IRC log for #minetest, 2014-06-05

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Time	Nick	Message
00:02	VanessaE	:-/
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00:10	fireglow	watching the LEGO movie, it's pretty funny :D
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00:13	realtinymonster	I hate this subject
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00:56	jordan4ibanez	How do you printf without making a new line?
00:57	Exio4	just printf!
00:58	jordan4ibanez	NEIGH
01:08	kaeza	don't add '\n' at the end?
01:13	jordan4ibanez	oh it was /r, but is there an equivilant of a table in c?
01:13	jordan4ibanez	\r*
01:14	kaeza	structs
01:14	kaeza	not exactly like tables but meh
01:39	realtinymonster	hehe
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01:40	The_Beast	Hey
01:41	The_Beast	Hey Rtm
01:41	The_Beast	Hey realtinymonster you there?
01:41	realtinymonster	yeah
01:42	realtinymonster	The_Beast: what kind of grade do you have in grammer?
01:42	The_Beast	Right now i have a 85% in English
01:42	realtinymonster	nice
01:42	realtinymonster	same
01:42	realtinymonster	lol
01:43	ShadowNinja	jordan4ibanez: In C you have structs and arrays.  In C++ you have maps too.  And always use \n for a newline.  C translates \n into the proper line ending for the platform.  In fact \r means a line rewrite on Linux.
01:43	VanessaE	sfan5: you about?
01:43	Exio4	on *nix i'd say
01:43	The_Beast	Right now i Either have Carpel Tunnel in my left wrist or a Broke Wrist By my Doctor said most likely Broke Wrist
01:44	Exio4	also, a table would be a hashtable
01:44	realtinymonster	The_Beast: that sucks
01:44	ShadowNinja	Exio4: What does *nix apply to other than unix?  Linux doesn't end in "nix".
01:45	The_Beast	Yeah
01:45	The_Beast	Rtm Your Server up where i can join and Bulid
01:45	Exio4	unix-like systems
01:45	The_Beast	*?
01:45	ShadowNinja	Exio4: == std::unordered_map
01:45	Exio4	bsd doesn't end in *nix either
01:45	Exio4	unordered_map?
01:45	realtinymonster	The_Beast: insomnia247.nl port 30000
01:46	The_Beast	Ok
01:46	ShadowNinja	Exio4: Yea, it's the name for C++11's hashtable.
01:46	Exio4	couldn't they name it hastable
01:46	Exio4	:P
01:47	ShadowNinja	Exio4: No, because others had already used names like that, or so they say.
01:47	The_Beast	ShadowNinja i came up with a idea for Default Minetest the World should end at -100 and Have Better and Bigger Caves
01:47	The_Beast	RTM i cant join
01:47	realtinymonster	OH!
01:47	realtinymonster	wrong port
01:47	ShadowNinja	(It is in a namespace, but a lot of people use "using namespace std;")
01:47	realtinymonster	port 5030
01:47	The_Beast	k
01:48	Exio4	so what
01:48	ShadowNinja	The_Beast: Get my bedrock mod and set the depth to -100
01:48	The_Beast	Ok Cool
01:49	ShadowNinja	Exio4: I agree, but I didn't design C++11.
01:49	The_Beast	Everyone look at this https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/issues/146
01:49	The_Beast	I cant join RTM
01:50	realtinymonster	hmm, maybe if you wait for a few days it will work...
01:50	The_Beast	oK
01:50	The_Beast	Are you sure the port is 5030 and not 50300
01:51	realtinymonster	yeah
01:51	The_Beast	Ok
01:51	realtinymonster	think its broke
01:51	The_Beast	Alright
01:51	realtinymonster	i'll fix it later
01:52	The_Beast	VanessaE Do you know what happend to micro when he said "At the hospital"
02:00	VanessaE	no
02:01	The_Beast	Alright
02:05	The_Beast	VanessaE I have a idea for Technic
02:05	The_Beast	You Guys Should add a"FlyingPack" Where it lets you fly
02:05	Vazon	Is there a reason i cant access the minetest page?
02:06	The_Beast	i CAN ACCESS IT
02:06	The_Beast	Sorrry caps
02:06	Vazon	i get a 500 server access error
02:06	The_Beast	Yeah my to i was able to get on on it 30 min ago
02:09	VanessaE	The_Beast: technic doesn't need that.
02:09	The_Beast	Why Not?
02:10	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: can you take a look at http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/worldmaps/Nostalgia_World.png  ?   Why is the water layering messed up like this when alpha is turned on?
02:10	VanessaE	(other maps do the same)
02:13	* VanessaE	frowns, turns alpha off and re-runs the mapper
02:16	OldCoder	VanessaE, do you suppose I could just do an SQL query to delete deep blocks?
02:16	VanessaE	OldCoder: sure if you know the block address as calculated with the formula in that C++ code ShadowNinja gave me --> you
02:17	OldCoder	So it isn't as simple as select block from world where depth < 1000; ?
02:17	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: Looks fine to me.
02:17	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: look closer - the underwater layering is wrong
02:17	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: No, it isn't.  The positions are hashed in a ugly way.
02:18	OldCoder	Ah. Thanks.
02:18	OldCoder	Could I use a mod to do this?
02:18	VanessaE	it looks like places where it goes, along a seafloor contour, 0m, -1m, +2m, -2m, -3m....
02:18	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: You'll have to get all blocks positions in the DB, decode them, find all the low ones, then re-encode and delete them.
02:19	OldCoder	Ugh
02:19	OldCoder	to coin a phrase. Thanks.
02:19	OldCoder	No better if I convert to LevelDB first?
02:19	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: sfan5 would know better anyway.
02:19	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Nope, LevelDB uses the same hashing method.
02:20	OldCoder	kk
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02:20	Zeno`	Hi all. Has anyone copied a (leveldb) world from one server to another and encountered issues?
02:21	Zeno`	It's almost as if mapgen (in my case) is generating over already built areas. Also my house is missing hehe
02:22	VanessaE	zeno your server just hates, you, I thought we already established this ;)
02:22	Zeno`	this is on the new server
02:22	Zeno`	they both hate me
02:23	The_Beast	VanessaE Can you Restart VE-Survial Please
02:23	VanessaE	no.
02:23	The_Beast	?
02:23	The_Beast	I am laging Badly
02:23	The_Beast	It is the only Server i lag on
02:23	Zeno`	i did tar zcvf to compress my entire world directory and then copied it over to the new server.. tar zcvf blah blah and *sigh*
02:23	Zeno`	zxvf*
02:24	VanessaE	I warned everyone that I'm gonna be running some heavy code there
02:24	The_Beast	Oh I nerver Knew About that
02:24	Zeno`	maybe all my backups are fubar as well :-o
02:24	The_Beast	*Never
02:24	The_Beast	Well Alright
02:24	VanessaE	it'll be done soon
02:24	The_Beast	What Are you coding There?
02:25	VanessaE	I'm generating new maps, doing some testing of stuff.
02:25	The_Beast	Ok
02:26	OldCoder	VanessaE, ShadowNinja last resort. This should work. I ask BrandonReese (this is Landrush) to fly over his world and go through the buildings with the patched recorder client. This will capture the surface world and delete Nether levels. Correct?
02:26	VanessaE	OldCoder: it'll capture the surface to his client, sure, as long as he explores EVERYTHING that needs captured
02:26	VanessaE	and doesn't explore too close to areas that should be rejected.
02:27	OldCoder	I don't have the time to figure out the hashed blocks thing
02:27	VanessaE	remember the mapgen goes out like 5 mapblocks ahead of the player or some such
02:27	OldCoder	Looks like the only option
02:27	OldCoder	I wouldn't mind hosting 8GB
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02:27	OldCoder	but 99% of it is wasted space
02:27	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: ^  You'll miss a lot of it.
02:27	OldCoder	How so?
02:28	OldCoder	I have the recorder patch; can I modify it to record further?
02:28	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: There's a lot to explore on a server like that.
02:28	OldCoder	Then a cursory flyover might work
02:28	OldCoder	But isn't it all
02:28	OldCoder	within a certain number of levels of the surface?
02:28	OldCoder	Or can you offer more tips regarding the code fragments I
02:29	OldCoder	have been given?
02:29	OldCoder	I am willing to play with SQLite3 on this
02:29	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Something that simple accepts the positions on stdin and outputs SQL on stdout should be easy.
02:29	OldCoder	Explain pls
02:29	ShadowNinja	Then pipe sqlite3. 'select pos from blocks' into it.
02:29	OldCoder	Explain pls further
02:30	OldCoder	I am basically familiar
02:30	OldCoder	with SQL BTW
02:30	OldCoder	I am looking at a dump of the DB right now
02:30	ShadowNinja	`sqlite3 map.sqlite 'select pos from blocks;' | someutil | sqlite3 map.sqlite`
02:30	OldCoder	INSERT INTO BLOCKS
02:30	OldCoder	I don't even need that
02:30	OldCoder	I can simply filter the dump
02:30	OldCoder	If I know what I'm looking for
02:30	ShadowNinja	So it doesn't have to use libsqlite3.
02:31	OldCoder	CREATE TABLE `blocks` (`pos` INT NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY,`data` BLOB);
02:31	OldCoder	Hm; it's a binary blob?
02:31	OldCoder	Ah, wait
02:31	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, hang on
02:31	ShadowNinja	Yes, MapBlocks are blobs.
02:31	OldCoder	O.K. pos is an integer
02:31	OldCoder	This might work; I see what you're getting at
02:31	OldCoder	Starting with an integer like 67084278
02:32	OldCoder	Take a quick look at the fragments that were posted earlier
02:32	OldCoder	One moment
02:32	ShadowNinja	It's hashed in z y x order.
02:32	OldCoder	I have encodeblockposn
02:32	ShadowNinja	With multiplication.
02:32	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: btw, in case you're curious:  using two threads (via xargs), all 7 overview maps generated and pngcrush'ed in onlt about 18 1/2 minutes on the server'  on this dual core 3.4 GHz i3.
02:32	OldCoder	Able to help me with a quick decodeblockposn?
02:32	VanessaE	fek.  wasn't done editing that line.  well anyway the figures are correct.
02:32	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: See minetest/src/database.cpp.
02:32	OldCoder	return (uint64_t) z * 0x1000000 +(uint64_t) y * 0x1000 + (uint64_t) x;
02:32	OldCoder	Actually maybe this is enough
02:33	OldCoder	So if I take pos and look at it as hex
02:33	OldCoder	Is z the vertical position?
02:33	VanessaE	(and that's with active gameplay running taking up some resources also)
02:33	OldCoder	This might be very simple
02:33	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: Sounds good.
02:33	OldCoder	VanessaE, ShadowNinja If I divide pos by hex million do I get the vertical coordinate?
02:34	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Nope.
02:34	OldCoder	ynot?
02:34	OldCoder	return (uint64_t) z * 0x1000000 +(uint64_t) y * 0x1000 + (uint64_t) x;
02:34	Zeno`	you only need one cast (C will promote the others)
02:34	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: You have to decode the whole thing since y is in the middle.
02:34	OldCoder	That is what I needed; so *y* is vertical position?
02:34	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Yep.
02:35	Exio4	i'm so bored i write functions for plotting functions :D
02:35	OldCoder	So simply do this: Modulo hex million and divide by hex 1000
02:35	Exio4	the code is shit
02:35	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, is that all?
02:35	OldCoder	easy peasy
02:35	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: That should do, but check pythonmodulo and let me look at it before you run it.
02:36	OldCoder	check pythonmodulo? I'll use Perl
02:36	OldCoder	Writing it now
02:36	Zeno`	you don't need modulo to extract those values... use bitwise & and right shift
02:36	OldCoder	Zeno`, thanks and hang on
02:36	ShadowNinja	Eh, I hope prel does modulo that way then.
