IRC log for #minetest, 2014-06-11

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00:40	WindHero	there, made an official update to skylands
00:42	WindHero	Probably should have made some default support for cavorite ore before putting it up
00:42	WindHero	but I'm mostly interested in having it there for other mods to build off of
00:43	WindHero	I guess in the next update I'll do what I say I will in the post: make tool upgrades
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00:48	WindHero	hey Enke
00:48	Enke	'ey WindHero
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01:32	Drae	Hi guys
01:33	Drae	Guys?
01:34	Enke	All 108 of us. Including bots.
01:35	Drae	Anyone gonna talk to me?
01:36	Drae	Please
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01:38	Drae	Hello?
01:39	Drae	Guys it make me sad when no talk
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03:44	Megaf	!seen 0gb.us
03:44	MinetestBot	Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen 0gb.us around.
03:44	Megaf	!seen 0gbus
03:44	MinetestBot	Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen 0gbus around.
03:44	Megaf	!seen 0us.gb
03:44	MinetestBot	Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen 0us.gb around.
03:44	Megaf	!seen 0usgb
03:58	Vazon	VanessaE you around?
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04:23	VanessaE	Vazon: yeah, I'm here now
04:23	Vazon	ok
04:24	VanessaE	kaeza: if you feel like attacking that glitch, I'd be most appreciative :)
04:24	Vazon	Question: How would one go about adding a block to pipeworks, like the money mod shops???
04:24	VanessaE	purpose of same?
04:27	Vazon	well its to fill the shops, but since it has money involved i didnt know if it would change
04:28	VanessaE	that would be difficult for me
04:28	VanessaE	I'm not good with pipeworks' API
04:28	VanessaE	nore is though
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04:29	Vazon	mhmmm kk
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04:52	Megaf	Vazon; https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests
04:52	Megaf	want to help?
04:52	Megaf	Improving it
04:52	Vazon	sure
04:53	Megaf	Vazon; I just added you as colaborator
04:54	Vazon	ok, Megaf pm
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05:11	Megaf	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjHNPzv9sGY
05:11	Megaf	ops
05:11	Megaf	wrong window
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07:01	PenguinDad	Hello everypony!
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07:14	jin_xi	ZOMG!!!11! PONYZ!!! KIttehz!
07:15	PenguinDad	,11Y ,02U ,06S,02O ,04L,13O,10U,02D,09?
07:16	jin_xi	WUT?
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07:33	* VanessaE	is suddenly reminded if a long lost slashdot april fools' joke theme
07:34	VanessaE	jin_xi:  http://www.desiringmachine.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/pink_slashdot.jpg
07:36	jin_xi	wow slashdot. havent looked at it for a while... now i go back to fark.com
07:37	VanessaE	you're not missing much :P
07:37	VanessaE	all the good stuff is on soylentnews.org now, but they don't have nearly the level of traffic and posts
07:43	jin_xi	how's your cat VanessaE ?
07:43	VanessaE	they're both fine
07:44	jin_xi	yay
07:45	PenguinDad	lol https://i.imgur.com/KIWLhqF.jpg
07:47	VanessaE	oooookay
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10:19	w_laenger	hi
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10:36	Drae	Hi guys
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10:38	w_laenger	hi
10:39	Drae	How u doing
10:44	Drae	Fine if no one is going to talk to me I'll leave.
10:44	w_laenger	/set sound_command play
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10:46	Drae	Hi vazon
10:47	Vazon	Hi Drae
10:51	Drae	Vazon how I doing?
10:52	Drae	Oops
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11:14	w_laenger	IceCream, I want to eat IceCream
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11:46	Drae	Hi
11:46	Amaz	Hm?
11:46	Drae	How r u spin
11:47	Drae	*doin
11:48	w_laenger	hi
11:49	Drae	Hi
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11:49	PenguinDad	Drae: I'm not spinning right now :P
11:49	Drae	XD
11:52	* Amaz	is trying to compile gsmappers for windows...
11:53	* Drae	is just bored.
11:55	w_laenger	there's a mod which changes all the inventory images of nodes with a specific drawtype to simple inventory images.
11:55	* PenguinDad	just compiled LuaJIT
12:00	* Drae	is confused by all the computer talk. :p
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12:02	Drae	Afk guys
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12:12	Megaf	Hi all
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12:14	w_laenger	hi
12:16	Megaf	People, I need more contributors here please. https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests
12:17	w_laenger	take the connected_chests code, it's WTFPL
12:18	Megaf	w_laenger; different mods with different objectives
12:19	Megaf	I can add connected_chests to more_chests actually
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12:19	w_laenger	if you want
12:20	Megaf	well, I still need help to fix a bug. https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/issues/1
12:21	w_laenger	https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/blob/master/shared.lua#L98
12:22	w_laenger	mach if not fields then return end
12:22	w_laenger	sry
12:22	w_laenger	write*
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12:24	Megaf	w_laenger; you mean, creating a new line and adding "if not fields then return end"?
12:25	w_laenger	yes
12:25	w_laenger	this could work
12:27	RealBadAngel	hmmm, where's the function "shared" defined?
12:28	Megaf	ServerError: /home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../mods/more_chests/shared.lua:98: attempt to call global 'shared' (a nil value)
12:28	Megaf	/home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../mods/more_chests/shared.lua:98: in function </home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../mods/more_chests/shared.lua:94>
12:28	Megaf	RealBadAngel; no idea
12:28	Megaf	I caused it to crash now leaving the input box empty and clicking submit
12:28	RealBadAngel	meta:set_string("formspec", formspec(fields.shared))
12:28	RealBadAngel	line looked like that before
12:29	RealBadAngel	formspec is a function defined at line #14
12:29	RealBadAngel	you have changed it to another function called "shared"
12:29	Megaf	RealBadAngel; we changed the bit already trying to fix it https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/commits/master/shared.lua
12:30	Megaf	ok
12:30	RealBadAngel	so, show me the function called "shared" then
12:30	RealBadAngel	you are trying to use
12:31	* Megaf	looks at Vazon
12:31	Megaf	how do I revert the file to a previous state?
12:31	RealBadAngel	either write that function or change it back to call "formspec" function defined at line #14 again
12:34	Megaf	https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/blob/master/shared.lua#L98
12:34	Megaf	I will try again
12:35	Megaf	RealBadAngel; there's no "shared" you are right
12:36	Megaf	ServerError: /home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../mods/more_chests/shared.lua:98: attempt to call local 'formspec' (a string value)
12:36	Megaf	/home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../mods/more_chests/shared.lua:98: in function </home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../mods/more_chests/shared.lua:94>
12:36	Megaf	^ RealBadAngel
12:36	w_laenger	you could rename the function formspec
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12:38	Megaf	I could add you as contributor
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12:39	ecutruin	'elo.
12:39	Megaf	Hi ecutruin
12:39	PenguinDad	Megaf: you could rename the argument of the on_recieve_fields function
12:40	Megaf	rename to what? Why?
12:40	RealBadAngel	its misleading only
12:41	RealBadAngel	you have to check "if fields.shared then"
12:41	w_laenger	because formspec is already used and without renaming it would be redefined as sth different
12:41	RealBadAngel	then perform those actions
12:41	ecutruin	Hey RealBadAngel, I'm curiosus, one thing I didn't get an answer to yesterday was...connected textures on nonglass blocks.  Is that something that's possible?
12:43	ecutruin	Without using a ton of individual nodes, at least. XD
12:43	RealBadAngel	there was such a mod already i think
12:43	ecutruin	I managed to find one for glass.. but supposedly that just uses the glass code.
12:44	RealBadAngel	Megaf, i fixed that for ya
12:44	w_laenger	ecutruin, you could use param1 and param2
12:44	* ecutruin	hrms
12:44	ecutruin	w_laenger, param1 and 2 on what?  I know nothing of minetest beyond my initial research. xD
12:45	w_laenger	the rotation
12:45	RealBadAngel	first, such node should be changed to use facedir
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12:45	RealBadAngel	so it could be rotated in the first place
12:46	Megaf	RealBadAngel; wow, it's fixed indeed, thans a million :)
12:46	ecutruin	But, I mean.. to get every possible permutation, I'd need a TON of nodes per material type I wanted to be connectable, because you cannot dynamically manipulate a texture at runtime, no?
12:47	Megaf	s/thans/Thanks
12:47	RealBadAngel	ecutruin, yes. by now theres no other way
12:48	ecutruin	Is there a effective limit on the number of nodes you can have?
12:48	w_laenger	http://i.imgur.com/SS5L9nE.png
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12:50	w_laenger	https://github.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous/blob/master/txt/luas/net_noise.lua
12:50	RealBadAngel	https://github.com/Novatux/minetest/tree/meta_set_nodedef_4
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12:50	RealBadAngel	ecutruin, ^^ heres a branch with code that allows to store nodedef in node's meta
12:51	ecutruin	I've been out of touch with programming for a long time.. how does that help? ^-^;
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12:54	ecutruin	I do really appreciate ya all helping to answer my questions. :3
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13:03	Megaf	RealBadAngel;
13:03	Megaf	10:03:17: ERROR[main]: [C]: in function 'add_node'
13:03	Megaf	10:03:17: ERROR[main]: /home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../builtin/game/item.lua:276: in function </home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../builtin/game/item.lua:191>
13:04	Megaf	This when I was placing the chests
13:04	Megaf	weird
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13:04	Megaf	RealBadAngel; Yep, that happens when I place the Shared chest
13:07	RealBadAngel	meta:set_string("formspec", formspec(""))
13:08	RealBadAngel	change the line to meta:set_string("formspec", get_formspec(""))
13:08	ecutruin	Oh.. and here's what I mean by connected textures btw.. http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/4826/pch5.png
13:08	ecutruin	And I did find https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6735 for minetest, but it seems to be only for glass.
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13:13	RealBadAngel	because it is using drawtype glasslike_framed
13:13	RealBadAngel	and it is only for glass
13:14	RealBadAngel	i wonder why author called the mod connected textures in the first place
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13:14	RealBadAngel	it has nothing to do with that
13:16	* ecutruin	snickers.
13:17	ecutruin	RealBadAngel, is there a way to get the same effect with non-glass?.. or is there any actual reason its glass only in the first place?
