IRC log for #minetest, 2014-07-07

Time	Nick	Message
00:00	Taoki	heh, yeah
00:00	Taoki	funny since I've seen tons of bugfixes in the last days / weeks
00:00	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Update `stack2` API documentation. https:/ 2014-07-06T19:59:56-04:00 http://git.io/R2WbNg
00:00	ecutruin	VanessaE, that's what he's doing currently I believe by desync ends up causing the animation to loop before it can be set to the idle state.. which is the issue.
00:01	VanessaE	ecutruin: I told him to make the final frame of the animation last for a ridiculously long time. he ignored me :P
00:02	ecutruin	Ah.
00:02	ecutruin	Yeah, that could work, I suppose.
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00:02	ecutruin	Giving you the bit of extra time needed for things to sync up.
00:03	ecutruin	Why there isn't non-looping animations in MT, I have no idea. >.>
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00:21	EvergreenTree	VanessaE: That would be a good quick fix
00:21	EvergreenTree	I might get him to do that
00:21	EvergreenTree	tomorrow
00:22	EvergreenTree	I might tweak it and see if it helps
00:26	stormchaser3000	oh dear
00:30	EvergreenTree	... Except for the fact that I don't know how to export to b3d files
00:30	EvergreenTree	:P
00:32	ecutruin	Heh.
00:36	ecutruin	I really want to do very visual things if I'm going to do MT stuff.. I'm hoping he can work it out, as it gives me a practical example of what I can do. ^-^
00:54	EvergreenTree	ecutruin: ever heard of particles?
00:54	EvergreenTree	they are known to cause a bit of lag, but they are great for effects
00:54	EvergreenTree	minetest isn't so great as visuals go though
00:54	EvergreenTree	RealBadAngel is working on meshnodes though
00:54	ecutruin	Does MT actually have a particle engine? or is it just using entities?
00:54	EvergreenTree	like nodeboxes except they use 3d models
00:54	EvergreenTree	:3
00:55	EvergreenTree	ecutruin: entities I think
00:55	ecutruin	Well of course it lags then. XD
00:55	VanessaE	it uses entities.
00:55	EvergreenTree	we were discussing about using engine particles though
00:55	VanessaE	they're "particles" but not in the Irrlicht sense of the word.
00:55	EvergreenTree	Right
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00:56	ecutruin	They should really offer access to the engine's system.. that'll probably be much better.
00:56	VanessaE	ecutruin: poke jin_xi when you see him next.
00:57	ecutruin	I'll probably forget. >.<
00:59	ecutruin	I am thinking of starting my own game though, I was talking about it with Jordach while we he was working on the chest. I'll probably start from scratch though, and am not sure if I'll release it publically, or just host it as a server and leave that as the only way to play during dev.
00:59	EvergreenTree	ecutruin: that would be quite an undertaking
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01:00	ecutruin	Nono.. a MT game. xD Just starting scratch via blocks/items/models.
01:01	ecutruin	I'll probably do a skyblock concept I wanted to create.. which will let me start from scratch and add content slowly.
01:03	hmmmm	#1425
01:07	paramat	hmmmm, latest versions of my tunnel mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9521&p=147332#p147214 and the following post, details and screenshots (i love the new desert dungeons)
01:07	hmmmm	cool stuff
01:07	hmmmm	i'm taking a break from mapgen though
01:07	hmmmm	right now i've got to make some improvements to block unloading and emergethread stuff
01:07	paramat	that'll be good for you ;)
01:14	EvergreenTree	http://i.imgur.com/z9OCG1O.png
01:15	VanessaE	EvergreenTree: oh, a recaptcha :P
01:15	EvergreenTree	lol
01:16	EvergreenTree	captchas love unparsable characters
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01:45	Dogzilla131	i have problem with minetest 0.4.9,
01:46	VanessaE	0.4.9 is obsolete
01:46	VanessaE	download 0.4.10
01:46	Dogzilla131	the water is always white
01:46	VanessaE	get 0.4.10 and try again.
01:47	Dogzilla131	which 32 bit or 64 bit
01:49	VanessaE	whichever is for your system
01:50	stormchaser3000	hmm well darn
01:57	Dogzilla131	ok thanks
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02:02	cheapie	Would anybody happen to know how to change what the single node is in the singlenode mapgen?
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02:28	telek	Is it possible to make equipped tools animated?
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04:07	alket	Hi , how to make a flame ?
04:07	alket	the thing to see in dark
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04:07	JesseH	Can someone explain how saps grow? Like, do I need a certain depth of dirt, how long does it take, etc?
04:08	telek1	Should just plant it on a grassy node and it grows after a while.
04:08	telek1	I'm not sure what the time requirements are for it though
04:09	alket	how to see in dark ?
04:10	alket	found this thing , inventory
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04:45	hmmmm	you know everybody whines about how "minetest worlds are too small"
04:45	hmmmm	I wonder what would happen if we really gave them what they want
04:45	hmmmm	say, add 8 bits onto X and Z directions
04:47	hmmmm	we'd just have to change literally every instance of v3s16 to "mtvec" or something 8)
04:47	hmmmm	hoo boy, how much fun that'd be.
04:48	hmmmm	and then everything would be slightly slower because then the compiler would have to add in bit operations to extract the not-power-of-2 X and Z members
04:55	hmmmm	all of that labor, slower code, and incompatibility for what: so they can find that the new size would be 8388608 in X and Z directions, teleport there, and then cry "THERE'S STILL NOT ENOUGH SPACE"
04:57	MinetestBot	GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest_game: Convert spaces to tabs and add unknown node checks to xpanes ca7f6bb 2014-07-06T21:49:47-04:00 http://git.io/ZBbmig
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05:15	werwerwer_	who is whining about too small world? for survival multiplayer they are even too large
05:16	werwerwer_	i rarely saw servers wich has something built further then kilometer from spawn
05:18	werwerwer_	(considering node is 1x1x1 meters)
05:22	telek1	hmmmm: Actually I would just be happy with the ability for 'seamless' maps that jump to the opposite coordinates when you reach the 'end' of it.
05:22	ShadowNinja	I've seen 6km, and farther on redcrab's. But there's still plenty of space with that.
05:22	telek1	hmmmm: Or the ability to jump servers when you hit the edge of a map (or cross-server portals)
05:23	hmmmm	that's been discussed before
05:23	hmmmm	both things
05:24	werwerwer_	toroidal map is useless if it's so large. for such size it doesn't make any difference in gameplay
05:24	hmmmm	i know a guy personally who is working on a different minecraft clone (it's far technically inferior apart from this one cool trick) which jumps to a different server once you reach the end of the map on one
05:24	telek1	hmmmm: Not interested, or just not implemented?
05:25	hmmmm	both really
05:25	telek1	Bummer.
05:25	hmmmm	it's not implemented because it's such a low priority thing. i can come up with thousands of more beneficial feature additions/fixes/optimizations
05:27	telek1	hmmmm: Maybe, but seamless sides combined with smaller maps could make things interesting, especially if a ship mod gets produced.
05:28	hmmmm	ahh, the ship idea
05:28	telek1	variable direction gravity and player orientation would be the other one.
05:28	hmmmm	voxel area entities are still on the todo list, just waiting for somebody to take it up
05:29	werwerwer_	oh i saw variable players orientation. after they used a helicopters a little :)
05:29	* telek1	has been mulling what would be involved. The bounding and other things seem potentially messy.
05:36	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Don't unload blocks if save failed 8b3ed78 2014-07-07T01:20:25-04:00 http://git.io/IOeD0g
05:38	hmmmm	well...
05:38	hmmmm	this is odd
05:38	hmmmm	/home/ryan/minetest/src/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp:673: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault: 11
05:39	ShadowNinja	Haha, forget gdb. Minetest is so broken it breaks the cc! ;-)
05:39	hmmmm	trufax :(
05:39	hmmmm	gcc screwed up twice so far in the same period of time
05:39	hmmmm	am I going to start getting random application errors
05:51	MinetestBot	GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Don't copy back already generated blocks on map generation a2e1b0f 2014-07-07T01:51:04-04:00 http://git.io/s95zeQ
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06:36	jp	Hello. I saw the TNT in MT 0410... considering the big amount of blocks it can destruct at the same time, he can bring lag++ to the servers...
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06:36	LemonLake	iirc you can change it
06:37	jp	And I don't understand why boats are added, we can swim faster than navigate with it.
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06:54	telek1	Wait dynamite is now in the game stock?
06:55	LemonLake	no
06:55	LemonLake	but a subgame including it is packaged with builds of the game
06:57	CraigyDavi`	No... tnt is now in minetest_game
06:57	LemonLake	^
06:58	* telek1	ughs.
06:59	telek1	Might want to include an 'ownership' mod in minetest_game then to help with the griefing.
06:59	telek1	TNT is like throwing dungeonmasters back into stock.
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07:11	sfan5	meow
07:11	sfan5	hi everyone
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07:12	hoodedice	Morning Europeans!
07:15	telek1	Morning sfan5, hoodedice
07:15	hoodedice	2:15 am here haha
07:15	sfan5	9:15 here
07:15	sfan5	!server segfaulty
07:15	MinetestBot	sfan5: Meowtest 0.4.10 SEGFAULTY \| minetest.org:30018 \| Clients: 14/20, 0/19 \| Version: 0.4.10-rc1 / meowtest_game \| Ping: 21ms
07:24	hoodedice	oh great, lemme guess
07:24	hoodedice	0.4.10 is getting random segfaults?
07:24	hoodedice	Shall I tweet about it?
07:25	sfan5	hoodedice: nope, no segfaults
07:25	sfan5	tweet about what?
07:25	hoodedice	then why is it codenamed that?
07:26	hoodedice	server is dang fast
07:26	sfan5	the name was OldCoders creation
07:27	hoodedice	oho
07:27	hoodedice	Also, did someone delete my spam topic in the off-topic subforum?
07:28	sfan5	dunno
07:28	hoodedice	Is this server perma?
07:32	hoodedice	sfan5 PING
07:32	sfan5	hoodedice: yes
07:32	hoodedice	Thanks
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07:41	webdesigner97	hello
07:42	hoodedice	Hey!
07:42	webdesigner97	I have a little question concerning: http://pastebin.com/WasjvaXY
07:43	hoodedice	what is the question? (inb4 still sucks at lua)
07:43	jp	:D Excellent
07:43	webdesigner97	Inside wthis snippet, I want to call the setvelocity function of the entity, but I don't know where...
07:43	webdesigner97	if I do it after get_luaentity, it crashes with this message:
07:44	webdesigner97	(w8)
07:44	webdesigner97	ent.object:setvelocity({x = 0, y = user:getvelocity().y, z = 0})
07:44	webdesigner97	attempt to index a nil value
07:44	sfan5	ent.attached = user:get_player_name()
07:45	sfan5	unless you want to set a variable, that does not attach the player to the object
07:45	webdesigner97	sfan5: The goal is to successfully call setvelocity of the entity, I'll update the snippet
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07:46	sfan5	ent:setvelocity({x = 0, y = user:getvelocity().y, z = 0}) ?
07:46	webdesigner97	before or after get_luaentity?
07:46	Krock	hi.
07:46	webdesigner97	hey Korck
07:47	webdesigner97	*Krock, sry
07:47	hoodedice	guys guys
07:47	sfan5	webdesigner97: doesnt matter
07:47	hoodedice	on sfan's server
07:47	hoodedice	<dd> jxf, do u want to be my boifrind?
07:47	Krock	omg. a flying cow
07:48	hoodedice	(laughing intensifies)
07:48	Krock	meowtest!
07:48	Krock	lol
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07:49	webdesigner97	sfan5: If I do it like this: http://pastebin.com/XYcRpndR, it crashes saying attempt to index a nil value (L5)
07:49	sfan5	webdesigner97: before the getluaentity
07:51	telek1	Are '' valid for a
07:51	telek1	an item recipe?
07:51	webdesigner97	I tried ent.object:setvelocity() and ent:setvelocity(). The first one crashes with "attempt to index a nil value", the second with "attempt to index field 'object' (a nil value)"
07:51	webdesigner97	I'll post the complete code
07:52	telek1	IE if you need it three rows wide some but not all of the crafting slots?
07:52	webdesigner97	http://pastebin.com/sxeXNcpy
07:52	webdesigner97	telek1: yes
07:52	telek1	webdesigner97: Thanks
07:53	webdesigner97	sfan5: I'm not even sure what get_luaentity does...
