IRC log for #minetest, 2014-07-05

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05:36	emerge	hello
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05:38	emerge	I need some help. How do I get a list of nodes in a given group?
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05:44	nore	emerge, you can go through the entire list on nodes, and keep only the ones in the group (nodedef.groups.<your group here>)
05:45	sfan5	meow
05:45	sfan5	hi everyone
05:46	emerge	nore, thank you. I'll try it.
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06:08	emerge	nore, it works, but don't show all the nodes.
06:08	nore	what do you mean?
06:10	emerge	I do "for _,nodedef in pairs(minetest.registered_items) do print(nodedef.name) end" and it prints only 4 nodes.
06:11	emerge	looks like I somehow should iterate all nodes in the end
06:11	emerge	because these 4 nodes are defined before
06:13	kaeza	depending on your needs, you may want to build your list in a `minetest.after' callback, which is guaranteed to be called after all nodes have been regitered
06:13	kaeza	+s
06:14	kaeza	unless of course you need the list at load time
06:15	emerge	I want to register nodes based on nodes in group.
06:16	emerge	Well, if there's no way to use groups, I can use custom functions.
06:18	nore	first, I guess you need to use minetest.registered_nodes
06:19	nore	and IIRC, it is possible to register nodes after load time
06:19	nore	but it's not advised
06:20	sfan5	it should work if you register the nodes before the first person joins
06:21	sfan5	but the textures might not get transferred to the client
06:21	sfan5	it would probably work to register some dummy nodes with the textures you want to use at load time
06:21	emerge	nore, minetest.registered_nodes is same as minetest.registered_items, afaik
06:22	nore	perhaps it is, I'm not sure
06:22	kahrl	sfan5: iirc the server sends all texture/media files to the client
06:22	emerge	What's iirc?
06:22	kahrl	without checking if they are used in some node or item
06:22	kahrl	if i remember correctly
06:22	kaeza	Internet Internet Relay Chat
06:22	kaeza	<_<
06:22	kahrl	>_>
06:23	emerge	v_v
06:23	sfan5	<_<
06:24	kahrl	sfan5: it makes sense, too, because the item definitions could contain any combination of textures (e.g. texture1.png^texture2.png) and the parsing code for this stuff is only on the client
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06:25	sfan5	yeah
06:25	sfan5	you're right
06:25	sfan5	I just looked in the code
06:25	Eater4	How do I set a game path?
06:25	sfan5	--gameid
06:25	sfan5	e.g. --gameid carbone
06:26	emerge	It works with minetest.after, yay.
06:26	Eater4	No like a legit path
06:26	sfan5	the game needs to be in <share path>/games/
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06:26	sfan5	I don't think that is possible
06:26	Eater4	I don't see it there
06:26	sfan5	you need to copy/move it there
06:26	Eater4	It isn't in /usr/share/minetest
06:27	sfan5	/usr/share/minetest/games
06:27	Eater4	nothing is in minetest
06:27	emerge	--world will do a legit path
06:27	kaeza	~/.minetest ?
06:27	Eater4	nope
06:27	Eater4	minetest is empty
06:27	sfan5	how did you install minetest?
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06:28	Eater4	I installed it first RUN_IN_PLACE. But then I remade it after to RUNINPLACE = 0
06:28	sfan5	you did not install it correctly then
06:29	emerge	why not use --world?
06:29	Eater4	That's diffrent
06:29	kaeza	emerge, world != game
06:29	emerge	oh
06:29	emerge	ok
06:29	emerge	sorry then
06:30	Eater4	then there should be to copy's of minetest_game somewhere
06:30	Eater4	2*
06:30	sfan5	did you do "make install"?
06:31	Eater4	I think so, I don't remember
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06:32	sfan5	do it again just in case
06:32	Eater4	Ok....
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06:34	Eater4	make install? Right into the prompt?
06:34	sfan5	no
06:34	sfan5	cd into the directory where you built minetest firswt
06:34	sfan5	first*
06:35	Eater4	The very first time
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06:36	Eater4	Ik minetest is in the run in place directory
06:36	Eater4	The game is there too
06:36	Eater4	It isn't in the not run in place directory
06:36	sfan5	then recompile minetest with RUN_IN_PLACE=1
06:37	Eater4	And the last time I checked....
06:38	Eater4	The mods from minetest game are still running
06:39	Eater4	So are you telling that when I maked it again it did not add those files
06:39	sfan5	you need to run make install
06:39	Eater4	Made*
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06:58	Zeno`	Eater4, after you run cmake, paste the output somewhere
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06:58	Zeno`	or better still, as a start, paste how you're running cmake somewhere
07:02	khonkhortisan	I recommend cmake-gui
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08:38	celeron55	i'm trying to compare carbone and minetest_next
08:38	celeron55	why don't carbone's chests work at all for me?
08:39	celeron55	this makes no sense
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08:51	nman3600	Hi
08:51	nman3600	http://strawpoll.me/2050009/
08:51	nman3600	Please vote on it.
08:57	MinetestBot	GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Remove FPS from being next to the version string 2fee2ba 2014-07-05T11:55:13+03:00 http://git.io/4H6P_Q
09:00	nman3600	If you voted other on my poll please tell me what "other one" it is
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09:06	Calinou	useless poll :(
09:06	Calinou	can't you choose by yourself?
09:06	Calinou	even our politicians do decision taking better
09:07	Calinou	anyway: underground is the best place, it's easier to access and almost impossible to spot
09:07	Calinou	even better is underwater (go to an ocean, dig down, start digging your base under the ocean)
09:07	Calinou	use a torch to block the water
09:13	nman3600	Calinou, Good idea. I've been trying to chose myself but each one has a problem.
09:13	Zeno`	celeron55, I liked it
09:14	nore	Calinou, the best is to use mesecons to make an invisible entrance
09:14	nore	then you can build it anywhere
09:15	Calinou	Zeno`, I appreciate that change, I always have 60 FPS :p
09:15	Calinou	so, no need to know FPS, except for debugging (F5)
09:15	Zeno`	true
09:15	Calinou	I don't need you need to know FPS unless you're tweaking graphic settings around anyway
09:16	Zeno`	but can't it be moved to show next to the version if f5 is selected?
09:16	Zeno`	without the graphs I mean
09:17	Calinou	if you press F5 once, no graphs show
09:17	Calinou	twice, graphs show
09:17	Zeno`	surely it should be a part of debug info
09:17	Zeno`	that commit above removes it completely
09:17	Calinou	you can know your FPS using drawtime anyway
09:18	Zeno`	multiply drawtime by 4?
09:18	Calinou	1000 / drawtime
09:19	Calinou	eg. 1000 / 50 = 20 FPS
09:19	Calinou	drawtime ignores FPS limit
09:19	Calinou	Zeno`, I still have FPS when pressing F5 here
09:19	PenguinDad	Zeno`: it is a part of debug info
09:20	Calinou	Zeno`, as long as your drawtime stays below 16, you'll have 60 FPS; the lower the drawtime, the easier it is for your PC to handle 60 FPS ;)
09:20	Calinou	it's between 7 and 12 here
09:20	Zeno`	I haven't compiled after that commit but I can't see where the code was replaced (I've only looked at that one commit message though)
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09:21	Zeno`	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/2fee2baf98cd452f7d0e4acb6c82617b7c7b995a
09:21	Zeno`	it was removed but not added back into debug info afaikc from that commit
09:22	PenguinDad	Zeno`: it wasn't removed from debug info
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09:24	PenguinDad	Zeno`: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/game.cpp#L3204
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09:26	Eater4	This upcoming versoin kills tablets right?9
09:26	Eater4	?
09:26	Zeno`	gosh, no wonder I missed it
09:26	Zeno`	thanks PD
09:26	Calinou	kills tablets?
09:27	Eater4	not kill, I meant (is not going to be compatible with tablets)
09:27	jp	"thanks PD" :))
09:27	Zeno`	yeah, PenguinDad is too hard to type
09:27	nman3600	It seems everybody wants my secret base built in a mountain
09:27	Zeno`	so he is now known as PD
09:27	Calinou	no idea what â€œPDâ€Â was
09:28	jp	Just funny
09:28	Calinou	nman3600, not the best idea
09:28	PenguinDad	PD means Public Domain too
09:28	Calinou	easier for cheaters to detect
09:28	Calinou	PenguinDad, that's what I thought
09:28	Zeno`	Context, context, context
09:29	nman3600	Calinou, Inside a mountain with no outside entrance. I'll make the outside look as real as possible (I'll set a travel net to the inside of the mountain.
09:29	nman3600	)
09:31	Zeno`	the_game()
09:31	Zeno`	longest function in history
09:31	Eater4	std...
09:32	Eater4	Zeno`: lol
09:32	Calinou	I'm sure some projects have longer stuff, Zeno`
09:34	jp	Calinou : you can make bright some ores (ony the ores) inlaid in the stone ?
09:34	jp	only*
09:34	Calinou	ores that emit light are possible
09:35	jp	Not the stone eh, just the ores.
09:35	nman3600	Still possible I think
09:35	Zeno`	Calinou, possibly
09:35	Calinou	jp, not possible
09:35	Calinou	glowmaps are not supported in Minetest, sadly
09:36	Calinou	would have been very useful
09:36	jp	Pity...
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09:42	Zeno`	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/game.cpp#L3503
09:42	Zeno`	so hard to understand
09:55	nman3600	I still need votes, http://strawpoll.me/2050009/
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09:57	LemonLake	I now prefer GIMP over Photoshop.
09:58	LemonLake	It took a while for that to happen, but it's happened.
09:58	LemonLake	The airbrush is way better and Smooth Stroke just wins it for me.
09:58	LemonLake	Paths also work so much better.
10:01	* PenguinDad	hugs LemonLake
10:02	Calinou	<LemonLake> I now prefer GIMP over Photoshop.