02:36	ShadowNinja	perl*
02:36	Exio4	maybe you should switch to python, it is the future in languages, C will be replaced by python
02:37	OldCoder	Exio4, nah
02:37	Exio4	numa numa iei, numa numa iei, numa numa iei~
02:37	OldCoder	'C' is the parent language
02:37	Exio4	OldCoder: i'm being sarcastic
02:37	OldCoder	This might be very easy
02:37	Zeno`	I'm just looking at the C... sorry, I didn't realise you were using Perl
02:37	ShadowNinja	Exio4: Not until Python is coded in Python.
02:37	OldCoder	Exio4, I am literal; autistic
02:38	Exio4	ahm
02:38	Zeno`	either way, the unsigned value must be the same in perl as it is represented in C otherwise the world will explose
02:38	ShadowNinja	Python's good.  But I don't think C's going to die anytime soon.
02:38	OldCoder	So 12 bits for each number?
02:38	ShadowNinja	Yep.
02:39	OldCoder	$n = ($n >> 12) & 0xFFF;
02:39	OldCoder	Will that give me y?
02:39	Zeno`	it would
02:39	OldCoder	How deep does Nether start?
02:39	ShadowNinja	!c 2**12 - (2**16 % 16)
02:39	MinetestBot	4096
02:39	OldCoder	4096?
02:39	ShadowNinja	!c 2**12 - (2**16 / 16)
02:39	MinetestBot	0
02:40	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Nope.
02:40	OldCoder	I see blocks below 100 and some above 4000
02:40	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: I tried that, it uses multiplication, not bit shifts.
02:40	OldCoder	Same difference
02:41	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Nope, not with signed values.
02:41	OldCoder	That is what the bitmask is for, isn't it?
02:41	OldCoder	How about
02:41	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Yes, but that's not how it's done.
02:41	OldCoder	$n = ($n & 0x0FFF0000) >> 12
02:41	OldCoder	$n = ($n >> 12) & 0xFFF;
02:42	OldCoder	Will this work or not?
02:42	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Save yourself from a headache and just use division and modulo/
02:42	Zeno`	it shouldn't be signed. If it somehow becomes signed then, yeah, it won't work because it will be 2's complement
02:42	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, indicate your preferred line
02:42	OldCoder	$n = ($n >> 12) & 0xFFF;
02:42	OldCoder	Replace that
02:42	OldCoder	I shall do both
02:42	OldCoder	and compare them
02:42	Zeno`	if $n is unsigned it will work, but yeah... maybe just use the / and %
02:42	OldCoder	Zeno`, ShadowNinja, VanessaE I see a lot of 4000+ blocks. Shouldn't Nether be negative?
02:42	OldCoder	Or are those clouds?
02:42	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: I spent days trying to get bit shifts to work on the map.
02:43	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, indicate what you suggest I use
02:43	OldCoder	This is actually almost done
02:43	OldCoder	Hang on
02:43	OldCoder	How are negative values of y represented here?
02:43	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Just what database.cpp uses.
02:43	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, I only need one line
02:43	OldCoder	Could you simply suggest the line?
02:44	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: See unsigned_to_signed.
02:44	* OldCoder	sighs
02:44	OldCoder	Could you simply suggest the line?
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02:44	OldCoder	BrandonReese, Hi
02:44	OldCoder	We are deciding the future of your world
02:44	OldCoder	return (uint64_t) z * 0x1000000 +
02:44	OldCoder	(uint64_t) y * 0x1000 +
02:44	OldCoder	(uint64_t) x;
02:44	OldCoder	}
02:45	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Um, something like unsignedToSigned((hash / 4096) % 4096, 2048)
02:45	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, if that code is correct, I'm a bit unclear on how negative values are represented
02:45	OldCoder	Can you comment on negative y?
02:45	Zeno`	it's correct because they're being cast to unsigned
02:45	OldCoder	So coordinates
02:45	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: That's the encoding code, not decoding.
02:45	OldCoder	I know D:
02:45	OldCoder	Thanks though
02:45	OldCoder	So...
02:45	Zeno`	interpreting (converting them back) to signed number is going to need the reverse of that
02:45	OldCoder	Coordinates are actually FFFF
02:46	OldCoder	16 bits?
02:46	OldCoder	And signed?
02:46	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: There's overflow, that's why bit ops don't work.
02:46	OldCoder	Coordinates are actually 16 bits and signed in MT?
02:47	OldCoder	Never mind the code for a minute
02:47	ShadowNinja	Yes.  They're stored as 12-bit though.
02:47	OldCoder	Hm
02:47	ShadowNinja	Block positions that is.
02:47	OldCoder	What happens to negative numbers then?
02:47	BrandonReese	Hey
02:47	OldCoder	Yeh
02:47	OldCoder	something like unsignedToSigned((hash / 4096) % 4096, 2048)
02:47	ShadowNinja	They're encoded the same, but overflow into the next number.
02:48	OldCoder	Doesn't that break things? O.K. what does the 2048 do?
02:48	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Values >2048 are interpreted as negative and converted into their 16-bit version.
02:48	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, your patience is appreciated
02:49	OldCoder	Very well
02:49	ShadowNinja	So 16-bit 4096 is 12-bit -1.
02:49	OldCoder	Wait
02:49	OldCoder	4089
02:50	OldCoder	is what, then?
02:50	OldCoder	hash/4096 % 4096 gives 4089
02:50	OldCoder	that is a negative number
02:50	OldCoder	of what value?
02:51	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, help with this and the community gets the code
02:51	* ShadowNinja	checks the code.
02:52	OldCoder	def unsignedToSigned(i, max_positive):
02:52	OldCoder	if i < max_positive:
02:52	OldCoder	return i
02:52	OldCoder	else:
02:52	OldCoder	return i - 2*max_positive
02:52	OldCoder	I can check to see if this will work in Perl
02:52	OldCoder	Tell me what 4089 works out to
02:53	Zeno`	It would be simple if Perl wasn't involved hehe
02:53	OldCoder	D:
02:53	OldCoder	Is 4089 equal to -7?
02:53	OldCoder	If so, I think we're good to go
02:54	OldCoder	Where does nether start?
02:54	BrandonReese	Ummmm -18000 I think. Let me check
02:54	OldCoder	-1800?
02:54	OldCoder	I see blocks around -1000
02:55	OldCoder	Can I simply delete everything below -1000 ?
02:55	BrandonReese	-21000
02:55	OldCoder	What is down at -1000 ?
02:55	BrandonReese	Probably mines. I know I have a quarry setup around -1200
02:55	OldCoder	Not a huge part of the map?
02:55	OldCoder	Nether is most of the bulk?
02:55	VanessaE	OldCoder: remember those are mapblock IDs, BrandonReese is giving you actual depths
02:56	VanessaE	so when you see -1000, it's -16000 m deep
02:56	OldCoder	Hm
02:56	OldCoder	I thought we settled that these were decoded coords
02:56	BrandonReese	When I first installed nether it was at -5000 I think, then I moved it down to -21000. I would venture to say anything below -5000 could safely be removed
02:56	VanessaE	oh wait, yeah you did
02:56	OldCoder	Distances are multiplied by 16 ?
02:56	VanessaE	my bad
02:56	* VanessaE	shuts up now.
02:57	OldCoder	No, thanks; appreciate help
02:57	Zeno`	the most absurd code I've ever written: http://codepad.org/d7OxUsoz
02:57	Zeno`	and I don't know if it demonstrates anything at all
02:57	OldCoder	Busy; what is it?
02:57	OldCoder	Zeno`, Reviewing
02:58	Zeno`	I have no idea if that's how MT does things
02:58	OldCoder	It is cool
02:58	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Y = unsigned_to_signed(((hash - unsigned_to_signed(hash % 4096, 2048) / 4096) % 4096, 2048)
02:58	Zeno`	I was just checking your 4089 thing
02:58	OldCoder	What does it print? And thanks!
02:58	OldCoder	Ah 7
02:58	OldCoder	yes
02:58	OldCoder	I'm not seeing anything below -5000
02:58	OldCoder	BrandonReese, how large are these mines?
02:58	OldCoder	And could Nether be higher?
02:59	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Remember, they're block positions, not node positions (/ 16)
02:59	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, I asked about that earlier
02:59	OldCoder	Exactly where should the Nether cutoff be?
02:59	OldCoder	-5000 divided by 16 ?
02:59	ShadowNinja	Yes.
02:59	OldCoder	When BrandonReese says -5000 then
02:59	OldCoder	it is actually 16X less
03:00	ShadowNinja	That'll probably be fractional though.
03:00	OldCoder	About -300 is close enough
03:00	BrandonReese	I'm speaking in the Y coordinate in game if that clears anything up
03:00	OldCoder	4800 node blocks or down is what he means?
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03:00	ShadowNinja	So floor() or ceil() it.
03:00	Vazon	Hey Megaf
03:00	OldCoder	Close enough
03:00	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, he says -5000 in game; this is nodes?
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03:01	OldCoder	If so, cutoff at -300 should work
03:01	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: Yes.
03:01	OldCoder	ThankU
03:01	OldCoder	!
03:01	ShadowNinja	YW.  :-)
03:01	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
03:01	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (642ms)
03:01	Megaf	~up minetest.megaf.info 30003
03:01	ShadowBot	Megaf: minetest.megaf.info port 30003 is up (659ms)
03:01	Megaf	bots?
03:02	Zeno`	They're humans; they just type very quickly
03:02	ShadowNinja	Megaf: Yes? And?
03:02	Zeno`	I spoke to them for 7 hours last night and am satisfied that they pass the Turing Test
03:02	Megaf	I took quite long to get a reply from them
03:02	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
03:02	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (346ms)
03:03	Megaf	ok, faster now
03:03	Zeno`	That might be because they were checking their email earlier?
03:03	ShadowNinja	Megaf: 1 second is long?  And it takes at least as long as the server ping.
03:03	OldCoder	BrandonReese, if I drop nether mod but add nether_ png files to textures will this work?
03:03	Megaf	[00:01:06] <Megaf> !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
03:03	Megaf	[00:01:25] <Megaf> ~up minetest.megaf.info 30003
03:04	Megaf	[00:01:48] <MinetestBot> minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (642ms)
03:04	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: No.
03:04	Megaf	[00:01:53] [ShadowBot] Megaf: minetest.megaf.info port 30003 is up (659ms)
03:04	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, can I patch nether so as to not generate then?
03:04	OldCoder	Wait
03:04	OldCoder	I think I did this a year ago
03:04	ShadowNinja	Megaf: You're lagging, I saw a 1 second difference at most.
03:04	OldCoder	more /opt/minetest047/share/minetest/mods/nether/init.lua
03:04	OldCoder	Oops
03:04	BrandonReese	Yeah you could patch nether so it doesn't generate
03:05	OldCoder	BrandonReese, care to suggest the patch?
03:05	BrandonReese	yeah one moment
03:06	ShadowNinja	Basically just remove the register_on_generated section.
03:06	Vazon	OldCoder jsut delete the dofile minetest.get_modpath(nether) .. mapgen
03:06	OldCoder	In the nether mod?
03:06	Megaf	max_lag, 0.89, not bad for my little ARM
03:06	Vazon	yes OldCoder
03:06	OldCoder	Any chance of providing that as a diff?
03:06	OldCoder	to be safe
03:07	Vazon	i would have to download the mod but most have a mapgen.lua linked to the init.lua from the mapgens i have messed with
03:07	OldCoder	Hang on
03:07	OldCoder	I think we're going to boot his world shortly
03:08	Vazon	kk
03:09	BrandonReese	http://pastebin.com/2XKen3h4
03:09	OldCoder	R
03:09	BrandonReese	That's just the code to register the nodes because that's all we need so we don't end up with unknown nodes
03:09	OldCoder	BrandonReese, it isn't loading
03:09	OldCoder	Wait
03:09	BrandonReese	just throw that in nether/init.lua
03:10	OldCoder	So replace just one file?