13:17	Megaf	RealBadAngel; 0gb.us who made that mod
13:17	Megaf	ah
13:17	Megaf	never mind
13:17	Megaf	by the, I just created the texture to the cobble chest https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/commit/df3dbc92d8eb42b5db60d3b5bdbf521f4f0bab05?diff-0=0-100
13:20	Megaf	RealBadAngel; the changed worked
13:20	Megaf	Thanks again
13:20	RealBadAngel	np
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13:26	ecutruin	Oh hey, its asie. ^-^
13:27	asie	hi
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13:31	Megaf	Hi asie
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13:42	asie	i'm bored
13:45	Jordach	hello
13:45	Jordach	asie, the guy who made enderstorage appeared here yesterday
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13:47	asie	chickenbones?
13:47	asie	oh god
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14:01	Eater4	XD
14:01	ecutruin	Jordach, that would be me..
14:01	ecutruin	CB is indeed the developer though. ^-^
14:01	Eater4	Hey asie
14:02	Jordach	ecutruin, i can't remember everything :P
14:02	ecutruin	I am essentially it's "creator" though. :3
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14:11	ecutruin	I am still kinda looking into what I want to do with Minetest right now. ^-^  Thanks again for answering my questions yesterday, Jordach.
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14:14	Jordach	that choice is yours :3
14:16	w_laenger	sell it to minecraft
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14:18	asie	ecutruin: why did you follow me into here, though?
14:18	w_laenger	or sell it as minecraft
14:19	ecutruin	asie, I didn't. xD
14:19	ecutruin	Just happens that I was shown Minetest again a few days ago.
14:19	ecutruin	I've been seeing if it would be a good alternative to MC for me to design content for.
14:20	asie	ecutruin: It is in desperate need of good texture artists, indeed
14:20	ecutruin	Yeah.. I noticed..
14:20	ecutruin	I've also noticed quite a few of the mods are just duplicates of MC mods.
14:21	asie	Of course
14:21	asie	Mesegates is a duplicate of RP2 gates, in a way
14:21	sfan5	meow
14:21	sfan5	hi everyone
14:21	sfan5	hi asie
14:21	w_laenger	mc mods are free in comparison to mc itself
14:22	w_laenger	hi
14:22	asie	w_laenger: not all mc mods are free software
14:22	asie	some are free software, a few more are open source, but the big ones are closed in all aspects
14:22	asie	to anyone but Mojang, as per the EULA
14:22	sfan5	<asie> to anyone but Mojang, as per the EULA
14:22	sfan5	uhh.. no
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14:22	asie	sfan5: yes that's exactly what the EULA says
14:22	sfan5	link?
14:22	asie	modders can put any terms on their mods, as long as they are freely downloadable
14:23	asie	"If you make any content available on or through our Game, you must give us permission to use, copy, modify and adapt that content. This permission must be irrevocable, and you must also let us permit other people to use, copy, modify and adapt your content. If you don‘t want to give us this permission, do not make content available on or through our Game. Please think carefully before you make any content available, because it will be ma
14:23	asie	de public and might even be used by other people in a way you don‘t like."
14:23	asie	https://account.mojang.com/documents/minecraft_eula
14:23	asie	historically, this was added for Minecraft Realms
14:23	asie	but in practice it can apply for just about anything
14:24	Megaf	my best mod yet. https://github.com/Megaf/green_screen
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14:24	Megaf	I know there's a mod like that already, but it does not works like I want
14:25	ecutruin	asie, that was specifically denied by Mojang awhile back.  It doesn't apply to the actual code of mods.  It is more along the lines of Maps built or youtube videos.
14:25	NakedFury	Mojang is also going to start watching for servers that hide features or gameplay behind a pay wall
14:25	ecutruin	Basically, they need the right to promote their game.
14:25	asie	ecutruin: Law is law, though, and the EULA makes no exception for tha
14:25	ecutruin	It would NEVER hold up.
14:25	sfan5	^
14:25	realtinymonster	wut?
14:25	* realtinymonster	is puzzled
14:25	sfan5	https://mediacru.sh/0ugQ59NgE-1C
14:25	sfan5	lol
14:26	realtinymonster	haha
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14:28	w_laenger	i=1; while true; do; sudo kill $i; i=(($i+1));done
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14:28	Enke	sfan5: Very true.
14:29	Jordach	pssh
14:29	Jordach	i don't even bother with a crashy browser
14:29	Enke	"Stop asking me if I want to close the frozen window! If I hit the button, I want it closed! And I don't want Microsoft to have an error report! Just close the window!"
14:29	sfan5	w_laenger: can you stop doing that?
14:29	w_laenger	take care that Krock doesn't click on this link
14:29	w_laenger	sorry
14:29	ecutruin	But I will say, Mojang's issues against modders in the past and this new thing against servers.. has bothered me quite a bit.
14:30	LemonLake	Who thinks it'll be possible to make something like an Ableton Launch-pad out of a MaKey-MaKey?
14:30	ecutruin	One of the reasons I'm looking at alternatives, a minor reason, but one non the less.
14:30	Jordach	Tesseract, ShadowBot isn't here
14:31	w_laenger	my testworld: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eATmlH_iYOCj
14:32	* Jordach	tries to understand what's going on
14:32	Eater4	Um
14:32	Megaf	https://github.com/Megaf/green_screen/tree/master/screenshots
14:32	Eater4	He is being worked on I hear
14:33	Eater4	We have no services at inchra though :(
14:35	CraigyDavi	Megaf, would it be possible to use your more_chests mod in replacement for chests_0gb_us mod? If I create aliases will all the stuff from the old chests still be there?
14:36	ecutruin	Jordach, whats going on where? :P
14:36	Jordach	[15:31:50] <w_laenger> my testworld: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eATmlH_iYOCj
14:36	Jordach	^ that
14:36	Jordach	i'm going to play some TF2
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14:40	nman3600	hi
14:40	w_laenger	hi
14:41	w_laenger	shall I make a biome out of this? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/7A6TAZZs5Wc2.png https://cdn.mediacru.sh/nsygCekwIk0z.png
14:42	nman3600	Yes maybe call it deadwood
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14:42	ecutruin	That could make a neat desert area.
14:42	Enke	w_laenger: I like it!
14:42	nman3600	w_laenger have you seen my multitest mod?
14:42	ecutruin	The function anyways.. it'd definitely need different textures. ^-^
14:42	w_laenger	Enke, thanks; nman3600 no
14:43	nman3600	w_laenger check it out: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9334   i could do with some suggestions
14:44	w_laenger	I like the carpet
14:44	nman3600	w_laenger thanks!
14:44	Enke	w_laenger: you would have some rare stuff spawn there, like mese ore or something
14:45	w_laenger	ok, I thought I could use it as basalt biome
14:47	Enke	Yeah, that sounds neat as well. I've a basalt texture. Do you want to see it?
14:48	w_laenger	yes
14:48	Enke	https://github.com/NANOsoldierEnke/Ores/blob/master/textures/ores_basaltore.png
14:48	Enke	It's not very good though. But it's a start
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14:50	w_laenger	I already made my own brown basalt block but I don't know if I drew it right
14:51	w_laenger	nman3600 please add sounds to your mod
14:51	nman3600	w_laenger it's in the new update or planned for the next one i think
14:51	nman3600	i need to get some shears snipping sounds
14:51	w_laenger	look at opengameart
14:52	nman3600	Okay
14:53	w_laenger	http://opengameart.org/art-search-advanced?keys=knife&amp;field_art_type_tid[]=13&field_art_tags_tid_op=and&field_art_tags_tid=&name=&sort_by=created&sort_order=DESC&items_per_page=24&Collection=
14:54	w_laenger	or at http://freesound.org/
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14:58	Calinou	<w_laenger> look at opengameart
14:58	* Calinou	plans to upload textures there soon
14:58	Calinou	2048 × 2048 :p
14:58	w_laenger	nice
14:59	Calinou	is it useful to upload the 16 × 16 textures I made for Carbone there?
14:59	* nman3600	can't find a good shears sound on opengameart
15:00	Calinou	nman3600, the snow stepping sounds can help
15:00	Calinou	they're in the default Minetest game
15:00	nman3600	for shears
15:00	Calinou	I would suggest playing a snow stepping sound, loudly
15:00	Calinou	it sounds similar
15:01	nman3600	how's this for shears? http://freesound.org/people/lmbubec/sounds/118792/
15:02	w_laenger	yes but not for cutting leaves
15:02	nman3600	shears are also for wool
15:03	w_laenger	ok
15:03	w_laenger	you could use minetest.sound_play at after_dig_node
15:03	nman3600	all i'm finding is a slice that is 3 chops of shears i only want 1 chop
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15:05	nman3600	Maybe this? http://freesound.org/people/SoundCollectah/sounds/158469/
15:05	w_laenger	what about using this file? http://freesound.org/people/gpenn76/sounds/235673/
15:05	nman3600	if you could shorten it down to one snip it'll be perfect
15:05	w_laenger	nman3600, I can
15:06	nman3600	w_laenger please! i'll give you credits
15:06	w_laenger	I can also crop more sounds out of it
15:06	w_laenger	ok
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15:06	w_laenger	this one? http://freesound.org/people/SoundCollectah/sounds/158469/
15:07	nman3600	It has like an echo that's annoying
15:07	w_laenger	so this one  http://freesound.org/people/gpenn76/sounds/235673/
15:07	nman3600	That's cropped to only a single snip
15:09	nman3600	w_laenger query me with a download link when done
15:09	w_laenger	ok
15:09	w_laenger	the sound file is very short so you may not be able to hear it with totem
15:10	w_laenger	shall I use mono or keep it stereo?
15:11	w_laenger	nman3600, shall I use mono or keep it stereo?
15:11	nman3600	w_laenger i'll leave that up to you
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15:12	w_laenger	ok, minetest.sound_play works positionally if it's mono
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15:13	w_laenger	but for this sound I use stereo else something would be missing
15:13	LemonLake	w_laenger, it's mono and mono only
15:13	w_laenger	it's stereo, I downloaded it
15:14	Calinou	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/AcmguDaYE_c4.jpg and https://cdn.mediacru.sh/07LHaTecqZEY.jpg
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15:15	w_laenger	I need to check the sound quality
15:16	w_laenger	should be good enough
15:16	Calinou	game sounds should usually be mono
15:16	Calinou	non-positional sounds can be stereo
15:16	Calinou	but positional ones must be mono
15:17	w_laenger	Calinou, I know nman3600 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous/master/nichtdefinierbar/scissor.ogg
15:17	w_laenger	shall every player or only you be able to hear the sound?
