Time  Nick             Message
00:18 exio4            hi!
00:54 lemonlake_       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9277&p=154060#p154060
01:12 Megaf_           bye all
01:23 Corvid           Hi
01:31 blaise           what the fsck do they think this is? walmart?
01:31 blaise           if they're not greeted at the door they leave.. eh?
01:34 twoelk|2         walmart staff greets within 40 secs?
01:56 Vazon            is it possible to aliase the unified inventory home and sethome buttons to /home and /sethome so you can set home and home ether way yet only read the unified inventory home file
01:58 blaaaaargh       no, but you may request such a feature
01:58 blaaaaargh       also, -> #minetest-technic
02:06 blaise           lol
03:46 H-H-H            hey guys do i cook meat like i do in minecraft?
03:46 H-H-H            sorry for such a noob question :)
03:54 Hirato           I actually don't remember, I assume you just stick it in a furnace or something
03:55 H-H-H            i just tried that and it didnt work but the furnace is smelting my stone fine
03:55 H-H-H            i just checked the wiki and apparently you dont cook meat :|
03:55 H-H-H            thanks for replying tho :)
03:56 Hirato           I haven't really played since 0.3. anyway :P
04:01 H-H-H            i just downloaded it and thought i would give it a go :)
04:10 blaise           it really depends on the mods that are installed
04:11 blaise           some mob mods allow the cooking of meat
04:11 H-H-H            lol this is so much better than minecraft, for example i just burnt down a load of trees lol
04:11 blaise           farming_plus is nice
04:12 VanessaE_        H-H-H: try my Dreambuilder subgame some time
04:12 VanessaE_        it's laggy at first, but after a few mins generating the world, I think you'll like it
04:13 VanessaE_        also try Calinou's Carbone
04:13 VanessaE_        another kind of subgame
04:17 H-H-H            thanks guys for suggestions
04:18 H-H-H            when enabling mods for servers what does i mean when certain ones are blu ?
04:18 H-H-H            blue even :|
04:19 VanessaE_        you don't enable mods for servers.
04:19 VanessaE_        the servers supply the content.
04:19 VanessaE_        the mods you download are only used when you're playing in singleplayer mode.
04:19 H-H-H            ok i meant in the start server config
04:20 H-H-H            it lets you chose world then config that world
04:20 VanessaE_        I forget the meaning of the colors but I think those are mods that are part of a modpack - you only need to turn on the "main" part of that modpack
04:20 H-H-H            which includes a tab for enabling or disabvling mod packs
04:20 VanessaE_        normally the ones in green are the ones you're interested in
04:21 H-H-H            ones in green appear to be enabled and change to white when disabled so i assume the ones in blue are default ones maybe
04:21 VanessaE_        ones in blue are part of some modpack you've installed
06:03 sol_invictus     anyone knows what handles middle click
06:04 sol_invictus     in the crafting grid?
06:40 kahrl            sol_invictus: GUIFormSpecMenu
06:41 sol_invictus     kahrl: thank you
06:45 Krock            Moo moo
06:46 sol_invictus     oh, hay
07:09 Krock            hi john_minetest
07:18 Krock            !title
07:18 MinetestBot      Krock: Experience the power of a bookbookâ„¢ - YouTube
07:18 Krock            yes
07:47 Krock            http://i.imgur.com/BcU7a6F.png
07:49 ElectronLibre    Wow.. Beautiful.
07:49 Krock            yeah
07:49 Krock            somehow, mobs are less laggy than players
07:51 ElectronLibre    It's probably because the server don't have to wait for an answer of the client when he make the entities moving, or a more little answer. It's a good thing :).
07:51 ElectronLibre    But I've never seen a mob with an armor ^^.
07:52 Krock            ah. you're french. all things are 'it'
07:52 Krock            and not he
07:52 ElectronLibre    Yes x(...
07:53 reactor          Щщщщ!
07:53 reactor          I mщan, hщllo thщre!
07:53 Krock            *thщrщ
07:53 reactor          nщt nЖcessйrillщ!
07:54 ElectronLibre    Hmm, I'm not the only one who can see these "щ".
08:01 Krock            lolololo http://i.imgur.com/g1cJ8WA.gif
08:02 ElectronLibre    Krock : They are too old to run now..
08:03 Krock            ElectronLibre, yeah
08:08 ElectronLibre    Krock, did you find this picture by typing !cat ? ^^
08:09 Krock            ElectronLibre, nope.
08:09 Krock            browsing in imgur
08:09 LemonLake        yes krock
08:09 LemonLake        i love you krock
08:09 ElectronLibre    Ok.
08:09 Krock            LemonLake, I don't love you.
08:09 LemonLake        :'(
08:10 Krock            LemonLake, is there a reason for your love?
08:10 LemonLake        nein
08:14 Krock            peer and host are evil
08:15 LemonLake        sorry
08:15 LemonLake        shits going down here
08:15 Krock            it's not rainy. it's poopy.
08:15 Krock            omg noez! the username noob is registered now
08:16 LemonLake        hehe
08:17 Krock            john_minetest, sleepin'
08:18 nman3600         john_minetest, I'm here.
08:20 Krock            john_minetest, look on bottom (or top) right of your screen. there's a time display
08:22 Krock            hexahedra. got shadows since 4 years ... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_JSewbFxl_6U/TQ5jEpkVi0I/AAAAAAAAAKs/1mmBmwQBKMw/s400/compare.jpeg
08:22 Krock            peer!
08:23 LemonLake        bloody hell that took far too much work
08:23 ElectronLibre    This can probably help you : http://24timezones.com/ .
08:30 Krock            o/ PenguinDad
08:31 * PenguinDad     squawks at Krock
08:34 nman3600         \o/ PenguinDad!
08:35 Krock            heh. fail https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2QomaUmLLd6I.png
08:38 PenguinDad       Freeminer lol
08:38 ElectronLibre    Why can we see through the window?
08:38 Krock            cuz it's galss
08:38 Krock            glass*
08:38 Krock            cuz freeminer.
08:38 ElectronLibre    Ok, I see.
08:39 ElectronLibre    The inventory slots are beautiful. :)
08:41 Calinou          inventory background is too obstructive
08:41 Calinou          it's exactly the point to be able to see behind it
08:42 Calinou          (something we generally beat Minecraft at)
08:42 Calinou          same goes for hotbar
09:02 ElectronLibre    It's calm this morning.
09:03 PenguinDad       ElectronLibre: Maybe because most of us is asleep right now
09:04 ElectronLibre    Probably. I don't know what time it is in the US.
09:04 * ElectronLibre  do 11-2=9;9-6=2.
09:06 ElectronLibre    I see, 2 A.M. on the west coast and 5 A.M. on the east coast.
09:07 Krock            gonna hate youtube more and more. they're gonna remove the inbox feature
09:08 PenguinDad       !c (11-2,9-6)
09:08 MinetestBot      (9, 3)
09:08 PenguinDad       ^ ElectronLibre
09:08 ElectronLibre    Oups.
09:08 ElectronLibre    *Oops
09:09 ElectronLibre    Thank you MinetestBot.
09:11 * ElectronLibre_ is wondering what happened.
09:11 * sfan5          meows at ElectronLibre_
09:12 ElectronLibre_   Hello sfan5 :).
09:12 sfan5            hi
09:13 PenguinDad       Ping pong timeout I guess
09:13 ElectronLibre_   Yes.
