IRC log for #minetest, 2014-08-28

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00:09	blaise	when I go up to him to see what is wrong he's laughing hystericly
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00:30	blaise	does the default server allow empty passwd's ?
00:34	RentedMule	hey, has anyone gotten minetest running on a surface tablet?
00:34	RentedMule	one of the neighborkids REALLY wants to join our worlds, but they only have a surface
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00:38	blaise	yeah, some guy on my server was running it on a kindle
00:38	blaise	and I have it on both my android phones
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00:52	RentedMule	android != surface :(
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00:52	blaise	RentedMule: what archetecture is the device
00:55	blaise	x86, amd64, Sparks, alpha, mips, ppc, RiSC, ARM
00:55	blaise	ibm made some touchscreen tablets a long time ago that were x86
00:56	blaise	I believe they were the first, but I could be wrong
00:56	blaise	RentedMule: and if it's that "Microsoft Surface" device that's the size of a family dinner table, then it runs windows 7/8
00:57	blaise	in which case you can use the same install as a windows user
00:58	blaise	s/Sparks/Sparc/
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02:48	RentedMule	I'm told that a surface pro will run it, but a surface RT will not
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04:03	blaise	minetestvaio ~/.minetest/mods $ git clone https://gitorious.org/calinou/moreores/
04:03	blaise	Cloning into 'moreores'...
04:03	blaise	fatal: repository 'https://gitorious.org/calinou/moreores/' not found
04:03	blaise	:(
04:03	blaise	calinuewewewew
04:03	blaise	elp!
04:03	blaise	:\
04:07	VanessaE	moreores is dead.
04:08	VanessaE	well wait, no, the repository is still there....
04:09	VanessaE	https://gitorious.org/calinou/moreores
04:09	VanessaE	but note that this is going to be moved soon
04:09	VanessaE	oh, you just got the URL wrong
04:09	VanessaE	git clone https://gitorious.org/calinou/moreores.git
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04:50	blaise	hrmm
04:51	blaise	VanessaE: is it really going to be moved soon?
04:51	blaise	and how come?
04:51	VanessaE	it's gonna be taken over by the technic team and expanded to include some new stuff
04:52	VanessaE	so it'll be moved to the technic team's github repo so that it doesn't die out
04:52	VanessaE	it won't be combined with technic
04:52	VanessaE	it'll just be on the technic team's repository
05:01	blaise	so seperate from the modpack ?
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05:21	VanessaE	it'll be a separate repository
05:21	VanessaE	just as unified inventory is separate from technic but part of the technic team
05:21	VanessaE	as waypoints is
05:22	VanessaE	as item_tweaks is
05:22	VanessaE	etc
05:22	VanessaE	note, team != modpack
05:22	VanessaE	it'll end up here: https://github.com/minetest-technic
05:27	blaise	:)
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05:43	VanessaE	LazyJ: poke
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05:55	VanessaE	LazyJ: well when you get this.... https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=5684&start=200#p152340 <---- what recipes are missing aside from the "Piepad", and what recipes were conflicting? Also can you tell me more about the "carriage-return mark" feature you added?
05:55	VanessaE	LazyJ: leave me a forum email please.
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08:22	pitriss	Hi, please can I use group:something as nodenames in definition of ABM nodes?
08:27	Cylus	pitriss: Yes you can.
08:27	pitriss	Cylus: ok thank you..:)
08:27	Cylus	minetest_game has a couple example of that. One is in the fire mod, if I recall.
08:27	Cylus	Yeah, no problem.
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11:40	ulla	hi all i have problem you can resolve
11:40	ulla	?
11:45	ThatGraemeGuy	just ask your question and if someone can answer, they will
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12:11	sol_invictus	Anyone knows what this means? >>WARNING: saveBlock: LevelDB error saving block (99,1,8): Invalid argument: not an sstable (bad magic number)
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14:52	Jordach	woo
14:52	Jordach	one more week of freedom
14:53	Jordach	VanessaE, who set +i on #minetest
14:59	RentedMule	Jordach: you're a college student? or a teacher?
14:59	Jordach	RentedMule, student at Develop, Norwich (IT course)
15:00	RentedMule	fun. I used to teach systems administration at a 2-year college. good times.
15:00	RentedMule	are there any flags that will tell a minetestserver to use more than 1 core? or can I increase its RAM allocation?
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15:03	VanessaE	Jordach: I did, to stop a joinflood from someone with a broken client.
15:04	VanessaE	already turned it off though and just banned the offending user.