07:53	sfan5	webdesigner97: look that up them
07:53	sfan5	then*
07:53	webdesigner97	The API doesn't say anything
07:54	webdesigner97	*API doc
07:54	webdesigner97	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1823
07:54	webdesigner97	It seems to be userdata... The type I hate most...
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08:02	webdesigner97	updated, the code (http://pastebin.com/Yr1wyuuQ)... But it still doesn't work.... Not before/after get_luaentity, not with ent:setvelocity, not with ent.object:setvelocity()...
08:02	PenguinDad	hi Krock
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08:06	webdesigner97	sfan5: According to http://dev.minetest.net/LuaEntitySAO, ent:setvelocity() should work within the same context as ent:get_luaentity(), but it doesn't, so I guess it's bug.
08:06	* Krock	meows at Calinou
08:06	webdesigner97	hi Calinou!
08:06	Calinou	hi
08:07	sfan5	webdesigner97: try to leave out the ent = ent:get_luaentity()
08:07	* Calinou	is considering making a skins mod where players get to choose between various visual elements
08:07	Calinou	eg. shirt + pants + eyes + hair
08:08	webdesigner97	sfan5: Attempt to index a nil value.
08:08	sfan5	webdesigner97: replace ent.object with ent
08:08	sfan5	too
08:09	webdesigner97	sfan5: Code that caused the latest error: http://pastebin.com/Nyq95vKp
08:10	webdesigner97	if I add .object, it doesn't crash...
08:10	webdesigner97	oh no, it does...
08:10	webdesigner97	weird
08:10	Calinou	oh: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=9688
08:12	Krock	latest 0.4.9-dev and 0.4.10 have the same features...so eh
08:13	webdesigner97	Here's a git repo for it, so I don't have to juse pastebin all the time ^^ https://github.com/webdesigner97/parachute
08:14	PenguinDad	Krock: 0.4.10 has some fixes
08:14	webdesigner97	Someone needs to add a documentation for get_luaentity...
08:14	Krock	get_luaentity().name == "__builtin:item"
08:15	Krock	check out "print(dump(object:get_luaentity()))"
08:15	Krock	^ webdesigner97
08:17	webdesigner97	{["object"] = (userdata)}
08:17	webdesigner97	All I want to do is call setvelocity for an entity spawned with minetest.add_entity(), but no approach works...
08:18	PenguinDad	webdesigner97: I found the bug user:getvelocity()
08:19	Krock	<webdesigner97>Someone needs to add a documentation for get_luaentity...
08:19	Krock	LuaEntitySAO-only: (no-op for other objects)
08:19	Krock	it already exists
08:19	webdesigner97	let me check this...
08:20	webdesigner97	oh
08:20	webdesigner97	So I was watching at the wrong part of the line....
08:20	webdesigner97	-.-
08:20	PenguinDad	webdesigner97: Players aren't SAOs so they can't have a velocity
08:21	webdesigner97	yep... Will this ever be implemented?
08:21	webdesigner97	I mean, that's kind of essential
08:21	Krock	again this question
08:21	webdesigner97	It will come up again and again...
08:21	Krock	use something like a minecart and attach it to the player, then give it a speed
08:22	Krock	result: hacky but works
08:22	webdesigner97	Adding another entity is a dirty solution :P
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08:28	hoodedice	back
08:28	hoodedice	web, checked dev.minetest.net?
08:29	reactor	ÑŠÐ”Ð¢Ð‘Ð§Ð£Ð¤Ð§Ð¥ÐšÐ¤Ð•!
08:29	reactor	Or EtherKiller?
08:31	webdesigner97	hoodedice: Sure, but I was looking at the wrong part of the code and didn't think about the Player object ;)
08:34	webdesigner97	the entity attached to the player always has a speed of 0....
08:34	webdesigner97	gtg now, cu :)
08:34	webdesigner97	and thanks for your help
08:35	alket	how to full screen ?
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08:41	hoodedice	alket, fullscreen = true in minetest.conf
08:42	alket	thanks
08:42	alket	is there any torch ?
08:42	Krock	/giveme torch -1
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08:43	reactor	65535
08:43	reactor	16-bit integers eh?
08:43	Krock	unsigned int 16, yes
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08:45	PenguinDad	a u16 is more than enough imo
08:46	Krock	255 would be enough in the most cases, too
08:47	alket	thanks
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09:02	reactor	Is there a way to determine "who killed whom"?
09:03	PenguinDad	reactor: a detective could help :P
09:03	reactor	Ñ‰_Ð©
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09:03	JamesTait	CCTV everywhere :-P
09:04	reactor	Ingame, I mean.
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09:18	hoodedice	Anyone knows if the guy known as BremaWeb on the forums visits this chan?
09:18	hoodedice	*BrandonReese
09:19	hoodedice	oh he does, how stupid of me haha
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09:39	ecutruin	sfan5, how goes?
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09:44	sfan5	ecutruin: good
09:45	ecutruin	Good to hear.
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10:24	jp	How to stop a server under 0.4.10 : place an huge amount of TNT, light the powder (but it will never explode) and that's all ! http://i.imgur.com/1KYp5qo.jpg
10:27	Krock	How to solve this problem: remove TNT mod
10:27	jp	Yeah... by default it ought be removed.
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10:31	hoodedice	Remove for servers
10:31	hoodedice	not for SP
10:31	jp	Both.
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10:34	Jordach	morning ecutruin
10:34	ecutruin	Morning. We came up with a possible solution to the glitchiness btw.
10:35	Jordach	hm
10:35	Jordach	mmmm, chicken sub
10:36	ecutruin	Basically.. just add a lot of extra frames after the animation.. so that it gives the time needed before looping.
10:36	Jordach	that works
10:37	Jordach	in fact that'd probably be better
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10:37	Jordach	you're in luck because i saved a copy of the lid as a blend
10:38	Jordach	i'll add 90 dead frames (3 seconds played at 30fps)
10:39	ecutruin	I'm eager to see how it works.
10:40	PenguinDad	Damage caused by "only" 125 tnt https://cdn.mediacru.sh/vICrgsNuBZWp.png
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10:45	hoodedice	morning Jordach
10:45	Jordach	mornjng
10:45	Jordach	just fixing the lag on my chests
10:51	Krock	PenguinDad, 125? planning it better would require just 8 or less
10:52	Jordach	!c 30.0/159.0
10:52	MinetestBot	0.18867924528301888
10:52	Jordach	!c 159.0/30.0
10:52	MinetestBot	5.3
10:54	PenguinDad	Krock: actually 64 are enough for that destruction
10:54	Krock	k
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11:26	hoodedice	how do you enable directx in MT? DOes it come by defalut in 0.4.10?
11:26	Taoki	hoodedice: It's a minetest.conf option... see minetest.conf.example I think
11:27	PenguinDad	hoodedice: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L109-111
11:28	hoodedice	Thanks Taok, Penguin
11:28	PenguinDad	np hooded
11:29	hoodedice	Testing Minetest with SweetFX =P
11:30	hoodedice	Annnnnnnnnnnnnd I got the red filter of death
11:31	sfan5	hoodedice: can you post in the news topic? ;; disable shaders
11:32	hoodedice	sfan d3d9
11:32	hoodedice	I don't think it is much of a concern, as "everything is red" with d3d9 is well known
11:33	PenguinDad	that's because we don't have HLSL shaders atm
11:33	sfan5	hoodedice: disable shaders
11:33	hoodedice	obvio sfan
11:33	hoodedice	I was using custom shaders written for directx
11:34	hoodedice	Went back to opengl
11:35	hoodedice	later
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11:36	sfan5	<sfan5>30 hoodedice: can you post in the news topic?
11:36	hoodedice	But.
11:36	hoodedice	Why?
11:37	hoodedice	Also, can't reply to your thread
11:37	sfan5	what does it say
11:37	hoodedice	have to report a bug instead, but I think this bug is well known
11:37	hoodedice	There is no reply box at the bottom
11:38	sfan5	o.O
11:38	PenguinDad	I can't reply either
11:38	hoodedice	That's the reason why I ddn't post FIRST in that thread earlier
11:39	sfan5	hm :/
11:39	sfan5	guess I'll have to wait for ShadowNinja
11:39	hoodedice	And you don't have idiotic kids asking for herobrine mobs
11:41	hoodedice	why are you so excited about this issue anyway?
11:44	PenguinDad	maybe because we have a partly finished android port and _next got merged into _game
11:44	hoodedice	but what does those two things have to do with the red filter of death?
11:45	hoodedice	It's not like RBA ported the shaders over night, and they were supposed to work perfectly
11:45	PenguinDad	RBA ported shaders?
11:46	* sfan5	meows at hoodedice
11:46	hoodedice	Penguin, do you not get literary devices?
11:46	hoodedice	"It's not like"
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11:47	PenguinDad	Oh I misread that sentence
11:49	hoodedice	cool
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11:57	ecutruin	Well Jordach, it seems we're almost there with hybrid entity nodes.. but the double animation is still odd.
12:01	alket	what moves on rail ?
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12:03	sfan5	alket: carts?
12:03	hoodedice	alket, you'll need PilzAdam's Cart mod
12:04	alket	sfan5: thanks but , where is it ? , I can't find it in inventory
12:04	sfan5	<hoodedice> alket, you'll need PilzAdam's Cart mod
12:04	alket	thanks
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12:05	hoodedice	Here, alket: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2451
12:06	alket	when I enter Online Repos it crashes for me
12:06	hoodedice	alket, which Minetest version are you using?
12:07	hoodedice	Also, use the link I passed for now
12:07	alket	the one in kubuntu repos , 0.4.9
12:08	Krock	./topic
12:08	PenguinDad	alket: the modstore works flawless for me in 0.4.10
12:08	Krock	"opic: Latest stable version is 0.4.10"
12:09	alket	thanks
12:09	alket	you have PPA , nice
12:09	hoodedice	!next
12:09	MinetestBot	Another satisfied customer. Next!
12:10	alket	lol
12:11	PenguinDad	!c "0.4.10 released! " * 3
12:11	MinetestBot	'0.4.10 released! 0.4.10 released! 0.4.10 released! '
12:11	Jordach	kitten https://cdn.mediacru.sh/QqMQlDCljW72.png
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12:15	alket	I added PPA , but for some reason it doesn't show any updates
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12:16	Jordach	!c 219.0/30.0
12:16	MinetestBot	7.3
12:16	Jordach	7.3 seconds
12:17	Jordach	!c 22.0/30.0
12:17	MinetestBot	0.7333333333333333
12:17	Jordach	feck
12:17	Jordach	that explains it
12:17	Jordach	!c 220.0/30.0
12:17	MinetestBot	7.333333333333333
12:17	Jordach	derp
12:18	alket	your PPA doesn't work
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12:41	Jordach	trying again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHfmoG4MUIQ
12:42	ecutruin	Sad that we cannot quite eliminate the animation looping on closing (cannot see the issue in the video), but overall its impressive.
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12:43	Jordach	something like entity[1]:play_anim_once({x=1, y=220, 30, 0}) solves it
12:44	Jordach	>Posts: 3997
12:45	ecutruin	Yeah.. it is kind of odd to me why a non-looping animation command doesn't exist already.
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12:51	Jordach	hmmmm, could you create an entity animation system which doesn't loop, and sticks on the end frame?
12:54	EvergreenTree	I think looping should be optional
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12:56	ecutruin	EvergreenTree, I do too.. but it isn't.. we had to put a TON of extra frames to try trick it.. but it still tries to loop (just very quickly and glichingly) at the end.
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12:56	EvergreenTree	odd
12:57	ShadowNinja	sfan5: Permissions fixed.
12:57	EvergreenTree	probably just an issue with entities and lag
12:57	sfan5	ShadowNinja: thanks
12:58	Jordach	i know when you place the chest the frame isn't loopiong
13:00	hoodedice	alket, still here?
13:01	hoodedice	sfan, want me to post?
13:01	sfan5	hoodedice: to post what?
13:01	hoodedice	d3d9 bug thing
13:02	hoodedice	JOrdach, how about switching actual mesh?
13:02	Jordach	hoodedice, because that doesn't work as people think
13:02	hoodedice	Like, play the animation, then at animation play end, switch mesh?