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15:19	nman3600	w_laenger only you
15:20	w_laenger	ok, then stereo is more useful in this case
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15:21	LemonLake	w_laenger, there is no real need for stereo anyway
15:21	w_laenger	there is
15:21	LemonLake	all it really does it make the project more bigger. if the sound file has a really noticable difference in stereo, then it's needed
15:21	* realtinymonster	saw an ad for a waterproof Sony device... makes no sense, seeing that Sony and waterproof don't go together...
15:21	w_laenger	there is a difference
15:21	w_laenger	the end part would be quiet with mono
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15:22	realtinymonster	w_laenger: then monoize the music file
15:22	w_laenger	music?
15:22	realtinymonster	sou nd
15:22	realtinymonster	what ever it is
15:23	Evolykane	No Stero? WTF
15:23	w_laenger	...why?
15:23	Evolykane	*Stereo
15:23	realtinymonster	because that way the sound will not be quiet...
15:23	w_laenger	realtinymonster, it shouldn't be quiet
15:24	realtinymonster	yeah
15:24	realtinymonster	if you monoize it, it will merge the stereo two sides into mono one side with all the sound
15:24	w_laenger	realtinymonster, so I'll keep it stereo
15:25	w_laenger	I need a link
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15:26	realtinymonster	w_laenger: audacity.sourceforge.net
15:26	LemonLake	w_laenger amp the last part then
15:26	LemonLake	+1 realtinymonster for audacity
15:26	realtinymonster	yeah
15:26	LemonLake	but don't try audacity on linux, it does not work at all
15:26	w_laenger	I use audacity
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15:26	* Piggybear87	Jams to some R&B and builds a tower. His life "rules"...
15:26	LemonLake	w_laenger: amplify the part that goes quiet
15:26	realtinymonster	Piggybear87: that sounds amazing
15:27	w_laenger	LemonLake, that was a joke, wasn't it?
15:27	Piggybear87	Lmfao.
15:27	LemonLake	w_laenger: nein, i do not joke when pissed off
15:27	w_laenger	for me it works great on linux
15:27	Megaf	CraigyDavi; Yep, they are compatible, just need to create the aliases
15:27	LemonLake	for me it crashes about 10 minutes from startup when using some certain slidesr
15:27	LemonLake	also, does anyone know a linux msrdp client?
15:28	CraigyDavi	Megaf, Thats great! I'll install on my server now
15:28	realtinymonster	LemonLake: I know an ARM one :P
15:28	realtinymonster	are you arm?
15:28	LemonLake	realtinymonster: i believe so
15:29	Megaf	CraigyDavi; cool, I have them on my server too
15:29	realtinymonster	also, LemonLake, alternative that works better I think: distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Thin+Client
15:30	w_laenger	nman3600, currently I'm cropping single sound files
15:30	nman3600	w_laenger take as long as you need
15:30	w_laenger	ok
15:30	Evolykane	what's the mod with the health bar over the player?
15:30	LemonLake	realtinymonster: my school runs a 2012 windows server, and I need to access it
15:31	realtinymonster	Thin Client should do the trick
15:31	LemonLake	what application for linux would be best to do that with, i know windows has a client built in
15:31	LemonLake	aight thanks
15:31	realtinymonster	it has RDP stuff built in
15:31	LemonLake	2xthinclientos?
15:31	realtinymonster	aye
15:31	LemonLake	i have to buy it tho
15:32	realtinymonster	LemonLake: or try thinstation?
15:32	realtinymonster	IDK
15:33	LemonLake	its a boot thing
15:33	realtinymonster	yeah
15:33	realtinymonster	;/
15:33	realtinymonster	go get a disk :P
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15:33	LemonLake	nonono
15:33	LemonLake	you don't understand
15:33	LemonLake	i need a client FOR linux...
15:34	LemonLake	just like the built-in windows one
15:34	Jordach	LemonLake, the one that's in Ubuntu supports RDP
15:34	LemonLake	where it runs in it's own window
15:34	Megaf	CraigyDavi; I'm creating the aliases right now
15:34	LemonLake	Jordach: and that would be?
15:34	Jordach	http://www.rdesktop.org/
15:34	realtinymonster	brb
15:34	Jordach	^ try that
15:34	LemonLake	thanks Jordach
15:34	nman3600	Evolykane it's in carbone
15:34	Jordach	http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/7-of-the-best-linux-remote-desktop-clients-716346
15:35	Megaf	well, I ran out of time, gtg, cya
15:36	LemonLake	this linux is filled with libraries >.<
15:38	Calinou	<w_laenger> ok, then stereo is more useful in this case
15:38	Calinou	the sound should play to all players _nearby_
15:38	Calinou	like a bow sound or a punching sound would be (sadly, digging sounds don't play to all players currently)
15:39	Calinou	so… mono
15:39	Calinou	mono is also a smaller file size
15:39	LemonLake	Jordach: can I direct an rdp to it?
15:39	w_laenger	stereo can be converted to mono but not mono to stereo
15:40	LemonLake	w_laenger: mono can be converted to stereo but it will sound exactly the same, it's just duplicating the sound channel and halving the volume of both
15:41	w_laenger	LemonLake, I know, so at first I'll use stereo
15:41	LemonLake	w_laenger: what's wrong with mono? just amplify the end, you're wasting file space
15:42	Calinou	file space is important in Minetest: most servers don't use remote media
15:42	LemonLake	^
15:42	Calinou	to speed up join times, have small files, compress 'em
15:42	w_laenger	pfft
15:42	Calinou	OptiPNG is your friend for textures
15:42	w_laenger	this small sound...
15:43	sfan5	LemonLake: halving the volume of both would make it quieter
15:44	LemonLake	sfan5: actually, taking into consideration how modern headphones now work, yes correct.
15:44	LemonLake	w_laenger: what is the size of the stereo file, and what is the size of the mono file?
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15:45	w_laenger	LemonLake, let me compare
15:45	LemonLake	now i cant sleep without drawing a comic of build environments going insane...
15:45	LemonLake	just because of "checking whether build environment is sane... yes
15:45	LemonLake	"
15:45	w_laenger	6.1 and 4.9 KB
15:46	LemonLake	believe it or not, that's actually a big difference
15:46	w_laenger	additionally to the 52 KB of the other scissor sounds
15:46	LemonLake	scissor sounds???
15:46	LemonLake	mono, definitely.
15:46	LemonLake	if that's all it is
15:46	w_laenger	nman3600, https://github.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous/tree/master/nichtdefinierbar/aggressive_scissors
15:47	LemonLake	for something that small, you're not gonna want to waste a kb on making it stereo
15:47	LemonLake	half the people aren't even gonna notice the sound
15:48	w_laenger	the ambience mod uses more than 10000 KB
15:48	w_laenger	so...
15:48	LemonLake	yes, but nobody uses the ambience mod
15:48	LemonLake	or so i heard on irc
15:48	LemonLake	correct me if i'm wrong
15:48	w_laenger	I do
15:48	LemonLake	w_laenger: a scissor sound is literally less than a second
15:49	LemonLake	you're wasting an extra kb making it stereo, and considering you have multiple that's just overkill
15:49	w_laenger	and the default sounds weight 310 KB
15:49	LemonLake	yes but users already have default sounds and do not need to download them from the server
15:49	w_laenger	yes...
15:49	LemonLake	not everyone has mbps internet, because a lot of people live in family houses
15:50	LemonLake	they don't wanna be sitting there waiting for scissor sounds to download
15:50	w_laenger	how can they play at VaE's server?
15:50	Calinou	<LemonLake> yes, but nobody uses the ambience mod
15:50	Calinou	some servers do; the sounds are ultra-annoying
15:50	LemonLake	so maybe stick to two or three, and keep them low
15:50	LemonLake	+Calinou
15:50	Calinou	immersive ambience is annoying, the end
15:50	Calinou	if you have such a mod, provide a way for clients to disable the sounds
15:51	LemonLake	10mb for ambience sounds?
15:51	Calinou	LemonLake, I'm sitting there waiting for 36 MB of textures to upload :(
15:51	LemonLake	whoa, what is this, a STEAM game?
15:51	w_laenger	as kaeza wrote, you can use your own scissors sound file that this one doesn't need to become downloaded
15:51	LemonLake	i seriously think you should just stick to two or three scissor sounds, try to keep them at less than 5kb
15:51	LemonLake	and mono
15:51	Piggybear87	What's the smallest size a server's HDD should be?
15:51	LemonLake	nobody is really gonna notice the difference of one tiny bit, and if it goes quiet just amplify it. simple as
15:52	LemonLake	Piggybear87: depends on the os. the average os uses about 10-16gb of space just for itself
15:52	Calinou	LemonLake, a Steam game would be 10 GB of hats
15:52	w_laenger	I notice the difference and wouldn't use this scissors
15:52	LemonLake	Calinou: but hats are important, scissor sounds are not
15:52	LemonLake	w_laenger: for the last time just amplify it
15:52	Calinou	LemonLake, most GNU/Linux distributions require about 10 GB to work well, only, compared to Windows' 15-25
15:52	Piggybear87	For Lubuntu. If I can't use a 20Gb then I have to take the slave out of this one.
15:52	LemonLake	Calinou: Hence 'average'
15:52	w_laenger	LemonLake, and for the first time? both work together
15:52	Calinou	Piggybear87, a Minetest installation with binaries and source is 50 MB to 100 MB; a world will easily go above 1 GB for a server one
15:53	Calinou	(tip: use a mod to limit world depth or size, if you want a smaller world size)
15:53	* Jordach	has the winning amout of space
15:53	LemonLake	okay, after trying 8 different rdp clients i cannot get a single one to work
15:53	realtinymonster	Calinou: I had linux install on about 300mb
15:53	Jordach	20mb for Jukebox
15:53	Jordach	except - every song is 56kbps
15:53	Jordach	and mono
15:53	LemonLake	so i guess i have to switch to windows to do this one little thing
15:53	LemonLake	kbps? you stream them?
15:53	Piggybear87	So, 10-15Gb for the OS, and that would leave 5-10 for a server. Is that enough?
15:53	Calinou	realtinymonster, I'm talking about full distributions here, like Fedora
15:54	realtinymonster	LemonLake: why not switch to doors?
15:54	realtinymonster	lol
15:54	Calinou	Piggybear87, yeah
15:54	realtinymonster	realtinymonster: me too
15:54	Calinou	and 1 GB of swap
15:54	LemonLake	Piggybear87: i suppose the minimum would be 32gb, however i've heard of people using raspberry pi's which mostly come with an 8gb sd
15:54	w_laenger	LemonLake, of course you are allowed to make a pull request there to change the sound https://github.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous/blob/master/nichtdefinierbar/scissor.ogg
15:54	Calinou	LemonLake, why 32 GB? if the OS is 10 GB (at worst) and the world 5 GB (at worst)?