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15:23	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6053&p=152390#p152390
15:23	Calinou	â€œtraxie 21 was writing somthing in his adventure journal. adventure journals are made to tell the story of his lifeâ€ 10 / 10
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15:28	sfan5	sol_invictus: your map data is likely corrupted
15:29	sfan5	VanessaE: thats not how you use +i
15:29	sfan5	VanessaE: use /ban <mask>$##fix_your_connection (IIRC)
15:32	sol_invictus	sfan5: is there any tool for leveldb checking/repairing? google is not very helpful
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15:38	Mikeonline	hi
15:41	sfan5	sol_invictus: I don't think there is
15:41	Mikeonline	its mysterious
15:41	Mikeonline	i have nodes i cant punch with worldedit inspect
15:41	Mikeonline	they are shown as unknown and cant be digged
15:41	Mikeonline	just //set air
15:41	Mikeonline	so i cant alias them to default:dirt
15:42	VanessaE	sfan5: I'm still used to the old way, before $##foo was an option.
15:42	sfan5	it depends on ircd
15:42	sfan5	Mikeonline: unknown nodes can't be punched
15:42	Mikeonline	hm
15:43	Mikeonline	thats not always true
15:43	sfan5	they can be punched
15:43	sfan5	but it will not reach lua IIRC
15:43	VanessaE	dig them and you should see in the console what they were?
15:43	Mikeonline	i already punched old streets concrete wall there it worked
15:43	Mikeonline	they are undigable
15:43	Mikeonline	i used //save
15:43	Mikeonline	so i got the name farming:wheat
15:43	VanessaE	since when were unknown nodes undiggable?
15:43	Mikeonline	but an alias is not working wheat->def.:dirt
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15:44	Mikeonline	i dont know i go from 0.4.3 to stable..
15:44	Mikeonline	so much changed
15:44	Mikeonline	i think the problem is the new game farming mod is not compatible with pilzadams old farming mod
15:44	Mikeonline	so the wheat isnt shown and the cotton..
15:45	Mikeonline	i just want to get rid of them all
15:47	Mikeonline	["name"] = "farming:cotton" says //save
15:49	VanessaE	oh then they're unknown items maybe?
15:49	VanessaE	rather than nodes?
15:49	Mikeonline	minetest.register_alias("farming:cotton", "default:dirt")
15:49	Mikeonline	does not work
15:49	VanessaE	farming:cotton is a craft item I thinbk
15:49	VanessaE	think*
15:49	Mikeonline	it says unknownnode
15:49	Mikeonline	the texture
15:50	VanessaE	yes but that's because it was a node
15:50	VanessaE	now it's a craftitem
15:50	Mikeonline	so is the name farming:cotton still used?
15:50	VanessaE	PilzAdam: I thought there was an ABM in place in the farming mod to convert those?
15:51	VanessaE	yes
15:51	VanessaE	it's the item name for string
15:51	Mikeonline	hm
15:51	VanessaE	it's not a node anymore
15:51	Mikeonline	thats a big pain in minetest
15:51	Mikeonline	if names change
15:51	VanessaE	naw, it's fixable
15:51	Mikeonline	like in streets
15:51	Mikeonline	the concrete wall changed her name too
15:51	Mikeonline	seperatingwall
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15:52	VanessaE	when a node changes names and it is still a node, register_alias() will fix it. when it changes names and the old name is now used for a craft item, you use an ABM to convert the old node
15:52	Mikeonline	ah Van you are right if i mv farming/ .farming my alias works
15:52	VanessaE	wait a second please.
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15:54	Mikeonline	cottong and wheat is registered as "plant"
15:54	VanessaE	heres an example of such an ABM, except you don't need the fdir and p_top related stuff, just a single set_node() call: https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack/blob/master/homedecor/refrigerator.lua#L302
15:55	VanessaE	here, I convert an old fridge in homedecor from the single-node version to a two-node version with a new name. The same method will work for you, you just have to substitute the correct node name for cotton - I think it's farming:cotton_8
15:55	VanessaE	you don't want an alias here because cotton on the ground != string
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15:57	Mikeonline	but if i replace using this abm it will loop?
15:57	Mikeonline	for the actual used farming:cotton plant?
15:57	Mikeonline	its still in use isnt it?
15:57	VanessaE	nope it won't loop
15:58	VanessaE	because once the old node has been replaced, the ABM won't have the old node to act on anymore
15:58	Mikeonline	hm hm
15:58	VanessaE	it's in use as a craft item in your inventory only, as a bundle of string
15:58	VanessaE	on the ground, it's farming:cotton_1 through _8
15:58	Mikeonline	but whats about the registered plant?
15:59	Mikeonline	minetest.register_plant uses the farming:cotton
16:00	VanessaE	that's a cotton seed.
16:00	Mikeonline	it wont interefere and destroy all seeds?
16:00	Mikeonline	-e
16:01	Mikeonline	your abm worked :)
16:01	VanessaE	try it and see.
16:01	VanessaE	see if cotton seeds still do their job
16:02	VanessaE	farming:cotton is probably just the prefix and not the whole node name.
