENSE
14:48	davedevils	yeah but see that ;)
14:49	Zeno`	what about it?
14:49	davedevils	not same licence of minetest
14:50	VanessaE	davedevils: it's not a fork, why would it have the same license?
14:50	davedevils	i know
14:50	davedevils	but if you look at the difference of the licence
14:51	iqualfragile	VanessaE: i don't really see him controlling too much
14:51	iqualfragile	Zeno`: iirc he is ok with giving that up
14:51	VanessaE	iqualfragile: he blocks Client A/V stuff if he doesn't like what's there.
14:51	iqualfragile	ah, have never seen that, sorry
14:51	Zeno`	He's stopping pull requests because he is the maintainer of the subsystem
14:51	davedevils	apache licence can use other code licence
14:51	VanessaE	and he claims the right to block WHO will take over Client A/V maint also
14:52	Zeno`	And he doesn't look at the pull requests, so... I dunno
14:52	Zeno`	they just sit there and rot
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14:54	davedevils	another question : with meshnode you can use animated node ?
14:55	VanessaE	not yet
14:55	VanessaE	coming soon
14:55	davedevils	like make a fake wind effect
14:55	VanessaE	but you can animate the textures.
14:55	davedevils	yeah i know i animate texture allready
14:55	VanessaE	you cannot animate the mesh itself yet
14:55	VanessaE	that'll be soon though
14:55	davedevils	yeah but with novembre release ?
14:56	VanessaE	maybe, dunno
14:56	davedevils	(the next)
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14:56	iqualfragile	not likely
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14:56	VanessaE	iqualfragile: don't be so sure
14:56	davedevils	4.11 or 5.0 (i dont know if they can say 5.0 because not very fat custom)
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14:56	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: what about it?
14:56	VanessaE	davedevils: 0.4.11 it anything
14:56	iqualfragile	davedevils: its 0.4.11
14:56	VanessaE	0.5.0 is not coming out any time soon
14:57	VanessaE	0.5.0 will be a "if we will eventually have to break it, do it here" release.
14:57	davedevils	maybe if they rewirte packet system
14:57	davedevils	lol
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14:58	Zeno`	if it's truly semantic versioning (http://semver.org/) then a 0.5.0 release could not break backward compatibility
14:59	iqualfragile	Zeno`: its not, we are still <1.0
14:59	iqualfragile	it could in theory be broken any time
14:59	davedevils	false , a major version can break backward compatibility
14:59	iqualfragile	davedevils: what is wrong with "packet" system?
14:59	Zeno`	iqualfragile, not as defined by http://semver.org/
15:00	iqualfragile	Zeno`: again, we are <1.0
15:00	sfan5	!tell rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=160356#p160356 0.4.12 -> 0.4.11 ??
15:00	MinetestBot	sfan5: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
15:00	Zeno`	iqualfragile, that matters?
15:00	Amaz	sfan5, I noticed that :P
15:00	iqualfragile	Zeno`: absolutely, sub 1 are not final releases, but betas/alphas
15:00	iqualfragile	therefore they don't usually guarantee any kind of stability
15:01	davedevils	iqualfragile : not very secure ,and maybe can be better
15:01	Zeno`	It probably should be bumped to version 1 at some point then
15:01	Amaz	No no no!
15:01	Amaz	Not ready for that yet...
15:01	sfan5	just a reminder that we are not using a strict semver system
15:01	iqualfragile	davedevils: "maybe can be better" "not very secure"? please elaborate
15:01	Zeno`	It'll never be "ready" lol
15:01	Amaz	Zeno`, probably :P
15:02	iqualfragile	additionally the minetest api already is quite stable
15:02	davedevils	iqualfragile : too long to show you at the moment
15:03	iqualfragile	davedevils: write it up, leave on some minetest-related bugtracker or wiki and link me
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15:05	davedevils	iqualfragile : i have begin to write up some custom (like mysql/sqlite switch in config for using it in lua ) and make some test for see what is better or not , maybe release all result if i'm not degusting about minetest before
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15:07	sfan5	davedevils: Minetest supports multiple database backends, see database.h and database-redis.cpp as an example
15:08	davedevils	yeah but not like i want
15:08	iqualfragile	sfan5: can i haz /dev/null?
15:08	sfan5	now how you want?
15:08	sfan5	iqualfragile: http://devnull-as-a-service.com/
15:09	davedevils	now , just test for see what is more better for all way ( hack protect , speed , devhelper ....)
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15:17	davedevils	but sfan5 --> i think try to make other chance with mysql , with MyISAM and asynchronize save ( save only 60seconde only moved block and all block moved in ram before set all in mysql and clean)
15:20	davedevils	but it's only for test at the moment
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15:26	iqualfragile	leguin and asimov hate me
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15:31	iqualfragile	proller: do you speak russian?
15:34	coagen	iqualfragile: he does
15:35	iqualfragile	does anybody else, i just need a sentence translated
15:35	coagen	iqualfragile: i speak very basic russian...
15:35	iqualfragile	https://i.imgur.com/m7YG0YK.jpg
15:36	coagen	I'm going ___ walk on dick
15:36	coagen	the third word
15:36	coagen	i'm not sure about
15:36	coagen	1 sec
15:38	coagen	I'm going for a walk on the middle dick
15:38	coagen	weird
15:38	coagen	let me double check with a native speaker I know
15:40	coagen	iqualfragile: they are not available right now.. I'll check later, but thats all I have atm
15:40	iqualfragile	middle lane?
15:40	coagen	clearly
15:40	coagen	in the commic
15:41	coagen	but xyn is dick
15:41	coagen	pronounced hu-ey
15:41	iqualfragile	ok
15:42	coagen	maybe better translated was "i'm going to the middle, went on a dick"
15:42	coagen	well
15:43	coagen	thats terrible too
15:43	coagen	i can tell you more about the context
15:43	coagen	but lets stop doing it here
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15:43	coagen	pm me if you want more info
15:44	iqualfragile	coagen: thank you
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16:09	sol_invictus	lol'd at coagen's translation :D
16:10	Cyanberry	which was?
16:10	* Cyanberry	missed it
16:11	sol_invictus	it was like 30 minutes ago
16:11	Cyanberry	my ZNC crashed so I didn't se it
16:11	PenguinDad	Cyanberry: <coagen> maybe better translated was "i'm going to the middle, went on a dick"
16:12	Cyanberry	lol
16:13	sol_invictus	okay, I'm bored so i'll translate
16:14	* Cyanberry	is going to go play some xonotic
16:14	* PenguinDad	has to think about the "Hard Di*k Drive" now
16:14	Cyanberry	lol
16:14	Cyanberry	Atomicon always says that
16:15	Cyanberry	idk if on purpose
16:15	sol_invictus	"I'm going to mid lane, f**k you"
16:15	Cyanberry	what are we transtaling?
16:16	Cyanberry	lol
16:16	Cyanberry	transtaling
16:16	Cyanberry	XD
16:16	Cyanberry	also
16:16	Zeno`	it said "f**k"?
16:17	Zeno`	that's naughty but I am glad the comic censored it
16:17	PenguinDad	lol
16:17	sol_invictus	no it's not censored
16:17	coagen	sol_invictus: thats much better, thx
16:18	sol_invictus	also it looks like the author of the comics used a translator
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16:22	Zeno`	cunning
16:27	* sfan5	paws Zeno`
16:27	Zeno`	I am now a cat scratching pole? :-o
16:28	VanessaE	sfan5: my cat does the coolest thing, wave your hand at her and she'll place her paw on it :)
16:28	sfan5	can you mail me your cat
16:28	Zeno`	VanessaE, is your cat a Jedi?
16:28	sfan5	?
16:28	VanessaE	Zeno`: no :)
16:28	VanessaE	this is not the cat you're looking for.
16:28	Zeno`	lol
16:29	sfan5	VanessaE: can you mail me your cat?