15:55	LemonLake	Calinou: i did mention raspberry pis which can bring the minimum down to 8gb
15:55	Piggybear87	Sweet, I don't have to rip the slave out of this machine. :)
15:55	realtinymonster	I had a 4GB hdd and I managed to fit full ubuntu with minetest and still have about 1gb left
15:55	w_laenger	I'll remove Getting started
15:57	nman3600	ugh why is it always me that can't get downloaded maps to work
15:58	LemonLake	nman3600: tried doing it properly?
15:58	nman3600	wait nevermind
15:58	LemonLake	yeah you better
15:59	nman3600	is there  a way to move the map into minetest_next
15:59	LemonLake	you make me mind and i will end you
15:59	LemonLake	nman3600: that could cause conflicts
16:00	w_laenger	LemonLake, you can compare the stereo and mono file by yourself: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous/master/nichtdefinierbar/scissor.ogg https://raw.githubusercontent.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous/master/nichtdefinierbar/scissor_mono.ogg
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16:01	MechMechanic	hello
16:02	realtinymonster	hi
16:02	nman3600	Hello MechMechanic
16:03	MechMechanic	I have not checked out this project in a longgg time. how is it going?
16:03	Calinou	MechMechanic, fine
16:03	Calinou	when did you last check it?
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16:05	Eater4	!up minetest.crabdance.com
16:05	MinetestBot	minetest.crabdance.com:30000 is up (626ms)
16:05	LemonLake	crabdance nts nts nts nts
16:05	MechMechanic	its been at least a year it seems
16:06	Eater4	lol
16:06	Calinou	MechMechanic, well: see the changelog: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
16:06	Exio4	i'd like to know why only 1 gb of swap
16:06	Calinou	Exio4, no need for more in 2014
16:06	MechMechanic	thank you, Calinou
16:06	Exio4	i have 16gb of swap, the few times i ACTUALLY used swap, it saved me
16:06	Calinou	you probably don't want to get slowed down to a crawl too much
16:07	Calinou	better crash than spend 30 minutes in slowness hell
16:07	Exio4	"crash"
16:07	Calinou	MechMechanic, many new subgames have been developed since you were away, like Carbone: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=9033
16:07	Exio4	i started "too many VMs"
16:07	Calinou	(minetest_game is frozen now: no changes are made to it, except bug fixes)
16:07	Exio4	not too many, but i had 3 VMs and then started firefox browsing
16:07	Exio4	ended using more than 12gb
16:07	Exio4	what would have crashed there?
16:08	Exio4	the system isn't dumb, if you think it is, tell me why
16:08	Exio4	because it uses the swap for apps that aren't used?
16:08	Exio4	and lets you actually have WAY more cache than you'd think you could have?
16:09	Exio4	i'm using 0MB of swap, normally, sometimes it is a few GBs, and you know, i don't notice slowness; because it sent to swap shit i don't use and has been running for a few days in background
16:10	Exio4	and those few GBs in ram that are now "free", are used for cache
16:10	Exio4	and the actual workload is faster :)
16:12	* Jordach	doesn't do swapfiles on Linux
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16:15	Megaf_	CraigyDavi: mese_chests should be 100% compatible with 9gb_us's chests now.
16:16	Megaf_	Can anyone please test? https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/blob/master/aliases.lua
16:16	CraigyDavi	Thanks, that's great :)
16:17	sfan5	I don't have swap because linux even fills it up when there is plenty RAM available.
16:17	Megaf_	sfan5: That's the idea
16:18	Megaf_	the swap on Linux is much different than the pagefile on windows
16:18	Calinou	Carbone: Added hay blocks, crafted with 9 wheat.
16:18	Megaf_	the Linux Kernel will alway try to put old caches on SWAP
16:18	Megaf_	and it will always cache and buffer as much as it can
16:18	sfan5	I'm sure you can disable that
16:18	sfan5	but whatever
16:18	sfan5	I have 8GB
16:18	sfan5	that is enough
16:19	Megaf_	So the more swap you have, the more cache and buffer the kernel will be able to do
16:19	PilzAdam	sfan5, you can change the swappiness
16:19	LemonLake	gb
16:20	Megaf_	and by the way, you can change how often the Kernel will use the swap
16:20	Megaf_	as PilzAdam just said
16:20	PilzAdam	sfan5, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Swap#Swapnutzung-einstellen
16:20	Megaf_	you can have a swap, and configure it to never use it, unless you run out of memory
16:20	LemonLake	swappiness
16:20	LemonLake	i love it
16:21	Megaf_	I have a computer at home with 16 GB of swap
16:21	Megaf_	this allows my system to alway have plenty of memory available
16:21	realtinymonster	Megaf_: I usually only do 1 GB
16:22	realtinymonster	or maybe 2 gb if i'm feeling like being giving
16:22	* realtinymonster	has a quite small HDD
16:22	Calinou	a computer doesn't have feelings, it doesn't care if you feed it more swap
16:23	realtinymonster	Calinou: lol, I know this, all programmers do ("Work computer!")
16:23	Megaf_	just never use flash memory for swap
16:25	realtinymonster	damn, my mouse is dieing
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16:28	realtinymonster	There's a message in the grass! https://mediacru.sh/v3wLnr1-txhw
16:28	sfan5	<Megaf_> just never use flash memory for swap
16:28	sfan5	this is the worst thing you can do
16:33	Exio4	Jordach: 16gb swap partition here
16:33	Exio4	[13:17:26] <sfan5> I don't have swap because linux even fills it up when there is plenty RAM available.
16:33	Exio4	tweak swapiness, i prefer having old shit to go there
16:33	sfan5	Exio4: don't bother saying anything, I've already been enlighted
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16:34	Exio4	-/+ buffers/cache:       3637       8351
16:34	Exio4	Swap:        16383          0      16383
16:34	Megaf_	well done Exio4
16:34	Exio4	12gb of ram, 16gb of swa
16:34	Megaf_	[13:21:04] <Megaf_> I have a computer at home with 16 GB of swap
16:34	Exio4	+p
16:35	Exio4	if i install more ram, i'll be adding more swap, at least enough for hibernating if i even need it
16:35	Exio4	after i get the pair of 2tb hdds, i'll be setting up a mirror RAID :D
16:35	Megaf_	once I read that a good amount of swap is the double of RAM you have
16:35	Exio4	nah, not _that_ much with today's ram amounts
16:35	Megaf_	I believe it`s because this way you can use a swap as swap and still be able to hibernate with no problems
16:36	Exio4	the swapiness is based on ram usage btw
16:36	Exio4	not swap's size, afaik
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16:38	Exio4	unless you give your system 500 GB of swap (also known as you're fucking crazy) you won't have problems
16:39	Amaz	So, buying a 1tb disk to use entirely for swap isn't a good idea?
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16:39	Megaf_	Amaz: it could be if you need lots of virtual machines or do a make -j 1000
16:39	Calinou	Amaz, of course not
16:40	Calinou	disks are insanely slow; SSDs are very slow; RAM is slow, in comparison to CPU cache.
16:40	Exio4	you'd be crazy if you do that, your cpu would die :P
16:40	Amaz	I thought so!
16:40	Megaf_	the rule is, have as much of RAM you can
16:40	Exio4	what about registers
16:40	Exio4	they're faster than CPU cache
16:40	Exio4	the*
16:40	Calinou	Megaf_, as needed*
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16:42	cx384	hi
16:42	Megaf_	Hi cx384
16:43	Piggybear87	Where the eff is "desktop sharing preferences"?
16:43	Megaf_	Piggybear87: you want to share you screen?
16:44	Piggybear87	Yes, permanently with my other machine.
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16:44	Megaf_	Piggybear87: what OS are you using?
16:44	Piggybear87	Lubuntu 14.04
16:45	Megaf_	oh
16:45	Megaf_	so I have no idea
16:45	Megaf_	!g google
16:45	MinetestBot	Megaf_: http://www.google.com/
16:45	Piggybear87	Ah. Anyone else?
16:45	Piggybear87	I have googled.
16:45	Megaf_	!g share desktop vnc ubuntu
16:45	MinetestBot	Megaf_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
16:45	Megaf_	!g remote desktop vnc ubuntu
16:45	MinetestBot	Megaf_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
16:45	Megaf_	Piggybear87: there you go
16:46	Piggybear87	I didn't want to use VNC because I would have to accept on the other machine, and with no mouse keyboard and monitor that would be hard.
16:46	Megaf_	no, you don't have to accept anything
16:47	Megaf_	you are not on windows...
16:47	Megaf_	you just need to set a password
16:47	Megaf_	the VNC server will alway be running
16:47	Piggybear87	So I would need to install VNC on both machines, right?
16:47	Jordach	you only need a VNC client
16:47	LemonLake	oo fontwork
16:48	Piggybear87	What about the other machine?
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16:49	Megaf_	Piggybear87: why don't you read that link?
16:49	Megaf_	Hello pony_john
16:49	Calinou	hi john_minetest
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16:50	Piggybear87	I don't get it...
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16:58	Piggybear87	That's over the internet, not locally. Any other links?
16:58	m5	Hello everybody
16:59	Piggybear87	And also, what about a power failure? I will have to swap monitor, kb and mouse again...
16:59	Exio4	you make a daemon that autostarts the vnc server
16:59	* Megaf	gives up
16:59	Exio4	some headless machine that is running in my lan has a vnc server on autostart
16:59	Exio4	it doesn't start X11
16:59	Exio4	(it is a "server for people that uses windows" basically, they wanted a gui for doing the stuff, so i let them have a gui :D)
17:00	Piggybear87	I don't know how to do that. I just started using Linux not even a month ago.
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17:02	Piggybear87	Can anyone give me a how-to from a newbies prospective?
17:02	Calinou	perspective* :
17:02	m5	i can
17:02	Piggybear87	OK, how do I do it?
17:05	* Piggybear87	waits.
17:05	Calinou	try a more general channel – your distribution's channel, such as #ubuntu
17:05	Calinou	or ##linux
17:05	Calinou	this is #minetest after all :)
17:06	Piggybear87	I know, but they're dicks over there. They expect everyone to just know how to do stuff.
17:07	Calinou	not necessarily
17:07	Calinou	I'd still try asking
17:08	EvergreenTree	Piggybear87: I know
17:09	Piggybear87	Would SSH be easier?
17:09	EvergreenTree	I actually prefer asking stuff here first.  :P
17:09	EvergreenTree	?