10:02	* Calinou	nods
10:02	LemonLake	Yeah, it took a while :P
10:02	Calinou	or, better since it's #minetest
10:02	* Calinou	nodes
10:02	LemonLake	you and your shitty puns :P
10:02	Calinou	<LemonLake> Paths also work so much better.
10:02	Calinou	I used paths to fake drawing on a scanned paper
10:02	LemonLake	I use paths to make vectors.
10:02	Calinou	looks like actual drawing of lines, even dashed lines
10:03	LemonLake	The only problem with gimp paths is that they don't work like shapes, but they're just things that you can fill/strokre.
10:03	Calinou	you can draw a line
10:03	LemonLake	Though I kind of like it like that, too
10:03	Calinou	for vector stuffâ€¦ use Inkscape
10:04	* nman3600	tools
10:04	* nman3600	items
10:04	LemonLake	Nah
10:04	LemonLake	I prefer gimp because of the range of other tools
10:04	LemonLake	They work much better than PS and IS
10:05	LemonLake	https://mediacru.sh/1MCu29JBWCG5 That, with exception of the eyes which is done with an airbrush, consists of 96 paths
10:05	Calinou	Inkscape is a true vector tool, GIMP is raster
10:05	LemonLake	I prefer raster, actually
10:05	Calinou	limited definition :/
10:06	LemonLake	Limited definition?
10:06	Calinou	resolution
10:06	Calinou	vectors can be rendered to any resolution
10:06	LemonLake	Correct.
10:07	nman3600	Bumb: http://strawpoll.me/2050009/
10:07	nman3600	Please vote
10:07	LemonLake	But I prefer raster, because unlike vectors, you can achieve post-effects on-site.
10:07	LemonLake	nman, please don't spam, this is an IRC channel where usually only 3 people are active at once at this time
10:07	PenguinDad	Viva la rÃ©solution!
10:07	LemonLake	Calinou, to get high resolutions, just work in a very high resolution. Scale down/zoom as necessary.
10:08	asie	LemonLake: not everyone has a good enough computer
10:09	LemonLake	I usually work in wallpaper style
10:09	Calinou	LemonLake, inefficient, big file size :P
10:09	LemonLake	So I go no more than 4k.
10:09	sfan5	LemonLake: but 8K displays...
10:09	asie	also LemonLake that's neat
10:09	LemonLake	Yep, but I just ship a 1080p jpg with tiny compression.
10:09	Calinou	3840 Ã— 2160 is Ultra HD, not 4K, 4K is 4096 Ã— 2160
10:09	asie	but the gradient on the eyes bothers me
10:09	Calinou	2:1, very uncommon ratio ;)
10:09	asie	very very heavily
10:09	asie	it's too dense at the inner part
10:09	LemonLake	Too dense?
10:09	asie	yes, the change is too quick and not gradual enough
10:09	sfan5	LemonLake: 2160p or actual 4K?
10:09	LemonLake	Okay.
10:09	asie	also it's too "smooth" compared to the rest of the art
10:10	LemonLake	2160p.
10:10	asie	but that's just my opinion
10:10	LemonLake	Yeah, I was hesitant to add eyes but because of the characters I felt it was ultimately necessary
10:10	asie	wish i could draw sometimes
10:15	LemonLake	asie: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/T72C4714gn9k.png
10:16	LemonLake	better?
10:16	asie	LemonLake: not sure.
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10:32	Hirato	what have you done
10:32	MinetestBot	GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix typos in doc/lua-api.txt 5f9962e 2014-07-05T12:19:55+02:00 http://git.io/VONYEA
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10:55	nman3600	Hello lemonlake_
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11:23	Jordach	http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/29vrkp/cant_run_minecraft_made_my_own/ciozegx
11:23	Jordach	tl;dr CAUGHT RED HANDED
11:24	sfan5	oh god
11:24	sfan5	did that just really happen?
11:24	Jordach	yes it did
11:25	Jordach	this explains why we were being copied
11:25	Jordach	>custom block models >nodeboxes
11:27	Jordach	Minetest in /r/minecraft (I REALLY need to smoke a phat one)
11:28	* sfan5	throws /r/Minetest at Jordach
11:31	sfan5	https://pay.reddit.com/r/Minetest/ could use some lovew
11:31	sfan5	-w
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11:34	Jordach	pay.reddit ?
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11:37	* PenguinDad	just noticed what the Fourth of July is
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11:40	sfan5	Jordach: ability to use https on redit
11:40	sfan5	reddit*
11:40	Jordach	AH
11:45	markv	Hi!
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12:59	PenguinDad	Mew used mew. It's super effective!
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13:03	MinetestBot	GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/master-server: Highlight the hovered entry in very light gray 9b393da 2014-07-05T14:55:59+02:00 http://git.io/1b5o6A
13:03	MinetestBot	GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/master-server: Add note that 'ALLOW_UPDATE_WITHOUT_OLD' causes problems f684692 2014-07-03T19:01:18+02:00 http://git.io/0JIMHg
13:03	MinetestBot	GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/master-server: Add 'ALLOW_UPDATE_WITHOUT_OLD' config option b6cae2f 2014-07-03T19:01:18+02:00 http://git.io/Ovt98Q
13:03	sfan5	oh god wtf
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13:04	LemonLake	sfan5: i may have been a bit rumb
13:04	LemonLake	dumb*
13:04	LemonLake	see, this xcf takes ~6 seconds to save
13:04	LemonLake	and i was about to restart, then did a quick save just before restarting. i forgot it took 6 seconds.
13:04	LemonLake	so now i've lost half the image :/
13:05	sfan5	:(
13:05	LemonLake	luckily most layers that were lost were just references
13:05	LemonLake	though the proportions are slightly incorrect, so i have to shuffle things around to fix it
13:08	MinetestBot	GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/master-server: Use 'display' instead of 'visibility' to prevent the page from having white space at the bottom 6c3d50f 2014-07-05T15:06:05+02:00 http://git.io/1BIZwA
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14:01	LemonLake	sfan5: did I do it right? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/xCRTALYoutRp.png
14:02	LemonLake	mainly tomoya's eyes
14:02	sfan5	yep
14:02	LemonLake	:D I'm getting the hang of this eye thing
14:02	sfan5	the main thing is: you can draw
14:02	sfan5	you can actually draw
14:02	sfan5	while everyone else can't
14:02	LemonLake	:P
14:03	LemonLake	it's mostly just a hobby
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14:08	LemonLake	whoa
14:08	LemonLake	that image contains 146 paths and 52 layers
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14:42	LemonLake	Yes?
14:43	sfan5	meow :3
14:44	LemonLake	meow
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15:20	Jordach	RealBadAngel, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djbq3tiMbYM
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15:20	LemonLake	cool
15:20	LemonLake	yes
15:20	LemonLake	nice
15:20	Rhy5	Hello
15:20	Rhy5	:D
15:20	Jordach	they are height limited on purpose :P
15:20	LemonLake	i thought that was intended
15:21	LemonLake	you fill it in and it goes to the next one up
15:21	Jordach	BuildCraft is unlimited
15:21	Rhy5	Sorry to bother you guys, on about the game or mod?
15:21	Jordach	(tanks are, mine are limited by physics, but you can always make filling platforms)
15:21	Jordach	Rhy5, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djbq3tiMbYM
15:21	Rhy5	Ah, thanks.
15:22	LemonLake	You joined literally after he posted the link
15:22	Rhy5	Lemon, haha :)
15:22	Rhy5	Jordach, very nice indeed.
15:22	Jordach	however, it'll kill it's filling loop - one the condition that the node above is not in the tanks nodespace
15:23	Rhy5	So, I assume it's BuildCraft mod?
15:23	Jordach	Rhy5, that's part of BFD
15:23	Rhy5	Right.
15:23	Jordach	(i needed a way to store liquids visually without chests)
15:24	LemonLake	Nice to see glasslike_framed being used well
15:24	PenguinDad	TIL minetest-classic gets worse with every version
15:24	LemonLake	??
15:24	Jordach	LemonLake, that's a nodebox
15:24	Jordach	NODEBOX!
15:24	LemonLake	ah
15:25	Rhy5	Node with a box on top :)
15:25	Jordach	i ain't using RBA's bad tanks code
15:25	LemonLake	fancy texture hacking
15:25	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/mLOsSsnZ4_l2.png
15:25	Rhy5	Jordach, haha, I see why. :)
15:25	LemonLake	um
15:25	Rhy5	Do you know when you open a chest, what is the inventory that appears?
15:26	LemonLake	with glasslike_framed its just a byte
15:26	Rhy5	What is it called exactly?
15:26	LemonLake	it shows main
15:26	LemonLake	node;main
15:26	Jordach	LemonLake, but with how i did it you can use different types of nodebox
15:26	Jordach	just just a cube
15:26	Jordach	(you can even have barrels)
15:26	LemonLake	with glasslike_framed you dont even need a nodebox
15:26	Jordach	LemonLake, 1) it looks like shit
15:26	Jordach	2) no user expandibility
15:27	Rhy5	Hmm, I'm wanting to create a node;main for a mod I want to make. Somehow, I want to make a crafting table, but only certain crafts can only be crafted in that crafting table, not normal crafting.
15:27	LemonLake	Okay, that's not exactly what it is :P
15:27	LemonLake	You'll want an inventory, a formspec, and a way to make your own crafting.
15:27	Rhy5	About the limit to only using that crafting table though?
15:27	sfan5	Jordach: why not declare bfd ready to be bundled with MT?
15:28	LemonLake	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3465 That would be useful to create your own recipe method.
15:28	Jordach	sfan5, because 0.4 and it's buggy as fuck in places
15:28	Rhy5	Thanks LemonLake
15:28	Rhy5	Jordach, +1
15:28	LemonLake	But you'll need your own formspec.
15:28	LemonLake	And an inventory.
15:28	Jordach	Rhy5, use the Terraria method - just have the materials and you're able to make it
15:28	Jordach	no guides - nothing :3
15:28	LemonLake	I'm actually a fan of the terraria method
15:29	Rhy5	Jordach, I might do that for a seperate mod later, but not the mod I have in head.