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03:10	The_Beast	VanessaE you there
03:10	BrandonReese	Yes, that file and the textures should work fine
03:10	OldCoder	Thanks
03:10	OldCoder	Waiting to finish rebuild of sqlite3 file
03:11	OldCoder	BrandonReese, Interesting; even with blocks below -300 dropped it is still 3GB or more
03:11	OldCoder	I wonder if there is an issue other than Nether
03:11	OldCoder	Or is this actually a large world?
03:11	BrandonReese	It's a rather large world
03:11	OldCoder	Good
03:11	OldCoder	I mostly didn't like the idea of wasted space
03:12	BrandonReese	How big was the file before?
03:12	OldCoder	8.2GB
03:12	OldCoder	Or GiB
03:12	* OldCoder	forgets which is which
03:13	Megaf	What can I use potatoes for?
03:14	The_Beast	You eat them Dih
03:14	The_Beast	*Duh
03:16	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, I forget to match pos with negative values before
03:16	OldCoder	Will the same algorithm work for -4848484 etc. ?
03:17	ShadowNinja	OldCoder: It only soppurts up to -2048.
03:17	ShadowNinja	Supports*
03:17	OldCoder	I mean
03:17	OldCoder	the pos value in the databasew
03:17	OldCoder	the pos value in the database *
03:17	OldCoder	shows as -4949494 for some blocks
03:17	OldCoder	Must be decoded the same way?
03:17	ShadowNinja	Yes.  As long as you used the division and modulo method.
03:18	OldCoder	kk
03:19	* BrandonReese	listens to the storm rolling in
03:24	Vazon	the storms just pasted me
03:34	OldCoder	BrandonReese, converted. Nether was 2GB out of 8GB. Starting your world soon.
03:35	BrandonReese	Great
03:35	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, VanessaE I can use this approach to finally merge some of my old worlds can't I? I need to shift positions for blocks is all?
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03:36	OldCoder	Vazon, BrandonReese I will ask some of my tenants to help me with small favors like that. Will you be willing to fly over some old worlds and note just approx. coords of cities? No need for exact like in mapedit.
03:36	BrandonReese	I could probably do some of that
03:36	Vazon	yes
03:37	* OldCoder	chants spells over Landrush to revive it
03:37	OldCoder	A few more minutes
03:38	Vazon	Its good that Landrush will be back, it was a great server for the comunitie
03:39	OldCoder	BrandonReese, you provided both mods and game
03:39	OldCoder	are all the mods in the game?
03:39	BrandonReese	no, game is just vanilla minetest_game with fire removed
03:40	OldCoder	So I should take that and add the mods?
03:40	BrandonReese	yeah
03:40	Vazon	brandon why not add fireback just remove the spreading and destruction of it?
03:41	Vazon	fire abck*
03:41	BrandonReese	That's a good idea.
03:41	VanessaE	OldCoder: I'm not 100% about the method you're settling on but the script I first gave you did exactly that - it merged worlds - but there's a caveat:  one of the two is gonna have hard mapblock boundaries, because after all the map only has one seed.
03:41	VanessaE	and it's gonna match one or the other of the merged maps
03:41	VanessaE	(and thus, not match the secondary map)
03:41	Vazon	I did that to my fire on Minerealms
03:42	VanessaE	worse case scenario:  you build lots of stairways and ladders to traverse the cliffs and get people to start doing a LOT of landscaping.
03:42	VanessaE	worst*
03:42	OldCoder	Not too bad
03:42	OldCoder	better than a dozen empty worlds
03:42	VanessaE	yes
03:48	OldCoder	BrandonReese, what is your in-game name?
03:48	BrandonReese	BrandonReese
03:49	OldCoder	BrandonReese, if you fix fire mod let me know
03:49	OldCoder	No rush
03:49	BrandonReese	Ok I'll let you know. It won't be tonight
03:49	OldCoder	Ofc
03:50	OldCoder	BrandonReese, did you have a static spawn point? I may have missed something
03:51	BrandonReese	Yes I did. 238, 3, 320
03:51	OldCoder	It doesn't seem to be in your conf
03:51	OldCoder	Did you give me the latest version?
03:52	OldCoder	BrandonReese, and do you have a link for your server forum thread?
03:53	BrandonReese	For the servers page I used http://landrush.bremaweb.com/ as the link
03:54	OldCoder	Is that still up?
03:54	OldCoder	Ah, yes
03:54	OldCoder	Good
03:54	OldCoder	BrandonReese, I don't know if I used the right landrush.conf file
03:54	BrandonReese	Yeah, it's still up and I'll keep it up because it has it's own forum. I'll just have to take down the online players and members area
03:55	OldCoder	Possible to paste the one you are sure is right?
03:55	OldCoder	The one I had didn't have your spawn point
03:58	BrandonReese	http://pastebin.com/VDD0CyE1
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04:02	OldCoder	R
04:02	OldCoder	BrandonReese, Is this *yours* ??
04:03	OldCoder	BrandonReese, I may not have been clear
04:03	OldCoder	Do you have the file
04:03	OldCoder	that sets the spawn point?
04:03	BrandonReese	Yes it's in the config the static_spawnpoint setting
04:07	OldCoder	BrandonReese, that works with commas too doesn't it?
04:07	OldCoder	BrandonReese, is this the file you have actually used? Are you able to identify your specific settings?
04:08	OldCoder	I am building you a _game BTW
04:08	BrandonReese	Yeah that's the file I actually used. I can send you a condensed version with only the settings I changed
04:08	OldCoder	BrandonReese, pls do. Also, what is different about your bones?
04:09	OldCoder	You added bones in both the game and the mods zip
04:09	OldCoder	Which should be used?
04:09	BrandonReese	the bones in mods is the original bones mod with the one punch pick up. Use the one in the mods
04:09	OldCoder	So delete the one in the _game
04:10	Piggybear87	Is someone taking over Landrush?
04:10	OldCoder	Almost done with _game
04:10	OldCoder	Piggybear87, me
04:10	OldCoder	But
04:10	OldCoder	BrandonReese will remain admin in-game
04:10	BrandonReese	Yes delete the one in _game
04:10	OldCoder	I am building the _game now
04:10	asl	brandonreese: can you give me a copy of the bones mod with the one punch pick up?
04:10	OldCoder	BrandonReese, proceed with conf while I tweak nether
04:10	Piggybear87	All the files are there, right? Like my claims and money, etc?
04:10	OldCoder	SHould be
04:11	BrandonReese	Yes should be
04:11	OldCoder	I am deleting the Nether caverns
04:11	Piggybear87	Sweet. I hated nether.
04:11	BrandonReese	asl, I can get that to you
04:11	Vazon	Piggybear no it will not be everything is lost. lol no its all there, OldCoder did the same for my server and all stayed the same so no worry
04:12	OldCoder	BrandonReese, irc doesn't work for me but this is temporary. kaeza ShadowNinja and I will set up things at some point.
04:12	Piggybear87	BrandonReese, while I'm on at the same time as you, how do you do multiple spawns?
04:12	asl	the price for netherrack is going to skyrocket
04:13	BrandonReese	OldCoder ok that's fine
04:13	OldCoder	BrandonReese, what is this 0gb_us file? Needed?
04:14	BrandonReese	Piggybear87 I wrote a mod to do it and it's pretty hacked together. I think this mod by pitriss does the same thing https://github.com/Pitriss/multispawn
04:14	BrandonReese	OldCoder We should be good to get rid of that
04:15	OldCoder	I think almost ready to start
04:15	OldCoder	Get me the conf file when you can
04:15	Piggybear87	OK, thanks.
04:19	Piggybear87	BrandonReese, What happened to superdave? I thought he was hosting the server?
04:19	asl	BrandonReese: bpaste/pastebin the init file for the bones mod with the one punch pick up when you can
04:20	BrandonReese	OldCoder here is the condensed config. From active_object_send_range_blocks to dedicated_server_step  are my tweaks trying to improve performance, I honestly don't know if these settings are better than default or not.
04:20	BrandonReese	http://pastebin.com/9b5Meg9C
04:21	BrandonReese	superdave wasn't able to renew the server it was on
04:21	Piggybear87	Oh.
04:23	OldCoder	BrandonReese, R
04:24	Piggybear87	Is the name going to remain?
04:24	OldCoder	Yes
04:24	BrandonReese	Yes
04:24	LazyJ	kaeza, are you about?
04:25	Piggybear87	Cool.
04:26	OldCoder	BrandonReese, is the ban stuff yours?
04:26	OldCoder	banLevel = 75
04:26	OldCoder	banWarning = 12
04:26	OldCoder	is that from you?
04:26	Piggybear87	Yes.
04:26	OldCoder	What is it?
04:26	Piggybear87	From Landrush landclaim I believe.
04:26	kaeza	LazyJ, pong
04:27	BrandonReese	It's for the landrush auto ban system
04:27	OldCoder	should time_speed be 0 or 96?
04:27	Piggybear87	I "may" have stol... Erm borrowed it for my future server. :)
04:27	BrandonReese	96
04:28	LazyJ	kaeza, homedecor -> locked microwaves and ovens are reverting to regular when placed/dug. I'm looking at the code but having difficulty interpreting it.
04:28	BrandonReese	Piggybear87, that's why it's open source :)
04:28	kaeza	huh?
04:28	kaeza	lemme check
04:29	LazyJ	When dug, locked microwaves and ovens return to the inventory as their unlocked versions.
04:29	Piggybear87	I'm borrowing my favorite parts of my favorite server. :)
04:29	Vazon	server shut down OldCoder, was that planned?
04:29	OldCoder	Yes
04:29	Vazon	ok
04:29	OldCoder	BrandonReese, no players with names starting with dash
04:29	OldCoder	It breaks things
04:29	BrandonReese	Ok that's fine. I wasn't aware there were any
04:29	OldCoder	player -________-
04:29	OldCoder	Heh
04:30	LazyJ	I checked with WorldEdit's inspector after placing the locked versions. It reported them as the unlocked variety.
04:30	BrandonReese	ah, probably some jerk
04:30	Vazon	xD such a troll name
04:30	LazyJ	Something is switching them after placement.
04:30	Vazon	Lazy the locked oven turning into a regular oven??
04:32	Piggybear87	OldCoder, What's the address?
04:32	OldCoder	Piggybear87, wait; let's see if I can get it to work
04:32	Piggybear87	OK. :) I miss my lab...
04:32	Vazon	OldCoder, question why is mine down if your working on landrush? lol
04:33	OldCoder	I've only filtered 8GB down to 6GB, replaced nether, did a new conf, created a new _game, etc. :P
04:33	OldCoder	Vazon, the restart mechanism presently needs to take down all servers
04:33	realtinymonster	Shh!
04:33	OldCoder	Will try to fix that sometime
04:33	Vazon	ok
04:33	realtinymonster	you woke me up!
04:33	Piggybear87	realtinymonster, WAKE UP!
04:33	Vazon	tiny shhh or i will poke you
04:34	* realtinymonster	sets usermode +i #moontest
04:34	OldCoder	vendor/mese_vendor.lua:226: attempt to index global 'mesecon' (a nil value)
04:34	OldCoder	BrandonReese, ^
04:34	OldCoder	vendor isn't loading due to that message
04:34	Vazon	eeeewww vendors
04:35	Piggybear87	Vazon, SHUT UP! I love those things. :)
04:35	OldCoder	BrandonReese, did you omit mesecons from your mods set?
04:35	BrandonReese	I didn't think so...
04:35	OldCoder	If so, do you have the release you were using?