16:30	VanessaE	no :)
16:30	eeeeeta	yay minetest
16:30	VanessaE	hi eeeeeta
16:30	sfan5	why not
16:30	sfan5	I want a cat
16:30	eeeeeta	I took the jdukebox mod from BFD and added my own .oggs :D
16:30	VanessaE	sfan5: because she's all mine :)
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16:30	sfan5	hm
16:30	sfan5	VanessaE: can you fax me a copy?
16:30	VanessaE	sfan5: besides, the dog needs someone to terrorize :)
16:30	PenguinDad	We need to find a way to clone the cat :P
16:31	VanessaE	nope, don't have a fax :)
16:31	* eeeeeta	throws his cat at sfan5
16:31	* sfan5	cats
16:31	eeeeeta	cat (v) - to become one with the mindfulness of felines
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16:31	sfan5	!g urbandictionary definiton "cat"
16:31	MinetestBot	sfan5: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cat
16:31	VanessaE	sfan5: but I can send you a photo :) https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/v/t1.0-9/1185104_10151788875469840_1871960006_n.jpg?oh=86872e050a7ecdce122b98af0daa3012&oe=54DE6BF1&__gda__=1425013637_ad5e10ac44a3fb8f4f6fc875ec98bfdd
16:32	sfan5	VanessaE: !tell your_cat meow
16:32	ElectronLibre	A cat on an umbrella -
16:32	Zeno`	sfan5, here you go: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VdQKlLcY1Rc/UZ5b4-m1i3I/AAAAAAAAASw/f9CK9qONCRk/s1600/ALF+Cat_sandwich.jpg
16:32	eeeeeta	sfan5: $ wth is cat
16:33	eeeeeta	catThe definitive pet.
16:33	eeeeeta	(etc)
16:33	Zeno`	nom nom nom
16:33	VanessaE	sfan5: here's another of her: https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10302094_10152746876699840_2982362483262194699_n.jpg?oh=f2286df11f433d2e6b9be2f31b16740a&oe=54F589BC&__gda__=1425013699_3ba39837e8226710b8f0bfd5b169e2b7
16:33	sfan5	hm
16:33	Zeno`	VanessaE, that looks just like Lucky!
16:33	sfan5	can't I theoretically google that number on your cats thingy and find out where you live?
16:33	sfan5	hm
16:33	* sfan5	meows
16:33	VanessaE	sfan5: I don't care :P
16:33	sfan5	oh I see
16:34	* sfan5	mrows at VanessaE's cat
16:34	Zeno`	VanessaE, http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/06/alf1.jpg
16:34	eeeeeta	question: is the discussion here mostly about cats, or do you actually talk about minetest?
16:34	VanessaE	and besides, it's a prepaid cell phone, so no you can't :)
16:34	Zeno`	no we only talk about cats
16:34	ElectronLibre	eeeeeta, we sometimes can speak about something other than minetest.
16:34	sfan5	VanessaE: you don't have cat registration numbers?
16:34	sfan5	or pet
16:34	sfan5	whatever
16:35	eeeeeta	microchips!
16:35	sfan5	all dogs here have a number
16:35	VanessaE	sfan5: sure on her paperwork in the file box...somewhere
16:35	sfan5	on their <how do you call that thing?>
16:35	eeeeeta	sfan5: "collar"?
16:35	VanessaE	her collar/tag
16:35	sfan5	^
16:35	VanessaE	and no, the cats don't wear theirs.
16:35	VanessaE	the dogs tag is on his though
16:35	* eeeeeta	guesses that English isn't sfan5's first language
16:36	sfan5	VanessaE: something like this, http://www.reckmann.org/wp-content/20110716-030749-e1310843140619.jpg
16:36	* sfan5	tells eeeeeta that he guessed right
16:36	* eeeeeta	yay
16:36	Zeno`	sfan5, how did you get that photo of my collar?
16:36	sfan5	Zeno`: google
16:36	VanessaE	sfan5: yeah, there's something like that here, for rabies vaccines, but my cats' tags don't have that (the ones that do, are stored away)
16:36	* eeeeeta	is now listening to "The Energetic Rat (Jordach's Mix)" in-game
16:37	eeeeeta	such a strange title
16:37	Zeno`	heh
16:37	Zeno`	night all
16:37	* sfan5	is now listening to "nomico - Bad Apple!!" not in-game
16:38	eeeeeta	How to get banned from every IRC server ever:
16:38	* eeeeeta	is now away: Auto-away after 30 minutes
16:39	Cyanberry	ye
16:39	PenguinDad	eeeeeta: stop pinging away :P
16:39	eeeeeta	away: please
16:40	eeeeeta	what the heck is a "Trooper"?
16:40	eeeeeta	It randomly attacked me
16:40	* sfan5	bites PenguinDad
16:41	PenguinDad	ouch!
16:41	* sfan5	bites PenguinDad's cat
16:41	PenguinDad	eeeeeta: Some human looking mob from carbone
16:41	Cyanberry	why is a cat biting a cat?
16:41	eeeeeta	Cyanberry: my cats fight often
16:41	PenguinDad	sfan5: I don't have a cat :(
16:41	* sfan5	bites PenguinDad's dog
16:41	eeeeeta	PenguinDad: :( it's not very nice
16:42	PenguinDad	I don't have dog either
16:42	Cyanberry	eeeeeta: complain to Calinou
16:42	PenguinDad	I have no pets at all :(
16:42	* sfan5	bites PenguinDad's face
16:42	VanessaE	eeeeeta: a new surface MOB.
16:42	* PenguinDad	throws a <Â°((((((-< at sfan5
16:43	* sfan5	gets hit by the <Â°((((((-<
16:43	* sfan5	falls to the ground
16:43	* sfan5	dead cat
16:44	PenguinDad	damn that refactor_theÃ„game branch is slow
16:44	PenguinDad	s/Ã„/_/
16:45	Cyanberry	/_/
16:46	VanessaE	zeno will kick your ass for that.
16:47	VanessaE	:)
16:47	Cyanberry	VanessaE: I don't think PenguinDad has a donkey
16:47	Cyanberry	:P
16:47	VanessaE	then hell kick his penguin
16:48	VanessaE	and I'm pretty sure he's got one of those. :P
16:48	VanessaE	he'll*
16:48	PenguinDad	lel
16:49	Cyanberry	PenguinDad: any new music around?
16:49	* sfan5	purrs at VanessaE
16:49	sfan5	!tw
16:49	MinetestBot	sfan5: Give me a link, a @username, or a tweet id
16:50	sfan5	<PenguinDad> ouch!
16:50	sfan5	* sfan5 bites PenguinDad's cat
16:50	sfan5	<PenguinDad> eeeeeta: Some human looking mob from carbone
16:50	sfan5	<Cyanberry> why is a cat biting a cat?
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16:50	eeeeeta	sfan5: wat
16:50	eeeeeta	Calinouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
16:50	sfan5	hexchat keeps copying stuff I select to my clipboard
16:50	eeeeeta	a carbone Trooper killed me :(
16:51	sfan5	!tw https://twitter.com/osxreverser/status/527864900765622272
16:51	MinetestBot	Always fascinated by cat's attraction for small boxes. (@osxreverser)
16:51	Calinou	hi
16:51	Cyanberry	!tw @realtinymonster
16:51	MinetestBot	Sorry, couldn't get a tweet from https://twitter.com/realtinymonster?1414687878.8409722 (@realtinymonster)
16:51	Cyanberry	:
16:51	sfan5	!tw it currently partly broken
16:51	MinetestBot	sfan5: Give me a link, a @username, or a tweet id
16:51	Cyanberry	:\|
16:51	Cyanberry	oh
16:51	Cyanberry	why?
16:51	sfan5	because code
16:52	Cyanberry	because chode!
