IRC log for #minetest, 2014-09-14

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01:12	Megaf_	bye all
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01:23	Corvid	Hi
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01:31	blaise	what the fsck do they think this is? walmart?
01:31	blaise	if they're not greeted at the door they leave.. eh?
01:34	twoelk\|2	walmart staff greets within 40 secs?
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01:56	Vazon	is it possible to aliase the unified inventory home and sethome buttons to /home and /sethome so you can set home and home ether way yet only read the unified inventory home file
01:58	blaaaaargh	no, but you may request such a feature
01:58	blaaaaargh	also, -> #minetest-technic
02:06	blaise	lol
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03:46	H-H-H	hey guys do i cook meat like i do in minecraft?
03:46	H-H-H	sorry for such a noob question :)
03:54	Hirato	I actually don't remember, I assume you just stick it in a furnace or something
03:55	H-H-H	i just tried that and it didnt work but the furnace is smelting my stone fine
03:55	H-H-H	i just checked the wiki and apparently you dont cook meat :\|
03:55	H-H-H	thanks for replying tho :)
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03:56	Hirato	I haven't really played since 0.3. anyway :P
04:01	H-H-H	i just downloaded it and thought i would give it a go :)
04:10	blaise	it really depends on the mods that are installed
04:11	blaise	some mob mods allow the cooking of meat
04:11	H-H-H	lol this is so much better than minecraft, for example i just burnt down a load of trees lol
04:11	blaise	farming_plus is nice
04:12	VanessaE_	H-H-H: try my Dreambuilder subgame some time
04:12	VanessaE_	it's laggy at first, but after a few mins generating the world, I think you'll like it
04:13	VanessaE_	also try Calinou's Carbone
04:13	VanessaE_	another kind of subgame
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04:17	H-H-H	thanks guys for suggestions
04:18	H-H-H	when enabling mods for servers what does i mean when certain ones are blu ?
04:18	H-H-H	blue even :\|
04:19	VanessaE_	you don't enable mods for servers.
04:19	VanessaE_	the servers supply the content.
04:19	VanessaE_	the mods you download are only used when you're playing in singleplayer mode.
04:19	H-H-H	ok i meant in the start server config
04:20	H-H-H	it lets you chose world then config that world
04:20	VanessaE_	I forget the meaning of the colors but I think those are mods that are part of a modpack - you only need to turn on the "main" part of that modpack
04:20	H-H-H	which includes a tab for enabling or disabvling mod packs
04:20	VanessaE_	normally the ones in green are the ones you're interested in
04:21	H-H-H	ones in green appear to be enabled and change to white when disabled so i assume the ones in blue are default ones maybe
04:21	VanessaE_	ones in blue are part of some modpack you've installed
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06:03	sol_invictus	anyone knows what handles middle click
06:04	sol_invictus	in the crafting grid?
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06:40	kahrl	sol_invictus: GUIFormSpecMenu
06:41	sol_invictus	kahrl: thank you
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06:45	Krock	Moo moo
06:46	sol_invictus	oh, hay
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07:09	Krock	hi john_minetest
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07:18	Krock	!title
07:18	MinetestBot	Krock: Experience the power of a bookbookâ„¢ - YouTube
07:18	Krock	yes
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07:47	Krock	http://i.imgur.com/BcU7a6F.png
07:49	ElectronLibre	Wow.. Beautiful.
07:49	Krock	yeah
07:49	Krock	somehow, mobs are less laggy than players
07:51	ElectronLibre	It's probably because the server don't have to wait for an answer of the client when he make the entities moving, or a more little answer. It's a good thing :).
07:51	ElectronLibre	But I've never seen a mob with an armor ^^.
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07:52	Krock	ah. you're french. all things are 'it'
07:52	Krock	and not he
07:52	ElectronLibre	Yes x(...
07:53	reactor	Ð©Ñ‰Ñ‰Ñ‰!
07:53	reactor	I mÑ‰an, hÑ‰llo thÑ‰re!
07:53	Krock	*thÑ‰rÑ‰
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07:53	reactor	nÑ‰t nÐ–cessÐ¹rillÑ‰!
07:54	ElectronLibre	Hmm, I'm not the only one who can see these "Ñ‰".
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08:01	Krock	lolololo http://i.imgur.com/g1cJ8WA.gif
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08:02	ElectronLibre	Krock : They are too old to run now..
08:03	Krock	ElectronLibre, yeah
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08:08	ElectronLibre	Krock, did you find this picture by typing !cat ? ^^
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08:09	Krock	ElectronLibre, nope.
08:09	Krock	browsing in imgur
08:09	LemonLake	yes krock
08:09	LemonLake	i love you krock
08:09	ElectronLibre	Ok.
08:09	Krock	LemonLake, I don't love you.
08:09	LemonLake	:'(
08:10	Krock	LemonLake, is there a reason for your love?
08:10	LemonLake	nein
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08:14	Krock	peer and host are evil
08:15	LemonLake	sorry
08:15	LemonLake	shits going down here
08:15	Krock	it's not rainy. it's poopy.
08:15	Krock	omg noez! the username noob is registered now
08:16	LemonLake	hehe
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08:17	Krock	john_minetest, sleepin'
08:18	nman3600	john_minetest, I'm here.
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08:20	Krock	john_minetest, look on bottom (or top) right of your screen. there's a time display
08:22	Krock	hexahedra. got shadows since 4 years ... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JSewbFxl_6U/TQ5jEpkVi0I/AAAAAAAAAKs/1mmBmwQBKMw/s400/compare.jpeg
08:22	Krock	peer!
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08:23	LemonLake	bloody hell that took far too much work
08:23	ElectronLibre	This can probably help you : http://24timezones.com/ .
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08:30	Krock	o/ PenguinDad
08:31	* PenguinDad	squawks at Krock
08:34	nman3600	\o/ PenguinDad!
08:35	Krock	heh. fail https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2QomaUmLLd6I.png
08:38	PenguinDad	Freeminer lol
08:38	ElectronLibre	Why can we see through the window?
08:38	Krock	cuz it's galss
08:38	Krock	glass*
08:38	Krock	cuz freeminer.
08:38	ElectronLibre	Ok, I see.
08:39	ElectronLibre	The inventory slots are beautiful. :)
08:41	Calinou	inventory background is too obstructive
08:41	Calinou	it's exactly the point to be able to see behind it
08:42	Calinou	(something we generally beat Minecraft at)
08:42	Calinou	same goes for hotbar
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09:02	ElectronLibre	It's calm this morning.
09:03	PenguinDad	ElectronLibre: Maybe because most of us is asleep right now
09:04	ElectronLibre	Probably. I don't know what time it is in the US.
09:04	* ElectronLibre	do 11-2=9;9-6=2.
09:06	ElectronLibre	I see, 2 A.M. on the west coast and 5 A.M. on the east coast.
09:07	Krock	gonna hate youtube more and more. they're gonna remove the inbox feature
09:08	PenguinDad	!c (11-2,9-6)
09:08	MinetestBot	(9, 3)
09:08	PenguinDad	^ ElectronLibre
09:08	ElectronLibre	Oups.
09:08	ElectronLibre	*Oops
09:09	ElectronLibre	Thank you MinetestBot.
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09:11	* sfan5	meows at ElectronLibre_
09:12	ElectronLibre_	Hello sfan5 :).
09:12	sfan5	hi
09:13	PenguinDad	Ping pong timeout I guess
09:13	ElectronLibre_	Yes.
