Time  Nick          Message
00:00 LemonLake     こんにちは
05:36 emerge        hello
05:38 emerge        I need some help. How do I get a list of nodes in a given group?
05:44 nore          emerge, you can go through the entire list on nodes, and keep only the ones in the group (nodedef.groups.<your group here>)
05:45 sfan5         meow
05:45 sfan5         hi everyone
05:46 emerge        nore, thank you. I'll try it.
06:08 emerge        nore, it works, but don't show all the nodes.
06:08 nore          what do you mean?
06:10 emerge        I do "for _,nodedef in pairs(minetest.registered_items) do print(nodedef.name) end" and it prints only 4 nodes.
06:11 emerge        looks like I somehow should iterate all nodes in the end
06:11 emerge        because these 4 nodes are defined before
06:13 kaeza         depending on your needs, you may want to build your list in a `minetest.after' callback, which is guaranteed to be called *after* all nodes have been regitered
06:13 kaeza         +s
06:14 kaeza         unless of course you need the list at load time
06:15 emerge        I want to register nodes based on nodes in group.
06:16 emerge        Well, if there's no way to use groups, I can use custom functions.
06:18 nore          first, I guess you need to use minetest.registered_nodes
06:19 nore          and IIRC, it is possible to register nodes after load time
06:19 nore          but it's not advised
06:20 sfan5         it should work if you register the nodes before the first person joins
06:21 sfan5         but the textures might not get transferred to the client
06:21 sfan5         it would probably work to register some dummy nodes with the textures you want to use at load time
06:21 emerge        nore, minetest.registered_nodes is same as minetest.registered_items, afaik
06:22 nore          perhaps it is, I'm not sure
06:22 kahrl         sfan5: iirc the server sends all texture/media files to the client
06:22 emerge        What's iirc?
06:22 kahrl         without checking if they are used in some node or item
06:22 kahrl         if i remember correctly
06:22 kaeza         Internet Internet Relay Chat
06:22 kaeza         <_<
06:22 kahrl         >_>
06:23 emerge        v_v
06:23 sfan5         <_<
06:24 kahrl         sfan5: it makes sense, too, because the item definitions could contain any combination of textures (e.g. texture1.png^texture2.png) and the parsing code for this stuff is only on the client
06:25 sfan5         yeah
06:25 sfan5         you're right
06:25 sfan5         I just looked in the code
06:25 Eater4        How do I set a game path?
06:25 sfan5         --gameid
06:25 sfan5         e.g. --gameid carbone
06:26 emerge        It works with minetest.after, yay.
06:26 Eater4        No like a legit path
06:26 sfan5         the game needs to be in <share path>/games/
06:26 sfan5         I don't think that is possible
06:26 Eater4        I don't see it there
06:26 sfan5         you need to copy/move it there
06:26 Eater4        It isn't in /usr/share/minetest
06:27 sfan5         /usr/share/minetest/games
06:27 Eater4        nothing is in minetest
06:27 emerge        --world will do a legit path
06:27 kaeza         ~/.minetest ?
06:27 Eater4        nope
06:27 Eater4        minetest is empty
06:27 sfan5         how did you install minetest?
06:28 Eater4        I installed it first RUN_IN_PLACE. But then I remade it after to RUNINPLACE = 0
06:28 sfan5         you did not install it correctly then
06:29 emerge        why not use --world?
06:29 Eater4        That's diffrent
06:29 kaeza         emerge, world != game
06:29 emerge        oh
06:29 emerge        ok
06:29 emerge        sorry then
06:30 Eater4        then there should be to copy's of minetest_game somewhere
06:30 Eater4        2*
06:30 sfan5         did you do "make install"?
06:31 Eater4        I think so, I don't remember
06:32 sfan5         do it again just in case
06:32 Eater4        Ok....
06:34 Eater4        make install? Right into the prompt?
06:34 sfan5         no
06:34 sfan5         cd into the directory where you built minetest firswt
06:34 sfan5         first*
06:35 Eater4        The very first time
06:36 Eater4        Ik minetest is in the run in place directory
06:36 Eater4        The game is there too
06:36 Eater4        It isn't in the not run in place directory
06:36 sfan5         then recompile minetest with RUN_IN_PLACE=1
06:37 Eater4        And the last time I checked....
06:38 Eater4        The mods from minetest game are still running
06:39 Eater4        So are you telling that when I maked it again it did not add those files
06:39 sfan5         you need to run make install
06:39 Eater4        Made*
06:57 * Zeno`       is scared of make install
06:58 Zeno`         Eater4, after you run cmake, paste the output somewhere
06:58 Zeno`         or better still, as a start, paste how you're running cmake somewhere
07:02 khonkhortisan I recommend cmake-gui
08:38 celeron55     i'm trying to compare carbone and minetest_next
08:38 celeron55     why don't carbone's chests work at all for me?
08:39 celeron55     this makes no sense
08:51 nman3600      Hi
08:51 nman3600      http://strawpoll.me/2050009/
08:51 nman3600      Please vote on it.
08:57 MinetestBot   GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Remove FPS from being next to the version string 2fee2ba 2014-07-05T11:55:13+03:00 http://git.io/4H6P_Q
09:00 nman3600      If you voted other on my poll please tell me what "other one" it is
09:06 Calinou       useless poll :(
09:06 Calinou       can't you choose by yourself?
09:06 Calinou       even our politicians do decision taking better
09:07 Calinou       anyway: underground is the best place, it's easier to access and almost impossible to spot
09:07 Calinou       even better is underwater (go to an ocean, dig down, start digging your base under the ocean)
09:07 Calinou       use a torch to block the water
09:13 nman3600      Calinou, Good idea. I've been trying to chose myself but each one has a problem.
09:13 Zeno`         celeron55, I liked it
09:14 nore          Calinou, the best is to use mesecons to make an invisible entrance
09:14 nore          then you can build it anywhere
09:15 Calinou       Zeno`, I appreciate that change, I always have 60 FPS :p
09:15 Calinou       so, no need to know FPS, except for debugging (F5)
09:15 Zeno`         true
09:15 Calinou       I don't need you need to know FPS unless you're tweaking graphic settings around anyway
09:16 Zeno`         but can't it be moved to show next to the version if f5 is selected?
09:16 Zeno`         without the graphs I mean
09:17 Calinou       if you press F5 once, no graphs show
09:17 Calinou       twice, graphs show
09:17 Zeno`         surely it should be a part of debug info
09:17 Zeno`         that commit above removes it completely
09:17 Calinou       you can know your FPS using drawtime anyway
09:18 Zeno`         multiply drawtime by 4?
09:18 Calinou       1000 / drawtime
09:19 Calinou       eg. 1000 / 50 = 20 FPS
09:19 Calinou       drawtime ignores FPS limit
09:19 Calinou       Zeno`, I still have FPS when pressing F5 here
09:19 PenguinDad    Zeno`: it is a part of debug info
09:20 Calinou       Zeno`, as long as your drawtime stays below 16, you'll have 60 FPS; the lower the drawtime, the easier it is for your PC to handle 60 FPS ;)
09:20 Calinou       it's between 7 and 12 here
09:20 Zeno`         I haven't compiled after that commit but I can't see where the code was replaced (I've only looked at that one commit message though)
09:21 Zeno`         https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/2fee2baf98cd452f7d0e4acb6c82617b7c7b995a
09:21 Zeno`         it was removed but not added back into debug info afaikc from that commit
09:22 PenguinDad    Zeno`: it wasn't removed from debug info
09:24 PenguinDad    Zeno`: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/game.cpp#L3204
09:26 Eater4        This upcoming versoin kills tablets right?9
09:26 Eater4        ?
09:26 Zeno`         gosh, no wonder I missed it
09:26 Zeno`         thanks PD
09:26 Calinou       kills tablets?
09:27 Eater4        not kill, I meant (is not going to be compatible with tablets)
09:27 jp            "thanks PD"    :))
09:27 Zeno`         yeah, PenguinDad is too hard to type
09:27 nman3600      It seems everybody wants my secret base built in a mountain
09:27 Zeno`         so he is now known as PD
09:27 Calinou       no idea what “PD” was
09:28 jp            Just funny
09:28 Calinou       nman3600, not the best idea
09:28 PenguinDad    PD means Public Domain too
09:28 Calinou       easier for cheaters to detect
09:28 Calinou       PenguinDad, that's what I thought
09:28 Zeno`         Context, context, context
09:29 nman3600      Calinou, Inside a mountain with no outside entrance. I'll make the outside look as real as possible (I'll set a travel net to the inside of the mountain.
09:29 nman3600      )
09:31 Zeno`         the_game()
09:31 Zeno`         longest function in history
09:31 Eater4        std...
09:32 Eater4        Zeno`: lol
09:32 Calinou       I'm sure some projects have longer stuff, Zeno`
09:34 jp            Calinou : you can make bright some ores (ony the ores) inlaid in the stone ?
09:34 jp            only*
09:34 Calinou       ores that emit light are possible
09:35 jp            Not the stone eh, just the ores.
09:35 nman3600      Still possible I think
09:35 Zeno`         Calinou, possibly
09:35 Calinou       jp, not possible
09:35 Calinou       glowmaps are not supported in Minetest, sadly
09:36 Calinou       would have been very useful
09:36 jp            Pity...
09:42 Zeno`         https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/game.cpp#L3503
09:42 Zeno`         so hard to understand
09:55 nman3600      I still need votes, http://strawpoll.me/2050009/
09:57 LemonLake     I now prefer GIMP over Photoshop.
09:58 LemonLake     It took a while for that to happen, but it's happened.
09:58 LemonLake     The airbrush is way better and Smooth Stroke just wins it for me.
09:58 LemonLake     Paths also work so much better.
10:01 * PenguinDad  hugs LemonLake
10:02 Calinou       <LemonLake> I now prefer GIMP over Photoshop.