17:09	EvergreenTree	what do you mean would SSH be easier?
17:09	Piggybear87	I just need to launch stuff from that machine, I don't need to see it.
17:09	Calinou	SSH is mostly command line; but you can use the -X switch, which works fine locally (but very heavy for usage over the Internet)
17:10	Calinou	the graphical applications will appear on your desktop
17:10	EvergreenTree	Oh, sorry, I didn't see the context
17:10	Calinou	try using ssh -X, then type “geany file.txt” with Geany installed, you'll see Geany appearing on your desktop ;)
17:10	Calinou	but it'll edit the file.txt file on the server
17:10	Piggybear87	So, it would be like VNC?
17:11	LemonLake	pretty much
17:12	LemonLake	but again, it's mostly command-line
17:12	LemonLake	so if you prefer commandline, ssh is the way to go
17:12	Piggybear87	What would be the EXACT command to launch minetestserver like that? Also the command to move mods,worlds, etc over there.
17:13	m5	Calinou, ssh -X ??
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17:14	Calinou	yes
17:14	Calinou	Piggybear87, to move files from your PC to the other one, install openssh-server on your PC, then use the “scp” command
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17:15	Calinou	I think it'd be something like scp user127.0.0.1:file.txt user192.168.1.55:file.txt but I'm not sure
17:15	Calinou	(replace 192.168.1.55 with the other PC's internal IP)
17:15	Calinou	it's been years since I last used scp
17:15	Piggybear87	I wish I had another monitor, keyboard and mouse, it would be a lot easier... Or a KVM.
17:16	Megaf	!title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9493#p144638
17:16	MinetestBot	Megaf: [Mod] Fire - Yet Another Non spreadable fire. - Minetest Forums
17:18	m5	OldCoder, It was very effective to change the name back to MarkTwain from 0 players with no serverlist to about 3 with it and now 10 using the old name
17:19	Piggybear87	I could use something like "Sharemouse", but it doesn't share video, only mouse and keyboard.
17:19	m5	Piggybear87, Synergy I think
17:20	Piggybear87	Smae thing, no video support.
17:22	OldCoder	m5, kk
17:22	OldCoder	m5, I made a custom Windows client
17:23	OldCoder	Should start most worlds instantly; or less than a minute
17:23	m5	Cool
17:23	m5	Setting up Anope atm
17:23	OldCoder	Piggybear87, m5 If either of you knows DS_ reassure him that we hope to fix things
17:23	OldCoder	He seems to be a concerned Landrush player
17:25	Piggybear87	I don't think I know him, but if I see him, I will tell him.
17:31	Megaf	!title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9494#p144640
17:31	MinetestBot	Megaf: [Mod] green_screen - Minetest Forums
17:32	Piggybear87	The only software KVM's I can fine are actually KM's. This blows...
17:32	Piggybear87	And I don't have the money for an actual KVM switch...
17:34	Calinou	Megaf, seen it, moved
17:34	Calinou	you're doing your lists wrong
17:34	Megaf	Calinou: not wrong, that's not bbcode
17:34	Calinou	fixed them
17:34	Megaf	ok
17:34	Calinou	well, I'll fix the titles too
17:35	Megaf	Calinou: Thanks
17:35	Calinou	they aren't valid bbcode either
17:35	Calinou	no problem
17:35	Calinou	[size=150] makes for good headers, optionally bold
17:35	Piggybear87	Or are Windows only or cost money...
17:35	Megaf	Calinou: I will post one more mod today, will create the topic as you fixed those I just posted
17:35	rubenwardy	Hi all!
17:35	Megaf	Hi rubenwardy
17:36	Megaf	I'm turning more_chests in a modpack, so you can enable and disable any chest you want.
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17:38	Calinou	done for both
17:39	Megaf	Thank you! :)
17:39	Calinou	no problem
17:40	Megaf	you moving the fire mod to releases too?
17:40	Calinou	fixed topic titles
17:40	Calinou	will do
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17:40	Calinou	done ;)
17:40	Megaf	Thanks again, they look much better indeed
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17:43	nman3600	m5: Are you active?
17:43	m5	yes
17:44	nman3600	m5 and old friend wants to say hello on your server
17:44	realtinymonster	:O
17:44	* realtinymonster	discovered a really odd glitch in MC
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17:45	nman3600	an old friend*
17:46	nman3600	m5: well?
17:46	realtinymonster	dadadadaddadadadaadadaadadadadadadddaaadadadddadddaaadadaaadddadaddadaddadaaadadddadadaaadaddaddad < m5
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17:51	Jordach	realtinymonster, i can one up that
17:51	Jordach	you should ask chainlynx
17:51	Megaf	Hai Vazon, RBA fixed more_chests :)
17:51	Megaf	I'm turning it on a modpack right now
17:52	Vazon	fixed it??? what was wrong ( broken code)?
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17:53	Megaf	Vazon: lots of things
17:53	Megaf	this is one of them https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/commit/e48cd776d25f0c3ad7f8a066785c139f96c6476e
17:54	Calinou	renewed many textures in Carbone, like book stuff and gold stuff
17:55	Megaf	And this was another thing https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/commit/314fd4e90ee161e30641422e2c8e85b2d96679c5
17:55	Vazon	Hey,  was on the right track, but that is code is beyong me :3
17:55	Megaf	Vazon: and I updated all chests textures, but the wifi one
17:55	Vazon	great, i used different textures on my server up i saw them and they look great
17:55	Megaf	Vazon: do a git pull
17:55	Jordach	Calinou, this isn't a library ;)
17:56	Megaf	Calinou: I'm turning this https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests into a modpack, should I create another branch for that, or another repo, or just change everything in place?
17:57	Calinou	change everything in place
17:57	Calinou	it'll work as-is for people who update
17:57	Calinou	have a modpack.txt inside the root directory
17:58	Calinou	(can contain anything, ideally something informative)
17:58	Megaf	Ok, I'm creating a branch just to review everything
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18:04	Megaf	oh dear, I did git commit -a and it opened a text editor thing, how to I save and quit?
18:06	asl	press :q!
18:08	Megaf	thanks asl
18:08	Calinou	depends on editor
18:08	Megaf	I did Esq then :wq or qw
18:08	Megaf	[15:06:33] <osse> Megaf: <Esc>:wq<Enter
18:08	Megaf	It changed on git 2.0
18:08	Megaf	used to be nano, and I was happy with it
18:09	Megaf	but theu changed on git 2.x
18:09	Megaf	they*
18:09	Calinou	I use -am
18:09	Megaf	well, the modpack https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/tree/modpack
18:10	Megaf	There's still some cleaning to do, I'm doing it right now
18:10	asl	megaf: you can change it back to nano doing  git config --global core.editor "nano"
18:11	Megaf	cool asl, thanks again
18:12	Megaf	I need help with aliases
18:12	Megaf	I'm not sure on what should I do,
18:12	Megaf	I have a single aliases.lua file per mod in modpack
18:13	Megaf	when it wasnt a modpack I used a global file
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18:16	Megaf	ok, theres no need for an alias file
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18:27	m5	OldCoder, My creative mod lags the server pretty badly
18:28	OldCoder	m5, should not be possible
18:28	OldCoder	for you to lag *my* hardware unless mod is pretty bad
18:28	OldCoder	able to fix it?
18:28	m5	It iterates through all items on every page turn
18:28	OldCoder	Um
18:28	OldCoder	Need to remove it or fix that
18:29	m5	I think it's the only way to do what it does, i'd be happy to replace ut
18:29	m5	Don't need to remove anything yet
18:29	OldCoder	I need to run an errand. PM me with your decision. But I can't let a world slow down other things.
18:29	m5	I should have a creativechanger like thing with inventory plus
18:29	OldCoder	m5, PM me about decisions. Back in an hour.
18:30	Megaf	heh, I just totally messed up with more_chests.
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18:39	Evolykane	what's the mod with the health bar over the player?
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18:42	Megaf	can anyone test this and tell me whats wrong please? git clone https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests.git -b modpack
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18:45	Megaf	Hi Zeg9
18:45	Zeg9	Hi
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18:49	nman3600	hello
18:51	Megaf	Hi nman3600
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18:58	* Piggybear87	is pissed...
18:58	nman3600	why?
18:59	Piggybear87	I built my other tower and it won't fire up. No video at all...
19:00	Piggybear87	It was working not even 2 weeks ago. I was using until I found this one.
19:02	Piggybear87	Nothing goes right for me... I just wanted a small server.
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19:04	Megaf	Piggybear87: did you assembly that tower youself?
19:04	Piggybear87	Yes. I've done it a thousand times.
19:04	nman3600	Piggybear87: All you have to do is BELIEVE (this is probably useless help)
19:04	Piggybear87	Lol.
19:05	Megaf	so, unplug and plug the following. ATX cable, SATA/IDE cables, mem,
19:05	Megaf	and whatever PCI/PCI-X card you have
19:05	Megaf	if that dont help, swap memory from slots
19:07	Amaz	proller: Did you see this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1209#issuecomment-45727875
19:13	nman3600	How do you register a custom sound into a tool?
19:16	Megaf	Jordach: can you help please? Minetest will complain the wifi chest does not follow name convention, https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/tree/modpack
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19:17	Megaf	Jordach: nevermind, I think I see whats wrong
19:18	Megaf	I have to change modname for all chests in init.lua
19:19	Megaf	I will do that when I'm home, too difficult to work on OS X or Windows. Very unproductive and no practical OSes, I need Linux =/
19:22	nman3600	Can someone help me?
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19:24	nman3600	How do you register a custom sound into a tool?
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19:24	Piggybear87	I can't host a server, I can't play, I can't even watch effing Youtube! This machine is USELESS!
19:25	nman3600	Can someone help me?
19:25	Piggybear87	With?
19:25	nman3600	How do you register a custom sound into a tool?
19:25	Piggybear87	That's handled by each node I believe.
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19:27	nman3600	so... how do i do it?
19:27	Megaf	nman3600: take a look at tools.lua in default in mods in minetest_game
19:27	Megaf	nman3600: but actually, the soung a pick will make when hit a node is defined by the node itself
19:27	Piggybear87	OR actually, you can look at Technic, it has tools with sounds, like the chainsaw and laser and drills.
19:28	nman3600	well i want shears in my mod to have a sound when used how do i do that?
19:28	Piggybear87	Look at Technic.
19:30	nman3600	I could just do with and example because in technic it's not helping
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19:31	Piggybear87	Looking, one sec.