13:02	Jordach	!tell kaeza https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/commit/694a4a8fc1190802e7b5646d8d08696f373fd973 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHfmoG4MUIQ
13:02	MinetestBot	Jordach: yeah, sure, whatever
13:02	Jordach	:3
13:03	hoodedice	<3 MinetestBot
13:03	MinetestBot	<3 hoodedice
13:03	hoodedice	Jordach =P
13:04	sfan5	ShadowNinja: how about allowing people to have two owners for an area without this weird sub-area thing?
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13:05	ecutruin	hoodedice, that was a suggestion I already gave, yeah. You could have a closed mesh, a lidless mesh, and an open mesh.. and swith to lidless on activate, create the entity, and then animate it, then kill the entity and switch to an open chest until you close.. and do the opposite then.
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13:09	Krock	crazyR, what's the status of your landrush -> simple_protection compatibility code?
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13:10	crazyR	to be honest krock ive not had much time to do anythig about it yet, started having alot of issues with the server so been busy sorting that out. sorry
13:10	Krock	okay, good to know
13:11	ecutruin	Of course, doing swaps like that would be quite a bit of crazy stuff just to get the effect of an opening chest. lol
13:15	Jordach	tl;dr https://cdn.mediacru.sh/_i2_1ovAk5ti.png
13:15	Jordach	:3
13:16	Krock	Jordach, it haz no room inside :(
13:16	Jordach	Krock, working on that :3
13:17	Jordach	there, coded the little shitty chest
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13:19	ecutruin	Hehe.
13:21	Jordach	okay, it works
13:21	Jordach	except the storage doesnt :3
13:21	ecutruin	Eh? :P
13:22	Jordach	sfan5, http://paste.debian.net/108525/
13:22	Jordach	halp
13:23	Jordach	(i'll probably use minetest.inventory_cube() for the image)
13:23	sfan5	joepie91: what is wrong
13:23	sfan5	oops
13:23	sfan5	^ Jordach
13:23	Jordach	sfan5, the normal chest isn't giving and inventory
13:23	Jordach	and i kept both formspecs identical in function
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13:24	sfan5	Jordach: what does the formspec look like?
13:25	Jordach	line 143
13:26	sfan5	you forgot a line like "list[nodemeta:".. spos .. ";main;0,0;8,4;]"..
13:26	sfan5	^ Jordach
13:26	Jordach	now where does that go
13:27	Jordach	actually
13:31	Jordach	sfan5, added that
13:31	Jordach	still broken
13:31	Jordach	(i don't understand meta that much)(
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13:50	Jordach	ecutruin, EvergreenTree, sfan5: wanna test dem new chests
13:50	sfan5	not now
13:50	sfan5	sry
13:51	Jordach	s\deco\init.lua:1080: bad argument #4 to 'get_objects_inside_radius' (number expected, got nil)
13:52	EvergreenTree	sure
13:55	Jordach	tl;dr regex caught both chest names
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13:56	Jordach	THERE!
13:56	Jordach	the two regexs stopped interfering with eachother
13:57	Jordach	EvergreenTree, ecutruin: up
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14:05	sfan5	ShadowNinja: areas is buggy, people can take things from chests in protected areas
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14:20	sfan5	ShadowNinja: why do we need to approve every post?
14:23	Jordach	i did not sign that in my contract
14:24	sfan5	Jordach: just the posts in "news"
14:24	Jordach	ah
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14:24	EvergreenTree	sfan5: true
14:25	EvergreenTree	it makes spam not a problem, but what's the point
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14:28	Jordach	hey LemonLake
14:28	Jordach	made my special chests less laggy
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14:47	LemonLake	Jordach: ã“ã‚“ã«ã¡ã¯
14:47	LemonLake	That's good
14:47	* sfan5	meows at LemonLake
14:47	LemonLake	sfan5: ãƒ‹ãƒ£ãƒ¼
14:48	sfan5	nyaaa
14:48	LemonLake	nya :3
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15:08	Krock	celeron55, Is there any requirement to get a post sticky in a forum? points at https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9515
15:10	alket	where do I file a bug report , I want to report that Ubuntu PPA doesn't work
15:10	Calinou	Krock, I stickied it but now there's quite a lot of sticked topics.
15:11	Calinou	I should probably unsticky all of these topics, then add a single sticky topic, linking to each of them.
15:11	Calinou	what do you think?
15:11	Krock	Calinou, how about un-sticking PilzAdam's topic? :3
15:11	Calinou	(for the WIndows builds)
15:12	Krock	hmm, 2 threads required: Windows Builds (where the builders can post) and Build Discussion (bugs, build requests, etc)
15:12	Krock	^ Calinou
15:13	Calinou	why not discuss on the particular build's topic?
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15:19	EvergreenTree	alket: I'm not sure where you would file a bug report for the ppa
15:19	EvergreenTree	does it out right not work?
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15:21	Krock	Calinou, because some people always want the latest build and that could give a mess when there's a discussion about light features or gsmapper discussions
15:22	Krock	too much discussions detected.
15:25	alket	EvergreenTree: I add as usual nothing gets updated
15:26	EvergreenTree	you mean it is an older version?
15:26	alket	yes
15:26	alket	0.4.9
15:29	Krock	Calinou, oh now I got what you meant. A sticky topic, linked to build-topics.. yes, that'd be a soulation, too. I thought of one thread, where all releases get posted
15:29	Krock	Both ways would be a good soulation
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15:33	rubenwardy	Hi all!
15:34	Krock	hi rubenwardy
15:34	PenguinDad	hey rubenwardy
15:35	LemonLake	hi rubenwardy
15:35	Krock	I never get a such storm of "Hi" "Hey" and "Hello"
15:35	Krock	:(
15:35	werwerwer	hi rubenwardy!
15:35	Jordach	afternoon Krock
15:36	LemonLake	nor do I, Krock
15:36	LemonLake	you get used to it
15:36	Krock	rainy afternoon, Jordach
15:36	Jordach	sunny hee
15:36	LemonLake	^
15:36	Krock	:(
15:36	LemonLake	its not stereotypically rainy this time of year
15:36	LemonLake	infact, we have a heatwave coming
15:36	LemonLake	to you though, its normal heat
15:36	LemonLake	to us it's a death laser
15:38	PenguinDad	LemonLake: even normal heat nearly kills me :P
15:39	Krock	^ uhm? already tested?
15:39	Jordach	anyone in the mood for playtesting BFD with me?
15:39	Jordach	(you get to toy with the hybrid nodes)
15:39	Krock	too long digging times
15:39	Jordach	when you get stone it halves
15:40	Krock	uh.
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15:42	Krock	soon coming (TM)
15:42	Jordach	Krock, you can get mese tools
15:43	Jordach	and unlike MTG, Mese is basically the inverse of a diamond, high speed less strength, but same digging levels
15:44	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
15:48	Jordach	"Mese is an alien crystallane ore which extremely lightweight, and easy to shape, but breaks easily" it might also explain the existance of walls at the edges of the world
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15:51	rubenwardy	Now, time to work out how to stop the textures stretching in NBE XD
15:51	Jordach	FINALLY
15:51	* Jordach	claps
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15:52	rubenwardy	Texture tool is the aim of 0.7.x
15:53	alket	is it possible to travel on cart ?
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15:55	reactor	CaveJohnson: Yeah! Take the lemons!
15:55	reactor	Burning people! He says what we're all thinking!
15:55	* sfan5	puts a kitten on LemonLake's head
15:55	sfan5	alket: yes
15:55	* LemonLake	is really confused
15:55	alket	how
15:55	LemonLake	what the hell is this cat doing on my head
15:55	sfan5	right click
15:55	* sfan5	puts Rainbow Dash on LemonLake's head
15:56	* LemonLake	is reaaallly confuse
15:56	LemonLake	+d
15:56	reactor	sfan5: a headcrab would confuse him better.
15:56	LemonLake	what the hell is this pony doing on my head
15:56	* Calinou	puts Rarity too
15:56	* sfan5	gives LemonLake a kitten
15:56	* LemonLake	is not even confused
15:56	LemonLake	FUCKING HEAD HUMPER
15:56	* sfan5	gives LemonLake a beer
15:57	alket	sfan5: but only cart travels , notme
15:58	* LemonLake	gets drunk off his nut
15:58	LemonLake	mozc on android is weird
15:59	rubenwardy	This is impossible :(
16:00	LemonLake	what is?
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16:01	PenguinDad	TIL you shouldn't into your bed in BFD
16:02	PenguinDad	+ jump
16:06	rubenwardy	I hate Mesh Buffers
16:07	PenguinDad	I hate beds
16:08	CaveJohnson	Calinou: sorry :(
16:08	MinetestBot	GIT: maciej.kasatkino2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Faces shading fixes c9ba92c 2014-07-07T18:06:20+02:00 http://git.io/kKuu1w
16:09	reactor	My other bed is bde.
16:09	Jordach	PenguinDad, that's change_physics issues
16:09	Jordach	PenguinDad, i can fix that later too
16:13	alket	is anyone going to tell me how to drive the cart , i right click on it , and im stuck
16:13	Jordach	left click to start it moving, right click to get in
16:14	Calinou	CaveJohnson, why?
16:14	* Calinou	is working on an adaptation of the Skins modâ€¦ 89 colours, but they're rather funky right now
16:14	alket	yeah , but it doesn't move
16:14	VanessaE	uh oh.. 89 colors can mean only one thing...
16:14	PenguinDad	unified_dyes!
16:15	VanessaE	also hi
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16:17	Calinou	but the fact Skins requires inventory_plus annoys me
16:17	Calinou	formspecs look like crap again, armor is in a separate formspec (makes no sense)â€¦
16:18	VanessaE	Calinou: they look terrible in latest minetest_game :P
16:18	VanessaE	I hate the new dark theme ;-/
16:19	Calinou	way better than the old one
16:19	rubenwardy	Yay! Seg fault!
16:19	VanessaE	rubenwardy: that's progress! :D
16:19	VanessaE	though I do kinda like the tweak to the HUD.
16:20	asl	VanessaE: seg fault == progress? how does that work lol
16:20	VanessaE	asl: joke
16:20	EvergreenTree	VanessaE: I like the new theme
16:20	EvergreenTree	much better than the old one
16:22	Calinou	attempting to make it not use inventory_plus :/
16:22	* PenguinDad	really likes the hud from BFD
16:23	rubenwardy	No segfault now, just this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/n1aak61fjiyeb7b/nbe_error.png
16:24	VanessaE	rubenwardy: haha, that's one hell of an error :D
16:24	Jordach	PenguinDad, jordach.minetest.net 30000 for a testing
16:24	VanessaE	rubenwardy: btw the new ground texture looks much better
16:24	rubenwardy	good XD
16:25	rubenwardy	It is twice the res
16:25	VanessaE	I noticed
16:25	Jordach	and yet nobody realised why i went on my own with BFD
16:26	reactor	Ð˜ \| Ð˜ \| Ð˜ \| Ð˜
16:26	reactor	What is that?
16:26	LemonLake	a backwards n
16:27	PenguinDad	Ð˜orth maybe?
16:27	reactor	PÐ¯OBABLY
16:27	CaveJohnson	Calinou: for what I said in <that certain channel> to you
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16:27	CaveJohnson	also, I've become interested in minetest recently
16:27	* CaveJohnson	has a compiled version ready
16:27	Jordach	CaveJohnson, BFD
16:27	Jordach	it has MC chests
16:28	Jordach	that you know, animate :3
16:28	CaveJohnson	Jordach: BFD?
16:28	VanessaE	Jordach: which you will surely port over to Dreambuilder and make them pipeworks compatible once they're perfect, I trust. :)
16:28	CaveJohnson	I might play after I finished fixing this thing
16:28	Jordach	VanessaE, they only add hooks to chest code
16:28	Jordach	not actual item handling
16:29	Jordach	CaveJohnson, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHfmoG4MUIQ
16:30	CaveJohnson	Jordach: nice
16:31	Calinou	BFD: â€œMay require unemploymentâ€
16:31	Jordach	tl;dr i'm actually unemployed
16:32	Calinou	it requires so much time to play itâ€¦
16:32	Jordach	Calinou, each tool haves the speed of the last tool set
16:32	Calinou	I'm wasting too much time on that skin thing :/
16:32	Jordach	halves*
16:32	Calinou	people complicating their stuff for no reason :(
16:32	Jordach	Calinou, i spent about ~9 hours on those chests
16:32	* asl	haven't played minetest since landrush more or less died and became flooded with weeds :(
16:33	Jordach	asl, flooded?
16:34	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/6QZxpQT99RhG.png i've managed to bin myself!