04:35	OldCoder	Well, that is the message
04:35	OldCoder	Wait
04:35	OldCoder	Mod name conflict detected: "plants_lib"
04:35	BrandonReese	does vendor have mesecons in the depends.txt?
04:35	OldCoder	"animal_creeper" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "fire"
04:35	OldCoder	Looks like we have some work ahead
04:36	OldCoder	Hang on
04:36	BrandonReese	oh, get rid of animals
04:36	BrandonReese	that shouldn't be loaded
04:36	Vazon	Piggybear they are a great mod indeed but the money mod is more conservitive. 2 nodes = venders 1 node = money
04:36	Piggybear87	Awww.... I didn't know you added mobs...
04:36	OldCoder	But why is the error occurring?
04:36	OldCoder	Isn't this your mods set?
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04:37	BrandonReese	I just realized it's not my exact mod set because I had some disabled in the world.mt file but you can't do that if you're setting it up as a game
04:37	OldCoder	mesecon?
04:37	OldCoder	That line is in the depends file
04:37	OldCoder	BrandonReese, how about
04:37	Piggybear87	I like Vendor with money2 because I figured out how to sell singles and stacks AND 10 and 20 or whatever.
04:37	OldCoder	I give you the landrush_game zip that I made
04:37	OldCoder	and you fix it?
04:38	Vazon	piggy you cna do that with money lol
04:38	OldCoder	Preparing ZIP file now
04:38	BrandonReese	that sounds good, I was just going to suggest putting in on hold tonight and I would get the exact mods together.
04:38	OldCoder	Wait
04:38	Piggybear87	Using 1 chest?
04:38	OldCoder	I am half there so you might as well start with this ZIP
04:38	Vazon	yes
04:38	Vazon	you can set how many you want to sell
04:39	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/landrush_game.zip
04:39	Piggybear87	Also, one of my shops were half buying, half selling. The buying ones tele-tubed to my storage facility.
04:39	OldCoder	^ BrandonReese tidy that up and we might be in business
04:39	BrandonReese	Sounds like a plan
04:40	BrandonReese	Downloading now, probably get it back to you tomorrow evening
04:40	Piggybear87	Awww...
04:40	Vazon	well money you can set buy and selling in one set up not 2 tho it doesnt work with pipes yet
04:41	Piggybear87	Also, with the money mods, I'm not a huge fan of Dan's. I don't like it taking up precious inventory space.
04:42	Vazon	eww i hate Dan's
04:43	Vazon	i always die and loss it
04:43	Piggybear87	I had to "borrow" brandon's money2 version with /convert. I missed that.
04:44	BrandonReese	I'm always happy to see other people enjoy my work
04:45	Vazon	Brandon is it possible to make convert work with the money mod? i have wanted to add a version of that to Minerealms just not as steep of a infalation
04:45	Piggybear87	:) Still not a fan of the varying convertval, but it will work... Did you ever get that PM a long time ago about that glitch?
04:46	kaeza	LazyJ, I found the error, but fixing will need a bit of time
04:47	BrandonReese	I'm sure it would be possible. I haven't worked with money mod, but I'm sure someone could make it work
04:47	Vazon	ok
04:48	Vazon	i think the money mod and money2 are very similar so shouldn't be to hard
04:48	LazyJ	Thanks, kaeza. I'm looking forward to studying the solution. ;)
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04:57	Vazon	wb Piggy
04:58	OldCoder	BrandonReese, contact me when done with mods. I assume not tonight.
04:59	Piggybear87	I had no choice! I clicked un/decorate and lost my - + x Lol.
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04:59	Vazon	OldCoder, do you use some coding for the mods for more stablity?? because the server never crashes, and quite a few of our mods are very unstable
04:59	Vazon	well they should be
05:00	OldCoder	Vazon, I patch mods quite a bit but in your case we're using your _game
05:01	OldCoder	I suppose the speed of the server
05:01	OldCoder	May help it to avoid some of the issues
05:01	OldCoder	Eventually there may be crashes
05:01	OldCoder	Until the mod issues are sorted out
05:01	Vazon	wow, most of my patches must be holding up then
05:01	OldCoder	Yep
05:01	realtinymonster	OldCoder: can you host an Moontest one?
05:01	OldCoder	Explain Moontest pls
05:02	realtinymonster	OldCoder: http://tinyurl.com/moontest
05:02	OldCoder	So it is basically a lunar landscape set of textures and mods?
05:02	realtinymonster	yeah
05:03	realtinymonster	its like you are on the moo
05:03	realtinymonster	n
05:03	Vazon	OldCoder its a game
05:03	OldCoder	Has anybody built a world with it
05:03	OldCoder	Vazon, I know
05:03	OldCoder	realtinymonster, is there a map to go with it?
05:03	Vazon	ok, was making sure.
05:03	OldCoder	A sample moon world?
05:03	realtinymonster	OldCoder: I am working on a medium sized city at the moment
05:03	OldCoder	Sure, if it doesn't crash
05:03	realtinymonster	I will notify you when i'm completed
05:03	OldCoder	I'll host it; unique enough
05:04	realtinymonster	nice!
05:04	OldCoder	I mostly dislike hosting a lot of similar empty worlds
05:04	OldCoder	Something unique is welcome
05:04	realtinymonster	yeah, i know what you mean
05:04	OldCoder	I like these special projects. reactor here for example has done pripyat.
05:04	OldCoder	Not finished but still unusual.
05:04	realtinymonster	I was thinking, should I leave the buildings bare? or add stuff inside?
05:05	OldCoder	Stuff inside but...
05:05	OldCoder	can work on decor or shades
05:05	OldCoder	What would a lunar colony have?
05:05	realtinymonster	hmm, lotsa iron-based stuff
05:05	OldCoder	This is the sort of thing
05:05	Vazon	realtiny if you want i can host a small test server, maby max at 5 people to see how players like it till OldCoder can host it
05:05	OldCoder	That will attract notice
05:06	OldCoder	Vazon, I can host immediately :-)
05:06	realtinymonster	OldCoder: nice
05:06	Vazon	hrmp stealing my job :P lol joking
05:06	* OldCoder	needs to rest a while
05:06	realtinymonster	I will try to get on tomorrow
05:06	OldCoder	BrandonReese, see me again when you can
05:06	* realtinymonster	needs to rest too, but he has school to do
05:06	OldCoder	After an evening on your world
05:06	OldCoder	would like to finish it
05:07	Vazon	i can do small servers like 5-10 people no problem my server was to big for me to handle
05:07	Vazon	we had 35+people
05:07	BrandonReese	OldCoder ok I'll get the game cleaned up and get it to you as soon as possible
05:07	OldCoder	kkty
05:07	OldCoder	If you wish another test done tonight PM a ZIP link else see me when you can. I will nap a little.
05:08	BrandonReese	I'm probably going to work another half our tonight and then bed
05:09	Vazon	im up all night, i have to be :|
05:09	realtinymonster	need to work on school :/
05:10	BrandonReese	I used to work until 3am then get up at 6, I can't do that anymore
05:10	Vazon	My little sister has a mri and she has to stay awake all night and i have to keep her up
05:12	BrandonReese	I hope everything is ok
05:13	realtinymonster	^ that
05:14	Vazon	she seems to be blacking out and so do i
05:14	realtinymonster	hmm scary
05:15	Vazon	yes and she isnt worried, she doesnt seem to understand what's happening
05:15	Vazon	btw is anyone else getting this error when trying to access the minetest page, 500 Internal Server Error?
05:16	realtinymonster	nope
05:17	kaeza	Vazon, yes
05:17	Vazon	mhmm i can access the forum jsut fine just cant get to the page
05:18	Vazon	ok good im not alone
05:18	kaeza	everything else (wiki, forum, etc) is just fine
05:18	Vazon	ya
05:19	OldCoder	BrandonReese, you are old now?
05:19	* OldCoder	is back
05:19	BrandonReese	some days I feel old
05:19	* OldCoder	has a thing where he needs to rest for a few minutes and breathe different
05:19	OldCoder	BrandonReese, I ought to do other stuff but answer this
05:19	BrandonReese	maybe it's age, maybe it's 4 kids
05:19	Vazon	breathe different??? ummm i dont think thats normal
05:20	OldCoder	If I delete the _game mods that you do not load
05:20	OldCoder	will this approximate your setup?
05:20	BrandonReese	it should
05:20	OldCoder	Vazon, I call it "breathing shock". It is not nearly normal.
05:20	* OldCoder	has had an unusual life. But so has everybody.
05:20	Vazon	like asma?
05:21	OldCoder	No. This is very odd. For 6 years I get highly tired in moments; must lie down and pant for a while. Then sometimes it stops.
05:21	OldCoder	Food triggers it so I must stop eating
05:21	OldCoder	But it is not a particular food
05:21	Vazon	Sounds like you just over stress yourself
05:21	OldCoder	BrandonReese, hang on; I will edit
05:21	OldCoder	No
05:21	OldCoder	Not a subject for this forum of course
05:22	OldCoder	It is a failure of the endocrine system
05:22	OldCoder	4 kids, eh?
05:22	OldCoder	You are older than I figured
05:22	Vazon	o that sounds bad
05:22	OldCoder	Vazon, rest can be PM
05:23	Vazon	ok
05:25	* realtinymonster	is switching devices
05:26	Piggybear87	I can't imagine 4 kids. I just had a daughter and it's hard! Lol.
05:32	Piggybear87	Whelp, I'm outie. See y'all later.
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05:35	* realtinymonster	has returned
05:36	realtinymonster	Vazon: i need to stay up too, but only till midnight
05:37	Vazon	hey someone will be up with me :D
05:37	realtinymonster	only 30 min left woo!
05:37	realtinymonster	but
05:38	realtinymonster	i can stay longer if i dont get too sleepy
05:39	Vazon	well if you need sleep then sleep
05:40	realtinymonster	nah, i havent had my nightly coffee, so im awake!
05:41	* realtinymonster	has an odd brain...
05:42	realtinymonster	caffine = sleep XD
05:42	Vazon	lol
05:42	realtinymonster	ADHD FTW
05:43	realtinymonster	plus other crap XD
05:43	VanessaE	what are you talking ADHD?  there's no A---   OH LOOK!  SHINY!
05:43	VanessaE	;)
05:43	realtinymonster	heh
05:44	realtinymonster	^ can relate q_q
05:45	realtinymonster	it can become out of hand...
05:45	Vazon	lol Hi VanessaE
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05:46	realtinymonster	woo
05:46	Vazon	VanessaE: Splizard has fixed the snow mod, plantlib incompablilit
05:46	Vazon	i have tested it and it works
05:46	VanessaE	I saw the post
05:46	VanessaE	what was the fix?
05:46	realtinymonster	i used to be the youngest here...
05:46	VanessaE	I mean, what was it that was broken?
05:47	Vazon	idk if it was broken, just a incompablility.
05:48	realtinymonster	i have been beat by Lemon and nman
05:48	Vazon	at what tiny?
05:48	realtinymonster	age
05:49	realtinymonster	or lack thereof
05:50	* realtinymonster	> Lemon > nman
05:51	VanessaE	Vazon: *looks at the patch*
05:51	VanessaE	Vazon: ultimately it's like 3 lines
05:51	realtinymonster	lol
05:51	VanessaE	the rest is not really active code but debugs and some light calculations
05:52	realtinymonster	me is sad
05:52	VanessaE	however plants_lib won't be able to spawn stuff inside a snow biome :(
05:52	VanessaE	but the way this reads
05:53	VanessaE	by the*
05:53	Vazon	no but its better than nothing, and VanessaE can you jsut write a code to spawn the moretrees saplings on the snow?
05:54	Vazon	that would put moretrees in snow
05:55	VanessaE	there is already such code in place.