10:02 * Calinou     nods
10:02 LemonLake     Yeah, it took a while :P
10:02 Calinou       or, better since it's #minetest
10:02 * Calinou     nodes
10:02 LemonLake     you and your shitty puns :P
10:02 Calinou       <LemonLake> Paths also work so much better.
10:02 Calinou       I used paths to fake drawing on a scanned paper
10:02 LemonLake     I use paths to make vectors.
10:02 Calinou       looks like actual drawing of lines, even dashed lines
10:03 LemonLake     The only problem with gimp paths is that they don't work like shapes, but they're just things that you can fill/strokre.
10:03 Calinou       you can draw a line
10:03 LemonLake     Though I kind of like it like that, too
10:03 Calinou       for vector stuff… use Inkscape
10:04 * nman3600    tools
10:04 * nman3600    items
10:04 LemonLake     Nah
10:04 LemonLake     I prefer gimp because of the range of other tools
10:04 LemonLake     They work much better than PS and IS
10:05 LemonLake     https://mediacru.sh/1MCu29JBWCG5 That, with exception of the eyes which is done with an airbrush, consists of 96 paths
10:05 Calinou       Inkscape is a true vector tool, GIMP is raster
10:05 LemonLake     I prefer raster, actually
10:05 Calinou       limited definition :/
10:06 LemonLake     Limited definition?
10:06 Calinou       resolution
10:06 Calinou       vectors can be rendered to any resolution
10:06 LemonLake     Correct.
10:07 nman3600      Bumb: http://strawpoll.me/2050009/
10:07 nman3600      Please vote
10:07 LemonLake     But I prefer raster, because unlike vectors, you can achieve post-effects on-site.
10:07 LemonLake     nman, please don't spam, this is an IRC channel where usually only 3 people are active at once at this time
10:07 PenguinDad    Viva la résolution!
10:07 LemonLake     Calinou, to get high resolutions, just work in a very high resolution. Scale down/zoom as necessary.
10:08 asie          LemonLake: not everyone has a good enough computer
10:09 LemonLake     I usually work in wallpaper style
10:09 Calinou       LemonLake, inefficient, big file size :P
10:09 LemonLake     So I go no more than 4k.
10:09 sfan5         LemonLake: but 8K displays...
10:09 asie          also LemonLake that's neat
10:09 LemonLake     Yep, but I just ship a 1080p jpg with tiny compression.
10:09 Calinou       3840 × 2160 is Ultra HD, not 4K, 4K is 4096 × 2160
10:09 asie          but the gradient on the eyes bothers me
10:09 Calinou       2:1, very uncommon ratio ;)
10:09 asie          very very heavily
10:09 asie          it's too dense at the inner part
10:09 LemonLake     Too dense?
10:09 asie          yes, the change is too quick and not gradual enough
10:09 sfan5         LemonLake: 2160p or actual 4K?
10:09 LemonLake     Okay.
10:09 asie          also it's too "smooth" compared to the rest of the art
10:10 LemonLake     2160p.
10:10 asie          but that's just my opinion
10:10 LemonLake     Yeah, I was hesitant to add eyes but because of the characters I felt it was ultimately necessary
10:10 asie          wish i could draw sometimes
10:15 LemonLake     asie: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/T72C4714gn9k.png
10:16 LemonLake     better?
10:16 asie          LemonLake: not sure.
10:32 Hirato        what have you done
10:32 MinetestBot   GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix typos in doc/lua-api.txt 5f9962e 2014-07-05T12:19:55+02:00 http://git.io/VONYEA
10:55 nman3600      Hello lemonlake_
11:23 Jordach       http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/29vrkp/cant_run_minecraft_made_my_own/ciozegx
11:23 Jordach       tl;dr CAUGHT RED HANDED
11:24 sfan5         oh god
11:24 sfan5         did that just really happen?
11:24 Jordach       yes it did
11:25 Jordach       this explains why we were being copied
11:25 Jordach       >custom block models >nodeboxes
11:27 Jordach       Minetest in /r/minecraft (I REALLY need to smoke a phat one)
11:28 * sfan5       throws /r/Minetest at Jordach
11:31 sfan5         https://pay.reddit.com/r/Minetest/ could use some lovew
11:31 sfan5         -w
11:34 Jordach       pay.reddit ?
11:34 * Jordach     is confused
11:37 * PenguinDad  just noticed what the Fourth of July is
11:40 sfan5         Jordach: ability to use https on redit
11:40 sfan5         reddit*
11:40 Jordach       AH
11:45 markv         Hi!
11:47 * markv       starts minecraft server
12:49 * Jordach     mews at LemonLake
12:50 * LemonLake   mews back
12:50 * sfan5       mews at Jordach
12:59 PenguinDad    Mew used mew. It's super effective!
13:03 MinetestBot   GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/master-server: Highlight the hovered entry in very light gray 9b393da 2014-07-05T14:55:59+02:00 http://git.io/1b5o6A
13:03 MinetestBot   GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/master-server: Add note that 'ALLOW_UPDATE_WITHOUT_OLD' causes problems f684692 2014-07-03T19:01:18+02:00 http://git.io/0JIMHg
13:03 MinetestBot   GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/master-server: Add 'ALLOW_UPDATE_WITHOUT_OLD' config option b6cae2f 2014-07-03T19:01:18+02:00 http://git.io/Ovt98Q
13:03 sfan5         oh god wtf
13:04 LemonLake     sfan5: i may have been a bit rumb
13:04 LemonLake     dumb*
13:04 LemonLake     see, this xcf takes ~6 seconds to save
13:04 LemonLake     and i was about to restart, then did a quick save just before restarting. i forgot it took 6 seconds.
13:04 LemonLake     so now i've lost half the image :/
13:05 sfan5         :(
13:05 LemonLake     luckily most layers that were lost were just references
13:05 LemonLake     though the proportions are slightly incorrect, so i have to shuffle things around to fix it
13:08 MinetestBot   GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/master-server: Use 'display' instead of 'visibility' to prevent the page from having white space at the bottom 6c3d50f 2014-07-05T15:06:05+02:00 http://git.io/1BIZwA
14:01 LemonLake     sfan5: did I do it right? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/xCRTALYoutRp.png
14:02 LemonLake     mainly tomoya's eyes
14:02 sfan5         yep
14:02 LemonLake     :D I'm getting the hang of this eye thing
14:02 sfan5         the main thing is: you can draw
14:02 sfan5         you can actually draw
14:02 sfan5         while everyone else can't
14:02 LemonLake     :P
14:03 LemonLake     it's mostly just a hobby
14:08 LemonLake     whoa
14:08 LemonLake     that image contains 146 paths and 52 layers
14:39 * sfan5       meows at LemonLake
14:42 LemonLake     Yes?
14:43 sfan5         meow :3
14:44 LemonLake     meow
15:20 Jordach       RealBadAngel, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djbq3tiMbYM
15:20 LemonLake     cool
15:20 LemonLake     yes
15:20 LemonLake     nice
15:20 Rhy5          Hello
15:20 Rhy5          :D
15:20 Jordach       they are height limited on purpose :P
15:20 LemonLake     i thought that was intended
15:21 LemonLake     you fill it in and it goes to the next one up
15:21 Jordach       BuildCraft is unlimited
15:21 Rhy5          Sorry to bother you guys, on about the game or mod?
15:21 Jordach       (tanks are, mine are limited by physics, but you can always make filling platforms)
15:21 Jordach       Rhy5, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djbq3tiMbYM
15:21 Rhy5          Ah, thanks.
15:22 LemonLake     You joined literally after he posted the link
15:22 Rhy5          Lemon, haha :)
15:22 Rhy5          Jordach, very nice indeed.
15:22 Jordach       however, it'll kill it's filling loop - one the condition that the node above is not in the tanks nodespace
15:23 Rhy5          So, I assume it's BuildCraft mod?
15:23 Jordach       Rhy5, that's part of BFD
15:23 Rhy5          Right.
15:23 Jordach       (i needed a way to store liquids visually without chests)
15:24 LemonLake     Nice to see glasslike_framed being used well
15:24 PenguinDad    TIL minetest-classic gets worse with every version
15:24 LemonLake     ??
15:24 Jordach       LemonLake, that's a nodebox
15:24 Jordach       NODEBOX!
15:24 LemonLake     ah
15:25 Rhy5          Node with a box on top :)
15:25 Jordach       i ain't using RBA's bad tanks code
15:25 LemonLake     fancy texture hacking
15:25 Jordach       https://cdn.mediacru.sh/mLOsSsnZ4_l2.png
15:25 Rhy5          Jordach, haha, I see why. :)
15:25 LemonLake     um
15:25 Rhy5          Do you know when you open a chest, what is the inventory that appears?
15:26 LemonLake     with glasslike_framed its just a byte
15:26 Rhy5          What is it called exactly?
15:26 LemonLake     it shows main
15:26 LemonLake     node;main
15:26 Jordach       LemonLake, but with how i did it you can use different types of nodebox
15:26 Jordach       just just a cube
15:26 Jordach       (you can even have barrels)
15:26 LemonLake     with glasslike_framed you dont even need a nodebox
15:26 Jordach       LemonLake, 1) it looks like shit
15:26 Jordach       2) no user expandibility
15:27 Rhy5          Hmm, I'm wanting to create a node;main for a mod I want to make. Somehow, I want to make a crafting table, but only certain crafts can only be crafted in that crafting table, not normal crafting.
15:27 LemonLake     Okay, that's not exactly what it is :P
15:27 LemonLake     You'll want an inventory, a formspec, and a way to make your own crafting.
15:27 Rhy5          About the limit to only using that crafting table though?
15:27 sfan5         Jordach: why not declare bfd ready to be bundled with MT?
15:28 LemonLake     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3465 That would be useful to create your own recipe method.
15:28 Jordach       sfan5, because 0.4 and it's buggy as fuck in places
15:28 Rhy5          Thanks LemonLake
15:28 Rhy5          Jordach, +1
15:28 LemonLake     But you'll need your own formspec.