10:24 Megaf_           Hi all
10:25 Megaf_           Hi blaise
10:25 Megaf_           Hi ElectronLibre
10:25 Megaf_           Hi PenguinDad
10:34 Megaf_           People are enjoying the spleef arena :)
10:34 Megaf_           VanessaE_: https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/issues/74#issuecomment-55511264
10:34 Megaf_           noah_: https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/issues/74#issuecomment-55521735
10:34 Megaf_           !title
10:34 MinetestBot      Megaf_: mese filters will no longer take items from furnaces. · Issue #74 · VanessaE/pipeworks · GitHub
10:35 Megaf_           sorry noah_,
10:35 Megaf_           nore: https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/issues/74#issuecomment-55521735
10:35 nore             thanks
10:35 Krock            Megaf_, I guess that's an ara protector issue
10:35 Krock            *area
10:36 Megaf_           blaise: you added slimes :)
10:36 Megaf_           I'm thinking in adding them to my server, but I think it could cause lag
10:55 ElectronLibre    Hi Megaf_ :).
10:55 * Krock          likes RegSeeker
10:56 * Megaf_         will go fullscreen in minetest
10:57 * Krock          gives Megaf_ F11
10:58 Megaf_           Krock: that doesnt work in minetest, not on OS X
10:58 Megaf_           the OS X version of minetest is quite buggy
10:58 * Hirato         checks git changelogs
10:58 Krock            Megaf_, generally, there's no fullscreen feature
10:58 Krock            go use windows then :P
10:59 Hirato           proller: so what's the deal behind removing what I presume, was code you wrote? :P
10:59 Megaf_           Krock: or Debian, it works very nice on Debian
11:08 Krock            http://i.imgur.com/s0eRaWF.gif
11:12 * ElectronLibre  is loading. Why the hell are gif pictures enormous...
11:17 ElectronLibre    Wow Krock, how can he do that? xD
11:17 Krock            ElectronLibre, magic?
11:18 ElectronLibre    I suppose x). No, it's training.
11:20 ElectronLibre    And a lot of plates broken...
11:21 Krock            plastic cups...
11:21 ElectronLibre    Ho, I see.
11:21 Krock            Wow, I'm so helpful https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=154096
11:21 ElectronLibre    A lot of platic cups fallen so.
11:23 ElectronLibre    Singlenode.. Not even at least one node to start somewhere.
11:23 Krock            air is a node
11:23 Krock            just not pointable.
11:23 ElectronLibre    *A solid node
11:23 Krock            a lua mapgen helps.
11:24 * ElectronLibre  likes giving himself air .
11:24 Krock            ElectronLibre, give yourself some wieldhands...
11:24 proller          Hirato, what?
11:25 ElectronLibre    It's funniest giving : yes.
11:25 Hirato           proller: indev and math mapgens among other things
11:25 ElectronLibre    *funnier?
11:26 * PenguinDad     likes giving himself ignore
11:27 ElectronLibre    It's fun too.
11:29 t7               hey guys, can you write unicode characters on signs in minetest?
11:29 proller          Hirato, they available in freeminer in much better state
11:30 ElectronLibre    I don't think that it's possible t7..
11:30 t7               boo
11:30 ElectronLibre    But I'm not sure.
11:30 Hirato           I'd check, but minetest doesn't seem to work with uim
11:31 t7               i should make a memory palace builder thing
11:32 reactor          t7: some Russian guys playing from laptops could.
11:32 reactor          oops
11:32 reactor          how are those called
11:32 reactor          tablets!
11:32 t7               whats the difference between freeminer and minetest
11:32 PenguinDad       and smartpones
11:32 reactor          I couldn't see the text rendered on those signs.
11:32 jin_xi           t7: for me about 20 fps... in favor of minetest
11:32 proller          t7, http://forum.freeminer.org/threads/full-list-of-changes-from-minetest.110/
11:32 reactor          Had to aim at them to read.
11:33 t7               real liquids ooo
11:33 reactor          Will Minetest ever get a decent shooter functionality?
11:33 Krock            thanks to proller for removing it from minetest
11:33 Hirato           hahaha
11:33 reactor          The firearms mod that exists, is quite laggy.
11:34 t7               farmesh ooo
11:34 PenguinDad       reactor: did you try stu's shooter mod
11:34 PenguinDad       more bs ooo
11:34 Krock            ooo
11:34 proller          super math mapgen with lot of fractals ooo
11:35 Hirato           I still think -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 by default was retarded
11:35 Krock            ..and shadows
11:35 Krock            ooo
11:35 PenguinDad       ^ who the fuck needs that?
11:35 reactor          PenguinDad: it was somewhat better, I'm not sure what I didn't like.
11:36 reactor          Was it that guns don't have actual ammo? Or they break protected blocks?
11:36 proller          Krock, i have shadows in very-dev branch, but need moooore work..
11:36 reactor          Speaking of Russia. Anyone hosting a server there?
11:36 Krock            proller, diffrent shadows to the current?
11:36 reactor          I'm still unsure if the new law applies to hosting games.
11:36 Krock            reactor, me but I'm not from Russia
11:37 * Krock          points at sol_invictus
11:37 reactor          Krock: aha, did the hosters have to write to somewhere that they intend to provide an "information service"?
11:37 T4im             reactor: what new law?
11:37 reactor          "bloggers law"
11:37 proller          Krock, fully dynamic shadows
11:37 Krock            reactor, not that I know of
11:38 reactor          It says one must notify something or someone they are going to provide information services.
11:38 Krock            proller, = sunlight depending?
11:38 exio4            is anyone bored? I want to make a super-modular-for-the-lulz setup for IPoIRC and want to know any useless abstraction I could add!
11:38 exio4            https://mediacru.sh/jDBHJ2LtEYul
11:38 Krock            I mean, time-depending
11:38 proller          Krock, yes, and player-torch too
11:39 Krock            proller, if you get that done, I'll give you a cookie.
11:39 Krock            proller, and if it runs on my PC +/- smoothly, then you'll get a 2nd cookie.
11:39 reactor          Krock: and they didn't notice game owners of any changes?
11:39 proller          Krock, maybe in next year
11:40 Krock            reactor, ehm no
11:40 PenguinDad       Krock: Freeminer doesn't support Windows YP IIRC
11:40 PenguinDad       *XP
11:40 Krock            *XP
11:40 exio4            *XP
11:40 Krock            aagh ninjas
11:40 jin_xi           idk why fm is so choppy for me, turned off maps and wield light and still
11:40 T4im             reactor: it appears to only comply to media that have more than 3000 daily readers
11:40 Krock            PenguinDad, it should support it again
11:40 T4im             apply*
11:40 jin_xi           far mesh is trippy
11:40 reactor          T4im: I initially thought that, too.
11:40 Krock            well, the 0.4.9 version did..
11:41 reactor          What bothers me, T4im, is the law states that one must notify them regardless.
11:41 Krock            exio4, not very havy built graph, it could be more detailed
11:41 exio4            what isn't specified, is because I don't know what to do there
11:41 Krock            *heavy
11:41 T4im             hmm not a good sign.. they try to get the media under control.. and this time include digital media..
11:41 reactor          And when the popularity reaches 3000, then they notify the hoster they have added them to registry.
11:42 reactor          That sucks.