15:29	LemonLake	It's very unique
15:29	Rhy5	And very helpful.
15:29	Jordach	LemonLake, MC360 does the same thing :P
15:29	LemonLake	MC360? wasdat
15:29	Jordach	XBLA MC
15:29	* ecutruin	wants to do no crafting GUI at all. ^-~
15:29	LemonLake	Yes, but you can see the recipes.
15:29	LemonLake	Well, the items you can make
15:29	LemonLake	They're just greyed out
15:29	Rhy5	Jordach, the terraria method is beyond my knowledge of modding, maybe you can do it? :)
15:30	LemonLake	I'm happy to make one.
15:30	LemonLake	But I don't see the point of making one.
15:30	Jordach	basically shapeless without having to do the shapeless part :)
15:30	LemonLake	That's more game-level than mod-level.
15:30	Rhy5	Lemon, definetly don't want it implemented to the engine either.
15:31	Rhy5	Maybe a craft guide implemented via default craft would be nice, but not shapeless crafting :)
15:31	LemonLake	Ummm...why?
15:31	LemonLake	The terraria method is practically just shapeless.
15:31	LemonLake	Then it loops through all crafting recipes, checks if you have the items and then shows them.
15:31	Rhy5	I mean, have the normal crafting, with a craft guide next to it.
15:32	LemonLake	unified_inventory
15:32	Rhy5	But a simpler version of ui.
15:32	Calinou	pen<Rhy5> Hmm, I'm wanting to create a node;main for a mod I want to make. Somehow, I want to make a crafting table, but only certain crafts can only be crafted in that crafting table, not normal crafting.
15:32	Calinou	make it larger
15:32	LemonLake	There's a mod that does that, forgot the name.
15:32	Calinou	that's what darkrose's 4 Ã— 4 and 5 Ã— 5 workbench mod did
15:32	PenguinDad	wtf is the terraria at all
15:32	Calinou	<Jordach> Rhy5, use the Terraria method - just have the materials and you're able to make it
15:32	PenguinDad	+ method
15:32	Calinou	I would have liked that in Minetest
15:33	Calinou	you get to choose from a bunch of items using only material count
15:33	Rhy5	Indeed.
15:33	Calinou	PenguinDad, eg. you want to craft 1 wooden pick. you put 2 sticks and 3 wooden planks, you can choose between wooden pick and wooden axe
15:33	* Jordach	wonders if paramat can make a Terraria like mapgen
15:33	Rhy5	But, I'm wanting to do ANOTHER mod ;)
15:33	Rhy5	Can't believe Minetest is turning into Terraria.
15:33	Rhy5	Sorry c55 ;)
15:33	LemonLake	umm
15:33	LemonLake	what?
15:34	LemonLake	that was weird.
15:34	LemonLake	i dont even have a clue what just happened
15:35	Calinou	such a thing is also used by Minecraft PE and on the xbox
15:35	Calinou	it's easier to use and less confusing to newbies, making the game easier to introduce to people probably
15:36	PenguinDad	The terraria method of crafting is the worst method I could have imagined
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15:37	RealBadAngel	Jordach, nice attempt, but not even close to my "bad" tanks ;)
15:37	RealBadAngel	sorry :)
15:37	LemonLake	<Rhy5> Can't believe Minetest is turning into Terraria.
15:37	LemonLake	nobody ever said that.
15:39	Jordach	ok, that works
15:39	RealBadAngel	Jordach, make a tank like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQ--DOaEHI
15:39	RealBadAngel	with so short code:
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15:40	LemonLake	as i said, glasslike_framed is so much better than nodeboxes
15:40	LemonLake	beats them anyday
15:41	RealBadAngel	http://pastebin.com/D2cRDSbR
15:41	RealBadAngel	not to mention it has 64 liquid levels possible :P
15:41	Jordach	okay, that's working
15:41	LemonLake	+RBA
15:41	Calinou	LemonLake, it can't replace everything nodeboxes do; also, glasslike_framed is dynamic
15:42	Jordach	with meshnodes make that infinite
15:42	RealBadAngel	Jordach, ofc
15:42	Calinou	(by the way: can you make it so that the frame and the node itself use different textures? I want to be able to make â€œconnectedâ€Â glass)
15:42	Calinou	seamless glass, borders only where appropriate
15:42	RealBadAngel	Calinou, no problem
15:42	RealBadAngel	its done that way
15:42	LemonLake	isn't that the purpose of it?
15:42	RealBadAngel	1st texture is for frame
15:43	RealBadAngel	2nd (and 3rd and 4th if supported) are for glass
15:43	LemonLake	^
15:43	RealBadAngel	if just 2nd is here, it is used for all the faces
15:44	RealBadAngel	when 3 are here, 2nd is for sides, 3rd = top, 4th bottom
15:44	markv	Hi
15:44	RealBadAngel	special_tiles[0] is the interior
15:44	RealBadAngel	and it can be animated or not
15:44	Calinou	thanks RealBadAngel
15:44	Calinou	interior? O_o
15:44	RealBadAngel	interior volume
15:45	RealBadAngel	it can be liquid or something else
15:45	RealBadAngel	like stone for example
15:45	LemonLake	you can use param2 to control it
15:46	RealBadAngel	param2 MSB -> LSB 7 - disable vertical mergeing, 6 - disable horizontal mergeing, 5 -0 interior volume
15:47	LemonLake	its so handy
15:50	RealBadAngel	with 0.4.10 out i will make special tiles to be also 6 elements as regular tiles are
15:50	RealBadAngel	switcheable by a param
15:50	RealBadAngel	so interior could be a chest for example
15:51	RealBadAngel	but that change requires protocol bump
15:51	RealBadAngel	also, furnaces or all two stated nodes will become dead simple
15:51	RealBadAngel	and one def
15:51	RealBadAngel	with just a flag to set which tiles to use
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15:54	RealBadAngel	propably i will add next param to control that behavoiur
15:55	markv	I wonder if i can request a picture of a chunk of the earth to be taken by sattelite
15:56	LemonLake	what do you mean?
16:00	Jordach	PilzAdam, what's the difference between break and return
16:00	PilzAdam	!pil Jordach
16:00	MinetestBot	Jordach, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
16:00	PilzAdam	:-p
16:00	Jordach	PilzAdam, googling doesn't help
16:00	LemonLake	break just exits a loop
16:00	LemonLake	return exits a function
16:00	PilzAdam	break breaks a loop, return returns from a function
16:01	Jordach	PilzAdam, the most upper loop, eg the second for loop in a for loop
16:01	Jordach	then i'm doing it wrong
16:01	PilzAdam	Jordach, open any programming book every written about any programming language ever invented and youll find break and return
16:01	LemonLake	^
16:01	PilzAdam	-y
16:02	PilzAdam	if used in a nested loop, break breaks the innermost loop
16:02	Jordach	which means the nested or original
16:02	LemonLake	say you have "for, for, for, break end, end, end"
16:02	Calinou	<Jordach> PilzAdam, googling doesn't help
16:02	Calinou	it never does
16:02	Jordach	LemonLake, yes
16:03	LemonLake	the third for loop will be broken
16:03	Jordach	right
16:03	LemonLake	the second and first will stay
16:04	Jordach	so for i=1,16 do if x == true then print x break end if y == true then print y end
16:04	Jordach	so the if statement dies but not the for loop
16:05	LemonLake	the for loop dies
16:05	LemonLake	an if statement != a loop
16:05	Jordach	if else?
16:05	LemonLake	break affects while loops and for loops
16:06	Jordach	right
16:06	LemonLake	there is no reason to break from an if statement
16:07	Jordach	if there are if statements below it
16:07	LemonLake	...
16:08	LemonLake	there's a fancy thing
16:08	LemonLake	it's called if/else
16:08	LemonLake	are you new to programming? this is beginner-level
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16:09	PilzAdam	this is tough
16:09	PilzAdam	even LemonLake is making fun of you
16:09	PilzAdam	:-p
16:09	Jordach	PilzAdam, i haven't Lua'd in ages
16:10	LemonLake	this isn't just lua
16:10	LemonLake	this is 98% of all programming languages ever
16:11	* Jordach	got it working, but now deals with content_ignore again
16:12	PenguinDad	Jordach: just ignore content_ignore :P
16:12	Jordach	tl;dr i was using a non existing node
16:13	LemonLake	<PilzAdam> even LemonLake is making fun of you
16:13	LemonLake	can you please explain?
16:13	PilzAdam	it was meant as an insult against you
16:14	LemonLake	ah, so im bad too? sounds about right
16:22	Jordach	hmm
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16:45	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30001
16:45	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30001 is up (582ms)
16:45	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
16:45	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (233ms)
16:45	Megaf	http://servers.minetest.net/ not working again
16:46	Megaf	Or maybe it's just a little slow]
16:48	sfan5	Megaf: https://github.com/minetest/master-server/issues/1
16:51	Calinou	Jordach, I like the new chests, but they use a lot of nodeboxes
16:51	Calinou	I would rather use a cubic lock on the texture, to make them use less nodeboxes
16:51	Calinou	with something like that, you could get away with only 2 nodeboxes
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16:57	RealBadAngel	Calinou, with chests i would rather wait for meshes
16:57	RealBadAngel	it will be simpler and nicer then
16:57	Calinou	meh, animation isn't too important and requires on_rightclick code
16:58	Calinou	there's nothing wrong with using nodeboxes
16:58	RealBadAngel	but some miss chest open animation :)
16:58	Calinou	it's overrated
16:59	Calinou	especially if you play an annoying sound each time a chest is opened
16:59	RealBadAngel	but still nice eye candy ;)
16:59	ecutruin	I want much more eye candy. ^-~
16:59	ecutruin	I also, as mentioned in the PM want better entity prediciton client-side.. (and pitch/roll for entities would be nice too).