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10:24	Megaf_	Hi all
10:25	Megaf_	Hi blaise
10:25	Megaf_	Hi ElectronLibre
10:25	Megaf_	Hi PenguinDad
10:34	Megaf_	People are enjoying the spleef arena :)
10:34	Megaf_	VanessaE_: https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/issues/74#issuecomment-55511264
10:34	Megaf_	noah_: https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/issues/74#issuecomment-55521735
10:34	Megaf_	!title
10:34	MinetestBot	Megaf_: mese filters will no longer take items from furnaces. Â· Issue #74 Â· VanessaE/pipeworks Â· GitHub
10:35	Megaf_	sorry noah_,
10:35	Megaf_	nore: https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/issues/74#issuecomment-55521735
10:35	nore	thanks
10:35	Krock	Megaf_, I guess that's an ara protector issue
10:35	Krock	*area
10:36	Megaf_	blaise: you added slimes :)
10:36	Megaf_	I'm thinking in adding them to my server, but I think it could cause lag
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10:55	ElectronLibre	Hi Megaf_ :).
10:55	* Krock	likes RegSeeker
10:56	* Megaf_	will go fullscreen in minetest
10:57	* Krock	gives Megaf_ F11
10:58	Megaf_	Krock: that doesnt work in minetest, not on OS X
10:58	Megaf_	the OS X version of minetest is quite buggy
10:58	* Hirato	checks git changelogs
10:58	Krock	Megaf_, generally, there's no fullscreen feature
10:58	Krock	go use windows then :P
10:59	Hirato	proller: so what's the deal behind removing what I presume, was code you wrote? :P
10:59	Megaf_	Krock: or Debian, it works very nice on Debian
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11:08	Krock	http://i.imgur.com/s0eRaWF.gif
11:12	* ElectronLibre	is loading. Why the hell are gif pictures enormous...
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11:17	ElectronLibre	Wow Krock, how can he do that? xD
11:17	Krock	ElectronLibre, magic?
11:18	ElectronLibre	I suppose x). No, it's training.
11:20	ElectronLibre	And a lot of plates broken...
11:21	Krock	plastic cups...
11:21	ElectronLibre	Ho, I see.
11:21	Krock	Wow, I'm so helpful https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=154096
11:21	ElectronLibre	A lot of platic cups fallen so.
11:23	ElectronLibre	Singlenode.. Not even at least one node to start somewhere.
11:23	Krock	air is a node
11:23	Krock	just not pointable.
11:23	ElectronLibre	*A solid node
11:23	Krock	a lua mapgen helps.
11:24	* ElectronLibre	likes giving himself air .
11:24	Krock	ElectronLibre, give yourself some wieldhands...
11:24	proller	Hirato, what?
11:25	ElectronLibre	It's funniest giving : yes.
11:25	Hirato	proller: indev and math mapgens among other things
11:25	ElectronLibre	*funnier?
11:26	* PenguinDad	likes giving himself ignore
11:27	ElectronLibre	It's fun too.
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11:29	t7	hey guys, can you write unicode characters on signs in minetest?
11:29	proller	Hirato, they available in freeminer in much better state
11:30	ElectronLibre	I don't think that it's possible t7..
11:30	t7	boo
11:30	ElectronLibre	But I'm not sure.
11:30	Hirato	I'd check, but minetest doesn't seem to work with uim
11:31	t7	i should make a memory palace builder thing
11:32	reactor	t7: some Russian guys playing from laptops could.
11:32	reactor	oops
11:32	reactor	how are those called
11:32	reactor	tablets!
11:32	t7	whats the difference between freeminer and minetest
11:32	PenguinDad	and smartpones
11:32	reactor	I couldn't see the text rendered on those signs.
11:32	jin_xi	t7: for me about 20 fps... in favor of minetest
11:32	proller	t7, http://forum.freeminer.org/threads/full-list-of-changes-from-minetest.110/
11:32	reactor	Had to aim at them to read.
11:33	t7	real liquids ooo
11:33	reactor	Will Minetest ever get a decent shooter functionality?
11:33	Krock	thanks to proller for removing it from minetest
11:33	Hirato	hahaha
11:33	reactor	The firearms mod that exists, is quite laggy.
11:34	t7	farmesh ooo
11:34	PenguinDad	reactor: did you try stu's shooter mod
11:34	PenguinDad	more bs ooo
11:34	Krock	ooo
11:34	proller	super math mapgen with lot of fractals ooo
11:35	Hirato	I still think -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 by default was retarded
11:35	Krock	..and shadows
11:35	Krock	ooo
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11:35	PenguinDad	^ who the fuck needs that?
11:35	reactor	PenguinDad: it was somewhat better, I'm not sure what I didn't like.
11:36	reactor	Was it that guns don't have actual ammo? Or they break protected blocks?
11:36	proller	Krock, i have shadows in very-dev branch, but need moooore work..
11:36	reactor	Speaking of Russia. Anyone hosting a server there?
11:36	Krock	proller, diffrent shadows to the current?
11:36	reactor	I'm still unsure if the new law applies to hosting games.
11:36	Krock	reactor, me but I'm not from Russia
11:37	* Krock	points at sol_invictus
11:37	reactor	Krock: aha, did the hosters have to write to somewhere that they intend to provide an "information service"?
11:37	T4im	reactor: what new law?
11:37	reactor	"bloggers law"
11:37	proller	Krock, fully dynamic shadows
11:37	Krock	reactor, not that I know of
11:38	reactor	It says one must notify something or someone they are going to provide information services.
11:38	Krock	proller, = sunlight depending?
11:38	exio4	is anyone bored? I want to make a super-modular-for-the-lulz setup for IPoIRC and want to know any useless abstraction I could add!
11:38	exio4	https://mediacru.sh/jDBHJ2LtEYul
11:38	Krock	I mean, time-depending
11:38	proller	Krock, yes, and player-torch too
11:39	Krock	proller, if you get that done, I'll give you a cookie.
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11:39	Krock	proller, and if it runs on my PC +/- smoothly, then you'll get a 2nd cookie.
11:39	reactor	Krock: and they didn't notice game owners of any changes?
11:39	proller	Krock, maybe in next year
11:40	Krock	reactor, ehm no
11:40	PenguinDad	Krock: Freeminer doesn't support Windows YP IIRC
11:40	PenguinDad	*XP
11:40	Krock	*XP
11:40	exio4	*XP
11:40	Krock	aagh ninjas
11:40	jin_xi	idk why fm is so choppy for me, turned off maps and wield light and still
11:40	T4im	reactor: it appears to only comply to media that have more than 3000 daily readers
11:40	Krock	PenguinDad, it should support it again
11:40	T4im	apply*
11:40	jin_xi	far mesh is trippy
11:40	reactor	T4im: I initially thought that, too.
11:40	Krock	well, the 0.4.9 version did..
11:41	reactor	What bothers me, T4im, is the law states that one must notify them regardless.
11:41	Krock	exio4, not very havy built graph, it could be more detailed
11:41	exio4	what isn't specified, is because I don't know what to do there
11:41	Krock	*heavy
11:41	T4im	hmm not a good sign.. they try to get the media under control.. and this time include digital media..
11:41	reactor	And when the popularity reaches 3000, then they notify the hoster they have added them to registry.
11:42	reactor	That sucks.
11:42	exio4	(code so far: https://github.com/EXio4/IPoIRC / https://github.com/EXio4/IPoIRC-hs)
11:42	reactor	I had to shut down my server until further clarification.