15:28 LemonLake     And an inventory.
15:28 Jordach       Rhy5, use the Terraria method - just have the materials and you're able to make it
15:28 Jordach       no guides - nothing :3
15:28 LemonLake     I'm actually a fan of the terraria method
15:29 Rhy5          Jordach, I might do that for a seperate mod later, but not the mod I have in head.
15:29 LemonLake     It's very unique
15:29 Rhy5          And very helpful.
15:29 Jordach       LemonLake, MC360 does the same thing :P
15:29 LemonLake     MC360? wasdat
15:29 Jordach       XBLA MC
15:29 * ecutruin    wants to do no crafting GUI at all. ^-~
15:29 LemonLake     Yes, but you can see the recipes.
15:29 LemonLake     Well, the items you can make
15:29 LemonLake     They're just greyed out
15:29 Rhy5          Jordach, the terraria method is beyond my knowledge of modding, maybe you can do it? :)
15:30 LemonLake     I'm happy to make one.
15:30 LemonLake     But I don't see the point of making one.
15:30 Jordach       basically shapeless without having to do the shapeless part :)
15:30 LemonLake     That's more game-level than mod-level.
15:30 Rhy5          Lemon, definetly don't want it implemented to the engine either.
15:31 Rhy5          Maybe a craft guide implemented via default craft would be nice, but not shapeless crafting :)
15:31 LemonLake     Ummm...why?
15:31 LemonLake     The terraria method is practically just shapeless.
15:31 LemonLake     Then it loops through all crafting recipes, checks if you have the items and then shows them.
15:31 Rhy5          I mean, have  the normal crafting, with a craft guide next to it.
15:32 LemonLake     unified_inventory
15:32 Rhy5          But a simpler version of ui.
15:32 Calinou       pen<Rhy5> Hmm, I'm wanting to create a node;main for a mod I want to make. Somehow, I want to make a crafting table, but only certain crafts can only be crafted in that crafting table, not normal crafting.
15:32 Calinou       make it larger
15:32 LemonLake     There's a mod that does that, forgot the name.
15:32 Calinou       that's what darkrose's 4 × 4 and 5 × 5 workbench mod did
15:32 PenguinDad    wtf is the terraria at all
15:32 Calinou       <Jordach> Rhy5, use the Terraria method - just have the materials and you're able to make it
15:32 PenguinDad    + method
15:32 Calinou       I would have liked that in Minetest
15:33 Calinou       you get to choose from a bunch of items using only material count
15:33 Rhy5          Indeed.
15:33 Calinou       PenguinDad, eg. you want to craft 1 wooden pick. you put 2 sticks and 3 wooden planks, you can choose between wooden pick and wooden axe
15:33 * Jordach     wonders if paramat can make a Terraria like mapgen
15:33 Rhy5          But, I'm wanting to do ANOTHER mod ;)
15:33 Rhy5          Can't believe Minetest is turning into Terraria.
15:33 Rhy5          Sorry c55 ;)
15:33 LemonLake     umm
15:33 LemonLake     what?
15:34 LemonLake     that was weird.
15:34 LemonLake     i dont even have a clue what just happened
15:35 Calinou       such a thing is also used by Minecraft PE and on the xbox
15:35 Calinou       it's easier to use and less confusing to newbies, making the game easier to introduce to people probably
15:36 PenguinDad    The terraria method of crafting is the worst method I could have imagined
15:37 RealBadAngel  Jordach, nice attempt, but not even close to my "bad" tanks ;)
15:37 RealBadAngel  sorry :)
15:37 LemonLake     <Rhy5> Can't believe Minetest is turning into Terraria.
15:37 LemonLake     nobody ever said that.
15:39 Jordach       ok, that works
15:39 RealBadAngel  Jordach, make a tank like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQ--DOaEHI
15:39 RealBadAngel  with so short code:
15:40 LemonLake     as i said, glasslike_framed is so much better than nodeboxes
15:40 LemonLake     beats them anyday
15:41 RealBadAngel  http://pastebin.com/D2cRDSbR
15:41 RealBadAngel  not to mention it has 64 liquid levels possible :P
15:41 Jordach       okay, that's working
15:41 LemonLake     +RBA
15:41 Calinou       LemonLake, it can't replace everything nodeboxes do; also, glasslike_framed is dynamic
15:42 Jordach       with meshnodes make that infinite
15:42 RealBadAngel  Jordach, ofc
15:42 Calinou       (by the way: can you make it so that the frame and the node itself use different textures? I want to be able to make “connected” glass)
15:42 Calinou       seamless glass, borders only where appropriate
15:42 RealBadAngel  Calinou, no problem
15:42 RealBadAngel  its done that way
15:42 LemonLake     isn't that the purpose of it?
15:42 RealBadAngel  1st texture is for frame
15:43 RealBadAngel  2nd (and 3rd and 4th if supported) are for glass
15:43 LemonLake     ^
15:43 RealBadAngel  if just 2nd is here, it is used for all the faces
15:44 RealBadAngel  when 3 are here, 2nd is for sides, 3rd = top, 4th bottom
15:44 markv         Hi
15:44 RealBadAngel  special_tiles[0] is the interior
15:44 RealBadAngel  and it can be animated or not
15:44 Calinou       thanks RealBadAngel
15:44 Calinou       interior? O_o
15:44 RealBadAngel  interior volume
15:45 RealBadAngel  it can be liquid or something else
15:45 RealBadAngel  like stone for example
15:45 LemonLake     you can use param2 to control it
15:46 RealBadAngel  param2 MSB -> LSB 7 - disable vertical mergeing, 6 - disable horizontal mergeing, 5 -0 interior volume
15:47 LemonLake     its so handy
15:50 RealBadAngel  with 0.4.10 out i will make special tiles to be also 6 elements as regular tiles are
15:50 RealBadAngel  switcheable by a param
15:50 RealBadAngel  so interior could be a chest for example
15:51 RealBadAngel  but that change requires protocol bump
15:51 RealBadAngel  also, furnaces or all two stated nodes will become dead simple
15:51 RealBadAngel  and one def
15:51 RealBadAngel  with just a flag to set which tiles to use
15:54 RealBadAngel  propably i will add next param to control that behavoiur
15:55 markv         I wonder if i can request a picture of a chunk of the earth to be taken by sattelite
15:56 LemonLake     what do you mean?
16:00 Jordach       PilzAdam, what's the difference between break and return
16:00 PilzAdam      !pil Jordach
16:00 MinetestBot   Jordach, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
16:00 PilzAdam      :-p
16:00 Jordach       PilzAdam, googling doesn't help
16:00 LemonLake     break just exits a loop
16:00 LemonLake     return exits a function
16:00 PilzAdam      break breaks a loop, return returns from a function
16:01 Jordach       PilzAdam, the most upper loop, eg the second for loop in a for loop
16:01 Jordach       then i'm doing it wrong
16:01 PilzAdam      Jordach, open any programming book every written about any programming language ever invented and youll find break and return
16:01 LemonLake     ^
16:01 PilzAdam      -y
16:02 PilzAdam      if used in a nested loop, break breaks the innermost loop
16:02 Jordach       which means the nested or original
16:02 LemonLake     say you have "for, for, for, break end, end, end"
16:02 Calinou       <Jordach> PilzAdam, googling doesn't help
16:02 Calinou       it never does
16:02 Jordach       LemonLake, yes
16:03 LemonLake     the third for loop will be broken
16:03 Jordach       right
16:03 LemonLake     the second and first will stay
16:04 Jordach       so for i=1,16 do if x == true then print x break end if y == true then print y end
16:04 Jordach       so the if statement dies but not the for loop
16:05 LemonLake     the for loop dies
16:05 LemonLake     an if statement != a loop
16:05 Jordach       if else?
16:05 LemonLake     break affects while loops and for loops
16:06 Jordach       right
16:06 LemonLake     there is no reason to break from an if statement
16:07 Jordach       if there are if statements below it
16:07 LemonLake     ...
16:08 LemonLake     there's a fancy thing
16:08 LemonLake     it's called if/else
16:08 LemonLake     are you new to programming? this is beginner-level
16:09 PilzAdam      this is tough
16:09 PilzAdam      even LemonLake is making fun of you
16:09 PilzAdam      :-p
16:09 Jordach       PilzAdam, i haven't Lua'd in ages
16:10 LemonLake     this isn't just lua
16:10 LemonLake     this is 98% of all programming languages ever
16:11 * Jordach     got it working, but now deals with content_ignore again
16:12 PenguinDad    Jordach: just ignore content_ignore :P
16:12 Jordach       tl;dr i was using a non existing node
16:13 LemonLake     <PilzAdam> even LemonLake is making fun of you
16:13 LemonLake     can you please explain?
16:13 PilzAdam      it was meant as an insult against you
16:14 LemonLake     ah, so im bad too? sounds about right
16:22 Jordach       hmm
16:45 Megaf         !up minetest.megaf.info 30001
16:45 MinetestBot   minetest.megaf.info:30001 is up (582ms)
16:45 Megaf         !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
16:45 MinetestBot   minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (233ms)
16:45 Megaf         http://servers.minetest.net/ not working again
16:46 Megaf         Or maybe it's just a little slow]
16:48 sfan5         Megaf: https://github.com/minetest/master-server/issues/1
16:51 Calinou       Jordach, I like the new chests, but they use a lot of nodeboxes
16:51 Calinou       I would rather use a cubic lock on the texture, to make them use less nodeboxes
16:51 Calinou       with something like that, you could get away with only 2 nodeboxes
16:57 RealBadAngel  Calinou, with chests i would rather wait for meshes
16:57 RealBadAngel  it will be simpler and nicer then
16:57 Calinou       meh, animation isn't too important and requires on_rightclick code
16:58 Calinou       there's nothing wrong with using nodeboxes
16:58 RealBadAngel  but some miss chest open animation :)
16:58 Calinou       it's overrated
16:59 Calinou       especially if you play an annoying sound each time a chest is opened
16:59 RealBadAngel  but still nice eye candy ;)
16:59 ecutruin      I want much more eye candy. ^-~
16:59 ecutruin      I also, as mentioned in the PM want better entity prediciton client-side.. (and pitch/roll for entities would be nice too).