11:42 exio4            (code so far: https://github.com/EXio4/IPoIRC / https://github.com/EXio4/IPoIRC-hs)
11:42 reactor          I had to shut down my server until further clarification.
11:42 T4im             this is effectivly censoring in the making.. or at least their power to do so.. questions is why..
11:42 exio4            the HS version is the one who is supposed to implement the whole modular approach, the C version has a more finished feel because well, it is closer to alpha than proof of concept!
11:42 T4im             :/
11:42 reactor          Well, it's not a bad idea, regarding people write various nonsense.
11:43 exio4            Krock, what details could I add?
11:43 reactor          What worries me is they didn't ever define what they mean by "information services".
11:43 reactor          Only HTTP? Only websites? Everything?
11:44 T4im             when a politicial entitiy tells you to report every user of a media, i doubt it's about preventing false information.. i would guess its about preventing information they dont like :/
11:44 Krock            exio4, message strings informations (auth, chat, status messages..)
11:44 reactor          And some newspaper said they made exceptions for technical art.
11:44 reactor          But I could never find the actual source.
11:44 exio4            Krock, the protocol itself?
11:44 reactor          Only that newspaper article -- I wouldn't trust it.
11:44 exio4            Krock, and "auth/chat/status messages" of what?
11:44 Krock            exio4, yeah. so it won't look that empty
11:44 reactor          T4im: that, too.
11:44 Krock            ^ protocol
11:45 reactor          That law would work well if political entities were honest. In reality, they are not.
11:45 reactor          They may and will abuse it.
11:45 exio4            the IRC<->IRC protocol, is kinda simple, two lines could define it, yet I'm not sure if it is the right approach
11:45 reactor          As for the logs, I'm not eager to keep 100M/day of them.
11:46 reactor          Unless someone bought me some new drives.
11:46 T4im             the problem is, that this would be "use" not "abuse".. i bet it is fully intendet.. you dont pass such a law in these times without political reasons
11:46 exio4            will try to specify/"write somewhere else" as much as I can, then implement the smallest code that does the thing :P
11:46 reactor          T4im: yep
11:46 Krock            exio4, good luck
11:47 exio4            still, any things about the module setup?
11:47 reactor          The idea of public media having some responsibilities for their information is good.
11:47 T4im             and we all know that theres currently a lot of politics going on behind curtains that they dont tell us about :/
11:47 reactor          But the idea.
11:47 reactor          And this implementation is broken.
11:48 reactor          The world looks like a graveyard of broken implementations of originally good ideas.
11:49 exio4            I really think the IRC module shouldn't care about the "inter-clients" protocol communication, but I think it'd be too un-practical to do tbh
11:50 Krock            Amaz, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2QomaUmLLd6I.png
11:50 Krock            da fail
11:51 Amaz             Grr.
11:51 Krock            I didn't know Amaz has a name
11:52 Krock            john_minetest reached 100% success after 120s
11:53 Amaz             It's the silly screenshot program I use.
11:53 Krock            Amaz, is F12 borken?
11:53 Krock            <r< >o>
11:53 Krock            john_minetest, me. since it doesn't output an empty file
11:54 Amaz             I can't use it in menus.
11:54 Krock            john_minetest, how about Alt + PrintScr?
11:55 reactor          Why not leave screen shooting up to the windowing system?
11:55 reactor          I'm pretty sure every decent window manager allows you to bind it to any key you like.
11:55 Krock            'i3'?
11:55 reactor          Krock: yes.
11:55 Krock            aha
11:57 Krock            why should you wait until making a screenshot? better take t instantly
11:57 Krock            *it
11:57 Krock            hmm. I wonder what -1s would do
11:57 reactor          Sometimes you do need a delay.
11:58 reactor          john_minetest: time machine?!
12:00 reactor          Are you sure that wouldn't destroy the universe?
12:00 PenguinDad       lol
12:00 Krock            john_minetest, you just traveled back -31709791.983764586504312531709792 years
12:00 LemonLake        hello all
12:00 LemonLake        i have returned
12:00 Krock            !c -1000000000000000 / (60*60*24*365)
12:00 MinetestBot      -31709791.983764585
12:00 Krock            da percision.
12:03 Krock            - peer quit (Remote host closed the connection)
12:03 Krock            - remote host quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
12:03 LemonLake        o.o
12:03 LemonLake        we got a fuckin war goin on here
12:04 Krock            yeah
12:06 Amaz             What war?
12:08 * LemonLake      wonders what to add to factory next
12:10 LemonLake        o.o
12:10 LemonLake        is that how old you are?
12:10 LemonLake        how so?
12:10 Jordach          sfan5, invitey to -stuff
12:10 sfan5            huh?
12:11 sfan5            Jordach: just log in next time
12:11 Jordach          ah
12:11 Jordach          dammit SASL
12:12 Jordach          better
12:12 Jordach          put one too many chars in
12:13 * sfan5          meows at Jordach
12:18 Krock            https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=leaders o.o
12:18 LemonLake        what is going on with shadwo's name
12:18 LemonLake        and where did everyone else go?
12:18 LemonLake        why is kaeza on there ó.ó
12:18 Krock            the mushromAdam is missing
12:19 LemonLake        https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=5
12:19 Krock            mhm
12:19 LemonLake        what about a tree farm for factory?
12:19 Jordach          yesh
12:20 LemonLake        two or three nodes that plant saplings and cut them down
12:21 Krock            why not a salpings to wood convertor node?
12:23 LemonLake        like an incubator for trees?
12:25 Krock            This looks cool: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=79925#p79925
12:25 Krock            LemonLake, yeah.
12:25 LemonLake        that sounds interesting
12:25 LemonLake        sapling + coal = 3-6 logs
12:26 Krock            + fire = laav
12:26 Krock            *lava
12:26 LemonLake        oooh
12:26 LemonLake        a use for portable tanks
12:27 LemonLake        if you put a fire below this node, put in a sapling, and put an empty tank or a lava tank in the second slot, it'd fill the tank with lava
12:27 Krock            add pumps for that
12:28 LemonLake        pumps?
12:28 Krock            to transport the lava
12:28 LemonLake        i see, sorta like pipeworks support?
12:28 LemonLake        and if pipeworks isn't installed the pump just puts it straight into a tank
12:28 Krock            hmm or your own stuff
12:29 LemonLake        im sure i could integrate a similar sort of thing
12:29 LemonLake        essentially a separate pipe for the job
12:30 LemonLake        i'll see what i can do
12:30 LemonLake        is there a group for saplings?
12:30 ElectronLibre    I think yes. group:sapling
12:31 Krock            add a table for outputs
12:31 Krock            don't make it group-wise
12:31 LemonLake        code shows no evidence of it
12:31 * Krock          downloads randisk
12:31 Krock            *ramdisk 4.4
12:31 LemonLake        so a table for input>output
12:32 PenguinDad       *rantdisk :p
12:32 Krock            rentdisk
12:33 LemonLake        now to add moretrees support
12:40 LemonLake        any more tree mods i should support?
12:41 Krock            !g ramdisk
12:41 MinetestBot      Krock: http://memory.dataram.com/products-and-services/software/ramdisk
12:41 * PenguinDad     prefers "mount -t tmpfs none /some/mountpoint -o size=somesize"
12:45 Megaf_           Krock: Linux has built in ramdisk...