11:42	T4im	this is effectivly censoring in the making.. or at least their power to do so.. questions is why..
11:42	exio4	the HS version is the one who is supposed to implement the whole modular approach, the C version has a more finished feel because well, it is closer to alpha than proof of concept!
11:42	T4im	:/
11:42	reactor	Well, it's not a bad idea, regarding people write various nonsense.
11:43	exio4	Krock, what details could I add?
11:43	reactor	What worries me is they didn't ever define what they mean by "information services".
11:43	reactor	Only HTTP? Only websites? Everything?
11:44	T4im	when a politicial entitiy tells you to report every user of a media, i doubt it's about preventing false information.. i would guess its about preventing information they dont like :/
11:44	Krock	exio4, message strings informations (auth, chat, status messages..)
11:44	reactor	And some newspaper said they made exceptions for technical art.
11:44	reactor	But I could never find the actual source.
11:44	exio4	Krock, the protocol itself?
11:44	reactor	Only that newspaper article -- I wouldn't trust it.
11:44	exio4	Krock, and "auth/chat/status messages" of what?
11:44	Krock	exio4, yeah. so it won't look that empty
11:44	reactor	T4im: that, too.
11:44	Krock	^ protocol
11:45	reactor	That law would work well if political entities were honest. In reality, they are not.
11:45	reactor	They may and will abuse it.
11:45	exio4	the IRC<->IRC protocol, is kinda simple, two lines could define it, yet I'm not sure if it is the right approach
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11:45	reactor	As for the logs, I'm not eager to keep 100M/day of them.
11:46	reactor	Unless someone bought me some new drives.
11:46	T4im	the problem is, that this would be "use" not "abuse".. i bet it is fully intendet.. you dont pass such a law in these times without political reasons
11:46	exio4	will try to specify/"write somewhere else" as much as I can, then implement the smallest code that does the thing :P
11:46	reactor	T4im: yep
11:46	Krock	exio4, good luck
11:47	exio4	still, any things about the module setup?
11:47	reactor	The idea of public media having some responsibilities for their information is good.
11:47	T4im	and we all know that theres currently a lot of politics going on behind curtains that they dont tell us about :/
11:47	reactor	But the idea.
11:47	reactor	And this implementation is broken.
11:48	reactor	The world looks like a graveyard of broken implementations of originally good ideas.
11:49	exio4	I really think the IRC module shouldn't care about the "inter-clients" protocol communication, but I think it'd be too un-practical to do tbh
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11:50	Krock	Amaz, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2QomaUmLLd6I.png
11:50	Krock	da fail
11:51	Amaz	Grr.
11:51	Krock	I didn't know Amaz has a name
11:52	Krock	john_minetest reached 100% success after 120s
11:53	Amaz	It's the silly screenshot program I use.
11:53	Krock	Amaz, is F12 borken?
11:53	Krock	<r< >o>
11:53	Krock	john_minetest, me. since it doesn't output an empty file
11:54	Amaz	I can't use it in menus.
11:54	Krock	john_minetest, how about Alt + PrintScr?
11:55	reactor	Why not leave screen shooting up to the windowing system?
11:55	reactor	I'm pretty sure every decent window manager allows you to bind it to any key you like.
11:55	Krock	'i3'?
11:55	reactor	Krock: yes.
11:55	Krock	aha
11:57	Krock	why should you wait until making a screenshot? better take t instantly
11:57	Krock	*it
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11:57	Krock	hmm. I wonder what -1s would do
11:57	reactor	Sometimes you do need a delay.
11:58	reactor	john_minetest: time machine?!
12:00	reactor	Are you sure that wouldn't destroy the universe?
12:00	PenguinDad	lol
12:00	Krock	john_minetest, you just traveled back -31709791.983764586504312531709792 years
12:00	LemonLake	hello all
12:00	LemonLake	i have returned
12:00	Krock	!c -1000000000000000 / (606024*365)
12:00	MinetestBot	-31709791.983764585
12:00	Krock	da percision.
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12:03	Krock	- peer quit (Remote host closed the connection)
12:03	Krock	- remote host quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
12:03	LemonLake	o.o
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12:03	LemonLake	we got a fuckin war goin on here
12:04	Krock	yeah
12:06	Amaz	What war?
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12:08	* LemonLake	wonders what to add to factory next
12:10	LemonLake	o.o
12:10	LemonLake	is that how old you are?
12:10	LemonLake	how so?
12:10	Jordach	sfan5, invitey to -stuff
12:10	sfan5	huh?
12:11	sfan5	Jordach: just log in next time
12:11	Jordach	ah
12:11	Jordach	dammit SASL
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12:12	Jordach	better
12:12	Jordach	put one too many chars in
12:13	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
12:18	Krock	https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=leaders o.o
12:18	LemonLake	what is going on with shadwo's name
12:18	LemonLake	and where did everyone else go?
12:18	LemonLake	why is kaeza on there Ã³.Ã³
12:18	Krock	the mushromAdam is missing
12:19	LemonLake	https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=5
12:19	Krock	mhm
12:19	LemonLake	what about a tree farm for factory?
12:19	Jordach	yesh
12:20	LemonLake	two or three nodes that plant saplings and cut them down
12:21	Krock	why not a salpings to wood convertor node?
12:23	LemonLake	like an incubator for trees?
12:25	Krock	This looks cool: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=79925#p79925
12:25	Krock	LemonLake, yeah.
12:25	LemonLake	that sounds interesting
12:25	LemonLake	sapling + coal = 3-6 logs
12:26	Krock	+ fire = laav
12:26	Krock	*lava
12:26	LemonLake	oooh
12:26	LemonLake	a use for portable tanks
12:27	LemonLake	if you put a fire below this node, put in a sapling, and put an empty tank or a lava tank in the second slot, it'd fill the tank with lava
12:27	Krock	add pumps for that
12:28	LemonLake	pumps?
12:28	Krock	to transport the lava
12:28	LemonLake	i see, sorta like pipeworks support?
12:28	LemonLake	and if pipeworks isn't installed the pump just puts it straight into a tank
12:28	Krock	hmm or your own stuff
12:29	LemonLake	im sure i could integrate a similar sort of thing
12:29	LemonLake	essentially a separate pipe for the job
12:30	LemonLake	i'll see what i can do
12:30	LemonLake	is there a group for saplings?
12:30	ElectronLibre	I think yes. group:sapling
12:31	Krock	add a table for outputs
12:31	Krock	don't make it group-wise
12:31	LemonLake	code shows no evidence of it
12:31	* Krock	downloads randisk
12:31	Krock	*ramdisk 4.4
12:31	LemonLake	so a table for input>output
12:32	PenguinDad	*rantdisk :p
12:32	Krock	rentdisk
12:33	LemonLake	now to add moretrees support
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12:40	LemonLake	any more tree mods i should support?
12:41	Krock	!g ramdisk
12:41	MinetestBot	Krock: http://memory.dataram.com/products-and-services/software/ramdisk
12:41	* PenguinDad	prefers "mount -t tmpfs none /some/mountpoint -o size=somesize"
12:45	Megaf_	Krock: Linux has built in ramdisk...
12:45	Megaf_	and it uses it out of the box
12:49	Krock	john_minetest, it's incompatible with windows XP, so I have to use an other program now
12:50	Krock	john_minetest, ramdisks are useful for temponary things and you don't need to care about deleting that stuff
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12:51	Krock	john_minetest, and that's again on the HDD...