16:02	VanessaE	e.g. _1 through _8 gets added to it later.
16:03	Mikeonline	yes i used _8
16:03	VanessaE	good
16:03	Mikeonline	so the nodes change
16:03	Mikeonline	but the inventory will stay unknown?
16:03	VanessaE	in the inventory, you should see a wad of string where the cotton was.
16:03	Mikeonline	"wad"?
16:03	VanessaE	bundle
16:03	Mikeonline	ah
16:04	Mikeonline	the abm is slow but it works :)
16:04	VanessaE	that's normal
16:04	Mikeonline	after the abm has run its not necessary if all nodes in the world have been visited? so it wont waste cpu?
16:05	VanessaE	correct that it isn't necessary, but it doesn't use a significant amount of CPU
16:05	Mikeonline	hm
16:05	VanessaE	if forgotten, it won't have any noticeable effect.
16:05	VanessaE	this is one of those things where you leave it in place for the next 6 months or so and then remove it :)
16:05	Mikeonline	its much work to upgrade :)
16:05	Mikeonline	thanks to vanessa its possible ,)
16:05	VanessaE	heh, well I only helped a little
16:05	Mikeonline	you helped much :)
16:06	Mikeonline	is streets from yoU?
16:06	VanessaE	no
16:06	VanessaE	that's webdesigner97
16:06	Mikeonline	hm
16:06	Mikeonline	i have many lines like: minetest.register_alias("streets:seperating_wall", "streets:concrete_wall")
16:06	Mikeonline	which should be added to some mods
16:07	Mikeonline	i wonder why nobody had complaint in past
16:07	VanessaE	things like that should have been added to the streets mod to begin with
16:07	VanessaE	those imho constitute bugs in the mod :)
16:08	VanessaE	you should post on each of the respective forum topics where mods had to be tweaked, tell them exactly what you changed, and why, and post your code changes.
16:08	Mikeonline	do you think its a "bug"
16:09	Mikeonline	or just because i transfer from a so old version?
16:09	VanessaE	it's a bug.
16:10	VanessaE	your presence here coming from such an old version proves that leaving out simple things like aliases is not something we can safely do yet.
16:10	VanessaE	people here complain that I keep backwards compatibility in mind when I code something new or discuss a new feature...
16:10	Mikeonline	i checked other servers
16:10	Mikeonline	many have unknown nodes
16:11	VanessaE	THAT ^^^^ is why :)
16:11	Mikeonline	backward compatibility is the most important thing i think
16:11	Mikeonline	this game changes so much
16:11	Mikeonline	and people go crazy if it does not work anymore
16:11	VanessaE	none of my mods ever leave unknown nodes in the map unless I screwed up. unknown nodes in the inventory sometimes, but there's no simple way to handle those.
16:11	Mikeonline	that might be a big reason why people quit playing mt
16:11	Mikeonline	if the world is lost or crippled
16:12	VanessaE	naw, the same thing happens with Minecraft also, only it gets worse there
16:12	VanessaE	mods quit working entirely
16:12	Mikeonline	is there an easy way to identify the objectname of stuff in a chest?
16:14	VanessaE	define "easy" :)
16:15	Mikeonline	i found one
16:15	Mikeonline	grief it from chest
16:15	Mikeonline	put in own inv
16:15	Mikeonline	quit
16:15	Mikeonline	then edit profile
16:15	Mikeonline	:D
16:17	Mikeonline	a debug switch for players with debug priv would be cool
16:17	Mikeonline	if set all player actions would be written to console (except movements)
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16:19	Calinou	already the case?
16:19	Calinou	well-made mods will log actions
16:20	Mikeonline	hm
16:21	Mikeonline	but you cant switch debug on instantly ingame?
16:23	Mikeonline	who maintains farming?
16:23	Mikeonline	its into game mod
16:23	Mikeonline	there are some things like farming:seed_wheat vs. farming_wheat_seed where is no alias
16:24	Mikeonline	-_+:
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16:25	Mikeonline	hi OC
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16:58	VanessaE	bbl
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18:51	ThatGraemeGuy	anyone know what's going on here: http://pastebin.com/P5Eu3TcZ
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18:57	Megaf	VanessaE: Are you there?
18:57	VanessaE	ThatGraemeGuy: someone rotated an item frame with the screwdriver and then tried to dig the item frame or remove the item from it.
18:57	VanessaE	this is a known bug.
18:58	VanessaE	I meant to fix that but haven't gotten around to it yet :)
18:58	VanessaE	what's up, Megaf ?
18:58	VanessaE	ThatGraemeGuy: insert a nil check right after line 68, `if not posad then return end` should do.
18:59	VanessaE	sfan5: ^^^^^^ another example of something where the screwdriver needs to be able to be told not to rotate a node. item frames have no reason to ever be rotated.