12:45 Megaf_           and it uses it out of the box
12:49 Krock            john_minetest, it's incompatible with windows XP, so I have to use an other program now
12:50 Krock            john_minetest, ramdisks are useful for temponary things and you don't need to care about deleting that stuff
12:51 Krock            john_minetest, and that's again on the HDD...
12:51 Krock            Win + R -> enter %TEMP%
12:51 Krock            that's where it is
12:52 ElectronLibre    Krock : It is in C:\Windows
12:52 ElectronLibre    *john_minetest sorry
12:53 ElectronLibre    C:\Windows\Temp is the exact directory.
12:53 Krock            ElectronLibre, you can chose where it sohuld go to
12:53 Krock            but in 99% of the cases, it's there. yes
12:54 Krock            C:
12:54 PenguinDad       Backslashes look ugly in paths imo
12:55 Krock            double backslasheslok ugly.
12:55 Krock            *look
12:55 Krock            C:\\Windows\\Temp\\
12:55 ElectronLibre    I don't moodify %TEMP%, I only create some useful others variables like %PROGPATH% for all my programms.
12:55 PenguinDad       /tmp/ looks much nicer imo
12:55 ElectronLibre    Double backslashes is ugly :x...
12:56 ElectronLibre    *are
12:56 Krock            ElectronLibre, %programfiles%?
12:57 ElectronLibre    No, the programs I've created. %PROGrammingfilePATH%
12:57 PenguinDad       %IHASNOIDEAYUUSE%%FORVARIABLES%
12:59 Krock            %CUZGLOBALISGOOD%
12:59 * ElectronLibre  prefers tying %PROGPATH% instead of C:UsersMgDocumentsProgrammation in Explorer.exe.
12:59 ElectronLibre    *typing...
13:00 Krock            A question at school: What are free electrons?
13:00 Krock            > American Electrons
13:00 ElectronLibre    xD
13:01 ElectronLibre    Brainwashing?...
13:01 PenguinDad       I don't get it
13:01 Krock            answer from teacher: I think they only feel free. but that's not the answer
13:02 Krock            PenguinDad, free electrons are those in metals
13:02 PenguinDad       !server players:most
13:02 MinetestBot      PenguinDad: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 59/78, 57/66 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 39ms
13:02 ElectronLibre    Whose server is this exactly?
13:02 Amaz             !server players:least
13:02 MinetestBot      Amaz: Creative Server By TnT | 151.16.113.150:30005 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 34ms
13:03 PenguinDad       Krock: I know that but I don't get the American Electrons part
13:03 Krock            PenguinDad, too complicated. nvm
13:03 Krock            also, I wonder why Minetest 0.4.8-next gives me more fps than the non-next
13:04 ElectronLibre    Probably a !g could be useful here ^^.
13:04 Krock            which settings adds a smooth look-around?
13:05 PenguinDad       !g Why does Minetest 0.4.8-next give me more fps than non-next?
13:05 MinetestBot      PenguinDad: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8638
13:06 PenguinDad       wat
13:06 Krock            not exactly.
13:06 Krock            !title
13:06 MinetestBot      Krock: [Mod] Creatures [1.1.4 beta] [creatures] - Minetest Forums
13:07 Amaz             !server players:average
13:07 MinetestBot      Amaz: No results
13:07 Amaz             :(
13:08 ElectronLibre    !server mod:most
13:08 MinetestBot      ElectronLibre: No results
13:08 ElectronLibre    :fail:
13:09 ElectronLibre    Only runs with a name or a player:*?
13:09 Krock            !server help
13:09 MinetestBot      Krock: No results
13:09 PenguinDad       !server port:most
13:09 MinetestBot      PenguinDad: No results
13:09 Krock            lol
13:09 PenguinDad       :(
13:09 * ElectronLibre  retries with mods:most
13:10 ElectronLibre    !server mods:most
13:10 MinetestBot      ElectronLibre: No results
13:10 PenguinDad       !server ping:least
13:10 MinetestBot      PenguinDad: Craig's Server | 86.157.170.46 | Clients: 1/30, 3/6 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / Craig-Server | Ping: 13ms
13:10 PenguinDad       :O
13:10 ElectronLibre    --'... Ok, it only runs with players:* and ping:*
13:11 PenguinDad       ElectronLibre: port: should theoretically work too
13:11 ElectronLibre    I try.
13:11 ElectronLibre    !server port:least
13:11 MinetestBot      ElectronLibre: No results
13:12 ElectronLibre    This bot really hates me °_°...
13:12 PenguinDad       !server ping:least i:-1
13:12 MinetestBot      PenguinDad: Craig's Server | 86.157.170.46 | Clients: 1/30, 3/6 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / Craig-Server | Ping: 13ms
13:13 * ElectronLibre  admire PenguinDad , the master of the bots.
13:14 PenguinDad       I'm not a master I just know how to incorrectly use the commands :p
13:14 Megaf_           !server Megaf
13:14 MinetestBot      Megaf_: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 3/9, 3/8 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 1246ms
13:14 Megaf_           It would be nice if the bot could list players on a server
13:14 Megaf_           !server help
13:14 MinetestBot      Megaf_: No results
13:14 ElectronLibre    !server platers:least
13:15 MinetestBot      ElectronLibre: No results
13:15 Megaf_           !server players:least
13:15 MinetestBot      Megaf_: Groglandia | familygrog.no-ip.org | Clients: 0/9, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 5888ms
13:15 Megaf_           !server players:more
13:15 MinetestBot      Megaf_: No results
13:15 * ElectronLibre  hates the typos..
13:15 Megaf_           !server players:most
13:15 MinetestBot      Megaf_: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 61/78, 57/66 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 38ms
13:15 ElectronLibre    !server players:average
13:15 MinetestBot      ElectronLibre: No results
13:17 Megaf_           !server addr:minetest.megaf.info
13:17 MinetestBot      Megaf_: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 3/9, 3/8 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 1246ms
13:17 Megaf_           !server - >3
13:17 MinetestBot      Megaf_: No results
13:18 Megaf_           !server >3
13:18 MinetestBot      Megaf_: No results
13:18 Megaf_           server -=3
13:18 Megaf_           !server -=3
13:18 MinetestBot      Megaf_: No results
13:18 Megaf_           ElectronLibre: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
13:19 ElectronLibre    Thank you.
13:19 Krock            Megaf_, ##minetestbot
13:23 sfan5            uh
13:23 sfan5            what
13:23 sfan5            Megaf_: !server players:>3
13:24 Megaf_           oh
13:24 Megaf_           !server players:>3
13:24 MinetestBot      Megaf_: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 67/78, 58/67 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 37ms
13:24 * ElectronLibre  is still loading the Command.md page..
13:24 sfan5            !server players:>3 i:-1
13:24 MinetestBot      sfan5: GoldRush | 108.94.133.186 | Clients: 6/40, 4/7 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 127ms
13:25 sfan5            ^ Megaf_ first server with >3 players
13:25 Megaf_           !server Megaf
13:25 MinetestBot      Megaf_: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 2/9, 3/8 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 996ms
13:25 PenguinDad       !server ping:>1337
13:25 MinetestBot      PenguinDad: No results
13:26 PenguinDad       :(
13:26 * ElectronLibre  thinks that Megaf_ is very worried about his server ^^.
13:26 Megaf_           Not really, Im not even plaing on it
13:31 * ElectronLibre  tries something.