12:51	Krock	Win + R -> enter %TEMP%
12:51	Krock	that's where it is
12:52	ElectronLibre	Krock : It is in C:\Windows
12:52	ElectronLibre	*john_minetest sorry
12:53	ElectronLibre	C:\Windows\Temp is the exact directory.
12:53	Krock	ElectronLibre, you can chose where it sohuld go to
12:53	Krock	but in 99% of the cases, it's there. yes
12:54	Krock	C:
12:54	PenguinDad	Backslashes look ugly in paths imo
12:55	Krock	double backslasheslok ugly.
12:55	Krock	*look
12:55	Krock	C:\\Windows\\Temp\\
12:55	ElectronLibre	I don't moodify %TEMP%, I only create some useful others variables like %PROGPATH% for all my programms.
12:55	PenguinDad	/tmp/ looks much nicer imo
12:55	ElectronLibre	Double backslashes is ugly :x...
12:56	ElectronLibre	*are
12:56	Krock	ElectronLibre, %programfiles%?
12:57	ElectronLibre	No, the programs I've created. %PROGrammingfilePATH%
12:57	PenguinDad	%IHASNOIDEAYUUSE%%FORVARIABLES%
12:59	Krock	%CUZGLOBALISGOOD%
12:59	* ElectronLibre	prefers tying %PROGPATH% instead of C:UsersMgDocumentsProgrammation in Explorer.exe.
12:59	ElectronLibre	*typing...
13:00	Krock	A question at school: What are free electrons?
13:00	Krock	> American Electrons
13:00	ElectronLibre	xD
13:01	ElectronLibre	Brainwashing?...
13:01	PenguinDad	I don't get it
13:01	Krock	answer from teacher: I think they only feel free. but that's not the answer
13:02	Krock	PenguinDad, free electrons are those in metals
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13:02	PenguinDad	!server players:most
13:02	MinetestBot	PenguinDad: just test \| 87.110.8.195 \| Clients: 59/78, 57/66 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest \| Ping: 39ms
13:02	ElectronLibre	Whose server is this exactly?
13:02	Amaz	!server players:least
13:02	MinetestBot	Amaz: Creative Server By TnT \| 151.16.113.150:30005 \| Clients: 0/15, 0/0 \| Version: 0.4.10 / minetest \| Ping: 34ms
13:03	PenguinDad	Krock: I know that but I don't get the American Electrons part
13:03	Krock	PenguinDad, too complicated. nvm
13:03	Krock	also, I wonder why Minetest 0.4.8-next gives me more fps than the non-next
13:04	ElectronLibre	Probably a !g could be useful here ^^.
13:04	Krock	which settings adds a smooth look-around?
13:05	PenguinDad	!g Why does Minetest 0.4.8-next give me more fps than non-next?
13:05	MinetestBot	PenguinDad: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8638
13:06	PenguinDad	wat
13:06	Krock	not exactly.
13:06	Krock	!title
13:06	MinetestBot	Krock: [Mod] Creatures [1.1.4 beta] [creatures] - Minetest Forums
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13:07	Amaz	!server players:average
13:07	MinetestBot	Amaz: No results
13:07	Amaz	:(
13:08	ElectronLibre	!server mod:most
13:08	MinetestBot	ElectronLibre: No results
13:08	ElectronLibre	:fail:
13:09	ElectronLibre	Only runs with a name or a player:*?
13:09	Krock	!server help
13:09	MinetestBot	Krock: No results
13:09	PenguinDad	!server port:most
13:09	MinetestBot	PenguinDad: No results
13:09	Krock	lol
13:09	PenguinDad	:(
13:09	* ElectronLibre	retries with mods:most
13:10	ElectronLibre	!server mods:most
13:10	MinetestBot	ElectronLibre: No results
13:10	PenguinDad	!server ping:least
13:10	MinetestBot	PenguinDad: Craig's Server \| 86.157.170.46 \| Clients: 1/30, 3/6 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev / Craig-Server \| Ping: 13ms
13:10	PenguinDad	:O
13:10	ElectronLibre	--'... Ok, it only runs with players:* and ping:*
13:11	PenguinDad	ElectronLibre: port: should theoretically work too
13:11	ElectronLibre	I try.
13:11	ElectronLibre	!server port:least
13:11	MinetestBot	ElectronLibre: No results
13:12	ElectronLibre	This bot really hates me Â°_Â°...
13:12	PenguinDad	!server ping:least i:-1
13:12	MinetestBot	PenguinDad: Craig's Server \| 86.157.170.46 \| Clients: 1/30, 3/6 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev / Craig-Server \| Ping: 13ms
13:13	* ElectronLibre	admire PenguinDad , the master of the bots.
13:14	PenguinDad	I'm not a master I just know how to incorrectly use the commands :p
13:14	Megaf_	!server Megaf
13:14	MinetestBot	Megaf_: Megaf Server v4.0 \| minetest.megaf.info:30003 \| Clients: 3/9, 3/8 \| Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore \| Ping: 1246ms
13:14	Megaf_	It would be nice if the bot could list players on a server
13:14	Megaf_	!server help
13:14	MinetestBot	Megaf_: No results
13:14	ElectronLibre	!server platers:least
13:15	MinetestBot	ElectronLibre: No results
13:15	Megaf_	!server players:least
13:15	MinetestBot	Megaf_: Groglandia \| familygrog.no-ip.org \| Clients: 0/9, 0/0 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest \| Ping: 5888ms
13:15	Megaf_	!server players:more
13:15	MinetestBot	Megaf_: No results
13:15	* ElectronLibre	hates the typos..
13:15	Megaf_	!server players:most
13:15	MinetestBot	Megaf_: just test \| 87.110.8.195 \| Clients: 61/78, 57/66 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest \| Ping: 38ms
13:15	ElectronLibre	!server players:average
13:15	MinetestBot	ElectronLibre: No results
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13:17	Megaf_	!server addr:minetest.megaf.info
13:17	MinetestBot	Megaf_: Megaf Server v4.0 \| minetest.megaf.info:30003 \| Clients: 3/9, 3/8 \| Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore \| Ping: 1246ms
13:17	Megaf_	!server - >3
13:17	MinetestBot	Megaf_: No results
13:18	Megaf_	!server >3
13:18	MinetestBot	Megaf_: No results
13:18	Megaf_	server -=3
13:18	Megaf_	!server -=3
13:18	MinetestBot	Megaf_: No results
13:18	Megaf_	ElectronLibre: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
13:19	ElectronLibre	Thank you.
13:19	Krock	Megaf_, ##minetestbot
13:23	sfan5	uh
13:23	sfan5	what
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13:23	sfan5	Megaf_: !server players:>3
13:24	Megaf_	oh
13:24	Megaf_	!server players:>3
13:24	MinetestBot	Megaf_: just test \| 87.110.8.195 \| Clients: 67/78, 58/67 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest \| Ping: 37ms
13:24	* ElectronLibre	is still loading the Command.md page..
13:24	sfan5	!server players:>3 i:-1
13:24	MinetestBot	sfan5: GoldRush \| 108.94.133.186 \| Clients: 6/40, 4/7 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest \| Ping: 127ms
13:25	sfan5	^ Megaf_ first server with >3 players
13:25	Megaf_	!server Megaf
13:25	MinetestBot	Megaf_: Megaf Server v4.0 \| minetest.megaf.info:30003 \| Clients: 2/9, 3/8 \| Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore \| Ping: 996ms
13:25	PenguinDad	!server ping:>1337
13:25	MinetestBot	PenguinDad: No results
13:26	PenguinDad	:(
13:26	* ElectronLibre	thinks that Megaf_ is very worried about his server ^^.