16:34	asl	Jordach: weeds are popping up everywhere on landrush, i got bored of cleaning them and kind of stop playing
16:34	Jordach	fitting inside that is almost impossible
16:34	celeron55	Calinou, Krock: should we create a new forum section for builds?
16:35	celeron55	(also other moderators)
16:35	alket	ok , cart doesn't move
16:35	celeron55	i think we should
16:35	Calinou	sub-forum?
16:36	Calinou	we could have a Server Administration sub-forum too in Servers.
16:36	Calinou	(tips about server administration, tools like restart scripts, etc)
16:36	Jordach	+1
16:36	celeron55	i don't like subforums
16:36	sfan5	Calinou: servers should be split into <what you suggested> / actual servers
16:36	celeron55	they generally just mean bad organization
16:36	alket	please help , I have made a really big railroad , spent some hours , now cart doesn't move
16:37	VanessaE	alket: you need accelerator rails (powered by mesecons) to keep carts moving.
16:37	VanessaE	alket: once you give a cart a push, it'll keep moving as long as it keeps crossing accelerator rails (and has enough momentum to climb hills, if there are any to climb).
16:38	Calinou	but currently, server topics and topics about server administration are mixed up :(
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16:39	daswort	hi i moved a world from one subgame to another by editing the world file. Now there are some chests that are owned by singleplayer, but can't be opened by singleplayer. Any ideas how to fix?
16:39	alket	hey VanessaE , thanks you very very much
16:39	celeron55	what kind of board could fit news and builds under it (boards are those general/modding.../engine dev/moderators/offtopic ones
16:40	celeron55	what name
16:40	Calinou	it looks like latest commits made map generation a tad faster for me
16:40	VanessaE	celeron55: I might have suggested Minted Related -> Builds, if not General Discussion -> Builds.
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16:41	VanessaE	if you wanted to keep an existing category that is.
16:41	VanessaE	wat? Minted Related? haha
16:41	VanessaE	Minetest Related.
16:41	celeron55	no i want to create a new forum (using phpbb terminology)
16:41	celeron55	for builds
16:41	celeron55	and i need a place for it
16:41	VanessaE	OH
16:42	VanessaE	literally under, as in page layout
16:42	VanessaE	um
16:42	celeron55	a place where some of the existing ones would be moved too, and i'm thinking news for that)
16:42	VanessaE	put it right under News.
16:42	celeron55	but are those really General?
16:42	celeron55	i think it's more like Miscellaneous
16:42	PenguinDad	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/VhXd5TgbtpDj.png that chest keeps open 8)
16:42	VanessaE	well
16:43	rubenwardy	"Minetest"
16:43	Krock	celeron55, about the sub-forum, how about putting it into "Engine Development"?
16:43	VanessaE	over here, both words have similar meanings
16:43	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9515 â†’ the screenshot looks like the old screenshot of the very old official Minetest website (~ July 2011) :P
16:43	Jordach	PenguinDad, you're only supposed to close minetest while not in a formspec
16:43	Krock	Calinou, minimal game.
16:43	VanessaE	I wouldn't plug builds into "Engine Development". that seems wrong
16:44	PenguinDad	Jordach: I like that style for a locked chest :P
16:44	Krock	well, most builds aren't stable
16:44	Krock	therefore in-developement
16:44	VanessaE	yeah but engine dev suggests actual discussion about coding on the engine.
16:44	Calinou	<Jordach> PenguinDad, you're only supposed to close minetest while not in a formspec
16:44	Calinou	Alt + F4 lets you do otherwise, or Ctrl + C from console
16:45	Calinou	both are safe to use
16:45	celeron55	should everyone have privileges to post on the Builds forum?
16:45	Calinou	register something on server shutdown?
16:45	VanessaE	celeron55: no.
16:45	celeron55	i guess yes, and the important ones are then just stickied
16:45	Calinou	probably only build makers
16:45	VanessaE	celeron55: how about section title, "Featured" ?
16:45	Krock	VanessaE, it's not the partly official forum.
16:45	celeron55	VanessaE: that sounds good
16:45	celeron55	VanessaE: are you sure about the "no."
16:45	celeron55	considering my suggestion
16:46	daswort	Or can i change the owner of a chest?
16:46	VanessaE	celeron55: well, I'm thinking of it as one level beyond being about to, say, post a mod in Modding General vs. Mod Releases.
16:46	VanessaE	being able to*
16:46	Krock	celeron55, sure. everybody should have the priv to post there
16:46	CaveJohnson	new release?
16:46	* CaveJohnson	reocmpiles
16:46	CaveJohnson	*recompiles
16:46	CaveJohnson	Calinou: anyway, how have you been? :)
16:46	* Krock	gives CaveJohnson a typo
16:46	VanessaE	but perhaps you're right
16:46	* CaveJohnson	gives Krock some keyboard keys
16:47	* Krock	labels them with F13, F14, F15, F16, F0, F1..
16:47	celeron55	let's try if it works as basically just everything build related moved to there from General Discussion, preserving stickiness
16:47	VanessaE	if the well-known/vetted ones are stickied, I suppose that would go quite a ways to allay any fears most might have about trying out "just any random joe's build"
16:48	Krock	celeron55, good idea. I'd support that
16:48	celeron55	it will also allow those weird BSD/android/whatever builds made by random people to co-exist
16:48	VanessaE	good point
16:48	VanessaE	ok, I'll buy that.
16:49	celeron55	do we need a "rules" post? like, basically stating "you may post compiled versions of minetest and it's utilities here"
16:49	celeron55	i mean topic
16:49	VanessaE	mmm
16:49	sfan5	I don't think we need that
16:50	VanessaE	I think just a quick "here's what this section is for, and if you post a build that relies on extra patches, the GPL applies, etc."
16:50	VanessaE	anything beyond that is probably overkill?
16:50	Krock	woo! gsmanners is back
16:50	VanessaE	well LGPL anyway
16:51	Sokomine	daswort: hm, yes, you can change the owner of a chest if you change the metadata. there was a mod that did it somewhere out there...
16:51	Krock	^easy to do
16:53	celeron55	how 'bout now
16:53	Calinou	CaveJohnson, fine, but a bit angry due to wanting a nice skins solution :(
16:53	Krock	+1
16:53	LemonLake	oo, that's a fancy board
16:53	Calinou	current one requires the server admin to add every skin by hand
16:53	LemonLake	are you gonna be moving previous builds over?
16:54	Krock	^ sureÂ¨!
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16:54	Calinou	CaveJohnson, https://gitorious.org/Calinou/carbone (can't PM)
16:54	Krock	forum rules and/or title formatitng can be added later, if it's a problem
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16:54	celeron55	the previous build topics should be moved there by moderators
16:55	Calinou	Jordach, your coal texture is taken directly from Minecraft: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/VhXd5TgbtpDj.png â†’ if I were you I'd change itâ€¦
16:55	Jordach	Calinou, was on my massive 12 LOW todo sheet
16:55	Jordach	(LibreOffice Writer)
16:55	Jordach	12 page*
16:55	Krock	no wonder, at a font size of 300
16:56	reactor	Why not make it in TeX?
16:56	LemonLake	+Krock
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16:56	Calinou	minetest_game's default is pretty nice already
16:56	reactor	12 pages -- already a hell to maintain in LOW
16:56	Calinou	better than Minecraft's
16:57	* Jordach	has an OCD issue
16:57	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/9Fgksh9OMquG.png
16:57	LemonLake	mhm
16:57	Calinou	the wood texture sucks as usual :P
16:57	LemonLake	its some sort of house
16:57	* PenguinDad	doesn't care if gsmanners is back or not
16:57	* Krock	gives Jordach shaders
16:57	LemonLake	i think the would should be less contrasted
16:57	Calinou	your health bar is rather nice, I'd like to have a bar background too
16:58	Jordach	and that's the exact reason why I won't texture a desk
16:58	Krock	Jordach, how heavy is your BFD? it takes years to load
16:58	LemonLake	well
16:58	LemonLake	its like 25mb
16:58	Jordach	Krock, ~29 iirc
17:01	CaveJohnson	hm
17:02	CaveJohnson	cmake seems to be looking for files in /usr/lib, however, all the shared libraries are in /usr/lib64
17:02	CaveJohnson	anyway I can change that?
17:02	CaveJohnson	I don't want to have to symlink all of them
17:02	CaveJohnson	and last time I used a wildcard for such a thing, make segfaulted.
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17:04	Jordach	VanessaE, bones GUI https://cdn.mediacru.sh/x4VkSlQAL204.png
17:05	VanessaE	nice textures :)
17:05	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/XU4oqhXzhGmX.png
17:06	Jordach	VanessaE, they're yours :3
17:06	VanessaE	but I still hate the bones mod :P
17:06	Jordach	Krock, ^^
17:08	rubenwardy	grr, segfault
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17:09	nman3600	Krock, Can you come on your server to help me a min
17:09	Jordach	i wonder if the inventory squares can have their colour changed
17:09	MinetestBot	GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Switch back repository to dev-mode after 0.4.10 release. 5ca336e 2014-07-07T19:08:41+02:00 http://git.io/rZfgeQ
17:09	Calinou	my eyes are bleeding, Jordach (the bones GUI)
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17:11	* Krock	thinks, version numbers are useless
17:15	Calinou	they aren't
17:15	Calinou	for larger projects
17:16	PenguinDad	Krock: then "Mintest e14c4cdd4c3c9b554dc9cb91f8f29078ad337ded" would be the latest stable release
17:17	Krock	PenguinDad, sub(0, 8) or so...
17:17	PenguinDad	Krock: only full hashes count
17:18	Krock	k
17:18	BlockMen	Calinou, for background images on statbar use better hud (like jordach does) :P
17:19	Calinou	I just want the background images, not hunger or anything elseâ€¦
17:19	PenguinDad	Calinou: you can disable hunger
17:19	BlockMen	disable hunger?
17:19	Calinou	were get_hp() and get_breath() changed? my health bars don't appear above players anymore
17:20	* BlockMen	doubts they were changed
17:21	Calinou	really, they just went away
17:21	Calinou	oh, I see other players' only
17:21	Calinou	good thing, no use to see your own ;)
17:23	MinetestBot	GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Update default control documentation e69d660 2014-07-07T19:12:38+02:00 http://git.io/u8uHBQ
17:23	Jordach	BlockMen, PenguinDad: you're both cordially invited to my world :3
17:23	Krock	looks like this is already worth for a new build
17:24	BlockMen	Krock, sure ;)
17:24	Krock	BlockMen, since I don't change the version_extra anymore, I save about 20 minute of compiling
17:25	Krock	:happy:
17:26	jp	VanessaE : 'heating element' if for what ?
17:27	VanessaE	jp: because just a copper ingot at the bottom of an oven doesn't make any sense :)
17:28	VanessaE	but crafting a simple "heating element" and using that does
17:28	VanessaE	it's just to make the recipe more sensible is all
17:28	VanessaE	it's also used in one or two other recipes
17:29	jp	Hmm... ok.
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17:34	jp	Vanessa : wardrobe clothes to add too.
17:34	VanessaE	yeah, still need that.
17:35	jp	One special for girls (giant wardrobe)
17:35	Calinou	:(
17:35	Calinou	that's sexist
17:36	jp	:P
17:36	VanessaE	...
17:36	VanessaE	I might make a few color schemes but not different sizes
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17:40	jp	And the beds !
17:41	VanessaE	eventually.
17:41	VanessaE	I've got lots to code yet.
17:42	BlockMen	could someone move to "old mods" plz: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4965
17:42	BlockMen	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7735
17:42	VanessaE	done.
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17:46	PenguinDad	Calinou: Why is the hand invisible in non-creative mode?
17:46	Calinou	it should be invisible in both now
17:46	Calinou	it makes more sense; it's easier to know whether you have something in hand or not
17:46	Calinou	hand doesn't display when wielding an item
17:47	Calinou	also, do your put your hand like that in real life when you have nothing in hand? ;)
17:47	Calinou	it fits the third person view more
17:48	jp	VanessaE : it's normal that your windows are crossables ?
17:49	VanessaE	wat
17:49	jp	cross-able ?
17:49	jp	Hmm...
17:49	jp	To cross through.
17:50	VanessaE	you mean these? https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack/blob/master/homedecor/textures/homedecor_window_quartered.png
17:50	jp	All windows.
17:50	daswort	I installed owner change stick and changed the chests from singleplayer to blah and back to singleplayer but i can't open them. New locked chests on the other side work flawlessly.