16:52	Calinou	hi Cyanberry
16:52	Cyanberry	jkjk
16:52	sfan5	actually because I can't get python's urllib to give me the URL it was redirected to on a 302
16:52	Calinou	<eeeeeta> a carbone Trooper killed me :(
16:52	Calinou	heh
16:52	Calinou	did you think it was a real player? :P
16:52	eeeeeta	Calinou: yes
16:52	eeeeeta	Calinou: I was like "WTF CHECK THE NETWERKS"
16:53	PenguinDad	Cyanberry: Shoeboxstep https://soundcloud.com/mid-tempo/trollphace-twine-dat-shoebox-doe :P
16:53	eeeeeta	Calinou: then I picked it up and put it back down, thinking it would tame it
16:53	eeeeeta	Calinou: it killed me again :(
16:54	Calinou	nope, they're still offensive to all players
16:54	eeeeeta	:(
16:54	eeeeeta	brb
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17:04	Yellowberry	Calinou: I didn't know you played Xonotic
17:04	* Yellowberry	learns something new every day
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17:05	Yellowberry	Hi Cylus!
17:05	Cylus	Hey Yellowberry!
17:06	Yellowberry	How's it rolling?
17:07	Calinou	Yellowberry, on Lichess look at my Three-Check rating :P
17:07	Cylus	My arm is having issues and Freenode keeps booting me. Furthermore, I'm having problems getting my Android development environment working. I did manage to get Shallot compiled and running finally though, so it's not all bad.
17:08	freelikegnu	those troopers are scary
17:10	* PenguinDad	hugs sfan5
17:11	* sfan5	licks PenguinDad
17:12	freelikegnu	are tree trunks with a falling property a bad idea?
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17:13	Cylus	Depends on your style. Some players would like it, especially for jungle tree trunks. Others wouldn't like it, as they would want to build out of trunks, and falling would make that harder.
17:14	Calinou	falling trees are silly
17:14	Calinou	non-colliding leaves make sense
17:14	Cylus	Because of the building issue, I would lean away from falling trunks.
17:14	freelikegnu	hmm well say harvesting a falling tree trunk gave you a non-falling tree trunk block
17:14	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10504
17:14	Calinou	oh-an-UI-rant
17:14	Cylus	freelikegnu: In that case, it would probably be fine.
17:15	Cylus	Calinou: What do mean by "non-colliding" leaves?
17:15	freelikegnu	hovering trees bother me, I get that from my mothers side
17:15	freelikegnu	you can walk through leaves
17:15	Cylus	OH! That would be cool.
17:15	Cylus	I might have to add that to my game.
17:16	* sfan5	licks Yellowberry
17:16	Cylus	Non-colliding and maybe climbable.
17:16	freelikegnu	trees should be climbable
17:16	Yellowberry	sfan5: Bananas don't taste good when you like them
17:17	Cylus	They can't be climbable without making it possible to walk through them. Engine limitation. And walking through trunks would be kind of silly.
17:18	freelikegnu	also have to learn how the tree growing wolrks so I can have things like gnarly juniper trees
17:18	Calinou	walkable = false
17:18	Calinou	it is the default in Carbone
17:19	Calinou	climbable leaves is weird
17:19	Calinou	you climb them as if they were ladders
17:19	Calinou	I'd rather see viscous leaves
17:19	Calinou	(slows you down while in them)
17:19	freelikegnu	like water
17:19	freelikegnu	makes sense
17:20	VanessaE	Calinou: there's a post in the homedecor thread that offered to do the same for cobwebs
17:20	freelikegnu	is something like a teleport node to another node possible in lua?
17:20	VanessaE	I didn't use it, but it might be of use to you for the leaves
17:21	Calinou	teleporting a player?
17:21	freelikegnu	yes
17:22	freelikegnu	like a player steps on this node and it teleports to a companion node
17:22	freelikegnu	ala portal
17:23	Cylus	Calinou: I'd love to see viscous leaves, but I think the engine would only allow that if the leaves were a liquid, which presents other issues.
17:23	Yellowberry	Calinou: Viscous leave + Climbable logs?
17:23	freelikegnu	falling leaves would look cool
17:24	Yellowberry	it would also lag
17:24	freelikegnu	aye
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17:25	Cylus	With falling leaves, trees would generate normally, but as soon as you touch a leaf or a trunk near a leaf, all the tree's leaves would drop off.
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17:26	Calinou	climbable logs make zero sense
17:26	Calinou	leaves already â€œfallâ€ somehowâ€¦ they decay
17:26	Calinou	instant leaf decay is possible
17:26	Calinou	change ABM chance to 1
17:26	Yellowberry	Calinou: why? people climb trees...
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17:27	Yellowberry	hi zlsa
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17:29	Calinou	then you should be able to climb all blocks by definition
17:29	Calinou	also you can't climb walkable nodes
17:29	Yellowberry	why?
17:29	Yellowberry	that is silly
17:32	freelikegnu	beats jumping imho
17:33	freelikegnu	but it could be complimentary to jumping, climbing would be slower
17:40	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=10502
17:40	Calinou	whoa, 9 vs 4 for glasses
17:40	* Calinou	uses â€œNoâ€â€¦
17:43	PenguinDad	Calinou: 12 vs 4 now
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17:44	davedevils	sexy i have crash minetest with on_construct = function(pos,node) if not check_attached_node_fdir(pos, node) then minetest.dig_node(pos) end end,
17:46	freelikegnu	so psycho acoustic minetest mod?
17:47	davedevils	no my own mod
17:48	freelikegnu	for the the visually impaired.. node on cursorpings audio based on material and distance from player
17:49	freelikegnu	positional audio cues
17:49	Yellowberry	yeah
17:49	Yellowberry	its too bad it crashes
17:50	* freelikegnu	does not wear glasses
17:50	davedevils	update = function(pos,node) if not check_attached_node(pos, node) then minetest.dig_node(pos) end end, --> crash too >.<
17:50	freelikegnu	my wife started having vision issues after having kids, but she only wore glasses for a short time before getting lasik
17:50	freelikegnu	I though she looked hot with glasses though
17:50	Yellowberry	lol
17:51	freelikegnu	she hated wearing them :<
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17:53	kilbith	femme Ã lunettes...
17:53	Yellowberry	kilbith: hmm?
17:54	freelikegnu	little moons are glasses in french D:
17:54	PenguinDad	Women with glasses...
17:54	freelikegnu	:D
17:54	kilbith	only the french can understand
17:54	PenguinDad	*Woman
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17:54	kilbith	even translated
17:54	freelikegnu	that is cute
17:55	freelikegnu	sailor moon should have worn spectales
17:55	Yellowberry	:P
17:57	freelikegnu	hmm why does using a pickaxes to harves a mesecon block kill me?
17:57	VanessaE	because it's probably Meze
17:57	Calinou	freelikegnu, maybe it is Meze
17:57	VanessaE	not MEse
17:57	Calinou	look at the S
17:57	Calinou	if the S looks reversed, it's Meze
17:58	freelikegnu	omg
17:58	Calinou	(it doesn't kill if damage is disabled or creative mode is enabled)
17:58	freelikegnu	dirty trick
17:58	VanessaE	hahaha
17:58	Calinou	Meze only spawns above sea level
17:58	Calinou	unlike Mese which can spawn everywhere in stone in Carbone
17:58	VanessaE	Calinou: maybe a slightly more obvious sign is needed :)
17:58	freelikegnu	well now that I know it is funny
17:58	Calinou	it's made to not be too obvious :P
17:58	Calinou	you should be suspicious of all Mese found above sea level
17:59	Yellowberry	which is y=64 right?
17:59	VanessaE	0
17:59	freelikegnu	really words on a stone breaks the immersion, it looks like a placeholder texture rather than something in the gameworld
17:59	Yellowberry	yet another differnce from MC
18:00	Yellowberry	make it slightly red tinted
18:01	VanessaE	freelikegnu: it isn't a stone.
18:01	VanessaE	it's an artifact of alien origin
18:01	freelikegnu	why not just use copper and gold to make circuits and components?
18:01	VanessaE	freelikegnu: because copper and gold are relatively new additions to minetest.