05:55	VanessaE	but Splizard's code is blocking it.
05:56	VanessaE	the couple of trees that I thought were suitable to grow in snow are already in moretrees and are already programmed to spawn
05:56	realtinymonster	This is a test of /quote
05:56	VanessaE	but the way this code reads, they will never grow :-/
05:57	realtinymonster	y?
06:00	realtinymonster	Vazon: how u keep ur sis awake?
06:01	realtinymonster	:/
06:01	realtinymonster	fts moment
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06:25	Zeno`	how do I get the player's name? e.g. in on_use?
06:25	Zeno`	I have user, but check privs wants a string
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06:29	Zeno`	local playername = user.get_player_name(user)         ??
06:30	VanessaE	no idea
06:30	Zeno`	hmm
06:30	VanessaE	except that I think a placer or puncher or similar object is passed to the on_use call isn'tit?
06:30	VanessaE	user
06:31	Zeno`	this is the code: http://pastebin.com/dzzY5ayc
06:31	VanessaE	so user:get_player_name()
06:31	Zeno`	user is passed
06:31	Zeno`	oh it's : and not . ?
06:31	VanessaE	colon yeah
06:31	VanessaE	syntax sugar
06:31	Zeno`	ok thanks
06:32	Zeno`	doesn't seem to work anyway... lets me do it even without the priv lol
06:41	Zeno`	hmm
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06:43	WindHero	j #moontest
06:43	WindHero	fail :P
06:44	celeron55	fuck, i broke minetest.net and i don't even know how
06:44	WindHero	D:
06:45	WindHero	500 error...
06:45	WindHero	does the site have the aforementioned error log?
06:46	WindHero	kaeza: I have a question regarding your ImageLoader mod
06:46	kaeza	do ask
06:47	WindHero	I exported a file through GIMP as a 24-bit, do-not-write-color-space-info
06:47	WindHero	but I still get "Unknown File Type" error
06:48	WindHero	I haven't touched the code for reading the image
06:48	celeron55	now it works
06:48	WindHero	although I have toyed with the palette.lua
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06:49	WindHero	any ideas on what I could be missing with the file format?
06:49	WindHero	local bmp, e = maploader.load(minetest.get_modpath("lottmapgen").."/images/map.bmp")
06:49	WindHero	^that's how I'm calling it
06:50	Zeno`	is it because the player is "singleplayer" (referring to my question, not WindHero's)
06:52	WindHero	looking at the logs to see your question...
06:53	kaeza	WindHero, not sure what options are available in GIMP's BMP export plugin. do you have a screenshot?
06:53	WindHero	lemme get one quick
06:55	asl	zeno`: user:get_player_name() -- no user in the ()
06:55	kaeza	also, `file yourimage.bmp` (assuming you have the `file` command)
06:56	WindHero	https://mediacru.sh/14kpiHWVca6Q
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06:56	Zeno`	asl, seemingly makes no difference. The latest code is http://pastebin.com/fsaaw0A0  and hasprivs seems always true
06:57	WindHero	Zeno`, do you have the priv off by default?
06:58	asl	is tester registered?
06:58	Zeno`	i've checked privs singleplayer and "tester" is not there... hmm
06:58	Zeno`	it is
06:58	Zeno`	minetest.register_privilege("tester", "Player can test unreleased features.")
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06:59	WindHero	do you need me to relin, kaeza?
06:59	WindHero	*relink
07:00	kaeza	no, got it
07:00	Calinou	hi
07:00	Calinou	Zeno`, why not just use “server” privilege?
07:00	WindHero	hi
07:01	Calinou	or “ban” (usually granted to moderators)
07:01	Calinou	also, if you want to restrict an item to a privilege, it's a better idea to add a command that gives the item, and functions with a particular privilege only
07:02	kaeza	hmm
07:03	kaeza	WindHero, Windows?
07:03	WindHero	yup
07:03	kaeza	ok...
07:04	kaeza	try this: change https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-imageloader/blob/master/imageloader.lua#L44 to `io.open(filename, "rb")'
07:04	kaeza	same here: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-imageloader/blob/master/imageloader.lua#L64
07:06	WindHero	testing...
07:06	WindHero	same error
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07:06	Vazon	ok back
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07:08	asl	zeno`: try using `minetest.get_player_privs` instead of `minetest.check_player_privs`?
07:09	WindHero	kaeza: thanks for trying, but I'm gonna log off for the night
07:09	WindHero	it's getting a bit late here
07:10	WindHero	cya!
07:10	kaeza	...
07:10	kaeza	oh well
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07:13	asl	zeno`: something like this i guess http://pastebin.com/m2H3haWM
07:17	* VanessaE	pokes kaeza with a locked sign request ;)
07:17	VanessaE	(I know I know, I keep harrassing you ;) )
07:18	* kaeza	slaps VanessaE with b0rked locked ovens and multiple font support
07:18	VanessaE	OOF *falls over*
07:19	kaeza	SOONâ„¢
07:19	asl	can someone recommend a server that has the newest technic + pipeworks?
07:19	VanessaE	asl: VE-Survival
07:19	kaeza	^ she has five
07:19	VanessaE	digitalaudioconcepts.com 30001
07:19	VanessaE	kaeza: sevel.
07:19	VanessaE	seven*
07:19	kaeza	oh right
07:19	VanessaE	(however only three have those two mods installed)
07:22	Calinou	kaeza, Carbone's locked furnaces should work well, they are in default mod
07:22	Calinou	however, no locked signs currently
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07:24	VanessaE	Calinou: you're welcome to import whatever bits of homedecor modpack you want to into Carbone (if kaeza agrees of course)
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07:25	kaeza	I forbid it!
07:26	VanessaE	haha
07:26	kaeza	J/K it's LGPL anyway
07:36	Vazon	man my internet is crapping out
07:40	Zeno`	asl, thanks I'll give it a go (sorry for the delayed reply, I had a phone call)
07:40	Vazon	brb resarting computer
07:41	Zeno`	haha crashed
07:41	Zeno`	hmm
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07:47	Vazon	ok back
07:48	VanessaE	wb
07:49	Vazon	Thanks
07:50	Vazon	VanessaE can you give me a git-gui that would work with Ubuntu
07:50	Vazon	i cant seem to find a decent one
07:50	VanessaE	nopers
07:50	VanessaE	I use the command line
07:52	Vazon	command line?
07:52	VanessaE	shell.
07:54	Vazon	VanessaE: how long till you realize I'm a noob when it comes to linux so I have no idea what shell means. :3
07:55	VanessaE	vazon: terminal?
07:55	VanessaE	you know, the linux equivalent to the Windows DOS Cmd prompt?
07:55	Vazon	o yes i know what the terminal is
07:55	VanessaE	(or rather, Cmd prompt is the Windows equivalent to a unix terminal+shell)
07:56	VanessaE	the shell is the program that the terminal calls forth that gives you the "$" prompt.
07:56	VanessaE	a command line or CLI is another word for the same thing.
07:57	Vazon	ok
07:57	Vazon	im just trying to add textures to my github repos
07:57	VanessaE	if someone says any of these terms, it means they're using a program that operates entirely within the terminal, just as if you did `ls` or something (only that there are many incredibly complex programs that are terminal-based)
07:57	VanessaE	that's easy.
07:57	VanessaE	cd /path/to/your_mod_folder
07:58	VanessaE	git add textures/
07:58	VanessaE	git commit -m "added textures"
07:58	VanessaE	git push
07:58	VanessaE	that last command assumes that your repository is already established, e.g. git already knows where to push to.
07:58	VanessaE	(it will if this repo has been used before)
07:59	Vazon	ok, is there one to add a whole file including textures to a repo?
07:59	VanessaE	yes
07:59	VanessaE	git add .
07:59	VanessaE	(with the period)
08:00	Vazon	ok
08:00	VanessaE	that adds everything in the current directory and everything recursively from there on down
08:00	VanessaE	so like, if you copy some textures in, and a new .lua and say you made changes to the README and a bunch of other shit, and you wanna add it all together into one big commit,
08:00	VanessaE	you just,
08:01	VanessaE	git add .
08:01	VanessaE	git commit -a -m "Made a bunch of changes:  <and put the list here what you did> "
08:01	VanessaE	git push
08:01	VanessaE	(the extra -a tells git to also push any deletes to the repo)
08:02	Vazon	ok i will try
08:02	VanessaE	wait,
08:02	VanessaE	before you do
08:02	VanessaE	do this please:
08:02	Vazon	?
08:02	VanessaE	git remote -v
08:02	VanessaE	and paste the result here
08:02	VanessaE	IF it's only a few lines
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08:03	Vazon	fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git
08:03	Vazon	got that
08:03	VanessaE	ok, you have not initialized this repository yet
08:03	VanessaE	so you're starting a new project then?
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08:04	Vazon	im adding more vcore mod to github them maby soon brake it off into vcore and default_plus mods
08:04	Vazon	adding my*
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08:04	VanessaE	type this:   pwd    and press enter, paste the result.`
08:04	VanessaE	(relax, it stands for print working directory, not password. :P )
08:04	Vazon	/home/kodie
08:04	VanessaE	ah ok
08:04	VanessaE	you're not even IN your repository directoru
08:04	asie	hey
08:04	Vazon	lol idc if it does or doesnt
08:05	VanessaE	you need to cd into it first.
08:05	VanessaE	do you know where your vcore folder is?
08:05	Vazon	so cd /home/kodie/minetest/games/minerealms_game/mods/vcore ?
08:06	VanessaE	not exactly.
08:06	VanessaE	do this:
08:06	VanessaE	mkdir /home/kodie/minetest-mods
08:06	VanessaE	cp -av  /home/kodie/minetest/games/minerealms_game/mods/vcore  /home/kodie/minetest-mods
08:07	VanessaE	cd /home/kodie/minetest-mods/vcore
08:07	VanessaE	do you see what I did there?
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08:08	Vazon	not really, it looked like you took all the directorys and broke it down into parts
08:08	VanessaE	I copied your vcore directory to a new location and then went there instead of the original source
08:08	VanessaE	in essance, made a backup
08:08	VanessaE	essence*
08:09	Vazon	but isnt that one of the purpose of github? is a backup?
08:09	VanessaE	no
08:09	VanessaE	though it can be used for that purpose, that's not what it's for
08:09	Vazon	ok
08:09	VanessaE	shush and listen :)
08:09	Vazon	kk master ;)
08:10	VanessaE	what we're doing here is we're moving development of vcore away from minerealms and into its own directory where we can manage it separately.
08:10	Vazon	ok
08:10	VanessaE	that way changes to minerealms won't overwrite changes you may have made to vcore, and vice-versa.
08:10	Vazon	k
08:11	VanessaE	now, run those commands, and then poke around a bit inside the copy, familiarize yourself with the new files.
08:12	Vazon	ok
08:13	Vazon	ok
08:13	VanessaE	right, so now you know what's where.
08:13	VanessaE	next step:
08:13	VanessaE	you're in /home/kodie/minetest-mods/vcore  yes?
08:14	Vazon	yes
08:14	VanessaE	ok, go over to your web browser, sign into github, and create a new repository for vcore.
08:14	Vazon	already done
08:14	VanessaE	I see it
08:14	VanessaE	ok
08:14	VanessaE	next:
08:14	VanessaE	in the terminal now,
08:14	VanessaE	oh
08:14	VanessaE	you already have some stuff :D
08:15	Vazon	yes i put it in there by hand
08:15	VanessaE	ok, are these things you're willing to overwrite?
08:15	Vazon	yea
08:15	VanessaE	ok
08:15	VanessaE	git remote -v
08:15	VanessaE	let's see what the vcore repo says
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08:16	Vazon	kodiekodie-HP-Compaq-6530b-NN799UC-ABA:~/minetest-mods/vcore$ git remote -v
08:16	Vazon	fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git
08:16	VanessaE	ok
08:16	VanessaE	now, let's set it up.
