IRC log for #minetest, 2014-07-06

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00:28	Jordach	there, committed more stuff
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00:30	Jordach	,tell ecutruin https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/commit/2881880e62aacf22e3ffb084ceffe95fefa1190b enjoy your new GUIs
00:30	Jordach	!tell ecutruin https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/commit/2881880e62aacf22e3ffb084ceffe95fefa1190b enjoy your new GUIs
00:30	MinetestBot	Jordach: I'll pass that on when ecutruin is around
00:30	Jordach	FAIL!"
00:30	Jordach	ShadowBot ain't here :3
00:31	Jordach	WindHero, poke :P
00:31	* WindHero	pokes back
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01:24	telek	What's the easiest way to find out an unknown block's refname?
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02:14	telek	Anybody unidle?
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02:22	JesseH	Hi guys. Going to give minetest another try. Haven't tried it in a while.
02:23	FreeFull	Have fun JesseH
02:23	JesseH	Thanks
02:23	telek	JesseH: It's much improved, although it's lost some (admittedly minor) features along the way :)
02:24	JesseH	I like to announce these sort of things. I'm so social.
02:25	JesseH	That's good to know, telek.
02:25	telek	>.<
02:25	JesseH	Wasn't being sarcastic. :P
02:25	telek	Not that :d
02:26	JesseH	Just checking.
02:26	telek	How should I go about merging two mods both named 'plants' so the nods from both will show up.
02:26	telek	*nodes
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02:29	thefamilygrog66	howdy folks
02:29	telek	What mod are the old vines in now?
02:31	thefamilygrog66	moreblocks?
02:32	telek	Looks like bas080's vines mod
02:33	telek	So to replace the old nature mod, you need stuff that's now in flowers, plantlife_mod, and vines?
02:33	telek	Not including if you want to keep irontrees.
02:34	JesseH	Isn't there a list of servers somewhere?
02:35	thefamilygrog66	JesseH: servers.minetest.net
02:35	JesseH	Thank you
02:35	thefamilygrog66	yw
02:35	hummeleBop	Can we use another scripting language in minetest?
02:35	thefamilygrog66	New version to be released tomorrow, just in time for my birthday - nice.
02:36	telek	C++ now, if somebody wrote a plugin for it, I believe you could support other languages.
02:36	telek	*Lua and C++
02:36	thefamilygrog66	lua is dirt simple to learn
02:36	hummeleBop	Sure, but v8 or spidermonkey will be nice too
02:36	JesseH	hummeleBop, yes
02:37	JesseH	Ill look into that in a bit for educational purposes, but I personally love Lua. :P
02:38	hummeleBop	and spidermonkey is not easy to embed
02:38	telek	And v8 is full of security holes :D
02:38	telek	Not that lua couldn't.
02:38	hummeleBop	Okay, so is there a way to make a C++ mod ?
02:41	telek	Do you know how to program in C++?
02:42	hummeleBop	Yes and you ?
02:43	hummeleBop	I am working on a C++ DirectDraw application on mswindows right now
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02:45	VanessaE	at the moment, no Minetest does not and will not support other scripting languages other than Lua, but extending the C++/Lua modding API is of course doable if you find that there's something you wanna do that Lua's too slow for
02:47	telek	So the C++ API isn't feature complete compared to the lua one Vanessa?
02:47	VanessaE	telek: there is no official C++ modding API at all
02:47	VanessaE	it's meant to be done in Lua
02:48	VanessaE	though there are ways to hook into C++ from a mod, see how the IRC mod does it
02:49	telek	Also: I've got a cotton_8 node. Should I just alias it to cotton_1 or cotton_2 from the farming mod?
02:50	JesseH	Can someone point me to a server with active helpful users? :P
02:51	emerge	what do you mean by helpful users?
02:51	JesseH	What?
02:51	JesseH	Okay, like. Helpful means, users are quick to assist you
02:51	JesseH	If you ask
02:51	emerge	assist in what?
02:52	JesseH	Answering questions
02:52	emerge	what questions?
02:52	JesseH	emerge, What server do you play on?
02:53	emerge	I play in singleplayer.
02:53	JesseH	Right, well I'm just trying to find a server with nice people. :P
02:53	emerge	:)
02:54	emerge	There should be some nice people on any server. Look here for a server list -- http://servers.minetest.net/
02:55	JesseH	Right
02:55	JesseH	telek, Do you play on a server?
02:56	telek	JesseH: Not in like a year. I'm currently busy trying to find the modpacks to make all my unknown blocks go away :)
02:57	JesseH	Ah okay. :P
02:57	emerge	Imho, the better server would be with registration, rollback, small lag and a little of mods.
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03:07	telek	minetest.register_alias("available node","old node name")?
03:10	emerge	minetest.register_alias("mapgen_stone", "default:stone")
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03:11	emerge	Afaik, it wont replace node. It will make a link from name to node_name.
03:12	emerge	minetest.register_alias(name, node_name)
03:29	telek	emerge: Ahh okay
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03:38	telek	emerge: minetest.register_alias(cotton_8,farming:cotton)?
03:38	telek	or minetest.register_alias(farming:cotton,cotton_8)?
03:45	VanessaE	I believe the available node goes second, and both node names have to be in quotes
03:45	VanessaE	and you shouldn't need to alias cotton
03:45	VanessaE	farming is part of minetest_game
03:46	VanessaE	minetest.register_alias("foo:obsolete_node", "bar:my_defined_node")
03:48	telek	VanessaE: Ahh thanks, looks like I had an old version of farming in my worldmods path
03:48	telek	Are there any tools for auditing your db/worldmods dir for incompatible mods?
03:49	VanessaE	not exactly but the log will tell you if there are name conflicts
03:49	VanessaE	the easiest way is to just look in minetest_game/mods and compare what's there to your worldmods and ~/.minetest/mods and see if anything matches.  whatever matches, delete from worldmods or ~/.minetest/mods
03:50	telek	Is farming_plus still needed?
03:50	VanessaE	not "needed" but imho it is recommended.
03:50	VanessaE	bbl. bedtime
03:50	telek	My version complains about farming not being available.
03:50	* telek	waves.
03:53	telek	It's complaining on 'farming.registered_plants={}' in farming_plus from march 3 of 2014?
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04:07	telek	Hey, is there any way to fix 3d signs that didn't 'place' properly from their 2d versions without removing and replacing them?
04:10	telek	I've got a bunch of 'floating signs' that didn't stick to the solid node adjacent to them.
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04:32	telek	What does 'attempt to index global 'farming' (a nil value)' mean?
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04:33	telek	Farming is available via minetest_game, it's in farming_plus's depends.txt file, but it doesn't seem to work :l
04:33	emerge	telek, disable them
04:34	telek	emerge: disable them?
04:34	emerge	3d signs
04:35	emerge	telek, about farming, probably you had a different one.
04:37	emerge	So, I don't think it is reasonable to remove custom modes that have the same name as modes in game.
04:38	telek	emerge: I had PilzAdam's old farming mod. isn't the new one in minetest_game based on it?
04:39	telek	And the farming_plus one seems to work fine if there's a farming mod in the mods dir, but breaks if it's supposed to work on the global one.
04:40	telek	It's using some farming.registered_plants = {} array on the first line that seems to be what chokes on it, but it's not defined in either farming mod?
04:40	telek	emerge: regarding disabling the 3d signs: I assume that's in Vanessa's homedecor mod?
04:43	emerge	yep
04:43	emerge	and farmings are non fully compatible
04:45	telek	Ugh :l
04:47	emerge	this is thing about modes
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04:47	emerge	if you not sure that you want to update them, don't update them :)
04:48	telek	emerge: That only works when they're stable
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04:48	telek	A number of the mods I had installed predated 0.4 and thus got split up, added into minetest_game, etc.
04:48	emerge	hm, I consider a mod stable if it don't crash minetest
04:49	telek	The only one that pissed me off worse was removing the rats without a mod already available to add them back in :l
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04:49	emerge	You don't have to upgrade.
04:53	telek	emerge: Depends on the mods.
04:53	emerge	I mean the whole thing.
04:54	telek	Given the featureset from the last version of minetest I was running: yes, yes I do :)
04:54	emerge	:)
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04:55	telek	It's just be nice if mods were a little more compatible given that it's been like a year :D
04:55	emerge	It's life.
04:56	kahrl	telek: how can a mod predate 0.4? :3
04:59	kaeza	magic
04:59	emerge	astral_lib
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05:04	telek	kahrl: Maybe early 0.4 then. Point is there was a lot've breakage both in the minetest apis and the mods between then and now, so telling people 'just use your old mods' doesn't really hold true.
05:25	telek	Okay, wtf. If I move the farming mod from minetest_game to worldmods, it works for farming_plus. Any thoughts?
05:30	RealBadAngel	telek, engine evolves, so mods too
05:31	RealBadAngel	theres no way to have mod once done and being compatible forever
05:31	hmmmm	RealBadAngel, are you really trying to make each node an irrlicht scene node?
05:31	hmmmm	do you realize how much bloat that would create???
05:32	RealBadAngel	hmmm, im not quite sure
05:32	RealBadAngel	i read lotsa code about that
05:32	hmmmm	while it can technically be done, i doubt it'd be very efficient at all
05:33	hmmmm	any benefit would be killed by the sheer overhead
05:33	RealBadAngel	im aware of that
05:34	RealBadAngel	theres complete code out there
05:34	RealBadAngel	for irrrlicht, called MeshCombiner
05:34	RealBadAngel	seems to be a bit more advanced than our approach
05:35	hmmmm	is it any faster than the mesh maker?
05:35	RealBadAngel	examples claims that it is fast
05:36	telek	RealBadAngel: Depends on the design. If API versioning had been added for mods, it would've at least made things clearer.
05:36	RealBadAngel	telek, whole 0.4 tree is about API
05:36	RealBadAngel	and it is not complete yet
05:38	telek	RealBadAngel: Ahh. Well on the bright side the DB format has stayed compatible :) If the nodes weren't such a mess from all the mod shuffling I'd probably be a bit less grumpy :)
05:38	RealBadAngel	hmmm, they use the MeshCombiner for evertythin, including moving objects
05:38	RealBadAngel	telek, nodes? you have something mistaken then
05:39	RealBadAngel	mt is not about nodes at all, games built on top of it can define nodes at will
05:40	RealBadAngel	engine provides ways to define what you need
05:40	RealBadAngel	and actual games for the engine are responsible for the content
05:40	telek	RealBadAngel: Isn't that what blocks are called?
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05:41	RealBadAngel	telek, engine allows you to define a node
05:41	RealBadAngel	but doesnt define anything
05:41	telek	RealBadAngel: And I keep ending up with piles of unknowns because of mods deprecating them, or moving them around, etc.
05:41	RealBadAngel	so wheres the mess youre talkin about?
05:42	RealBadAngel	so blame modders
05:42	RealBadAngel	not the engine
05:47	telek	RealBadAngel: Are lua variables segregated depending on if they're part of the 'core' mods or part of the mods/worldmods directories?
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05:48	RealBadAngel	core mods you can find in /builtin directory
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05:49	RealBadAngel	and about the question you actually asked, variables segregated?
05:49	RealBadAngel	maybe you mean how to check, from where mod was loaded?
05:52	telek	RealBadAngel: Sorry, not. farming_plus was giving me trouble earlier about not finding the farming mod (even though it was properly populating nodes from it in the gameworld), however if I copied the farming mod directory from minetest_game/mods to worldmods, it would find it and load farming_plus properly (accessing farming.<blah> for whatever it's using it  for.)
05:52	telek	not/no
05:55	RealBadAngel	theres a simple mechanism for mods, that can be used, to expose them to other mods
05:55	RealBadAngel	no matter how and where they were put
05:55	RealBadAngel	its called namespace
05:56	RealBadAngel	for example unified inventory uses name space unified_inventory.
05:56	RealBadAngel	if you want to call some methods of it, just check this namespace
05:57	telek	by just calling it 'ie farming.blah'?
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05:57	telek	Because that wasn't working, and world.mt had minetest_game set as its base.
05:57	RealBadAngel	if farming mod defined its own namespace, and made methods public, yes
05:57	telek	Does it currently?
05:57	RealBadAngel	idk
05:58	RealBadAngel	if not that theres possible reason to make it do so
05:58	telek	And if it doesn't, shouldn't it not work from either worldmods OR minetest_game?
05:58	RealBadAngel	that doesnt really matter from where it was loaded
05:59	telek	I'll have to dig further, but in my case it appeared that it did.
05:59	RealBadAngel	than its badly coded
06:00	sfan5	^
06:00	telek	placed in worldmods farming_plus could access farming, but only using the namespace from minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/farming farming_plus couldn't access the farming namespace.
06:00	RealBadAngel	telek, you could play with dependencies
06:00	telek	So is the problem in the farming_plus mod, or in the farming mod? If it is in the latter, how did that get allowed into the core mods?
06:01	RealBadAngel	and making the requirements to be loaded before
06:01	telek	depends.txt already has default,farming,and intllib? as dependencies.
