Time Nick Message 00:40 WindHero there, made an official update to skylands 00:42 WindHero Probably should have made some default support for cavorite ore before putting it up 00:42 WindHero but I'm mostly interested in having it there for other mods to build off of 00:43 WindHero I guess in the next update I'll do what I say I will in the post: make tool upgrades 00:48 WindHero hey Enke 00:48 Enke 'ey WindHero 01:32 Drae Hi guys 01:33 Drae Guys? 01:34 Enke All 108 of us. Including bots. 01:35 Drae Anyone gonna talk to me? 01:36 Drae Please 01:38 Drae Hello? 01:39 Drae Guys it make me sad when no talk 03:44 Megaf !seen 0gb.us 03:44 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen 0gb.us around. 03:44 Megaf !seen 0gbus 03:44 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen 0gbus around. 03:44 Megaf !seen 0us.gb 03:44 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen 0us.gb around. 03:44 Megaf !seen 0usgb 03:58 Vazon VanessaE you around? 04:23 VanessaE Vazon: yeah, I'm here now 04:23 Vazon ok 04:24 VanessaE kaeza: if you feel like attacking that glitch, I'd be most appreciative :) 04:24 Vazon Question: How would one go about adding a block to pipeworks, like the money mod shops??? 04:24 VanessaE purpose of same? 04:27 Vazon well its to fill the shops, but since it has money involved i didnt know if it would change 04:28 VanessaE that would be difficult for me 04:28 VanessaE I'm not good with pipeworks' API 04:28 VanessaE nore is though 04:29 Vazon mhmmm kk 04:52 Megaf Vazon; https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests 04:52 Megaf want to help? 04:52 Megaf Improving it 04:52 Vazon sure 04:53 Megaf Vazon; I just added you as colaborator 04:54 Vazon ok, Megaf pm 05:11 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjHNPzv9sGY 05:11 Megaf ops 05:11 Megaf wrong window 07:01 PenguinDad 05H04e07l08l03o 09e10v11e02r12y06p13o05n04y07! 07:14 jin_xi ZOMG!!!11! PONYZ!!! KIttehz! 07:15 PenguinDad 08,11Y 09,02U 08,06S11,02O 05,04L10,13O05,10U12,02D07,09? 07:16 jin_xi WUT? 07:33 * VanessaE is suddenly reminded if a long lost slashdot april fools' joke theme 07:34 VanessaE jin_xi: http://www.desiringmachine.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/pink_slashdot.jpg 07:36 jin_xi wow slashdot. havent looked at it for a while... now i go back to fark.com 07:37 VanessaE you're not missing much :P 07:37 VanessaE all the good stuff is on soylentnews.org now, but they don't have nearly the level of traffic and posts 07:43 jin_xi how's your cat VanessaE ? 07:43 VanessaE they're both fine 07:44 jin_xi yay 07:45 PenguinDad lol https://i.imgur.com/KIWLhqF.jpg 07:47 VanessaE oooookay 10:19 w_laenger hi 10:36 Drae Hi guys 10:38 w_laenger hi 10:39 Drae How u doing 10:44 Drae Fine if no one is going to talk to me I'll leave. 10:44 w_laenger /set sound_command play 10:46 Drae Hi vazon 10:47 Vazon Hi Drae 10:51 Drae Vazon how I doing? 10:52 Drae Oops 11:14 w_laenger IceCream, I want to eat IceCream 11:43 Jordach swag 11:46 Drae Hi 11:46 Amaz Hm? 11:46 Drae How r u spin 11:47 Drae *doin 11:48 w_laenger hi 11:49 Drae Hi 11:49 PenguinDad Drae: I'm not spinning right now :P 11:49 Drae XD 11:52 * Amaz is trying to compile gsmappers for windows... 11:53 * Drae is just bored. 11:55 w_laenger there's a mod which changes all the inventory images of nodes with a specific drawtype to simple inventory images. 11:55 * PenguinDad just compiled LuaJIT 12:00 * Drae is confused by all the computer talk. :p 12:02 Drae Afk guys 12:12 Megaf Hi all 12:14 w_laenger hi 12:16 Megaf People, I need more contributors here please. https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests 12:17 w_laenger take the connected_chests code, it's WTFPL 12:18 Megaf w_laenger; different mods with different objectives 12:19 Megaf I can add connected_chests to more_chests actually 12:19 w_laenger if you want 12:20 Megaf well, I still need help to fix a bug. https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/issues/1 12:21 w_laenger https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/blob/master/shared.lua#L98 12:22 w_laenger mach if not fields then return end 12:22 w_laenger sry 12:22 w_laenger write* 12:24 Megaf w_laenger; you mean, creating a new line and adding "if not fields then return end"? 12:25 w_laenger yes 12:25 w_laenger this could work 12:27 RealBadAngel hmmm, where's the function "shared" defined? 12:28 Megaf ServerError: /home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../mods/more_chests/shared.lua:98: attempt to call global 'shared' (a nil value) 12:28 Megaf /home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../mods/more_chests/shared.lua:98: in function 12:28 Megaf RealBadAngel; no idea 12:28 Megaf I caused it to crash now leaving the input box empty and clicking submit 12:28 RealBadAngel meta:set_string("formspec", formspec(fields.shared)) 12:28 RealBadAngel line looked like that before 12:29 RealBadAngel formspec is a function defined at line #14 12:29 RealBadAngel you have changed it to another function called "shared" 12:29 Megaf RealBadAngel; we changed the bit already trying to fix it https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/commits/master/shared.lua 12:30 Megaf ok 12:30 RealBadAngel so, show me the function called "shared" then 12:30 RealBadAngel you are trying to use 12:31 * Megaf looks at Vazon 12:31 Megaf how do I revert the file to a previous state? 12:31 RealBadAngel either write that function or change it back to call "formspec" function defined at line #14 again 12:34 Megaf https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/blob/master/shared.lua#L98 12:34 Megaf I will try again 12:35 Megaf RealBadAngel; there's no "shared" you are right 12:36 Megaf ServerError: /home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../mods/more_chests/shared.lua:98: attempt to call local 'formspec' (a string value) 12:36 Megaf /home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../mods/more_chests/shared.lua:98: in function 12:36 Megaf ^ RealBadAngel 12:36 w_laenger you could rename the function formspec 12:38 Megaf I could add you as contributor 12:39 ecutruin 'elo. 12:39 Megaf Hi ecutruin 12:39 PenguinDad Megaf: you could rename the argument of the on_recieve_fields function 12:40 Megaf rename to what? Why? 12:40 RealBadAngel its misleading only 12:41 RealBadAngel you have to check "if fields.shared then" 12:41 w_laenger because formspec is already used and without renaming it would be redefined as sth different 12:41 RealBadAngel then perform those actions 12:41 ecutruin Hey RealBadAngel, I'm curiosus, one thing I didn't get an answer to yesterday was...connected textures on nonglass blocks. Is that something that's possible? 12:43 ecutruin Without using a ton of individual nodes, at least. XD 12:43 RealBadAngel there was such a mod already i think 12:43 ecutruin I managed to find one for glass.. but supposedly that just uses the glass code. 12:44 RealBadAngel Megaf, i fixed that for ya 12:44 w_laenger ecutruin, you could use param1 and param2 12:44 * ecutruin hrms 12:44 ecutruin w_laenger, param1 and 2 on what? I know nothing of minetest beyond my initial research. xD 12:45 w_laenger the rotation 12:45 RealBadAngel first, such node should be changed to use facedir 12:45 RealBadAngel so it could be rotated in the first place 12:46 Megaf RealBadAngel; wow, it's fixed indeed, thans a million :) 12:46 ecutruin But, I mean.. to get every possible permutation, I'd need a TON of nodes per material type I wanted to be connectable, because you cannot dynamically manipulate a texture at runtime, no? 12:47 Megaf s/thans/Thanks 12:47 RealBadAngel ecutruin, yes. by now theres no other way 12:48 ecutruin Is there a effective limit on the number of nodes you can have? 12:48 w_laenger http://i.imgur.com/SS5L9nE.png 12:50 w_laenger https://github.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous/blob/master/txt/luas/net_noise.lua 12:50 RealBadAngel https://github.com/Novatux/minetest/tree/meta_set_nodedef_4 12:50 RealBadAngel ecutruin, ^^ heres a branch with code that allows to store nodedef in node's meta 12:51 ecutruin I've been out of touch with programming for a long time.. how does that help? ^-^; 12:54 ecutruin I do really appreciate ya all helping to answer my questions. :3 13:03 Megaf RealBadAngel; 13:03 Megaf 10:03:17: ERROR[main]: [C]: in function 'add_node' 13:03 Megaf 10:03:17: ERROR[main]: /home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../builtin/game/item.lua:276: in function 13:04 Megaf This when I was placing the chests 13:04 Megaf weird 13:04 Megaf RealBadAngel; Yep, that happens when I place the Shared chest 13:07 RealBadAngel meta:set_string("formspec", formspec("")) 13:08 RealBadAngel change the line to meta:set_string("formspec", get_formspec("")) 13:08 ecutruin Oh.. and here's what I mean by connected textures btw.. http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/4826/pch5.png 13:08 ecutruin And I did find https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6735 for minetest, but it seems to be only for glass. 