17:01	PenguinDad	As long as animated chests don't get into carbone I have no problem with mechnodes
17:01	PenguinDad	*meshnodes
17:01	ecutruin	I may actually start making things for MT one we have both of those though.. ^-~ Animated blocks = <3 and being able to at least move entities without issues like with V's pipes.. I'd be able to do a lot with those alone.
17:02	ecutruin	PenguinDad, I'm curious why you dislike animated blocks. o.o;
17:02	Calinou	meshnodes sounds like â€œmushroomsâ€ to me
17:02	Calinou	<ecutruin> I also, as mentioned in the PM want better entity prediciton client-side.. (and pitch/roll for entities would be nice too).
17:02	Calinou	pitch seems to require a large engine change, but would be useful, in addition to yaw/pitch change interpolation
17:02	* ecutruin	nods.
17:03	* Calinou	nodes. ;)
17:03	* sfan5	items
17:05	LemonLake	ecutruin: http://www.pramworld.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/c/icandy-peach-2-carrycot-black-magic_1.jpg
17:05	* ecutruin	laughs.
17:10	LemonLake	still can't believe that this: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/xCRTALYoutRp.png
17:10	LemonLake	is 52 layers
17:11	ecutruin	Hehe.
17:11	LemonLake	that's 2 days of work
17:12	LemonLake	and i still have a body, an entirely other character + dangos + a background to do
17:12	ecutruin	Very nice.
17:12	RealBadAngel	Calinou, in fact everythin visible are meshes
17:13	RealBadAngel	point is to allow models to be nodes
17:14	LemonLake	ã ã‚“ã” å¤§å®¶æ—
17:14	LemonLake	<3
17:14	RealBadAngel	http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o73/Azail/Combiner.png
17:15	RealBadAngel	like here ;)
17:15	LemonLake	uwot
17:15	LemonLake	what kind of abomination is this
17:15	LemonLake	how many people must i kill to make sure that this never occurs
17:16	LemonLake	sfan5: i completely underestimated japanese, i thought I knew all the alphabet but then i forgot...kanji
17:16	sfan5	you can't know all kanji
17:16	LemonLake	well hey, i know katakana and hirigana
17:16	RealBadAngel	thats 300 dwarves displyaed at the same time, using mesh combiner
17:16	LemonLake	i suppose that's good enough
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17:16	LemonLake	ill of course need to learn quite a bit of kanji, too, probably grade 1 and 2
17:16	sfan5	LemonLake: I think you should at least know the kanji for cat
17:17	Calinou	<RealBadAngel> point is to allow models to be nodes
17:17	Calinou	how easy is this?
17:17	LemonLake	how do you write kanji with mozc?
17:17	sfan5	LemonLake: tab kery
17:17	sfan5	-r
17:18	LemonLake	ã®tãµã‰ã£ã‰ã†ãƒã‚“ï½‡
17:18	LemonLake	whoa
17:18	LemonLake	not following
17:18	LemonLake	left mozc on :P
17:18	sfan5	çŒ«
17:18	PenguinDad	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/SglcJCVnxxH_.png random color glass frames in carbone \o/
17:18	sfan5	^ that was: neko <tab> <return>
17:19	LemonLake	ã‚ï½ˆ
17:19	LemonLake	ah, pressing tab just closes it for me
17:19	LemonLake	i have to do neko <return> <return>
17:19	LemonLake	ãã“
17:19	LemonLake	dafuq
17:19	sfan5	????
17:19	LemonLake	this thing is taking the piss, hold up
17:20	LemonLake	ah, i see. I gotta get a better IRC client
17:20	LemonLake	uwotm8
17:20	sfan5	meow
17:21	LemonLake	for me in xchat, pressing tab erases the message and goes to the nicklist
17:21	LemonLake	rarely return x2 works
17:21	sfan5	not for me
17:21	sfan5	çŒ«ã®ç›®
17:21	sfan5	lol
17:22	sfan5	mozc even has completion results for white cat
17:22	LemonLake	s/nicklist/chanlist
17:22	sfan5	ah wait
17:23	sfan5	ç™½ was white, ç›® seems to mean "eye"
17:29	LemonLake	Whatkey would you recommend?
17:29	LemonLake	I'm changing the tab key
17:31	sfan5	I'd reccommend tab
17:31	sfan5	-c
17:31	LemonLake	I can't use tab
17:31	PenguinDad	LemonLake: maybe Ctrl-Shift-Tab
17:31	* ecutruin	pouts that there is connected glass, but not connected other textures. >.<
17:31	LemonLake	Or even just ctrl + tab
17:32	Calinou	ecutruin, any transparent node can be connected
17:32	Calinou	you could use an opaque texture, but the game would still treat it as transparent
17:32	ecutruin	Yeah, that's the issue.. I wouldn't want it to be transparent.. I'd also want more then one pixel of edge for many things.
17:33	Calinou	thickness would be better if it was configurable, indeed
17:33	Calinou	RealBadAngel, ;)
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17:37	LemonLake	çŒ«
17:37	LemonLake	ah
17:37	LemonLake	neko <space> <return>
17:45	RealBadAngel	Calinou, by now its 1 pixel size out of 16
17:45	RealBadAngel	like in default textures
17:45	Calinou	I know
17:45	Calinou	but how about using a node property to change it?
17:46	RealBadAngel	shouldnt be any problem
17:46	LemonLake	sfan5: ï¾†ï½¬ï½°
17:46	RealBadAngel	most problematic would be finding the place where and how to define it
17:46	RealBadAngel	than actual code
17:47	sfan5	LemonLake: halfwidth kana are very tiny, use fullwidth ones: ãƒ‹ãƒ£ãƒ¼
17:47	LemonLake	whoa
17:47	LemonLake	i tried :P
17:47	LemonLake	ãƒ‹ãƒ£ãƒ¼
17:47	LemonLake	there we go
17:48	Calinou	RealBadAngel, could be a normal node property, same as leveled nodebox
17:48	RealBadAngel	param2 taken
17:48	Calinou	frame_thickness = (size in 1/64 of node)
17:48	Calinou	RealBadAngel, a group then? the client is aware of the groups
17:48	LemonLake	i thought just using param2 is fine
17:49	LemonLake	adding extra attr. is just lazy
17:49	RealBadAngel	param2 all bits are already used
17:50	LemonLake	hm
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17:55	marc_	NICK irishfight
17:55	LemonLake	NICK nick
17:55	irishfight	forgot the /
17:56	irishfight	Just found this game from a reddit post - have only played about a hour and im already loving it more than minecraft (plus it plays better on my shitty laptop)
17:57	LemonLake	:D That's awesome!
17:57	irishfight	what is the game written in?
17:57	LemonLake	C++, mods are made in Lua.
17:57	DogePony	C++ and Lua
17:57	Jordach	irishfight, you mean http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/29vrkp/cant_run_minecraft_made_my_own/ciozegx
17:58	Jordach	in particular
17:58	LemonLake	WAIIIIIT
17:58	LemonLake	WAITIITITIWTI
17:58	LemonLake	UWOT
17:58	irishfight	Hmm...i may have to learn C++ - is it a large leap from PHP?
17:58	LemonLake	Jeb supports Minetest?
17:58	LemonLake	irishfight: not much, but unless you want to develop the core engine, just work with Lua.
17:58	irishfight	Yes Jordach
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17:59	sfan5	irishfight: C++ is not very far from PHP
17:59	sfan5	except that C++ is not as bad as PHP
17:59	irishfight	I want to design some other "items" like shovels, swords, etc
17:59	sfan5	for that you would use Lua
17:59	LemonLake	Yep.
17:59	sfan5	http://dev.minetest.net/Intro
17:59	LemonLake	Plus, I'm pretty sure there's a feature freeze on the engine until the new release.
17:59	LemonLake	Which, iirc, is tomorrow
18:00	LemonLake	so...jeb supports minetest
18:00	LemonLake	til
18:00	Calinou	uh
18:00	irishfight	thanks for the link sfan
18:00	Calinou	â‰¥We are very defensive when it comes to Minecraft, as it's our game and trademark, but we do not try to prevent people from making their own games. In the end it's more important that players have fun, even if it's not our game they're playing.â€
18:00	* Calinou	starts playing deadâ€¦
18:01	Calinou	â€¦to finally roll on floor laughing.
18:01	LemonLake	Calinou: çŒ«
18:02	sfan5	LemonLake: ç™½
18:03	LemonLake	ç™½çŒ«
18:03	LemonLake	yes?
18:03	sfan5	you forgot a particle
18:03	LemonLake	ah
18:03	sfan5	and it's the wrong way around
18:03	LemonLake	I donono kanji :P
18:03	sfan5	particles != kanji
18:03	sfan5	çŒ«ã®ç™½
18:03	LemonLake	plis expin
18:04	LemonLake	I see
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18:05	LemonLake	ã® is the particle for posessive, yes?
18:05	LemonLake	so it's literally 'cat with white'
18:05	sfan5	LemonLake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_particles
18:06	sfan5	..
18:06	LemonLake	hmm
18:07	LemonLake	I think I get this
18:08	Jordach	wtf
18:09	Jordach	this line returns ignore abovenode = minetest.get_node({tnodepos.x, tnodepos.y+highpoint, tnodepos.z})
18:09	LemonLake	wanna know why?
18:09	sfan5	Jordach: your forgot the x= y= and z=
18:09	LemonLake	you need to do x=
18:09	LemonLake	etc
18:09	Jordach	oh right
18:10	sfan5	LemonLake: it was actually the right way around
18:10	sfan5	here's an example:
18:10	LemonLake	hm? I got it right?
18:10	sfan5	orange cat translates to ã‚ªãƒ¬ãƒ³ã‚¸è‰²ã®çŒ«
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18:16	nman3600	Just a reminder: My strawpoll is still open (http://strawpoll.me/2050009/) I'm trying not to spam I just want as many votes as possible until I'm ready to build.
18:16	LemonLake	So it'd be ç™½ã®çŒ«?