13:32 ElectronLibre    !g Mendeleïev's table
13:32 MinetestBot      ElectronLibre: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableau_p%C3%A9riodique_des_%C3%A9l%C3%A9ments
13:32 ElectronLibre    Thank you (He guess that I'm french xD)!
13:34 ElectronLibre    I already know it... I wasted a !g...
13:37 ElectronLibre    Have anyone ever think to add a translation command with Google Translate? x)
13:38 MinetestBot      02[Git] 04kahrl -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix typo in comment in chat.cpp 13206f076 http://git.io/oJ-KTw (152014-09-14T15:37:27+02:00)
13:38 Krock            why not http://www.bing.com/translator/ ?
13:39 ElectronLibre    I've never heard about it.
13:40 Krock            that typo is irrelevant to the function
13:40 * ElectronLibre  remember that nobody has answer his pull-request..
13:41 Krock            ElectronLibre, looks good. Acceptable
13:43 ElectronLibre    Yes, somebody had a problem and he ask me why /teleport a b returned him "Players doesn't exist", I found that the only fail case in /teleport was player doesn't exist, and that there weren't any verification for the bring privs.
13:43 ElectronLibre    (Not sure about this answer, if somebody want to correct it.)
13:47 ElectronLibre    Wow, that's two weeks I opened it :D
13:48 Krock            ElectronLibre, some of my pulls and issues' future are also unknown
13:48 ElectronLibre    Hmm... "Life is unfair".
13:50 ElectronLibre    When somebody will ask me why with only "teleport" privilege, a and b connected, /teleport a b return "player doesn't exist", I will know why :).
13:54 Krock            the life isn't a pony farm
13:54 ElectronLibre    Yes...
14:04 ElectronLibre    It's probably because nobody know how I am and I didn't explain my modifications on the forum (and because a lot of pull-request merged before mine will diseapper...).
14:06 iqualfragile     ElectronLibre: where is your pull request?
14:06 ElectronLibre    Here : https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1591
14:08 nore             ElectronLibre, you should go to #minetest-dev if you want an answer
14:09 ElectronLibre    Ok...
14:09 nore             it's unlikely you will get one here, you should ask there other devs about their thoughts on your pull
14:09 ElectronLibre    Ok, thank you nore.
14:09 nore             you're welcome :)
14:32 * Krock          wonders if today's the pull-merge-day
14:33 iqualfragile     Krock: pull-merge-day is never
14:34 Krock            :(
14:46 PenguinDad       Krock: pull-merge-day is at NaN.NaN.NaN
14:47 Krock            PenguinDad, you can't attach NaN to a string
14:47 Krock            so, it's just NaN
14:50 PenguinDad       Krock: You're right :/ "ERROR: `convert` has no method matching convert(::Type{ASCIIString}, ::Float64)"
14:54 * sfan5          meows at PenguinDad
14:55 * PenguinDad     looks at sfan5
14:55 * sfan5          curls up to PenguinDad's lap
14:57 PenguinDad       <3 http://julialang.org/
15:03 * Jordach        found a homedecor bug
15:05 twoelk           report to pest control
15:16 Jordach          wat
15:16 Jordach          create an upside down slab with the screwdriver then sneak jump repeatably
15:17 Jordach          (preferably on top of another nodebox
15:22 twoelk           one of several ways to peek on the noclip side of reallity?
16:36 Calinou          http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc4Nzg → the true Phoronix review
16:37 Out`Of`Control   how do i compile latest version?
16:37 Out`Of`Control   debian here
16:38 Krock            https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837
16:41 Out`Of`Control   i can't install half of libs listen there
16:41 Krock            mhm any debian users online here?
16:41 Krock            Calinou!
16:44 Calinou          I'm not a Debian user in bare metal, but you can ask
16:44 Calinou          I haven't tested this with Debian
16:44 Out`Of`Control   Debian Unstable
16:45 Out`Of`Control   that compile guide confuses me
16:47 Out`Of`Control   I download source code, how do i generate make file?
16:48 diemartin        cmake [options] .
16:50 Krock            diemartin, where's your colored title gone to?
16:50 Out`Of`Control   http://pastebin.com/bvcPZecE
16:50 diemartin        colored title? O_o
16:50 PenguinDad       Krock: Somewhere else!
16:51 Krock            diemartin, I remember your forums name in yellow letters
16:51 diemartin        !rainbow Title
16:51 MinetestBot      4T7i8t3l12e
16:51 diemartin        there ^
16:51 Krock            ....
16:51 PenguinDad       05d04i07e08m03a09r10t11i02n12'06s 13t05i04t07l08e 03i09s 10h11e02r12e 06:13>
16:51 diemartin        ^that doesn't ping me :>
16:52 diemartin        Krock, ninja powers
16:52 PenguinDad       !rainbow PenguinDad
16:52 MinetestBot      4Pe7ng8ui3nD12ad
16:52 PenguinDad       ^ That does ping me
16:52 diemartin        (a.k.a. a dropdown to select my "default" group)
16:52 Out`Of`Control   any help?
16:52 Krock            !railbow Krock wonders
16:52 Krock            meh
16:53 Krock            !rainbow Krock wonders even more
16:53 MinetestBot      4Kro7ck 8won3der12s e6ven13 mo4re
16:53 Krock            ^no ping
16:53 PenguinDad       05K04r07o08c03k 09w10o11n02d12e06r13s
16:53 Out`Of`Control   !version
16:53 Krock            https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
16:54 diemartin        Out`Of`Control, try selecting more software sources in the relevant config dialog
16:54 diemartin        or try Google :P
16:54 Krock            or try !g
16:54 kaeza            !g Krock
16:54 MinetestBot      kaeza: http://krock.com/
16:55 Out`Of`Control   Krock:   i can not add Ubuntu or any other sources as i run unstable
16:55 Krock            I know.
16:55 Out`Of`Control   kaeza:
16:55 Krock            Out`Of`Control, I can not help you anyway. Windows user.
16:55 Out`Of`Control   bah
16:56 sfan5            Calinou: today Krock had the idea of adding a proprietary library to minetest and you weren't there
16:56 kaeza            Out`Of`Control, it's here apparently: http://packages.debian.org/sid/cmake
16:57 Flipsels         Any thoughts on this: http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/13/6144359/microsoft-minecraft-deal-rumors
16:57 Krock            sfan5, irc.minetest.ru
16:57 Flipsels         will it affect minetest?
16:58 kaeza            so something's wrong with your `aptitude` (pun not intended)
16:58 VanessaE_        Flipsels: no.
16:58 Calinou          sfan5, which one?
16:58 Krock            ^ aah, commas
16:58 sfan5            Calinou: irrklang
16:58 VanessaE_        Flipsels: minetest is an independent project that will not be altered in any way by that deal, aside from maybe gaining some users as people leave Minecraft.
16:59 MinetestBot      4I'm 7a ca8t, p3leas12e pe6t me13. me4ow :7​3
16:59 * kaeza          pets MinetestBot
16:59 * MinetestBot    purrs
16:59 * VanessaE_      sprays water on MinetestBot
16:59 * Krock          MinetestBots meow
16:59 * MinetestBot    runs away
16:59 * ElectronLibre  wonders how sfan5 did that.