13:26	Megaf_	Not really, Im not even plaing on it
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13:31	* ElectronLibre	tries something.
13:32	ElectronLibre	!g MendeleÃ¯ev's table
13:32	MinetestBot	ElectronLibre: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableau_p%C3%A9riodique_des_%C3%A9l%C3%A9ments
13:32	ElectronLibre	Thank you (He guess that I'm french xD)!
13:34	ElectronLibre	I already know it... I wasted a !g...
13:37	ElectronLibre	Have anyone ever think to add a translation command with Google Translate? x)
13:38	MinetestBot	[Git] kahrl -> minetest/minetest: Fix typo in comment in chat.cpp 206f076 http://git.io/oJ-KTw (2014-09-14T15:37:27+02:00)
13:38	Krock	why not http://www.bing.com/translator/ ?
13:39	ElectronLibre	I've never heard about it.
13:40	Krock	that typo is irrelevant to the function
13:40	* ElectronLibre	remember that nobody has answer his pull-request..
13:41	Krock	ElectronLibre, looks good. Acceptable
13:43	ElectronLibre	Yes, somebody had a problem and he ask me why /teleport a b returned him "Players doesn't exist", I found that the only fail case in /teleport was player doesn't exist, and that there weren't any verification for the bring privs.
13:43	ElectronLibre	(Not sure about this answer, if somebody want to correct it.)
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13:47	ElectronLibre	Wow, that's two weeks I opened it :D
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13:48	Krock	ElectronLibre, some of my pulls and issues' future are also unknown
13:48	ElectronLibre	Hmm... "Life is unfair".
13:50	ElectronLibre	When somebody will ask me why with only "teleport" privilege, a and b connected, /teleport a b return "player doesn't exist", I will know why :).
13:54	Krock	the life isn't a pony farm
13:54	ElectronLibre	Yes...
14:04	ElectronLibre	It's probably because nobody know how I am and I didn't explain my modifications on the forum (and because a lot of pull-request merged before mine will diseapper...).
14:06	iqualfragile	ElectronLibre: where is your pull request?
14:06	ElectronLibre	Here : https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1591
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14:08	nore	ElectronLibre, you should go to #minetest-dev if you want an answer
14:09	ElectronLibre	Ok...
14:09	nore	it's unlikely you will get one here, you should ask there other devs about their thoughts on your pull
14:09	ElectronLibre	Ok, thank you nore.
14:09	nore	you're welcome :)
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14:32	* Krock	wonders if today's the pull-merge-day
14:33	iqualfragile	Krock: pull-merge-day is never
14:34	Krock	:(
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14:46	PenguinDad	Krock: pull-merge-day is at NaN.NaN.NaN
14:47	Krock	PenguinDad, you can't attach NaN to a string
14:47	Krock	so, it's just NaN
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14:50	PenguinDad	Krock: You're right :/ "ERROR: `convert` has no method matching convert(::Type{ASCIIString}, ::Float64)"
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14:54	* sfan5	meows at PenguinDad
14:55	* PenguinDad	looks at sfan5
14:55	* sfan5	curls up to PenguinDad's lap
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14:57	PenguinDad	<3 http://julialang.org/
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15:03	* Jordach	found a homedecor bug
15:05	twoelk	report to pest control
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15:16	Jordach	wat
15:16	Jordach	create an upside down slab with the screwdriver then sneak jump repeatably
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15:17	Jordach	(preferably on top of another nodebox
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15:22	twoelk	one of several ways to peek on the noclip side of reallity?
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16:36	Calinou	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc4Nzg â†’ the true Phoronix review
16:37	Out`Of`Control	how do i compile latest version?
16:37	Out`Of`Control	debian here
16:38	Krock	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837
16:41	Out`Of`Control	i can't install half of libs listen there
16:41	Krock	mhm any debian users online here?
16:41	Krock	Calinou!
16:44	Calinou	I'm not a Debian user in bare metal, but you can ask
16:44	Calinou	I haven't tested this with Debian
16:44	Out`Of`Control	Debian Unstable
16:45	Out`Of`Control	that compile guide confuses me
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16:47	Out`Of`Control	I download source code, how do i generate make file?
16:48	diemartin	cmake [options] .
16:50	Krock	diemartin, where's your colored title gone to?
16:50	Out`Of`Control	http://pastebin.com/bvcPZecE
16:50	diemartin	colored title? O_o
16:50	PenguinDad	Krock: Somewhere else!
16:51	Krock	diemartin, I remember your forums name in yellow letters
16:51	diemartin	!rainbow Title
16:51	MinetestBot	4T7i8t3le
16:51	diemartin	there ^
16:51	Krock	....
16:51	PenguinDad	diemartin's title is here :>
16:51	diemartin	^that doesn't ping me :>
16:52	diemartin	Krock, ninja powers
16:52	PenguinDad	!rainbow PenguinDad
16:52	MinetestBot	4Pe7ng8ui3nDad
16:52	PenguinDad	^ That does ping me
16:52	diemartin	(a.k.a. a dropdown to select my "default" group)
16:52	Out`Of`Control	any help?
16:52	Krock	!railbow Krock wonders
16:52	Krock	meh
16:53	Krock	!rainbow Krock wonders even more
16:53	MinetestBot	4Kro7ck 8won3ders e6ven mo4re
16:53	Krock	^no ping
16:53	PenguinDad	Krock wonders
16:53	Out`Of`Control	!version
16:53	Krock	https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
16:54	diemartin	Out`Of`Control, try selecting more software sources in the relevant config dialog
16:54	diemartin	or try Google :P
16:54	Krock	or try !g
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16:54	kaeza	!g Krock
16:54	MinetestBot	kaeza: http://krock.com/
16:55	Out`Of`Control	Krock: i can not add Ubuntu or any other sources as i run unstable
16:55	Krock	I know.
16:55	Out`Of`Control	kaeza:
16:55	Krock	Out`Of`Control, I can not help you anyway. Windows user.
16:55	Out`Of`Control	bah
16:56	sfan5	Calinou: today Krock had the idea of adding a proprietary library to minetest and you weren't there
16:56	kaeza	Out`Of`Control, it's here apparently: http://packages.debian.org/sid/cmake
16:57	Flipsels	Any thoughts on this: http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/13/6144359/microsoft-minecraft-deal-rumors
16:57	Krock	sfan5, irc.minetest.ru
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16:57	Flipsels	will it affect minetest?
16:58	kaeza	so something's wrong with your `aptitude` (pun not intended)
16:58	VanessaE_	Flipsels: no.
16:58	Calinou	sfan5, which one?
16:58	Krock	^ aah, commas
16:58	sfan5	Calinou: irrklang
16:58	VanessaE_	Flipsels: minetest is an independent project that will not be altered in any way by that deal, aside from maybe gaining some users as people leave Minecraft.
16:59	MinetestBot	4I'm 7a ca8t, p3lease pe6t me. me4ow :7â€‹3
16:59	* kaeza	pets MinetestBot
16:59	* MinetestBot	purrs
16:59	* VanessaE_	sprays water on MinetestBot
16:59	* Krock	MinetestBots meow
16:59	* MinetestBot	runs away
16:59	* ElectronLibre	wonders how sfan5 did that.