18:16	LemonLake	nman, stop asking other people, just build it.
18:16	sfan5	LemonLake: yes
18:16	LemonLake	its your build, your idea/choice
18:18	nman3600	LemonLake I'm waiting for the server to built it on...
18:18	Taoki	Hi, I have a question; Must texture packages necessarily be a power of two (such as 16 x 16 or 32 x 32)? Or is theoretically any resolution okay at the very end
18:18	Jordach	WAT
18:19	PilzAdam	Taoki, MineToon is 250 x 250
18:19	Taoki	Cool. Means it should be ok yeah
18:19	sfan5	Taoki: any resolution is ok
18:20	Jordach	wf
18:20	Jordach	wtf
18:20	Jordach	there are two nodes at y=1, yet on_punch pos returns 3 or 4
18:21	Jordach	and printing with this print ("x="..pos.x.." y="..pos.y.." z="..pos.z)
18:21	LemonLake	just dump pos
18:21	LemonLake	print(dump(pos))
18:22	Jordach	and my user co-ords don't match on Y either
18:22	Jordach	{["y"] = 4, ["x"] = -49, ["z"] = -154}
18:23	LemonLake	well duh
18:23	LemonLake	as long as it's one off
18:23	Jordach	LemonLake, pos is not modified
18:23	LemonLake	what is the user y?
18:23	LemonLake	and what is the pos y?
18:23	Jordach	1.5
18:23	Jordach	1.6*
18:23	LemonLake	pos y?
18:25	Jordach	the numbers seem to be boosted by two
18:25	celeron55	so, what do people think if in 0.4.10 there will be no other bundled game than minetest_next merged into minetest_game?
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18:25	LemonLake	Jordach: makes sense.
18:25	LemonLake	celeron55: I can get down with that
18:25	Jordach	there's the code used to get that number
18:25	Jordach	http://paste.debian.net/108296/
18:26	Jordach	LemonLake, some nodes despite being the same have a differing Y value
18:26	nore	celeron55: why?
18:26	celeron55	there are too many reasons to not bundle any other game; the reasons circle around either them being too similar or too incomplete
18:27	celeron55	carbone gets closest to being worthwhile at this moment
18:27	LemonLake	ace of picks is coming along
18:27	LemonLake	but not sure if that's bundle-worthy
18:27	Calinou	games must be finished to be put in the default installation
18:27	Jordach	celeron55, i'd offer mine, but i'm too busy why the code i pasted gets the wrong node position
18:27	Calinou	finished as in, playable, not buggyâ€¦
18:27	LemonLake	i mean for next ver
18:27	LemonLake	not 0.4.10
18:28	LemonLake	it still has to be finished, then tested
18:28	Calinou	0.4.10 release is tomorrow I think
18:28	celeron55	i would like to encourage people to put effort in developing different kinds of smaller subgames and polishing them for 0.4.11
18:28	celeron55	and making them accessible for new players
18:28	Jordach	LemonLake, my head is at 3.5
18:28	LemonLake	My head is full of air.
18:29	celeron55	also yes, 0.4.10 release is locked to tomorrow
18:29	Jordach	celeron55, there appears to be a bug with on_punch pos and dumping the table
18:29	Jordach	it has wrong co-ords
18:29	LemonLake	Jordach, have you looked at the node positioning?
18:29	LemonLake	There's a wiki page for it, lemmef ind ti
18:29	celeron55	file an issue, that's not my concern right now
18:29	Jordach	LemonLake, i have
18:30	Jordach	player co-ords for x and z are identical
18:30	LemonLake	http://dev.minetest.net/pointed_thing
18:30	LemonLake	I think you want to use .under, instead of .above?
18:30	Jordach	LemonLake, i'm not
18:30	Jordach	read the paste
18:30	Jordach	<Jordach> http://paste.debian.net/108296/
18:31	DogePony	Jordach: the error is at line 3 of that paste
18:31	LemonLake	omg of course
18:31	Jordach	wat
18:31	LemonLake	tnodepos = node.pos
18:31	LemonLake	pos is the player pos
18:31	Jordach	line?
18:31	PenguinDad	LemonLake: you're wrong
18:31	celeron55	also, for example nodetest is waiting for the engine to fix some mob issues before it includes mobs, which are quite important for nodetest's survival focus
18:31	LemonLake	I always am
18:31	LemonLake	deal with it
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18:32	LemonLake	But why tnodepos = pos?
18:32	LemonLake	Just use pos?
18:32	Jordach	LemonLake, because i will need to modify it
18:33	LemonLake	ydat?
18:33	LemonLake	"tnodepos.y = tnodepos.y + 1"
18:33	PenguinDad	Jordach: If you modify tnodepos you actually modify pos
18:33	Jordach	eh
18:33	LemonLake	just use pos + nodeup
18:33	LemonLake	well, pos.y + nodeup
18:33	Jordach	that explains the +2
18:33	LemonLake	yep
18:33	Jordach	PenguinDad, that's done elsewhere in other mods and has NOT caused issues
18:33	Jordach	care to explain?
18:34	LemonLake	because you're doing it the dumb way?
18:34	LemonLake	you're making it unnecessarily complicated ;)
18:34	celeron55	i don't like to make this decision, but simply none of the non-broken subgames are a good companion to minetest_next (and minetest_next appears to be impossible to not include)
18:36	celeron55	but do people have strong opinions about carbone?
18:36	LemonLake	imo its more of a big modpack than a game
18:38	Taoki	Sorry... had one more question: Is there a drawtype that lets you have 4 direction sprites similar to Infiniminer? So the sprite itself always faces the player (horizontally), but there are 4 images... for seeing the object from front, back, left side, right side
18:38	Jordach	LemonLake, now it works
18:38	LemonLake	good good
18:39	Jordach	but copying a tabe shouldn't modify the original
18:39	Jordach	that's the odd part
18:39	LemonLake	Welcome to C++
18:39	Jordach	that's not C being the issue
18:39	LemonLake	Jordach, its how things work
18:39	Jordach	don't point fingers
18:39	LemonLake	Deal with it ^.^
18:39	Jordach	which is why i haven't banned the annoying kids on the forums yet
18:40	LemonLake	Hmm?
18:40	PenguinDad	Jordach: you don't copy the table you actually only produce a reference to the original table
18:40	LemonLake	^
18:40	Jordach	PenguinDad, fucking lua :P
18:40	Jordach	when did common sense go missing
18:40	LemonLake	<Jordach> which is why i haven't banned the annoying kids on the forums yet
18:40	LemonLake	Do explain.
18:41	Jordach	LemonLake, DS-Minetest springs right to mind
18:41	celeron55	Jordach: every dynamic scripting language works like that
18:41	LemonLake	Not following, Jordach.
18:41	Jordach	celeron55, $5 python doesn't
18:41	celeron55	it does
18:42	Jordach	= is assigning, not referring
18:42	celeron55	you assign a reference
18:42	LemonLake	Jordach: Where did you learn programming?
18:42	LemonLake	Not trying to say it in a horrible way, just curious ^.^
18:42	Jordach	LemonLake, off my own farking arse
18:42	celeron55	>>> a = [1]
18:42	celeron55	>>> b = a
18:42	celeron55	>>> b[0] = 2
18:42	celeron55	>>> a
18:42	celeron55	[2]
18:43	celeron55	have some python
18:43	LemonLake	Okay, Jordach.
18:43	LemonLake	Calm down.
18:43	Jordach	why don't things produce a fucking copy and not a reference
18:43	celeron55	copying is expensive
18:43	Jordach	three bytes is not expensive
18:44	LemonLake	+<celeron55> copying is expensive
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18:44	asl	Jordach `=` is referring if the item is mutable
18:44	PenguinDad	Jordach: the pos table is bigger than 3 bytes
18:45	Calinou	<Taoki> Sorry... had one more question: Is there a drawtype that lets you have 4 direction sprites similar to Infiniminer? So the sprite itself always faces the player (horizontally), but there are 4 images... for seeing the object from front, back, left side, right side
18:45	Calinou	entity drawtype â€œspriteâ€?
18:45	Calinou	uses 6 faces
18:45	LemonLake	Jordach, you enjoying the attention? ^.^
18:45	markv	My DNS server works!!!
18:45	asl	dict, list and iirc set in python are all mutable
18:45	markv	reckon I can host example.x on example.x ?
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18:48	Rhy5	Hi everyone :)
18:48	jp	Calinou : in MoreBlocks, can you add 'cracked stone bricks', please ?
18:49	Rhy5	This bad boy, jp: http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/minecraft.gamepedia.com/3/36/Cracked_Stone_Brick.png?version=30e760ac2590789bbcbbda4dd8a7c82e?
18:49	jp	Exact.
18:50	Rhy5	Hmm, definetly would be a great addition yes.
18:50	Jordach	why not mod it yourself
18:50	jp	redundant
18:50	Rhy5	For one node? Pretty useless.
18:50	celeron55	< Taoki> Sorry... had one more question <- there is some functionality like that for entities, i don't remember what exactly
18:50	Rhy5	Ah, celeron55, the creator of Minetest, hello!
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18:52	Rhy5	I do actually wonder what Minetest would look like in about 20 years...
18:52	LemonLake	It would look like something in an archive.
18:53	LemonLake	Just like Minecraft.
18:53	Rhy5	Infact, like this: http://www.royalgrass.com/uploads/media/artificial-grass.jpg
18:53	Rhy5	:D
18:53	LemonLake	No.
18:53	LemonLake	http://poetrybyronnie.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/old_armenian_book_by_deviantik.jpg
18:53	LemonLake	Like that
18:53	PenguinDad	I'm not sure if minetest would survive that long
18:53	Rhy5	PenguinDad, :)
18:53	Rhy5	LemonLake, thing future, not hell.
18:54	Rhy5	*think
18:54	LemonLake	Sorry. I'm too pessimistic.