17:00 sfan5            magic
17:00 * ElectronLibre  MinetestBots meow
17:00 Out`Of`Control   running update fix it
17:00 * MinetestBot    meows
17:00 sfan5            !deop sfan5 ShadowNinja VanessaE_
17:00 * PenguinDad     05p04e07t08s 03M09i10n11e02t12e06s13t05B04o07t
17:00 Krock            !cat
17:00 MinetestBot      http://i.imgur.com/TC7fv.jpg
17:00 ShadowNinja      D-:
17:00 ElectronLibre    How can they add color?
17:00 * MinetestBot    4p7u8r3r12s
17:01 ShadowNinja      sfan5: IRC allows four modes at a time...
17:01 sfan5            ShadowNinja: I'm aware
17:01 ElectronLibre    Ho, I forgot,
17:01 ElectronLibre    Hi MinetestBot
17:01 MinetestBot      Hello ElectronLibre!
17:01 Krock            00,01meow
17:01 ShadowNinja      sfan5: Fix MinetestBot!
17:01 sfan5            ShadowNinja: pull requests are welcome! ;)
17:01 ShadowNinja      sfan5: Also, I think I know how to fix that master-server issue you had a while ago.
17:01 sfan5            the resetting
17:02 sfan5            ?
17:02 sfan5            it's gone now anyway
17:02 PenguinDad       Krock!
17:02 Out`Of`Control   Calinou:  could you add sudo apt-get update to that guide? LOL
17:02 Krock            01,00PenguinDad!
17:02 Calinou          Out`Of`Control, maybe
17:02 Calinou          it's often automatically done by the system anyway
17:02 Out`Of`Control   that fixed my problem
17:02 sfan5            <Calinou> it's often automatically done by the system anyway
17:02 * Out`Of`Control compiling
17:02 sfan5            [citation needed]
17:02 Calinou          and maybe not needed
17:03 VanessaE_        bbl
17:03 Calinou          new packages are very rare
17:03 Calinou          I'll add it anyway
17:03 PenguinDad       04,05Squawk
17:03 MinetestBot      4M7e8o3w12!
17:03 * ElectronLibre  runs away...
17:03 Calinou          <sfan5> Calinou: irrklang
17:03 Calinou          what does that do
17:04 sfan5            sound library
17:04 sfan5            !g irrklang
17:04 MinetestBot      sfan5: http://www.ambiera.com/irrklang/
17:04 sfan5            "rKlang is a high level 2D and 3D cross platform (Windows, Mac OS X, Linux) sound engine and audio library which plays WAV, MP3, OGG, FLAC, MOD, XM, IT, S3M and more file formats, and is usable in C++ and all .NET languages (C#, VisualBasic.NET, etc). It has all the features known from low level audio libraries as well as lots of useful features like a sophisticated streaming engine, extendable audio reading, single and multithreading modes, 3d audio
17:04 sfan5            emulation for low end hardware, a plugin system, multiple rolloff models and more. All this can be accessed via an extremely simple API."
17:04 sfan5            there you go
17:04 kaeza            why not DUMB?
17:05 sfan5            kaeza: too dumb
17:05 kaeza            <_<
17:05 sfan5            >_>
17:05 kaeza            http://dumb.sf.net
17:06 * kaeza          would love to be able to play module files
17:06 kaeza            using OGG for BGM is wasteful
17:06 Out`Of`Control   thanks it works now
17:07 Calinou          how about we write a remote_media guide?
17:07 Calinou          we don't use .xpm for images after all
17:08 ShadowNinja      sfan5: Yes.  Flask makes globals into request context thread locals.
17:08 ShadowNinja      But it gives you an object to use globals.
17:09 sfan5            Calinou: fell free to write one
17:09 Calinou          you made the remote_media complicated stuff
17:11 sfan5            ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
17:11 sfan5            my script is easy to use
17:11 sfan5            jm
17:11 sfan5            hm
17:12 sfan5            looking at the servers.minetest.net logs I have the feeling that there are more buildcraft iOS users than PC
17:13 * ElectronLibre  likes to be automatically connected when he is disconnected.
17:13 Out`Of`Control   any way/tricks to load media/texture faster?
17:14 ElectronLibre    In Minetest > Settings > Preload Item Visual = false.
17:15 sfan5            ^
17:15 Out`Of`Control   old version from debian repos load much faster
17:16 ElectronLibre    Probably because there is less textures and less files to load.
17:16 Calinou          <sfan5> my script is easy to use
17:16 Calinou          obscure
17:16 Calinou          why do we have to encode?
17:16 sfan5            encode?
17:16 Calinou          rename the files to weird stuff
17:16 Calinou          why can't we just use index-less method
17:16 Out`Of`Control   i connect to same server
17:16 Calinou          what's the advantages of the index-less method? index-y method?
17:16 Calinou          such a guide would let you know all that
17:16 sfan5            Calinou: because the client can't know whether the default_stone.png the server has is the one it wants
17:17 Calinou          instead of wondering why and not knowing why something doesn't work
17:17 sfan5            the server sends the client hashes
17:17 sfan5            the client needs the files with those hash
17:17 Calinou          <sfan5> looking at the servers.minetest.net logs I have the feeling that there are more buildcraft iOS users than PC
17:17 Calinou          mobile is a gigantic market
17:17 sfan5            Calinou: I'll be doing statistics of the last 10 days
17:17 Calinou          just test has 70 players…
17:17 Calinou          we need server banning
17:17 sfan5            we have that
17:17 Calinou          and guest disabling in the default game
17:18 Calinou          guest was a terrible idea
17:18 Calinou          made by proller/sapier
17:18 Calinou          as usual :P
17:18 sfan5            but we don't exercise it for too many players
17:19 Calinou          the server is bad-quality, the players are bad-quality…
17:19 sfan5            then the people will just go to the next server
17:19 sfan5            !server i:2
17:19 MinetestBot      sfan5: Liberty Land Minetest | m.ayntest.net | Clients: 25/35, 14/26 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 76ms
17:19 sfan5            that one
17:19 Calinou          or they would leave
17:19 sfan5            they won't
17:19 Calinou          not sure if player quality is good on any high-popularity public server
17:19 sfan5            ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
17:20 Megaf_           Hi
17:46 sfan5            holy shit
17:46 sfan5            0.4.7 or older -> 281903 52.78%
17:46 sfan5            serious version problem here
17:46 sfan5            ^ Calinou clients of the serverlist in the last _10_ days
17:47 ElectronLibre    O_O
17:48 Calinou          change protocol at each version?
17:48 Calinou          most games do this
17:48 sfan5            how about no
17:50 PenguinDad       We should really have the ability to get a client's version from lua
17:50 sfan5            nah
17:52 MinetestBot      EvergreenTree: 09-13 09:45 UTC <PenguinDad> <3 https://soundcloud.com/excision/excision-shambhala-2014-mix
17:53 EvergreenTree    PenguinDad: \o/
17:57 PenguinDad       EvergreenTree: /o\
17:59 EvergreenTree    PenguinDad: https://soundcloud.com/dubstep/twine-killing-machine-edmcom-premiere
18:00 jin_xi           ugh turned off my computer when i meant to wake it.
18:00 jin_xi           it has no keyboard and no power buttons and such, so i short a connector on the mobo
18:01 jin_xi           but when you get the wrong one... oh well
18:02 kahrl            jin_xi: be glad you didn't get the 5V to GND one
18:02 Megaf            lol
18:03 Megaf            Ive done that several times
18:03 Megaf            sometimes I forget the right pin and just begin to short all pins till I manage to wake it up
18:06 jin_xi           kahrl: why what can happen?