06:02	RealBadAngel	telek, who told you that a mod is 100% perfect?
06:02	RealBadAngel	i havent seen such code yet
06:02	RealBadAngel	and i do code for more than 25yrs already
06:04	telek	RealBadAngel: I wasn't saying perfect, I was asking which mod was likely the cause of the issue. Given that one is in the 'official' mods, you'd assume it would be made to conform to the scripting standards set for for the project, would you not?
06:04	RealBadAngel	if you find a piece of code not working as you would expect, you have two solutions:
06:04	telek	*set forth
06:05	sfan5	telek: the problem is likely the farming_plus mod
06:05	RealBadAngel	open and issue describing whats wrong, as detailed as possible
06:05	RealBadAngel	for others to make something about it
06:05	RealBadAngel	or the 2nd, just fix it
06:05	RealBadAngel	and make the fix public
06:06	RealBadAngel	but still, you cant blame the engine for mod behaviour
06:07	RealBadAngel	well, not always, but usually ;)
06:07	telek	No, but you could complain about it not giving sensible output for WHY it's breaking. 'some value is nil' is a bit different from 'namespace blah is undefined' or 'you do not have access to blah namespace'
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06:08	RealBadAngel	thats core authors fault if mods author havent defined a namespace?
06:08	RealBadAngel	oh cmon
06:08	telek	And yeah I would 'just fix it' except I haven't the foggiest what it's doing the arrays off the farming mod for.
06:09	telek	RealBadAngel: You mean a 'seperate namespace'?
06:09	telek	Or do you mean there's a 'using namespace <blah>' equiv in lua?
06:09	RealBadAngel	hold on a sec
06:10	RealBadAngel	https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/technic/init.lua#L5
06:10	RealBadAngel	thats a definition of a namespace
06:11	RealBadAngel	and thats sample function aviable in this namespace
06:11	RealBadAngel	https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/technic/helpers.lua#L42
06:11	RealBadAngel	so all mods can use it
06:12	RealBadAngel	and it doesnt matter from where technic got loaded
06:13	RealBadAngel	btw, that function i show you is the way to check the namespace for function
06:13	RealBadAngel	if it exists
06:14	telek	Which one, the one in helpers.lua?
06:14	RealBadAngel	yes
06:14	RealBadAngel	it checks all the elements of namespace if theyre not nil
06:15	RealBadAngel	and last one for function
06:16	RealBadAngel	please note that functions that mods doesnt want to expose should be made local
06:16	RealBadAngel	if theyre supposed to be an API part, they have to be put in mods namespace, and be global
06:17	RealBadAngel	https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/technic/helpers.lua#L30
06:17	RealBadAngel	this is local function that technic uses
06:17	RealBadAngel	this is global, part of technic API:
06:17	RealBadAngel	https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/technic/helpers.lua#L42
06:18	telek	Where are function_exists and resolve_name actually called?
06:18	telek	Is that some lua-internal feature? minetest internal, other?
06:18	RealBadAngel	you can call them, in your mods
06:19	RealBadAngel	to use them you will have to add dep on technic
06:20	RealBadAngel	that would be somehow stupid to add dep on such heavy mod to use such simple function
06:20	RealBadAngel	but still, it shows how it should be done
06:21	* telek	nods.
06:22	RealBadAngel	back to the farming or whatever
06:22	RealBadAngel	if such mod would expose namespace
06:22	RealBadAngel	farming_plus for example
06:22	RealBadAngel	simple check if such table exists would inform your mod if its here
06:23	RealBadAngel	then you could check for a function defined within this namespace
06:23	RealBadAngel	if also not nil, then use it
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06:24	RealBadAngel	for example:  farming_plus.placeSapling(pos, placer)
06:25	RealBadAngel	example out of head, not the actual code
06:25	RealBadAngel	you should check if some mod defined farming_plus table (namespace)
06:25	RealBadAngel	and if placeSapling within this namespace is a function
06:26	RealBadAngel	before you attempt to use it
06:27	RealBadAngel	but still, farming_plus mod creator should code that for you
06:27	hoodedice	Ohai people
06:27	hoodedice	Tuned in for the 0.4.10 release
06:27	hoodedice	Anything special I can do as a broadcast member?
06:27	telek	RealBadAngel: Have a good link regarding how to check if a table exists in lua?
06:28	telek	Because the opening line in farming_plus is farming.register_plants={}
06:29	RealBadAngel	it doesnt look like a proper namespace
06:29	RealBadAngel	just a table exposed
06:30	RealBadAngel	if farming AND farming.register_plants then
06:30	RealBadAngel	that will check if that table exists
06:30	telek	Ahh okay.
06:31	telek	So is that an old version of farming_plus, or something?
06:31	RealBadAngel	idk, im not an author of it
06:32	hoodedice	RBA, are we looking at a release in the next 24 hours? Or will it take more time?
06:33	RealBadAngel	hoodedice, i think that nothing has changed, stable should be released as planned
06:34	hoodedice	Highlights of new release written in wiki changelog?
06:34	RealBadAngel	i plan to merge one fix before, but nothing serious
06:34	hoodedice	If not, I will be most happy to go through the git commits and edit the wiki myself
06:35	RealBadAngel	i suggest that you wait with that till the day ends
06:35	RealBadAngel	shit may happen ;)
06:35	hoodedice	XD
06:47	hoodedice	LuaJIT is unstable?
06:48	RealBadAngel	?
06:49	hoodedice	http://wiki.minetest.net/Troubleshooting#LuaJIT_not_Threadsafe
06:49	hoodedice	Also, is it possible to cheat via server side?
06:49	RealBadAngel	i dont have any problems with luajit
06:49	telek	hoodedice: By it's definition, yes :)
06:50	RealBadAngel	installed it like half a yr ago and it just works
06:50	hoodedice	Works for me too
06:50	telek	hoodedice: If there's a server, or peer to peer clients there's always the potential for cheating.
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06:50	hoodedice	thanks tel, RBA
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06:51	RealBadAngel	hoodedice, i could imagine mods installed server side to allow cheating
06:51	RealBadAngel	all the admin mods are kind of cheats
06:52	RealBadAngel	they grant admins rights not aviable to others
06:53	RealBadAngel	now just let such mod grant some rights to user called "LittleJohn" just and you have server side cheat
06:53	telek	Regardless physical or virtual control of the server allows cheats of some form, whether an admin actually does or not is another matter entirely.
06:54	RealBadAngel	telek, but anyway, server owner has to install such mods
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06:56	hoodedice	Wiki does not have a {{citation needed}} template haha
06:57	telek	RealBadAngel: Or just use a text editor on the player files, depending on what level of cheating you're talking about :)
06:57	telek	Is there actually a mod for letting the legacy rats spawn/catch/release?
06:58	RealBadAngel	i saw one
06:59	telek	I can't find any mention of it. There's the legacy stuff in minetest_game but that only makes the items visible, it doesn't actually allow using the old ones.
06:59	RealBadAngel	atm, the best mobs mod out there, are the Creatures, by MirceaKitsune
06:59	telek	Already installed.
06:59	telek	But the old 2d rats had a special place on my server, since one of the players decided they could be used as currency.
06:59	RealBadAngel	its fucking fun, to hunt down a man to get his abilities to build a shack
07:00	telek	We were rather miffed when all the rats we had pooled in the gameworld despawned when they were removed from the game :(
07:00	telek	RealBadAngel: NPC?
07:01	RealBadAngel	you have to posses man, an npc player to get full abilities
07:01	FreeFull	I remember a fenced area with lots of rats on c55's server
07:01	RealBadAngel	and thats not easy
07:02	hoodedice	is Creatures based on stu's NPC mod?
07:02	RealBadAngel	dont think so
07:02	telek	FreeFull: We had one inside. Doubled as a bank and food service place :)
07:03	FreeFull	Once despawned the rats are probably gone, I suspect, unless you have a version of the map saved from before that
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07:03	telek	Wonder how hard it'd be to modify the new rat animals so you can a chance of catching them instead of killing them with your fist, for those times when you don't have a net :D
07:03	telek	FreeFull: They were from the map, but any you still had in your inventory stayed.
07:04	FreeFull	Yeah, rats are still an item
07:04	telek	Somebody made a mod to add them back in way back when, but I think it was a few 'core' modding apis back.
07:05	telek	But not an available mob type (animal_rat being a seperate mob, obviously)
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07:11	hoodedice	So I made a [citation needed] Template on the Wiki
07:11	hoodedice	Why do I feel awesome?
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08:01	telek	VanessaE has an mt-nostalgia gamemode that has the legacy rats :)
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08:18	telek	Any new vehicle mods out for minetest?
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08:27	hoodedice	None that I know of, but this webdesigner97's car mod has fixed camera
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08:45	CraigyDavi	Hi everyone
08:45	LemonLake	こんにちは
08:47	* sfan5	nyans at LemonLake
08:47	LemonLake	sfan5: ニャー :3
08:47	sfan5	：３
08:47	LemonLake	u wot m8
08:47	LemonLake	：３
08:47	LemonLake	oh clever
08:47	sfan5	meow
08:48	LemonLake	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/XMHnMajDgwf7.png
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09:03	PenguinDad	sfan5: https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_next/commit/ec013871c465c0bff75fd749d0835d0e868c8df6 doesn't really fix that crash
09:03	sfan5	PenguinDad: it fixes the crash when destorying the boat, not the crash (that I didn't know of) when you just sit on it
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09:05	PenguinDad	I still have crashes while destroying the boat
09:05	sfan5	backtrace pls
09:06	PenguinDad	It's exactly the same backtrace http://ix.io/dha
09:07	sfan5	this not really possible
09:07	PenguinDad	I had to this to actually fix it https://github.com/PenguinDad/freeze/commit/38a1613c5313f88867667f7c99fc01d73c260861#diff-d7d74284e2e39f6c06d199c8e2bedbd0L57
09:09	sfan5	seems to be a race condition
09:09	sfan5	ok, reproduces it
09:09	sfan5	reproduced*
09:09	sfan5	#0  0x00007ffff37bea38 in main_arena () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
09:09	sfan5	yep
09:09	sfan5	same thing
09:10	telek	Whooo
09:10	telek	That'll come in before 0.4.10, right?
09:10	sfan5	what?
09:11	telek	That race fix, or is it just in the mod?
09:11	sfan5	just the mod
09:12	* telek	nods.
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09:21	sfan5	PenguinDad: could you try this? http://sprunge.us/IDGN
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09:29	PenguinDad	sfan5: this fixes it
09:29	sfan5	PenguinDad: apparently PilzAdam wants it fixed in the engine and not in the mod itself..
09:30	PilzAdam	sfan5, or add it to doc and make an announcement that API behaviour changed
09:30	LemonLake	I pilz the adam
09:30	PilzAdam	and make the client crash save, of course
09:30	LemonLake	Hold on
09:30	LemonLake	What is the actual problem?
09:31	PilzAdam	LemonLake, the worst problem is that a mod crashes a client
09:31	LemonLake	ah
09:32	PilzAdam	the second worst problem is that API behaviour changed since last stable release
09:32	Calinou	about boat/hover bug, I fixed it in Carbone 2 days ago by making it not diggable while it has a driver
09:33	PenguinDad	Calinou: this might work for boats, hovers and carts but not in my case
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09:45	Calinou	I found a screenshot of Minetest in April 2012: http://c55.me/wp-uploads/2012/04/minetest_desert.png
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09:52	telek	Calinou: I've still got a world somewhere that looks similiar to that :D
09:52	* telek	still has an original world migrated from 0.2 or 0.3 running too.
09:52	Calinou	also: http://celeron.55.lt/wp-uploads/2011/10/tscrot-2011-10-30_03-02-33.png → I should try finding these textures somewhere (they're from cisoun's old pack)
09:52	Calinou	to make a pack working with 0.4.x with these textures
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09:54	jp	VanessaE : http://i.imgur.com/sPk8eiw.png
09:55	Calinou	-1 for Chrome :(
09:55	Calinou	Chromium is readily available in the repositories
09:55	jp	Chrome is more often updated than Chromium.
09:55	PilzAdam	with spyware from google
09:56	jp	and I'm not free-software integrist ;)
09:56	jp	a*
09:58	Calinou	it's updated at the exact same frequency
09:58	Calinou	in fact, you can get Chromium dev builds
09:58	Calinou	<jp> and I'm not free-software integrist ;)
09:58	Calinou	the feature set is exactly the same
09:58	jp	Nope. Adobe Flash is no longer supported on Linux. Except under Chrome... just an exemple.
09:59	jp	no longer updated* since years.
09:59	Calinou	you can use Chrome's Pepper stuff under Chromium, as long as you keep Chrome installed (but no need to run it)
09:59	SylvieLorxu	Adobe Flash updates only make it worse anyway. Doesn't Chrome and Chromium have their own implementation?
09:59	jp	Adobe Flash isn't integrated in Chtomium
09:59	Calinou	it's not like Flash deserves being used in the first place anyway
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10:00	PilzAdam	I stopped using flash for a while now
10:00	jp	For the moment, Flash is more effective than HTML5.