17:51	VanessaE	the only windows homedecor defines are ones that are divided into quarters, which is common on older houses, and ones which are simple wooden frames. that's all.
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17:52	VanessaE	(and those windows don't have crafting recipes yet)
17:52	jp	These : http://i.imgur.com/p8t42NQ.png
17:53	jp	We can cross through.
17:53	VanessaE	you can walk through them?
17:53	jp	Yes indeed.
17:53	VanessaE	ok, I'll fix that
17:53	celeron55	nobody moving build topics?
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17:55	Krock	sfan5!
17:57	VanessaE	jp: fixed. 96f3f8f
17:57	jp	Thx !
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17:59	VanessaE	jp: no big deal. just a copy&paste oversight from the original contribution.
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18:03	VanessaE	celeron55: moved the ones that I know about
18:04	sfan5	Krock!
18:04	* Krock	throws "<celeron55>nobody moving build topics?" at sfan5
18:04	jp	Ok, VanessaE, but I take care now ;)
18:05	jp	before D/L.
18:05	sfan5	Krock: VanessaE already did them
18:05	Krock	sfan5, oh. one F5 key-press too less. sorry.
18:06	jp	VanessaE : another idea : a little dog kennel.
18:06	VanessaE	jp: a decent one needs meshnodes.
18:06	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Oops, fix `//set`. https:/ 2014-07-07T14:06:33-04:00 http://git.io/FeYCfw
18:07	jp	Yep...
18:10	jp	VanessaE : the "Window Blinds" are walkable through again.
18:10	VanessaE	they're supposed to be,
18:10	jp	Ah.
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18:10	VanessaE	I figure a real one is loose and floppy, so an in-game one can be walk-through also
18:11	Calinou	cubic dog kennel :p
18:11	jp	It allow intrusion...
18:11	VanessaE	jp: so put it over a window like it's supposed to be? :P
18:12	jp	Why not, yes...
18:17	VanessaE	Calinou: someone wanna make a pet dog to keep? :P
18:17	Jordach	nope nope nope nope nope nope
18:17	VanessaE	(and I don't mean the one from MOBF either)
18:17	Jordach	not modeling
18:19	VanessaE	sounds like you're trying to talk yourself out of it :)
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18:29	Jordach	ecutruin, BlockMen entities
18:29	ecutruin	Hrm?
18:29	Jordach	minetest gets a bit, hairy when there's a few too many entities
18:29	ecutruin	Yeah.
18:30	ecutruin	I've noticed.. One reason I think we should use nodeswapping for the chests.. using entities only for the animation and then destroying them.
18:31	VanessaE	bbl
18:31	ecutruin	NodeMesh's should help for animated blocks.
18:34	EvergreenTree	ecutruin: Yes, that would be better then having entities for the lids all the time
18:34	EvergreenTree	I may learn how to model so that Jordach can get a break as minetest's community modeler
18:35	EvergreenTree	:P
18:35	ecutruin	EvergreenTree, lol.
18:35	ecutruin	I'm hopping off the server as I have to sleep soon
18:35	ecutruin	Well.. soon being like 20 minutes.
18:38	ecutruin	I have my own game project I am going to try start working on. Depending on my success I'll either use it to make my own server that I launch.. or I'll move to offering myself out as a modeler for hire. xD
18:39	celeron55	i'm setting up a public server where i run experimental mods out of requests by modders
18:39	ecutruin	Nice, celeron55.
18:39	sfan5	on the c55.me box?
18:40	celeron55	no, on a VPS
18:40	Jordach	ooooooooh
18:40	celeron55	does someone want to immediately start moderating this? if not, i'm going to run it as a total chaos server initially
18:40	troller	ban *
18:40	* sfan5	already has something to moderate
18:40	EvergreenTree	I'm too busy
18:40	celeron55	(i'm not expecting anyone to want to do that)
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18:42	Krock	celeron55, chaos server ftw!
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18:42	sfan5	choas moderates itself!
18:42	Krock	^
18:42	celeron55	i
18:43	celeron55	i'm putting at least creatures on this to begin with
18:43	celeron55	it's fairly unique
18:43	celeron55	and experimental
18:43	sfan5	creatures works nice on meowtest
18:44	sfan5	I prefer it over mobs and simple mobs
18:44	Calinou	<celeron55> does someone want to immediately start moderating this?
18:44	Calinou	I can
18:44	sfan5	less mobs but more qualiy
18:44	sfan5	quality*
18:44	celeron55	Calinou: tell your preferred moderating setup (mods and settings)
18:44	Calinou	do I need anything in particular?
18:44	Calinou	other than privs
18:44	sfan5	Calinou: you probably want worldedit..
18:45	celeron55	it's just minetest_game to begin with
18:45	sfan5	or any of these: http://wiki.minetest.net/File:Modsonservers.png
18:45	Calinou	ah, OK
18:46	Calinou	Map Tools
18:46	Calinou	for quick removal of nodes, unbreakable nodesâ€¦
18:46	Calinou	is good in addition to WorldEdit
18:46	* Krock	is confused between minetest_game (old) and minetest_game (new)
18:46	Calinou	feel free to install More Blocks too, but that has nothing to do with administration
18:46	celeron55	does carbone have everything you prefer? i guess it's compatible enough with minetest_game for easy mod testing
18:46	Calinou	yes
18:47	Calinou	it bundles maptools and worldedit already
18:47	Krock	yay! self- advertising! install simple_protection and u_skinsdb to, plz :3
18:47	sfan5	I guess that'll be the 1st public carbone server then
18:47	Calinou	but since you want to use Creatures, disable the mobs mod there
18:47	Calinou	sfan5, there were already a few, but they renamed the game or stopped running
18:47	Calinou	eg. trainwrecktony
18:47	Calinou	Krock, there's protection mod in Carbone
18:47	Krock	oh.
18:47	Calinou	the protection block is craftable by players, there's overlap prevention, area preview, can add other players to areasâ€¦
18:49	sfan5	ffu
18:49	sfan5	I finally want to update meowtests game
18:49	sfan5	but more people keep joining
18:49	Krock	Ctrl + C helps
18:50	sfan5	it's not hosted under my control
18:50	Krock	they'll rejoin if they like your server
18:50	Krock	oh
18:50	Calinou	Carbone also has xban, so you can do temporary bans and ban players who aren't connected
18:50	Calinou	celeron55, what about pvp? it's maybe a better idea to disable it, to avoid random people punching around at spawn
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18:52	Krock	*C__
18:52	EvergreenTree	celeron55: maybe try the ban hammer
18:52	EvergreenTree	and see if it works properly
18:52	Calinou	Krock, doesn't have to be creative, but it can
18:52	Calinou	I'd disallow empty passwords to avoid many noobs and mobile clients
18:53	Krock	Calinou, if it's a testing server, then it would b very good if it's creative
18:53	Calinou	(Carbone disallows guest names by default already, same for admin and 1-letter names)
18:53	Krock	no_guests
18:53	Calinou	no_bad_names in Carbone (but it's based on no_guests)
18:53	Calinou	it doesn't block only guests
18:54	sfan5	I think I could sue Calinou....
18:54	sfan5	(I didn't specify a license for the nickname judge code -> all rights reserved)
18:55	Calinou	I disabled your judge function
18:55	Calinou	it's commented out
18:55	Calinou	(I'd rather avoid false positives, also I don't think it's useful)
18:55	Calinou	sfan5, you released it in BSD-licensed no_guests mod :p
18:55	sfan5	:(
18:55	sfan5	Calinou: nope, kaeza did not even ask whether he could use it
18:55	Krock	Calinou, does it also block names like "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"?
18:56	Krock	^too lazy to test
18:56	Calinou	no
18:57	Krock	k
18:57	Calinou	blocking guest, admin, all-numeric, 1 character usernames and disallowing empty passwords is already a good start
18:57	Calinou	to filter out legitimate players from the kindergarten :p
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19:03	Jordach	tl;dr was going to add a custom built one for BFD
19:03	Calinou	Jordach, you can use Carbone's
19:03	Jordach	i'll ask VanessaE for her banned username's list
19:03	Jordach	so i can get a range of bad typings of admin :3
19:04	Calinou	Carbone also blocks adm1n, 4dmin, admLnâ€¦
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19:10	Jordach	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC2vkXZD46Q
19:11	ecutruin	Nice, Jordach.
19:11	Krock	yay!
19:12	rubenwardy	the pain is so unbearably bad. https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/e058b66d5a7db080d62a#file-nodebox-cpp-L179-L233
19:12	Jordach	both male and female models are updated
19:12	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
19:20	Calinou	Jordach, give it 2 days until BFD HUD becomes like this: http://www.gamasutra.com/db_area/images/feature/4115/doom_map.jpg
19:20	Calinou	:p
19:20	PenguinDad	Jordach: where's the difference?
19:21	Jordach	PenguinDad, notice that there's an elbow / knee joint
19:21	Jordach	resembling my higher detailed blender models
19:21	Calinou	elbow/knee joint is a nice idea, but the actual animation is not so good, so I prefer using the old model with 3D armor
19:22	Jordach	Calinou, if i was allowed IK rigging
19:22	Jordach	that'd be 10000000000x better
19:23	Jordach	can someone find the tiling on this? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/FHaKWACX_DmH.png
19:25	Jordach	that's the MTG texture with added noise and a few random rotations :3
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19:26	SoniEx2	asie, u there?
19:26	asie	yes
19:26	asie	why
19:26	SoniEx2	asie, try to get mapcode in minetest
19:26	asie	i'm also considering coming back to Minetest. Again.
19:26	asie	SoniEx2: No.
19:26	celeron55	!up minetest.8dromeda.net
19:26	SoniEx2	aka scripted world saving/loading
19:26	MinetestBot	minetest.8dromeda.net:30000 seems to be down
19:27	SoniEx2	asie, :(
19:27	celeron55	i guess this VPS is unsuitable for serving UDP stuff
19:28	SoniEx2	asie, but then you wouldn't need backups to be able to rollback... :(
19:28	asie	SoniEx2: uhhhhhh?
19:28	asie	minetest has builtin rollback facilities
19:28	asie	stop asking me for doing things i don't care about unless you pay me for it.
19:28	asie	it's really annoying
19:28	* Krock	gives asie a cookie
19:28	SoniEx2	the main feature of mapcode is that it lets you add new things without replacing old things
19:29	asie	SoniEx2: and slow down loading times?
19:29	SoniEx2	not really
19:30	* Calinou	is packaging around 2 â€œnewâ€ texture packs
19:31	SoniEx2	think about this: you store the map right after worldgen, then you store changing of map data in another layer, and if you would have to change that layer, you store another layer, etc
19:31	celeron55	what is the easiest way to try connecting to a minetest server on a headless system?
19:31	SoniEx2	you don't have to make a new layer for every block
19:32	SoniEx2	or node... I keep forgetting minetest uses nodes not blocks
19:32	Calinou	client with null renderer and --go setting?
19:32	Calinou	you need Irrlicht for compiling such a thing though :/
19:32	celeron55	no irrlicht
19:32	celeron55	and also no php
19:32	celeron55	python is available
19:32	PenguinDad	Calinou: null renderer segfaults
19:32	celeron55	also node.js
19:33	Calinou	I've seen a test-multiplayer python script, but it may be very outdated
19:33	celeron55	there's a python script somewhere... but where
19:33	Calinou	util/
19:33	Calinou	/minetest/util/test_multiplayer.sh
19:33	celeron55	eh
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19:33	Calinou	but it's not what you want
19:34	SoniEx2	asie, also it shouldn't slow down loading times as you can just use the skip / setpos instructions
19:34	SoniEx2	(yep mapcode has instructions)
19:34	celeron55	https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/serverup.py
19:34	celeron55	hmm, here's some code
19:35	sfan5	some one is also here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/protocol.txt#L73
19:35	sfan5	same*
19:35	sfan5	it's even python
19:35	celeron55	oh, this is the best one
19:36	celeron55	doesn't work directly with ipv6 though!
19:36	Jordach	Calinou, acting a bit like a troll over Minetest SubGames won't get you far :3
19:37	celeron55	locally on the server this happens: "188.126.65.239 is up (0.00082ms)"
19:37	celeron55	!up 188.126.65.239
19:37	MinetestBot	188.126.65.239:30000 seems to be down
19:38	celeron55	but on the internet this happens
19:38	Calinou	Jordach, I'm not trolling
19:41	celeron55	oh, now i see why... i have a firewall on this thing 8)))
19:41	celeron55	"let's see.... iptables -L"
19:41	celeron55	"oops"
19:43	Jordach	is HTML in hexadecimal colouring?