13:13 RealBadAngel because it is using drawtype glasslike_framed 13:13 RealBadAngel and it is only for glass 13:14 RealBadAngel i wonder why author called the mod connected textures in the first place 13:14 RealBadAngel it has nothing to do with that 13:16 * ecutruin snickers. 13:17 ecutruin RealBadAngel, is there a way to get the same effect with non-glass?.. or is there any actual reason its glass only in the first place? 13:17 Megaf RealBadAngel; 0gb.us who made that mod 13:17 Megaf ah 13:17 Megaf never mind 13:17 Megaf by the, I just created the texture to the cobble chest https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/commit/df3dbc92d8eb42b5db60d3b5bdbf521f4f0bab05?diff-0=0-100 13:20 Megaf RealBadAngel; the changed worked 13:20 Megaf Thanks again 13:20 RealBadAngel np 13:26 ecutruin Oh hey, its asie. ^-^ 13:27 asie hi 13:31 Megaf Hi asie 13:42 asie i'm bored 13:45 Jordach hello 13:45 Jordach asie, the guy who made enderstorage appeared here yesterday 13:47 asie chickenbones? 13:47 asie oh god 14:01 Eater4 XD 14:01 ecutruin Jordach, that would be me.. 14:01 ecutruin CB is indeed the developer though. ^-^ 14:01 Eater4 Hey asie 14:02 Jordach ecutruin, i can't remember everything :P 14:02 ecutruin I am essentially it's "creator" though. :3 14:11 ecutruin I am still kinda looking into what I want to do with Minetest right now. ^-^ Thanks again for answering my questions yesterday, Jordach. 14:14 Jordach that choice is yours :3 14:16 w_laenger sell it to minecraft 14:18 asie ecutruin: why did you follow me into here, though? 14:18 w_laenger or sell it as minecraft 14:19 ecutruin asie, I didn't. xD 14:19 ecutruin Just happens that I was shown Minetest again a few days ago. 14:19 ecutruin I've been seeing if it would be a good alternative to MC for me to design content for. 14:20 asie ecutruin: It is in desperate need of good texture artists, indeed 14:20 ecutruin Yeah.. I noticed.. 14:20 ecutruin I've also noticed quite a few of the mods are just duplicates of MC mods. 14:21 asie Of course 14:21 asie Mesegates is a duplicate of RP2 gates, in a way 14:21 sfan5 meow 14:21 sfan5 hi everyone 14:21 sfan5 hi asie 14:21 w_laenger mc mods are free in comparison to mc itself 14:22 w_laenger hi 14:22 asie w_laenger: not all mc mods are free software 14:22 asie some are free software, a few more are open source, but the big ones are closed in all aspects 14:22 asie to anyone but Mojang, as per the EULA 14:22 sfan5 to anyone but Mojang, as per the EULA 14:22 sfan5 uhh.. no 14:22 asie sfan5: yes that's exactly what the EULA says 14:22 sfan5 link? 14:22 asie modders can put any terms on their mods, as long as they are freely downloadable 14:23 asie "If you make any content available on or through our Game, you must give us permission to use, copy, modify and adapt that content. This permission must be irrevocable, and you must also let us permit other people to use, copy, modify and adapt your content. If you don‘t want to give us this permission, do not make content available on or through our Game. Please think carefully before you make any content available, because it will be ma 14:23 asie de public and might even be used by other people in a way you don‘t like." 14:23 asie https://account.mojang.com/documents/minecraft_eula 14:23 asie historically, this was added for Minecraft Realms 14:23 asie but in practice it can apply for just about anything 14:24 Megaf my best mod yet. https://github.com/Megaf/green_screen 14:24 Megaf I know there's a mod like that already, but it does not works like I want 14:25 ecutruin asie, that was specifically denied by Mojang awhile back. It doesn't apply to the actual code of mods. It is more along the lines of Maps built or youtube videos. 14:25 NakedFury Mojang is also going to start watching for servers that hide features or gameplay behind a pay wall 14:25 ecutruin Basically, they need the right to promote their game. 14:25 asie ecutruin: Law is law, though, and the EULA makes no exception for tha 14:25 ecutruin It would NEVER hold up. 14:25 sfan5 ^ 14:25 realtinymonster wut? 14:25 * realtinymonster is puzzled 14:25 sfan5 https://mediacru.sh/0ugQ59NgE-1C 14:25 sfan5 lol 14:26 realtinymonster haha 14:28 w_laenger i=1; while true; do; sudo kill $i; i=(($i+1));done 14:28 Enke sfan5: Very true. 14:29 Jordach pssh 14:29 Jordach i don't even bother with a crashy browser 14:29 Enke "Stop asking me if I want to close the frozen window! If I hit the button, I want it closed! And I don't want Microsoft to have an error report! Just close the window!" 14:29 sfan5 w_laenger: can you stop doing that? 14:29 w_laenger take care that Krock doesn't click on this link 14:29 w_laenger sorry 14:29 ecutruin But I will say, Mojang's issues against modders in the past and this new thing against servers.. has bothered me quite a bit. 14:30 LemonLake Who thinks it'll be possible to make something like an Ableton Launch-pad out of a MaKey-MaKey? 14:30 ecutruin One of the reasons I'm looking at alternatives, a minor reason, but one non the less. 14:30 Jordach Tesseract, ShadowBot isn't here 14:31 w_laenger my testworld: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eATmlH_iYOCj 14:32 * Jordach tries to understand what's going on 14:32 Eater4 Um 14:32 Megaf https://github.com/Megaf/green_screen/tree/master/screenshots 14:32 Eater4 He is being worked on I hear 14:33 Eater4 We have no services at inchra though :( 14:35 CraigyDavi Megaf, would it be possible to use your more_chests mod in replacement for chests_0gb_us mod? If I create aliases will all the stuff from the old chests still be there? 14:36 ecutruin Jordach, whats going on where? :P 14:36 Jordach [15:31:50] my testworld: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eATmlH_iYOCj 14:36 Jordach ^ that 14:36 Jordach i'm going to play some TF2 14:40 nman3600 hi 14:40 w_laenger hi 14:41 w_laenger shall I make a biome out of this? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/7A6TAZZs5Wc2.png https://cdn.mediacru.sh/nsygCekwIk0z.png 14:42 nman3600 Yes maybe call it deadwood 14:42 ecutruin That could make a neat desert area. 14:42 Enke w_laenger: I like it! 14:42 nman3600 w_laenger have you seen my multitest mod? 14:42 ecutruin The function anyways.. it'd definitely need different textures. ^-^ 14:42 w_laenger Enke, thanks; nman3600 no 14:43 nman3600 w_laenger check it out: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9334 i could do with some suggestions 14:44 w_laenger I like the carpet 14:44 nman3600 w_laenger thanks! 14:44 Enke w_laenger: you would have some rare stuff spawn there, like mese ore or something 14:45 w_laenger ok, I thought I could use it as basalt biome 14:47 Enke Yeah, that sounds neat as well. I've a basalt texture. Do you want to see it? 14:48 w_laenger yes 14:48 Enke https://github.com/NANOsoldierEnke/Ores/blob/master/textures/ores_basaltore.png 14:48 Enke It's not very good though. But it's a start 14:50 w_laenger I already made my own brown basalt block but I don't know if I drew it right 14:51 w_laenger nman3600 please add sounds to your mod 14:51 nman3600 w_laenger it's in the new update or planned for the next one i think 14:51 nman3600 i need to get some shears snipping sounds 14:51 w_laenger look at opengameart 14:52 nman3600 Okay 14:53 w_laenger http://opengameart.org/art-search-advanced?keys=knife&field_art_type_tid[]=13&field_art_tags_tid_op=and&field_art_tags_tid=&name=&sort_by=created&sort_order=DESC&items_per_page=24&Collection= 14:54 w_laenger or at http://freesound.org/ 14:58 Calinou look at opengameart 14:58 * Calinou plans to upload textures there soon 14:58 Calinou 2048 × 2048 :p 14:58 w_laenger nice 14:59 Calinou is it useful to upload the 16 × 16 textures I made for Carbone there? 