10:01	PilzAdam	in fact, flash tends to overheat my CPU
10:01	SylvieLorxu	Flash always was a memory hog when I used it. HTML5 video is one of the low amount of things that actually don't freeze Firefox for me
10:02	LemonLake	The benefit of HTML5 is that it's mobile.
10:02	LemonLake	Flash no longer provides mobile versions.
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10:05	SylvieLorxu	The benefit of HTML5 is that it's an Open Standard that anyone can implement and improve upon, instead of being stuck with a piece of buggy junkware that doesn't get improved because Adobe is too incompetent to write software updates that fix more than they break
10:09	telek	SylvieLorxu: You mean software they purchased and no doubt have gutted the development team on in the intervening years :)
10:10	SylvieLorxu	Oh yeah, true, Flash wasn't originally Adobe stuff
10:10	telek	Macromedia :)
10:12	telek	Out of curiousity: Does minetest properly cache textures atm?
10:12	telek	Because logging out and back into a server takes FOREVER.
10:12	telek	Not as bad as the old days, but still longer than it seems like it should take.
10:13	PenguinDad	telek: It caches the textures
10:14	LemonLake	But do they still have to verify if they're correct?
10:16	* telek	has been wondering for a while if they do like an alphabetized list of textures, file size, and checksum to figure out when updates need to be performed.
10:16	VanessaE	jp: what eactly did you do to trigger that error?
10:17	PilzAdam	telek, look in $path_user/cache/
10:18	jp	VanessaE : digging a MoreBlocks unknown nodes.
10:20	VanessaE	impossible - that code is only executed at startup
10:21	jp	Sorry, I was wrong...
10:21	VanessaE	can you get me the full error report from debug.txt ?
10:21	jp	When I put 'the brass fence', it trigger the error and crash MT.
10:21	jp	Yep.
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10:23	jp	Hmm... I don't found this file ?
10:23	hoodedice	back
10:23	hoodedice	So, I messed up the wiki a bit
10:23	hoodedice	I'm gonna crash now, gonna flesh it up later
10:23	VanessaE	jp: in your minetest dir e.g.  ~/.minetest/debug.txt
10:24	hoodedice	I would love it if someone could do http://wiki.minetest.net/Minetest_Wiki:Community_portal properly
10:24	telek	PilzAdam: 51 megs, so it looks like it is.
10:24	telek	sha256 checksums?
10:24	PilzAdam	models are not cached, AFAIK
10:25	telek	Are they considered textures for loading purposes?
10:25	telek	If not it's the textures that are slow not the models.
10:26	PilzAdam	what?
10:27	telek	PilzAdam: Does 'Loading Textures' include models, or just the Textures?
10:27	telek	If it's only the textures then the majority of the time is definitely spent on textures.
10:27	hoodedice	http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Changelog&amp;diff=1709&amp;oldid=1708
10:28	hoodedice	Oh. My. GOD
10:28	hoodedice	hahahaa
10:28	PilzAdam	telek, doesn't it say "Media..."?
10:29	PenguinDad	Line 404 :D
10:29	telek	PilzAdam, yeah, before textures, but that only takes a couple seconds. Textures seem to take a minute or two (not on a bare stock game obv, but with ~28 megs of textures across all the moddirs)
10:29	hoodedice	Calinou, can you make the wiki link on reddit redirect to the minetest wiki?
10:30	hoodedice	r/minetest
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10:31	PenguinDad	telek: have enabled preload item visuals?
10:31	* telek	could make irreverent jokes about where the rain comes from and how line 404 might not be too far from the truth :D
10:31	PilzAdam	telek, it first says "Item definitions...", then "Node definitions..." and then "Media..."
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10:31	PilzAdam	there is no special "texture loading" stage
10:31	telek	PenguinDad: Yep
10:32	PenguinDad	telek: disable that and it will load much faster
10:32	telek	After media says 'Item Textures'
10:32	telek	And it sits there for a long time loading them.
10:33	PenguinDad	telek: just disable preload item visuals
10:33	PilzAdam	greping "Item Textures" has 0 results in the code
10:34	telek	PilzAdam: dunno what to tell you, I'm using 0.4.9 client and git for the server
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10:35	telek	PilzAdam: Did you do 'Item textures' and/or -i?
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10:36	PilzAdam	ah, why did you capitalize the "T"?
10:36	telek	Also: Is there any way waterlillies and other such nodes could be attached to the liquid they're above so if your client is running the swaying water effect it won't look like it's floating above the surface?
10:36	hoodedice	PilzAdam: Why did you not not capitalize it? =P
10:36	telek	PilzAdam: Habit probably. It's why I always use grep -i :)
10:37	hoodedice	telek, maybe the water shader could be attached to the water lilies, so they float WITH the water haha
10:37	PilzAdam	hoodedice, I did, thats why I didn't find it
10:37	hoodedice	Impossible without physics being added to the water, which won't happen because lag
10:38	hoodedice	have fun devving *crashes into bed*
10:38	BlockMen	hoodedice, currently water shaders are liquids only
10:38	* telek	waves!
10:38	BlockMen	*liquid drawtype only
10:38	telek	Does the water shader actually deform the geometry of the block?
10:38	PenguinDad	There's even waving lava :D
10:38	hoodedice	Block, was a joke. BTW, look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal
10:39	telek	If so, all you'd need to do is attach the water lilly or whatever to the surface of the block prior to deform, then deform it along with it, no?
10:39	BlockMen	PenguinDad, ik :\ needs to be configurable in next version
10:39	hoodedice	Block, could you make a something like that on the MT wiki? http://wiki.minetest.net/Minetest_Wiki:Community_portal
10:41	BlockMen	you mean a TODO list?
10:41	Taoki	Hi. I have a question about something I wasn't fully sure of: Does the footstep sounds property of nodes work for liquid nodes? So footstep sounds can be played when the player swims in them, and therefore useable as swimming sounds?
10:41	hoodedice	Not necessarily, but yeah
10:41	BlockMen	Taoki, IIRC no
10:41	hoodedice	I think there are swimming sounds already (?)
10:41	Taoki	Ah :(
10:41	hoodedice	weird
10:42	Taoki	hoodedice: No. And they're difficult to do properly too
10:42	hoodedice	Also, this ambience sound mod has breathing sounds
10:42	Taoki	This would be easy to chance so yeah
10:42	BlockMen	hoodedice, only by mods that check the node you are in atm
10:42	Taoki	Ambience mod is very laggy and doesn't handle sounds properly IMO
10:43	BlockMen	hoodedice, and where do you think should that TODO list placed?
10:44	hoodedice	Block, I linked you the MT version of the Wiki community page
10:44	hoodedice	Which is pretty barebones haha
10:44	hoodedice	I think this would be a TODO+News+status page
10:44	hoodedice	Here  http://wiki.minetest.net/Minetest_Wiki:Community_portal
10:46	hoodedice	kaeza thinks it should link back to Main
10:46	BlockMen	so you want "wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page:Community_portal" ?
10:47	hoodedice	...?
10:47	hoodedice	In retrospective, I think I'll work on that myself; devs are busy people haha
10:47	VanessaE	jp: I've tried every combination of adding and removing signs, brass fences, and unknown blocks (from previously-installed Moreblocks) that I can think of and I cannot reproduce the error.
10:48	* hoodedice	crashes
10:49	jp	VanessaE : It's when I put brass fence on a unknown nodes that MT crashes. And it's not written in debug.txt
10:49	hoodedice	jp mt version?
10:49	jp	049-dev from yesterday.
10:50	jp	No matter, it's a particular action anyway.
10:51	VanessaE	it still has to be checked.
10:51	VanessaE	AH hah
10:51	VanessaE	I can reproduce that.
10:52	jp	I don't think that there are much players who put homdecor nodes on unknown nodes, so matter to fix it.
10:52	VanessaE	the full error btw, is http://pastebin.com/DYrkjpNG
10:54	VanessaE	lemme see if this helped...  sec.
10:56	VanessaE	fixed -- bcdd04b
10:57	jp	Good.
10:57	VanessaE	(the extra check in line 741 is a sanity check in case something weird happens)
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11:20	MinetestBot	GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix warnings reported by clang 37b7f09 2014-07-06T13:19:21+02:00 http://git.io/Qmd_HQ
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11:52	jp	VanessaE : it's normal that the new release of Plantlife places flowers on all default:leaves ?
11:53	jp	flower petals*
11:53	VanessaE	jp: yes, if the trees are near water.  If you don't like this, remove the nature_classic mod and use worldedit (or an alias) to translate them back to leaves.
11:54	VanessaE	make sure your copy is fully up-to-date.  trees within 20m of water will grow apple blossoms and then eventually apples.  the blossoms come and go over time.
11:54	jp	Flowers + water generation = CPU usage+++
11:54	VanessaE	nope.avi
11:55	VanessaE	it just does a find_node_near() call every so often to look for water when it's ready to try to grow some blossoms
11:55	jp	Yes, when water isn't generated = heavy loading.
11:56	VanessaE	have you evaluated the engine code to see if it it in fact uses a lot of CPU to execute that call?
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11:58	jp	No, just experienced in game.
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11:59	nman3600	Hi
11:59	PenguinDad	hey nman3600
12:00	nman3600	Can someone give me a link to a tutorial on how to set a command block in the mesecons mod?
12:00	VanessaE	jp: it's unlikely to be that call, it's only executed once a minute.
12:00	VanessaE	well the ABM triggers once a minute anyway
12:00	VanessaE	no, that's not right
12:01	VanessaE	once an HOUR
12:01	VanessaE	interval of 3600, chance 15
12:02	VanessaE	so you can't be feeling a slowdown from that :)
12:02	VanessaE	nman3600: sorry, never used it
12:03	nman3600	VanessaE, Ahh that's a bummer, I really need to know how they really work.
12:03	CWz	command blocks don't seem to work with 0.4.9-dev builds
12:03	crazyR	hey guys in a media server is it possible to keep all the media in seprate folders?
12:04	CWz	yes, using Symbolic links
12:04	telek	Hey can minetestserver benefit from smp now, or no?
12:04	CWz	well, mamybe that doesn't count
12:04	CWz	*maybe
12:05	nman3600	Also I've been struggling to come up with a design of a "piston door". Any ideas/tutorials that are good and actually work?
12:05	crazyR	nman3600 constructors makethe best doors of that style
12:06	* PenguinDad	prefers ghoststone doors
12:06	jp	VanessaE : I think it's not a good idea to modify the default nodes with a mod anyway.
12:06	nman3600	Ghoststone is a good idea but i want to make a piston one
12:08	nore	nman3600, come on VanessaE's survival server
12:08	nore	I have made one there
12:08	nman3600	nore, Okay coming now
12:12	telek	141 pages at 24 items per page.
12:12	telek	Of crafting items. Is that excessive?
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12:13	nore	telek, that's twice the number of items on VE's servers
12:14	nore	but VE's servers use colormachine and circular saw/cnc to avoid having tons of items...
12:14	telek	How does colormachine work anyways?
12:17	* Jordach	pokes a BlockMen
12:18	BlockMen	hm?
12:19	Jordach	where's the release
12:20	Jordach	you said 20140706 :P
12:21	nore	telek: you put in dye and thing to color, and you get colored thing
12:21	nore	(useful for reducing creative inv size)
12:23	BlockMen	i didnt say. the channel topic says
12:23	VanessaE	jp: noting wrong with redefining default nodes if you can't do it any other way
12:23	BlockMen	and this days is just ~50% gone
12:24	Jordach	i was up ~8 hours ago
12:24	Jordach	(before i went to sleep)(
12:24	* PenguinDad	is going to rewrite an already rewritten mod
12:25	Jordach	PenguinDad, i fixed the minetest.env: issue :3
12:26	kaeza	rewriteception!
12:26	kaeza	mornings
12:26	PenguinDad	Jordach: already saw that
12:26	VanessaE	greetz, kaeza
12:27	PenguinDad	hello kaeza
12:31	* sfan5	meows at kaeza
12:31	* Jordach	has an experiment to try out
12:31	* kaeza	meows back at sfan5
12:32	Jordach	hybrid chest node / entity
12:32	* sfan5	purrs
12:33	Jordach	!c 1.0/16.0
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12:49	Jordach	ecutruin, hello!
12:49	ecutruin	Heyo.
12:49	Jordach	!reload tell]
12:49	VanessaE	bbl
12:50	sfan5	Jordach: "MinetestBot: reload tell"
12:50	Jordach	MinetestBot: reload tell
12:50	MinetestBot	Jordach: <module 'tell' from '/home/user/mtbot/modules/tell.pyc'> (version: 2014-06-28 14:30:46)
12:50	Jordach	good girk
12:51	sfan5	<3 MinetestBot
12:51	MinetestBot	<3 sfan5
12:51	Jordach	i ran !tell last night and it appears to not have processed
12:51	sfan5	it's very broken
12:52	BlockMen	!tell MinetestBot you are broken
12:52	MinetestBot	I'm not dumb, you know?
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12:53	TenPlus1	Hi folks...