17:01 PenguinDad    As long as animated chests don't get into carbone I have no problem with mechnodes
17:01 PenguinDad    *meshnodes
17:01 ecutruin      I may actually start making things for MT one we have both of those though.. ^-~  Animated blocks = <3 and being able to at least move entities without issues like with V's pipes.. I'd be able to do a lot with those alone.
17:02 ecutruin      PenguinDad, I'm curious why you dislike animated blocks. o.o;
17:02 Calinou       meshnodes sounds like “mushrooms” to me
17:02 Calinou       <ecutruin> I also, as mentioned in the PM want better entity prediciton client-side.. (and pitch/roll for entities would be nice too).
17:02 Calinou       pitch seems to require a large engine change, but would be useful, in addition to yaw/pitch change interpolation
17:02 * ecutruin    nods.
17:03 * Calinou     nodes. ;)
17:03 * sfan5       items
17:05 LemonLake     ecutruin: http://www.pramworld.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/c/icandy-peach-2-carrycot-black-magic_1.jpg
17:05 * ecutruin    laughs.
17:10 LemonLake     still can't believe that this: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/xCRTALYoutRp.png
17:10 LemonLake     is 52 layers
17:11 ecutruin      Hehe.
17:11 LemonLake     that's 2 days of work
17:12 LemonLake     and i still have a body, an entirely other character + dangos + a background to do
17:12 ecutruin      Very nice.
17:12 RealBadAngel  Calinou, in fact everythin visible are meshes
17:13 RealBadAngel  point is to allow models to be nodes
17:14 LemonLake     だんご 大家族
17:14 LemonLake     <3
17:14 RealBadAngel  http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o73/Azail/Combiner.png
17:15 RealBadAngel  like here ;)
17:15 LemonLake     uwot
17:15 LemonLake     what kind of abomination is this
17:15 LemonLake     how many people must i kill to make sure that this never occurs
17:16 LemonLake     sfan5: i completely underestimated japanese, i thought I knew all the alphabet but then i forgot...kanji
17:16 sfan5         you can't know all kanji
17:16 LemonLake     well hey, i know katakana and hirigana
17:16 RealBadAngel  thats 300 dwarves displyaed at the same time, using mesh combiner
17:16 LemonLake     i suppose that's good enough
17:16 LemonLake     ill of course need to learn quite a bit of kanji, too, probably grade 1 and 2
17:16 sfan5         LemonLake: I think you should at least know the kanji for cat
17:17 Calinou       <RealBadAngel> point is to allow models to be nodes
17:17 Calinou       how easy is this?
17:17 LemonLake     how do you write kanji with mozc?
17:17 sfan5         LemonLake: tab kery
17:17 sfan5         -r
17:18 LemonLake     のtふぉっぉうぃんｇ
17:18 LemonLake     whoa
17:18 LemonLake     not following
17:18 LemonLake     left mozc on :P
17:18 sfan5         猫
17:18 PenguinDad    https://cdn.mediacru.sh/SglcJCVnxxH_.png random color glass frames in carbone \o/
17:18 sfan5         ^ that was: neko <tab> <return>
17:19 LemonLake     あｈ
17:19 LemonLake     ah, pressing tab just closes it for me
17:19 LemonLake     i have to do neko <return> <return>
17:19 LemonLake     ねこ
17:19 LemonLake     dafuq
17:19 sfan5         ????
17:19 LemonLake     this thing is taking the piss, hold up
17:20 LemonLake     ah, i see. I gotta get a better IRC client
17:20 LemonLake     uwotm8
17:20 sfan5         meow
17:21 LemonLake     for me in xchat, pressing tab erases the message and goes to the nicklist
17:21 LemonLake     rarely return x2 works
17:21 sfan5         not for me
17:21 sfan5         猫の目
17:21 sfan5         lol
17:22 sfan5         mozc even has completion results for white cat
17:22 LemonLake     s/nicklist/chanlist
17:22 sfan5         ah wait
17:23 sfan5         白 was white, 目 seems to mean "eye"
17:29 LemonLake     Whatkey would you recommend?
17:29 LemonLake     I'm changing the tab key
17:31 sfan5         I'd reccommend tab
17:31 sfan5         -c
17:31 LemonLake     I can't use tab
17:31 PenguinDad    LemonLake: maybe Ctrl-Shift-Tab
17:31 * ecutruin    pouts that there is connected glass, but not connected other textures. >.<
17:31 LemonLake     Or even just ctrl + tab
17:32 Calinou       ecutruin, any transparent node can be connected
17:32 Calinou       you could use an opaque texture, but the game would still treat it as transparent
17:32 ecutruin      Yeah, that's the issue.. I wouldn't want it to be transparent.. I'd also want more then one pixel of edge for many things.
17:33 Calinou       thickness would be better if it was configurable, indeed
17:33 Calinou       RealBadAngel, ;)
17:37 LemonLake     猫
17:37 LemonLake     ah
17:37 LemonLake     neko <space> <return>
17:45 RealBadAngel  Calinou, by now its 1 pixel size out of 16
17:45 RealBadAngel  like in default textures
17:45 Calinou       I know
17:45 Calinou       but how about using a node property to change it?
17:46 RealBadAngel  shouldnt be any problem
17:46 LemonLake     sfan5: ﾆｬｰ
17:46 RealBadAngel  most problematic would be finding the place where and how to define it
17:46 RealBadAngel  than actual code
17:47 sfan5         LemonLake: halfwidth kana are very tiny, use fullwidth ones: ニャー
17:47 LemonLake     whoa
17:47 LemonLake     i tried :P
17:47 LemonLake     ニャー
17:47 LemonLake     there we go
17:48 Calinou       RealBadAngel, could be a normal node property, same as leveled nodebox
17:48 RealBadAngel  param2 taken
17:48 Calinou       frame_thickness = (size in 1/64 of node)
17:48 Calinou       RealBadAngel, a group then? the client is aware of the groups
17:48 LemonLake     i thought just using param2 is fine
17:49 LemonLake     adding extra attr. is just lazy
17:49 RealBadAngel  param2 all bits are already used
17:50 LemonLake     hm
17:55 marc_         NICK irishfight
17:55 LemonLake     NICK nick
17:55 irishfight    forgot the /
17:56 irishfight    Just found this game from a reddit post - have only played about a hour and im already loving it more than minecraft (plus it plays better on my shitty laptop)
17:57 LemonLake     :D That's awesome!
17:57 irishfight    what is the game written in?
17:57 LemonLake     C++, mods are made in Lua.
17:57 DogePony      C++ and Lua
17:57 Jordach       irishfight, you mean http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/29vrkp/cant_run_minecraft_made_my_own/ciozegx
17:58 Jordach       in particular
17:58 LemonLake     WAIIIIIT
17:58 LemonLake     WAITIITITIWTI
17:58 LemonLake     UWOT
17:58 irishfight    Hmm...i may have to learn C++ - is it a large leap from PHP?
17:58 LemonLake     Jeb supports  Minetest?
17:58 LemonLake     irishfight: not much, but unless you want to develop the core engine, just work with Lua.
17:58 irishfight    Yes Jordach
17:59 sfan5         irishfight: C++ is not very far from PHP
17:59 sfan5         except that C++ is not as bad as PHP
17:59 irishfight    I want to design some other "items" like shovels, swords, etc
17:59 sfan5         for that you would use Lua
17:59 LemonLake     Yep.
17:59 sfan5         http://dev.minetest.net/Intro
17:59 LemonLake     Plus, I'm pretty sure there's a feature freeze on the engine until the new release.
17:59 LemonLake     Which, iirc, is tomorrow
18:00 LemonLake     so...jeb supports minetest
18:00 LemonLake     til
18:00 Calinou       uh
18:00 irishfight    thanks for the link sfan
18:00 Calinou       ≥We are very defensive when it comes to Minecraft, as it's our game and trademark, but we do not try to prevent people from making their own games. In the end it's more important that players have fun, even if it's not our game they're playing.”
18:00 * Calinou     starts playing dead…
18:01 Calinou       …to finally roll on floor laughing.
18:01 LemonLake     Calinou: 猫
18:02 sfan5         LemonLake: 白
18:03 LemonLake     白猫
18:03 LemonLake     yes?
18:03 sfan5         you forgot a particle
18:03 LemonLake     ah
18:03 sfan5         and it's the wrong way around
18:03 LemonLake     I donono kanji :P
18:03 sfan5         particles != kanji
18:03 sfan5         猫の白
18:03 LemonLake     plis expin
18:04 LemonLake     I see
18:05 LemonLake     の is the particle for posessive, yes?
18:05 LemonLake     so it's literally 'cat with white'
18:05 sfan5         LemonLake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_particles
18:06 sfan5         ..
18:06 LemonLake     hmm
18:07 LemonLake     I think I get this
18:08 Jordach       wtf
18:09 Jordach       this line returns ignore abovenode = minetest.get_node({tnodepos.x, tnodepos.y+highpoint, tnodepos.z})
18:09 LemonLake     wanna know why?
18:09 sfan5         Jordach: your forgot the x= y= and z=
18:09 LemonLake     you need to do x=
18:09 LemonLake     etc
18:09 Jordach       oh right
18:10 sfan5         LemonLake: it was actually the right way around
18:10 sfan5         here's an example:
18:10 LemonLake     hm? I got it right?
18:10 sfan5         orange cat translates to オレンジ色の猫
18:16 nman3600      Just a reminder: My strawpoll is still open (http://strawpoll.me/2050009/) I'm trying not to spam I just want as many votes as possible until I'm ready to build.