14:59 * nman3600 can't find a good shears sound on opengameart 15:00 Calinou nman3600, the snow stepping sounds can help 15:00 Calinou they're in the default Minetest game 15:00 nman3600 for shears 15:00 Calinou I would suggest playing a snow stepping sound, loudly 15:00 Calinou it sounds similar 15:01 nman3600 how's this for shears? http://freesound.org/people/lmbubec/sounds/118792/ 15:02 w_laenger yes but not for cutting leaves 15:02 nman3600 shears are also for wool 15:03 w_laenger ok 15:03 w_laenger you could use minetest.sound_play at after_dig_node 15:03 nman3600 all i'm finding is a slice that is 3 chops of shears i only want 1 chop 15:05 nman3600 Maybe this? http://freesound.org/people/SoundCollectah/sounds/158469/ 15:05 w_laenger what about using this file? http://freesound.org/people/gpenn76/sounds/235673/ 15:05 nman3600 if you could shorten it down to one snip it'll be perfect 15:05 w_laenger nman3600, I can 15:06 nman3600 w_laenger please! i'll give you credits 15:06 w_laenger I can also crop more sounds out of it 15:06 w_laenger ok 15:06 w_laenger this one? http://freesound.org/people/SoundCollectah/sounds/158469/ 15:07 nman3600 It has like an echo that's annoying 15:07 w_laenger so this one http://freesound.org/people/gpenn76/sounds/235673/ 15:07 nman3600 That's cropped to only a single snip 15:09 nman3600 w_laenger query me with a download link when done 15:09 w_laenger ok 15:09 w_laenger the sound file is very short so you may not be able to hear it with totem 15:10 w_laenger shall I use mono or keep it stereo? 15:11 w_laenger nman3600, shall I use mono or keep it stereo? 15:11 nman3600 w_laenger i'll leave that up to you 15:12 w_laenger ok, minetest.sound_play works positionally if it's mono 15:13 w_laenger but for this sound I use stereo else something would be missing 15:13 LemonLake w_laenger, it's mono and mono only 15:13 w_laenger it's stereo, I downloaded it 15:14 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/AcmguDaYE_c4.jpg and https://cdn.mediacru.sh/07LHaTecqZEY.jpg 15:15 w_laenger I need to check the sound quality 15:16 w_laenger should be good enough 15:16 Calinou game sounds should usually be mono 15:16 Calinou non-positional sounds can be stereo 15:16 Calinou but positional ones must be mono 15:17 w_laenger Calinou, I know nman3600 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous/master/nichtdefinierbar/scissor.ogg 15:17 w_laenger shall every player or only you be able to hear the sound? 15:19 nman3600 w_laenger only you 15:20 w_laenger ok, then stereo is more useful in this case 15:21 LemonLake w_laenger, there is no real need for stereo anyway 15:21 w_laenger there is 15:21 LemonLake all it really does it make the project more bigger. if the sound file has a really noticable difference in stereo, then it's needed 15:21 * realtinymonster saw an ad for a waterproof Sony device... makes no sense, seeing that Sony and waterproof don't go together... 15:21 w_laenger there is a difference 15:21 w_laenger the end part would be quiet with mono 15:22 realtinymonster w_laenger: then monoize the music file 15:22 w_laenger music? 15:22 realtinymonster sou nd 15:22 realtinymonster what ever it is 15:23 Evolykane No Stero? WTF 15:23 w_laenger ...why? 15:23 Evolykane *Stereo 15:23 realtinymonster because that way the sound will not be quiet... 15:23 w_laenger realtinymonster, it shouldn't be quiet 15:24 realtinymonster yeah 15:24 realtinymonster if you monoize it, it will merge the stereo two sides into mono one side with all the sound 15:24 w_laenger realtinymonster, so I'll keep it stereo 15:25 w_laenger I need a link 15:26 realtinymonster w_laenger: audacity.sourceforge.net 15:26 LemonLake w_laenger amp the last part then 15:26 LemonLake +1 realtinymonster for audacity 15:26 realtinymonster yeah 15:26 LemonLake but don't try audacity on linux, it does not work at all 15:26 w_laenger I use audacity 15:26 * Piggybear87 Jams to some R&B and builds a tower. His life "rules"... 15:26 LemonLake w_laenger: amplify the part that goes quiet 15:26 realtinymonster Piggybear87: that sounds amazing 15:27 w_laenger LemonLake, that was a joke, wasn't it? 15:27 Piggybear87 Lmfao. 15:27 LemonLake w_laenger: nein, i do not joke when pissed off 15:27 w_laenger for me it works great on linux 15:27 Megaf CraigyDavi; Yep, they are compatible, just need to create the aliases 15:27 LemonLake for me it crashes about 10 minutes from startup when using some certain slidesr 15:27 LemonLake also, does anyone know a linux msrdp client? 15:28 CraigyDavi Megaf, Thats great! I'll install on my server now 15:28 realtinymonster LemonLake: I know an ARM one :P 15:28 realtinymonster are you arm? 15:28 LemonLake realtinymonster: i believe so 15:29 Megaf CraigyDavi; cool, I have them on my server too 15:29 realtinymonster also, LemonLake, alternative that works better I think: distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Thin+Client 15:30 w_laenger nman3600, currently I'm cropping single sound files 15:30 nman3600 w_laenger take as long as you need 15:30 w_laenger ok 15:30 Evolykane what's the mod with the health bar over the player? 15:30 LemonLake realtinymonster: my school runs a 2012 windows server, and I need to access it 15:31 realtinymonster Thin Client should do the trick 15:31 LemonLake what application for linux would be best to do that with, i know windows has a client built in 15:31 LemonLake aight thanks 15:31 realtinymonster it has RDP stuff built in 15:31 LemonLake 2xthinclientos? 15:31 realtinymonster aye 15:31 LemonLake i have to buy it tho 15:32 realtinymonster LemonLake: or try thinstation? 15:32 realtinymonster IDK 15:33 LemonLake its a boot thing 15:33 realtinymonster yeah 15:33 realtinymonster ;/ 15:33 realtinymonster go get a disk :P 15:33 LemonLake nonono 15:33 LemonLake you don't understand 15:33 LemonLake i need a client FOR linux... 15:34 LemonLake just like the built-in windows one 15:34 Jordach LemonLake, the one that's in Ubuntu supports RDP 15:34 LemonLake where it runs in it's own window 15:34 Megaf CraigyDavi; I'm creating the aliases right now 15:34 LemonLake Jordach: and that would be? 15:34 Jordach http://www.rdesktop.org/ 15:34 realtinymonster brb 15:34 Jordach ^ try that 15:34 LemonLake thanks Jordach 15:34 nman3600 Evolykane it's in carbone 15:34 Jordach http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/7-of-the-best-linux-remote-desktop-clients-716346 15:35 Megaf well, I ran out of time, gtg, cya 15:36 LemonLake this linux is filled with libraries >.< 15:38 Calinou ok, then stereo is more useful in this case 15:38 Calinou the sound should play to all players _nearby_ 15:38 Calinou like a bow sound or a punching sound would be (sadly, digging sounds don't play to all players currently) 15:39 Calinou so… mono 15:39 Calinou mono is also a smaller file size 15:39 LemonLake Jordach: can I direct an rdp to it? 15:39 w_laenger stereo can be converted to mono but not mono to stereo 15:40 LemonLake w_laenger: mono can be converted to stereo but it will sound exactly the same, it's just duplicating the sound channel and halving the volume of both 15:41 w_laenger LemonLake, I know, so at first I'll use stereo 15:41 LemonLake w_laenger: what's wrong with mono? just amplify the end, you're wasting file space 15:42 Calinou file space is important in Minetest: most servers don't use remote media 15:42 LemonLake ^ 15:42 Calinou to speed up join times, have small files, compress 'em 15:42 w_laenger pfft 15:42 Calinou OptiPNG is your friend for textures 15:42 w_laenger this small sound... 15:43 sfan5 LemonLake: halving the volume of both would make it quieter 15:44 LemonLake sfan5: actually, taking into consideration how modern headphones now work, yes correct. 15:44 LemonLake w_laenger: what is the size of the stereo file, and what is the size of the mono file? 15:45 w_laenger LemonLake, let me compare 15:45 LemonLake now i cant sleep without drawing a comic of build environments going insane... 15:45 LemonLake just because of "checking whether build environment is sane... yes 15:45 LemonLake " 15:45 w_laenger 6.1 and 4.9 KB 15:46 LemonLake believe it or not, that's actually a big difference 15:46 w_laenger additionally to the 52 KB of the other scissor sounds 15:46 LemonLake scissor sounds??? 15:46 LemonLake mono, definitely. 15:46 LemonLake if that's all it is 15:46 w_laenger nman3600, https://github.