18:01	VanessaE	compared to mese
18:01	freelikegnu	ah ok so aliens with a sick sense of humor
18:01	Yellowberry	lol
18:01	VanessaE	freelikegnu: Mese is an artifact. Meze is Calinou's creation :P
18:02	Yellowberry	B)
18:03	VanessaE	besides, copper IS used to make electrical cabling in Technic mod
18:04	* freelikegnu	picks up his meze dust covered bones
18:04	PenguinDad	Griefers love houses made of meze :P
18:05	freelikegnu	anyone using a pickaxe on your house kinda asking for it
18:06	davedevils	i need make water dig item -
18:06	Calinou	Meze is 0-64
18:06	Calinou	rare Mese is -1024-64
18:06	Calinou	common Mese is -30000--1024
18:08	freelikegnu	how come mice = plural mouse and rice != plural rat
18:09	Calinou	lol
18:10	freelikegnu	maybe mesecons are fossilized nyan cat scat
18:10	Krock	-- = +
18:11	davedevils	what Oo
18:11	VanessaE	Krock: s/--/..-/
18:11	Krock	1 - (-1) = 2
18:11	Krock	!c 1-(-1)
18:11	MinetestBot	2
18:12	freelikegnu	!c rat(2)
18:12	MinetestBot	NameError: name 'rat' is not defined
18:12	freelikegnu	!c $rat=1
18:12	MinetestBot	SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
18:13	Krock	!c 'rat' == 'rice'? "yes" : "no"
18:13	MinetestBot	SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
18:13	davedevils	!cat ?
18:13	MinetestBot	http://i.imgur.com/ERebecg.jpg
18:13	Krock	!c 'rat' == 'rice'
18:13	MinetestBot	False
18:13	davedevils	!hardcore
18:14	davedevils	!c 3*3/3
18:14	MinetestBot	3.0
18:15	Krock	!c 9**-5
18:15	MinetestBot	1.6935087808430286e-05
18:15	davedevils	!c (3/3)*3
18:15	MinetestBot	3.0
18:15	davedevils	!
18:15	davedevils	!c 3/3
18:15	MinetestBot	1.0
18:15	Krock	##minetestbot
18:15	Yellowberry	!c __double__
18:15	MinetestBot	Yellowberry: Sorry, but no double underscores.
18:15	davedevils	!help
18:15	MinetestBot	https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
18:15	Yellowberry	hehe
18:16	davedevils	!up lunyasoft.eu 30000
18:16	MinetestBot	lunyasoft.eu:30000 seems to be down
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18:16	PenguinDad	!c "O_o_O " * 5
18:16	MinetestBot	'O_o_O O_o_O O_o_O O_o_O O_o_O '
18:16	davedevils	wtf Oo
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18:16	Yellowberry	!c "Oo"*10
18:16	MinetestBot	'OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo'
18:17	Yellowberry	lol
18:17	Yellowberry	!c "Oo"*10+"O"
18:17	MinetestBot	'OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO'
18:17	Krock	!c "Yellowberry "*3.1
18:17	MinetestBot	TypeError: can't multiply sequence by non-int of type 'float'
18:17	davedevils	!c "Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£" * 500
18:17	MinetestBot	'Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•šÂ£Ã±P45Â½Ã²Mâ€¼Ã²â™¦$â•šâ•š
18:17	Yellowberry	lol
18:17	Yellowberry	over 1024 chars
18:17	PenguinDad	^ eeeâ€‹w
18:17	Yellowberry	wait
18:18	Yellowberry	no
18:18	Yellowberry	256?
18:18	Yellowberry	i'm confuzzled
18:18	Yellowberry	'
18:18	Yellowberry	I close it!
18:18	davedevils	!c "import dbus sys_bus = dbus.SystemBus() hal_srvc = sys_bus.get_object('org.freedesktop.Hal', '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer') pwr_mgmt = dbus.Interface(hal_srvc, 'org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement') shutdown_method = pwr_mgmt.get_dbus_method("Shutdown") shutdown_method()" *1
18:18	MinetestBot	SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
18:19	davedevils	not funny :(
18:19	Yellowberry	!c "zazaza"*-1
18:19	MinetestBot	''
18:19	Yellowberry	lol
18:19	Yellowberry	!c "zazaza"*-9
18:19	MinetestBot	''
18:20	Yellowberry	â€
18:20	freelikegnu	I have a server up
18:20	Yellowberry	â€â€â€
18:20	Yellowberry	â€â€â€â€â€
18:20	Yellowberry	freelikegnu: minetest?
18:20	freelikegnu	minetest plus carbone
18:21	Yellowberry	y u no moontest?!
18:22	Calinou	Moontest is 100 % Princess Luna-approved
18:22	zlsa	!c import math
18:22	MinetestBot	SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
18:23	zlsa	!c str(abs(-20)) * 10
18:23	MinetestBot	'20202020202020202020'
18:23	zlsa	!c str(math.abs(-20)) * 10
18:23	MinetestBot	AttributeError: 'SomeObject' object has no attribute 'abs'
18:23	zlsa	!c str(math.floor(-20)) * 10
18:23	MinetestBot	'-20-20-20-20-20-20-20-20-20-20'
18:23	zlsa	!c str(math.sin(math.pi)) * 10
18:23	MinetestBot	'1.2246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-16'
18:23	zlsa	!c dir(dbus)
18:23	MinetestBot	NameError: name 'dir' is not defined
18:23	freelikegnu	whatever floats your point
18:23	Yellowberry	lol
18:24	* Yellowberry	likes freelikegnu's sense of humor
18:25	freelikegnu	thank you, I'll be lurking all week
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18:26	Yellowberry	woot
18:26	freelikegnu	I must eat now, eating later has left me hungry
18:28	Fritigern	!c math.pi
18:28	MinetestBot	3.141592653589793
18:28	Fritigern	!c 355/113
18:28	MinetestBot	3.1415929203539825
18:29	Fritigern	Eh, close enough
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18:29	Yellowberry	!c math.randint
18:29	MinetestBot	AttributeError: 'SomeObject' object has no attribute 'randint'
18:29	Yellowberry	sheet
18:29	Yellowberry	am I just being stupid?
18:30	Yellowberry	!c math.random
18:30	MinetestBot	AttributeError: 'SomeObject' object has no attribute 'random'
18:30	Yellowberry	yeah
18:30	Yellowberry	!c exit()
18:30	MinetestBot	NameError: name 'exit' is not defined
18:30	Yellowberry	aw
18:30	PenguinDad	!c random.randint(1, 6)
18:30	MinetestBot	6
18:31	Yellowberry	yeah
18:31	Yellowberry	I remembered that
18:31	Yellowberry	also lol
18:31	Yellowberry	!c random.randint(-1337,1337)
18:31	MinetestBot	1188
18:32	Yellowberry	!c random.randint(-1337,1337)*math.pi+69/666
18:32	MinetestBot	-1853.4360620143743
18:32	Yellowberry	perfect seed generator
18:32	Yellowberry	XDXD
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18:32	Krock2	<3 bluescreens
18:32	Yellowberry	haha
18:33	Yellowberry	/nick Krock
18:33	Yellowberry	oh
18:33	Krock	:P
18:33	Krock	- MemoServ: You have 1 new memo.
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18:35	Fritigern	Krock: Funny, my Linux never bluescreens ;-)
18:35	Fritigern	(just teasing)
18:35	Krock	Fritigern, it's a windows-only feature.