19:32	* nman3600	has to wait 30 mins for a show ugh
19:32	Piggybear87	Maybe this part is useful. Take a look at chainsaw.lua
19:32	Piggybear87	-- clear result and start sawing things down
19:32	Piggybear87	produced = {}
19:32	Piggybear87	remaining_charge = recursive_dig(pos, remaining_charge, player)
19:32	Piggybear87	minetest.sound_play("chainsaw", {pos = pos, gain = 1.0, max_hear_distance = 10,})
19:33	PenguinDad	nman3600: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2244
19:34	nman3600	I'm 10 years old how am i supposed to understand this
19:35	Piggybear87	minetest.sound_play("chainsaw", {pos = pos, gain = 1.0, max_hear_distance = 10,})
19:35	Piggybear87	Add that to the end of your tool register and see what happens. You have to have the sound somewhere though.
19:36	nman3600	i have the sound in the mod folder though
19:37	nman3600	and i assume i need to change "chainsaw" to "shears"
19:37	Megaf	nman3600: change to the ogg filename
19:37	Piggybear87	^
19:38	nman3600	Megaf the ogg file name is shears.ogg
19:38	Megaf	then change it to shears
19:38	nman3600	i did and it doesn't work
19:38	Megaf	minetest.sound_play("shears.ogg", {pos = pos, gain = 1.0, max_hear_distance = 2,})
19:38	Megaf	do you have a folder named sounds?
19:39	Exio4	do you really need to specify .ogg?
19:39	Megaf	Exio4: I don't know, he didnt and didnt work
19:39	nman3600	Megaf i have a folder named sounds yes
19:39	nman3600	oh i see the prob
19:39	Megaf	do you?
19:40	nman3600	yess i did "shears" not "shears.ogg" but it still isn't working
19:40	nman3600	oh wait
19:40	nman3600	nevermind
19:41	nman3600	What Megaf i did exactly what you told me to do and it still is not working
19:41	PenguinDad	nman3600: your shears are a tool aren't they?
19:42	nman3600	PenguinDad, yes
19:42	nman3600	no i hate these errors i can never actually find where it goes
19:43	nman3600	Error = \init.lua:23: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 21) near 'minetest'
19:43	Amaz	Usually, it means you missed a comma on the previous line.
19:43	nman3600	Line 23 = minetest.sound_play("shears.ogg", {pos = pos, gain = 1.0, max_hear_distance = 2,})
19:44	Amaz	line 22?
19:44	nman3600	Line 22 = crumbly={times={[1]=5.00, [2]=3.50, [3]=3.00}, uses=80, maxlevel=1}
19:45	nman3600	and line 22 has been there since i started the mod
19:45	Amaz	Add a comma after either of those lines.
19:46	nman3600	where though?
19:47	Amaz	At the end.
19:47	nman3600	Tried that = fail
19:47	nman3600	if i give you the whole chunk of code can you fix it?
19:47	Amaz	Okay.
19:47	Amaz	I'll try.
19:48	* nman3600	always forgets the website na,e
19:48	nman3600	name*
19:48	Amaz	pastebin?
19:49	nman3600	that was it
19:49	Megaf	Amaz: y u no fix my code too?
19:49	Megaf	:P
19:49	Amaz	I could look at it, if you want...
19:51	nman3600	i'm trying to show the lines it's on and have the code but it's fucked up
19:52	PenguinDad	nman3600: try this code https://dpaste.de/SU4j
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19:53	jp__	I have a problem with minetest-mapper : http://pastebin.com/XDqu0YzK
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19:57	nman3600	lol i crashed i think
19:58	PenguinDad	nman3600: could you try this code https://dpaste.de/SU4j
19:58	nman3600	PenguinDad, i did and i'm testing it now
19:59	* nman3600	gives PenguinDad a pat on the back
19:59	nman3600	it works
20:00	nsa	Uh oh
20:00	realtinymonster	nsa!
20:01	* PenguinDad	slaps m5 with a random trout!
20:02	m5	Woah
20:02	m5	lol rainbow trout
20:03	* PenguinDad	,07h,06a,12s ,12a ,07r,09a,03i,06n,04b,02o,04w ,13t,09r,04o,11u,02t,06!
20:04	* m5	copies has a rainbow trout!
20:04	m5	...
20:04	* m5	is sad
20:05	PenguinDad	m5: if you are using weechat just install prism.py
20:05	m5	hexchat
20:07	Megaf	CraigyDavi: I'm not sure if you can remove 0gb's mod and use mine, I'm not sure where items are stored in his mod
20:08	CraigyDavi	Megaf, Hmm okay. I have not installed it yet but when i do ill tell you if it goes to plan
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20:08	Megaf	CraigyDavi: just backup things first,
20:08	Megaf	more_chest should be stable by now and 100% compatible,
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20:08	Megaf	but shit happens
20:09	Drae	Hi:/
20:09	nman3600	Because now shears have a sound it won't let you break nodes with it
20:09	CraigyDavi	Yes I'll do that
20:09	nman3600	gotta go
20:10	CraigyDavi	Hi Drae
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20:10	Drae	:/
20:10	Drae	Hi Craigy
20:11	kaeza	evenings
20:11	Drae	Hi lazes
20:11	Drae	*kaeza
20:12	Drae	Stupid auto correct.
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20:13	Drae	Kaeza do u know if kiwiirc is up yet?
20:14	Megaf	!title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=144665#p144665
20:14	MinetestBot	Megaf: [Mod] More Chests [more_chests] - Minetest Forums
20:14	Megaf	^ CraigyDavi
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20:14	CraigyDavi	Nice :)
20:15	kaeza	Drae, get a real IRC client :)
20:15	Drae	Lara like what?
20:15	kaeza	:|
20:16	Megaf	Hi kaeza
20:16	Drae	Grrrr....auto correct
20:16	kaeza	sup Megaf
20:16	Megaf	Drae: what OS you use?
20:16	CraigyDavi	Drae, Try HexChat http://hexchat.github.io/
20:17	kaeza	CraigyDavi, I suppose he uses some mobile device
20:17	Megaf	VanessaE: will this work with pipeworks? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=144665#p144665
20:17	CraigyDavi	Ah yes, probably not much you can do about that then
20:18	Megaf	well, there are great IRC clients for Android
20:18	kaeza	>Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; CPU iPhone OS 5_1_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1
20:18	VanessaE	Megaf: I don't know.  probably not.
20:19	VanessaE	(it won't break, I don't think, but pipeworks won't use it)
20:19	VanessaE	I'm sure it could be adapted though
20:19	VanessaE	see compat.lua in pipeworks.
20:19	VanessaE	in there is code that redefines default chests and furnaces to make them work with pipeworks
20:19	VanessaE	the same sort of code may work for your mod also.
20:20	Megaf	Ok, I will take a look at compat.lua
20:21	jp__	VanessaE : https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&amp;t=9496
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20:24	realtinymonster	Drae: you need a iOS client?
20:24	Megaf	jp__: that's insane
20:24	jp__	Thanks :D
20:24	Drae	Ya
20:24	realtinymonster	try IRC999 or IRChon
20:24	realtinymonster	both amazing
20:24	Megaf	IRChon is better
20:24	realtinymonster	I use IRC999 more
20:24	realtinymonster	Megaf: not
20:25	Drae	Okay I'll try those.
20:25	realtinymonster	its UI is SHIT
20:25	Megaf	but I rather use Colloquy
20:25	VanessaE	jp__: niiiiiiiice
20:25	jp__	Enjoy it ;)
20:25	realtinymonster	^ Drae that one too
20:25	Megaf	Colloquy is actually the most Apple like IRC client you will get in iOS
20:25	Megaf	is what I use
20:25	Megaf	used to use*
20:26	VanessaE	jp__: what, no 504 Battery Drive?
20:26	Megaf	now I use Quassel Client on Mac, Linux, Windows and Android and run Quassel Core on my desktop (Debian)
20:26	jp__	VanessaE : not found on MC repository :(
20:26	VanessaE	so build it :)
20:27	jp__	But there WTC and Statue of Liberty, as requested ;)
20:27	jp__	there are*
20:28	Drae	Monster should I put a # on front of it when I put the host name?
20:28	jp__	Next master project : Fantasia.
20:30	VanessaE	jp__: your statue of liberty is messed up
20:30	VanessaE	you've got her flipped horizontally.
20:30	jp__	No, she is vertically.
20:31	VanessaE	no, I mean,
20:31	asl	the wrong hand is holding the torch?
20:31	VanessaE	you have her left hand raised
20:31	jp__	The back is messed by his MC exporter, I saw that.
20:31	VanessaE	but it's her RIGHT hand that should be raised.
20:32	jp__	I can't fix that, the MC schematic is like that.
20:32	jp__	I filled the back and put a pixel art to compensate
20:33	VanessaE	ehm...
20:33	VanessaE	you'll piss off a few new yorkers if you don't fix this :)
20:34	jp__	Hey, it's a french gift from my ancestors to new yorkers ;)
20:34	VanessaE	heh
20:34	Amaz	Great! And you are repeating that gift!
20:34	jp__	Exactly :)
20:35	jp__	The MC buildings are made by a french player too.
20:35	Amaz	Great!
20:35	Amaz	So, you are like shipping it over!
20:36	jp__	shipping it over ?
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20:37	Amaz	From MC to MT like from France to USA
20:39	* VanessaE	pokes at kaeza for signs of life
20:39	Drae	:-/
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20:41	VanessaE	kaeza: I'm running clearobjects on the servers now, could you investigate what is causing signs_lib to create (or leave behind) duplicate entities?  there seems to be an awful lot of them for so relatively few signs.  Sapier discovered this:  http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=34xnjvb&amp;s=8#.U5i-jR_Hn0N  and this:  http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=j0ac5x&amp;s=8#.U5i-jx_Hn0N (note the floating ones).  They're whited-out here for testing.
20:42	VanessaE	(whited-out is how he discovered their existence)
20:43	kaeza	hmmm
20:44	Vazon	VanessaE, Im stumped on a dropondie problem. When a player dies and the items drop theres tools repair them selves
20:44	VanessaE	Vazon: idk about that.
20:44	Vazon	mhmmmm
20:45	Piggybear87	Vazon, What's with the sounds? I was on earlier and got the shat scared out of me. Lol.
20:45	VanessaE	kaeza: for a while now I've also had issues with signs leaving behind orphans when you try to edit an old sign
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20:45	VanessaE	eg. the old text stays there when the new text appears
20:46	Vazon	sounds??? lol
20:46	VanessaE	it's like the sign loses the handle to its text entity
20:46	Piggybear87	On your server, like birds and bats, water, etc.