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous/tree/master/nichtdefinierbar/aggressive_scissors 15:47 LemonLake for something that small, you're not gonna want to waste a kb on making it stereo 15:47 LemonLake half the people aren't even gonna notice the sound 15:48 w_laenger the ambience mod uses more than 10000 KB 15:48 w_laenger so... 15:48 LemonLake yes, but nobody uses the ambience mod 15:48 LemonLake or so i heard on irc 15:48 LemonLake correct me if i'm wrong 15:48 w_laenger I do 15:48 LemonLake w_laenger: a scissor sound is literally less than a second 15:49 LemonLake you're wasting an extra kb making it stereo, and considering you have multiple that's just overkill 15:49 w_laenger and the default sounds weight 310 KB 15:49 LemonLake yes but users already have default sounds and do not need to download them from the server 15:49 w_laenger yes... 15:49 LemonLake not everyone has mbps internet, because a lot of people live in family houses 15:50 LemonLake they don't wanna be sitting there waiting for scissor sounds to download 15:50 w_laenger how can they play at VaE's server? 15:50 Calinou yes, but nobody uses the ambience mod 15:50 Calinou some servers do; the sounds are ultra-annoying 15:50 LemonLake so maybe stick to two or three, and keep them low 15:50 LemonLake +Calinou 15:50 Calinou immersive ambience is annoying, the end 15:50 Calinou if you have such a mod, provide a way for clients to disable the sounds 15:51 LemonLake 10mb for ambience sounds? 15:51 Calinou LemonLake, I'm sitting there waiting for 36 MB of textures to upload :( 15:51 LemonLake whoa, what is this, a STEAM game? 15:51 w_laenger as kaeza wrote, you can use your own scissors sound file that this one doesn't need to become downloaded 15:51 LemonLake i seriously think you should just stick to two or three scissor sounds, try to keep them at less than 5kb 15:51 LemonLake and mono 15:51 Piggybear87 What's the smallest size a server's HDD should be? 15:51 LemonLake nobody is really gonna notice the difference of one tiny bit, and if it goes quiet just amplify it. simple as 15:52 LemonLake Piggybear87: depends on the os. the average os uses about 10-16gb of space just for itself 15:52 Calinou LemonLake, a Steam game would be 10 GB of hats 15:52 w_laenger I notice the difference and wouldn't use this scissors 15:52 LemonLake Calinou: but hats are important, scissor sounds are not 15:52 LemonLake w_laenger: for the last time just amplify it 15:52 Calinou LemonLake, most GNU/Linux distributions require about 10 GB to work well, only, compared to Windows' 15-25 15:52 Piggybear87 For Lubuntu. If I can't use a 20Gb then I have to take the slave out of this one. 15:52 LemonLake Calinou: Hence 'average' 15:52 w_laenger LemonLake, and for the first time? both work together 15:52 Calinou Piggybear87, a Minetest installation with binaries and source is 50 MB to 100 MB; a world will easily go above 1 GB for a server one 15:53 Calinou (tip: use a mod to limit world depth or size, if you want a smaller world size) 15:53 * Jordach has the winning amout of space 15:53 LemonLake okay, after trying 8 different rdp clients i cannot get a single one to work 15:53 realtinymonster Calinou: I had linux install on about 300mb 15:53 Jordach 20mb for Jukebox 15:53 Jordach except - every song is 56kbps 15:53 Jordach and mono 15:53 LemonLake so i guess i have to switch to windows to do this one little thing 15:53 LemonLake kbps? you stream them? 15:53 Piggybear87 So, 10-15Gb for the OS, and that would leave 5-10 for a server. Is that enough? 15:53 Calinou realtinymonster, I'm talking about full distributions here, like Fedora 15:54 realtinymonster LemonLake: why not switch to doors? 15:54 realtinymonster lol 15:54 Calinou Piggybear87, yeah 15:54 realtinymonster realtinymonster: me too 15:54 Calinou and 1 GB of swap 15:54 LemonLake Piggybear87: i suppose the minimum would be 32gb, however i've heard of people using raspberry pi's which mostly come with an 8gb sd 15:54 w_laenger LemonLake, of course you are allowed to make a pull request there to change the sound https://github.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous/blob/master/nichtdefinierbar/scissor.ogg 15:54 Calinou LemonLake, why 32 GB? if the OS is 10 GB (at worst) and the world 5 GB (at worst)? 15:55 LemonLake Calinou: i did mention raspberry pis which can bring the minimum down to 8gb 15:55 Piggybear87 Sweet, I don't have to rip the slave out of this machine. :) 15:55 realtinymonster I had a 4GB hdd and I managed to fit full ubuntu with minetest and still have about 1gb left 15:55 w_laenger I'll remove Getting started 15:57 nman3600 ugh why is it always me that can't get downloaded maps to work 15:58 LemonLake nman3600: tried doing it properly? 15:58 nman3600 wait nevermind 15:58 LemonLake yeah you better 15:59 nman3600 is there a way to move the map into minetest_next 15:59 LemonLake you make me mind and i will end you 15:59 LemonLake nman3600: that could cause conflicts 16:00 w_laenger LemonLake, you can compare the stereo and mono file by yourself: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous/master/nichtdefinierbar/scissor.ogg https://raw.githubusercontent.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous/master/nichtdefinierbar/scissor_mono.ogg 16:01 MechMechanic hello 16:02 realtinymonster hi 16:02 nman3600 Hello MechMechanic 16:03 MechMechanic I have not checked out this project in a longgg time. how is it going? 16:03 Calinou MechMechanic, fine 16:03 Calinou when did you last check it? 16:05 Eater4 !up minetest.crabdance.com 16:05 MinetestBot minetest.crabdance.com:30000 is up (626ms) 16:05 LemonLake crabdance nts nts nts nts 16:05 MechMechanic its been at least a year it seems 16:06 Eater4 lol 16:06 Calinou MechMechanic, well: see the changelog: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog 16:06 Exio4 i'd like to know why only 1 gb of swap 16:06 Calinou Exio4, no need for more in 2014 16:06 MechMechanic thank you, Calinou 16:06 Exio4 i have 16gb of swap, the few times i ACTUALLY used swap, it saved me 16:06 Calinou you probably don't want to get slowed down to a crawl too much 16:07 Calinou better crash than spend 30 minutes in slowness hell 16:07 Exio4 "crash" 16:07 Calinou MechMechanic, many new subgames have been developed since you were away, like Carbone: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9033 16:07 Exio4 i started "too many VMs" 16:07 Calinou (minetest_game is frozen now: no changes are made to it, except bug fixes) 16:07 Exio4 not too many, but i had 3 VMs and then started firefox browsing 16:07 Exio4 ended using more than 12gb 16:07 Exio4 what would have crashed there? 16:08 Exio4 the system isn't dumb, if you think it is, tell me why 16:08 Exio4 because it uses the swap for apps that aren't used? 16:08 Exio4 and lets you actually have WAY more cache than you'd think you could have? 16:09 Exio4 i'm using 0MB of swap, normally, sometimes it is a few GBs, and you know, i don't notice slowness; because it sent to swap shit i don't use and has been running for a few days in background 16:10 Exio4 and those few GBs in ram that are now "free", are used for cache 16:10 Exio4 and the actual workload is faster :) 16:12 * Jordach doesn't do swapfiles on Linux 16:15 Megaf_ CraigyDavi: mese_chests should be 100% compatible with 9gb_us's chests now. 16:16 Megaf_ Can anyone please test? https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/blob/master/aliases.lua 16:16 CraigyDavi Thanks, that's great :) 16:17 sfan5 I don't have swap because linux even fills it up when there is plenty RAM available. 16:17 Megaf_ sfan5: That's the idea 16:18 Megaf_ the swap on Linux is much different than the pagefile on windows 16:18 Calinou Carbone: Added hay blocks, crafted with 9 wheat. 16:18 Megaf_ the Linux Kernel will alway try to put old caches on SWAP 16:18 Megaf_ and it will always cache and buffer as much as it can 16:18 sfan5 I'm sure you can disable that 16:18 sfan5 but whatever 16:18 sfan5 I have 8GB 16:18 sfan5 that is enough 16:19 Megaf_ So the more swap you have, the more cache and buffer the kernel will be able to do 16:19 PilzAdam sfan5, you can change the swappiness 16:19 LemonLake gb 16:20 Megaf_ and by the way, you can change how often the Kernel will use the swap 16:20 Megaf_ as PilzAdam just said 16:20 PilzAdam sfan5, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Swap#Swapnutzung-einstellen 16:20 Megaf_ you can have a swap, and configure it to never use it, unless you run out of memory 16:20 LemonLake swappiness 16:20 LemonLake i love it 16:21 Megaf_ I have a computer at home with 16 GB of swap 16:21 Megaf_ this allows my system to alway have plenty of memory available 16:21 realtinymonster Megaf_: I usually only do 1 GB 16:22 realtinymonster or maybe 2 gb if i'm feeling like being giving 16:22 * realtinymonster has a quite small HDD 16:22 Calinou a computer doesn't have feelings, it doesn't care if you feed it more swap 16:23 realtinymonster Calinou: lol, I know this, all programmers do ("Work computer!") 