19:44	Jordach	using a duck to search the web doesn't help
19:44	sfan5	Jordach: wat
19:44	sfan5	CSS can use many color-types
19:44	sfan5	rgb(1, 2, 3)
19:44	sfan5	rgba(1, 2, 3, .5)
19:44	sfan5	#FEFEFE
19:44	sfan5	#F4A
19:45	sfan5	and color names
19:45	sfan5	^ wut
19:46	sfan5	I think my vps died
19:46	Krock	R.I.P
19:46	sfan5	oh no it didn't
19:46	Krock	Rest in Pies
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19:46	sfan5	<3 MinetestBot
19:46	MinetestBot	<3 sfan5
19:48	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/8_mpIRQmBfui.png
19:48	Jordach	!tell ecutruin https://cdn.mediacru.sh/8_mpIRQmBfui.png
19:48	MinetestBot	Jordach: I'll pass that on when ecutruin is around
19:48	Jordach	<3 MinetestBot
19:48	MinetestBot	<3 Jordach
19:49	Jordach	i didn't sample a colour from the BG itself :3
19:49	celeron55	bleh
19:49	celeron55	seems like either creatures is broken or creatures is incompatible with carbone
19:49	celeron55	hard to tell
19:50	Jordach	blame taoki
19:50	celeron55	(and it doesn't really make sense to try it with minetest_game as it obviously does work with some version of it
19:50	celeron55	)
19:52	celeron55	it needs the default.gui_slots field to be set
19:52	Taoki	celeron55: What's broken? Works for me with latest minetest engine and minetest_game
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19:52	celeron55	i'm attempting to make it work with carbone
19:52	Taoki	Just updated its formspecs to use the new style in MtG today
19:52	Calinou	I messed up GUI styling in Carbone
19:53	Taoki	Oh, sorry
19:53	SoniEx2	asie, did you get my messages?
19:53	Taoki	Misread that, you meant Carbone
19:53	Calinou	every mod defines the same variable and suchâ€¦ it's quite bad and should be redone
19:53	Taoki	I didn't try it there yes
19:53	celeron55	had to remove 3d_armor, mobs, shields and wieldview from carbone, to begin with
19:53	celeron55	21:43:10: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ...ds/minetest_mods_creatures/creatures/api_players.lua:156: attempt to concatenate field 'gui_slots' (a nil value)
19:53	Taoki	Haha, that's actually why it might not be working. I added the new GUI styling functions to it today
19:53	celeron55	and finally i get that
19:53	Calinou	define gui_slots
19:53	Calinou	it's defined in default/init.lua
19:53	Calinou	I guess you have to copy the definitionâ€¦ that's what I did for other mods
19:54	SoniEx2	asie, <SoniEx2> asie, also it shouldn't slow down loading times as you can just use the skip / setpos instructions <SoniEx2> (yep mapcode has instructions)
19:54	Taoki	Calinou: So I'd suggest giving Carbone those fields too. ..default.gui_bg..default.gui_bg_img..default.gui_slots. Theme them in any way of course
19:54	celeron55	hmm, got it to work
19:54	Taoki	I think every game should have these now
19:54	SoniEx2	(and no, it's not turing complete)
19:54	Taoki	yay
19:54	Calinou	that's what minetest_next uses
19:54	Calinou	but I only use styled GUI slots, no GUI background or image
19:54	Taoki	Calinou: minetest_next is now minetest_game
19:54	celeron55	actually no, didn't
19:54	SoniEx2	also how do shared libs work?
19:55	SoniEx2	(and does minetest use them?)
19:55	Krock	^al long MT works smoothly, you don't need to care about that
19:56	SoniEx2	Krock, unless you wanna learn more about shared libs, and LuaJIT?
19:56	PenguinDad	Krock: did you mean al gore? :P
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19:56	Taoki	celeron55: Let me know if any problems with Creatures not working in Carbone are related to the creatures mod. In case I could add any tweaks to make it more compatible
19:57	Calinou	it's likely my fault
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19:57	Taoki	ok
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19:58	Krock	* as long, PenguinDad
19:58	Taoki	BTW: Should other games keep calling their base mod "default"? Or would that make it difficult for mods to separate minetest_game's default from others's?
19:58	bob____	I have the q uestion
19:58	SoniEx2	how do you learn C?
19:58	sfan5	bob____: just ask, when someone can help they will
19:58	celeron55	Taoki: if they want to be compatible with minetest_game, yes; if not, no
19:59	Krock	s/the q /a q
19:59	celeron55	Taoki: this rule applies always
19:59	bob____	What are system requiremint for the linux version
19:59	Taoki	ok
19:59	Taoki	Good to know. Since mine will likely be too different from minetest_game to allow compatibility with any mods
20:00	Krock	bob____, a graphic card, if possible
20:00	Taoki	eg: I'll probably rename dirt_with_grass and use another system for making dirt grow grass over it
20:00	celeron55	i think i got creatures working now with carbone; it's a bit glitchy but bearable
20:00	bob____	integrated graphic card work?
20:00	Taoki	nice
20:00	sfan5	bob____: at least 256M ram, 512M recommended
20:00	bob____	ok thank for your help
20:00	sfan5	bob____: integrated graphics card will probably work
20:01	bob____	thank again
20:01	Taoki	If it's laggy, that's porobably because IIRC Carbone uses mgv7. As much as I love this mapgen, it seems to have the issue of being slow when generating
20:01	celeron55	carbone uses v6
20:01	Taoki	oh. Dunno why then
20:01	Krock	all good mapgens are slow
20:01	celeron55	well it's not laggy
20:01	Taoki	For me mods started lagging when I tried them on a local world using paragenv7
20:01	sfan5	^ mg is slow, and mg is good
20:01	Krock	(doesn't mean, fast mapgens are bad)
20:01	bob____	for the server same requirement?
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20:01	celeron55	or wait, what are you even talking about? oh whatever
20:02	Taoki	**mobs
20:02	sfan5	bob____: for the server the same (except the server does not need a graphics card); also dual core cpu is recommended
20:02	Taoki	paragenv7 is a biome mod for mgv7
20:02	Taoki	no worries though, probably not the same issue
20:02	bob____	cpu 0.6 ghz work?
20:02	Krock	0.6 GHz?
20:02	bob____	Yes
20:02	Krock	600 MHz isn't enough
20:02	sfan5	a bit slow
20:02	bob____	oh
20:03	sfan5	might work for server tho'
20:03	bob____	i test and let you know if it do
20:03	sfan5	I one ran a server on my android phone with 800 MHz
20:03	sfan5	once*
20:03	SoniEx2	bob____, what are you trying to do run minetest on an iPad?
20:03	Krock	^possible
20:03	sfan5	SoniEx2: iPads don't run linux
20:03	Taoki	BTW: Boats were added in minetest_next / minetest_game now. Why not the minecarts mod?
20:03	bob____	i use my linux computer and use my test cloud to work
20:04	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/u9EoCL21WFBh.png (mmmm this looks good now)
20:04	bob____	test cloud for the server
20:04	celeron55	where can i find default_glass_frame.png and default_obsidian_glass_frame.png?
20:04	Krock	Taoki, other question, why has "default:rail" not been removed yet?
20:04	celeron55	this combination of crap seems to want those, but not have those
20:04	Krock	onnected_textures ?
20:04	Krock	*connected_textures
20:04	Taoki	Krock: Why should they?
20:05	bob____	minetest have the android version will connect to my server?
20:05	sfan5	yes
20:05	Krock	bob____, howabout trying?
20:05	Calinou	they're in mods/default/textures of Carbone
20:05	bob____	i just want to know if it work :(
20:05	bob____	am i bothering?
20:05	Calinou	Krock, nope, it's in the default mod
20:05	bob____	should i leave?
20:06	Krock	Taoki, just so.
20:06	Krock	Calinou, okay. didn't know
20:06	Taoki	:P
20:06	SoniEx2	sfan5, if Nintendo Wiis can run linux, why can't iPads?
20:06	Krock	bob____, everything works if you do it correctly.
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20:06	LemonLake	because ipad = apple
20:06	LemonLake	and apple = dont give a shit
20:06	webdesigner97	Hello :)
20:06	* Krock	can run Windows 3.1 on a DOSBox on his android
20:06	Krock	hi webdesigner97
20:06	bob____	do u want me to leave the channel because i bother krock?
20:07	Calinou	<Krock> (doesn't mean, fast mapgens are bad)
20:07	Calinou	v6 is good and fast ;)
20:07	sfan5	SoniEx2: locked bootloader
20:07	asie	SoniEx2: Because Apple makes their own, propiertary CPUs, while the Wii had a ton of documentation from GameCube days?
20:07	asie	Also locked bootloader
20:07	sfan5	asie: the cpu is not the problem
20:07	asie	while Wiis are notorious for having over nine thousand bugs
20:07	asie	sfan5: It actually is.
20:08	asie	See: iDroid
20:08	SoniEx2	sfan5, I've seen ppl run Windows 8 on iPads
20:08	Krock	LemonLake, ever wondered why the apple has a bite taken?
20:08	sfan5	SoniEx2: fake
20:08	SmugLeaf	the A8 is still ARM
20:08	LemonLake	because they only took one bite
20:08	LemonLake	and they threw up
20:08	LemonLake	because its shit
20:08	celeron55	Calinou: join minetest.8dromeda.net and i'll throw you some privs
20:08	SmugLeaf	we can build for lowest common denominator ARM CPU
20:08	SmugLeaf	and it would run
20:08	SmugLeaf	but we need drivers for everything else
20:08	sfan5	asie: iDroid runs on many apple devices, they stopped developing because they no longer had devices that can run that
20:09	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9697 \| https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9698
20:09	Calinou	2 new texture packs up
20:09	asie	sfan5: no, actually; notice that most devices barely function
20:09	asie	the 2G and 3G were the only usable ones
20:09	asie	the 3GS and 4 lack docs
20:09	* Krock	is tired of cmake and manipulates src/version.cpp
20:09	bob____	i cant go on the server it tell me access denied
20:10	Krock	^wrong password?
20:10	* Jordach	sits there with his non-jailbroken iPod Touch 2g without issues
20:10	Calinou	server crashed when I joined
20:10	* sfan5	throws greenp0sion at Jordach
20:10	* Krock	gives Jordach jailbreak
20:10	* sfan5	just tried to encode video: https://mediacru.sh/0ajjaspz-jCn
20:10	celeron55	22:07:37: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ..../games/almost_carbone/mods/player_textures/init.lua:6: attempt to call field 'player_set_textures' (a nil value)
20:11	celeron55	nice incompatibility again
20:11	* celeron55	removes player_textures too
20:11	Calinou	yeah
20:11	Calinou	creatures is incompatible with most player mods
20:11	sfan5	>-crf 201
20:11	sfan5	oops
20:11	Calinou	celeron55, I finally pushed the frame texturesâ€¦ I realized I never added them to the repository
20:11	Calinou	I'll upload them directly so that you can put them
20:11	* Krock	points at missing default/player.lua file
20:12	Krock	s/file/functions
20:12	Calinou	default_glass_frame.png: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/hmdUrlG1cXq6.png
20:12	Calinou	default_obsidian_glass_frame.png: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/L4xh01XrB6Mw.png
20:12	Calinou	put in mods/default/textures
20:12	LemonLake	Testin sumin
20:13	bob____	how i bulid?
20:13	LemonLake	ri klik
20:13	SmugLeaf	very carefully
20:15	Krock	bob____, with hands ( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837 ) or with lazyness ( https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds/+packages )
20:15	LemonLake	yo
20:15	LemonLake	are we freenode.net?
20:15	Krock	chat.freenode.net here
20:15	LemonLake	i mean
20:15	Calinou	Taoki, loud sound upon join :(
20:15	LemonLake	well, thanks
20:15	bob____	what?
20:15	LemonLake	i meant is the domain of the server freenode.net
20:15	Calinou	please check your sound volumes, make them consistent with other mods
20:15	bob____	that how you place the block?
20:15	bob____	?
20:15	LemonLake	specificly, irc.freenode.net
20:16	Taoki	Calinou: In creatures mod? There shouldn't be any loud sounds when joining. Just a sound when posessing creatures, or maybe when you join the first time
20:16	Krock	bob____, lel. I thought you mean to build minetest. right click
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20:16	Taoki	Sound volume is ok here otherwise. Maybe your audio settings are a bit too high, or minetest.play_sound is acting up?