18:35	PenguinDad	s/feature/bug/ :P
18:35	Fritigern	Should i be jealous? :-)
18:35	Krock	s/"s/feature/bug/"//
18:35	Krock	Fritigern, yes
18:36	* Fritigern	remembers the glorious days of Win95, and copy con con
18:36	Krock	newer windows versions have a bluescreen too but the nice 0x00F background color disappeared
18:37	davedevils	!c "how many time for make item broken by water ..." + random.randint(1,100) + " hour"
18:37	MinetestBot	TypeError: Can't convert 'int' object to str implicitly
18:37	davedevils	!c "how many time for make item broken by water ..." + random.rand(1,100) + " hour"
18:37	MinetestBot	AttributeError: 'SomeObject' object has no attribute 'rand'
18:38	davedevils	!c "how many time for make item broken by water ..." + random(1,100) + " hour"
18:38	MinetestBot	TypeError: 'SomeObject' object is not callable
18:38	Krock	lol
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18:38	PenguinDad	!c "how many time for make item broken by water ..." + str(random.randint(1,100)) + " hour"
18:38	MinetestBot	'how many time for make item broken by water ...68 hour'
18:38	Yellowberry	!c "how many time for make item broken by water " + str(random.randint(1,100)) + " hour"
18:38	MinetestBot	'how many time for make item broken by water 54 hour'
18:38	Yellowberry	oh
18:38	Yellowberry	darn
18:38	Yellowberry	ninja
18:40	Yellowberry	:D
18:41	Yellowberry	!c ("HAX "+random.randint(1,100)+", ")*random.randint(1,10)
18:41	MinetestBot	TypeError: Can't convert 'int' object to str implicitly
18:41	Yellowberry	woops
18:41	Yellowberry	!c ("HAX "+str(random.randint(1,100))+", ")*random.randint(1,10)
18:41	MinetestBot	'HAX 62, HAX 62, HAX 62, HAX 62, HAX 62, '
18:41	Yellowberry	:/
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18:42	Yellowberry	!c ("HAX "+str(random.randint(1,100))+", ")*random.randint(1,10)
18:42	MinetestBot	'HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, '
18:42	Yellowberry	it seems to be working
18:42	Yellowberry	!c ("I am "+str(random.randint(1,1000))+".")
18:42	MinetestBot	'I am 741.'
18:42	Yellowberry	lol
18:43	Yellowberry	!c ("I am "+str(random.randint(1,1000))+" years old.")
18:43	MinetestBot	'I am 350 years old.'
18:43	raffahacks	"do not abuse the bot" :p
18:43	Yellowberry	raffahacks!
18:43	Yellowberry	you exist!
18:43	Yellowberry	I will fix those typos today
18:43	Yellowberry	and mail them to you
18:44	raffahacks	Yellowberry, are you zsolti? Hi!
18:44	Yellowberry	also, there are multiple bots, so which one?
18:44	Yellowberry	ye, I is
18:44	davedevils	!c ("I make "+str(random.randint(1,100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000))+" second for make this or "+str(random.randint(1,100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000))+" second ? ")
18:44	MinetestBot	'I make 27174804139580977219115389863597382330935707968253068764357309504544386901 second for make this or 27787806551369921317421226511343528911860061053908871334427840241957445799 second ? '
18:45	Yellowberry	davedevils: plz learn english :D
18:45	davedevils	!c ("I make "+str(random.randint(1,100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000)random.randint(1,100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000)random.randint(1,100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000))+"?"
18:45	MinetestBot	SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
18:45	raffahacks	Thank you for your help, I am now making some diagrams to explain well my project. Can you use low-level perl functions?
18:45	davedevils	Ã¨_Ã©
18:45	Yellowberry	mhm
18:45	Yellowberry	woot!
18:46	Yellowberry	Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©
18:46	Yellowberry	!c "Ã¨_Ã© "*69
18:46	MinetestBot	'Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© Ã¨_Ã© '
18:46	davedevils	!c "Ã¨_Ã©" * random.randint(10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000))
18:46	MinetestBot	SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
18:46	davedevils	!c "Ã¨_Ã©" * random.randint(10000000000000000000000000000000,100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000)
18:46	MinetestBot	OverflowError: cannot fit 'int' into an index-sized integer
18:47	Yellowberry	lol
18:47	Yellowberry	if you cause a buffer overflow, sfan5 will kill you
18:47	Yellowberry	!c "Ã¨_Ã©"*69
18:47	MinetestBot	'Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©Ã¨_Ã©'
18:47	davedevils	!tell jambon -
18:47	MinetestBot	davedevils: I'll pass that on when jambon is around
18:48	davedevils	XDDDD
18:48	davedevils	!tell mother -
18:48	MinetestBot	davedevils: yeah, sure, whatever
18:48	Yellowberry	!tell your_manhood :?
18:48	MinetestBot	Yellowberry: I'll pass that on when your_manhood is around
18:48	davedevils	troll -
18:48	iqualfragile	can i into
18:48	iqualfragile	!op
18:48	davedevils	!tell m0ther -
18:48	MinetestBot	davedevils: yeah, yeah
18:48	iqualfragile	please don't abuse the bot, ok?
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18:49	raffahacks	What did she change?
18:49	iqualfragile	you are currently spamming the channel
18:49	iqualfragile	!deop
18:49	davedevils	-
18:49	Yellowberry	davedevils: ##minetestbot
18:49	raffahacks	!op
18:49	Yellowberry	lol
18:49	raffahacks	I don't think it'll work :p
18:49	Yellowberry	raffahacks: you have to be on ze list
18:50	raffahacks	!deop MinetestBot
18:52	raffahacks	!op *
18:53	iqualfragile	please stop it, raffahacks, while minetest is less ontopick then minetest-dev there really is no need for stupidity. if you want to use a command on minetestbot just use a query
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18:54	raffahacks	iqualfragile, ok, i'll stop it :/
18:55	Yellowberry	WW91ciBtb20gaXMgYSBmYWc=
18:56	raffahacks	Bitcoin?
18:56	Krock	base64?
18:57	Yellowberry	he
18:57	raffahacks	Random keys pressed?
18:57	Yellowberry	ye
18:57	Yellowberry	no
18:57	Yellowberry	is B64
18:57	raffahacks	What is it?
18:58	Yellowberry	find a decode on google
18:58	Yellowberry	and decode
18:58	raffahacks	I mean, what does it correspond to uncrypted?
18:58	raffahacks	I have no browser yet :(
18:59	Krock	WW91ciBtb20gaXMgb25lIGFzd2VsbA==
18:59	Krock	^ Yellowberry
18:59	raffahacks	Can the bot decrypt it?
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18:59	Krock	ShadowBot: help
18:59	ShadowBot	Krock: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
18:59	Yellowberry	yes
18:59	Yellowberry	!b64d
18:59	Yellowberry	!b64d hi
18:59	MinetestBot	Yellowberry: Failed to handle data
18:59	raffahacks	Which one?
18:59	Yellowberry	MinetestBot:
19:00	Krock	!b64d SGVsbG8gd29ybGQ=
19:00	MinetestBot	Hello world
19:00	Krock	^^
19:00	Yellowberry	!b64d WW91ciBtb20gaXMgYSBmYWc=
19:00	MinetestBot	Your mom is a fag
19:00	Krock	!b64d WW91ciBtb20gaXMgb25lIGFzd2VsbA==
19:00	MinetestBot	Your mom is one aswell
19:00	raffahacks	Oh i hoped it was Bill Gates credit card number :(
19:00	Yellowberry	lol
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19:00	Yellowberry	brb
19:01	Krock	Yellowberry, looks like you didn't decode mine
19:01	raffahacks	He did
19:01	PenguinDad	!b64e 4chan is taking over!
19:01	MinetestBot	NGNoYW4gaXMgdGFraW5nIG92ZXIh
19:02	raffahacks	No iqualfragile anymore, 4x spam on channel
19:02	davedevils	ttub taf gib taht htiw od ot tahw wonk uoY
19:03	davedevils	!rev wiggle
19:03	MinetestBot	elggiw
19:04	raffahacks	!thisdoesnotexist
19:04	Yellowberry	yeah
19:05	raffahacks	!rainbow nyancat
19:05	MinetestBot	4ny7an8ca3t
19:05	Calinou	hi
19:05	Amaz	!rainbow Hello!
19:05	MinetestBot	4He7ll8o!
19:05	raffahacks	!rainbow rainbow
19:05	MinetestBot	4ra7in8bo3w
19:05	PenguinDad	Hello Amaz!
19:06	Amaz	:D
19:06	raffahacks	Amaz, I am now following you on Twitter :)
19:06	raffahacks	I think...