20:47	Piggybear87	A bird squawked and my speakers were up and it startled me.
20:47	Megaf	Bye
20:47	Vazon	xD that is the ambeince mod
20:48	Vazon	that mod has been in for a few weeks now
20:48	Piggybear87	I know to check my volume before I log on now.
20:48	Piggybear87	I guess my speakers were down yesterday then.
20:50	Vazon	ya
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20:57	VanessaE	kaeza: sorry to be a pest :(
20:57	kaeza	no probs
20:58	kaeza	weird thing is I see nothing that could suggest leaving entities around
20:58	VanessaE	yeah, neither did I when I looked just a bit ago.
20:58	VanessaE	sapier: *poke*
20:58	kaeza	the signs remove all "signs:text" entities in the area on update
20:59	kaeza	unless it's entity duplication again...
20:59	sapier	yes?
21:00	paramat	hi, anyone else get a frozen game, temporary black screen, frozen computer on 2nd press of f5? with latest 0.4.9dev. just happened to me for the 3rd time
21:00	VanessaE	sapier: see above
21:01	VanessaE	it's gotta be an engine bug.  I think the engine is screwing up the entities' handles/names on reload
21:02	sapier	why?
21:03	sapier	if it'd skrew things up why should the texture size be the only one kept?
21:05	VanessaE	sapier: I wish I had a better answer :P
21:05	sapier	lets see if they're gona after cleanup
21:08	kaeza	o wait
21:08	VanessaE	kaeza: what?
21:10	kaeza	I see all those signs on your screenshot are just regular wall signs (i.e. not yard signs, not fence-attached signs, etc)
21:12	kaeza	the offset for the wall signs' text is {x =  0, y = 0.15, z =  0.399}
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21:13	kaeza	hmm
21:14	VanessaE	yeah?
21:18	kaeza	eh nvm
21:21	VanessaE	sapier: clearobjects is finished and all of the servers I ran it on have been restarted
21:22	VanessaE	only FreeForAll and Creative remain, and they each have a couple of players active so I'll leave them be
21:23	kaeza	Jordach, jdukebox/#1
21:23	Jordach	what have you done now
21:23	kaeza	https://github.com/Jordach/jdukebox/pull/1
21:24	Jordach	donesies
21:24	kaeza	>3 hours ago
21:24	kaeza	stupid thunderbird didn't notify -_-
21:24	kaeza	aaaand it crashed now
21:25	VanessaE	sapier, kaeza:  profiler says there are now two objects (both of which I guess are players).
21:25	VanessaE	*punches a sign, text appears*  --->  number of objects, 3.
21:26	Jordach	kaeza, dat refactor
21:26	VanessaE	*punches three more signs, three more text objects appear* --> number of objects, 7 (but that's because another player logged in)
21:26	sapier	yes I'm in
21:26	VanessaE	*punches 10 more signs* --> num objects, 17.
21:27	VanessaE	aannnnnnd I accidentally dug a sign and erased its contents :P
21:27	sapier	framerate already drops
21:27	VanessaE	31 objects visible at the spawn now.
21:28	VanessaE	37.  All of the spawn's signs are turned on now.
21:28	VanessaE	would be 38 if I weren't such a klutz. :P
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21:28	VanessaE	my fps is far higher now than it was before (mid to high 30's versus low 20's)
21:29	sapier	yes I'm at 9 -10 fps too but I was at 11-12 before you started punching
21:29	sapier	and before clean I was at 4-6
21:30	VanessaE	but you're using a tablet.
21:30	* VanessaE	tries hers.
21:30	VanessaE	oops, can't.  already uninstalled that last build.
21:31	* VanessaE	reinstalls it
21:33	VanessaE	sure enough, I get a higher fps at spawn now
21:33	VanessaE	2 versus "0".
21:33	kaeza	Jordach, <3 Eastern Feeling
21:34	kaeza	VanessaE, I'm still seeing 1-2 objects depending whether there's a sign or not
21:34	VanessaE	kaeza: players are objects too I guess
21:35	VanessaE	or wait, I guess I'm misreading that
21:35	kaeza	yeah, sign + me
21:35	VanessaE	sapier: do entities respect the view range?  I don't think they do.
21:35	sapier	<< trying to joing using a 600mhz single core device
21:35	kaeza	lol
21:35	VanessaE	sapier: also what's the minimum view range on a tablet build?
21:36	sapier	joined!
21:36	VanessaE	I see you
21:36	VanessaE	wait
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21:36	VanessaE	what is a "simple object" according to the F6 profiler?
21:37	sapier	drawtime 530ms
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21:40	VanessaE	sapier: what's the minimum view range on a tablet build, and what's a "simple object" according to the F6 profiler display?
21:42	sapier	20 nodes min
21:42	sapier	50 max
21:42	VanessaE	ok
21:44	VanessaE	sapier: I'm gonna turn the other signs around the spawn back on now
21:45	sapier	ok lets se where we're gonna end up
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21:55	realtinymonster	So!
21:55	realtinymonster	i'm bored
21:55	VanessaE	sapier: ok, that's as many as I know about and can find.  after much flying around, 191 objects are visible to my client from the spawn, with a view range of 84 and a FPS of 28.
21:56	VanessaE	which means two things:  1, there aren't nearly as many signs as you thought :P  and 2, the view range does not properly account for the rendering load caused by entities
21:56	VanessaE	because my view range should have foreshortened itself a little bit to get me back into the 40+ FPS range
21:57	VanessaE	(that's with my PC of course)
21:57	realtinymonster	Oh wow
21:58	sapier	my tablet is still at about 6fps
21:58	realtinymonster	I found a survey site that actually recommends using FakeNameGeneratior
21:58	realtinymonster	LOL\
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21:58	Jordach	kaeza, i have a higher resolution version
21:59	sapier	but those orphaned items seem to be gone
22:00	VanessaE	sapier: indeed.  now, what about the "simple objects" question?
22:01	sapier	no idea :-)
22:01	VanessaE	I ask because I wonder if we're using the wrong "mode" for the signs' entities
22:02	VanessaE	if there's a "simple" object that would take less GPU/CPU time to render, could we use it, etc etc.
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22:06	Drae	Ugh :( I'm sick.
22:08	VanessaE	sowwy :(
22:08	Drae	I hate being sick
22:09	Drae	Well I'll be afk playing sniper shooter >:) bust me some heads
22:13	Jordach	Sniper Elite V2 FTW
22:17	VanessaE	~seen sdzen
22:17	VanessaE	!seen sdzen
22:17	MinetestBot	VanessaE: sdzen was last seen at 2014-02-22 03:58:24 UTC on #minetest
22:17	VanessaE	feh.
22:17	VanessaE	gonna force me to fix this myself eh.
22:21	Drae	Back :)
22:23	VanessaE	hm, actually I don't have to fix it.  just didn't know what tool to use.
22:25	Drae	;(
22:27	Drae	!seen ChubbaBubba
22:27	MinetestBot	Drae: Sorry, I haven't seen chubbabubba around.
22:27	Drae	~seen ChubbaBubba
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22:36	* Jordach	tries to poke RBA
22:36	Jordach	~tell RealBadAngel dude - i've got a meshnode waiting for youy
22:36	Jordach	DAMMIT
22:36	Jordach	!tell RealBadAngel dude - i've got a meshnode waiting for you
22:36	MinetestBot	Jordach: I'll pass that on when RealBadAngel is around
22:37	Jordach	:3
22:37	* Jordach	pats MinetestBot
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22:39	Jordach	evening paramat
22:41	paramat	more info on f5 freeze: happens on 2nd or 3rd press of f5 when flying, latest 049dev. game freezes, screen goes black temporarily, computer frozen except mouse
22:41	paramat	o/
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22:42	paramat	verbose debug looks normal but perhaps i'll post it in the forum
22:43	VanessaE	paramat: strange, I've been using that function and it seems to work fine here
22:43	Jordach	paramat, i'm heading into the city on Saturday to watch X-Men
22:45	paramat	hm, could be my dodgy old laptop. Jordach warning :) i am a bit antisocial ;)
22:46	Jordach	lol
22:46	VanessaE	paramat: but everyone loves ya anyway
22:46	Jordach	i'm worse, i live in my corner - and am apparently incapable of visiting the job centre weekly
22:46	Jordach	in fact, i could probably give you the exact GPS location of where i'm sitting
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22:56	Jordach	VanessaE, are those signs well hung by players? :D
22:57	Jordach	or are they like torches, don't abide by gravity
22:57	Jordach	considering ceiling torches irl are impossible without affixing them :D
22:58	VanessaE	Jordach: wat
22:58	VanessaE	oh, no they don't respect attached-node etc
22:58	Jordach	i was reading your post about  upside down signs ;P
22:58	VanessaE	(and there's no "hanging node" feature either)
22:58	Jordach	and about how they hung ;P
22:59	VanessaE	no, not upside-down, hung
22:59	VanessaE	as if dangling from chains
22:59	Jordach	although i'm probably swapping my dictionary defs again
22:59	VanessaE	look on Survival, at "Ye Old Smithye" shop
22:59	VanessaE	that one is a hanging sign
22:59	VanessaE	or in the travelnet exchange there, the sign above the registration desk
23:01	Drae	Hi guys :/
23:02	Drae	Anyone?
23:03	Jordach	hm?
23:04	Drae	$.$ Mr.Krabs
23:04	VanessaE	hi
23:05	Drae	Money money money!
23:09	Drae	Afk guys.
23:12	Piggybear87	|.| |.|  <--THAT is Mr. Krabs, Drae.
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23:14	Piggybear87	Hello ecutruin, did you figure out what you needed yesterday?
23:14	Jordach	evening? ecutruin
23:14	ecutruin	Piggybear87, eh I figured out a lot. ^-^
23:15	Piggybear87	Sweet! I look forward to some new mods :)
23:15	* Jordach	does too :D
23:15	Jordach	kinda bit stale on the modding front :P
23:15	ecutruin	Seems the engine does have some work before its 'exactly' what I need, but that I should be able to do a 'lot' of what I want with creative use of the available features.
23:15	* Piggybear87	has plenty, but need MOAR!!!!!
23:16	Jordach	ecutruin, what we need is an infusion of cocaine + meth + a blender + smoothie = mad hatter level ideas
23:16	ecutruin	Jordach, I noticed that as well. ^-^;  It'll be a bit for me to really get a handle on it all, but hopefully I can do some interesting things.