18:16 LemonLake     So it'd be 白の猫?
18:16 LemonLake     nman, stop asking other people, just build it.
18:16 sfan5         LemonLake: yes
18:16 LemonLake     its your build, your idea/choice
18:18 nman3600      LemonLake I'm waiting for the server to built it on...
18:18 Taoki         Hi, I have a question; Must texture packages necessarily be a power of two (such as 16 x 16 or 32 x 32)? Or is theoretically any resolution okay at the very end
18:18 Jordach       WAT
18:19 PilzAdam      Taoki, MineToon is 250 x 250
18:19 Taoki         Cool. Means it should be ok yeah
18:19 sfan5         Taoki: any resolution is ok
18:20 Jordach       wf
18:20 Jordach       wtf
18:20 Jordach       there are two nodes at y=1, yet on_punch pos returns 3 or 4
18:21 Jordach       and printing with this print ("x="..pos.x.." y="..pos.y.." z="..pos.z)
18:21 LemonLake     just dump pos
18:21 LemonLake     print(dump(pos))
18:22 Jordach       and my user co-ords don't match on Y either
18:22 Jordach       {["y"] = 4, ["x"] = -49, ["z"] = -154}
18:23 LemonLake     well duh
18:23 LemonLake     as long as it's one off
18:23 Jordach       LemonLake, pos is not modified
18:23 LemonLake     what is the user y?
18:23 LemonLake     and what is the pos y?
18:23 Jordach       1.5
18:23 Jordach       1.6*
18:23 LemonLake     pos y?
18:25 Jordach       the numbers seem to be boosted by two
18:25 celeron55     so, what do people think if in 0.4.10 there will be no other bundled game than minetest_next merged into minetest_game?
18:25 LemonLake     Jordach: makes sense.
18:25 LemonLake     celeron55: I can get down with that
18:25 Jordach       there's the code used to get that number
18:25 Jordach       http://paste.debian.net/108296/
18:26 Jordach       LemonLake, some nodes despite being the same have a differing Y value
18:26 nore          celeron55: why?
18:26 celeron55     there are too many reasons to not bundle any other game; the reasons circle around either them being too similar or too incomplete
18:27 celeron55     carbone gets closest to being worthwhile at this moment
18:27 LemonLake     ace of picks is coming along
18:27 LemonLake     but not sure if that's bundle-worthy
18:27 Calinou       games must be finished to be put in the default installation
18:27 Jordach       celeron55, i'd offer mine, but i'm too busy why the code i pasted gets the wrong node position
18:27 Calinou       finished as in, playable, not buggy…
18:27 LemonLake     i mean for next ver
18:27 LemonLake     not 0.4.10
18:28 LemonLake     it still has to be finished, then tested
18:28 Calinou       0.4.10 release is tomorrow I think
18:28 celeron55     i would like to encourage people to put effort in developing different kinds of smaller subgames and polishing them for 0.4.11
18:28 celeron55     and making them accessible for new players
18:28 Jordach       LemonLake, my head is at 3.5
18:28 LemonLake     My head is full of air.
18:29 celeron55     also yes, 0.4.10 release is locked to tomorrow
18:29 Jordach       celeron55, there appears to be a bug with on_punch pos and dumping the table
18:29 Jordach       it has wrong co-ords
18:29 LemonLake     Jordach, have you looked at the node positioning?
18:29 LemonLake     There's a wiki page for it, lemmef ind ti
18:29 celeron55     file an issue, that's not my concern right now
18:29 Jordach       LemonLake, i have
18:30 Jordach       player co-ords for x and z are identical
18:30 LemonLake     http://dev.minetest.net/pointed_thing
18:30 LemonLake     I think you want to use .under, instead of .above?
18:30 Jordach       LemonLake, i'm not
18:30 Jordach       read the paste
18:30 Jordach       <Jordach> http://paste.debian.net/108296/
18:31 DogePony      Jordach: the error is at line 3 of that paste
18:31 LemonLake     omg of course
18:31 Jordach       wat
18:31 LemonLake     tnodepos = node.pos
18:31 LemonLake     pos is the player pos
18:31 Jordach       line?
18:31 PenguinDad    LemonLake: you're wrong
18:31 celeron55     also, for example nodetest is waiting for the engine to fix some mob issues before it includes mobs, which are quite important for nodetest's survival focus
18:31 LemonLake     I always am
18:31 LemonLake     deal with it
18:32 LemonLake     But why tnodepos = pos?
18:32 LemonLake     Just use pos?
18:32 Jordach       LemonLake, because i will need to modify it
18:33 LemonLake     ydat?
18:33 LemonLake     "tnodepos.y = tnodepos.y + 1"
18:33 PenguinDad    Jordach: If you modify tnodepos you actually modify pos
18:33 Jordach       eh
18:33 LemonLake     just use pos + nodeup
18:33 LemonLake     well, pos.y + nodeup
18:33 Jordach       that explains the +2
18:33 LemonLake     yep
18:33 Jordach       PenguinDad, that's done elsewhere in other mods and has NOT caused issues
18:33 Jordach       care to explain?
18:34 LemonLake     because you're doing it the dumb way?
18:34 LemonLake     you're making it unnecessarily complicated ;)
18:34 celeron55     i don't like to make this decision, but simply none of the non-broken subgames are a good companion to minetest_next (and minetest_next appears to be impossible to not include)
18:36 celeron55     but do people have strong opinions about carbone?
18:36 LemonLake     imo its more of a big modpack than a game
18:38 Taoki         Sorry... had one more question: Is there a drawtype that lets you have 4 direction sprites similar to Infiniminer? So the sprite itself always faces the player (horizontally), but there are 4 images... for seeing the object from front, back, left side, right side
18:38 Jordach       LemonLake, now it works
18:38 LemonLake     good good
18:39 Jordach       but copying a tabe shouldn't modify the original
18:39 Jordach       that's the odd part
18:39 LemonLake     Welcome to C++
18:39 Jordach       that's not C being the issue
18:39 LemonLake     Jordach, its how things work
18:39 Jordach       don't point fingers
18:39 LemonLake     Deal with it ^.^
18:39 Jordach       which is why i haven't banned the annoying kids on the forums yet
18:40 LemonLake     Hmm?
18:40 PenguinDad    Jordach: you don't copy the table you actually only produce a reference to the original table
18:40 LemonLake     ^
18:40 Jordach       PenguinDad, fucking lua :P
18:40 Jordach       when did common sense go missing
18:40 LemonLake     <Jordach> which is why i haven't banned the annoying kids on the forums yet
18:40 LemonLake     Do explain.
18:41 Jordach       LemonLake, DS-Minetest springs right to mind
18:41 celeron55     Jordach: every dynamic scripting language works like that
18:41 LemonLake     Not following, Jordach.
18:41 Jordach       celeron55, $5 python doesn't
18:41 celeron55     it does
18:42 Jordach       = is assigning, not referring
18:42 celeron55     you assign a reference
18:42 LemonLake     Jordach: Where did you learn programming?
18:42 LemonLake     Not trying to say it in a horrible way, just curious ^.^
18:42 Jordach       LemonLake, off my own farking arse
18:42 celeron55     >>> a = [1]
18:42 celeron55     >>> b = a
18:42 celeron55     >>> b[0] = 2
18:42 celeron55     >>> a
18:42 celeron55     [2]
18:43 celeron55     have some python
18:43 LemonLake     Okay, Jordach.
18:43 LemonLake     Calm down.
18:43 Jordach       why don't things produce a fucking copy and not a reference
18:43 celeron55     copying is expensive
18:43 Jordach       three bytes is not expensive
18:44 LemonLake     +<celeron55> copying is expensive
18:44 asl           Jordach `=` is referring if the item is mutable
18:44 PenguinDad    Jordach: the pos table is bigger than 3 bytes
18:45 Calinou       <Taoki> Sorry... had one more question: Is there a drawtype that lets you have 4 direction sprites similar to Infiniminer? So the sprite itself always faces the player (horizontally), but there are 4 images... for seeing the object from front, back, left side, right side
18:45 Calinou       entity drawtype “sprite”?
18:45 Calinou       uses 6 faces
18:45 LemonLake     Jordach, you enjoying the attention? ^.^
18:45 markv         My DNS server works!!!
18:45 asl           dict, list and iirc set in python are all mutable
18:45 markv         reckon I can host example.x on example.x ?
18:48 Rhy5          Hi everyone :)
18:48 jp            Calinou : in MoreBlocks, can you add 'cracked stone bricks', please ?
18:49 Rhy5          This bad boy, jp: http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/minecraft.gamepedia.com/3/36/Cracked_Stone_Brick.png?version=30e760ac2590789bbcbbda4dd8a7c82e?
18:49 jp            Exact.
18:50 Rhy5          Hmm, definetly would be a great addition yes.
18:50 Jordach       why not mod it yourself
18:50 jp            redundant
18:50 Rhy5          For one node? Pretty useless.
18:50 celeron55     < Taoki> Sorry... had one more question <- there is some functionality like that for entities, i don't remember what exactly
18:50 Rhy5          Ah, celeron55, the creator of Minetest, hello!
18:52 Rhy5          I do actually wonder what Minetest would look like in about 20 years...
18:52 LemonLake     It would look like something in an archive.
18:53 LemonLake     Just like Minecraft.
18:53 Rhy5          Infact, like this: http://www.royalgrass.com/uploads/media/artificial-grass.jpg
18:53 Rhy5          :D
18:53 LemonLake     No.
18:53 LemonLake     http://poetrybyronnie.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/old_armenian_book_by_deviantik.jpg
18:53 LemonLake     Like that
18:53 PenguinDad    I'm not sure if minetest would survive that long
18:53 Rhy5          PenguinDad, :)
18:53 Rhy5          LemonLake, thing future, not hell.
18:54 Rhy5          *think
18:54 LemonLake     Sorry. I'm too pessimistic.