19:07	Amaz	raffahacks, expect updates to be few and far between :D
19:07	raffahacks	!rainbow All Right Now
19:07	MinetestBot	4All7 Ri8ght3 Now
19:07	raffahacks	Wasn't that a song by rock group Rainbow
19:08	raffahacks	!rainbow Pink Floyd are better anyway! :)
19:08	MinetestBot	4Pink7 Flo8yd a3re bette6r anyway4! :)
19:12	raffahacks	How to make the bot repeat a sentence?
19:12	Calinou	!rainbow Rainbow Dash is best pony.
19:12	MinetestBot	4Rain7bow 8Dash3 is best6 pony.
19:13	raffahacks	Hi Calinou
19:13	freelikegnu	A rainbow is just the Earths way of frowning on your failures
19:17	raffahacks	freelikegnu, are you a Stallman fan?
19:19	Calinou	raffahacks, try not to stigmatize people
19:19	raffahacks	Oh, sorry
19:20	eeeeeta	!rainbow o.o
19:20	MinetestBot	4o7.8o
19:20	raffahacks	It wasn't offensive. I am a Stallman fan
19:21	eeeeeta	raffahacks: relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/225/
19:23	raffahacks	Lol
19:23	raffahacks	Must go, bye
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19:31	eeeeeta	I burnt my house down. ._.
19:34	Krock	too bad.
19:34	Krock	disable fire next time
19:34	eeeeeta	:(
19:35	eeeeeta	any way to get it back?
19:35	Krock	Ctrl+Z won't work
19:35	eeeeeta	;P
19:35	Krock	you'll have to re-build it
19:35	* eeeeeta	curses Calinou
19:36	_awaylikegnu	yeah i like tms
19:36	_awaylikegnu	RMS
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19:38	ElectronLibre	eeeta, I'm not sure there is anything to bring back you house :/
19:40	Zephlon	!rainbow Woah what? A rainbow command!? :O
19:40	MinetestBot	4Woah7 wha8t? A3 rainbow6 command4!? :7O
19:42	PenguinDad	Zephlon: Yes she has a rainbow command
19:42	* sfan5	hugs MinetestBot
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19:49	* eeeeeta	catifies sfan5
19:49	* sfan5	meows at eeeeeta
19:49	* eeeeeta	cats
19:50	* eeeeeta	meows back at sfan5
19:50	* sfan5	paws eeeeeta
19:50	* eeeeeta	emits a loud Ä“
19:50	* eeeeeta	goes back to rebuild his burnt down Minetest house
19:51	* eeeeeta	wonders if sfan5's worldedit could help
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19:51	* sfan5	paws eeeeeta
19:57	sfan5	!op
19:58	sfan5	!deop
19:59	eeeeeta	sfan5: how do you un-//hide
20:00	eeeeeta	I accidentally my whole house
20:00	sfan5	//show maybe
20:00	sfan5	I dunno
20:00	sfan5	read the docs
20:01	eeeeeta	there is no //show
20:01	eeeeeta	oh, //restore
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20:21	_Esteban	hai @everyone
20:22	kaeza	hai
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20:23	_Esteban	I have a doubt about some mods...is it true mods like technic/pipeworks can cause lag in multiplayer servers?
20:24	MinetestBot	[git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix erroneous lua_pop parameter db25f75 http://git.io/XxgXuQ (2014-10-30T16:23:48-04:00)
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20:29	DFeniks	i wonder if i did the message right...
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20:39	_Esteban	brb :P
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20:54	OldCoder	Hm. I am getting 100% timeouts from Kindle users now. Not sure why. It worked until recently.
20:54	Calinou	that's cool
20:55	Calinou	how did you do it?
20:55	OldCoder	?
20:55	OldCoder	Calinou, who are you addressing?
20:55	coagen	lol
20:55	coagen	I think he's hating on Kindle users?
20:55	VanessaE	aren't kindles still stuck with 0.4.7 or something REALLY old?
20:56	Calinou	coagen, no, illegal mobile clients
20:56	Calinou	(and in general mobile Minetest players are quite of bad quality)
20:56	coagen	illegal?!!
20:56	Calinou	they violate the license
20:57	Calinou	no source code
20:57	VanessaE	coagen: illegal - because they... yeah
20:57	coagen	dafuck?
20:57	OldCoder	Yes but why did it just break this week? I have tried with and without my patches and Sapier's patch
20:57	OldCoder	It just stopped working
20:57	OldCoder	And I tried both old and new gits
20:57	VanessaE	OldCoder: network filter upstream from your server maybe?
20:57	OldCoder	It is independent of our feelings about Kindle
20:57	OldCoder	But just for the Kindle?
20:58	VanessaE	perhaps - something that only affects that build. remember minetest's network stack is a little...touchy
20:58	VanessaE	and mobile clients doubly so
20:58	OldCoder	TImeouts; they are timing out even with regenerating cache and timeout set to 5 seconds
20:58	OldCoder	Yes
20:58	OldCoder	<tjbeylik> ill miss everyone so bad
20:58	OldCoder	But when a kid says that, how can I just say "so long" ?
20:59	coagen	Gamarnik Maksim Dmitrievich ?
20:59	VanessaE	what else CAN you say?
20:59	coagen	who is that
20:59	OldCoder	I will look further at the timeouts, Vanessa. What confuses me is what changed...
21:00	OldCoder	I rebuilt the curl cache, tried old and new git releases, and both of the recent patches
21:00	OldCoder	Well, not much more to say
21:00	OldCoder	Except...
21:00	VanessaE	OldCoder: I would guess it's just some change in the topology of the internet near your server, just enough to 'throw off' your patch to the point that it no longer works.
21:00	VanessaE	e.g. "circumstances beyond your control'
21:00	OldCoder	If I set timeout to 5 seconds as a test, shouldn't that be enough?
21:00	Jordach	Kindles are able to run sapier's builds
21:00	OldCoder	Yes and it worked until this week
21:00	VanessaE	Jordach: yes, but kindle USERS aren't, as a general rule.
21:00	OldCoder	Hm
21:01	OldCoder	Link?
21:01	VanessaE	Jordach: 99% of kindle users don't know how to even sideload, let alone how to find Sapier's build.
21:01	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9389
21:01	VanessaE	OldCoder: ^^
21:01	coagen	https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Minetest.Mobile.FREE&hl=en this was updated 4 days ago...
21:01	OldCoder	R
21:01	coagen	using 0.4.11-dev version
21:01	OldCoder	Ah!!
21:02	OldCoder	Does the Kindle auto-update??
21:02	VanessaE	idk
21:02	coagen	probably
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21:02	VanessaE	coagen: that is not the real Minetest
21:02	coagen	duh
21:02	VanessaE	that's an illegal port also
21:02	coagen	illegal how?
21:02	OldCoder	DFeniks, tell him to come back, we have a likely explanation
21:02	coagen	i'm still not getting that
21:02	OldCoder	DFeniks, you are on a server with him presently, correct?
21:02	* Jordach	has a WinXP VM
21:03	VanessaE	coagen: that "sourse" [sic] link doesn't point to valid source code and as far as I am aware can't be used to create a working build of the real Minetest.
21:03	* Jordach	considers wrecking it with malware and reimaging it
21:03	VanessaE	ergo, it violates the LGPL
21:04	OldCoder	One more question and I g2g. Players can check release, correct? But not clear what key on the Kindle.
21:04	VanessaE	no idea on kindle, OldCoder
21:04	OldCoder	kk
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21:04	coagen	VanessaE: I'm looking at this code... wtf, this is really weird
21:05	coagen	VanessaE: whomever this is has contributed to every minetest related project out there though
21:05	coagen	VanessaE: https://github.com/MoNTE48
21:05	VanessaE	coagen: case in point. plus, that version is ad-laden. I don't think anyone among the core devs or here in these channels supports that notion
21:06	coagen	VanessaE: yeah, I noticed, they are making money from the ad free version no doubt
21:07	coagen	Worldcraft... what is this?
21:08	VanessaE	another fork
21:08	VanessaE	and generally hated by most of us here.