18:54	Rhy5	It's a human trait xD
18:54	LemonLake	yes....one i dislike
18:55	Rhy5	Poor you ;)
18:55	LemonLake	don't be sympathetic
18:55	LemonLake	i can't change who i am
18:56	Rhy5	This is me in two hundred years: http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/pc5/GXz/pc5GXzRcB.jpeg
18:56	Rhy5	Sorry mum ;)
18:56	LemonLake	you'll be a bone-like scroll?
18:56	Calinou	<Rhy5> I do actually wonder what Minetest would look like in about 20 years...
18:57	Calinou	probably like nothing
18:57	Calinou	<Rhy5> Ah, celeron55, the creator of Minetest, hello!
18:57	Calinou	he isn't anyone special
18:57	LemonLake	that can be taken harshly, Calinou
18:57	Rhy5	Calinou, formal greeting.
18:57	Jordach	Calinou, the Introvert!
18:58	Calinou	â€œauthorâ€ or â€œdeveloperâ€ is preferable, that's what I meant
18:58	Calinou	anyway, he's sometimes in here, but not always because people would bug him all day ;)
18:58	Calinou	he used to not be on IRC at all
18:58	Rhy5	Calinou, you sound nothing like it says on the tin. ;P
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18:59	Rhy5	Hmm, sorry if you took that the wrong way.
19:00	Rhy5	Moving on.
19:01	Rhy5	Is it possible to compile a dev in windows?
19:01	jp	celeron55 is the Linus Torvalds of Minetest ;)
19:01	LemonLake	Rhy5: Of course! It's just a lot harder
19:01	Rhy5	jp, in English please ;)
19:01	LemonLake	Rhy5: Wake up, that is English.
19:01	jp	It's english.
19:01	Rhy5	jp, Old English xD
19:02	LemonLake	Rhy5: It is English.
19:02	Rhy5	But English that I don't know about.
19:02	LemonLake	Using a name does not change the language.
19:02	Rhy5	"Linus Torvalds"
19:02	LemonLake	That'd be like saying "I like Nagisa Furuwaka" changes the sentence to Japanese.
19:02	jp	No mockery on my english, please.
19:03	Rhy5	jp, didn't mean it like that, but I didn't understand it, sorry.
19:03	LemonLake	Also, Rhy5
19:03	LemonLake	Linus Torvalds is a name.
19:03	Rhy5	I noticed.
19:03	LemonLake	The name of a Finnish software engineer.
19:03	LemonLake	He created Git.
19:03	Rhy5	Explaining... ah I see now.
19:03	LemonLake	He also created the Linux kernel.
19:03	LemonLake	Is that old English?
19:03	Rhy5	Well, now knowing what it is, nope.
19:04	LemonLake	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
19:04	Rhy5	Gee, what is it with me today? I'm being very harsh ._.
19:04	LemonLake	Nah.
19:04	BlockMen	"â€œIâ€™m an egotistical bastard, and I name all my projects after myself. First â€˜Linuxâ€™, now â€˜Gitâ€™.â€
19:04	BlockMen	â€“ Linus Torvalds [12]"
19:04	BlockMen	lol :D
19:04	LemonLake	GENIUS
19:04	LemonLake	I LOVE THAT GUY NOW
19:04	Rhy5	Lemon, young love.
19:04	LemonLake	Young?
19:04	LemonLake	Well, it is a bit creepy.
19:04	Rhy5	Everyone is young.
19:04	LemonLake	I'm 21 and he's 44.
19:05	Rhy5	Divide the two, one year between you ;)
19:05	jp	There are a collection of epic quotes from Linux T.
19:05	PenguinDad	If you didn't know my given name is Linus
19:05	Rhy5	PenguinDad, wow.
19:05	Rhy5	Very nice.
19:06	Rhy5	I'm just Rhys.
19:06	Rhy5	Rhys Thomas Edward Morgan.
19:06	crazyR_	guys, ive got a problem, could do with some advise. if several people have build things, they gone away then came back and its rreveted back to what it was previously, what could cause it?
19:06	crazyR_	the db is leveldb
19:06	Rhy5	crazyR_: Probaly server client or unrealised crashes.
19:06	LemonLake	^
19:06	LemonLake	We've experienced that one many-a-time on ntdll :P
19:07	crazyR_	i though that at first, but they havent even logged of, they have come back and its goen, its happened to several people
19:07	Rhy5	Does anybody have rollback?
19:07	LemonLake	Did they time-out?
19:07	crazyR_	roleback is disabled
19:07	LemonLake	Sounds like extreme lag to me
19:07	Rhy5	Or just griefing.
19:08	Calinou	rollback*
19:09	crazyR_	we are having bad lag, but its only affecting some players, also the server is barely being touched resource wise
19:09	Rhy5	Might just be lag then.
19:10	LemonLake	You place nodes while the server is lagging
19:10	Rhy5	^^
19:10	LemonLake	the node-count in inventory doesn't go down
19:10	Rhy5	And they just dissapear.
19:10	LemonLake	but when the server catches up, it realises these nodes never existed, so it removes tem.
19:10	Rhy5	Well said sir, gold star.
19:10	LemonLake	s/tem/them
19:11	Rhy5	Never knew that was a directory Lemon ;)
19:11	crazyR_	so what could cause bad lag without bumping up the server resources
19:11	LemonLake	nein
19:11	Rhy5	crazyR_: Like I said, server client.
19:11	Rhy5	Or just bad internet via the server or players.
19:11	LemonLake	If it's not resources, it's network traffic
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19:11	crazyR_	servers on a gigabit port.
19:11	LemonLake	Or something along the lines
19:11	crazyR_	might be worth monitoring it
19:12	Rhy5	crazyR_: debug.txt. Use it :)
19:14	crazyR_	i do use it, i also log everything that the output says too.
19:17	Taoki	http://i.imgur.com/xzEQ8U9.png - http://i.imgur.com/iXJs1O4.jpg When OHRRPGCE (Vikings of Midgart) meets Minetest. For those who never heard about VoM, it's a fantastic 2D RPG (all Public Domain) which I recommend trying out. Either way, I felt like trying to its tileset textures in Minetest ;)
19:18	Taoki	**Midgard also, typo
19:19	celeron55	is that green specifically designed for destroying eyes
19:19	LemonLake	^
19:19	asie	not ^
19:19	asie	I like the green
19:20	Taoki	Dunno. In the RPG itself it looks nice. Could say the same for here though... especially since I like my Minecraft / Minetest looking colorful and lively
19:20	Jordach	!up 81.135.107.82
19:20	MinetestBot	81.135.107.82:30000 is up (29ms)
19:20	Calinou	the blue water explodes my retina
19:20	Calinou	<crazyR_> servers on a gigabit port.
19:21	Calinou	what about your actual Internet connection speed?
19:21	Taoki	http://db.tigsource.com/screenshot/image/1236/original/vom2.gif Screenshot of original game
19:21	Calinou	use these minetest.conf settings: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7752630/
19:21	Calinou	(they're default in Carbone)
19:21	Calinou	helps with CPU, RAM and bandwidth usage
19:22	PenguinDad	<3 the water
19:23	PenguinDad	s/<3/<3/
19:23	crazyR_	wtf i think calinou might have hit the nail onthe head
19:23	crazyR_	just downloaded a 1 gig file the speed was 10mb/s
19:23	Calinou	blue heart, lol
19:23	Calinou	crazyR_, Mb or MB?
19:23	LemonLake	crazyR_ that also depends on the server you dl it from
19:23	Calinou	the upload is the most important value
19:23	LemonLake	and beware of capitalization, we could be talking about megabits or megabytes
19:23	Calinou	as it's almost always smaller than download
19:24	PenguinDad	Calinou: a blue heart is valid for squids :P
19:24	crazyR_	sorry MB
19:25	LemonLake	tubaya okazaki: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/WIEO1VKKFXEZ.png
19:27	asl	Taoki, Public Domain != GPL
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19:45	blaise	wow
19:45	blaise	tomorrows the big day, eh?
19:45	EvergreenTree	blaise: yep
19:46	blaise	=]
19:49	EvergreenTree	I don't know why people make such a big deal out of stable releases though
19:49	EvergreenTree	you can get the latest vesrion on github, or use one of the windows builds
19:50	blaise	I don't condoln the use of microsoft operating systems
19:50	blaise	or any microsoft products for that matter
19:50	BlockMen	EvergreenTree, there are many that just use builds from mainpage, which are the stable ones, especially new users
19:50	BlockMen	when i came to minetest i used only the stable for a while aswell
19:50	asl	it's the 6th already for me :P
19:50	celeron55	...and many linux users who just use the one from their distro's repository
19:51	celeron55	those are the hardest ones to get to using unstable versions actually 8)
19:52	blaise	I actually had to create an ebuild in gentoo to run minetest-0.4.9
19:52	celeron55	(and it's a good thing; they don't want to deal with any unstable issues anyway)
19:52	blaise	the maintainer is lazy
19:52	blaise	I'de rather not use non-stable code in a production environment
19:52	EvergreenTree	celeron55: that is true
19:56	crazyR_	thing is, these days the dev is more stable than the stable
19:56	Calinou	<blaise> tomorrows the big day, eh?
19:56	Calinou	tomorrow's my 3rd Minetest birthday
19:57	Jordach	daww
19:57	Jordach	my 3rd is coming up on the 10th of Oct (holy shitballs\|)
19:59	Calinou	the rate at which forum posting evolved is amazing
19:59	Calinou	the first day I played, I used this pack: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=134
20:00	Calinou	I'll download it in case the file disappears
20:05	PenguinDad	Calinou: that was the first texture pack I tried use :)
20:05	PenguinDad	+ to
20:06	* BlockMen	used misa as first tp
20:07	* Jordach	used cisoun's pack
20:07	PenguinDad	Good ol' times
20:09	* PenguinDad	still doesn't know the difference between setpos() and moveto()
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20:14	Taoki	Is there a drawtype that lets you have 4 direction sprites similar to Infiniminer? So the sprite itself always faces the player (horizontally), but there are 4 images... for seeing the object from front, back, left side, right side
20:15	Jordach	Taoki, drawtype = sprite
20:15	Taoki	Jordach: Ok. But what about the 4 direction images?