16:23 Megaf_ just never use flash memory for swap 16:25 realtinymonster damn, my mouse is dieing 16:28 realtinymonster There's a message in the grass! https://mediacru.sh/v3wLnr1-txhw 16:28 sfan5 just never use flash memory for swap 16:28 sfan5 this is the worst thing you can do 16:33 Exio4 Jordach: 16gb swap partition here 16:33 Exio4 [13:17:26] I don't have swap because linux even fills it up when there is plenty RAM available. 16:33 Exio4 tweak swapiness, i prefer having old shit to go there 16:33 sfan5 Exio4: don't bother saying anything, I've already been enlighted 16:34 Exio4 -/+ buffers/cache: 3637 8351 16:34 Exio4 Swap: 16383 0 16383 16:34 Megaf_ well done Exio4 16:34 Exio4 12gb of ram, 16gb of swa 16:34 Megaf_ [13:21:04] I have a computer at home with 16 GB of swap 16:34 Exio4 +p 16:35 Exio4 if i install more ram, i'll be adding more swap, at least enough for hibernating if i even need it 16:35 Exio4 after i get the pair of 2tb hdds, i'll be setting up a mirror RAID :D 16:35 Megaf_ once I read that a good amount of swap is the double of RAM you have 16:35 Exio4 nah, not _that_ much with today's ram amounts 16:35 Megaf_ I believe it`s because this way you can use a swap as swap and still be able to hibernate with no problems 16:36 Exio4 the swapiness is based on ram usage btw 16:36 Exio4 not swap's size, afaik 16:38 Exio4 unless you give your system 500 GB of swap (also known as you're fucking crazy) you won't have problems 16:39 Amaz So, buying a 1tb disk to use entirely for swap isn't a good idea? 16:39 Megaf_ Amaz: it could be if you need lots of virtual machines or do a make -j 1000 16:39 Calinou Amaz, of course not 16:40 Calinou disks are insanely slow; SSDs are very slow; RAM is slow, in comparison to CPU cache. 16:40 Exio4 you'd be crazy if you do that, your cpu would die :P 16:40 Amaz I thought so! 16:40 Megaf_ the rule is, have as much of RAM you can 16:40 Exio4 what about registers 16:40 Exio4 they're faster than CPU cache 16:40 Exio4 the* 16:40 Calinou Megaf_, as needed* 16:42 cx384 hi 16:42 Megaf_ Hi cx384 16:43 Piggybear87 Where the eff is "desktop sharing preferences"? 16:43 Megaf_ Piggybear87: you want to share you screen? 16:44 Piggybear87 Yes, permanently with my other machine. 16:44 Megaf_ Piggybear87: what OS are you using? 16:44 Piggybear87 Lubuntu 14.04 16:45 Megaf_ oh 16:45 Megaf_ so I have no idea 16:45 Megaf_ !g google 16:45 MinetestBot Megaf_: http://www.google.com/ 16:45 Piggybear87 Ah. Anyone else? 16:45 Piggybear87 I have googled. 16:45 Megaf_ !g share desktop vnc ubuntu 16:45 MinetestBot Megaf_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC 16:45 Megaf_ !g remote desktop vnc ubuntu 16:45 MinetestBot Megaf_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC 16:45 Megaf_ Piggybear87: there you go 16:46 Piggybear87 I didn't want to use VNC because I would have to accept on the other machine, and with no mouse keyboard and monitor that would be hard. 16:46 Megaf_ no, you don't have to accept anything 16:47 Megaf_ you are not on windows... 16:47 Megaf_ you just need to set a password 16:47 Megaf_ the VNC server will alway be running 16:47 Piggybear87 So I would need to install VNC on both machines, right? 16:47 Jordach you only need a VNC client 16:47 LemonLake oo fontwork 16:48 Piggybear87 What about the other machine? 16:49 Megaf_ Piggybear87: why don't you read that link? 16:49 Megaf_ Hello pony_john 16:49 Calinou hi john_minetest 16:50 Piggybear87 I don't get it... 16:58 Piggybear87 That's over the internet, not locally. Any other links? 16:58 m5 Hello everybody 16:59 Piggybear87 And also, what about a power failure? I will have to swap monitor, kb and mouse again... 16:59 Exio4 you make a daemon that autostarts the vnc server 16:59 * Megaf gives up 16:59 Exio4 some headless machine that is running in my lan has a vnc server on autostart 16:59 Exio4 it doesn't start X11 16:59 Exio4 (it is a "server for people that uses windows" basically, they wanted a gui for doing the stuff, so i let them have a gui :D) 17:00 Piggybear87 I don't know how to do that. I just started using Linux not even a month ago. 17:02 Piggybear87 Can anyone give me a how-to from a newbies prospective? 17:02 Calinou perspective* : 17:02 m5 i can 17:02 Piggybear87 OK, how do I do it? 17:05 * Piggybear87 waits. 17:05 Calinou try a more general channel – your distribution's channel, such as #ubuntu 17:05 Calinou or ##linux 17:05 Calinou this is #minetest after all :) 17:06 Piggybear87 I know, but they're dicks over there. They expect everyone to just know how to do stuff. 17:07 Calinou not necessarily 17:07 Calinou I'd still try asking 17:08 EvergreenTree Piggybear87: I know 17:09 Piggybear87 Would SSH be easier? 17:09 EvergreenTree I actually prefer asking stuff here first. :P 17:09 EvergreenTree ? 17:09 EvergreenTree what do you mean would SSH be easier? 17:09 Piggybear87 I just need to launch stuff from that machine, I don't need to see it. 17:09 Calinou SSH is mostly command line; but you can use the -X switch, which works fine locally (but very heavy for usage over the Internet) 17:10 Calinou the graphical applications will appear on your desktop 17:10 EvergreenTree Oh, sorry, I didn't see the context 17:10 Calinou try using ssh -X, then type “geany file.txt” with Geany installed, you'll see Geany appearing on your desktop ;) 17:10 Calinou but it'll edit the file.txt file on the server 17:10 Piggybear87 So, it would be like VNC? 17:11 LemonLake pretty much 17:12 LemonLake but again, it's mostly command-line 17:12 LemonLake so if you prefer commandline, ssh is the way to go 17:12 Piggybear87 What would be the EXACT command to launch minetestserver like that? Also the command to move mods,worlds, etc over there. 17:13 m5 Calinou, ssh -X ?? 17:14 Calinou yes 17:14 Calinou Piggybear87, to move files from your PC to the other one, install openssh-server on your PC, then use the “scp” command 17:15 Calinou I think it'd be something like scp user@127.0.0.1:file.txt user@192.168.1.55:file.txt but I'm not sure 17:15 Calinou (replace 192.168.1.55 with the other PC's internal IP) 17:15 Calinou it's been years since I last used scp 17:15 Piggybear87 I wish I had another monitor, keyboard and mouse, it would be a lot easier... Or a KVM. 17:16 Megaf !title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9493#p144638 17:16 MinetestBot Megaf: [Mod] Fire - Yet Another Non spreadable fire. - Minetest Forums 17:18 m5 OldCoder, It was very effective to change the name back to MarkTwain from 0 players with no serverlist to about 3 with it and now 10 using the old name 17:19 Piggybear87 I could use something like "Sharemouse", but it doesn't share video, only mouse and keyboard. 17:19 m5 Piggybear87, Synergy I think 17:20 Piggybear87 Smae thing, no video support. 17:22 OldCoder m5, kk 17:22 OldCoder m5, I made a custom Windows client 17:23 OldCoder Should start most worlds instantly; or less than a minute 17:23 m5 Cool 17:23 m5 Setting up Anope atm 17:23 OldCoder Piggybear87, m5 If either of you knows DS_ reassure him that we hope to fix things 17:23 OldCoder He seems to be a concerned Landrush player 17:25 Piggybear87 I don't think I know him, but if I see him, I will tell him. 17:31 Megaf !title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9494#p144640 17:31 MinetestBot Megaf: [Mod] green_screen - Minetest Forums 17:32 Piggybear87 The only software KVM's I can fine are actually KM's. This blows... 17:32 Piggybear87 And I don't have the money for an actual KVM switch... 17:34 Calinou Megaf, seen it, moved 17:34 Calinou you're doing your lists wrong 17:34 Megaf Calinou: not wrong, that's not bbcode 17:34 Calinou fixed them 17:34 Megaf ok 17:34 Calinou well, I'll fix the titles too 17:35 Megaf Calinou: Thanks 17:35 Calinou they aren't valid bbcode either 17:35 Calinou no problem 17:35 Calinou [size=150] makes for good headers, optionally bold 17:35 Piggybear87 Or are Windows only or cost money... 17:35 Megaf Calinou: I will post one more mod today, will create the topic as you fixed those I just posted 17:35 rubenwardy Hi all! 17:35 Megaf Hi rubenwardy 17:36 Megaf I'm turning more_chests in a modpack, so you can enable and disable any chest you want. 17:38 Calinou done for both 17:39 Megaf Thank you! :) 17:39 Calinou no problem 17:40 Megaf you moving the fire mod to releases too? 17:40 Calinou fixed topic titles 17:40 Calinou will do 17:40 Calinou done ;) 17:40 Megaf Thanks again, they look much better indeed 17:43 nman3600 m5: Are you active? 