18:54 Rhy5          It's a human trait xD
18:54 LemonLake     yes....one i dislike
18:55 Rhy5          Poor you ;)
18:55 LemonLake     don't be sympathetic
18:55 LemonLake     i can't change who i am
18:56 Rhy5          This is me in two hundred years: http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/pc5/GXz/pc5GXzRcB.jpeg
18:56 Rhy5          Sorry mum ;)
18:56 LemonLake     you'll be a bone-like scroll?
18:56 Calinou       <Rhy5> I do actually wonder what Minetest would look like in about 20 years...
18:57 Calinou       probably like nothing
18:57 Calinou       <Rhy5> Ah, celeron55, the creator of Minetest, hello!
18:57 Calinou       he isn't anyone special
18:57 LemonLake     that can be taken harshly, Calinou
18:57 Rhy5          Calinou, formal greeting.
18:57 Jordach       Calinou, the Introvert!
18:58 Calinou       “author” or “developer” is preferable, that's what I meant
18:58 Calinou       anyway, he's sometimes in here, but not always because people would bug him all day ;)
18:58 Calinou       he used to not be on IRC at all
18:58 Rhy5          Calinou, you sound nothing like it says on the tin. ;P
18:59 Rhy5          Hmm, sorry if you took that the wrong way.
19:00 Rhy5          Moving on.
19:01 Rhy5          Is it possible to compile a dev in windows?
19:01 jp            celeron55 is the Linus Torvalds of Minetest ;)
19:01 LemonLake     Rhy5: Of course! It's just a lot harder
19:01 Rhy5          jp, in English please ;)
19:01 LemonLake     Rhy5: Wake up, that is English.
19:01 jp            It's english.
19:01 Rhy5          jp, Old English xD
19:02 LemonLake     Rhy5: It is English.
19:02 Rhy5          But English that I don't know about.
19:02 LemonLake     Using a name does not change the language.
19:02 Rhy5          "Linus Torvalds"
19:02 LemonLake     That'd be like saying "I like Nagisa Furuwaka" changes the sentence to Japanese.
19:02 jp            No mockery on my english, please.
19:03 Rhy5          jp, didn't mean it like that, but I didn't understand it, sorry.
19:03 LemonLake     Also, Rhy5
19:03 LemonLake     Linus Torvalds is a name.
19:03 Rhy5          I noticed.
19:03 LemonLake     The name of a Finnish software engineer.
19:03 LemonLake     He created Git.
19:03 Rhy5          Explaining... ah I see now.
19:03 LemonLake     He also created the Linux kernel.
19:03 LemonLake     Is that old English?
19:03 Rhy5          Well, now knowing what it is, nope.
19:04 LemonLake     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
19:04 Rhy5          Gee, what is it with me today? I'm being very harsh ._.
19:04 LemonLake     Nah.
19:04 BlockMen      "“I’m an egotistical bastard, and I name all my projects after myself. First ‘Linux’, now ‘Git’.”
19:04 BlockMen      – Linus Torvalds [12]"
19:04 BlockMen      lol :D
19:04 LemonLake     GENIUS
19:04 LemonLake     I LOVE THAT GUY NOW
19:04 Rhy5          Lemon, young love.
19:04 LemonLake     Young?
19:04 LemonLake     Well, it is a bit creepy.
19:04 Rhy5          Everyone is young.
19:04 LemonLake     I'm 21 and he's 44.
19:05 Rhy5          Divide the two, one year between you ;)
19:05 jp            There are a collection of epic quotes from Linux T.
19:05 PenguinDad    If you didn't know my given name is Linus
19:05 Rhy5          PenguinDad, wow.
19:05 Rhy5          Very nice.
19:06 Rhy5          I'm just Rhys.
19:06 Rhy5          Rhys Thomas Edward Morgan.
19:06 crazyR_       guys, ive got a problem, could do with some advise.   if several people have build things, they gone away then came back and its rreveted back to what it was previously, what could cause it?
19:06 crazyR_       the db is leveldb
19:06 Rhy5          crazyR_: Probaly server client or unrealised crashes.
19:06 LemonLake     ^
19:06 LemonLake     We've experienced that one many-a-time on ntdll :P
19:07 crazyR_       i though that at first, but they havent even logged of, they have come back and its goen, its happened to several people
19:07 Rhy5          Does anybody have rollback?
19:07 LemonLake     Did they time-out?
19:07 crazyR_       roleback is disabled
19:07 LemonLake     Sounds like extreme lag to me
19:07 Rhy5          Or just griefing.
19:08 Calinou       rollback*
19:09 crazyR_       we are having bad lag, but its only affecting some players, also the server is barely being touched resource wise
19:09 Rhy5          Might just be lag then.
19:10 LemonLake     You place nodes while the server is lagging
19:10 Rhy5          ^^
19:10 LemonLake     the node-count in inventory doesn't go down
19:10 Rhy5          And they just dissapear.
19:10 LemonLake     but when the server catches up, it realises these nodes never existed, so it removes tem.
19:10 Rhy5          Well said sir, gold star.
19:10 LemonLake     s/tem/them
19:11 Rhy5          Never knew that was a directory Lemon ;)
19:11 crazyR_       so what could cause bad lag without bumping up the server resources
19:11 LemonLake     nein
19:11 Rhy5          crazyR_: Like I said, server client.
19:11 Rhy5          Or just bad internet via the server or players.
19:11 LemonLake     If it's not resources, it's network traffic
19:11 crazyR_       servers on a gigabit port.
19:11 LemonLake     Or something along the lines
19:11 crazyR_       might be worth monitoring it
19:12 Rhy5          crazyR_: debug.txt. Use it :)
19:14 crazyR_       i do use it, i also log everything that the output says too.
19:17 Taoki         http://i.imgur.com/xzEQ8U9.png - http://i.imgur.com/iXJs1O4.jpg When OHRRPGCE (Vikings of Midgart) meets Minetest. For those who never heard about VoM, it's a fantastic 2D RPG (all Public Domain) which I recommend trying out. Either way, I felt like trying to its tileset textures in Minetest ;)
19:18 Taoki         **Midgard also, typo
19:19 celeron55     is that green specifically designed for destroying eyes
19:19 LemonLake     ^
19:19 asie          not ^
19:19 asie          I like the green
19:20 Taoki         Dunno. In the RPG itself it looks nice. Could say the same for here though... especially since I like my Minecraft / Minetest looking colorful and lively
19:20 Jordach       !up 81.135.107.82
19:20 MinetestBot   81.135.107.82:30000 is up (29ms)
19:20 Calinou       the blue water explodes my retina
19:20 Calinou       <crazyR_> servers on a gigabit port.
19:21 Calinou       what about your actual Internet connection speed?
19:21 Taoki         http://db.tigsource.com/screenshot/image/1236/original/vom2.gif Screenshot of original game
19:21 Calinou       use these minetest.conf settings: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7752630/
19:21 Calinou       (they're default in Carbone)
19:21 Calinou       helps with CPU, RAM and bandwidth usage
19:22 PenguinDad    10<3 the water
19:23 PenguinDad    s/10<3/05<3/
19:23 crazyR_       wtf i think calinou might have hit the nail onthe head
19:23 crazyR_       just downloaded a 1 gig file the speed was 10mb/s
19:23 Calinou       blue heart, lol
19:23 Calinou       crazyR_, Mb or MB?
19:23 LemonLake     crazyR_ that also depends on the server you dl it from
19:23 Calinou       the upload is the most important value
19:23 LemonLake     and beware of capitalization, we could be talking about megabits or megabytes
19:23 Calinou       as it's almost always smaller than download
19:24 PenguinDad    Calinou: a blue heart is valid for squids :P
19:24 crazyR_       sorry MB
19:25 LemonLake     tubaya okazaki: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/WIEO1VKKFXEZ.png
19:27 asl           Taoki, Public Domain != GPL
19:45 blaise        wow
19:45 blaise        tomorrows the big day, eh?
19:45 EvergreenTree blaise: yep
19:46 blaise        =]
19:49 EvergreenTree I don't know why people make such a big deal out of stable releases though
19:49 EvergreenTree you can get the latest vesrion on github, or use one of the windows builds
19:50 blaise        I don't condoln the use of microsoft operating systems
19:50 blaise        or any microsoft products for that matter
19:50 BlockMen      EvergreenTree, there are many that just use builds from mainpage, which are the stable ones, especially new users
19:50 BlockMen      when i came to minetest i used only the stable for a while aswell
19:50 asl           it's the 6th already for me :P
19:50 celeron55     ...and many linux users who just use the one from their distro's repository
19:51 celeron55     those are the hardest ones to get to using unstable versions actually 8)
19:52 blaise        I actually had to create an ebuild in gentoo to run minetest-0.4.9
19:52 celeron55     (and it's a good thing; they don't want to deal with any unstable issues anyway)
19:52 blaise        the maintainer is lazy
19:52 blaise        I'de rather not use non-stable code in a production environment
19:52 EvergreenTree celeron55: that is true
19:56 crazyR_       thing is, these days the dev is more stable than the stable
19:56 Calinou       <blaise> tomorrows the big day, eh?
19:56 Calinou       tomorrow's my 3rd Minetest birthday
19:57 Jordach       daww
19:57 Jordach       my 3rd is coming up on the 10th of Oct (holy shitballs|)
19:59 Calinou       the rate at which forum posting evolved is amazing
19:59 Calinou       the first day I played, I used this pack: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=134
20:00 Calinou       I'll download it in case the file disappears
20:05 PenguinDad    Calinou: that was the first texture pack I tried use :)
20:05 PenguinDad    + to
20:06 * BlockMen    used misa as first tp
20:07 * Jordach     used cisoun's pack
20:07 PenguinDad    Good ol' times
20:09 * PenguinDad  still doesn't know the difference between setpos() and moveto()
20:14 Taoki         Is there a drawtype that lets you have 4 direction sprites similar to Infiniminer? So the sprite itself always faces the player (horizontally), but there are 4 images... for seeing the object from front, back, left side, right side
20:15 Jordach       Taoki, drawtype = sprite
20:15 Taoki         Jordach: Ok. But what about the 4 direction images?