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20:16	bob____	thx
20:17	bob____	you trick me it crash!
20:17	LemonLake	obvious troll is obvious
20:17	Krock	^
20:18	bob____	you think i troll?
20:18	LemonLake	of course
20:18	bob____	because of my english?
20:18	LemonLake	did you come from the minetest reddit?
20:18	LemonLake	minecraft reddit*
20:18	bob____	racist
20:18	LemonLake	that's not racist
20:18	bob____	i from china!
20:18	bob____	>:
20:18	Krock	*I'm
20:18	LemonLake	^
20:18	Krock	* >:(
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20:18	* Krock	<3 troll trolls
20:18	Taoki	minecraft reddit is a country? :D
20:19	* webdesigner97	loves conversations with so much content :P
20:19	caer	Okay it didn't work
20:19	Krock	Taoki, sure. It's a monarchy
20:19	Taoki	And even if this is trolling, it's a harmless way at least
20:19	LemonLake	It is harmful
20:19	LemonLake	it harms my brain
20:19	Taoki	not the trolling i usually deal with
20:19	bob____	do you work for a company?
20:19	* Krock	gives webdesigner97 a <'(((-<
20:19	LemonLake	We all do
20:19	bob____	i want to talk to your supervisor then.
20:19	LemonLake	in a way, we work for google. We give them information about ourselves and other people.
20:19	Krock	BRAAIIIIINS i want BRAINNS
20:20	LemonLake	okay bob
20:20	LemonLake	ChanServ: bob____ told me to speak to you
20:20	LemonLake	idk about what tho
20:20	LemonLake	how's your day goin?
20:20	Taoki	I work for Mom's Basement INC
20:20	bob____	not good
20:20	LemonLake	not talking to you bob____
20:20	LemonLake	I'm talking to ChanServ
20:20	Krock	I works for Homemade Company GmBH
20:20	LemonLake	don't butt into people's conversations, it's rude. I want to speak to your supervisor
20:21	sfan5	bob____: I advise you to just ignore LemonLake and Krock
20:21	LemonLake	bob____: read what sfan5 said, is good idea.
20:21	Krock	annd sfan5
20:21	LemonLake	nahh sfan5 is safe
20:22	bob____	is your supervisor chanserv?
20:22	LemonLake	of course not
20:22	LemonLake	my supervisor is myself
20:22	LemonLake	self employed ^.^
20:22	bob____	you tell me you work for the company?
20:22	LemonLake	dude, I made the company
20:22	LemonLake	well, it's not much of a company
20:23	sfan5	bob____: I really advise you to just ignore LemonLake and Krock...
20:23	Calinou	Taoki, the sounds make this worse than Vore Tournament
20:23	Krock	bob____, you don't listen to sfan5
20:23	Calinou	your mod is just insanely strange
20:23	LemonLake	bob____: listen to sfan5
20:23	Calinou	I disabled sound to make it bearable
20:23	Taoki	Calinou: You probably have volume turned up really loud
20:23	LemonLake	Taoki: wouldn't he notice that all the other sounds are louder, tho?
20:23	Taoki	Sounds for me are ok and within reasonable parameters
20:24	bob____	anyway i can not play the game the thing crash everything and tell me not enough memory to send a port to a developer
20:24	Taoki	LemonLake: Minetest dioesn't typically have sounds, just footsteps and digging
20:24	LemonLake	and the sound of some dude dying a painful death
20:24	Taoki	Actually, I even decreased the sheep sound volume in Creatures. Cuz in SimpleMobs it would blow your ears off
20:24	Calinou	Taoki, no, other sounds sound just fine
20:24	Taoki	Otherwise, there are a few more mob sounds
20:24	sfan5	bob____: how did you try to start the game?
20:24	Jordach	BBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAA!
20:24	Calinou	(steps, respawn/damage/death sounds from Carbone)
20:24	sfan5	Jordach: you're a kitteen, not a sheep!
20:24	sfan5	-e
20:24	Calinou	Simple Mobs' sheep sound is insane, it obviously went away in Carbone
20:24	Taoki	Calinou: Ok. Maybe it's a matter of opinion then
20:24	LemonLake	sfan5: u wot
20:24	Calinou	since day 1 :P
20:24	bob____	i use menu and i connect to server then after crash
20:24	sfan5	LemonLake: u wot m8
20:25	LemonLake	sfan5: u bloody wot m8
20:25	sfan5	bob____: how much RAM do you have?
20:25	bob____	i check brb
20:25	Taoki	Calinou: I might consider adding a setting in Lua to disable mob sounds. Need to think about that
20:25	bob____	i check brb
20:26	Taoki	Calinou: What bothers you though? The volume of the sounds, or the way the sounds themselves (eg: not being of good quality)
20:26	Taoki	I actually agree the default idle sounds for monsters sound pretty lame, not to mention for people. I couldn't find better ones, and only added them because I wanted my mobs mod to be more lively
20:26	LemonLake	what disturbs me is that you need to terminate the irc process in order to check ram
20:26	LemonLake	but what do i know
20:26	Taoki	No sounds at all makes everything too boring and dead. That's one reason why MT games aren't of such good quality yet
20:26	sfan5	god f**king damnit
20:27	sfan5	I really want to update meowtest
20:27	sfan5	but look:
20:27	sfan5	!server meow
20:27	sfan5	ah, it was gone...
20:27	Taoki	meowtest?
20:27	sfan5	minetest.org:3001816/20 5/180.4.10-rc1, meowtest_game, v6Meowtest 0.4.10 SEGFAULTY0.4.10 test world, see sfan5 for questionsDed Dmg Pwd Far10.6h, 22.7h210, 100
20:27	sfan5	16 people
20:27	LemonLake	too many numbers for my brane
20:27	Krock	^
20:27	Taoki	What's meowtest_game?
20:27	LemonLake	im going to go that server on
20:28	Taoki	Is that an actual game? What's it about? Name makes it curious :P
20:28	sfan5	Taoki: minetest_game plus some mods
20:28	Taoki	ah, nice
20:28	Jordach	facepalm https://cdn.mediacru.sh/nHN770-RUV5v.png
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20:28	webdesigner97	Jordach: I like it!
20:28	bob___	the ram is 345mb
20:28	LemonLake	bob___: so how many rams do you have?
20:28	LemonLake	Jordach: that is nice
20:29	LemonLake	sfan5 your server is niceee
20:29	sfan5	LemonLake: ik, rite?
20:29	LemonLake	ãƒ‹ãƒ£ãƒ¼ :3
20:29	reactor	LemonLake: http://www.zaktool.com/products/ZT75-Ram2.jpg
20:29	reactor	Those?
20:29	sfan5	bob___: try upgrading to 512 or 768 MB
20:29	LemonLake	no
20:29	reactor	"many"
20:30	bob___	i put 512 mb in my slot already but computer say 345 :/
20:30	LemonLake	reactor: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Battering_ram.jpg
20:30	LemonLake	those ones
20:30	reactor	Woah!
20:30	LemonLake	bob___: blow into it like you would with a nes cartridge
20:30	bob___	that make it work?
20:30	Calinou	the AI of creature seem pretty buggy, Taoki
20:30	sfan5	bob___: we can't help you with that here :)
20:30	bob___	i try lemon tell me
20:31	reactor	Yeah bob___, you need those to break in the computer shop and get parts.
20:31	bob___	take it in?
20:31	sfan5	bob___: there might be dust on the RAM cartridge; try cleaning it
20:31	Taoki	Calinou: How so? What do you notice?
20:31	bob___	ok i try blow into it if it no work i tell you guy and take into shop like retor said
20:32	bob___	i go do it now
20:32	Taoki	I didn't find it to be buggy, but it is rather dumb... since I wish to retain the lightweightness of SimpleMobs
20:32	reactor	bob___: rub contacts with cotton soaked in pure alcohol.
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20:32	LemonLake	MinetestBot: omg like ãƒ‹ãƒ£ãƒ¼ <3
20:32	Taoki	eg: Allow Creatures to work on multiplayer servers without lagging everything to the ground, or using much server CPU for a lot of mobs
20:32	* sfan5	encoding HEVC; fps=4.4
20:32	sfan5	gg
20:32	* sfan5	waits
20:32	LemonLake	sfan5: enjoy server activity
20:32		BrandonReese joined #minetest
20:32	LemonLake	im going to weird it out now, k?
20:33	sfan5	nah
20:33	LemonLake	BrandonReese: omg like hi
20:33	Taoki	I even added more filters than SimpleMobs itself had! For example, creatures that attac don't have their AI running every server frame... it's limited to 0.1 seconds for most creatures
20:33	LemonLake	aww you're no fun
20:33	* sfan5	waves BrandonReese
20:33	Taoki	Humans should have it at 0.05 cuz they're defined as smarter (faster think speed)
20:33	Krock	^mostly
20:33	sfan5	fps=4.2
20:33	sfan5	look it got better
20:33	* sfan5	waits intensely
20:34	BrandonReese	hello
20:35	Calinou	Taoki, them moving excessively fast, trying to run away uselessly (hitting a wall)â€¦
20:35	Calinou	that's pretty bad user experience
20:35	LemonLake	bob___ is pretty gullible
20:35	LemonLake	too gullible for my likings, not sure I can live with that
20:35	Taoki	Calinou: That's because mobs run at the player's fast speed, defined by the server settings for physics
20:35	Calinou	<Taoki> I even added more filters than SimpleMobs itself had! For example, creatures that attac don't have their AI running every server frame... it's limited to 0.1 seconds for most creatures
20:35	Calinou	isn't a server frame 0.1 seconds already?
20:35	Taoki	That's intended, so mobs and players have the same speeds per creature
20:35	Taoki	Ah, lol... possibly
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20:36	sfan5	!server meow
20:36	MinetestBot	sfan5: Meowtest 0.4.10 SEGFAULTY \| minetest.org:30018 \| Clients: 18/20, 0/18 \| Version: 0.4.10-rc1 / meowtest_game \| Ping: 132ms
20:36	sfan5	even more people
20:36	webdesigner97	ok, I'm off! See you :)
20:36	Taoki	Calinou: Either way, use a lower run speed for the server, or maybe for Carbone as a whole. The existing fast speed for players is rather fast itself... eg: Not realistically the running speed of a normal person
20:36	LemonLake	sfan5: it would've been 19 if I didn't ragequit
20:36	* sfan5	meows at LemonLake
20:36	LemonLake	there was a ghost thing and it made me poo my pants
20:36	* Krock	downloads classic TP
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20:37	Calinou	it's intended, fast is supposed to be used for testing and admin
20:37	Jordach	hello ecutruin
20:37	Taoki	But Creatures will not change that. Mobs must always walk at the player's walk speed, and run ant the player's fast speed. They also have the same gravity and jump speed as the player.
20:37	Calinou	minetest_game's walking speed is very slow, 4 nodes/s only, Carbone is 4.8 nodes/s, feels a bit slow sometimes, but mostly better
20:37	ecutruin	Yeah.. tooth pain is keeping me awake.. this isn't good.
20:37	Taoki	Since the exact idea is to make mobs and players nearly identical. And both behaving / working the same way, as the settings of their creature defines
20:37	Calinou	mobs running at the same speeds is unrealistic and feels bad; hardly can avoid attacks
20:38	Calinou	Krock, :D
20:38	Taoki	Mobs don't need to feel like they're something else. They're simply creatures played by an AI when a player isn't there to play them. But I want them to have the same abilities
20:38	Calinou	it seems to look like the pack Minetest-classic uses, but that's a coincidence
20:38	Calinou	I called it â€œclassicâ€ because â€œoldpackâ€ was already used by the old Minetest pack
20:38	Taoki	ok. It's not something I'm going to change though, since it's part of the basic idea behind Creatures itself
20:39	Taoki	Later on, I'm even considering a module that adds a chatbot, so players can chat with mobs. It's still just an idea though
20:39	Taoki	Intelligent mobs that is
20:40	Taoki	Mobs might also have their own homes... when I combine this mod with some sort of village generator
20:40	Calinou	heh
20:40	Taoki	And names. They already have personalities BTW, random per individual
20:40	Taoki	yeah, big plans lol
20:42	BlockMen	Calinou, wtf?! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9697
20:43	BlockMen	furthermore, the license is here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/README.txt
20:43	Calinou	thanks; you can report such things without saying â€œwtf?!â€ next time
20:44	BlockMen	furthermore is the report
20:44	BlockMen	wtf was ment to the topic at all
20:44	* BlockMen	doesnt get the sense of this tp
20:45	Calinou	â€œThis lets you use the textures found in minetest_game in any game, on any server.â€
20:45	Calinou	I'll write it in large text :)
20:45	BlockMen	especially because it just includes the default textures, not of the other mods of _game
20:45	Calinou	it's probably enough to enforce default texture usage
20:46	BlockMen	that makes no sense at all
20:46	Taoki	Calinou: Normally, I'd think that's April fools ;) Since the idea didn't initially make sense. I understand what it means now though... probably renaming textures so they work with nodes in other games
20:46	Calinou	use cases are where you play another game (eg. Carbone), or when you connect to a server which uses its own textures
20:46	Calinou	no, it's not compatibility stuff
20:46	Taoki	Yeah, so I understood right
20:46	Taoki	yes, sorry
20:46	Calinou	it's like Carbone Textures, but with the default textures
20:46	BlockMen	so carbone does not have farming?!