17:00	sfan5	magic
17:00	* ElectronLibre	MinetestBots meow
17:00	Out`Of`Control	running update fix it
17:00	* MinetestBot	meows
17:00	sfan5	!deop sfan5 ShadowNinja VanessaE_
17:00	* PenguinDad	pets MinetestBot
17:00	Krock	!cat
17:00	MinetestBot	http://i.imgur.com/TC7fv.jpg
17:00	ShadowNinja	D-:
17:00	ElectronLibre	How can they add color?
17:00	* MinetestBot	4p7u8r3rs
17:01	ShadowNinja	sfan5: IRC allows four modes at a time...
17:01	sfan5	ShadowNinja: I'm aware
17:01	ElectronLibre	Ho, I forgot,
17:01	ElectronLibre	Hi MinetestBot
17:01	MinetestBot	Hello ElectronLibre!
17:01	Krock	,01meow
17:01	ShadowNinja	sfan5: Fix MinetestBot!
17:01	sfan5	ShadowNinja: pull requests are welcome! ;)
17:01	ShadowNinja	sfan5: Also, I think I know how to fix that master-server issue you had a while ago.
17:01	sfan5	the resetting
17:02	sfan5	?
17:02	sfan5	it's gone now anyway
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17:02	PenguinDad	Krock!
17:02	Out`Of`Control	Calinou: could you add sudo apt-get update to that guide? LOL
17:02	Krock	,00PenguinDad!
17:02	Calinou	Out`Of`Control, maybe
17:02	Calinou	it's often automatically done by the system anyway
17:02	Out`Of`Control	that fixed my problem
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17:02	sfan5	<Calinou> it's often automatically done by the system anyway
17:02	* Out`Of`Control	compiling
17:02	sfan5	[citation needed]
17:02	Calinou	and maybe not needed
17:03	VanessaE_	bbl
17:03	Calinou	new packages are very rare
17:03	Calinou	I'll add it anyway
17:03	PenguinDad	,05Squawk
17:03	MinetestBot	4M7e8o3w!
17:03	* ElectronLibre	runs away...
17:03	Calinou	<sfan5> Calinou: irrklang
17:03	Calinou	what does that do
17:04	sfan5	sound library
17:04	sfan5	!g irrklang
17:04	MinetestBot	sfan5: http://www.ambiera.com/irrklang/
17:04	sfan5	"rKlang is a high level 2D and 3D cross platform (Windows, Mac OS X, Linux) sound engine and audio library which plays WAV, MP3, OGG, FLAC, MOD, XM, IT, S3M and more file formats, and is usable in C++ and all .NET languages (C#, VisualBasic.NET, etc). It has all the features known from low level audio libraries as well as lots of useful features like a sophisticated streaming engine, extendable audio reading, single and multithreading modes, 3d audio
17:04	sfan5	emulation for low end hardware, a plugin system, multiple rolloff models and more. All this can be accessed via an extremely simple API."
17:04	sfan5	there you go
17:04	kaeza	why not DUMB?
17:05	sfan5	kaeza: too dumb
17:05	kaeza	<_<
17:05	sfan5	>_>
17:05	kaeza	http://dumb.sf.net
17:06	* kaeza	would love to be able to play module files
17:06	kaeza	using OGG for BGM is wasteful
17:06	Out`Of`Control	thanks it works now
17:07	Calinou	how about we write a remote_media guide?
17:07	Calinou	we don't use .xpm for images after all
17:08	ShadowNinja	sfan5: Yes. Flask makes globals into request context thread locals.
17:08	ShadowNinja	But it gives you an object to use globals.
17:09	sfan5	Calinou: fell free to write one
17:09	Calinou	you made the remote_media complicated stuff
17:11	sfan5	Â¯\_(ãƒ„)_/Â¯
17:11	sfan5	my script is easy to use
17:11	sfan5	jm
17:11	sfan5	hm
17:12	sfan5	looking at the servers.minetest.net logs I have the feeling that there are more buildcraft iOS users than PC
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17:13	* ElectronLibre	likes to be automatically connected when he is disconnected.
17:13	Out`Of`Control	any way/tricks to load media/texture faster?
17:14	ElectronLibre	In Minetest > Settings > Preload Item Visual = false.
17:15	sfan5	^
17:15	Out`Of`Control	old version from debian repos load much faster
17:16	ElectronLibre	Probably because there is less textures and less files to load.
17:16	Calinou	<sfan5> my script is easy to use
17:16	Calinou	obscure
17:16	Calinou	why do we have to encode?
17:16	sfan5	encode?
17:16	Calinou	rename the files to weird stuff
17:16	Calinou	why can't we just use index-less method
17:16	Out`Of`Control	i connect to same server
17:16	Calinou	what's the advantages of the index-less method? index-y method?
17:16	Calinou	such a guide would let you know all that
17:16	sfan5	Calinou: because the client can't know whether the default_stone.png the server has is the one it wants
17:17	Calinou	instead of wondering why and not knowing why something doesn't work
17:17	sfan5	the server sends the client hashes
17:17	sfan5	the client needs the files with those hash
17:17	Calinou	<sfan5> looking at the servers.minetest.net logs I have the feeling that there are more buildcraft iOS users than PC
17:17	Calinou	mobile is a gigantic market
17:17	sfan5	Calinou: I'll be doing statistics of the last 10 days
17:17	Calinou	just test has 70 playersâ€¦
17:17	Calinou	we need server banning
17:17	sfan5	we have that
17:17	Calinou	and guest disabling in the default game
17:18	Calinou	guest was a terrible idea
17:18	Calinou	made by proller/sapier
17:18	Calinou	as usual :P
17:18	sfan5	but we don't exercise it for too many players
17:19	Calinou	the server is bad-quality, the players are bad-qualityâ€¦
17:19	sfan5	then the people will just go to the next server
17:19	sfan5	!server i:2
17:19	MinetestBot	sfan5: Liberty Land Minetest \| m.ayntest.net \| Clients: 25/35, 14/26 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest \| Ping: 76ms
17:19	sfan5	that one
17:19	Calinou	or they would leave
17:19	sfan5	they won't
17:19	Calinou	not sure if player quality is good on any high-popularity public server
17:19	sfan5	Â¯\_(ãƒ„)_/Â¯
17:20	Megaf_	Hi
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17:46	sfan5	holy shit
17:46	sfan5	0.4.7 or older -> 281903 52.78%
17:46	sfan5	serious version problem here
17:46	sfan5	^ Calinou clients of the serverlist in the last _10_ days
17:47	ElectronLibre	O_O
17:48	Calinou	change protocol at each version?
17:48	Calinou	most games do this
17:48	sfan5	how about no
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17:50	PenguinDad	We should really have the ability to get a client's version from lua
17:50	sfan5	nah
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17:52	MinetestBot	EvergreenTree: 09-13 09:45 UTC <PenguinDad> <3 https://soundcloud.com/excision/excision-shambhala-2014-mix
17:53	EvergreenTree	PenguinDad: \o/
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17:57	PenguinDad	EvergreenTree: /o\
17:59	EvergreenTree	PenguinDad: https://soundcloud.com/dubstep/twine-killing-machine-edmcom-premiere
18:00	jin_xi	ugh turned off my computer when i meant to wake it.
18:00	jin_xi	it has no keyboard and no power buttons and such, so i short a connector on the mobo
18:01	jin_xi	but when you get the wrong one... oh well
18:02	kahrl	jin_xi: be glad you didn't get the 5V to GND one
18:02	Megaf	lol
18:03	Megaf	Ive done that several times
18:03	Megaf	sometimes I forget the right pin and just begin to short all pins till I manage to wake it up
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18:06	jin_xi	kahrl: why what can happen?