21:09	VanessaE	primarily because it was impossible to contact the people who made it and they left it in a horribly outdated state for a very long time, forcing us to field way WAY too many support questions.
21:09	VanessaE	and it was even more illegal as it provided ZERO source code
21:09	VanessaE	(not even a link to something questionable)
21:09	VanessaE	at least for a long while that was the case
21:10	coagen	wow
21:10	VanessaE	and when source code did surface, it was outdated
21:10	coagen	crazy yo
21:10	VanessaE	(and not buildable either)
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21:13	coagen	VanessaE: well if any of these damn things were buildable
21:13	PenguinDad	Jordach: Windows XP destruction style? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9DST-6jIBU
21:14	coagen	VanessaE: someone should go and rip out the adlib, and put it on f-droid
21:14	coagen	someone more skilled than me :\|
21:14	coagen	that will make it freely available, and ad free
21:14	VanessaE	I didn't know anyone still used adlibs... thought everything was AC'97 by now ;)
21:15	coagen	hah
21:15	VanessaE	anyway better to use Sapier's builds
21:15	Calinou	AC'97 is dead now, now it's only HD Audio, VanessaE
21:15	VanessaE	Calinou: oh right. I forgot :P
21:16	coagen	VanessaE: there are a lot of projects on f-droid, where they have used the author's source and replaced the ad libs with dummy libs and made a nice app available without ads
21:17	coagen	who is sapier?
21:17	coagen	never seen them here
21:17	VanessaE	he's one of the core devs
21:17	VanessaE	been away a lot lately though
21:17	VanessaE	normally only found in #minetest-dev
21:20	coagen	hrm, thx
21:41	Jordach	WHAT THE FUCK
21:42	Jordach	>latest stable firefox speed dial
21:42	Jordach	>looks literally like shit
21:44	Calinou	it was remade
21:44	Calinou	tip: you can change the window count in about:config
21:44	Calinou	I use 12 here (4 Ã— 3)
21:46	coagen	Jordach: i'm considering trying the ESR version of firefor or Palemoon...
21:46	Jordach	Calinou, where art thou bullshit reset switch
21:46	Calinou	Pale Moon sucks
21:47	iqualfragile	wget all the way
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21:48	coagen	aur/firefox-esr-bin 31.2.0-1 (35)
21:48	coagen	hrm
21:49	coagen	thats not what I expected
21:49	coagen	I thought 24.x was the esr version
21:49	Calinou	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/mAJAyLrexoKa.jpg
21:50	VanessaE	HDX :D
21:51	Jordach	BLEH
21:51	coagen	VanessaE: you have some configs I can look at?
21:51	VanessaE	coagen: purpose of same?
21:51	coagen	VanessaE: minetest.conf yo?
21:51	coagen	VanessaE: yeah
21:52	VanessaE	coagen: sure of course, but what's the purpose?
21:52	coagen	VanessaE: I'm still not htting any hard limits
21:52	* Jordach	can run the full on HDX while VanessaE and her R9 can't
21:52	* kaeza	slaps Jordach with Chromium
21:52	coagen	VanessaE: hardware limits that is, then again, I've only had max 2 ppl on the server.. but lag was terrible cause they were on the other side of the earth I think
21:53	Jordach	I have higher regards for MS than Google, kaeza
21:53	coagen	R9's are awesome, Jordach what have you got?
21:53	Jordach	coagen, AMD A10-APU 6800K
21:53	* coagen	pukes rainbows
21:53	coagen	what
21:53	coagen	thats nothing
21:54	Jordach	i mangaged to get ~14fps at 1080p + HDX512 + normals
21:54	Jordach	on VE-Creative
21:54	* kaeza	slaps Jordach with Intranet Exploder
21:54	coagen	I've got an r9 290 for sale actually
21:54	Jordach	kaeza, IE 10x
21:54	Jordach	kaeza, Android Chrome crashes on 60fps HTML5 videos
21:54	Jordach	IE doesn;t
21:55	coagen	bought it for making doge last year... but switched back to my r9 270 cause it ran cooler
21:56	coagen	that was a dumb investment
21:56	VanessaE	my R9 280X only runs at 69C while mining
21:56	coagen	btw
21:56	VanessaE	(3.1 MH/s X11 algo)
21:56	coagen	oh
21:56	Jordach	kaeza, also: OneDrive + Office 365 is a fucking beast
21:56	coagen	wait you have the 280
21:56	VanessaE	Jordach: and I can run full HDX but it costs fps unless I turn off the filters
21:56	coagen	yeah they run cooler
21:56	VanessaE	but then it's noisy as hell
21:58	coagen	ugh, yeah thats also why I dont want the 290...
21:58	Jordach	coagen, where are you in the world
21:58	Jordach	pls be EU
21:58	coagen	Kentucky, 'murrica fool
21:58	Jordach	goddammit
21:58	coagen	sorry
21:58	Jordach	why do people have hw for sale that isn't in the EU
21:58	VanessaE	I HATE that whole "'murrica"/"'merica" meme
21:58	VanessaE	it's old.
21:58	VanessaE	it's stupid
21:59	VanessaE	and it's horribly inaccurate.
21:59	coagen	VanessaE: sorry, I hate it too... I think I've just given in to the stupid
21:59	Jordach	LIKE YOUR DYING LOBBYIST ECONOMY
21:59	Jordach	"The Pirate Bay infringes human rights"
21:59	VanessaE	Jordach: you mean the government's dieing "lobbyist" economy.
22:00	Jordach	VanessaE, swings both ways
22:00	coagen	well
22:00	VanessaE	no, it doesn't.
22:00	Jordach	err, using a model for movies that doesn't work with modern tech? eg. the no sharing rule
22:00	coagen	plutocracy or whatever
22:00	VanessaE	the average American does not advocate the shit you're talking about.
22:00	Jordach	VanessaE, people share shit all the time
22:01	VanessaE	only the government advocates the "get tough on crime" bullshit arguments, most people actually don't.
22:01	Jordach	and where do the threats come from?
22:01	VanessaE	the government, where else?
22:01	Jordach	no money = no chance of running for president
22:01	VanessaE	HAH
22:01	VanessaE	where do you think the money comes from?
22:01	Jordach	VanessaE, lobbyists provide dosh for them
22:01	coagen	VanessaE: lately I go with "I was born in the empire, but I do not support it" as my excuse for being here....
22:02	VanessaE	do you honestly think they wouldn't find a way anyways?
22:02	VanessaE	our political system is autonomous.
22:02	VanessaE	coagen: that's about how I feel too
22:02	VanessaE	I was born here, but I do not support this country.
22:02	VanessaE	just as I support our troops, but I don't support that which they are fighting for.
22:03	Calinou	you should come to france, if you want to live in a country where you don't support your government :P
22:03	Jordach	VanessaE, can't wait until the US crumbles into a normal power
22:03	Calinou	our president has 14 % popularity
22:03	Calinou	4 % want him to participate to next elections
22:03	coagen	except for the taxes I pay, that support the the wars and death... etc. :\| if I thought I could get away with not paying them... :\| i would
22:03	Jordach	Calinou, guillotine time! :D
22:03	VanessaE	Calinou: didn't you guys just oust a president recently?
22:03	Calinou	no
22:03	Calinou	bye
22:03	coagen	I would love to go to france
22:03	coagen	I think
22:04	VanessaE	I hate when he does that.\
22:04	coagen	don't speak french tho
22:04	tpe	Remote host guillotined the connection
22:04	coagen	except for that one line from that song that translates to "would you like to sleep with me tonight" or something
22:04	coagen	I forget
22:05	coagen	probably could get by with that, and knowing how to say "i'm hungry" and "wheres the toilet" right?
22:05	NemoMT	coagen, I think you would. ;)
22:06	jin_xi	j'ai faim, ou est la toilette?
22:06	VanessaE	I'll stay where I am. yes it sucks here to a certain degree, but I can't say that other places are necessarily any better.