12:53	TenPlus1	anyone around that could help me with a v7 biome question ???
12:54	sfan5	just ask
12:54	Jordach	TenPlus1, HMMMMMMMMMM!
12:54	Jordach	you struck my chord
12:54	TenPlus1	:) am generating biomes using minetest.register_biome and am wondering if their is a way to set persistance in it ?
12:54	sfan5	Jordach: ^
12:54	TenPlus1	am finding online documentation quite limited
12:55	Jordach	persistence?
12:55	PilzAdam	TenPlus1, the biome API is neither finished nor stable
12:55	Jordach	once registered, it stays that biome until changed via minetest.register_biome()
12:56	TenPlus1	so there's no way to make the biome less aggressive and more smooth ?
12:56	Jordach	no
12:56	Jordach	you're stuck with the hard lines sadly
12:56	TenPlus1	thanks for your help...
12:57	TenPlus1	I dont suppose there's a way to disable ridges as yet ?
12:57	TenPlus1	in the latest dev...
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13:04	Jordach	TenPlus1, you can't disable rivers either
13:05	TenPlus1	rivers are handy, although it would be nice to have the option to disable certain map features for custom maps
13:09	TenPlus1	and for those options to be available in the GUI itself
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13:23	JackGruff	Linux question. Has noone made a TUI download manager?
13:24	TenPlus1	TUI ?
13:28	TenPlus1	you could try multiget or steadyflow, those are in the debian/ubuntu repo's
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13:29	Jordach	this is NOT a nodebox
13:29	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/J1HNohiTRkIf.png
13:30	TenPlus1	?
13:30	Jordach	it looks like a nodebox chest right, well, you'd be wrong for thinking that
13:30	Jordach	that's a living entity
13:30	TenPlus1	a hidden mod ?
13:30	TenPlus1	*mob ?
13:31	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/xsH0gHvzYILW.png
13:32	TenPlus1	handy if it could follow you like the Luggage from the Discworld series :P
13:33	JackGruff	TenPlus1, thnx
13:34	JackGruff	i've been trying to find one i can run on headless server
13:34	Jordach	is there a way with formspecs to check if the player exits them?
13:36	TenPlus1	Wouldn't you put an exit/back button and check for that ?
13:40	Jordach	i'm trying to get the name of an entity at a certain position
13:40	BlockMen	Jordach, check for field["quit"] = true
13:41	Jordach	BlockMen, any chest based examples?
13:41	BlockMen	my crafting mod
13:41	Jordach	i've not heard that in the API text
13:42	TenPlus1	Jordach: wont the Item Drop mod help you out there, it looks for entities around it in items
13:42	PenguinDad	Here's the double rewritten mod https://github.com/PenguinDad/jmod-rewrites/blob/master/sethome/init.lua
13:42	MinetestBot	GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Fix memory leak in EmergeManager 6bd1524 2014-07-06T15:41:59+02:00 http://git.io/pbdVuw
13:45	JackGruff	https://github.com/ziahamza/webui-aria2
13:45	JackGruff	tada
13:45	PenguinDad	^ Jordach
13:46	TenPlus1	found your solution Jack :)
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13:51	Krock	moin moin
13:52	TenPlus1	hi Krock
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13:52	Krock	0.4.10 to be released ~July 6th | Please be
13:52	Krock	happened yet?
13:52	TenPlus1	lol
13:53	Jordach	beh
13:54	* Krock	clicks on "Mark forums read" and completes the task with that
13:54	PenguinDad	Jordach: don't like my rewrite?
13:54	* sfan5	meows at Krock
13:54	* Krock	meows at sfan5
13:55	* PenguinDad	squawks at Krock
13:56	* Krock	picks up PenguinDad and eats him
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14:06	Krock	ok. seems like 0.4.10 needs some days more to wait
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14:16	TenPlus1	cya folks...
14:16	TenPlus1	./quit
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14:19	telek	Hey, is there a way to get the old fps counter back?
14:21	sfan5	press F5
14:22	telek	Sweet, thanks sfan5
14:25	Krock	huh? old? newest is on top left included
14:25	PenguinDad	Krock: not anymore
14:25	Krock	ok /me isn't up-to-date with thie build
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14:30	telek	Anybody know what would cause a mod to crash with an assertion about an unloaded item id or something?
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14:32	Krock	telek, error log or screenshot plz
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14:35	PenguinDad	No sethome mod on Krock's server :(
14:35	MinetestBot	GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix errors/warnings reported by valgrind eadde1e 2014-07-06T16:33:02+02:00 http://git.io/Lk05vQ
14:35	* Krock	gives PenguinDad unified inventory buttons
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14:39	rubenwardy	So much activity in #minetest-dev. It is like their hive being attacked.
14:39	rubenwardy	and, hi all!
14:39	* sfan5	meows at rubenwardy
14:40	rubenwardy	0.4.10, I know :P
14:40	* Krock	throws "wait a time" at rubenwardy(and a "Hi" after)
14:40	* kaeza	changed forum signature
14:40	PilzAdam	lets make everyone angry
14:40	PilzAdam	!op
14:40	* kaeza	slaps Krock for not using sethome
14:41		Topic for #minetest is now Latest stable version is 0.4.9, 0.4.10 to be released ~July 13th | Please be patient, responses may take a while | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | Channel stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html | No unauthorized bots.
14:41	PilzAdam	!deop
14:41	* Krock	slaps kaeza with overuse of chatcommands
14:41	VanessaE	July 13.  terrible date to release.
14:42	VanessaE	At least make it the 12th or 14th. :P
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14:42	* PenguinDad	slaps Krock with https://github.com/PenguinDad/jmod-rewrites/blob/master/sethome/init.lua
14:42	* Krock	gives PenguinDad a cookie
14:44	* PenguinDad	noms the cookie
14:45	rubenwardy	Descension of Doom :P
14:45	rubenwardy	* :O
14:45	Calinou	today is my 3rd Minetest birthday
14:45	Calinou	lol, version postpone
14:46	rubenwardy	Yeah
14:46	Calinou	mostly just because mod developers are too lazy to fix their mods :D
14:46	VanessaE	rubenwardy: how goes nodebox editor development? :)
14:46	Calinou	<VanessaE> July 13.  terrible date to release.
14:46	Calinou	why? it's not Friday the 13
14:46	rubenwardy	It is good though, the post pone, it makes you think they will put more time into bug fixing.
14:46	VanessaE	Calinou: 13 is considered generally unlucky, whether it's friday or not :)
14:47	rubenwardy	VanessaE: 0.6.5 is almost ready. It features automatic working directory searching, and make install support. As well as bug fixes.
14:47	VanessaE	Calinou: some buildings, for example, don't have a 13th floor after 12, they skip to 14.
14:47	Calinou	postpone is mostly problem moving
14:47	* m5	slaps Calinou with a netsplit
14:48	rubenwardy	Just have to fix issues with finding the home / my documents directory.
14:48	Calinou	Ubuntu releases happen to be mostly bug-less to me when I upgrade to them (sometimes on D+1); same goes for Fedora releases, so where's the benefit?
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14:48	VanessaE	Calinou: postponed to give time to work out this weird map regen issue I thought?
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14:48	Calinou	I've never had that issue, but I don't run a large server
14:49	BlockMen	it also happens on slow devices
14:49	rubenwardy	postpone is mostly poor time management, but it also means more work is spent, rather then them releasing with bugs.
14:49	celeron55	VanessaE: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues?milestone=3&amp;state=open
14:49	celeron55	because of all of those
14:50	VanessaE	Calinou: I haven't had it happen on my own machines, but Zeno has had a similar bug on his server, which I was not able, for the life of me, to either reproduce myself -- with HIS MAP -- nor to prevent happening on his server, either.
14:51	VanessaE	celeron55: well I assumed the rest of the milestones as well, but the mapgen issue does seem to be taking center stage at the moment.
14:51	celeron55	rubenwardy: i don't see how suddenly finding new bugs and setting out to fix them before releasing is bad time management
14:51	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/proUrfU8oeaa.png
14:51	VanessaE	Jordach: nice!  entities or just nodes?
14:51	Jordach	VanessaE, Hybrid
14:51	Jordach	HYBRID!
14:51	rubenwardy	Bad time management as in not allowing enough time to find bugs and then fix them. It doesn't matter though, you & the team are doing a great job.
14:52	VanessaE	Jordach: video please? :)
14:52	Calinou	“concatenating” is a word :o
14:53	Jordach	VanessaE, still unfinished, but i learned a shitload about mobs
14:53	Jordach	and entities
14:53	Jordach	VanessaE, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/4LH1P0UmspM9.png
14:53	Jordach	clearobject won't kill it :3
14:54	Jordach	there, avoided another bug if the lid was missing to avoid indexing nil
14:54	VanessaE	nice
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14:57	nman3600	Krock! Where have you been!
14:58	Krock	#internet_free_time
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14:58	nman3600	?
14:59	Jordach	btw, in time, i could modify the entity so the nodebox is hidden and it's a full on entity
14:59	Krock	Calinou, why is a rhino a monster? they're nice
14:59	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=6552 → is this basically TCP, Taoki?
14:59	Calinou	there was a TCP branch made by celeron55 back in 2012
14:59	Calinou	Krock, because they happen to shoot bullets
15:00	Jordach	pfffffffff
15:00	Krock	Calinou, interesting...
15:00	diemartin	Jordach, with that code, dropping an item on top of the chest would probably prevent the chest from adding its lid again
15:00	Calinou	they spawn below -60, at a similar frequency to dungeon masters
15:00	Jordach	diemartin, collsion is disabled
15:00	Calinou	they drop 12 silver coins (the most coins)
15:00	Jordach	however invisible nodebox to act as a platform for the player can work
15:01	Calinou	good idea about the clearobjects-proofness
15:01	Calinou	could be added to item frames mod
15:01	Calinou	Jordach, your comments hurt my eyes :(
15:01	VanessaE	Calinou: +1000000000
15:01	Calinou	(same for your editor's background colour :P)
15:01	Jordach	Calinou, i haven't done english for ages
15:01	Calinou	VanessaE, I added fix for screwdriver crashes with item frames and made it use 16 × 16 textures
15:01	VanessaE	(I'd fix item_frames but I'm too lazy)
15:02	Calinou	Jordach, comments are sentences, begin with a capital, end with a . or : usually, add a space after the --
15:02	Calinou	look at how it's done in Carbone
15:02	Calinou	also don't make useless multi-line comments
15:02	Jordach	Calinou, i don't comform to a style
15:02	VanessaE	Calinou: oh, you got a fork of that that works right?
15:02	Jordach	i don't particularily care
15:02	Calinou	VanessaE, yes, it's in mod releases forum
15:02	Calinou	consistent code is important to look serious :P
15:03	Calinou	eg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7755977/
15:03	kaeza	Jordach, https://gist.github.com/kaeza/a2fb06bf959bfd53f3f5
15:03	Jordach	kaeza, they're all named the same
15:04	Calinou	also possible, for better recipe readability: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7755979/
15:04	Jordach	mesh_chest_locked
15:04	Calinou	(you can put the spaces between the quotes too, the recipe will still work but it's less optimal)
15:05	Jordach	btw, opening it if the lid is missing will just restore it :3
15:05	Jordach	instead of attempt to index nil :P
15:05	rubenwardy	In development: https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest_rts/compare/2625323...eb7f5e8
15:05	Jordach	(i'm more surprised that hybrid node entities are even possible)
15:05	rubenwardy	Adds an RTS camera to Minetest. WIP
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15:06	Jordach	>BFD RTS
15:06	* Jordach	drools
15:06	Calinou	I'd like minetest.conf setting for third person distance
15:06	Calinou	same for damage flash and tilt
15:06	VanessaE	Calinou: this one, from carbone?  https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone/source/b52d2fe031aa3d5bc72955da7439064237c7ae5d:mods/itemframes
15:07	Calinou	I have to edit the source to change these to my linking
15:07	Calinou	VanessaE, yes, the same
15:07	VanessaE	ok
15:07	Calinou	the fix is in the screwdriver mod
15:07	Calinou	so replace the screwdriver mod with Carbone's
15:08	kaeza	also, random: https://gist.github.com/kaeza/5baa66a4dafcfd5debfc
15:08	Calinou	the item frames mod from Carbone changes textures and makes items rotate slower on pedestals, that's all
15:08	Calinou	(makes the pedestals smaller too)
15:08	VanessaE	OH derp
15:13	VanessaE	Calinou: frankly *pokes RealBadAngel* I hate how the screwdriver works at all
15:14	RealBadAngel	what about it?
15:14	Jordach	RealBadAngel, meshnodes are irrelevant
15:14	VanessaE	cheapie suggested it should be rewritten to just rotate the damn node around X, Y or Z axes (depending on the mode it's in).  Imho it should have exactly those modes plus a "6d" mode that behaves exactly like mode 3 does now.
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15:14	Jordach	VanessaE, 5 minutes on upload
15:15	Taoki	Calinou: TCP?
15:15	VanessaE	RealBadAngel: because in practice, the screwdriver's behavior in anything but modes 1 and 3 is just plain G*d damned confusing.