20:15	EvergreenTree	there is a sprite drawtype?
20:15	Jordach	there is afaik
20:15	Taoki	How are those defined
20:15	BlockMen	PenguinDad, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1785
20:16	BlockMen	but idk if there is any way to set the speed for that
20:16	* BlockMen	guesses not
20:17	Jordach	Taoki, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1818
20:17	PenguinDad	Taoki: this might help https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1818-1821
20:17	Taoki	I see. Still doesn't detail how to set yaw-relative textures exactly
20:17	Taoki	Although it seems to say it's possible at least
20:18	Jordach	Taoki, that's what the sprite sheet does for you
20:18	Jordach	use the original dungeon master one
20:18	Taoki	Can I still find it anywhere?
20:19	Taoki	Also, can such direction-based sprites be animated? So if you have two per direction, it animates walking
20:19	PenguinDad	Taoki: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/legacy/textures/dungeon_master.png
20:19	Taoki	Aha... that makes sense yes
20:19	Calinou	they can
20:19	Calinou	it's 6 directions
20:20	Taoki	Can you exclude top and bottom if you don't have them?
20:20	Calinou	just put the same as the front sprite (don't make it invisible)
20:21	Taoki	Ok. I was hoping you could use upright_sprite, so it only faces the player horizontally... like the default player sprite before 3D models
20:21	Taoki	But with 4 directions
20:21	Taoki	Doesn't sound like it tho
20:26	Calinou	verticla constraint of sprite is only possible for particles, not entities :/
20:30	celeron55	Jordach: http://c55.me/random/2014-07/holy_shitballs.jpg
20:30	* Jordach	claps
20:30	celeron55	i had to do this
20:31	Jordach	celeron55, i'm going to have to donate eventually
20:31	celeron55	donate to see more of my intense gimp edits?
20:31	celeron55	i can respect that
20:32	Jordach	celeron55, donate to be more awesome
20:32	Jordach	(and of course the obvious amounts of beer!)
20:32	Jordach	beer + minetest-dev = new features!?!?
20:37	LemonLake	beer + minetest-dev = feature reversal
20:38	BlockMen	beer + minetest - dev = beer + frozen_minetest
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20:40	PenguinDad	beer + me == me with liver diseases
20:40	LemonLake	Beer + myself = my daily life
20:41	celeron55	frozen_minetest - beer + dev = minetest-beer?!
20:43	BlockMen	yay, minetest-beer
20:43	PenguinDad	ewww minetest-beer
20:45	Jordach	,01please don't give me rendering ideas
20:45	LemonLake	Jordach: Why not render you rendering a render?
20:46	EvergreenTree	Render #minetest
20:46	Jordach	LemonLake, already done
20:46	LemonLake	Oh yeah.
20:46	LemonLake	That weird mt wallpaper.
20:46	LemonLake	You were like by a tree or somethin.
20:47	PenguinDad	"please don't give me rendering ideas for dinner" first suggestion of duckduckgo
20:47	celeron55	is there someone in here who can make better textures and possibly other media than me and who can help in figuring out some game design and who can do playtesting? i would like to form a two-man team to produce a medium-sized game for minetest with a unique focus (the other one of the two is me)
20:47	LemonLake	Well
20:48	LemonLake	I may be able to help
20:48	Jordach	celeron55, i can draw...ish
20:48	LemonLake	According to sfan5, I can really draw :P
20:48	sfan5	you can
20:48	Jordach	s/sfan5/someone on the internet/
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20:48	emerge	hello everyone
20:48	celeron55	i want to make a very small team and do this in private until it is released as beta that is working
20:48	LemonLake	Jordach: <sfan5> you can
20:49	celeron55	so, i need more than "a bit of help"
20:49	Jordach	celeron55, i've already been doing that as BFD for this entire time
20:49	LemonLake	celeron55: I'm happy to help but I understand if you pick someone else ^.^
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20:49	celeron55	Jordach: yes, i guess you are sticking to BFD and not interested in doing my thing as a distraction from it?
20:49	Jordach	celeron55, i haven't developed since may and got a few ideas to do then sleep for a few months
20:50	EvergreenTree	Jordach found this on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/29vrkp/cant_run_minecraft_made_my_own/ciozegx
20:50	Jordach	i have an infinite schedule for the next 7 weeks
20:50	LemonLake	I can see Jordach doing some good work
20:50	Jordach	LemonLake, i reimplemented my tanks within 3 hours
20:50	Jordach	the original design took 5
20:50	LemonLake	What, do glasslike_framed?
20:51	Jordach	nodeboxes
20:51	LemonLake	Still not impressed, then
20:51	Jordach	i just repaired them, and made them much more usable (EvergreenTree knows about this)
20:51	celeron55	Jordach, LemonLake: has either of you made games outside of minetest?
20:51	EvergreenTree	Jordach sort of has
20:51	LemonLake	celeron55: I work as an artist/composer/programmer with a small team
20:51	Jordach	celeron55, to be debated, but LovÃ©2D has
20:51	LemonLake	But I've never made a full-on game.
20:51	EvergreenTree	I might start making a game some time
20:52	EvergreenTree	most likely with pygame
20:52	EvergreenTree	I'm learning c atm\
20:52	Jordach	celeron55, there's enough hands in here, private git repo + adding members is problem solved
20:52	LemonLake	Most games I work on are C++ with SFML
20:52	Jordach	i am capable of 3d assets on the other hand
20:52	EvergreenTree	Isn't Open Hexagon written in sfml?
20:52	EvergreenTree	I assume sdl is an option as well
20:52	LemonLake	Unless you have money, I'd suggest BitBucket for private repos.
20:53	Jordach	and here's the entire set of logic to my new polished tanks http://paste.debian.net/108320/
20:54	LemonLake	that's some harsh hardcoding
20:54	LemonLake	you could easily run that in a for-loop
20:54	Jordach	LemonLake, MTG has lava and water which should drop right in
20:54	Jordach	(it even uses the same bucket names)
20:54	celeron55	Jordach: the issue isn't implementation, the issue is designing a game; i don't want to do it solo because my brain will simply drain out of juice and ideas
20:54	celeron55	Jordach: and it cannot be done by shouting on a crowded irc channel
20:54	Jordach	celeron55, alas the problem i have
20:54	LemonLake	Jordach, this is designing. Not implementing
20:55	celeron55	Jordach: so you have 7 weeks of time in your hands?
20:55	Jordach	celeron55, i do :)
20:55	EvergreenTree	I have a few weeks (mostly) free
20:56	Jordach	Sept 4. is the date when i have a work placement in IT to be doing (during the day)
20:56	LemonLake	Hmm
20:56	Jordach	it earns me a level 2 BTEC
20:56	LemonLake	While I also have the same amount of time, I can work afternoons after Sept.4
20:57	LemonLake	but during the summer I won't have thursdays and one specific day per-week because I have a life
20:57	Jordach	and a level 3 next year
20:57	LemonLake	and I can't guarantee full-activity because I've had a minor heart-problem lately
20:57	Jordach	LemonLake, careful
20:57	EvergreenTree	LemonLake: Yikes
20:57	LemonLake	Careful?
20:57	LemonLake	It's nothing that major
20:57	Jordach	you're reminding me of April 2013
20:57	LemonLake	What happened april 2013?
20:58	EvergreenTree	What type of game are you making, and what language is it in celeron55? I probably can't help you with it.
20:58	Jordach	[21:47:46] <celeron55> is there someone in here who can make better textures and possibly other media than me and who can help in figuring out some game design and who can do playtesting? i would like to form a two-man team to produce a medium-sized game for minetest with a unique focus (the other one of the two is me)
20:58	LemonLake	It's an MT subgame
20:58	LemonLake	So lua
20:58	Jordach	ninja'd?
20:58	LemonLake	Quite.
20:59	EvergreenTree	Ah
20:59	LemonLake	But TL;DR comes into play :P
20:59	EvergreenTree	I can help in that case
20:59	Jordach	(sorry about that c55)
20:59	EvergreenTree	Jordach is probably better though
20:59	LemonLake	^
20:59	EvergreenTree	I'm okay at coding and better at textures
20:59	Jordach	LemonLake, it is possible to do my new logic in tanks, (and i saw it in my goddamn head)
20:59	Jordach	i actually saw the answer3
21:00	Jordach	however, i cant put it onto paper
21:00	* markv	compiles C++ CMS
21:00	LemonLake	For the nodeboxes, it'd involve 1/maxlevel*level
21:00	LemonLake	that can be simplified somehow...I forgot though
21:00	LemonLake	level/maxlevel iirc
21:01	EvergreenTree	bbs
21:01	LemonLake	Okay, cya
21:01	LemonLake	Actually, me too, bb<20mins
21:02	sfan5	markv: this isn't twitter, nobody cares
21:02	markv	sfan5: stfu
21:02	Jordach	then how dafuq do i own the record of using /me
21:02	sfan5	!stfu markv
21:02	MinetestBot	markv, Someone thinks you need to shut the fuck up before you get muted.
21:03	markv	Yeah funny you're so cool, sfan5
21:03	sfan5	thanks
21:15	LemonLake	so that happened
21:18	Jordach	youtu.be/XkNdLYkwmjQ
21:18	Jordach	http://youtu.be/XkNdLYkwmjQ
21:18	Jordach	^ sorry
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21:24	LemonLake	I'm impressed. How did you do multi-texture nodeboxes?
21:24	Jordach	i didn't
21:25	Jordach	it's a 4 walled exterior with a single nodebox in the middle
21:25	LemonLake	So the surrounds are separate nodes?
21:25	sapier1	isn't this uite similar to what rba did implement?
21:26	LemonLake	This uses nodeboxes.
21:26	LemonLake	RBA used glasslike_framed.