18:07 kahrl            dunno, haven't tried yet :P
18:08 kahrl            actually I think if your power source isn't utter crap it shouldn't cause damage
18:09 Calinou          <jin_xi> it has no keyboard and no power buttons and such, so i short a connector on the mobo
18:09 Calinou          why don't you have one?
18:09 Calinou          you should never do that
18:09 Calinou          good motherboards have buttons to power up anyway
18:09 Calinou          which acts like an usual power button
18:10 jin_xi           its an old laptop without much of its casing
18:10 Out`Of`Control   jin_xi:  you short power button pins?
18:11 jin_xi           i put the scissors over the solder of the connector where the part of the casing with volume and powerbuttons was connected
18:11 jin_xi           carefully...
18:16 Calinou          this is jin_xi: http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/048.jpg
18:23 sfan5            Calinou: "armv7  -> 168933 69.36%" mobile is a huge market you say?
18:23 Calinou          what's that number and percentage?
18:24 sfan5            number of devices running 0.4.10 that use the armv7 arch
18:24 sfan5            and percentage those vs. all 0.4.10 clients
18:27 Calinou          that's a lot?
18:27 sfan5            yes
18:31 sfan5            Desktop -> 68212  28.00%
18:31 sfan5            Mobile  -> 175286 71.97%
18:31 sfan5            ^ Calinou: more precisely
18:31 ElectronLibre    O_O
18:31 Amaz             sfan5, is that the number of downloads?
18:31 sfan5            not that surprising
18:32 sfan5            Amaz: dunno, I don't host that
18:32 sfan5            I'll publish the full stats later
18:32 Amaz             Any idea what does the number refer to?
18:33 sfan5            total: 243529
18:33 sfan5            (all 0.4.10 clients)
18:36 sfan5            "Windows 5.1-Szervizcsomag_3"
18:36 sfan5            o.o
18:41 sfan5            FreeBSD -> 20     00.00%
18:41 sfan5            poor BSD users
18:42 Out`Of`Control   its dl statistic?
18:42 sfan5            no
18:43 sfan5            statistics for polling the server list
18:43 sfan5            the last 10 days
18:43 sfan5            only the 0.4.10 clients
18:43 sfan5            (because only 0.4.10 sends that info)
18:43 Out`Of`Control   android version is on f-droid?
18:43 sfan5            possibly
18:44 Out`Of`Control   its not there :/
18:48 Megaf            !server Megaf
18:48 MinetestBot      Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 8/20, 5/8 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 258ms
18:49 ElectronLibre    You're really worried about your server Megaf ^^...
18:49 Megaf            even the clients quantity is not corrent
18:49 Megaf            oh, it is
18:49 Megaf            nevermind
18:49 Megaf            ElectronLibre: is the only server that I remeber the name
18:50 Megaf            !server Linux
18:50 MinetestBot      Megaf: LinuxGaming.us | LinuxGaming.us | Clients: 4/20, 3/7 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 5270ms
18:50 Megaf            LazyJ_2: My ping is better then yours
18:50 Megaf            lol
18:55 Amaz             Megaf, what port of your server do you recommend?
18:56 Megaf            Amaz: It only listens to port 30003
18:56 Amaz             Ah.
18:56 Amaz             Did you have sereral servers up at one point?
19:18 ShadowNinja      sfan5: Actually it turns out that globals are O.K.  But I moved the DB functions into a class, which seems cleaner to me.  Comments?  http://sprunge.us/HjBZ?diff
19:18 ShadowNinja      I'll push a config.py ->config-example.py and .gitignore+config.py meanwhile.
19:19 sfan5            ShadowNinja: every 10 secs for the old server purging
19:19 sfan5            is ok
19:19 sfan5            ShadowNinja: looks good, push
19:19 ShadowNinja      sfan5: You can set that then, but that's a relatively heavy operation.
19:19 sfan5            kk
19:20 sfan5            then 2 secs
19:20 ShadowNinja      And it doesn't have to be done often really, it doesn't change often.
19:26 ShadowNinja      sfan5: The purging time change was for testing, switched back to 1 minute.
19:31 MinetestBot      02[Git] 04ShadowNinja -> 03minetest/master-server: Move server list management functions into a class 13561cfb5 http://git.io/Jqemzw (152014-09-14T15:29:51-04:00)
19:31 MinetestBot      02[Git] 04ShadowNinja -> 03minetest/master-server: Add __pycache__ to .gitignore 13e93a04f http://git.io/3DGV_g (152014-09-14T15:29:51-04:00)
19:31 MinetestBot      02[Git] 04ShadowNinja -> 03minetest/master-server: Move config.py to config-example.py and .gitignore the real config 133a891e5 http://git.io/1nSvjQ (152014-09-14T15:29:50-04:00)
19:35 MinetestBot      02[Git] 04ShadowNinja -> 03minetest/master-server: Change default development server listen address back to 127.0.0.1 138c0dd17 http://git.io/4zUzJw (152014-09-14T15:33:24-04:00)
19:42 Amaz             Any chance of this pull being merged soon? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/294
19:42 sfan5            !title
19:42 MinetestBot      sfan5: Enable dungeons by default by Amaz1 · Pull Request #294 · minetest/minetest_game · GitHub
20:27 zat              Freenode keeps acussing me of excess flow...
20:29 VanessaE_        build a better dam?
20:29 VanessaE_        use a better maxi pad? :)
20:29 zat              eh
20:33 Daryl_           VanessaE, May i have Interact on 1 of your servers?
20:33 VanessaE_        which one?
20:33 Daryl_           surivial ill Log in soon
20:33 VanessaE_        ok
20:37 zat              is there even a purpose on playing without interact?
20:40 VanessaE_        I don't grant it by default.  griefing control measure
20:40 VanessaE_        many servers are that way
20:40 VanessaE_        keeps people from just signing on, destroying shit, and signing off before they're caught
20:40 sfan5            I just read "decorating shit"
20:41 sfan5            I was confused
20:41 VanessaE_        haha
20:41 sfan5            like
20:41 sfan5            friendly griefers
20:41 sfan5            they log on, decorate stuff and leave
20:41 VanessaE_        decorating shit:  "polish a turd, it's still a turd!"
20:42 Daryl_           lol
20:44 Daryl_           wow some 1 has alot of Textures on the surivial server XD
20:44 VanessaE_        yep
20:44 VanessaE_        Dreambuilder game
20:45 VanessaE_        somewhere upwards of 8000 defined nodes/items I guess.  5028 texture files on the remote_media server.
20:45 VanessaE_        s/texture files/media files/
20:46 VanessaE_        I wish there were an in-engine thing to print that total at startup.
20:48 Daryl_           WOW This place changed alot since i been around
20:49 iqualfragile     Daryl_: which place?
20:49 iqualfragile     how to fake serverlist entries?