22:06	coagen	lol
22:07	coagen	jin_xi: I'm ready now thx ;)
22:08	gravgun	coagen: i'll be your guide then >:)
22:08	coagen	gravgun: cool!
22:09	gravgun	jin_xi: "la toilette" means washing yourself (e.g shower), "les toilettes", always in plural form, actually means "the toilet"
22:09	coagen	I actually applied for a linux sysadmin job at one of the nuclear research labs in france
22:09	gravgun	coagen: just kidding, sorry :/ Y'know, school, all these things...
22:09	coagen	some years ago, they contacted me for an interview, but I was too much of a pussy to even try
22:09	jin_xi	merci, french is tough to get right
22:10	gravgun	jin_xi: unless it's your native language :P
22:10	gravgun	jin_xi: but even many French-speaking people says french is hard
22:10	coagen	I was afraid of leaving the things i'm familar with I guess :\|
22:10	NemoMT	I support certain aspects of the US, such as freedom.. Even though it seems like it's getting less and less free especially now that you are limited to shooting only whales while in a moving automobile in tennessee.
22:10	Jordach	VanessaE, i'll do a deal with you: you send me a decent GPU say R9 and i'll do ~250 homedecor models
22:12	VanessaE	I don't need your models, I'll make my own...with blackjack! and hookers!
22:12	VanessaE	ah forget the latter two
22:12	VanessaE	:)
22:12	gravgun	:3
22:12	Jordach	suddenly: BFD 0.5 Blackjack and Hookers easter egg update
22:12	gravgun	Too late, I recorded what you said
22:13	VanessaE	Jordach: I've learned JUST enough about using blender to be dangerous. :)
22:13	gravgun	"dangerous"
22:14	gravgun	"dangerous"
22:14	gravgun	Mmmmmm...
22:16	coagen	VanessaE: so, why isn't there an official mt build on the gp store?
22:17	coagen	VanessaE: curious if you know...
22:17	VanessaE	coagen: makes money hand gesture
22:17	VanessaE	that's why.
22:17	coagen	VanessaE: I don't understand
22:17	VanessaE	it costs like $25 to register and put a build up omn google play.
22:17	coagen	VanessaE: ELIF
22:17	VanessaE	and how long that $25 is good for, I don't know.
22:17	coagen	oh
22:18	coagen	yeah its good for the user account
22:18	VanessaE	plus, getting rid of all the clones is a problem.
22:18	coagen	for ever afaik
22:18	coagen	I've built test android apps in the past
22:18	coagen	but i'm no expert
22:18	coagen	if these scam artist are putting it up there... why doesn't someone here do the real thing
22:18	coagen	without ads
22:18	VanessaE	I don't know at all
22:19	coagen	so
22:19	VanessaE	getting rid of the bad builds has been tried in the past
22:19	VanessaE	but it didn't last long
22:19	SylvieLorxu	Open Source communities tend to not like to pay for proprietary services
22:19	VanessaE	and we had nothing to replace them with
22:19	coagen	I didn't say anything about that
22:19	VanessaE	well
22:19	VanessaE	what good does putting up a new build do if you can't get rid of the clones?
22:19	VanessaE	the users will never find the good buil;d
22:19	VanessaE	-;
22:19	coagen	I mean, I don't know if they can be gotten rid of right away, and I don't know if I care about them
22:20	coagen	thats the opposite of postive thinging
22:20	coagen	*thinking
22:20	coagen	if ppl know the real build
22:20	coagen	and rate it
22:20	coagen	etc
22:20	coagen	and install it
22:20	coagen	it will rise in popularity
22:20	coagen	and it will be found
22:20	coagen	first it has to be there
22:20	VanessaE	they DON'T know the real build
22:20	VanessaE	that's the problem
22:20	VanessaE	the average user, unfortunately, is an idiot when it comes do doing a little basic research
22:21	VanessaE	I wish this were not the case
22:21	VanessaE	but it is.
22:21	gravgun	VanessaE: that's basically the problem with EVERY single app based on open-source works not ever mentioning it to the end-user
22:21	Jordach	VanessaE, i could pay that fee, but someone would have to hand me something in return of 1/6th value
22:21	coagen	SylvieLorxu: i'm quite comfortable with paying $25 damn dollars... I mean jeez if thats all thats holding stuff back i'll donate it myself
22:21	coagen	VanessaE: I agree avg users are idiots, but they'll never find the real mt, if its on the gp store
22:21	Jordach	(buy a game on steam and it's a done deal)
22:22	SylvieLorxu	Minetest on F-Droid when?
22:22	coagen	SylvieLorxu: i was saying that should happen
22:22	coagen	earlier
22:22	SylvieLorxu	F-Droid is great
22:22	coagen	MT should be on f-droid
22:22	coagen	I'm surprised its not :
22:22	coagen	:\|
22:23	VanessaE	coagen: they found buildcraft, worldcraft, et al. If they can find those, they can find the REAL Minetest, but that will only be possible if we get rid of the clones.
22:24	SylvieLorxu	https://f-droid.org/forums/topic/minetest/
22:24	SylvieLorxu	F-Droid is sometimes so slow :(
22:24	coagen	VanessaE: that is silly.
22:24	VanessaE	coagen: it's reality
22:24	VanessaE	it sucks but that's just how people are.
22:24	VanessaE	reality is, as they say, often stranger than fiction
22:24	coagen	VanessaE: I disagree. I think if the real MT is there. the clones will be ignored
22:25	coagen	eventually
22:25	VanessaE	coagen: players don't KNOW what the REAL Minetest is.
22:25	VanessaE	that's the problem
22:25	VanessaE	and if there are clones, they sap our market share
22:25	VanessaE	what little of it we get to begin with
22:25	NemoMT	Most players are just looking for a silly MC clone, in my opinion.
22:25	VanessaE	NemoMT: precisely
22:26	coagen	meh...
22:26	NemoMT	Although some players actually know what MT is and are looking for it.
22:26	VanessaE	ANY minecraft clone will do, in their eyes, and if it runs on the Minetest network of servers, all the better - they don't care.
22:26	VanessaE	I am speaking from experience here.
22:27	VanessaE	75% of my servers' users come from tablets.
22:27	VanessaE	they don't even KNOW what they run
22:27	VanessaE	hell some of them don't even know they're running Android
22:28	Jordach	we need as a whole damn species better IT savvyness
22:28	coagen	VanessaE: but does the client provide any kind of agent string that would identify its orgin, worldcraft, or the other one?
22:28	VanessaE	a few can't even figure out how to spell "Kindle" and it's written right there on the device
22:28	coagen	lol
22:28	NemoMT	90% of MT clone android users are young kids. I highly doubt many of them are above the age of 13.
22:28	VanessaE	coagen: no, they don't provide a usable "agent string" if you can call it that
22:28	VanessaE	they all identify as a Minetest 0.4.x build
22:28	VanessaE	(some as old as 0.4.7, some as new as 0.4.10-dev)
22:29	gravgun	VanessaE: is it legally possible to force changing a user-agent string when creating a derivative work of MT?
22:29	gravgun	I mean with (L)GPL, all of this...
22:29	VanessaE	gravgun: I don't know.
22:29	gravgun	Step 1: change the protol, break everything :3
22:30	VanessaE	gravgun: 0.5.0
22:30	VanessaE	that will probably happen then :P
22:31	coagen	VanessaE: thanks for covering this subject in depth, I think I learned a few things
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22:31	VanessaE	coagen: I only know a little bit compared to other folks
22:32	coagen	VanessaE: also, you got some tricked out minetest.conf file I can play with on your site?
22:32	gravgun	coagen, I experience the same rage that VanessaE have right now concerning "clones"...
22:32	coagen	VanessaE: It was quite educational for me ;)
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22:33	VanessaE	coagen: not really, but here is an example .conf from my survival server: http://pastebin.com/bQ883N5R
22:34	hisforeverkid	I got my castle done except the shrubs
22:35	coagen	VanessaE: thx
22:35	coagen	VanessaE: I'll see if I can understand this ;)
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