18:07	kahrl	dunno, haven't tried yet :P
18:08	kahrl	actually I think if your power source isn't utter crap it shouldn't cause damage
18:09	Calinou	<jin_xi> it has no keyboard and no power buttons and such, so i short a connector on the mobo
18:09	Calinou	why don't you have one?
18:09	Calinou	you should never do that
18:09	Calinou	good motherboards have buttons to power up anyway
18:09	Calinou	which acts like an usual power button
18:10	jin_xi	its an old laptop without much of its casing
18:10	Out`Of`Control	jin_xi: you short power button pins?
18:11	jin_xi	i put the scissors over the solder of the connector where the part of the casing with volume and powerbuttons was connected
18:11	jin_xi	carefully...
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18:16	Calinou	this is jin_xi: http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/048.jpg
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18:23	sfan5	Calinou: "armv7 -> 168933 69.36%" mobile is a huge market you say?
18:23	Calinou	what's that number and percentage?
18:24	sfan5	number of devices running 0.4.10 that use the armv7 arch
18:24	sfan5	and percentage those vs. all 0.4.10 clients
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18:27	Calinou	that's a lot?
18:27	sfan5	yes
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18:31	sfan5	Desktop -> 68212 28.00%
18:31	sfan5	Mobile -> 175286 71.97%
18:31	sfan5	^ Calinou: more precisely
18:31	ElectronLibre	O_O
18:31	Amaz	sfan5, is that the number of downloads?
18:31	sfan5	not that surprising
18:32	sfan5	Amaz: dunno, I don't host that
18:32	sfan5	I'll publish the full stats later
18:32	Amaz	Any idea what does the number refer to?
18:33	sfan5	total: 243529
18:33	sfan5	(all 0.4.10 clients)
18:36	sfan5	"Windows 5.1-Szervizcsomag_3"
18:36	sfan5	o.o
18:41	sfan5	FreeBSD -> 20 00.00%
18:41	sfan5	poor BSD users
18:42	Out`Of`Control	its dl statistic?
18:42	sfan5	no
18:43	sfan5	statistics for polling the server list
18:43	sfan5	the last 10 days
18:43	sfan5	only the 0.4.10 clients
18:43	sfan5	(because only 0.4.10 sends that info)
18:43	Out`Of`Control	android version is on f-droid?
18:43	sfan5	possibly
18:44	Out`Of`Control	its not there :/
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18:48	Megaf	!server Megaf
18:48	MinetestBot	Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 \| minetest.megaf.info:30003 \| Clients: 8/20, 5/8 \| Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore \| Ping: 258ms
18:49	ElectronLibre	You're really worried about your server Megaf ^^...
18:49	Megaf	even the clients quantity is not corrent
18:49	Megaf	oh, it is
18:49	Megaf	nevermind
18:49	Megaf	ElectronLibre: is the only server that I remeber the name
18:50	Megaf	!server Linux
18:50	MinetestBot	Megaf: LinuxGaming.us \| LinuxGaming.us \| Clients: 4/20, 3/7 \| Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest \| Ping: 5270ms
18:50	Megaf	LazyJ_2: My ping is better then yours
18:50	Megaf	lol
18:55	Amaz	Megaf, what port of your server do you recommend?
18:56	Megaf	Amaz: It only listens to port 30003
18:56	Amaz	Ah.
18:56	Amaz	Did you have sereral servers up at one point?
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19:18	ShadowNinja	sfan5: Actually it turns out that globals are O.K. But I moved the DB functions into a class, which seems cleaner to me. Comments? http://sprunge.us/HjBZ?diff
19:18	ShadowNinja	I'll push a config.py ->config-example.py and .gitignore+config.py meanwhile.
19:19	sfan5	ShadowNinja: every 10 secs for the old server purging
19:19	sfan5	is ok
19:19	sfan5	ShadowNinja: looks good, push
19:19	ShadowNinja	sfan5: You can set that then, but that's a relatively heavy operation.
19:19	sfan5	kk
19:20	sfan5	then 2 secs
19:20	ShadowNinja	And it doesn't have to be done often really, it doesn't change often.
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19:26	ShadowNinja	sfan5: The purging time change was for testing, switched back to 1 minute.
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19:31	MinetestBot	[Git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/master-server: Move server list management functions into a class 561cfb5 http://git.io/Jqemzw (2014-09-14T15:29:51-04:00)
19:31	MinetestBot	[Git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/master-server: Add __pycache__ to .gitignore e93a04f http://git.io/3DGV_g (2014-09-14T15:29:51-04:00)
19:31	MinetestBot	[Git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/master-server: Move config.py to config-example.py and .gitignore the real config 3a891e5 http://git.io/1nSvjQ (2014-09-14T15:29:50-04:00)
19:35	MinetestBot	[Git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/master-server: Change default development server listen address back to 127.0.0.1 8c0dd17 http://git.io/4zUzJw (2014-09-14T15:33:24-04:00)
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19:42	Amaz	Any chance of this pull being merged soon? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/294
19:42	sfan5	!title
19:42	MinetestBot	sfan5: Enable dungeons by default by Amaz1 Â· Pull Request #294 Â· minetest/minetest_game Â· GitHub
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20:27	zat	Freenode keeps acussing me of excess flow...
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20:29	VanessaE_	build a better dam?
20:29	VanessaE_	use a better maxi pad? :)
20:29	zat	eh
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20:33	Daryl_	VanessaE, May i have Interact on 1 of your servers?
20:33	VanessaE_	which one?
20:33	Daryl_	surivial ill Log in soon
20:33	VanessaE_	ok
20:37	zat	is there even a purpose on playing without interact?
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20:40	VanessaE_	I don't grant it by default. griefing control measure
20:40	VanessaE_	many servers are that way
20:40	VanessaE_	keeps people from just signing on, destroying shit, and signing off before they're caught
20:40	sfan5	I just read "decorating shit"
20:41	sfan5	I was confused
20:41	VanessaE_	haha
20:41	sfan5	like
20:41	sfan5	friendly griefers
20:41	sfan5	they log on, decorate stuff and leave
20:41	VanessaE_	decorating shit: "polish a turd, it's still a turd!"
20:42	Daryl_	lol
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20:44	Daryl_	wow some 1 has alot of Textures on the surivial server XD
20:44	VanessaE_	yep
20:44	VanessaE_	Dreambuilder game
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20:45	VanessaE_	somewhere upwards of 8000 defined nodes/items I guess. 5028 texture files on the remote_media server.
20:45	VanessaE_	s/texture files/media files/
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20:46	VanessaE_	I wish there were an in-engine thing to print that total at startup.
20:48	Daryl_	WOW This place changed alot since i been around
20:49	iqualfragile	Daryl_: which place?
20:49	iqualfragile	how to fake serverlist entries?
20:49	iqualfragile	(its for a good cause, i swear)
20:50	Daryl_	Oh... Vanessa servival server is what i was pointing too been a Long time since i played on this server
20:50	kaeza	<_<
20:50	iqualfragile	ah, ok
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20:55	casimir	VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8917#p140249
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21:04	VanessaE_	casimir: oh, that's handy
21:05	Daryl_	Finely logged in yay :)
21:05	blaise	Megaf: I see you popped in on my server.. :)
21:06	Megaf	blaise: yep
21:06	Megaf	blaise: well, your server have lag because you have lots of mobs and mods
21:06	blaise	yer
21:06	blaise	I removed most of the mobs actually
21:07	blaise	I do need to audit my mods though
21:07	Megaf	try that, in minetest.conf change dedicated_server_step = 0.1 to 0.3
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21:08	blaise	I had it set to 0.2 as per your recommendations
21:08	blaise	Megaf: should I try 0.3 ?