19:00	ThatGraemeGuy	ok, let me give it a go
19:00	sfan5	can't you implement it?
19:01	VanessaE	sfan5: not really, the screwdriver code is ... a mess, and I disagree extremely strongly on how that mod does its job in the first place.
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19:06	kahrl	well the nil check should be there even if screwdriver didn't exist
19:06	VanessaE	yes
19:06	ThatGraemeGuy	seems to have fixed it
19:06	VanessaE	seems to work fine with it.
19:06	* VanessaE	pushes it to her repo.
19:07	VanessaE	there.
19:10	blaise	time to celebrate?
19:11	VanessaE	?
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20:21	Megaf	!server Megaf
20:21	MinetestBot	Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 \| minetest.megaf.info:30003 \| Clients: 1/8, 2/8 \| Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore \| Ping: 768ms
20:21	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
20:21	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (691ms)
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20:36	Taoki	Hi. Anyone know if there's a function to make physical Lua entities attempt to follow a path of points? To easily make mobs work with http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.find_path
20:36	Taoki	I'm astonished to see Minetest has a realtime path finding system, which I'd have imagined would be very hard to do
20:43	Calinou	barely used
20:43	Calinou	BlockMen claims his creatures mod uses the path finder
20:43	Taoki	I'm thinking of using it in Creatures
20:43	Calinou	or at least, line_of_sight
20:43	Taoki	Nice
20:43	Calinou	to make mobs not see through walls
20:50	Jordach	well that was interesting ( Í¡Â° ÍœÊ– Í¡Â°)
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20:56	AldoBR	hi all
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21:27	Sokomine	taoki: there's been further progress on the mg_villages mod. the main thing it's now still lacking is a name generator. and then perhaps mobs...
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21:50	VanessaE	Calinou: bug in the admin pick without drops: it doesn't run after_dig_node.
21:51	VanessaE	(with drops works fine)
21:51	Calinou	can I do this?
21:51	Calinou	I have to go
21:51	VanessaE	yes, you can but idk how off the top of my head
21:51	VanessaE	I've done it exactly once before
21:52	VanessaE	(a different callback though, on_rightclick)
21:55	AldoBR	Sokomine i can provide you a name generator, or you might do one using a markov chain
21:57	AldoBR	You can generate names using a markov chain based on letters of names. Feed it real city names and it will generate somewhat real sounding names
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22:06	iqualfragile	i fucking hate metal
22:06	VanessaE	so use wood?
22:13	Sokomine	aldobr: if you have a name generator at hand, that'd be nice. i've started writing a very simple one (which may already be sufficient if it gets more input), but a well-done namegen would be better
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22:19	blaise	zomg lag
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22:31	EvergreenTree	I was able to get arch linux working on a virtual machine
22:31	EvergreenTree	:3
22:31	EvergreenTree	Does anyone here use arch as their main OS?
22:34	VanessaE	not I, sorry :)
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22:58	MinetestBot	GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix interlaced 3d mode second image being flipped on compiling against irrlicht >= 1.8 fb2183b 2014-08-29T00:54:46+02:00 http://git.io/t3lXCw
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23:21	Miner_48er	index.mth not found remote media setup problem?
23:21	VanessaE	ignore it
23:21	VanessaE	client bug
23:21	VanessaE	it shouldn't show you that error at all, as it's not really an error.
23:21	VanessaE	not all remote media servers use an index.
23:21	VanessaE	(mine don't)
23:22	Miner_48er	ok how do I test that curl is working?
23:22	VanessaE	it is. :)
23:22	VanessaE	if you saw that message, it's working.
23:22	Miner_48er	ok
23:23	VanessaE	(ironic really, since that's a 404)
23:23	blaise	hey, if I'm using an HV Quarry, and I'm sending my stuff into a locked chest, can I use tubes to link multiple chests together for overflow?
23:24	VanessaE	yes
23:24	VanessaE	one after the next
23:24	VanessaE	items will bounce from chest to chest until they find a place to go
23:24	VanessaE	it's a bit inefficient but it works
23:24	VanessaE	sorting tubes help too
23:25	VanessaE	just set up a row of chests side by side, no spaces between them, connect them all together with a row of tubes alongside
23:25	VanessaE	and a single incoming feed
23:26	VanessaE	[chest] [chest] [chest] [chest] [chest] ...
23:26	VanessaE	incoming>=======#=======#=======#=======#=======#=====....
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23:38	MinetestBot	GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix only one texture being updated on window resize breaking sidebyside and topbottom 3d modes e5b4748 2014-08-29T01:35:35+02:00 http://git.io/va_WYg
23:47	blaise	cool
23:47	blaise	tube underneath?
23:50	VanessaE	or along one side
23:50	VanessaE	that ^^^^ could be a top-down view or a side view
23:50	VanessaE	either way works

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