15:15	Taoki	Not familiar with it
15:15	Calinou	TCP is data stream, UDP is packets.
15:15	Jordach	Taoki, what http:// underside uses - as well as IRC
15:15	Calinou	TCP is lossless by nature.
15:15	Calinou	so you asked for TCP, pretty much
15:15	Calinou	which means more lag in general
15:15	Taoki	Oh
15:15	Taoki	Movement uses TCP already?
15:15	Jordach	Taoki, the entirety of MT uses UDP
15:16	Calinou	no
15:16	Calinou	UDP is probably fine as we use it currently, lag is good enough
15:16	Taoki	Jordach: Ok. Then yeah, I mean TCP for movement
15:16	Calinou	UDP + TCP introduces problems
15:16	Calinou	people must forward in both modes, etc…
15:16	Calinou	harder to implement too
15:18	RealBadAngel	Calinou, you have changed screwdriver in carbone?
15:19	Calinou	yes
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15:20	Jordach	VanessaE, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkx3is1Ua04
15:21	Krock	Jordach, is your tank mod already released somewhere?
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15:21	Jordach	Krock, it works with the MTG buckets
15:21	Krock	...mtg?
15:21	Jordach	(they use the same item names between BFD and MTG, so you can copy and paste it)
15:21	Jordach	Minetest Game
15:21	Krock	ah okay
15:21	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
15:22	* Jordach	meows at sfan5
15:22	Jordach	sfan5, i'm tired of people saying things are impossible with the API
15:23	Jordach	i'm proving people wrong :3
15:23	sfan5	:3
15:23	VanessaE	Jordach: so far, so good - but can you stop it from looping the animation?
15:24	Guest14878	I really cba to change my nick back
15:24	VanessaE	Jordach: also nice background on the formspec ;)
15:24	Jordach	VanessaE, prototype
15:24	Jordach	VanessaE, got bored of looking at grey, you can thank ecutruin for prodding me
15:25	MinetestBot	GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest_game: Fix boats again 5e0c493 2014-07-06T12:12:05+02:00 http://git.io/sDFMaQ
15:25	MinetestBot	GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest_game: Rename functions, update API 584718a 2014-07-06T10:54:47+02:00 http://git.io/JG7PtA
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15:26	VanessaE	whoa, fuck me
15:26	VanessaE	_next got merged to mainline?!
15:26	BlockMen	yes
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15:26	VanessaE	great, now I gotta rebase dreambuilder :P
15:26	Jordach	VanessaE, nobody here will fuck you
15:27	* Jordach	shrugs
15:27	VanessaE	(actually I think it's fine the way it is)
15:28	Jordach	tl;dr - i know how to make it rain decently
15:28	Jordach	with only 1 entity
15:29	Jordach	and when i close the chest it should shut itself
15:30	PilzAdam	BlockMen, create a news topic
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15:30	BlockMen	PilzAdam, will do
15:31	BlockMen	umm..i cant?!
15:31	Jordach	fucking permissions
15:32	Jordach	BlockMen, write it in general and i'll move it
15:32	* m5	compiles node.js
15:32	BlockMen	Jordach, k
15:32	sfan5	m5: nobody cares
15:32	* m5	compiles sfan5
15:32	sfan5	m5: nobody cares
15:32	PilzAdam	ShadowNinja, can you fix that? devs should be able to create topics in "News"
15:33	* VanessaE	deletes m5
15:33	* m5	compiles Fuck_sfan5v2.8.1
15:33	m5	s/F/f
15:33	sfan5	!kick m5
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15:36	Jordach	PilzAdam, how do nodetimers work again
15:36	sfan5	Jordach: the work like this: lua_api.txt
15:36	sfan5	they*
15:36	Jordach	sfan5, not enough detail
15:36	PilzAdam	!api Jordach
15:36	PilzAdam	!doc Jordach
15:36	PenguinDad	Jordach: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
15:36	Jordach	lelelelelelelel
15:36	PilzAdam	what was it again?
15:36	PenguinDad	!dev Jordach
15:36	MinetestBot	"There is currently no text in this page." - http://dev.minetest.net/Jordach
15:36	PilzAdam	!rtfm Jordach
15:36	MinetestBot	Jordach, Someone thinks you should read the manual. The development wiki is at http://dev.minetest.net, the regular wiki is at http://wiki.minetest.net.
15:36	Jordach	dat green text
15:37	Jordach	!c 39.0/30.0
15:37	MinetestBot	1.3
15:37	Jordach	1.3 seconds
15:38	Calinou	my .minetest is 1.9 GB
15:38	Calinou	1.8 GB without cache
15:38	sfan5	1,2Gminetest
15:38	Calinou	238 MB without cache and texture packs
15:38	sfan5	I wonder what is taking up all that space
15:39	VanessaE	15 here without cache, and no texture packs are stored there either :)
15:39	sfan5	510Mminetest/worlds
15:39	VanessaE	big map files
15:39	sfan5	133Mminetest/cache
15:39	VanessaE	15 GB that is.
15:39	Calinou	carbone, cubique, explorer, faithful, gmc, hdx-{16-256}, mce, misa, oldpack, soartex
15:39	Calinou	all HDX packs are 1.5 GB
15:40	Calinou	HDX packs except 256 is “only” 540 MB :P
15:40	Jordach	how do i start a nodetimer, the example isn't that great
15:40	VanessaE	"only" :)
15:40	Calinou	33 % of my SSD Is used in total (75 GB of 243 GB)
15:40	sfan5	Calinou: how can your minetest be 1.9 GB if you have at least 2 HDX packs a 1.5 GB?
15:40	rubenwardy	VanessaE: All changes for 0.6.5, I now need to check for bugs and start the release process.
15:41	Calinou	sfan5, no, all HDX packs are 1.5 GB, all except 256 are 540 MB
15:41	VanessaE	rubenwardy: sweet.
15:41	rubenwardy	s/All changes for 0.6.5/All changes for 0.6.5 done
15:42	sfan5	!c (540+540+540+540+(1.5*1024))/1024.0
15:42	* m5	used 100GB
15:42	m5	sfan5, * MinetestBot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
15:42	m5	about 4 min ago
15:42	sfan5	Calinou: your texture packs should be about 3.6 GB then
15:43	Calinou	mce is only 45 MB and it's a 256² pack :P but less mod support
15:43	Calinou	and no .git
15:43	sfan5	m5: not funny
15:43	sfan5	m5: also changing your nick does not help
15:43	m5	what?
15:44	m5	I take it someone crached the bot
15:44	Calinou	<Jordach> sfan5, i'm tired of people saying things are impossible with the API → this always happens, people will always whine at limitations while other people will actually use them
15:44	sfan5	[LOG]: Mushroom988 calculated '8**8**8**8'
15:44	sfan5	do a /whowas Mushroom988
15:45	sfan5	Calinou: I'm not sure how you use limitations?
15:45	Calinou	I confirm, that guy was a mushroom.
15:45	sfan5	s/?//
15:45	Calinou	sfan5, “use” means “exploit to their full potential”
15:45	m5	bshellz
15:45	sfan5	m5: very randomly "mark" occurs two times...
15:45	m5	That's a massive host, I'm sure the user 'mark' would be taken
15:46	sfan5	and that person randomly knows that MinetestBot exists? and that person randomly knows how to crash it?
15:47	m5	Someone may have told that person
15:47	sfan5	suuureee..
15:47	sfan5	you're very stupid, do you know that?
15:47	Jordach	it's you and we fucking know it
15:47	Jordach	no need to even cut the bullshiut
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15:47	sfan5	!ban *@unaffiliated/marktwain
15:47	sfan5	ah right
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15:48	Jordach	TIL My hybrid chest lid is perfect https://cdn.mediacru.sh/T9JKPxlgSlxc.png
15:48	ShadowNinja	PilzAdam: Fixed.
15:48	VanessaE	Jordach: now make it work with HDX and not loop the animation ;)
15:48	Jordach	it is per vert right on the spot :3
15:48	Jordach	VanessaE, nodetimers will save me
15:48	PilzAdam	ShadowNinja, thx
15:48	Calinou	I don't think a ban was deserved, sfan5
15:48	sfan5	Calinou: why not?
15:48	Calinou	it's not like they're going to spam the channel or insult everyone inside
15:49	sfan5	the only thing markveidemanis does it annoy people and deliberately crash things
15:49	sfan5	is*
15:50	VanessaE	Jordach: well you could also set the last frame of the animation to last for like, 12 hours or some ridiculous amount, and auto-close when the player signs off as well :)
15:50	Jordach	VanessaE, solved by nodetimers
15:50	VanessaE	Jordach: node timers might not actually synch up perfectly :P
15:50	Jordach	>high-resolution timers
15:50	Jordach	yeah right
15:51	Calinou	node timers are slightly strange
15:51	VanessaE	Jordach: besides, how are you gonna change the node while the formspec is open?
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15:51	Calinou	bones sometimes take more than 20 minutes to time out in the default game, or at least it seems so
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15:51	Jordach	VanessaE, it uses 1 node
15:51	VanessaE	(or are those async?  I can't remember)
15:52	Jordach	wait
15:52	Jordach	big question, are nodetimers local to the world by default or are global
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15:52	Mushroom988	Hello
15:52	Mushroom988	I don't even care
15:52	sfan5	that is good
15:52	Mushroom988	<sfan5> you're very stupid, do you know that?
15:52	sfan5	then you can leave
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15:53	Mushroom988	<sfan5> !ban *@unaffiliated/marktwain
15:53	Mushroom988	<sfan5> ah right
15:53	Mushroom988	Link?
15:53	Jordach	PilzAdam, stuck on nodetimers
15:53	sfan5	link to what?
15:53	Jordach	i've not seen a example to work from
15:53	PilzAdam	Jordach, see bones mod
15:53	Mushroom988	a link
15:53	Mushroom988	a --> b stupid one
15:54	sfan5	????
15:54	Jordach	PilzAdam, timer is in seconds or minutes
15:54	PilzAdam	are fucking kidding me?
15:55	PilzAdam	your question for an example implied that you have read the docs
15:56	Jordach	WOOOO
15:56	Jordach	got the timer to lock down
15:56	Jordach	it stays open now!
15:56	Jordach	infinitely :3
15:56	Calinou	minetest.after() is another possible choice
15:56	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
15:56	Jordach	trying to get it to open smoothly
15:58	sfan5	!deop
15:58	Calinou	not worth it; also I hope you don't make it play an annoying sound each time it's opened
15:58	Calinou	(a subtle one is fine, lets other players know if someone opened a chest without having them look at it)
15:59	BlockMen	someone move to news plz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9683
15:59	Jordach	on it
15:59	sfan5	BlockMen: done
16:00	Jordach	what is elapsed
16:00	Jordach	compared to timeout
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16:04	Jordach	for some reason the chests feel more like dtime more than seconds
16:05	Jordach	s/chests/nodetimers
16:06	Jordach	timeout - elapsed seconds
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16:11	o4	You should really fix the bot
16:11	o4	You can't ignore 10 free shell hosts
16:12	Calinou	ehm, up for ban evasion again
16:12	o4	up?
16:13	LemonLake	down
16:13	Jordach	[17:13:05] <MinetestBot> Jordach: '*!*@unaffiliated/marktwain/*' added to ignore list.
16:13	Jordach	try again
16:13	o4	What?
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16:13	o4	Oh yea, marktwain and markveidemanis are different people
16:13	Jordach	i doubled up that regex
16:14	o4	Surely freenode won't make that mistake
16:14	Calinou	meh, I doubt it.
16:14	o4	Also you don't need a wildcard at the end
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16:15	o4	Okay i guess you do
16:16	Jordach	i ain't an idiot
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16:31	EvergreenTree	BlockMen: I might be interested in contributing to minetest next
16:32	BlockMen	s/next/game
16:32	EvergreenTree	It looks much nicer then minetest_game
16:32	EvergreenTree	Less stiff about features being added
16:33	Calinou	still has stiff :P
16:33	Calinou	and bad textures/sounds
16:34	Calinou	ugly formspecs, bad physics, bad balance, too slow…
16:34	Calinou	no mobs by default :-D
16:35	EvergreenTree	Calinou: Sounds exactly like minetest_game
16:35	EvergreenTree	:P
16:40	rubenwardy	NBE can now be installed as an application in the start menu, on Linux systems :D
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16:47	Calinou	EvergreenTree, and _next…
16:47	EvergreenTree	yep
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16:48	PenguinDad	Since _next is _game now this totally makes sense
16:50	celeron55	i wanted to keep _next separate, but when i asked everything about it, i realized it's actually minetest_game in almost every aspect in it's current state and future plans
16:50	celeron55	so that is why it's going into _game again and staying there
16:50	celeron55	don't expect anything special from it because it's _game with _game's responsibilities 8)
16:54	VanessaE	BlockMen, celeron55 one thing it needs is some kind of metal primitives added.  wire, rebar, sheets, etc.  Something like the Steel mod but in a more minimal sense I think.