17:43 m5 yes 17:44 nman3600 m5 and old friend wants to say hello on your server 17:44 realtinymonster :O 17:44 * realtinymonster discovered a really odd glitch in MC 17:45 nman3600 an old friend* 17:46 nman3600 m5: well? 17:46 realtinymonster dadadadaddadadadaadadaadadadadadadddaaadadadddadddaaadadaaadddadaddadaddadaaadadddadadaaadaddaddad < m5 17:51 Jordach realtinymonster, i can one up that 17:51 Jordach you should ask chainlynx 17:51 Megaf Hai Vazon, RBA fixed more_chests :) 17:51 Megaf I'm turning it on a modpack right now 17:52 Vazon fixed it??? what was wrong ( broken code)? 17:53 Megaf Vazon: lots of things 17:53 Megaf this is one of them https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/commit/e48cd776d25f0c3ad7f8a066785c139f96c6476e 17:54 Calinou renewed many textures in Carbone, like book stuff and gold stuff 17:55 Megaf And this was another thing https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/commit/314fd4e90ee161e30641422e2c8e85b2d96679c5 17:55 Vazon Hey, was on the right track, but that is code is beyong me :3 17:55 Megaf Vazon: and I updated all chests textures, but the wifi one 17:55 Vazon great, i used different textures on my server up i saw them and they look great 17:55 Megaf Vazon: do a git pull 17:55 Jordach Calinou, this isn't a library ;) 17:56 Megaf Calinou: I'm turning this https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests into a modpack, should I create another branch for that, or another repo, or just change everything in place? 17:57 Calinou change everything in place 17:57 Calinou it'll work as-is for people who update 17:57 Calinou have a modpack.txt inside the root directory 17:58 Calinou (can contain anything, ideally something informative) 17:58 Megaf Ok, I'm creating a branch just to review everything 18:04 Megaf oh dear, I did git commit -a and it opened a text editor thing, how to I save and quit? 18:06 asl press :q! 18:08 Megaf thanks asl 18:08 Calinou depends on editor 18:08 Megaf I did Esq then :wq or qw 18:08 Megaf [15:06:33] Megaf: :wqMozilla/5.0 (iPod; CPU iPhone OS 5_1_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 20:18 VanessaE Megaf: I don't know. probably not. 20:19 VanessaE (it won't break, I don't think, but pipeworks won't use it) 20:19 VanessaE I'm sure it could be adapted though 20:19 VanessaE see compat.lua in pipeworks. 20:19 VanessaE in there is code that redefines default chests and furnaces to make them work with pipeworks 20:19 VanessaE the same sort of code may work for your mod also. 20:20 Megaf Ok, I will take a look at compat.lua 20:21 jp__ VanessaE : https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=9496 20:24 realtinymonster Drae: you need a iOS client? 20:24 Megaf jp__: that's insane 20:24 jp__ Thanks :D 20:24 Drae Ya 20:24 realtinymonster try IRC999 or IRChon 20:24 realtinymonster both amazing 20:24 Megaf IRChon is better 20:24 realtinymonster I use IRC999 more 20:24 realtinymonster Megaf: not 20:25 Drae Okay I'll try those. 20:25 realtinymonster its UI is SHIT 20:25 Megaf but I rather use Colloquy 20:25 VanessaE jp__: niiiiiiiice 20:25 jp__ Enjoy it ;) 20:25 realtinymonster ^ Drae that one too 20:25 Megaf Colloquy is actually the most Apple like IRC client you will get in iOS 20:25 Megaf is what I use 20:25 Megaf used to use* 20:26 VanessaE jp__: what, no 504 Battery Drive? 20:26 Megaf now I use Quassel Client on Mac, Linux, Windows and Android and run Quassel Core on my desktop (Debian) 20:26 jp__ VanessaE : not found on MC repository :( 20:26 VanessaE so build it :) 20:27 jp__ But there WTC and Statue of Liberty, as requested ;) 20:27 jp__ there are* 20:28 Drae Monster should I put a # on front of it when I put the host name? 20:28 jp__ Next master project : Fantasia. 20:30 VanessaE jp__: your statue of liberty is messed up 20:30 VanessaE you've got her flipped horizontally. 20:30 jp__ No, she is vertically. 20:31 VanessaE no, I mean, 20:31 asl the wrong hand is holding the torch? 20:31 VanessaE you have her left hand raised 20:31 jp__ The back is messed by his MC exporter, I saw that. 20:31 VanessaE but it's her RIGHT hand that should be raised. 20:32 jp__ I can't fix that, the MC schematic is like that. 20:32 jp__ I filled the back and put a pixel art to compensate 20:33 VanessaE ehm... 20:33 VanessaE you'll piss off a few new yorkers if you don't fix this :) 20:34 jp__ Hey, it's a french gift from my ancestors to new yorkers ;) 20:34 VanessaE heh 20:34 Amaz Great! And you are repeating that gift! 20:34 jp__ Exactly :) 20:35 jp__ The MC buildings are made by a french player too. 20:35 Amaz Great! 20:35 Amaz So, you are like shipping it over! 20:36 jp__ shipping it over ? 20:37 Amaz From MC to MT like from France to USA 20:39 * VanessaE pokes at kaeza for signs of life 20:39 Drae :-/ 20:41 VanessaE kaeza: I'm running clearobjects on the servers now, could you investigate what is causing signs_lib to create (or leave behind) duplicate entities? there seems to be an awful lot of them for so relatively few signs. Sapier discovered this: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=34xnjvb&s=8#.U5i-jR_Hn0N and this: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=j0ac5x&s=8#.U5i-jx_Hn0N (note the floating ones). They're whited-out here for testing. 20:42 VanessaE (whited-out is how he discovered their existence) 20:43 kaeza hmmm 20:44 Vazon VanessaE, Im stumped on a dropondie problem. When a player dies and the items drop theres tools repair them selves 20:44 VanessaE Vazon: idk about that. 20:44 Vazon mhmmmm 20:45 Piggybear87 Vazon, What's with the sounds? I was on earlier and got the shat scared out of me. Lol. 20:45 VanessaE kaeza: for a while now I've also had issues with signs leaving behind orphans when you try to edit an old sign 20:45 VanessaE eg. the old text stays there when the new text appears 20:46 Vazon sounds??? lol 20:46 VanessaE it's like the sign loses the handle to its text entity 20:46 Piggybear87 On your server, like birds and bats, water, etc. 20:47 Piggybear87 A bird squawked and my speakers were up and it startled me. 20:47 Megaf Bye 20:47 Vazon xD that is the ambeince mod 20:48 Vazon that mod has been in for a few weeks now 20:48 Piggybear87 I know to check my volume before I log on now. 20:48 Piggybear87 I guess my speakers were down yesterday then. 20:50 Vazon ya 20:57 VanessaE kaeza: sorry to be a pest :( 20:57 kaeza no probs 20:58 kaeza weird thing is I see nothing that could suggest leaving entities around 20:58 VanessaE yeah, neither did I when I looked just a bit ago. 20:58 VanessaE sapier: *poke* 20:58 kaeza the signs remove all "signs:text" entities in the area on update 20:59 kaeza unless it's entity duplication again... 20:59 sapier yes? 21:00 paramat hi, anyone else get a frozen game, temporary black screen, frozen computer on 2nd press of f5? with latest 0.4.9dev. just happened to me for the 3rd time 21:00 VanessaE sapier: see above 21:01 VanessaE it's gotta be an engine bug. I think the engine is screwing up the entities' handles/names on reload 21:02 sapier why? 21:03 sapier if it'd skrew things up why should the texture size be the only one kept? 21:05 VanessaE sapier: I wish I had a better answer :P 21:05 sapier lets see if they're gona after cleanup 21:08 kaeza o wait 21:08 VanessaE kaeza: what? 21:10 kaeza I see all those signs on your screenshot are just regular wall signs (i.e. not yard signs, not fence-attached signs, etc) 21:12 kaeza the offset for the wall signs' text is {x = 0, y = 0.15, z = 0.399} 21:13 kaeza hmm 21:14 VanessaE yeah? 21:18 kaeza eh nvm 21:21 VanessaE sapier: clearobjects is finished and all of the servers I ran it on have been restarted 21:22 VanessaE only FreeForAll and Creative remain, and they each have a couple of players active so I'll leave them be 21:23 kaeza Jordach, jdukebox/#1 21:23 Jordach what have you done now 21:23 kaeza https://github.com/Jordach/jdukebox/pull/1 21:24 Jordach donesies 21:24 kaeza >3 hours ago 21:24 kaeza stupid thunderbird didn't notify -_- 21:24 kaeza aaaand it crashed now 21:25 VanessaE sapier, kaeza: profiler says there are now two objects (both of which I guess are players). 21:25 VanessaE *punches a sign, text appears* ---> number of objects, 3. 