21:26	LemonLake	I have no idea why Jordach isn't.
21:26	Jordach	because limiting me on what i can do with it sucks
21:26	LemonLake	Limiting?
21:27	Jordach	maybe i want different methods
21:27	Jordach	mine can be changed by Lua, RBA's can't
21:27	LemonLake	RBA's can?
21:27	LemonLake	param2 =
21:27	Jordach	only what the code allows
21:27	Jordach	mine can in theory be expanded
21:27	LemonLake	But if they're tanks, glasslike_framed does exactly what you want.
21:27	Jordach	not really
21:28	LemonLake	What can't it do that you want to do with nodeboxes?
21:28	Jordach	it doesn't allow storage of items, eg, buckets of liquid, and be able to retrieve them at anytime
21:28	LemonLake	Well duh, you have to code that yourself.
21:28	Jordach	LemonLake, it could be a sphere or a cylinder in shape, that's why i prefer nodeboxes
21:28	LemonLake	But you're just using tanks.
21:28	LemonLake	Cubed tanks.
21:29	Jordach	you have the flexibility to modify the shape of the box as you please, as well as the contents
21:29	LemonLake	So don't reinvent the wheel!
21:29	Jordach	LemonLake, i actually did it first
21:29	LemonLake	(facepalm)
21:29	LemonLake	I give up with you, Jordach.
21:30	Jordach	LemonLake, i have not seen code to allow retrieval of items, eg filled buckets from an empty one or fill the tank to remove the liquid from the bucket
21:30	Jordach	that's why i have issues with it, it isn't perfect
21:31	LemonLake	on_use = function(itemstack, user, pointed_thing)
21:31	LemonLake	Then you can either look at param2 to know the liquid value, or store it in a metadata.
21:31	Jordach	but then you're limited by param2
21:31	LemonLake	You're limited by 8.
21:31	LemonLake	Param2 is limited by 64.
21:31	Jordach	actually i'm not
21:31	LemonLake	Jordach, you're just being fussy.
21:32	Jordach	!c 1/512
21:32	MinetestBot	0
21:32	LemonLake	So I'll let you have your way.
21:32	Jordach	!c 1.0/512.0
21:32	MinetestBot	0.001953125
21:32	Jordach	^ thats how big the nodebox would be under 512 resoultion
21:32	LemonLake	Still, I'm not a fan of your method.
21:32	LemonLake	It is hardcoded and uses unrequired nodes.
21:32	Jordach	LemonLake, 11ms per operation
21:34	Jordach	and i can get away with texture problems because glass refracts the contents :3
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21:37	Jordach	hey Megaf
21:38	PenguinDad	shit
21:38	Jordach	?
21:38	PenguinDad	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1445
21:38	PenguinDad	^ Jordach
21:38	Jordach	O.O
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21:40	LemonLake	Jordach, can you link me to your code please?
21:42	Jordach	https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/commit/bcc2d66d5879db874eb25427ce5086e70812d159
21:42	LemonLake	Thanks.
21:43	LemonLake	Jordach: [22:43:35] Hagrid: A very important rule in programming is to always simplify conditionals.
21:44	Jordach	bollocks statement in here
21:44	Jordach	nobody said that
21:44	LemonLake	That's skype, my friend.
21:44	LemonLake	I'm showing your code to someone who's a preeety good programmer.
21:44	* PenguinDad	slaps Jordach for no newline at end of file
21:44	Jordach	PenguinDad, notepad's problem
21:45	LemonLake	Jordach, please
21:45	LemonLake	!pil Jordach
21:45	MinetestBot	Jordach, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
21:46	LemonLake	That's all.
21:46	Jordach	LemonLake, when has my badly written, but perfectly working code gone wrong
21:46	LemonLake	It hasn't. It's just badly implemented.
21:47	Jordach	LemonLake, i re-wrote a bad sethome mod, because of /home otherplayershome broke the entire thing
21:47	Jordach	and it runs on VanessaE's production servers with 100% compat
21:49	Jordach	LemonLake, old one, https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-mods/tree/master/sethome
21:50	Jordach	here's the new one https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/tree/master/mods/jsethome
21:50	LemonLake	I don't care anymore
21:50	Jordach	not caring leads to bad code :3
21:50	LemonLake	I'm not the one badly coding.
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21:55	zorak	hi
21:55	zorak	im new to minetest
21:56	zorak	there are a server for noobs??
21:56	PenguinDad	Jordach: seriously? https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/blob/master/mods/jsethome/init.lua#L30
21:56	Jordach	PenguinDad, the mod was written around Jan 2012
21:56	Jordach	it is ancient
21:58	Jordach	reload
22:00	zorak	how do i know what version of minetest i have?
22:00	Jordach	which link did you use
22:00	Jordach	0.4.10 is released tomorrow, so wait until them
22:00	Jordach	then*
22:02	zorak	damn
22:02	zorak	the version of the repos of linux mint is 0.3.1
22:02	zorak	well
22:02	zorak	im gonna try in a couple of days
22:02	Jordach	zorak, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837
22:02	zorak	cya
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22:11	PenguinDad	<3 https://soundcloud.com/monstercat/rootkit-real-love-feat-danyka
22:12	Jordach	https://soundcloud.com/audio-warfare/free-tune-easy-big-fella https://soundcloud.com/karthy/darren-styles-screwface-2?in=karthy/sets/darren-styles-screwface https://soundcloud.com/x-fir3/clowny-seizure-x-fir3-remix
22:13	celeron55	hmmmmmm... http://i.imgur.com/Kp0CFNq.png
22:13	* Jordach	raises an eyebrow
22:14	Jordach	this graph makes no sense!
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22:17	celeron55	it's the bandwidth graph of minetest.net
22:18	LemonLake	sorry
22:18	LemonLake	i may or may not have been banding the widths
22:19	celeron55	practically all of those pageloads are coming from http://np.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/29vrkp/cant_run_minecraft_made_my_own/cioykjm
22:20	LemonLake	ah.
22:20	LemonLake	makes sense
22:22	celeron55	it's what happens when a link is in the top comment thread of a 400k subscriber subreddit
22:22	LemonLake	yep
22:22	celeron55	in a top-ranking post
22:23	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/JCt3Uuq.png
22:23	Jordach	we need to replace the homepage with that
22:23	LemonLake	celeron55
22:23	LemonLake	make this happen
22:23	LemonLake	put that image on the homepage.
22:24	Jordach	forum announcements (i can do that)
22:24	LemonLake	okay
22:24	LemonLake	put it there
22:24	LemonLake	tx
22:24	Jordach	1) i'm going to get shit thrown at me
22:25	EvergreenTree	PenguinDad: You and I have similar tastes in music
22:25	EvergreenTree	:3
22:25	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/Z6KJvf5.png
22:25	Jordach	sfan5, http://imgur.com/gallery/FTqrhbc
22:25	zorak	yep, i come from reddit
22:26	Jordach	(sorry about offending anyone)
22:26	Jordach	((i am a moderator and should know better)
22:26	Jordach	+)
22:26	zorak	lol
22:26	zorak	im not offended
22:28	celeron55	lol, that image looks funny on the front page
22:28	celeron55	maybe this isn't very professional
22:29	LemonLake	you actually did it
22:29	LemonLake	im so happy
22:29	celeron55	oops that image is like 400KB in size
22:29	celeron55	i
22:29	celeron55	i'll take it out
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22:36	PenguinDad	EvergreenTree: https://soundcloud.com/housemusic/secoya-run-codeko-remix https://soundcloud.com/rootkitmusic/savant-survive-rootkit-remix
22:37	Jordach	PenguinDad, needs more Basement Jaxx
22:37	Jordach	and Duke Dumont
22:43	Jordach	>your spotify account is being used elsewhere, so playback is paused
22:43	Jordach	yeah right, airplane mode ftwe
22:43	Jordach	-e
22:44	EvergreenTree	Well, I suppose it's a good thing minetest is getting traffic
22:44	EvergreenTree	or a bad thing
22:44	Jordach	there's the million dollar question
22:52	PenguinDad	I found a way to shrink players :)
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23:01	emerge	share :)
23:02	PenguinDad	Honey, I Shrunk Sam: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/mhO3ZWeSpBzJ.png
23:02	duke	Can you squish them under your feet?
23:02	emerge	Can he walk in 1x1 hole?
23:03	PenguinDad	emerge: he's only shrunk while in the cart
23:04	emerge	so, can he ride in a 1x1 hole?
23:04	PenguinDad	even without being shrunk he can
23:04	emerge	ok
23:09	PenguinDad	emerge: like here https://mediacru.sh/ArOo6oWSVMsK
23:11	emerge	:)
23:31	PenguinDad	Good night everyone!
23:31	LemonLake	gnight
23:32	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Ew7fAFqXTAKn.png ;P
23:32	LemonLake	u wot mate
23:32	Jordach	LemonLake, giving the UIs a bit of skin
23:32	Jordach	or well, metal
23:32	LemonLake	yeah
23:32	Jordach	they look nicer to look at
23:32	Jordach	#BFD
23:33	LemonLake	a bit too hd but this is bfd we're talking about
23:33	Jordach	(hashtag)
23:33	LemonLake	file size is just like 'fuck you'
23:33	Jordach	and yet nobody realised B mean BIG
23:33	LemonLake	um
23:33	LemonLake	i knew it from the start
23:33	LemonLake	what else would it be?
23:34	Jordach	a game that isnt MTG based
23:34	LemonLake	not following
23:34	Jordach	<Jordach> a Minecraft Modpack is a bunch of mods that work with each other creating a finished and well made feel
23:34	Jordach	<Jordach> current minetest subgames do not - my own game tried making headway into that middle ground
23:34	Jordach	<Jordach> a game shouldn't need anything else installed
23:35	Jordach	*by the user
23:35	LemonLake	yes yes
23:35	LemonLake	but why does nobody thing the b means big
23:37	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ux1YQ1AE5jKM.png :) instant desk

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