16:54	Taoki	Just to be on the safe side; Can multi-pack mods be included in games? Or do they only work in the Mods folder
16:54	Calinou	tin and silver? :p
16:55	Calinou	Taoki, I use the Mesecons modpack in Carbone just fine
16:55	Calinou	to disable mods, make their name begin with a .
16:55	VanessaE	Calinou: perhaps, but I was thinking only of steel/iron at the moment,.
16:55	Taoki	Calinou: Then it's all good
16:55	Calinou	that's what I did for Mesecons, disabled heavy parts
16:55	Calinou	for a true bronze recipe, VanessaE
16:56	Calinou	(which is in Carbone, like silver)
16:56	VanessaE	Calinou: oh, yes absolutely!
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16:56	VanessaE	steel + copper != bronze.
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16:56	* sfan5	meows at VanessaE
16:57	VanessaE	hi
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16:57	zat	Super gay!
16:58	zat	eh wait what
16:58	* celeron55	meow
16:58	* sfan5	purr
16:58	* Jordach	mews
16:59	Jordach	back to making that chest shut up
16:59	Jordach	(literally(
16:59	* EvergreenTree	shuts the chest up
16:59	sfan5	Jordach: no 3rd person singluar 's' :(
16:59	sfan5	s/no/don't add a/
16:59	PenguinDad	let's produce a sandwich-structured composite when combining steel and copper :D
17:00	VanessaE	BlockMen, celeron55:  the reason I suggest that metal-primitives idea is that RBA and I and others have discussed it, and since nothing reliable is likely to happen any time soon, I'm gonna have to add steel mod to Homedecor modpack and add items such as listed above, just to get some materials homedecor needs for more "proper" recipes.  I'd rather not have to resort to that. :P
17:00	celeron55	VanessaE: why do you hilight me
17:01	celeron55	all responsibility of _game is now on the _next guys and i am not one of them
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17:01	zat	Guys, I have an idea... why not instead of having to add mods for every kind of metal don't you instead just add all the know metals and its properties together with data that can be used to determine when and how to spawn them?
17:01	Calinou	VanessaE, steel + copper is brass, right?
17:01	LemonLake	sfan5:　ニャー！
17:02	VanessaE	Calinou: in homedecor, I used silver + copper I think.  closest recipe I could come up with.
17:02	sfan5	LemonLake: ニャー
17:02	zat	all the known*
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17:03	* VanessaE	checks the documentation...
17:03	VanessaE	yep, 1 silver + 1 copper = 2 brass.
17:08	VanessaE	celeron55: merely as a courtesy.
17:08	celeron55	i ask you to not do that, because it isn't and wont be my focus at all
17:09	VanessaE	as you wish.
17:10	VanessaE	Calinou: why, what are you thinking?
17:10	* VanessaE	is curious now :)
17:11	sfan5	@NEWS@ [0.4.10] Release Canidate builds - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=9685
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17:14	* Krock	compiled his MT 2 hours ago and doesn't need 0.4.10 RC now :)
17:15	BlockMen	0.4.10 RC > 0.4.9 dev :P
17:16	BlockMen	well, in prestige
17:18	jp	VanessaE : for disable 'nature_pack', I have just to remove his folder ?
17:18	VanessaE	jp: yes.
17:18	jp	Thx.
17:18	VanessaE	jp: make sure you alias nature:blossom back to default:leaves
17:18	jp	No 'unknown nodes' then ?
17:18	VanessaE	if you alias as above ^^^^ yeah.
17:19	jp	Alias...
17:19	VanessaE	minetest.register_alias("nature:blossom", "default:leaves")
17:19	Krock	minetest.register_alias("nature:blossom", "default:leaves")
17:19	Krock	damn
17:19	VanessaE	ninja'd
17:19	Krock	ninja'd
17:19	Krock	>ninja'd
17:19	VanessaE	double-nbinja'd :)
17:19	Krock	again
17:19	VanessaE	HAHA!
17:19	VanessaE	triple-ninja'd
17:19	Krock	xD
17:20	Jordach	didn;t someone make a node use a different nodebox
17:20	jp	minetest.register_alias("nature:blossom", "default:leaves")   <-- Where should set that ?!
17:20	Jordach	to appear in the inventory - rather than the world
17:21	jp	should I*
17:21	VanessaE	jp: anywhere.  maybe in some "legacy" mod that you maintain.  stick it down at the end of plants_lib or something.
17:21	VanessaE	doesn't matter where as long as it gets executed after default is loaded.
17:21	jp	Ah.
17:22	Jordach	ShadowNinja, i remember someone using a nodebox for an inventory image
17:23	VanessaE	Jordach: wielditem drawtype
17:23	Jordach	VanessaE, but i want to keep my current drawtype the same
17:24	jp	VanessaE : unknown nodes without to do the register bla bla...
17:24	VanessaE	jp: what?
17:24	jp	"doesn't matter where as long as it gets executed after default is loaded."   <- doesn't work.
17:24	jp	Unknown nodes on trees >:(
17:25	VanessaE	jp: then you did it wrong :)
17:25	jp	I just removed the 'nature_pack' folder.
17:25	Megaf	VanessaE; it seems like luacontroller doesnt follows the active_block_range thing
17:25	VanessaE	jp: you didn't add the alias.
17:25	Megaf	luacontroler was activating the pipeworks thing
17:25	jp	Fiuuuu...
17:25	VanessaE	Megaf: active block range I think is 3...mapblocks.  so 48 nodes radius
17:25	Megaf	its a machien a player made
17:26	Megaf	VanessaE; I set it to 2
17:26	Megaf	and it will activate itself as soon as the server starts, without no one online
17:26	jp	This nature_pack is prettily annoying!
17:26	VanessaE	jp: remove the folder, add that alias to somewhere, say at the bottom of plants_lib if you want (or find some better place)
17:26	VanessaE	jp: and in the future, don't just blindly update :P
17:27	jp	Yeah...
17:27	VanessaE	Megaf: something is force-loading a mapblock using a voxel manipulator.
17:27	VanessaE	Megaf: force-loaded blocks are also active, I *think*
17:27	Megaf	I disabled it
17:28	VanessaE	Megaf: disabled what?
17:28	Megaf	max_forceloaded_blocks = 0
17:28	VanessaE	did it help?
17:28	Megaf	nope
17:29	Megaf	luacontroller will enable itself on its own and run the pipeworks thing (its a machien a player built)
17:29	celeron55	VM forceloading is impossible to disable
17:29	VanessaE	then that setting is being ignored, or it doesn't apply to mapblocks being loaded by a vmanip in the normal course of map operations (e.g. not a deliberate force-load operation)
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17:29	celeron55	so if some mod is doing that, you're out of luck
17:29	Megaf	well, that's a new behavour, it wasnt like that
17:30	Jordach	hmm
17:30	VanessaE	celeron55: some glitch in pipeworks, have to wait for nore or ShadowNinja to look into it.
17:30	Jordach	how do i get facedir
17:30	VanessaE	Jordach: minetest.get_node(pos).param2
17:30	Jordach	VanessaE, with classic mode enabled
17:30	VanessaE	classic mode? O_o
17:31	jp	Sorry VanessaE, I don't understand where *exactly* I have to change the alias...
17:32	VanessaE	jp: delete nature_classic folder and put that one line of code at the bottom of plants_lib's init.lua or any other mod, doesn't matter what mod or where as long as it gets executed *after* default is loaded.
17:32	jp	Ah, thanks, it's more clear now...
17:32	VanessaE	jp: or you can just use worldedit to transform those blossoms back into leaves
17:33	jp	Impossible at NYC.
17:33	jp	Too much to convert.
17:33	VanessaE	in that case just add that alias and you should be good.
17:34	Megaf	I'm just leaving luacotrollers disabled
17:34	jp	And please, do not replacing the default nodes automatically in the future with your mods...
17:34	VanessaE	Megaf: are you sure it's the luacontrollers that are causing the blocks to be force-loaded?
17:34	Jordach	legacy_facedir_simple = false, -- Support maps made in and before January 2012
17:34	Jordach	^ can
17:34	Jordach	VanessaE, *
17:35	Megaf	VanessaE; well, that wont happen if I use load_mod_mesecons_luacontroller = false in world.mt
17:35	Megaf	so, yes
17:35	VanessaE	jp: that's an OLLLLLLLD mod that used to be quite popular.  fell out of favor when the original nature pack stopped working.  I brought it back from the dead.  It's up to you not to install mods you don't want :P
17:35	VanessaE	Megaf: interesting.  I thought that was a bug in pipeworks.
17:36	VanessaE	Megaf: please file an issue against mesecons about this.
17:36	Calinou	<jp> Too much to convert.
17:36	Calinou	use aliases?
17:36	VanessaE	Calinou: you're a day late :P
17:36	Megaf	VanessaE; also, max lag drop from 8 to 4 when I disable lua controllers
17:36	jp	VanessaE : all players are not  familiar with the code, files interdependances, etc. That's the problem.
17:36	VanessaE	Megaf: I had noticed that there were blocks being force-loaded on one of my worlds as well.  I thought it was pipeworks doing it.  Please file a bug report :)
17:37	VanessaE	jp: most minetest users are familiar with the nature mod.
17:37	jp	most registred users*
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17:38	celeron55	any mod that changes or adds something in map generation isn't really intended to be ever removed from the world
17:38	VanessaE	jp: like I said, it's not my responsibility to hand-hold users or server admins to not cause them to install mods they don't want.  Check the modpack and watch the updates that I post on the relevant threads.
17:40	VanessaE	Megaf: as for max lag, well don't pay any attention to that right after a remove-mod-restart-server sequence.  it'll always drop no matter what you do.
17:44	jp	Well, I decided to boycott the VanessaE intrusive mods from now :p
17:44	VanessaE	:P
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17:46	rubenwardy	Node Box Editor version 0.6.5 released! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=147390#p147390
17:47	Megaf	VanessaE; https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/issues/169
17:48	VanessaE	Megaf: seems reasonable to me.
17:49	VanessaE	rubenwardy: time to add tons of requested features now ;)
17:49	rubenwardy	Yeah
17:49	rubenwardy	0.6.5 was a bug fixing version
17:49	Calinou	better default textures? a way to change textures easily?
17:49	Calinou	(without overwriting files)
17:50	VanessaE	Calinou: already mentioned among his TODOs.
17:50	rubenwardy	Is he talking to me?
17:51	Calinou	yes
17:51	rubenwardy	ok
17:52	VanessaE	rubenwardy: one thing that seriously needs fixed is the "grass"/grid texture is not well and evenly scaled.  it can sometimes be hard to pick out whether I've sized something right if I'm counting "pixels".
17:52	VanessaE	(did that make any sense?)
17:53	rubenwardy	I am guessing you mean the pixels for the texture of the ground change size?
17:53	VanessaE	yesh
17:53	VanessaE	yes*
17:53	VanessaE	some pixels are larger than others
17:54	VanessaE	like the texture was scaled with nearest neighbor to some factor not exactly 2x, 3x, 4x...
17:59	Jordach	achivement get
17:59	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/w-RPQhKRTOne.png
17:59	VanessaE	heh
18:00	Jordach	they now rotate properly and don't like 6d
18:01	VanessaE	bbl
18:07	* Krock	points at the new gsmapper release
18:07	hoodedice	WHY DID YOU EXTEND THE RELEASE DATE?!
18:07	hoodedice	!tw @MinetestCommune
18:07	MinetestBot	Sorry, couldn't get a tweet from https://twitter.com/MinetestCommune?1404670076.08 (@MinetestCommune)
18:07	Krock	CUZ ISSUES ROPEN
18:08	hoodedice	Look at the last tweet!
18:08	Krock	s/ROPEN/R OPEN
18:08	hoodedice	https://twitter.com/MinetestCommune/status/485683312909115392
18:08	hoodedice	fml
18:09	celeron55	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=9685
18:09	celeron55	link that there
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18:10	Krock	GUIFormSpecMenu::~GUIFormSpecMenu: Assertion '*m_ext_ptr == this' failed.
18:10	Krock	error already exists?
18:10	celeron55	it's looking like the main issue might get solved soon though, so maybe it can be released in a day or two
18:10	Krock	*issue
18:11	* GhostDoge	pokes PenguinDad
18:21	sfan5	Jordach: you on windows right now?
18:21	Jordach	yah
18:21	Jordach	sfan5, how would i get a position from minetest.register_on_player_receive_fields
18:21	sfan5	w8
18:22	sfan5	Jordach: download https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/minetest-0.4.10-rc1-win64.7z and compare the fps of opengl video driver vs. fps of direct3d9
18:22	Jordach	no
18:22	Jordach	that'd be a bad idea
18:22	Jordach	i'd get 60 either way
18:23	sfan5	I want values to compare
18:23	sfan5	just set max_fps and wanted_fps
18:23	Jordach	it'd make a shits worth of difference
18:24	sfan5	Jordach: this is the diff it makes on some laptop: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/8DMSNPEfo-rf.png
18:24	sfan5	bigger view range and even more fps
18:25	sfan5	Jordach: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest-teaching/blob/master/init.lua#L145-153 and https://github.com/sfan5/minetest-teaching/blob/master/init.lua#L112-115
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18:25	rubenwardy	wow
18:25	hoodedice	wut?