08:16	VanessaE	git init
08:16	Vazon	Initialized empty Git repository in /home/kodie/minetest-mods/vcore/.git/
08:16	VanessaE	git remote add origin gitgithub.com:Vazon/Vcore.git
08:16	VanessaE	I think that's it
08:17	Vazon	it did nothing, thats good right?
08:17	Calinou	“Vcore” heh
08:17	VanessaE	yep
08:17	VanessaE	ok
08:17	VanessaE	git remote -v
08:17	Vazon	Calinou shut it-.-
08:17	VanessaE	let's see what it did
08:17	VanessaE	Calinou: hush :P
08:17	Calinou	it's the setting that alters CPU voltage, Vazon
08:17	Calinou	(usually)
08:18	Vazon	origingitgithub.com:Vazon/Vcore.git (fetch)
08:18	Vazon	origingitgithub.com:Vazon/Vcore.git (push)
08:18	VanessaE	Vazon: perfect.
08:18	VanessaE	ok, now:
08:18	Vazon	really?? i just came up with that name on the fly
08:18	VanessaE	git add .
08:18	VanessaE	git commit -m "initial commit"
08:18	VanessaE	git push -f
08:18	Calinou	git commit -am "Message."
08:18	Calinou	is an alias
08:19	Calinou	if you want to see your git log in a fancy way, install “tig” then use it
08:19	VanessaE	Calinou: don't confuse hium\
08:19	VanessaE	he barely knows the command line as it is :P
08:19	Calinou	OK
08:19	Vazon	ok done
08:19	Vazon	im learning :)
08:20	VanessaE	Vazon: git add . ; git commit -m "initial commit" ; git push -f
08:20	VanessaE	did you do that?
08:20	Vazon	yes
08:20	VanessaE	I don't see any change in the repository
08:20	Vazon	Permission denied (publickey).
08:20	Vazon	fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
08:20	VanessaE	ah ok
08:21	Calinou	using SSH protocol requires public keys; you can't use password
08:21	VanessaE	let's reset the remote for HTTPS then
08:21	Calinou	use HTTPS protocol to use password
08:21	Calinou	(have to type username and password every time though)
08:21	VanessaE	git remote remove origin
08:21	VanessaE	git remote add origin https://github.com/Vazon/Vcore.git
08:21	VanessaE	then try the git add/commit/push line again.
08:22	Calinou	setting git remote is how I migrated from GitHub to Gitorious :D
08:22	Calinou	I was surprised it was that easy
08:22	VanessaE	Calinou: yeah, force of habit; I use pubkey/ssh here at home
08:23	* VanessaE	pokes at Vazon
08:24	Vazon	internet is stalling again
08:24	VanessaE	ok
08:24	VanessaE	Calinou: why was it you switched?
08:26	Vazon	VanessaE: http://pastebin.com/EbAJrgU9
08:27	VanessaE	huh.  ok, `git remote rm origin` then.
08:27	VanessaE	weird, mine requires `remove`
08:27	VanessaE	do that, then do the `add origin https://...` line
08:29	Vazon	all better :D
08:29	VanessaE	yay!
08:30	VanessaE	I see your changes
08:30	VanessaE	congratulations
08:30	Vazon	shanks you VanessaE!
08:30	VanessaE	now, in the future:
08:30	VanessaE	make your changes to that folder, do:   git add . ; git commit ; git push    (and it will ask you to provide a detailed commit message this time)
08:31	VanessaE	and copy that folder to your minerealms_game dir where it belongs
08:31	VanessaE	that way this folder becomes your work directory where you do your active development
08:31	Calinou	VanessaE, told you already
08:31	Calinou	let's say I don't like GitHub…
08:31	VanessaE	Calinou: I forgot
08:31	VanessaE	but ok
08:31	Calinou	it's proprietary
08:31	Calinou	I would rather use something that has free backend
08:32	VanessaE	fair enough
08:32	Calinou	and supports free software more
08:32	Vazon	ok, another thing about the liences and readme.md's those confuse me. I dont knwo what liences to use or what i should put in readme's
08:32	Calinou	you can put anything in readme (eg. information on the mod); you have to put a license; if you don't know, use CC0
08:32	VanessaE	Vazon: if the code is entirely your own, the license is entirely up to you.  whatever you want to use.  if you borrowed someone else's code, you have to use the license they used (unless it was CC0, WTFPL, or "public domain")
08:32	Calinou	(it allows doing anything)
08:33	Calinou	bye
08:33	VanessaE	cya
08:33	Vazon	ok well i borrowed the chest code (stupid thing would never lock) and i copied over throwing mods code to make the bow
08:34	VanessaE	Vazon: as for README's, that's just a plain old text file that describes the mod.  whatever you want to write there.  totally free-form, like posting on the forums, but you need to take care to write in proper English with good, college-level grammar if you can.
08:34	VanessaE	as long as it's named README, it will be displayed at the bottom of the github repository page
08:34	Vazon	i can do grammer when i stop and think, but i type to fast to think when im talking on here
08:35	VanessaE	(if named README.md, github will try to interpret certain symbols in the text as a style language.  think BBcode as in the forums, but not the same syntax)
08:35	VanessaE	yeah, when you write the README, write it as if you're gonna submit it to one of your schoolteachers for gradinbg.
08:35	VanessaE	grading*
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08:37	Vazon	ok
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08:39	Vazon	Vanessa that has the 3d_ladders if you wanted to do the texture for it
08:40	VanessaE	I'll look into it later, not now though
08:40	VanessaE	too tired.
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08:40	Vazon	lol
08:40	VanessaE	I'm off to bed in fact
08:40	VanessaE	night :)
08:40	Vazon	ok night
08:40	VanessaE	remember:  you have to copy your changes back to your minerealms directory
08:40	Vazon	yes
08:40	VanessaE	ok, I'm out - bbl
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09:56	Zeno`	kaeza?
09:57	Zeno`	you realise that nobody is going to use minetest_irc with such a ridiculous rigmoral to get it working, right?
09:58	Vazon	what Zeno?
09:58	Zeno`	Vazon, have you "installed" the latest commit?
09:59	Vazon	no why?
09:59	Zeno`	because it doesn't work without spending hours jumping through hoops
10:00	Vazon	what do you mean?
10:00	Zeno`	do you use minetest-irc?
10:02	Zeno`	what I mean, btw, to be clear, is that it's broken
10:02	Vazon	o ok
10:02	Zeno`	I should *not* have to spend 5 hours compiling libs and stuff just to get it to work
10:04	Zeno`	I have doubts it works on any distro
10:05	Zeno`	I've just tried fedora, ubuntu, mint, centos, debian
10:05	Zeno`	it does *not* work on any of them
10:06	Zeno`	(well it does, if you like to spend 5 hours working out why it doesn't work)
10:09	asie	Zeno`: do you see a better solution
10:09	Zeno`	asie, before the last commit it worked fine
10:10	Zeno`	so perhaps that was a better solution?
10:10	Zeno`	sure, you had to do scons but at least it worked
10:10	asie	maybe
10:11	Zeno`	can you really see someone spending hours and hours to install a mod?
10:11	Zeno`	let me rephrase that. Is spending hours and hours installing a single mod reasonable?
10:16	Zeno`	I mean no disrespect to kaeza, but in my book it's "broken"
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15:00	TenPlus1	is there any way to place a schematic file and NOT have the airblocks replace map content ?????
15:01	Amaz	TenPlus1 doesn't air get replaced?
15:01	Amaz	*by default
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15:02	Jordach	TenPlus1, which *type* of schematic WE or .mts
15:03	TenPlus1	I'm placing a .mts file and anything surrounding it like grass etc is replaced by air...   I only want the trunk and leaves to appear and am looking for a way to stop it replacing ground content
15:03	TenPlus1	*an
15:05	TenPlus1	when the mapgen places the .mts files it's fine... nothing is erased... it's only when I place the file myself
15:06	TenPlus1	I tried    --replacements = {{"air", ""}}   which didnt work
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15:12	Jordach	try replacements = {{"air", "mapgen_air"}}
15:13	Jordach	or some silly thing that MTG based games use
15:17	Krock	(mapgen_air is used by built-in mapgens only afaik)
15:18	* sfan5	meows at Krock
15:19	* Krock	meows at sfan5
15:19	TenPlus1	trying mapgen_air
15:22	TenPlus1	nope, still replaces chunk around schematic tree... :(
15:26	TenPlus1	replacements =    should be able to change air blocks in the .mts file to "" so it doesnt overwrite surrounding nodes...    I cant think of any other way of doing it
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15:28	Krock	edit worldedit then
15:28	Krock	so it doesn't save"air"
15:29	TenPlus1	o.O
15:31	TenPlus1	is there an option for that ? or would I have to actually edit the code ?
15:32	* john_minetest	gives sfan5 a <'(((((((<
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15:46	Calinou	0AD is fun, even when you get pwned by the AI
15:47	m5	~up minetest.org
15:47	m5	~up minetest.org 30010
15:47	ShadowBot	m5: minetest.org port 30000 is down
15:47	Krock	TenPlus1, I don't know.. never looked at WE codes, maybe you have to add something like if(node[index] ~= "air") then add_to_save_node() end
15:47	ShadowBot	m5: minetest.org port 30010 is down
15:47	m5	!up minetest.org
15:47	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30000 seems to be down
15:47	m5	!up minetest.org 30010
15:48	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30010 is up (541ms)
15:48	m5	Okay
15:48	Krock	...
15:48	Calinou	m5, don't spam
15:48	Calinou	use ##minetestbot
15:49	Calinou	or /msg MinetestBot <command>
15:49	m5	Will it notice me with the result?
15:49	Calinou	it'll send it in query
15:50	Calinou	/notice is apparently ignored by MinetestBot
15:50	Calinou	use /msg
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16:04	ShadowNinja	Calinou: As it should.  Check RFC1459.
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16:04	Jordach	hey kaeza
16:05	kaeza	Jordach, o/
16:05	kaeza	afternoons all
16:08	Calinou	ShadowNinja, what's the point of notices?
16:10	ShadowNinja	~give Calinou g RFC1459
16:10	ShadowBot	Calinou: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459.html | Internet Relay Chat Protocol. J. Oikarinen, D. Reed. May 1993.
16:11	Krock	LOL I crashed a IRC server with one command
16:11	Krock	well done
16:11	Jordach	an*
16:11	Krock	yes, *an
16:11	m5	Which command Krock?
16:11	Krock	./mode #main The_coolest_evaaar Krock
16:12	Jordach	ShadowNinja, you really need to ninja someone, then say: ...you just got...ShadowNinja'd
16:12	ShadowNinja	Jordach: I have done that, multiple times.  :-)
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16:14	BlockMen	hi
16:15	Jordach	hey BlockMen
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16:15	m5	krock: It just sets +Ts
16:16	Calinou	fixed duplication glitch in builtin_item [carbone]
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16:27	Krock	m5, possibly a bug in the server software
16:28	* sfan5	gives john_minetest a kitten
16:28	m5	Which daemon was it running?
16:31	Piggybear87	pitriss, I got your mulitspawn mod and I can't set a new spawn. I do /spawnset and the GUI shows up. I put spawn name=Main, ID=main Number=1 x=0 y=2 z=0 and it doesn't show up in /spawnlist and when I /spawn I crash. Any help?
16:33	Piggybear87	Crap! Now I can't even get on that map!
16:34	pitriss	Piggybear87: there is fixed version on forum.. It is not in git just because it is not working with stable
16:34	Piggybear87	It works with -dev though?
16:35	pitriss	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=7639#p140695
16:35	Piggybear87	OK, Thank you good sir. I will try that.