21:08	Megaf	blaise: before that, see the CPU use but minetestserver
21:10	blaise	it seems to be bouncing between 24 to 30 % cpu
21:10	Megaf	blaise: see use by core
21:10	blaise	when no one is online it sits at about 2 or 5 %
21:10	Megaf	top -H
21:10	blaise	I only have one core
21:10	blaise	and I'm looking at glances
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21:11	hisforever	what is the ore Mses?
21:12	hisforever	what is Mese sorry for tyops
21:12	iqualfragile	blaise: what happened to your other cores?
21:12	iqualfragile	hisforever: its the best ore in minetest
21:12	iqualfragile	you can build stable and quick pickaxes out of it
21:12	iqualfragile	or use the mod mesecons and create redstone-like things
21:13	blaise	it's an Intel Pentium M centrino 1.73GHz (Dothan)
21:13	hisforever	ty I was woundering if it was an ore in the real world
21:13	iqualfragile	hisforever: no
21:13	blaise	lol
21:13	hisforever	ty just was courious
21:14	blaise	I have more than one machine, unfortunetly minetest doesn't have the capability to distribute cpu load to multiple machines
21:14	blaise	althought that would be a very nice feature
21:14	blaise	:D
21:15	blaise	I do run compile farms.. :)
21:20	blaise	Megaf: ServerThread seems to be anywhere from 14 to 29 %
21:21	blaise	Megaf: ConnectionSend and ConnectionReceive seems to both take up a static 7% each
21:21	blaise	or, 0.7% each I mean
21:21	blaise	all in all though, the machine mostly stays idle
21:22	blaise	even with peoples on it
21:24	Megaf	blaise: same on my server, but still laggy sometimes
21:29	blaise	yeah..
21:29	blaise	I'm not so sure there's anything we can do about that
21:30	blaise	even with a plain vanilla server with no mods at all it seems to be laggy..
21:30	blaise	if I was a better coder I would try and help optimise the code, but I'm not
21:40	proller	"it was already fixed in freeminer"
21:42	iqualfragile	proller: please explain exactly what was fixed
21:42	iqualfragile	the only things i saw were patches to not execute things that should have been executed
21:43	proller	huge lag was fixed, now lag just big
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21:55	Megaf	Id like this to be on git. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4111
21:55	Megaf	!seen lemonlake
21:55	MinetestBot	Megaf: lemonlake was last seen at 2014-09-14 12:40:36 UTC on #minetest
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22:53	VanessaE_	omg, it's OVER 9000!
22:53	VanessaE_	Dreambuilder: There are 11414 registered items.
22:53	VanessaE_	O_O
22:58	Azelphur	I'm playing with the minetest server, I'm wondering if the client and the server need the same mods installed?
22:58	Menche	nope
22:58	Menche	only on server
22:59	Azelphur	sweet
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22:59	Menche	mods on the client are actually ignored
22:59	kaeza	Azelphur, the mods are server-side; the client only downloads whatever's needed (media files, node definitions, etc)
22:59	Azelphur	kaeza: sweet :)
22:59	kaeza	well, this thing is lagging <_<
23:00	* kaeza	wants to kill his modem... yet again
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23:03	proller	its not modem problem ;)
23:05	kaeza	tell that to my 180s (yes, s) ping
23:06	Menche	O.o
23:06	Menche	180s
23:07	exio4	kaeza, stop using my network!
23:08	* kaeza	hugs exio4
23:08	* exio4	hugs back
23:08	VanessaE_	proller: he has problems retaining basic connectivity without minetest.
23:08	VanessaE_	please do not assume.
23:12	exio4	VanessaE_, fixed in freeminer
23:13	kaeza	(C) 2013 proller
23:14	proller	yes, fm/next have less problems on laggy/lossly connections
23:14	exio4	didn't know it could work nicely with 180s of lag
23:14	exio4	what does it use? a time machine?
23:14	proller	ping!
23:15	proller	smart packet prediction
23:15	exio4	oh, neat
23:15	exio4	didn't know it could see 3 minutes in the future
23:15	Menche	sends data by copying the packets to a microSD card and mailing it to the destination
23:15	Menche	faster
23:15	kaeza	plol
23:17	exio4	the future is IPoIRC
23:17	Menche	has option to use pidgeons instead of mail. cheaper but more packet loss.
23:18	VanessaE_	proller: explain how less-laggy minetest/freeminer affects kaeza's ability to maintain a connection to IRC, please. Especially if Minetest et al. isn't even running
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23:19	exio4	freeminer can predict IRC packets
23:19	exio4	VanessaE_, it knows what you will think
23:19	proller	VanessaE_, try to read all from start
23:19	VanessaE_	proller: no, YOU read all from the start please.
23:20	proller	no, you
23:20	VanessaE_	I did.
23:20	VanessaE_	kaeza's problem has nothing to do with minetest at all. it's a connectivity issue because of a screwed up modem.
23:21	proller	read upper
23:21	kaeza	proller, my comment on lag was on the fact that I answered to Azel_pur's question, but by the time it went thru the pipe, Men_che already answered like 4 times, now, please, stfu
23:21	VanessaE_	[09-14 19:00] <kaeza> well, this thing is lagging <_<
23:21	VanessaE_	[09-14 19:00] * kaeza wants to kill his modem... yet again
23:21	VanessaE_	[09-14 19:04] <proller> its not modem problem ;)
23:21	VanessaE_	FAIL
23:22	exio4	kaeza, I am the only that can know that feelin <3
23:23	exio4	proller, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs
23:23	exio4	actually
23:23	exio4	listen to that song, best song ever
23:23	exio4	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs
23:23	exio4	!title
23:23	MinetestBot	exio4: Denis Leary - Asshole (Uncensored Version) - YouTube
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23:33	VanessaE_	bbl
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23:40	h4iku	Megaf:
23:40	RumiaGloop	butts
23:40	Megaf	yes?
23:41	h4iku	Megaf: how are you? I was playing and it has disconnected, and now, when I try to connect it says "Too Many Users"
23:41	h4iku	Megaf: there're too many users really or it's another problem?
23:41	Megaf	!server Megaf
23:41	MinetestBot	Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 \| minetest.megaf.info:30003 \| Clients: 7/9, 6/8 \| Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore \| Ping: 262ms
23:42	Menche	admin set a max user limit?
23:42	Megaf	you should be able to join, but let me increase the user limit
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23:42	h4iku	ok
23:42	Megaf	h4iku: try now
23:42	Megaf	please
23:42	h4iku	Megaf: I'm trying
23:42	Megaf	!server Megaf
23:42	MinetestBot	Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 \| minetest.megaf.info:30003 \| Clients: 7/9, 6/8 \| Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore \| Ping: 262ms
23:43	h4iku	!server Megaf
23:43	MinetestBot	h4iku: Megaf Server v4.0 \| minetest.megaf.info:30003 \| Clients: 7/9, 6/8 \| Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore \| Ping: 262ms
23:43	h4iku	cool command
23:43	h4iku	It's loading textures...
23:43	h4iku	;)
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