20:15 EvergreenTree there is a sprite drawtype?
20:15 Jordach       there is afaik
20:15 Taoki         How are those defined
20:15 BlockMen      PenguinDad, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1785
20:16 BlockMen      but idk if there is any way to set the speed for that
20:16 * BlockMen    guesses not
20:17 Jordach       Taoki, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1818
20:17 PenguinDad    Taoki: this might help https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1818-1821
20:17 Taoki         I see. Still doesn't detail how to set yaw-relative textures exactly
20:17 Taoki         Although it seems to say it's possible at least
20:18 Jordach       Taoki, that's what the sprite sheet does for you
20:18 Jordach       use the original dungeon master one
20:18 Taoki         Can I still find it anywhere?
20:19 Taoki         Also, can such direction-based sprites be animated? So if you have two per direction, it animates walking
20:19 PenguinDad    Taoki: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/legacy/textures/dungeon_master.png
20:19 Taoki         Aha... that makes sense yes
20:19 Calinou       they can
20:19 Calinou       it's 6 directions
20:20 Taoki         Can you exclude top and bottom if you don't have them?
20:20 Calinou       just put the same as the front sprite (don't make it invisible)
20:21 Taoki         Ok. I was hoping you could use upright_sprite, so it only faces the player horizontally... like the default player sprite before 3D models
20:21 Taoki         But with 4 directions
20:21 Taoki         Doesn't sound like it tho
20:26 Calinou       verticla constraint of sprite is only possible for particles, not entities :/
20:30 celeron55     Jordach: http://c55.me/random/2014-07/holy_shitballs.jpg
20:30 * Jordach     claps
20:30 celeron55     i had to do this
20:31 Jordach       celeron55, i'm going to have to donate eventually
20:31 celeron55     donate to see more of my intense gimp edits?
20:31 celeron55     i can respect that
20:32 Jordach       celeron55, donate to be more awesome
20:32 Jordach       (and of course the obvious amounts of beer!)
20:32 Jordach       beer + minetest-dev = new features!?!?
20:37 LemonLake     beer + minetest-dev = feature reversal
20:38 BlockMen      beer + minetest - dev = beer + frozen_minetest
20:40 PenguinDad    beer + me == me with liver diseases
20:40 LemonLake     Beer + myself = my daily life
20:41 celeron55     frozen_minetest - beer + dev = minetest-beer?!
20:43 BlockMen      yay, minetest-beer
20:43 PenguinDad    ewww minetest-beer
20:45 Jordach       01,01please don't give me rendering ideas
20:45 LemonLake     Jordach: Why not render you rendering a render?
20:46 EvergreenTree Render #minetest
20:46 Jordach       LemonLake, already done
20:46 LemonLake     Oh yeah.
20:46 LemonLake     That weird mt wallpaper.
20:46 LemonLake     You were like by a tree or somethin.
20:47 PenguinDad    "please don't give me rendering ideas for dinner" first suggestion of duckduckgo
20:47 celeron55     is there someone in here who can make better textures and possibly other media than me and who can help in figuring out some game design and who can do playtesting? i would like to form a two-man team to produce a medium-sized game for minetest with a unique focus (the other one of the two is me)
20:47 LemonLake     Well
20:48 LemonLake     I may be able to help
20:48 Jordach       celeron55, i can draw...ish
20:48 LemonLake     According to sfan5, I can really draw :P
20:48 sfan5         you can
20:48 Jordach       s/sfan5/someone on the internet/
20:48 emerge        hello everyone
20:48 celeron55     i want to make a very small team and do this in private until it is released as beta that is working
20:48 LemonLake     Jordach: <sfan5> you can
20:49 celeron55     so, i need more than "a bit of help"
20:49 Jordach       celeron55, i've already been doing that as BFD for this entire time
20:49 LemonLake     celeron55: I'm happy to help but I understand if you pick someone else ^.^
20:49 celeron55     Jordach: yes, i guess you are sticking to BFD and not interested in doing my thing as a distraction from it?
20:49 Jordach       celeron55, i haven't developed since may and got a few ideas to do then sleep for a few months
20:50 EvergreenTree Jordach found this on reddit:  http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/29vrkp/cant_run_minecraft_made_my_own/ciozegx
20:50 Jordach       i have an infinite schedule for the next 7 weeks
20:50 LemonLake     I can see Jordach doing some good work
20:50 Jordach       LemonLake, i reimplemented my tanks within 3 hours
20:50 Jordach       the original design took 5
20:50 LemonLake     What, do glasslike_framed?
20:51 Jordach       nodeboxes
20:51 LemonLake     Still not impressed, then
20:51 Jordach       i just repaired them, and made them much more usable (EvergreenTree knows about this)
20:51 celeron55     Jordach, LemonLake: has either of you made games outside of minetest?
20:51 EvergreenTree Jordach sort of has
20:51 LemonLake     celeron55: I work as an artist/composer/programmer with a small team
20:51 Jordach       celeron55, to be debated, but Lové2D has
20:51 LemonLake     But I've never made a full-on game.
20:51 EvergreenTree I might start making a game some time
20:52 EvergreenTree most likely with pygame
20:52 EvergreenTree I'm learning c atm\
20:52 Jordach       celeron55, there's enough hands in here, private git repo + adding members is problem solved
20:52 LemonLake     Most games I work on are C++ with SFML
20:52 Jordach       i am capable of 3d assets on the other hand
20:52 EvergreenTree Isn't Open Hexagon written in sfml?
20:52 EvergreenTree I assume sdl is an option as well
20:52 LemonLake     Unless you have money, I'd suggest BitBucket for private repos.
20:53 Jordach       and here's the entire set of logic to my new polished tanks http://paste.debian.net/108320/
20:54 LemonLake     that's some harsh hardcoding
20:54 LemonLake     you could easily run that in a for-loop
20:54 Jordach       LemonLake, MTG has lava and water which should drop right in
20:54 Jordach       (it even uses the same bucket names)
20:54 celeron55     Jordach: the issue isn't implementation, the issue is designing a game; i don't want to do it solo because my brain will simply drain out of juice and ideas
20:54 celeron55     Jordach: and it cannot be done by shouting on a crowded irc channel
20:54 Jordach       celeron55, alas the problem i have
20:54 LemonLake     Jordach, this is designing. Not implementing
20:55 celeron55     Jordach: so you have 7 weeks of time in your hands?
20:55 Jordach       celeron55, i do :)
20:55 EvergreenTree I have a few weeks (mostly) free
20:56 Jordach       Sept 4. is the date when i have a work placement in IT to be doing (during the day)
20:56 LemonLake     Hmm
20:56 Jordach       it earns me a level 2 BTEC
20:56 LemonLake     While I also have the same amount of time, I can work afternoons after Sept.4
20:57 LemonLake     but during the summer I won't have thursdays and one specific day per-week because I have a life
20:57 Jordach       and a level 3 next year
20:57 LemonLake     and I can't guarantee full-activity because I've had a minor heart-problem lately
20:57 Jordach       LemonLake, careful
20:57 EvergreenTree LemonLake: Yikes
20:57 LemonLake     Careful?
20:57 LemonLake     It's nothing that major
20:57 Jordach       you're reminding me of April 2013
20:57 LemonLake     What happened april 2013?
20:58 EvergreenTree What type of game are you making, and what language is it in celeron55?   I probably can't help you with it.
20:58 Jordach       [21:47:46] <celeron55> is there someone in here who can make better textures and possibly other media than me and who can help in figuring out some game design and who can do playtesting? i would like to form a two-man team to produce a medium-sized game for minetest with a unique focus (the other one of the two is me)
20:58 LemonLake     It's an MT subgame
20:58 LemonLake     So lua
20:58 Jordach       ninja'd?
20:58 LemonLake     Quite.
20:59 EvergreenTree Ah
20:59 LemonLake     But TL;DR comes into play :P
20:59 EvergreenTree I can help in that case
20:59 Jordach       (sorry about that c55)
20:59 EvergreenTree Jordach is probably better though
20:59 LemonLake     ^
20:59 EvergreenTree I'm okay at coding and better at textures
20:59 Jordach       LemonLake, it is possible to do my new logic in tanks, (and i saw it in my goddamn head)
20:59 Jordach       i actually saw the answer3
21:00 Jordach       however, i cant put it onto paper
21:00 * markv       compiles C++ CMS
21:00 LemonLake     For the nodeboxes, it'd involve 1/maxlevel*level
21:00 LemonLake     that can be simplified somehow...I forgot though
21:00 LemonLake     level/maxlevel iirc
21:01 EvergreenTree bbs
21:01 LemonLake     Okay, cya
21:01 LemonLake     Actually, me too, bb<20mins
21:02 sfan5         markv: this isn't twitter, nobody cares
21:02 markv         sfan5: stfu
21:02 Jordach       then how dafuq do i own the record of using /me
21:02 sfan5         !stfu markv
21:02 MinetestBot   markv, Someone thinks you need to shut the fuck up before you get muted.
21:03 markv         Yeah funny you're so cool, sfan5
21:03 sfan5         thanks
21:15 LemonLake     so that happened
21:18 Jordach       youtu.be/XkNdLYkwmjQ
21:18 Jordach       http://youtu.be/XkNdLYkwmjQ
21:18 Jordach       ^ sorry
21:24 LemonLake     I'm impressed. How did you do multi-texture nodeboxes?
21:24 Jordach       i didn't
21:25 Jordach       it's a 4 walled exterior with a single nodebox in the middle
21:25 LemonLake     So the surrounds are separate nodes?
21:25 sapier1       isn't this uite similar to what rba did implement?
21:26 LemonLake     This uses nodeboxes.
21:26 LemonLake     RBA used glasslike_framed.
21:26 LemonLake     I have no idea why Jordach isn't.