16:37	Piggybear87	I copy/paste over the original init.lua?
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16:47	Krock	Wait... why is MT not using sqlite3 databases for cache again?
16:48	PilzAdam	Krock, because RAM is faster?
16:48	Krock	PilzAdam, I mean texture and sound cache, known as folder minetest\cache\*.*
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16:52	Piggybear87	pitriss, I messed up. I deleted origin and now I can't launch my world. What do I put in spawn.conf to fix this?
16:56	m5	http://i.imgur.com/IMcQrmK.jpg
16:56	m5	What's that?
16:56	m5	The inventory
16:59	Calinou	minetest.register_on_joinplayer(minetest.sound_play("player_join", {gain = 0.8}))
16:59	Calinou	crashes server with “attempt to call a number value” on load
16:59	Calinou	why?
17:00	Calinou	I put it in default/init.lua at the end
17:01	m5	http://i.imgur.com/IMcQrmK.jpg What's this inventory mod?
17:01	m5	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=8970
17:01	BlockMen	Calinou, try with minetest.after()
17:01	Calinou	this one looks good
17:01	Calinou	it's probably a recent one
17:02	Calinou	I'm adding player join/leave messages, BlockMen ;)
17:02	Calinou	useful to know when someone joins or leaves without looking at the chat
17:02	BlockMen	Calinou, the intention of your code was kinda clear :P
17:03	Calinou	I'll add another sound that plays localized too
17:03	Calinou	one plays unlocalized, one plays localized (if the player joining is nearby)
17:05	Calinou	invalid core.after invocation
17:05	Calinou	http://0bin.net/paste/4hXUyGx4EwijT-KF#zjoM41PlvvqLCX9TjDU2aRluOkddXhS9XPCWQnmYp/c=
17:06	Calinou	the count_items code works perfectly
17:06	Calinou	it bugs at the player ones
17:06	Calinou	oh
17:06	Calinou	it's just a typo
17:06	Calinou	still crashes on load
17:07	Calinou	the join sound plays when a player joins, then the server crashes with the “attempt to call a number value”
17:07	LemonLake	Why minetest.after?
17:08	LemonLake	Also, it might be because the function is local
17:08	BlockMen	Calinou, i ment like this: http://pastie.org/private/mqkxm604um04wt6zchj8g
17:08	kaeza	nonono
17:09	BlockMen	an code is wrong :D
17:09	kaeza	minetest.register_on_joinplayer(function(player) ...
17:09	BlockMen	*my
17:09	kaeza	^ that :D
17:09	BlockMen	kaeza, yes
17:11	RealBadAngel	http://pastebin.com/T9vdEkXd
17:12	RealBadAngel	that should work a bit better ;)
17:12	kaeza	4 people for 3 LOC! that's a record :D
17:13	kaeza	no, wait, the record is 2 people for a typo in an item description :P
17:13	Piggybear87	pitriss, Nevermind, I made another world and copy/pasted the spawn.conf and it works now.
17:14	Calinou	“end expected”…
17:14	Krock	Calinou, a bit late.. you might use minetest.register_on_joinplayer(function() minetest.sound_play("player_join", {gain = 0.8} end))
17:15	kaeza	+)
17:15	kaeza	also, you may want to use to_player=
17:16	Calinou	no, it should play to everyone, positition-less
17:16	Calinou	it's not a problem if it plays to the player joining
17:16	kaeza	ah k
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17:18	BlockMen	Calinou, when it should play to everyone it need a pos, doesnt it?
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17:23	Calinou	position-less sounds are much quieter, uh
17:23	Calinou	BlockMen, no
17:23	Calinou	if it has a pos, it'll be positioned
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17:25	* twoelk	hears that toilet flush again
17:25	Calinou	it works! :)
17:27	BlockMen	Calinou, what was wrong?
17:28	Calinou	adding death sound
17:28	RealBadAngel	to be positioned it needs a pos but also mono sound file
17:28	Calinou	found a gender-neutral one, but with downsides
17:29	RealBadAngel	stereo ones wont be positioned
17:31	Megaf	Hi all, any idea on how I can lower the ping?
17:32	Calinou	it's mono already
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17:32	Calinou	Megaf, use Ethernet instead of WiFi…
17:32	Calinou	apart of that, not much to do
17:33	Vazon	Good afternoon everyone
17:33	RealBadAngel	feed the dwarves that are carrying bits for ya with some chocolate
17:33	VanessaE	hi all
17:34	Vazon	Hi VanessaE, i added a readme to my file last night. :)
17:36	VanessaE	god deal
17:36	VanessaE	good*
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17:38	Vazon	i did put the licence in the readme, is that alright?
17:39	Calinou	yes
17:39	Calinou	you can put it in a separate file too
17:39	Vazon	ok
17:39	Calinou	hi VanessaE
17:40	Calinou	Carbone is getting sound improvements and player animation ones (fix legs, slower idle animation, show animation when building like the local anims)
17:41	VanessaE	cool
17:44	Ritchie	Piggybear87: try to delete or move away that spawn.conf if your map won't start, minetestserver should say to terminal or debug file what went wrong
17:45	Sokomine	ah yes. saw a server with carbone yesterday. it gave new players a nice set of materials. the mossy cobble and desert cobble textures appear to look diffrent. i'll check how well they work on a house
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17:46	Piggybear87	Ritchie, I fixed it. I just made a new world and copy/pasted the spawn.conf to my original world.
17:46	Vazon	TrainwreckTony's  server is the one that runs Carbone
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17:48	Vazon	My server runs a Carbone and minetest game mix
17:49	Jordach	TIL windows media player sorts music better than iTunes
17:50	Calinou	adding mob punching sounds (when they punch you)
17:50	Calinou	Sokomine, I changed many textures recently
17:50	Calinou	looks better to me…
17:50	Jordach	GARRRHHHHHH
17:50	Calinou	made them myself
17:51	Jordach	why do people use the tripe dots when grammatically they're wrong!
17:51	Calinou	Sokomine, also added join/leave sounds, death sound, mob death sound, mob punching sound
17:51	Jordach	-
17:52	Vazon	Jordach...
17:52	* Jordach	can feel the rage building
17:53	Vazon	Jordach just calm down everything will be ok...
17:53	Jordach	don't make me /msg chanserv op #minetest Jordach
17:54	* m5	waits
17:54	Vazon	O please not that... xD
17:55	Calinou	max_hear_distance doesn't appear to even function
17:55	Calinou	why?
17:55	Calinou	my sounds are mono and positioned
17:55	LemonLake	It does for me?
17:56	Vazon	Calinou that would be something very nice to have so someone cant spam the god for saking toilet in the homedecor mod -.-
17:56	kaeza	hm? wasn't that bug fixed already?
17:57	Calinou	sounds with posittion play in a very short distance :(
17:57	Calinou	I want most of my sounds to be hearable from 32 blocks away, and fireball from a bit more
17:57	kaeza	(re: HD toilet sounds)
17:57	Vazon	maby im using a out dated version but i could have sworn i updated it.
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17:59	* Calinou	is now pushing all that…
18:00	VanessaE	Calinou:
18:00	VanessaE	join #minetest-technic please
18:00	VanessaE	your input is needed.
18:03	Calinou	pushed!
18:05	Calinou	Added player join, leave and death sounds; added mob punching sound; more mob sound events added; fixed missing texture error in breath bars; slightly larger arrows in the world; play the mining animation while building (on other players); code cleanup.
18:08	Vazon	Calinou wont player join and leave sounds be a problem if you havea big server that has alot of people leaveing and joining in a small amount of time???
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18:10	Calinou	you can comment the code out, it's in default/init.lua
18:10	Calinou	it's not a problem for servers up to ~15 players
18:10	Calinou	if you have more, remove sound or reduce its volume
18:10	Calinou	player death sound is purely local, only plays to nearby players
18:10	Piggybear87	RealBadAngel, In Technic, what are the; Template motor, Template, Template(replacing), and Template tool? Are they needed, and, if not, is there a way to disable them? The textures refuse to load for me, so I don't what them if I don't need them.
18:11	Vazon	Piggy just remove the code for them, simple as that
18:12	Piggybear87	Vazon, I'm not very good with Lua, I don't know which part of the code to remove.
18:13	Calinou	what error message do you get?
18:13	Calinou	the texutre may not be correctly named; in this case, you only have to rename a texture :)
18:14	Vazon	Calinou there is no textures
18:14	Vazon	at least not when i checked
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18:16	Piggybear87	I don't get any, just the textures don't load. Also, more item = more lag, so, if they're not needed I can just remove them. I wish it was layed out like Mesecons, and could enable/disable separate parts in the configure menu.
18:16	VanessaE	items don't add lag.
18:16	VanessaE	only active code will do that.
18:17	VanessaE	they do add startup time,
18:18	Piggybear87	I know when I have a lot of Technic or Mesecons I lag like crazy.
18:18	VanessaE	but if you run a server, that really isn't a concern
18:18	Piggybear87	On Landrush, I'm fine until I go to my "lab".
18:18	Piggybear87	Then 1-2 FPS.
18:20	Calinou	ServerError: /home/calinou/.minetest/games/carbone/mods/default/init.lua:82: attempt to call field 'set_physics_override' (a nil value)
18:20	Vazon	I removed all mv and hv machines from my technic.
18:20	Calinou	minetest.set_physics_override doesn't exist?
18:20	Piggybear87	Also, what does the wrench do?
18:20	Calinou	Piggybear87, Technic or Mesecons have lots of active code (some parts of it)
18:20	kaeza	Calinou, isn't it player:set_physics_override() =
18:20	kaeza	-=+?
18:20	Calinou	a stripped down Mesecons can be quite lightweight
18:20	Vazon	Piggy you can pick up chests that have stuff in them
18:20	Calinou	kaeza, OK
18:20	Vazon	hold shift and right click the chest you want to pick up
18:21	Piggybear87	Wow, That sounds like stealing central on a server...
18:21	Piggybear87	Calinou, I'm in the process of doing that, I just can't figure it out. Lol.
18:21	Vazon	if you dont own the chest(chest is locked) you cant do anything, but yes yo ucan just run around and steal peoples chests
18:22	Piggybear87	Well, I have Landrush Landclaims, so it should be OK. Right?
18:23	Piggybear87	How do I get Drops? (Just the auto pick up part)
18:25	RealBadAngel	vazon, removing code from mod doesnt speed the game at all
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18:25	Jordach	hey jordan4ibanez
18:25	Vazon	Yes im aware i just dont want all hv and mv  machines running that will lag the server so i removed them
18:25	jordan4ibanez	Hello Jordach
18:26	VanessaE	Piggybear87: auto-pickup is the item_tweaks mod.
18:27	VanessaE	https://github.com/minetest-technic/item_tweaks
18:27	Piggybear87	Getting that will install just auto pick up?
18:28	VanessaE	by default, auto-pickup and drop-on-dig are disabled
18:28	VanessaE	install that and enable one or both in your minetest.conf
18:28	Piggybear87	OK, Thanks.
18:28	Calinou	auto-pickup is dangerous with on_punch collecting the item: duplication is possibl
18:28	VanessaE	enable_item_drops = false
18:28	VanessaE	enable_item_pickup = true
18:28	VanessaE	remove_items = 600
18:29	Calinou	Carbone fixed that today
18:29	Calinou	remove on_punch definition
18:29	VanessaE	Calinou: I think item_tweaks also fixed that
18:29	Calinou	(I managed to duplicate stuff while playing locally…)
18:29	* VanessaE	pokes RealBadAngel
18:29	Calinou	however you can't pick up stuff with left click anymore
18:29	Calinou	(probably not a big problem)
18:29	Jordach	Calinou, quit the ... it's pissing me off
18:30	Jordach	thats grammatically incorrect
18:30	Calinou	… … … … ... … … ...