23:16	Piggybear87	Jordach, Whoa...
23:16	Jordach	sweet
23:17	Jordach	i swear IRC just locked up
23:17	Jordach	well Quassel*
23:17	ecutruin	One thing I know though is that I'll likely need to essentially remake Minetest default (I can do that right?), as if I'm going to do stuff, I might as well start from scratch(ish).
23:18	Jordach	ecutruin, you can
23:18	Piggybear87	Open source for a reason. :)
23:18	Jordach	there are other subgames for the engine, such as Minitest, Nodetopia, Big Freaking Digh
23:18	* ecutruin	nods.
23:18	Jordach	all with different goals in mind
23:18	VanessaE	and Dreambuilder ;)
23:19	Jordach	VanessaE, why'd you think BFD attempts to only have one method of doing things rather than the infinite possible combos
23:20	VanessaE	heh
23:21	Jordach	because - Technic's multiple ores, Moreores, Weird Ores, and the list continues
23:21	ecutruin	So Jordach, you do the Technic mod right?
23:22	VanessaE	I like having multiple ways to do stufff
23:22	VanessaE	-f
23:22	Jordach	ecutruin, i'm a contributor; but i don't commit, if even rarely
23:22	Jordach	hint: i dislike large projects by multiple people with differing goals
23:22	ecutruin	Ah.  I was curious why they bother to call it 'Technic'.. when Technic isn't actually a single mod. xD
23:23	Jordach	ecutruin, modpack more like
23:23	Jordach	bbl - frigging around with Blender's Raytracing again
23:23	ecutruin	Yeah, as I said the other morning, I know pretty much every author of every mod in that pack. xD
23:23	kaeza	TECHNICally it's a mod, as everything depends on everything else (more or less)
23:24	kaeza	(I just said something stupid to make a bad pun, my apologies :P)
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23:24	VanessaE	haha
23:24	ecutruin	kaeza, no.. Technic 'technically' is a launcher.  The mods running on said launcher are the modpack..
23:24	* ecutruin	snickers.
23:26	Jordach	we don't need no stinkin launchers :D
23:26	Tesseract	Jordach: I know.  Her server is down ATM.
23:27	Jordach	you took 1 day to respond
23:27	Jordach	i've seen worse :P
23:27	* ecutruin	snickers..
23:28	ecutruin	Oh man, I'm looking at the Technic mod for minetest.. o.o;
23:28	ecutruin	You weren't kidding when you said multiple authors, were you?
23:29	Jordach	yup :P
23:29	* VanessaE	hides
23:29	* ecutruin	should maybe shut up before offending others. >.<
23:29	* ecutruin	meeps.
23:29	Jordach	offending others here doesn't work
23:30	Jordach	i often take the piss and don't even get slapped on the wrist
23:30	kaeza	you just get trolled for all eternity
23:30	Jordach	maybe execept that one time where i used retarded and fuckwit one after another
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23:30	Exio4	oh man
23:30	Exio4	this pizza + papas fritas is awesome
23:30	* kaeza	hugs E
23:30	Drae	Wat up!
23:30	kaeza	potato fries
23:30	kaeza	Exio4,
23:30	Jordach	the night sky
23:31	Jordach	(that's actually correct here)
23:31	Exio4	potato fries is english, and this is too good to be english
23:31	ecutruin	Well, just, what I will say is that if people want to copy MC mods.. why don't they just copy the MC mods? >.<
23:33	Jordach	because some people might not want 1:1 clones
23:33	* ecutruin	hrms..
23:33	Jordach	they might also want to add their own thoughts in rather than what was intended :P
23:33	ecutruin	Yeah.. I think I'll just shut up on that topic. ^-^;
23:35	Exio4	'clones' are nice as long as they are filters of good features/concepts and kill the "workarounds", "tricks", "bad design problems", etc
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23:38	ecutruin	Exio4, I...shall respectfuly agree/disagree.  If you're going to sit down and rework the mods, you should still make sure it feels like it all fits together. ^-~;
23:38	Jordach	unlike technic
23:38	* Jordach	waits for a high five
23:39	* VanessaE	's brain starts to short out...
23:41	ecutruin	VanessaE, sorry if I sound harsh. ^-^;  I'm actually a content designer from the MC community.  Specifically those mods that people are duplicating here were written by friends of mine.  So.. I do feel a bit conflicted on that alone.
23:41	ecutruin	I'm also probably twice the age of the average Minetest player, I'd hazzard a bet.
23:42	VanessaE	no worries, ecutruin
23:42	VanessaE	however, what I write for Minetest is done with no MC influence (I don't own the game and have never played it)
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23:44	ShadowNinja	ecutruin: I understand what you mean.  But you can't expect us to not make any mods that have been made for MC.  Although many are specifically designed as copied of MC mods some of them were made without being aware that a MC alternative was available.
23:45	ecutruin	I've seen some of your stuff, VanessaE, in my research on the forums.  I've liked some of what I've seen. ^-^  I'm also an artist and a pretty damn critical one.  So I do tend to be quite harsh.
23:45	ShadowNinja	Some want to copy MC to Minetest, but many (most?) want Minetest to be different, although obviously similar.
23:45	ecutruin	ShadowNinja, why don't people just make their own large content mod? ^-^
23:46	Jordach	some want Science, some want Magicka and some just want a proper realistic survival experience
23:46	VanessaE	ecutruin: dare I ask what you didn't like? O_o
23:46	ShadowNinja	ecutruin: Well, the largest mod that I can think of is Technic.  Parts of it were inspired by some MC mods, but it is very different.
23:47	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: I dunno, homedecor might compete with it ;)
23:47	ShadowNinja	^ That's a pretty big mod too.
23:47	ecutruin	VanessaE, since you asked.. colored wood, and pipeworks.  Specifically.  Not from a conceptual standpoint but from an artistist.  The texturing on the colored wood could use a bit of work.. and the pipeworks uses high resolution textures when the world is using low.
23:48	Jordach	^
23:48	VanessaE	ecutruin: in the former case, it's just that I didn't put a lot of effort into the textures is all.  For the pipeworks ones, I went with 64px out of necessity.  low-rez textures would have looked horrible on those objects imho
23:48	VanessaE	but if someone can supply better ones at 16px, I'll consider it
23:48	VanessaE	I'm not closed-off to pull requests :)
23:48	Jordach	unlike PilzAdam ;3
23:48	ecutruin	ShadowNinja, but Technic isn't the communities own mod.  Its a collection of blocks from MC mods, redrawn/recolored (or using Terraria recolors), with tweaks to the mechanics to make it 'different'
23:49	Jordach	dafuq is up with Spotify
23:49	Jordach	my starred list is crashing
23:49	VanessaE	for example, tubes kinda need 64px textures to retain the glassy appearance of the tubes' surfaces.  I frankly think the MC equivalents look horrible
23:50	ecutruin	VanessaE, like I said, I'm a picky, grumpy old kitteh.  Don't take everything I complain about seriously. ^-^  If you like it, by all means. hehe.  Those were just my criticism. <3
23:50	VanessaE	ecutruin: oh no, no worries at all.  If you can make better ones, please do.  I'll consider them :)
23:50	ecutruin	You've seen Redpower, I assume?
23:50	VanessaE	only some brief videos.
23:50	Jordach	ecutruin, Mesecons looks like it
23:51	Jordach	(i infact think, that's what it is based from)
23:51	VanessaE	those copper/golden-colored tubes look terrible imho
23:51	ShadowNinja	AFAIK all of Technic's textures are custom.  But the node's functionality is hardly "tweaked".  They're designed from the beginning to be different.
23:51	ecutruin	Jordach, not redpower wires.. pipes. :3
23:51	Jordach	ecutruin, oh, not the pipes :3
23:51	ShadowNinja	Some of them are designed to copy MC things, but not everything.
23:51	ecutruin	http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121019232705/thetekkit/images/thumb/3/33/Pump_Example.png/400px-Pump_Example.png
23:51	VanessaE	ecutruin: case in point.
23:52	* ShadowNinja	can't open that link.
23:52	Jordach	you serious
23:52	ShadowNinja	I'm using WeeChat and Alt-L doesn't work.
23:52	Piggybear87	Ok, I simply cannot host a server, even strictly vanilla. But I am planning a server for when I get a better computer. I want to have a "theme", if you will. What type of theme should I go with?
23:52	ecutruin	VanessaE, see.. I disagree with that being bad.. I think it fits the style of the game you're working in. ^-^
23:52	VanessaE	the link (which points to a pretty small image) shows those copper/golden-colored Redpower tubes and they're so....croweded
23:52	VanessaE	crowded*
23:52	Jordach	Piggybear87, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNtOubBQv10
23:52	VanessaE	they look almost solid
23:53	Piggybear87	Like a "piggybear_game".
23:53	ecutruin	I'll get ya another picture. ^-^
23:53	Jordach	buildcraft pipes were the best
23:53	Jordach	hands down
23:53	Jordach	and they worked with every mod i can think of
23:53	Piggybear87	Jordach, Random much?
23:54	ecutruin	And ShadowNinja, can you find a youtube video showing me Technic in action quite indepth?  I'm open to changing my viewpoint, but what I've seen seems to be quite duplicated features, tweaked.
23:55	ShadowNinja	ecutruin: Um, Minetest doesn't have much of a YT presence.  But I'll look.
23:55	ShadowNinja	ecutruin: Or you could of course try it yourself.  :-)
23:56	VanessaE	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioG8OysZyvk
23:56	VanessaE	ecutruin: ^^^^^^
23:56	ecutruin	Here's a better one - http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120830220214/thetekkit/images/thumb/0/01/Done%21.png/1000px-Done%21.png
23:56	ShadowNinja	ecutruin: Searching for "minetest technic" cones up with quite a few hits.
23:57	VanessaE	(old video, damn)
23:58	ecutruin	VanessaE, I did not say pipeworks weren't impressive from a technical standpoint. ^-^  Though it seems the entities pop out of the pipes at intersections.. is that an entity issue itself?
23:58	Jordach	ecutruin, network / Lua lags
23:58	kaeza	ecutruin, that's due to MT not having true client-side prediction
23:58	Jordach	there isn't fast enough internal "updates/ticks"
23:58	ecutruin	Ah.
23:58	VanessaE	ecutruin: it's a client-side issue, there's no way to stop an entity from going past a certain coordinate.
23:59	* ecutruin	mentally notes that as a nother limitation he'd have to deal with.
23:59	kaeza	ecutruin, the entities only pop-up client side; as far as the server cares, the entities are still "on track"

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