18:26	hoodedice	thanks celeron55
18:26	sfan5	<sfan5>30 Jordach: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest-teaching/blob/master/init.lua#L145-153 and https://github.com/sfan5/minetest-teaching/blob/master/init.lua#L112-115
18:26	sfan5	^ Jordach_
18:26	Jordach_	confused
18:27	hoodedice	sfan, I'll do it, just give me a sec
18:27	sfan5	hoodedice: thx
18:27	sfan5	Jordach_: you need to include the position in the name of the formspec
18:27	crazyR	jordach anychance i can get you to design a 3d(ish) node for the technic drills?
18:27	crazyR	lol
18:28	Jordach_	sfan5, how do i do that
18:28	sfan5	Jordach_: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest-teaching/blob/master/init.lua#L152
18:29	sfan5	Jordach_: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest-teaching/blob/master/init.lua#L148-151 is important if you have ${foobar} things in your formspec
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18:36	sfan5	o/ OldCoder
18:36	OldCoder	sfan5, hi!
18:37	sfan5	OldCoder: maybe you care about this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=9685
18:37	OldCoder	sfan5, I am reviewing
18:38	rubenwardy	sfan5: https://photos-3.dropbox.com/t/0/AAAnjtWMQi0gK6ALnIugmpCasXjZz9B4Y34LAAl9KQLzSg/12/285174607/png/2048x1536/3/1404676800/0/2/compare_dx9_opngl.png/lr3El2YfWZpjL6rCC6-OliRa8Iw_alCuNyMCCZZPUlM
18:38	OldCoder	0.4.10 O.K.
18:39	rubenwardy	oops
18:39	rubenwardy	ignore the labels
18:39	hoodedice	Hey, sub games not gonna be bundled with this release?
18:39	Calinou	no, hoodedice
18:39	Calinou	it'll be minetest_next, renamed to minetest_game
18:39	Calinou	Carbone was quite considered, but is postponed probably
18:40	Calinou	http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2014-07-05#i_3794979
18:40	Calinou	http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2014-07-05#i_3795073
18:40	Calinou	:p
18:40	hoodedice	I wanted something along the lines of Brandon's AdventureTest game
18:40	Calinou	http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2014-07-05#i_3795200
18:40	Calinou	about AdventureTest ^
18:41	hoodedice	"literally the only thing wasteland does well is the menu screen"
18:41	hoodedice	oh my God.
18:43	hoodedice	Ok, Minetest rc1 just crashed on my system.
18:43	hoodedice	Getting the logs
18:43	hoodedice	Nothing
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18:43	hoodedice	I clicked "New" and it shut down
18:44	PenguinDad	hoodedice: minetest is quite segfaulty right now
18:47	hoodedice	I see some areas with that black thingy bug
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18:48	* Krock	noticed a 6 FPS difference between OpenGL 1.4.0 and Direct3D9
18:48	BlockMen	hoodedice, which build? msvc or mingw?
18:49	hoodedice	MinGW
18:49	sfan5	hoodedice: 64bit?
18:49	hoodedice	Yes
18:49	sfan5	Krock: which on is faster?
18:49	BlockMen	try msvc
18:49	sfan5	hoodedice: damnit..
18:49	sfan5	do what BlockMen said
18:49	hoodedice	alright
18:49	Krock	sfan5, direct3d9 with 42 fps
18:49	PenguinDad	42 \o/
18:49	Krock	oh sorry, I meant 46 fps
18:50	Krock	:3
18:50	BlockMen	Krock, 6fps faster or slower?
18:50	Krock	(no limits)
18:50	SylvieLorxu	>OpenGL 1.4
18:50	SylvieLorxu	>Direct3D9
18:50	SylvieLorxu	Sure, let's compare utterly outdated technology with each other :P
18:50	Krock	BlockMen, [OpenGL 1.4.0] 42 fps, Direct3D9 64 fps
18:50	Krock	*46
18:51	Krock	agh those typs
18:51	PenguinDad	*types :P
18:51	Krock	tyops
18:51	BlockMen	it seems that directx is really a plus on low graphics
18:51	Krock	^false
18:51	Krock	it crashes when too much is loaded
18:51	hoodedice	Wait. I left the foldinghome on
18:51	Krock	(throws Access Violation)
18:52	BlockMen	well, with opengl and dedicated gg opengl is faster
18:52	BlockMen	with onbord graphic its much slower
18:52	Krock	onboard graphics are crap
18:52	hoodedice	Would that have affected the crash?
18:54	Calinou	<BlockMen> it seems that directx is really a plus on low graphics
18:54	Calinou	confirmed on some netbook here, back when it ran WIndows
18:54	Calinou	I don't play Minetest on it anymore
18:54	hoodedice	BlockMen, is it possible to zoom in or out in the third person view?
18:55	Krock	^nope.avi
18:55	Calinou	change game.cpp, hoodedice
18:55	Krock	..or change fov
18:55	hoodedice	Cal, Will take too much time haha
18:55	PenguinDad	Calinou: works perfectly on windows
18:56	sfan5	BlockMen: this is why I want direct3d9 to be default on win(32|64)
18:57	Calinou	oh, it's camera.cpp maybe
18:57	BlockMen	sfan5, no
18:57	Calinou	limited feature set: no shaders
18:57	* Krock	haz directx 10 on windoze xp
18:57	Calinou	more bugs (it's a by-product)
18:57	sfan5	Krock: irrlicht can't even use that
18:57	Calinou	line 385 of camera.cpp
18:57	BlockMen	why do you suggest ppl to have low graphics pcs?
18:57	Krock	sfan5, yeah. :(
18:58	Krock	too bad
18:58	sfan5	BlockMen: maybe not for everyone.. but d3d really improves the speed for me
18:58	BlockMen	it should be an option under settings
18:58	BlockMen	but not default
18:58	BlockMen	directx sucks with dedicated/faster graphics
18:58	sfan5	if you think so
18:58	BlockMen	plus: we have no shaders dor directx currently
18:58	BlockMen	*for
18:59	PenguinDad	!c "directx" > "opengl"
18:59	MinetestBot	False
18:59	hoodedice	Okay, another bug: screenshots are weird
18:59	Calinou	3.2 third person distance looks good
18:59	* Calinou	also disabled damage tilt and timer :D I have damage sound in Carbone anyway
19:00	hoodedice	http://imgur.com/vkM5oa1,0NwkWAm,1Flp8vm#0
19:01	hoodedice	^Click on the images to expand them, they look OK otherwise
19:01	sfan5	hoodedice: http://i.imgur.com/vkM5oa1.png everything white
19:01	MinetestBot	GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix non-smooth non-shader node shading (Fixes #1436, regression by commit a0f78659f31abd) 9b44bbd 2014-07-06T22:01:03+03:00 http://git.io/V5gJRQ
19:02	hoodedice	yes, sfan
19:02	hoodedice	excpet the tree trunk I'm standing next to
19:03	hoodedice	WOuld that commit just now fix this issue? If so, can I get a new build?
19:09	sfan5	hoodedice: no
19:10	sfan5	hoodedice: these weird screenshots were made with an MSVC build, right?
19:11	hoodedice	MinGW
19:11	sfan5	32?
19:11	sfan5	the 64 one didn't work, did it?
19:15	Krock	hmm? all servers are marked with all flags
19:15	Krock	*CDP
19:15	sfan5	no they are not
19:15	sfan5	http://servers.minetest.net/
19:15	Krock	in my build, they are
19:15	sfan5	fix your build then
19:15	Krock	hmm
19:15	Krock	interesting
19:16	Krock	it should get the list file from the same source
19:16	hoodedice	64
19:16	sfan5	hoodedice: it thought it was not working?
19:16	hoodedice	I have tried both the MSVC and MinGW 64 bit
19:16	sfan5	s/it/I/
19:16	hoodedice	Both work
19:16	hoodedice	but MinGW crashed with no logs on clicking "New"
19:16	hoodedice	Both have weird water in screenshot
19:16	sfan5	:O
19:17	hoodedice	But I see no white coloration in MSVC, let me try changing the time
19:17	* Krock	gets an epic white paper when hitting F12 :)
19:18	sfan5	hoodedice: you can restore the screenshot to normal if you put a black layer behind it in gimp
19:19	hoodedice	That's... a surprise
19:20	BlockMen	sfan5, dark grey fits better
19:21	BlockMen	eg #323232
19:21	sfan5	BlockMen: nope, #00000
19:21	BlockMen	sfan5, look at font shadow. its to dark with #000
19:22	hoodedice	Block, if you are messing with my screenie, remember that the text was half disappearing
19:23	sfan5	BlockMen: I don't care about the font, the textures look right with #000
19:23	BlockMen	they do aswell with  #323232. and the font shadow is a perfect indicator to see, that #000 is too dark
19:24	BlockMen	but i dont want hinder you to use #000
19:24	BlockMen	if you like to strong contrast ;)
19:24	hoodedice	block, #404040 ?
19:24	hoodedice	#0000 looks just like in game
19:24	Fusl	umm.... why in the actual f$%k am i reattached here?! O_o
19:24	sfan5	hello Fusl
19:25	hoodedice	eh?
19:25	Fusl	hi sfan5
19:25	Fusl	autoreattach, wtf?! https://www.dropbox.com/s/y4nx7rti7udi4td/Screenshot%202014-07-06%2021.25.14.png
19:25	BlockMen	done with #000 http://i.imgur.com/FMyATwL.png
19:25	BlockMen	notice the font shadow top left corner
19:25	Fusl	aaaah, krøck... ^f... meh
19:26	Krock	^ name detected
19:26	BlockMen	using dark grey makes it look right while textures/sky/etc still look right
19:26	sfan5	BlockMen: can you put #323232 and #000 side by side?
19:26	BlockMen	sfan5, i dont have the "clean" screenshot anymore
19:27	sfan5	:(
19:27	* Krock	throws GUI at Fusl
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19:27	hoodedice	wait, I'll do it
19:28	Fusl	Krock: eww GUI
19:28	PenguinDad	Fusl: weechat or irssi?
19:28	Fusl	weechat
19:28	Fusl	irssi is too minimal for me
19:28	hoodedice	Hmm, in an older MT version, there was no drop shadow on the text
19:29	hoodedice	http://i.imgur.com/eOUeVE4.png
19:29	Fusl	i already kind of killed supermat for suggesting weechat
19:29	BlockMen	it has been added ~ december 13 (font shadow)
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19:29	BlockMen	*s/13/2013
19:30	reactor	We'll be dead by the time four-digit dates become relevant again.
19:30	hoodedice	I see it now (zoom = 500%)
19:32	Calinou	hoodedice, about swearing… I give you a smartwatch.
19:32	hoodedice	?
19:33	Calinou	smar-twat-ch → it frequently gets blocked by swear filters
19:33	Jordach_	hah
19:33	Jordach	fail
19:34	Krock	xD
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19:44	hoodedice	Jordach: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/251
19:44	hoodedice	Think you can fix the legs in 5 days?
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19:45	Jordach	hoodedice, there's a fixed model in the BFD repo
19:45	hoodedice	Well, can you edit the git page so that it points to the fixed model? Also, BlockMen
19:46	BlockMen	huh?
19:47	Jordach	and is b3d, so it's like 1000000x smaller
19:47	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
19:47	Jordach	and b3d is super simple to export to
19:47	hoodedice	Block, Jordac says that he fixed his player model in BFD
19:48	hoodedice	Do you think you can merge it to main?
19:48	jp	VanessaE ?
19:48	BlockMen	if he updates his pull
19:48	* Jordach	sighs
19:48	Jordach	copy paste locally
19:49	Jordach	world
19:49	Jordach	world's simplest operation
19:49	hoodedice	Jordach. Now.
19:50	hoodedice	Don't be lazy
19:50	hoodedice	We devs have loads of stuff to do
19:50	hoodedice	And only 5 devs
19:50	hoodedice	Be a good brit
19:50	hoodedice	(And dump your tes in the Thames)
19:50	hoodedice	*tea
19:50	Jordach	hoodedice, really? instead of asking someone else, i'd go do it, except in certain cases where it might not be interoperable
19:50	Jordach	tl;dr i don't understand nodemeta
19:52	hoodedice	...
19:57	Jordach	hoodedice, you can not take my tea
20:11	LemonLake	Would you consider it odd for a brit to dislike tea?
20:12	PenguinDad	LemonLake: It's not odd but it's not manestream
20:12	LemonLake	Fuck you and your pony puns
20:12	* sfan5	meows at LemonLake
20:13	PenguinDad	*Mainstream
20:13	* LemonLake	meows back
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20:13	reactor	Yeah! Take the lemons
20:13	Lake	you evil bastard
20:14	Lake	return them before I get nickserv'd to hell
20:14	* PenguinDad	rofls
20:15	Lake	this is just harsh
20:16	MinetestBot	GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix client crash on deletion of an object the clients localplayer is attached to 2e19af9 2014-07-06T22:11:21+02:00 http://git.io/eCzU3w
20:16	LemonLake	oh
20:16	LemonLake	I got the lemons
20:16	Lake	u wot mate
20:16	Lake	u wot
20:17	LemonLake	"Received CTCP-VERSION request by Krock" Krock?