20:47	Calinou	it does, but I have yet to see a game using substantially different textures than the defaults in farming
20:47	* Krock	hides
20:47	Calinou	it's not like these nodes are too common
20:47	Calinou	as long as the main blocks of the game are coveredâ€¦
20:48	BlockMen	well, if you think you have to provide the textures of _game, then do it right
20:48	BlockMen	providing just the half is wrong
20:51	LemonLake	sfan5: what do you think? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/m9joMgHpNHsb.png
20:51	LemonLake	finally got nagisa's eyes done, they were the hardest eyes to make
20:52	sfan5	LemonLake: what I _think_? I think "omg that person can draw, I can't"
20:53	LemonLake	you keep thinking that
20:53	sfan5	I do
20:53	LemonLake	but it's nothing to get worked up about
20:53	LemonLake	you can always learn to draw
20:53	sfan5	it is
20:53	sfan5	>can
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20:58	bob___	i did what you say
20:59	LemonLake	hi bob___ , how are you/
20:59	bob___	now only one work >:o
20:59	bob___	now it tell me i only have 125 mb!
20:59	LemonLake	did you put all 3 of them in
21:00	LemonLake	i've never known of 125 and 345 mb ram cards, do they exist?
21:03	Megaf	Hi everyone, I don't get why some people say to use make -j (number of threads) +1 to compile something, acording to my tests ( https://mediacru.sh/t5pIQ9c30btF ) is better to use the actual number of cores.
21:03	LemonLake	that's nice
21:04	LemonLake	but make -j 4 is for hipsters
21:04	celeron55	that's what i always do (but twice the number of actual cores if HT)
21:05	celeron55	it makes better use of cpu caches and doesn't risk running out of RAM so easily
21:05	Megaf	yep, you should always use the number of threads your CPU can run at the same time as number of jobs for make
21:06	LemonLake	so what knob made up that +1 is better>
21:07	celeron55	it was better back in the day when cpus had a single core and hard drives were painfully slow
21:08	celeron55	(maybe)
21:08	celeron55	and compilers didn't use as much memory
21:09	Calinou	that's what I do, Megaf
21:09	Calinou	the (number of threads) + 1 thing is silly to me
21:09	Calinou	it's not any faster here
21:10	Megaf	celeron55; yep, the only reason I see to use a higher number is maybe because a really slow drive
21:10	Megaf	I did my tests on a RAM drive, the ideal is to test what I said, number of jobs vs cpu cores
21:10	Megaf	not number of jobs vs disk...
21:11	Megaf	Calinou; I believe it might be faster on an old single core slow disk computer, as c55 said
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21:49	sapier	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=9389 those of you waiting for android mips build, I just added a inofficial 0.4.10 build for mips
21:49	sapier	inofficial because I had to fix sqlite3 for mips to work at all
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22:19	celeron55	creatures is the weirdest thing
22:20	paramat	good
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22:21	paramat	i love the concept
22:21	celeron55	i can't even tell if this is balanced or not
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22:21	celeron55	probably not
22:23	Taoki	celeron55: Depends what you mean by balanced. The default creatures might not be yet that good and balanced, yeah
22:23	celeron55	i think i'm not going to list this server publicly at least yet; it will be nevertheless running on minetest.8dromeda.net and i will swap interesting mods in and out of it when i see suitable ones
22:23	Taoki	nice. A server with creatures mod?
22:24	WindHero	I'll have to take a look sometime
22:24	Taoki	I'm wanting to try it out publicly to see how it works
22:24	celeron55	i tried to include some map generation mods but this VPS doesn't have enough resources so i have to leave them out
22:24	Taoki	celeron55: If it has creatures, can I get server URL please?
22:25	paramat	threaded lua mapgen is going to help so many things
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22:25	celeron55	not in memory consumption
22:25	celeron55	it's going to get worse
22:26	WindHero	on that note, it is worth mentioning that someone (Zeno`) tried running CaveRealms on a server and had his character travel to the end of the world from the center without running out of memory
22:27	celeron55	Taoki: i already said it; minetest.8dromeda.net
22:27	Taoki	But yes... the default races will need to be balanced better. I mostly focused on getting the AI to work properly for now, and making sure all other bugs are gone. It's currently as balanced as SimpleMobs
22:27	Taoki	Ah, sorry. Will note it down and check
22:29	WindHero	It has just dawned on me how broken the combo of technic nodedrops and bettertnt is
22:29	WindHero	I must have some 20,000 cobble now
22:30	WindHero	I'm on the verge of making a 16 or so furnace pipeworks stonebrick generator
22:30	Taoki	celeron55: The server doesn't seem to have the textured formspecs BTW. The inventory formspec might look weird
22:31	celeron55	well it's glitchy due to how carbone hilights some inventory slots
22:31	celeron55	don't mind that 8)
22:32	Taoki	oh, it's carbone? cool
22:33	celeron55	it's carbone without carbone's mobs or armor or item wield things
22:33	celeron55	(because those interfere with creatures)
22:33	paramat	RealBadAngel, with smooth lighting off EW faces are darker than NS, please could that be swapped to match smooth lighting on?
22:34	Taoki	Also noticed the first obvious problem: Mobs can run, but players don't have run privilege by default
22:34	Taoki	Need to find a way to fix that
22:35	RealBadAngel	paramat, same but different value for those pairs is intended
22:36	paramat	ok good
22:36	RealBadAngel	but that should look the same no matter smooth on/off and shaders
22:36	RealBadAngel	its applied only in one place
22:37	RealBadAngel	anyway, it wont be needed soon
22:37	* paramat	prefers the look of no smooth lighting, crisper and more 3D
22:38	telek1	Are there any
22:38	* paramat	has all settings off except particles
22:39	telek1	'shore' blocks yet? Now that there is a water shader to make 'waves', it'd be really handy to have 'shore' blocks you could walk up (if the water is at it's lowest point in the 'wave' it seems to make it difficult to jump out.)
22:40	Taoki	Does the label element on formspecs support multiple lines now? So no matter how long a text is, it doesn't cut out
22:40	RealBadAngel	paramat, http://i.imgur.com/T8wf2tp.png
22:40	RealBadAngel	i think that looks a bit better, does it?
22:41	WindHero	trippy
22:41	BlockMen	RealBadAngel, very nice!
22:41	RealBadAngel	thats hardware lighting
22:41	RealBadAngel	waypoint shows where the sun is
22:42	RealBadAngel	a tiny one, but still the sun :)
22:42	BlockMen	more light bulb then sun ;)
22:42	BlockMen	*than
22:42	WindHero	naw, at least a floodlight
22:43	paramat	good to see this RBA
22:43	Taoki	Huh... so Carbone doesn't use mgv7? I didn't know snow biomes are possible on others
22:44	BlockMen	^ never tried mtÃ¼
22:44	BlockMen	*MT+
22:45	WindHero	sure they are, just have to mod them in
22:45	paramat	RealBadAngel, how possible is it to create a lightweight hardware lighting that works at the resolution of nodes / is simplified
22:46	RealBadAngel	you can define affect radius for each light source
22:46	RealBadAngel	this "bulb" has radius of 200 nodes
22:46	* BlockMen	wonders why nearly noone knows/tested MT+
22:46	paramat	how about working with only, say, 128 light levels for simplicity
22:47	telek1	So mg_flags can be defined in either minetest.conf or map_meta.txt?
22:48	BlockMen	well, then a big bulb :)
22:48	paramat	fancy hardware lighting is going to be good, how about a 2nd lightweight, low res, simple one
22:48	BlockMen	telek1, in conf will aplly to every world while in map_meta does only for that worlds
22:48	RealBadAngel	http://i.imgur.com/b3usu4B.png
22:48	RealBadAngel	this light source is 10 times smaller
22:49	telek1	BlockMen: map_meta.txt will cause it to ignore the minetest.conf settings, right?
22:49	telek1	Another question: mg_name is set to singlenode, is it possible to overlap multiple mapgens in a single world?
22:50	BlockMen	telek1, IIRC yes
22:50	BlockMen	and idk
22:50	telek1	Hrmm.
22:50	BlockMen	but i dont think so
22:51	WindHero	you cannot, afaik
22:51	BlockMen	or do you mean using them one by one?
22:51	BlockMen	so first v6 and then switch to v7?
22:51	WindHero	https://mediacru.sh/6ogLXyumpfov
22:51	WindHero	At a crossroads: 12 or 24 furances?
22:52	WindHero	*furnaces
22:52	Taoki	Does the label element on formspecs support multiple lines now? So no matter how long a text is, it doesn't cut out
22:52	telek1	WindHero: Thanks, and bummer.
22:52	BlockMen	^ outdated minetest_game spotted
22:52	WindHero	yup
22:52	WindHero	playing on my friend's private server
22:52	WindHero	he'll probably be updating it to 0.4.10 later today or tomorrow
22:53	WindHero	which will then have MT NeXt :3
22:53	paramat	looks good RBA
22:53	BlockMen	:)
22:54	WindHero	which is quite nice, btw
22:54	WindHero	I really gotta get back to developing skytest
22:54	telek1	BlockMen: v6 to v7 I'm pretty sure you could do, given that I started this world on v5 :)
22:54	WindHero	I wonder if I should rename it MineCrad, lol
22:55	telek1	Wait, maybe v2
22:55	telek1	It was prior to the 3d noise work coming in.
22:56	BlockMen	telek1, yes. that could work if you use a game that supports v7 and if you can accept a broken world (visually broken)
22:56	BlockMen	WindHero, crad? why crad?
22:56	telek1	BlockMen: Only until somebody in-game fixes it.
22:56	WindHero	As a pun on Sword Art Online
22:56	WindHero	Aincrad > Minecrad
22:57	telek1	WindHero: Gah, SAO is so 'new' and post-cyberspace :D
22:57	telek1	Erm post-cyberpunk
22:57	BlockMen	ah
22:57	WindHero	the world SAO's MMORPG was set in a giant flying castle with 100 floors of dungeon
22:57	telek1	On the other hand it's got mass murder by microwaving players brains. Gives a whole new meaning to '1 life gaming' :)
22:59	WindHero	rofl
23:00	WindHero	On that note, I found the pilot of SAO II somewhat lacking...
23:00	BlockMen	RealBadAngel, the second looks nearly like a campfire :)
23:00	WindHero	mainly because they didn't even start playing Gun Gale Online yet in the first episode
23:01	telek1	WindHero: Go read the fanlation of the light novel. They're one or two worlds ahead of SAO Season II
23:01	WindHero	What I really want to read is Accel World
23:01	WindHero	I saw the anime, but there's no news of a second season
23:01	telek1	They have that too, but it's not nearly as far along as the SAO stuff.
23:01	telek1	WindHero: Because they'd caught up to the light novel.
23:02	WindHero	I'll make a bet Kuroyukihime's real name is Kirigaya Yui ;)
23:04	telek1	I read it at some point, but I kinda don't think it was.
23:05	WindHero	I don't think they've revealed it
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23:05	telek1	Are most of the current mapgen mods reliant on v6 behavior?
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23:06	WindHero	it all depends
23:07	WindHero	some like splizard's snow biomes or paramat's paragenv7 rely on mgv7
23:07	WindHero	whereas there are plenty of mods that can work with both v7 and v6
23:07	WindHero	or some even require singlenode
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23:44	telek1	WindHero: nods

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