21:26 Jordach kaeza, dat refactor 21:26 VanessaE *punches three more signs, three more text objects appear* --> number of objects, 7 (but that's because another player logged in) 21:26 sapier yes I'm in 21:26 VanessaE *punches 10 more signs* --> num objects, 17. 21:27 VanessaE aannnnnnd I accidentally dug a sign and erased its contents :P 21:27 sapier framerate already drops 21:27 VanessaE 31 objects visible at the spawn now. 21:28 VanessaE 37. All of the spawn's signs are turned on now. 21:28 VanessaE would be 38 if I weren't such a klutz. :P 21:28 VanessaE my fps is far higher now than it was before (mid to high 30's versus low 20's) 21:29 sapier yes I'm at 9 -10 fps too but I was at 11-12 before you started punching 21:29 sapier and before clean I was at 4-6 21:30 VanessaE but you're using a tablet. 21:30 * VanessaE tries hers. 21:30 VanessaE oops, can't. already uninstalled that last build. 21:31 * VanessaE reinstalls it 21:33 VanessaE sure enough, I get a higher fps at spawn now 21:33 VanessaE 2 versus "0". 21:33 kaeza Jordach, <3 Eastern Feeling 21:34 kaeza VanessaE, I'm still seeing 1-2 objects depending whether there's a sign or not 21:34 VanessaE kaeza: players are objects too I guess 21:35 VanessaE or wait, I guess I'm misreading that 21:35 kaeza yeah, sign + me 21:35 VanessaE sapier: do entities respect the view range? I don't think they do. 21:35 sapier << trying to joing using a 600mhz single core device 21:35 kaeza lol 21:35 VanessaE sapier: also what's the minimum view range on a tablet build? 21:36 sapier joined! 21:36 VanessaE I see you 21:36 VanessaE wait 21:36 VanessaE what is a "simple object" according to the F6 profiler? 21:37 sapier drawtime 530ms 21:40 VanessaE sapier: what's the minimum view range on a tablet build, and what's a "simple object" according to the F6 profiler display? 21:42 sapier 20 nodes min 21:42 sapier 50 max 21:42 VanessaE ok 21:44 VanessaE sapier: I'm gonna turn the other signs around the spawn back on now 21:45 sapier ok lets se where we're gonna end up 21:55 realtinymonster So! 21:55 realtinymonster i'm bored 21:55 VanessaE sapier: ok, that's as many as I know about and can find. after much flying around, 191 objects are visible to my client from the spawn, with a view range of 84 and a FPS of 28. 21:56 VanessaE which means two things: 1, there aren't nearly as many signs as you thought :P and 2, the view range does not properly account for the rendering load caused by entities 21:56 VanessaE because my view range should have foreshortened itself a little bit to get me back into the 40+ FPS range 21:57 VanessaE (that's with my PC of course) 21:57 realtinymonster Oh wow 21:58 sapier my tablet is still at about 6fps 21:58 realtinymonster I found a survey site that actually recommends using FakeNameGeneratior 21:58 realtinymonster LOL\ 21:58 Jordach kaeza, i have a higher resolution version 21:59 sapier but those orphaned items seem to be gone 22:00 VanessaE sapier: indeed. now, what about the "simple objects" question? 22:01 sapier no idea :-) 22:01 VanessaE I ask because I wonder if we're using the wrong "mode" for the signs' entities 22:02 VanessaE if there's a "simple" object that would take less GPU/CPU time to render, could we use it, etc etc. 22:06 Drae Ugh :( I'm sick. 22:08 VanessaE sowwy :( 22:08 Drae I hate being sick 22:09 Drae Well I'll be afk playing sniper shooter >:) bust me some heads 22:13 Jordach Sniper Elite V2 FTW 22:17 VanessaE ~seen sdzen 22:17 VanessaE !seen sdzen 22:17 MinetestBot VanessaE: sdzen was last seen at 2014-02-22 03:58:24 UTC on #minetest 22:17 VanessaE feh. 22:17 VanessaE gonna force me to fix this myself eh. 22:21 Drae Back :) 22:23 VanessaE hm, actually I don't have to fix it. just didn't know what tool to use. 22:25 Drae ;( 22:27 Drae !seen ChubbaBubba 22:27 MinetestBot Drae: Sorry, I haven't seen chubbabubba around. 22:27 Drae ~seen ChubbaBubba 22:36 * Jordach tries to poke RBA 22:36 Jordach ~tell RealBadAngel dude - i've got a meshnode waiting for youy 22:36 Jordach DAMMIT 22:36 Jordach !tell RealBadAngel dude - i've got a meshnode waiting for you 22:36 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when RealBadAngel is around 22:37 Jordach :3 22:37 * Jordach pats MinetestBot 22:39 Jordach evening paramat 22:41 paramat more info on f5 freeze: happens on 2nd or 3rd press of f5 when flying, latest 049dev. game freezes, screen goes black temporarily, computer frozen except mouse 22:41 paramat o/ 22:42 paramat verbose debug looks normal but perhaps i'll post it in the forum 22:43 VanessaE paramat: strange, I've been using that function and it seems to work fine here 22:43 Jordach paramat, i'm heading into the city on Saturday to watch X-Men 22:45 paramat hm, could be my dodgy old laptop. Jordach warning :) i am a bit antisocial ;) 22:46 Jordach lol 22:46 VanessaE paramat: but everyone loves ya anyway 22:46 Jordach i'm worse, i live in my corner - and am apparently incapable of visiting the job centre weekly 22:46 Jordach in fact, i could probably give you the exact GPS location of where i'm sitting 22:56 Jordach VanessaE, are those signs well hung by players? :D 22:57 Jordach or are they like torches, don't abide by gravity 22:57 Jordach considering ceiling torches irl are impossible without affixing them :D 22:58 VanessaE Jordach: wat 22:58 VanessaE oh, no they don't respect attached-node etc 22:58 Jordach i was reading your post about upside down signs ;P 22:58 VanessaE (and there's no "hanging node" feature either) 22:58 Jordach and about how they hung ;P 22:59 VanessaE no, not upside-down, hung 22:59 VanessaE as if dangling from chains 22:59 Jordach although i'm probably swapping my dictionary defs again 22:59 VanessaE look on Survival, at "Ye Old Smithye" shop 22:59 VanessaE that one is a hanging sign 22:59 VanessaE or in the travelnet exchange there, the sign above the registration desk 23:01 Drae Hi guys :/ 23:02 Drae Anyone? 23:03 Jordach hm? 23:04 Drae $.$ Mr.Krabs 23:04 VanessaE hi 23:05 Drae Money money money! 23:09 Drae Afk guys. 23:12 Piggybear87 |.| |.| <--THAT is Mr. Krabs, Drae. 23:14 Piggybear87 Hello ecutruin, did you figure out what you needed yesterday? 23:14 Jordach evening? ecutruin 23:14 ecutruin Piggybear87, eh I figured out a lot. ^-^ 23:15 Piggybear87 Sweet! I look forward to some new mods :) 23:15 * Jordach does too :D 23:15 Jordach kinda bit stale on the modding front :P 23:15 ecutruin Seems the engine does have some work before its 'exactly' what I need, but that I should be able to do a 'lot' of what I want with creative use of the available features. 23:15 * Piggybear87 has plenty, but need MOAR!!!!! 23:16 Jordach ecutruin, what we need is an infusion of cocaine + meth + a blender + smoothie = mad hatter level ideas 23:16 ecutruin Jordach, I noticed that as well. ^-^; It'll be a bit for me to really get a handle on it all, but hopefully I can do some interesting things. 23:16 Piggybear87 Jordach, Whoa... 23:16 Jordach sweet 23:17 Jordach i swear IRC just locked up 23:17 Jordach well Quassel* 23:17 ecutruin One thing I know though is that I'll likely need to essentially remake Minetest default (I can do that right?), as if I'm going to do stuff, I might as well start from scratch(ish). 23:18 Jordach ecutruin, you can 23:18 Piggybear87 Open source for a reason. :) 23:18 Jordach there are other subgames for the engine, such as Minitest, Nodetopia, Big Freaking Digh 23:18 * ecutruin nods. 23:18 Jordach all with different goals in mind 23:18 VanessaE and Dreambuilder ;) 23:19 Jordach VanessaE, why'd you think BFD attempts to only have one method of doing things rather than the infinite possible combos 23:20 VanessaE heh 23:21 Jordach because - Technic's multiple ores, Moreores, Weird Ores, and the list continues 23:21 ecutruin So Jordach, you do the Technic mod right? 23:22 VanessaE I like having multiple ways to do stufff 23:22 VanessaE -f 23:22 Jordach ecutruin, i'm a contributor; but i don't commit, if even rarely 23:22 Jordach hint: i dislike large projects by multiple people with differing goals 23:22 ecutruin Ah. I was curious why they bother to call it 'Technic'.. when Technic isn't actually a single mod. xD 23:23 Jordach ecutruin, modpack more like 23:23 Jordach bbl - frigging around with Blender's Raytracing again 23:23 ecutruin Yeah, as I said the other morning, I know pretty much every author of every mod in that pack. xD 23:23 kaeza TECHNICally it's a mod, as everything depends on everything else (more or less) 23:24 kaeza (I just said something stupid to make a bad pun, my apologies :P) 23:24 VanessaE haha 23:24 ecutruin kaeza, no.. Technic 'technically' is a launcher. The mods running on said launcher are the modpack.. 