20:17	Jordach	LemonLake, seen my new type of nodemesxh
20:17	Lake	that confused me
20:17	Jordach	Lake*
20:17	Lake	oh this hurts
20:17	LemonLake	IT'S ALL REACTOR'S FAULT
20:17	Lake	No, I have not
20:17	LemonLake	Which Lemon, Jordach?
20:18	Lake	MAUHAHAHA
20:18	Lake	BITCH
20:18	LemonLake	I'm sure that's not the real use of the command but it worked
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20:19	LemonLake	Take that.
20:19	hoodedice	*ahem*
20:19	LemonLake	Hm?
20:19	PenguinDad	LemonLake: regain is even better
20:19	LemonLake	I just ghosted. What does regain do?
20:19	hoodedice	Kicking me out of #minetest is okay
20:20	hoodedice	But getting the services to disconnect me is just... harsh.
20:20	LemonLake	Hmph
20:20	LemonLake	But I still wouldn't be able to regain my nick :P
20:23	reactor	It's not my SEGMENTATION FAULT
20:23	hoodedice	!kick reactor *stealing lemons*
20:24	* PenguinDad	throws a Floating Point Exception at reactor
20:24	LemonLake	poor asie
20:24	LemonLake	couldn't handle it
20:24	* reactor	emulates FPU instead
20:24	Jordach	LemonLake, tl;dr made a fully operational MC chest
20:24	LemonLake	oh yeah i saw that
20:25	Jordach	wat
20:26	PenguinDad	Jordach: you mod for mc now!?
20:26	LemonLake	no
20:26	Jordach	PenguinDad, http://youtu.be/wHxo1yDSgeI
20:26	LemonLake	he made a chest in mt that acts like mc chests
20:26	reactor	God damn it, my server is full of fucking imbeciles.
20:28	LemonLake	im addicted to clannad music
20:29	LemonLake	i've listened to the same playlist non-stop since thursday, i think its becoming a real problem
20:29	PilzAdam	!op
20:29	sfan5	LemonLake: FLAC or gtfo
20:29	LemonLake	flac?
20:29	sfan5	!g flc
20:29	MinetestBot	sfan5: http://www.flc.losrios.edu/
20:29		Topic for #minetest is now Latest stable version is 0.4.9, 0.4.10 to be released NOW! | Please be patient, responses may take a while | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | Channel stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html | No unauthorized bots.
20:29	sfan5	!flac
20:29	sfan5	!g flac
20:29	MinetestBot	sfan5: https://xiph.org/flac/
20:29	sfan5	!op
20:29		Topic for #minetest is now Latest stable version is 0.4.9, 0.4.10 to be released RIGHT NOW! | Please be patient, responses may take a while | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | Channel stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html | No unauthorized bots.
20:29	LemonLake	wtf is going on
20:29	reactor	PilzAdam: that doesn't compute.
20:29	LemonLake	what is going on
20:29	LemonLake	shit is going down
20:29	sfan5	LemonLake: basically <celeron55> no, we'll release now
20:30	LemonLake	and uh
20:30	LemonLake	do you want an flac of the songs or something?
20:30	sfan5	no
20:30	sfan5	but flac is superior
20:30	hoodedice	celeron, I don't think client is ready for release
20:31	sfan5	I want you to use flac
20:31	sfan5	hoodedice: why not?
20:31	LemonLake	i literally ripped them from a disc
20:31	SylvieLorxu	FLAC <3
20:31	hoodedice	Because screenshot, a random crash
20:31	hoodedice	And.... I think we haven't tested the rc enough
20:31	PenguinDad	<3 Opus and FLAC
20:32	sfan5	PenguinDad: especially opus
20:33	hoodedice	So...
20:34	hoodedice	Should I tweet it?
20:34	Jordach	i've probably found a really interesting bug
20:34	Jordach	apparently variable_name = minetest.get_nodemeta(pos)
20:34	Jordach	variable_name:set_string(x, "string")
20:35	Jordach	even though those forms already exist
20:35	PilzAdam	isnt it get_meta()?
20:35	sfan5	hoodedice: wait for the actual release
20:35	PilzAdam	releasing can take a while
20:36	Jordach	there, bad_arg to #1
20:36	Jordach	on set_string
20:37	Jordach	there, problem solved
20:37	Jordach	(?)
20:38	Jordach	minetest.get_meta(pos):get_string("lid_state") <- that should work#
20:38	Jordach	sfan5!
20:39	Jordach	your bug catching thing actually gave me the indexing nil
20:39	Jordach	it didn't prevent it, it made it!
20:39	Jordach	there, now it shouldn't shit itself :P
20:40	Jordach	it works!
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20:43	Jordach	ish
20:44	Jordach	(we need bone position interpolation)
20:45	Jordach	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJlDe9fNyvI
20:45	Jordach	IT WORKS!
20:46	Calinou	animation interpolation is still broken, it's said to be a bug in Irrlicht. I tested with 1.8.1, as soon as the value is not zero, all vertices spazz out
20:49	MinetestBot	GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Update version numbers for 0.4.10 96f285f 2014-07-06T22:39:47+02:00 http://git.io/kmg07g
20:50	Krock	^- ?! everything fixed?
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21:01	hoodedice	No.
21:01	PilzAdam	Krock, of course not!
21:02	hoodedice	If it was
21:02	PilzAdam	Minetest wouldn't be Minetest without major bugs at each release :-p
21:02	hoodedice	We would then add another feature into it, creating more bugs
21:02	Krock	...
21:03	hoodedice	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues?milestone=4&amp;state=open
21:03	hoodedice	27 open issues.
21:03	Krock	just removed all 0.4.10 labels and pushed the version
21:03	hoodedice	All pointed at 0.4.11
21:04	hoodedice	In any case, I don't think 0.4.10 is a bad release; it doesn't seem as bad as 0.4.9
21:05	PilzAdam	everything is better than 0.4.9
21:05	hoodedice	^
21:05	Krock	0.4.8 had a short life and 0.4.9 was already there too long...
21:05	PilzAdam	more than half of the devs didn't even know that it was to be released and there was no feature freeze
21:05	Krock	whatever, once, this is required
21:09	Krock	and it's again me with the last word... long silence expected
21:10	Jordach	lol
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21:29	PilzAdam	can a windows user please test the new release? you get a free version! https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/download/untagged-b8f1527f2bb24e88345b/minetest-0.4.10-win32-msvc.zip
21:29	LemonLake	http://i.imgur.com/NAjPBsa.jpg
21:29	Jordach	>404
21:29	LemonLake	timelapse of hundreds of sunsets
21:30	Jordach	PilzAdam, tis a massive 404
21:30	PilzAdam	Jordach, oh damn, then only devs can access that link
21:30	Jordach	you suck
21:30	PilzAdam	BlockMen, can you upload somewhere else too?
21:31	OldCoder	Meowtest 0.4.10 "SEGFAULTY!" is now open for business at sfan5 request. Server minetest.org Port 30018 and direct questions to sfan5. Have fun.
21:31	OldCoder	^ 0.4.10 test world
21:31	reactor	OldCoder: evening!
21:31	OldCoder	reactor, pleased to see you!
21:31	sfan5	PilzAdam: the rc1 builds are practically identical: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=9685
21:31	Jordach	OldCoder, you know how nodes the react to events like chests opening can't be animated?
21:31	PilzAdam	Jordach, ^ (sfan5's link)
21:31	OldCoder	We are to discuss Pripyat reactor soon. You do not need to work on it. I simply need to gather info.
21:31	OldCoder	Jordach, reviewing
21:32	OldCoder	Jordach, I do, now :-) Go on
21:32	reactor	OldCoder: info?
21:32	Jordach	OldCoder, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJlDe9fNyvI
21:32	OldCoder	Jordach, no time for videos
21:32	Jordach	OldCoder, 15 seconds :3
21:32	Jordach	or, if you're in the mood for reading, https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/blob/master/mods/deco/init.lua#L1047-1247
21:32	OldCoder	Jordach, proceeding
21:32	OldCoder	reactor, brb
21:33	OldCoder	Jordach, kk. Are you requesting that I make a change? Or will this be integrated?
21:33	Jordach	OldCoder, i built my own game with experimental stuff
21:33	Jordach	that thing doesn't even work with Minetest Game :3
21:33	OldCoder	reactor, I just want to go through the files you gave me and make sure I've got everything
21:33	OldCoder	Jordach, which thing?
21:34	Jordach	the mesh chest
21:34	OldCoder	Jordach, is there a request for me?
21:34	OldCoder	reactor, PM if you have a minute
21:34	reactor	OldCoder: I'm sure you already have all the files.
21:34	Jordach	no, but there are things that look impossible but are possible :3
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21:34	reactor	The map has been updated again.
21:36	Jordach	BlockMen, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/P-R1md6cMBog.png
21:37	LemonLake	gotta love winfuck
21:37	OldCoder	reactor, see PM
21:38	reactor	yeah, I'm there.
21:38	BlockMen	Jordach, MS sucks
21:38	LemonLake	^
21:38	celeron55	"this publisher didn't pay microsoft money for their worthless app store"
21:39	PilzAdam	at least windows is smart enough to know that you cant run software on it without major security risks
21:39	celeron55	5/5
21:39	Jordach	lol
21:39	Jordach	i deal with that every now and then :P
21:39	Jordach	is like Vista with UAC all over again
21:41	Jordach	sfan5, it works
21:41	sfan5	that is good
21:42	Jordach	the MSVC build anyways
21:43	sfan5	Jordach: could you try the mingw one too?
21:45	Jordach	no
21:46	Jordach	not having to wait three minutes because of peak hour
21:51	hoodedice	Jordach: WHY ARE YOU STILL ON 8?!
21:52	Jordach	hoodedice, i disabled the start button as i hated using it
21:52	* hoodedice	uses the desktop as a working folder
21:52	hoodedice	*and the Start screen as a desktop
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22:08	hoodedice	ping me when 0.4.10 is out
22:08	MinetestBot	GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix regression in leveldb backend e14c4cd 2014-07-07T00:06:06+02:00 http://git.io/66kjMQ
22:19	OldCoder	Jordach, did you wish for me to host the _game? I am not clear on the request
22:19	Jordach	OldCoder, no, it's still unstable in places
22:24	LemonLake	gonna sleep now
22:24	LemonLake	gnight fellas
22:26	OldCoder	Jordach, kk
22:56		Topic for #minetest is now Latest stable version is 0.4.10 | Please be patient, responses may take a while | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | Channel stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html | No unauthorized bots.
22:56	sfan5	!deop sfan5
22:56	* sfan5	finally goes to sleep
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23:02	MinetestBot	GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/master-server: Fix some startup options being reset 546a2be 2014-07-06T19:00:33-04:00 http://git.io/8D8rNw
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23:13	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Merge pull request #47 from cyisfor/master https:/ 2014-07-06T19:11:23-04:00 http://git.io/hr7LEQ
23:13	MinetestBot	GIT: whatever commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Improved stacking https:/ 2014-06-30T16:14:14-07:00 http://git.io/SoWrmw
23:13	MinetestBot	GIT: whatever commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Randomized set https:/ 2014-06-30T16:13:44-07:00 http://git.io/wRkMQw
23:15	hoodedice	no one pinged? HOW BAD
23:22	ecutruin	Looking at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJlDe9fNyvI , I wish there was a means to animate that a bit better, so there is no glitchiness, anyone got any ideas?
23:22	hoodedice	!tell BlockMen Need to edit Wiki main page to reflect latest Minetest Version
23:22	MinetestBot	hoodedice: I'll pass that on when BlockMen is around
23:22	BlockMen	im still there
23:27	hoodedice	thanks
23:33	hoodedice	bbl
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23:39	Jordach	i have not been hacking the source
23:39	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/-GVRm-2__-LS.png
23:40	BlockMen	#minetest+^ :P
23:40	ecutruin	I could think of so much we could do with the hybrid node concept, Jordach, if we could just get animations sorted out.
23:41	BlockMen	Jordach, but i prefer this sort fields too
23:41	BlockMen	and good n8t everyone
23:42	MinetestBot	GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Documentation for `//stack2`, code style fixes, add author section to README. https:/ 2014-07-06T19:42:02-04:00 http://git.io/NltM7Q
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23:58	VanessaE	Well, 0.4.10 is out.  yay.
23:59	Taoki	Yep... just noticed. Was sad about it taking another week, glad it could be today
23:59	ecutruin	VanessaE, got any ideas to fix the glitchiness in Jordach's video?
23:59	Taoki	Lots of awesome changes since 4.9... so this should make a lot of people happy
23:59	VanessaE	ecutruin: he sid he could do it with node timers.  idk.
23:59	VanessaE	Taoki: and lots of awesome bugs too :-/

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