20:49 iqualfragile     (its for a good cause, i swear)
20:50 Daryl_           Oh... Vanessa servival server is what i was pointing too been a Long time since i played on this server
20:50 kaeza            <_<
20:50 iqualfragile     ah, ok
20:55 casimir          VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8917#p140249
21:04 VanessaE_        casimir: oh, that's handy
21:05 Daryl_           Finely logged in yay :)
21:05 blaise           Megaf: I see you popped in on my server.. :)
21:06 Megaf            blaise: yep
21:06 Megaf            blaise: well, your server have lag because you have lots of mobs and mods
21:06 blaise           yer
21:06 blaise           I removed most of the mobs actually
21:07 blaise           I do need to audit my mods though
21:07 Megaf            try that, in minetest.conf change dedicated_server_step = 0.1 to 0.3
21:08 blaise           I had it set to 0.2 as per your recommendations
21:08 blaise           Megaf: should I try 0.3 ?
21:08 Megaf            blaise: before that, see the CPU use but minetestserver
21:10 blaise           it seems to be bouncing between 24 to 30 % cpu
21:10 Megaf            blaise: see use by core
21:10 blaise           when no one is online it sits at about 2 or 5 %
21:10 Megaf            top -H
21:10 blaise           I only have one core
21:10 blaise           and I'm looking at glances
21:11 hisforever       what is the ore Mses?
21:12 hisforever       what is Mese sorry for tyops
21:12 iqualfragile     blaise: what happened to your other cores?
21:12 iqualfragile     hisforever: its the best ore in minetest
21:12 iqualfragile     you can build stable and quick pickaxes out of it
21:12 iqualfragile     or use the mod mesecons and create redstone-like things
21:13 blaise           it's an Intel Pentium M centrino 1.73GHz (Dothan)
21:13 hisforever       ty I was woundering if it was an ore in the real world
21:13 iqualfragile     hisforever: no
21:13 blaise           lol
21:13 hisforever       ty just was courious
21:14 blaise           I have more than one machine, unfortunetly minetest doesn't have the capability to distribute cpu load to multiple machines
21:14 blaise           althought that would be a very nice feature
21:14 blaise           :D
21:15 blaise           I do run compile farms.. :)
21:20 blaise           Megaf: ServerThread seems to be anywhere from 14 to 29 %
21:21 blaise           Megaf: ConnectionSend and ConnectionReceive seems to both take up a static 7% each
21:21 blaise           or, 0.7% each I mean
21:21 blaise           all in all though, the machine mostly stays idle
21:22 blaise           even with peoples on it
21:24 Megaf            blaise: same on my server, but still laggy sometimes
21:29 blaise           yeah..
21:29 blaise           I'm not so sure there's anything we can do about that
21:30 blaise           even with a plain vanilla server with no mods at all it seems to be laggy..
21:30 blaise           if I was a better coder I would try and help optimise the code, but I'm not
21:40 proller          "it was already fixed in freeminer"
21:42 iqualfragile     proller: please explain exactly what was fixed
21:42 iqualfragile     the only things i saw were patches to not execute things that should have been executed
21:43 proller          huge lag was fixed, now lag just big
21:55 Megaf            Id like this to be on git. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4111
21:55 Megaf            !seen lemonlake
21:55 MinetestBot      Megaf: lemonlake was last seen at 2014-09-14 12:40:36 UTC on #minetest
22:53 VanessaE_        omg, it's OVER 9000!
22:53 VanessaE_        Dreambuilder:  There are 11414 registered items.
22:53 VanessaE_        O_O
22:58 Azelphur         I'm playing with the minetest server, I'm wondering if the client and the server need the same mods installed?
22:58 Menche           nope
22:58 Menche           only on server
22:59 Azelphur         sweet
22:59 Menche           mods on the client are actually ignored
22:59 kaeza            Azelphur, the mods are server-side; the client only downloads whatever's needed (media files, node definitions, etc)
22:59 Azelphur         kaeza: sweet :)
22:59 kaeza            well, this thing is lagging <_<
23:00 * kaeza          wants to kill his modem... yet again
23:03 proller          its not modem problem ;)
23:05 kaeza            tell that to my 180s (yes, s) ping
23:06 Menche           O.o
23:06 Menche           180s
23:07 exio4            kaeza, stop using my network!
23:08 * kaeza          hugs exio4
23:08 * exio4          hugs back
23:08 VanessaE_        proller: he has problems retaining basic connectivity *without* minetest.
23:08 VanessaE_        please do not assume.
23:12 exio4            VanessaE_, fixed in freeminer
23:13 kaeza            (C) 2013 proller
23:14 proller          yes, fm/next have less problems on laggy/lossly connections
23:14 exio4            didn't know it could work nicely with 180s of lag
23:14 exio4            what does it use? a time machine?
23:14 proller          ping!
23:15 proller          smart packet prediction
23:15 exio4            oh, neat
23:15 exio4            didn't know it could see 3 minutes in the future
23:15 Menche           sends data by copying the packets to a microSD card and mailing it to the destination
23:15 Menche           faster
23:15 kaeza            plol
23:17 exio4            the future is IPoIRC
23:17 Menche           has option to use pidgeons instead of mail. cheaper but more packet loss.
23:18 VanessaE_        proller: explain how less-laggy minetest/freeminer affects kaeza's ability to maintain a connection to IRC, please.  Especially if Minetest et al. isn't even *running*
23:19 exio4            freeminer can predict IRC packets
23:19 exio4            VanessaE_, it knows what you will think
23:19 proller          VanessaE_, try to read all from start
23:19 VanessaE_        proller: no, YOU read all from the start please.
23:20 proller          no, you
23:20 VanessaE_        I did.
23:20 VanessaE_        kaeza's problem has nothing to do with minetest at all. it's a connectivity issue because of a screwed up modem.
23:21 proller          read upper
23:21 kaeza            proller, my comment on lag was on the fact that I answered to Azel_pur's question, but by the time it went thru the pipe, Men_che already answered like 4 times, now, please, stfu
23:21 VanessaE_        [09-14 19:00] <kaeza> well, this thing is lagging <_<
23:21 VanessaE_        [09-14 19:00] * kaeza wants to kill his modem... yet again
23:21 VanessaE_        [09-14 19:04] <proller> its not modem problem ;)
23:21 VanessaE_        FAIL
23:22 exio4            kaeza, I am the only that can know that feelin <3
23:23 exio4            proller, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs
23:23 exio4            actually
23:23 exio4            listen to that song, best song ever
23:23 exio4            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs
23:23 exio4            !title
23:23 MinetestBot      exio4: Denis Leary - Asshole (Uncensored Version) - YouTube
23:33 VanessaE_        bbl
23:40 h4iku            Megaf:
23:40 RumiaGloop       butts
23:40 Megaf            yes?
23:41 h4iku            Megaf: how are you? I was playing and it has disconnected, and now, when I try to connect it says "Too Many Users"
23:41 h4iku            Megaf: there're too many users really or it's another problem?
23:41 Megaf            !server Megaf
23:41 MinetestBot      Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 7/9, 6/8 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 262ms
23:42 Menche           admin set a max user limit?
23:42 Megaf            you should be able to join, but let me increase the user limit
23:42 h4iku            ok
23:42 Megaf            h4iku: try now
23:42 Megaf            please
23:42 h4iku            Megaf: I'm trying
23:42 Megaf            !server Megaf
23:42 MinetestBot      Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 7/9, 6/8 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 262ms
23:43 h4iku            !server Megaf
23:43 MinetestBot      h4iku: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 7/9, 6/8 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 262ms
23:43 h4iku            cool command
23:43 h4iku            It's loading textures...
23:43 h4iku            ;)