21:26 Jordach       because limiting me on what i can do with it sucks
21:26 LemonLake     Limiting?
21:27 Jordach       maybe i want different methods
21:27 Jordach       mine can be changed by Lua, RBA's can't
21:27 LemonLake     RBA's can?
21:27 LemonLake     param2 =
21:27 Jordach       only what the code allows
21:27 Jordach       mine can in theory be expanded
21:27 LemonLake     But if they're tanks, glasslike_framed does exactly what you want.
21:27 Jordach       not really
21:28 LemonLake     What can't it do that you want to do with nodeboxes?
21:28 Jordach       it doesn't allow storage of items, eg, buckets of liquid, and be able to retrieve them at anytime
21:28 LemonLake     Well duh, you have to code that yourself.
21:28 Jordach       LemonLake, it could be a sphere or a cylinder in shape, that's why i prefer nodeboxes
21:28 LemonLake     But you're just using tanks.
21:28 LemonLake     Cubed tanks.
21:29 Jordach       you have the flexibility to modify the shape of the box as you please, as well as the contents
21:29 LemonLake     So don't reinvent the wheel!
21:29 Jordach       LemonLake, i actually did it first
21:29 LemonLake     (facepalm)
21:29 LemonLake     I give up with you, Jordach.
21:30 Jordach       LemonLake, i have not seen code to allow retrieval of items, eg filled buckets from an empty one or fill the tank to remove the liquid from the bucket
21:30 Jordach       that's why i have issues with it, it isn't perfect
21:31 LemonLake     on_use = function(itemstack, user, pointed_thing)
21:31 LemonLake     Then you can either look at param2 to know the liquid value, or store it in a metadata.
21:31 Jordach       but then you're limited by param2
21:31 LemonLake     You're limited by 8.
21:31 LemonLake     Param2 is limited by 64.
21:31 Jordach       actually i'm not
21:31 LemonLake     Jordach, you're just being fussy.
21:32 Jordach       !c 1/512
21:32 MinetestBot   0
21:32 LemonLake     So I'll let you have your way.
21:32 Jordach       !c 1.0/512.0
21:32 MinetestBot   0.001953125
21:32 Jordach       ^ thats how big the nodebox would be under 512 resoultion
21:32 LemonLake     Still, I'm not a fan of your method.
21:32 LemonLake     It is hardcoded and uses unrequired nodes.
21:32 Jordach       LemonLake, 11ms per operation
21:34 Jordach       and i can get away with texture problems because glass refracts the contents :3
21:37 Jordach       hey Megaf
21:38 PenguinDad    shit
21:38 Jordach       ?
21:38 PenguinDad    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1445
21:38 PenguinDad    ^ Jordach
21:38 Jordach       O.O
21:40 LemonLake     Jordach, can you link me to your code please?
21:42 Jordach       https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/commit/bcc2d66d5879db874eb25427ce5086e70812d159
21:42 LemonLake     Thanks.
21:43 LemonLake     Jordach: [22:43:35] Hagrid: A very important rule in programming is to always simplify conditionals.
21:44 Jordach       bollocks statement in here
21:44 Jordach       nobody said that
21:44 LemonLake     That's skype, my friend.
21:44 LemonLake     I'm showing your code to someone who's a preeety good programmer.
21:44 * PenguinDad  slaps Jordach for no newline at end of file
21:44 Jordach       PenguinDad, notepad's problem
21:45 LemonLake     Jordach, please
21:45 LemonLake     !pil Jordach
21:45 MinetestBot   Jordach, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
21:46 LemonLake     That's all.
21:46 Jordach       LemonLake, when has my badly written, but perfectly working code gone wrong
21:46 LemonLake     It hasn't. It's just badly implemented.
21:47 Jordach       LemonLake, i re-wrote a bad sethome mod, because of /home otherplayershome broke the entire thing
21:47 Jordach       and it runs on VanessaE's production servers with 100% compat
21:49 Jordach       LemonLake, old one, https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-mods/tree/master/sethome
21:50 Jordach       here's the new one https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/tree/master/mods/jsethome
21:50 LemonLake     I don't care anymore
21:50 Jordach       not caring leads to bad code :3
21:50 LemonLake     I'm not the one badly coding.
21:55 zorak         hi
21:55 zorak         im new to minetest
21:56 zorak         there are a server for noobs??
21:56 PenguinDad    Jordach: seriously? https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/blob/master/mods/jsethome/init.lua#L30
21:56 Jordach       PenguinDad, the mod was written around Jan 2012
21:56 Jordach       it is ancient
21:58 Jordach       reload
22:00 zorak         how do i know what version of minetest i have?
22:00 Jordach       which link did you use
22:00 Jordach       0.4.10 is released tomorrow, so wait until them
22:00 Jordach       then*
22:02 zorak         damn
22:02 zorak         the version of the repos of linux mint is 0.3.1
22:02 zorak         well
22:02 zorak         im gonna try in a couple of days
22:02 Jordach       zorak, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837
22:02 zorak         cya
22:11 PenguinDad    05<3 https://soundcloud.com/monstercat/rootkit-real-love-feat-danyka
22:12 Jordach       https://soundcloud.com/audio-warfare/free-tune-easy-big-fella https://soundcloud.com/karthy/darren-styles-screwface-2?in=karthy/sets/darren-styles-screwface https://soundcloud.com/x-fir3/clowny-seizure-x-fir3-remix
22:13 celeron55     hmmmmmm... http://i.imgur.com/Kp0CFNq.png
22:13 * Jordach     raises an eyebrow
22:14 Jordach       this graph makes no sense!
22:17 celeron55     it's the bandwidth graph of minetest.net
22:18 LemonLake     sorry
22:18 LemonLake     i may or may not have been banding the widths
22:19 celeron55     practically all of those pageloads are coming from http://np.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/29vrkp/cant_run_minecraft_made_my_own/cioykjm
22:20 LemonLake     ah.
22:20 LemonLake     makes sense
22:22 celeron55     it's what happens when a link is in the top comment thread of a 400k subscriber subreddit
22:22 LemonLake     yep
22:22 celeron55     in a top-ranking post
22:23 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/JCt3Uuq.png
22:23 Jordach       we need to replace the homepage with that
22:23 LemonLake     celeron55
22:23 LemonLake     make this happen
22:23 LemonLake     put that image on the homepage.
22:24 Jordach       forum announcements (i can do that)
22:24 LemonLake     okay
22:24 LemonLake     put it there
22:24 LemonLake     tx
22:24 Jordach       1) i'm going to get shit thrown at me
22:25 EvergreenTree PenguinDad: You and I have similar tastes in music
22:25 EvergreenTree :3
22:25 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/Z6KJvf5.png
22:25 Jordach       sfan5, http://imgur.com/gallery/FTqrhbc
22:25 zorak         yep, i come from reddit
22:26 Jordach       (sorry about offending anyone)
22:26 Jordach       ((i am a moderator and should know better)
22:26 Jordach       +)
22:26 zorak         lol
22:26 zorak         im not offended
22:28 celeron55     lol, that image looks funny on the front page
22:28 celeron55     maybe this isn't very professional
22:29 LemonLake     you actually did it
22:29 LemonLake     im so happy
22:29 celeron55     oops that image is like 400KB in size
22:29 celeron55     i
22:29 celeron55     i'll take it out
22:36 PenguinDad    EvergreenTree: https://soundcloud.com/housemusic/secoya-run-codeko-remix https://soundcloud.com/rootkitmusic/savant-survive-rootkit-remix
22:37 Jordach       PenguinDad, needs more Basement Jaxx
22:37 Jordach       and Duke Dumont
22:43 Jordach       >your spotify account is being used elsewhere, so playback is paused
22:43 Jordach       yeah right, airplane mode ftwe
22:43 Jordach       -e
22:44 EvergreenTree Well, I suppose it's a good thing minetest is getting traffic
22:44 EvergreenTree or a bad thing
22:44 Jordach       there's the million dollar question
22:52 PenguinDad    I found a way to shrink players :)
23:01 emerge        share :)
23:02 PenguinDad    Honey, I Shrunk Sam: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/mhO3ZWeSpBzJ.png
23:02 duke          Can you squish them under your feet?
23:02 emerge        Can he walk in 1x1 hole?
23:03 PenguinDad    emerge: he's only shrunk while in the cart
23:04 emerge        so, can he ride in a 1x1 hole?
23:04 PenguinDad    even without being shrunk he can
23:04 emerge        ok
23:09 PenguinDad    emerge: like here https://mediacru.sh/ArOo6oWSVMsK
23:11 emerge        :)
23:31 PenguinDad    Good night everyone!
23:31 LemonLake     gnight
23:32 Jordach       https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Ew7fAFqXTAKn.png ;P
23:32 LemonLake     u wot mate
23:32 Jordach       LemonLake, giving the UIs a bit of skin
23:32 Jordach       or well, metal
23:32 LemonLake     yeah
23:32 Jordach       they look nicer to look at
23:32 Jordach       #BFD
23:33 LemonLake     a bit too hd but this is bfd we're talking about
23:33 Jordach       (hashtag)
23:33 LemonLake     file size is just like 'fuck you'
23:33 Jordach       and yet nobody realised B mean BIG
23:33 LemonLake     um
23:33 LemonLake     i knew it from the start
23:33 LemonLake     what else would it be?
23:34 Jordach       a game that isnt MTG based
23:34 LemonLake     not following
23:34 Jordach       <Jordach> a Minecraft Modpack is a bunch of mods that work with each other creating a finished and well made feel
23:34 Jordach       <Jordach> current minetest subgames do not - my own game tried making headway into that middle ground
23:34 Jordach       <Jordach> a game shouldn't need anything else installed
23:35 Jordach       *by the user
23:35 LemonLake     yes yes
23:35 LemonLake     but why does nobody thing the b means big
23:37 Jordach       https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ux1YQ1AE5jKM.png :) instant desk