23:24 * ecutruin snickers. 23:26 Jordach we don't need no stinkin launchers :D 23:26 Tesseract Jordach: I know. Her server is down ATM. 23:27 Jordach you took 1 day to respond 23:27 Jordach i've seen worse :P 23:27 * ecutruin snickers.. 23:28 ecutruin Oh man, I'm looking at the Technic mod for minetest.. o.o; 23:28 ecutruin You weren't kidding when you said multiple authors, were you? 23:29 Jordach yup :P 23:29 * VanessaE hides 23:29 * ecutruin should maybe shut up before offending others. >.< 23:29 * ecutruin meeps. 23:29 Jordach offending others here doesn't work 23:30 Jordach i often take the piss and don't even get slapped on the wrist 23:30 kaeza you just get trolled for all eternity 23:30 Jordach maybe execept that one time where i used retarded and fuckwit one after another 23:30 Exio4 oh man 23:30 Exio4 this pizza + papas fritas is awesome 23:30 * kaeza hugs E 23:30 Drae Wat up! 23:30 kaeza potato fries 23:30 kaeza Exio4, 23:30 Jordach the night sky 23:31 Jordach (that's actually correct here) 23:31 Exio4 potato fries is english, and this is too good to be english 23:31 ecutruin Well, just, what I will say is that if people want to copy MC mods.. why don't they just copy the MC mods? >.< 23:33 Jordach because some people might not want 1:1 clones 23:33 * ecutruin hrms.. 23:33 Jordach they might also want to add their own thoughts in rather than what was intended :P 23:33 ecutruin Yeah.. I think I'll just shut up on that topic. ^-^; 23:35 Exio4 'clones' are nice as long as they are filters of good features/concepts and kill the "workarounds", "tricks", "bad design problems", etc 23:38 ecutruin Exio4, I...shall respectfuly agree/disagree. If you're going to sit down and rework the mods, you should still make sure it feels like it all fits together. ^-~; 23:38 Jordach unlike technic 23:38 * Jordach waits for a high five 23:39 * VanessaE 's brain starts to short out... 23:41 ecutruin VanessaE, sorry if I sound harsh. ^-^; I'm actually a content designer from the MC community. Specifically those mods that people are duplicating here were written by friends of mine. So.. I do feel a bit conflicted on that alone. 23:41 ecutruin I'm also probably twice the age of the average Minetest player, I'd hazzard a bet. 23:42 VanessaE no worries, ecutruin 23:42 VanessaE however, what I write for Minetest is done with no MC influence (I don't own the game and have never played it) 23:44 ShadowNinja ecutruin: I understand what you mean. But you can't expect us to not make any mods that have been made for MC. Although many are specifically designed as copied of MC mods some of them were made without being aware that a MC alternative was available. 23:45 ecutruin I've seen some of your stuff, VanessaE, in my research on the forums. I've liked some of what I've seen. ^-^ I'm also an artist and a pretty damn critical one. So I do tend to be quite harsh. 23:45 ShadowNinja Some want to copy MC to Minetest, but many (most?) want Minetest to be different, although obviously similar. 23:45 ecutruin ShadowNinja, why don't people just make their own large content mod? ^-^ 23:46 Jordach some want Science, some want Magicka and some just want a proper realistic survival experience 23:46 VanessaE ecutruin: dare I ask what you didn't like? O_o 23:46 ShadowNinja ecutruin: Well, the largest mod that I can think of is Technic. Parts of it were inspired by some MC mods, but it is very different. 23:47 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I dunno, homedecor might compete with it ;) 23:47 ShadowNinja ^ That's a pretty big mod too. 23:47 ecutruin VanessaE, since you asked.. colored wood, and pipeworks. Specifically. Not from a conceptual standpoint but from an artistist. The texturing on the colored wood could use a bit of work.. and the pipeworks uses high resolution textures when the world is using low. 23:48 Jordach ^ 23:48 VanessaE ecutruin: in the former case, it's just that I didn't put a lot of effort into the textures is all. For the pipeworks ones, I went with 64px out of necessity. low-rez textures would have looked horrible on those objects imho 23:48 VanessaE but if someone can supply better ones at 16px, I'll consider it 23:48 VanessaE I'm not closed-off to pull requests :) 23:48 Jordach unlike PilzAdam ;3 23:48 ecutruin ShadowNinja, but Technic isn't the communities own mod. Its a collection of blocks from MC mods, redrawn/recolored (or using Terraria recolors), with tweaks to the mechanics to make it 'different' 23:49 Jordach dafuq is up with Spotify 23:49 Jordach my starred list is crashing 23:49 VanessaE for example, tubes kinda need 64px textures to retain the glassy appearance of the tubes' surfaces. I frankly think the MC equivalents look horrible 23:50 ecutruin VanessaE, like I said, I'm a picky, grumpy old kitteh. Don't take everything I complain about seriously. ^-^ If you like it, by all means. hehe. Those were just my criticism. <3 23:50 VanessaE ecutruin: oh no, no worries at all. If you can make better ones, please do. I'll consider them :) 23:50 ecutruin You've seen Redpower, I assume? 23:50 VanessaE only some brief videos. 23:50 Jordach ecutruin, Mesecons looks like it 23:51 Jordach (i infact think, that's what it is based from) 23:51 VanessaE those copper/golden-colored tubes look terrible imho 23:51 ShadowNinja AFAIK all of Technic's textures are custom. But the node's functionality is hardly "tweaked". They're designed from the beginning to be different. 23:51 ecutruin Jordach, not redpower wires.. pipes. :3 23:51 Jordach ecutruin, oh, not the pipes :3 23:51 ShadowNinja Some of them are designed to copy MC things, but not everything. 23:51 ecutruin http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121019232705/thetekkit/images/thumb/3/33/Pump_Example.png/400px-Pump_Example.png 23:51 VanessaE ecutruin: case in point. 23:52 * ShadowNinja can't open that link. 23:52 Jordach you serious 23:52 ShadowNinja I'm using WeeChat and Alt-L doesn't work. 23:52 Piggybear87 Ok, I simply cannot host a server, even strictly vanilla. But I am planning a server for when I get a better computer. I want to have a "theme", if you will. What type of theme should I go with? 23:52 ecutruin VanessaE, see.. I disagree with that being bad.. I think it fits the style of the game you're working in. ^-^ 23:52 VanessaE the link (which points to a pretty small image) shows those copper/golden-colored Redpower tubes and they're so....croweded 23:52 VanessaE crowded* 23:52 Jordach Piggybear87, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNtOubBQv10 23:52 VanessaE they look almost solid 23:53 Piggybear87 Like a "piggybear_game". 23:53 ecutruin I'll get ya another picture. ^-^ 23:53 Jordach buildcraft pipes were the best 23:53 Jordach hands down 23:53 Jordach and they worked with every mod i can think of 23:53 Piggybear87 Jordach, Random much? 23:54 ecutruin And ShadowNinja, can you find a youtube video showing me Technic in action quite indepth? I'm open to changing my viewpoint, but what I've seen seems to be quite duplicated features, tweaked. 23:55 ShadowNinja ecutruin: Um, Minetest doesn't have much of a YT presence. But I'll look. 23:55 ShadowNinja ecutruin: Or you could of course try it yourself. :-) 23:56 VanessaE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioG8OysZyvk 23:56 VanessaE ecutruin: ^^^^^^ 23:56 ecutruin Here's a better one - http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120830220214/thetekkit/images/thumb/0/01/Done%21.png/1000px-Done%21.png 23:56 ShadowNinja ecutruin: Searching for "minetest technic" cones up with quite a few hits. 23:57 VanessaE (old video, damn) 23:58 ecutruin VanessaE, I did not say pipeworks weren't impressive from a technical standpoint. ^-^ Though it seems the entities pop out of the pipes at intersections.. is that an entity issue itself? 23:58 Jordach ecutruin, network / Lua lags 23:58 kaeza ecutruin, that's due to MT not having true client-side prediction 23:58 Jordach there isn't fast enough internal "updates/ticks" 23:58 ecutruin Ah. 23:58 VanessaE ecutruin: it's a client-side issue, there's no way to stop an entity from going past a certain coordinate. 23:59 * ecutruin mentally notes that as a nother limitation he'd have to deal with. 23:59 kaeza ecutruin, the entities only pop-up client side; as far as the server cares, the entities are still "on track"