18:30	* Jordach	grumbles
18:30	Calinou	do you have Warsow, Jordach?
18:30	Calinou	I fixed 1.5 (to open console)
18:30	PenguinDad	beep… beep… beep…
18:31	Calinou	so I can finally actually play it
18:31	kaeza	···
18:31	PenguinDad	·.·
18:31	Jordach	DAMMIT
18:31	Jordach	just tried to do my chanserv cmd and typed it elsewhere
18:31	kaeza	Jordach, opping for no good reason is bad, mkay?
18:33	Piggybear87	To remove built-in mods (bones) I just delete the folder, right?
18:33	Vazon	yes Piggy
18:34	Piggybear87	Thanks. Bones pisses me off, and fire is bad...
18:35	Krock	<3 bones
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18:35	Jordach	<3 extreme bones
18:35	kaeza	<3 drop items on death
18:36	Jordach	items left in bones are lost over time
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18:37	SnowD	Heya!
18:38	SnowD	What are you people using to check LUA syntax?
18:38	Krock	lua is not caps
18:39	SnowD	sorry
18:40	kaeza	Krock, https://github.com/mniip/LUA
18:40	LemonLake	I used to use Eclipse + Koneki but it doesn't work on Linux so I just use Sublime Text to write it and my brain to check the syntax.
18:40	PenguinDad	yay! ⋱o⋰
18:40	kaeza	lol PenguinDad
18:40	SnowD	/o\
18:40	RealBadAngel	SnowD, http://www.geany.org/
18:41	Krock	kaeza, aaagh everything caps
18:41	RealBadAngel	geany is aviable for both windows and linux
18:41	LemonLake	http://imgur.com/gallery/Hcop2
18:41	Vazon	Kaeza i added a private death message that tells you where died, to me dropondie
18:41	SnowD	sure, it's better to do syntax with the brain
18:42	SnowD	but I'd like to focus on the code and leave the computer-work to the computer ;D
18:42	RealBadAngel	SnowD, http://i.imgur.com/kt1l3xJ.png
18:42	SnowD	that looks pretty neat!
18:42	RealBadAngel	it has highlight syntax for many languages
18:43	LemonLake	omfg
18:43	LemonLake	it should start using it
18:43	LemonLake	but I gave up modding for minetest
18:43	Sokomine	calinou: sounds are wasted on me. i seldom have my speakers on. but nice textures are always welcome
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18:44	Krock	damn, can't figure out what the reason for this lag is
18:44	LemonLake	maybe because there are 4 items in the code
18:45	LemonLake	</sarcasm>
18:45	Krock	524 actually
18:45	LemonLake	4 specific ones I mean
18:45	Krock	oh yes
18:45	Krock	air, ignore, nyan cat, rainbow
18:45	LemonLake	dassit
18:45	Krock	:3
18:45	LemonLake	get rid of those 4
18:45	LemonLake	then it will work
18:46	Krock	how???
18:46	LemonLake	hmmmmmmmmmmmm
18:49	Calinou	Sokomine, they're useful if you keep Minetest minimized
18:52	LemonLake	actually that's also why they're annoying
18:52	LemonLake	add some sort of setting
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18:56	Krock	peer!
18:56	Krock	why?
18:56	LemonLake	./ban peer
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18:57	Calinou	/ban pear
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19:01	PenguinDad	Remote Host!
19:01	PenguinDad	Why do you close connections?
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19:05	ligeti	Hello :)
19:05	LemonLake	ohi
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19:16	Vazon	ok back
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19:27	Piggybear87	With the auto pick up. Is there a way to speed up the time from drop to pick up. Like instead of a few seconds, do it instantly?
19:28	Piggybear87	OldCoder, How's, the server coming along?
19:28	LemonLake	The reason it does that is so that you don't instantly pick it back up when you throw it
19:28	LemonLake	So, no
19:28	Piggybear87	Ah, OK.
19:29	Vazon	Piggy its up but  it keeps crashing, im trying to help determine the problem. i believe its xban2 it crashed my server just like landrush is crashing
19:30	bas080	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNSmEl_nWbk I'll let you be the judge.
19:30	Piggybear87	Oh, OK. I want to get back to my lab and find all of my stuff. Lol.
19:31	Vazon	piggy join, minetest.org port 30011
19:42	Vazon	facepaml
19:42	Piggybear87	It shut down.
19:42	Vazon	facepalm
19:42	Vazon	ok what did you last use piggy?
19:42	Piggybear87	Also, it's saying I'm doing my shop wrong.
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19:42	Vazon	ok
19:43	Vazon	rejoin piggy
19:43	Piggybear87	Do you have the server or something? Or ssh access?
19:44	Vazon	no i dont but i run minerealms server hosted by oldcoder so i am trying to pinpoint the problem
19:45	Piggybear87	Oh, how did you re launch it then?
19:45	OldCoder	Hi
19:45	Vazon	autorestart script that OldCoder has
19:45	OldCoder	Piggybear87, Landrush is up
19:45	OldCoder	Piggybear87, I will remove xban2 at Vazon suggestion
19:46	OldCoder	He states this will reduce crashes
19:46	Piggybear87	I'm on OldCoder.
19:46	OldCoder	Very well
19:46	OldCoder	Do you have a position on the xban2 issue?
19:46	Vazon	No i dont the server doestn seem to have it, there is something crashing it im having piggy test things
19:46	OldCoder	Actually that remark was for Piggybear87
19:47	Piggybear87	This is weird... On singleplayer with no mods, I get ~20 FPS, Right now I'm getting ~40.
19:47	OldCoder	Hm
19:47	OldCoder	What is weird?
19:47	OldCoder	That the system is fast? :D
19:47	Piggybear87	And, no, I don't have an opinion because I've never used it.
19:47	OldCoder	I may need to cap CPU because this system is needed for other things
19:47	OldCoder	But have fun
19:47	OldCoder
19:48	OldCoder	It may be faster after I build LuaJit
19:48	Piggybear87	Yes, I'm impressed, What is it running? CPU/RAM.
19:48	OldCoder	Octocore with 32GB RAM
19:48	OldCoder	There will be interruptions
19:48	OldCoder	The data center is moving this month
19:49	Piggybear87	HOLY SHIT! Nice! I found a bug/glitch.
19:49	Vazon	what is it Piggy?
19:49	Piggybear87	The drowning bubbles are hearts.
19:49	OldCoder	That is very poetic
19:49	Vazon	mhmmm
19:50	Vazon	indeed it is
19:50	Piggybear87	Shoot. I lost my switches and I need one...
19:50	Piggybear87	I should have dropped my sand...
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20:01	Piggybear87	Grrr....
20:01	OldCoder
20:01	Vazon	what was that Piggy, i heard a noise and it crashed
20:01	OldCoder	Shall I check logs?
20:01	Vazon	yes please i need to know the last thing that was done or the crash report
20:01	Piggybear87	I didn't hear a noise. I was walking toward the tool repair machine.
20:02	Vazon	mhmm
20:03	Piggybear87	Crap... Red or green GOES home?
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20:05	OldCoder	ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ...e/minetest/games/landrush_game/mods/
20:05	OldCoder	stack traceback:
20:05	OldCoder	[C]: in function 'ipairs'
20:05	OldCoder	...e/minetest/games/landrush_game/mods/intweak/init.lua:5: in function 'func'
20:05	OldCoder	/opt/minetest049/share/minetest/builtin/misc.lua:17: in function '?'
20:05	OldCoder	...minetest049/share/minetest/builtin/misc_register.lua:348: in function <...m
20:05	OldCoder	WARNING: Using commanded gameid [landrush_game] instead of world gameid [landru
20:05	OldCoder	WARNING: Mod name conflict detected: "plants_lib"
20:05	OldCoder	This is a couple of restarts back
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20:08	Vazon	hahaha i got it
20:08	Vazon	turrents
20:09	Vazon	the turrent sound went off and it crashed
20:09	Piggybear87	I didn't litter. You told me to drop it...
20:09	Vazon	lol i know Piggy i will have brandon replace it for you
20:09	Piggybear87	Them. It was a stack of 6.
20:09	Vazon	OldCoder can you disable turrents please
20:09	OldCoder	One moment
20:09	Piggybear87	:(
20:09	OldCoder	?
20:09	OldCoder	Piggybear87, what is the matter?
20:10	Piggybear87	I love the turrents.
20:10	OldCoder	Can they be fixed?
20:10	OldCoder	And what is the plant_* name conflict?
20:10	Piggybear87	They work fine on my server.
20:10	OldCoder	Piggybear87, Vazon do you two wish a copy of the evolving landrush_game.zip ?
20:11	OldCoder	Feel free to fix or tweak
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20:11	Vazon	yes please
20:11	OldCoder	Settle the turrents issue and get back to me
20:11	OldCoder	First, a moment; let me look at this plants_lib thing
20:11	Piggybear87	I have the latest from brandon's github.
20:11	OldCoder	What does the name conflict mean?
20:11	Vazon	OldCoder its just the snowmod not letting the plant_lib do its thing, its ok
20:11	OldCoder	Fix?
20:12	OldCoder	What may I patch
20:12	OldCoder	to remove the message?
20:12	Vazon	he has to install the latest git ofthe snow mod to fix that
20:12	OldCoder	It is me now
20:12	OldCoder	Not him
20:12	OldCoder	Indicate link
20:12	OldCoder	to clone etc.
20:12	jordan4ibanez	Hmmm, why do I get return 1 when trying to import irrlicht.h from "irrlicht/irrlicht.h"?
20:12	OldCoder	john_minetest, Hi!
20:12	OldCoder	john_minetest, get me your cat airship etc.
20:12	OldCoder	john_minetest, three worlds are back to full active
20:12	OldCoder	more to come
20:13	OldCoder	Vazon, indicate git link for proper snowmod
20:13	OldCoder	Vazon, I am needed elsewhere; are you present? I wish to give the two of you the ZIP but I can't wait
20:13	Vazon	https://github.com/Splizard/minetest-mod-snow/
20:13	Piggybear87	I have GOT to get me one of these 8 core monsters! I have no lag at all!
20:13	Vazon	and yes i am present
20:14	OldCoder	Vazon, this update is good? Won't break everything?
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20:14	OldCoder	us`0gb, hi
20:14	Vazon	jsut give me the link to the zip and yes keep his version there are texture differences
20:14	Vazon	that should fix it
20:14	OldCoder	Vazon, wait; so I should *not* fix snowmod?
20:14	OldCoder	What are you saying?
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20:15	Vazon	no its ok just leave the snow mod as is for now, i will get to that
20:15	OldCoder	Minute
20:15	OldCoder	I know
20:16	OldCoder	Ask him for them if you can
20:17	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/landrush_game.zip
20:17	us`0gb	Hello OldCoder!
20:17	OldCoder	Piggybear87, Vazon ^ please fix or remove turrets and snowmod
20:17	OldCoder	us`0gb, o/ There are three worlds up for now at 30010 30011 30012
20:17	OldCoder	on minetest.org
20:17	Vazon	will do
20:18	OldCoder	Including Landrush and Minerealms
20:18	OldCoder	Piggybear87, if you like the turrets help Vazon
20:18	Piggybear87	I don't know Lua very well, I'm sorry.
20:18	OldCoder	Thanks regardless. You may be able to help with testing.
20:18	Piggybear87	Hello us`0gb!
20:18	us`0gb	Nice! I don't currently have a client though. It'll be some time before I can make the pull requests needed to get my client up and running as well. Plus the wait time before the pulls are actually accepted.
20:18	us`0gb	Hey Piggybear87!
20:19	OldCoder	us`0gb, what is different in your client?
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20:19	* OldCoder	is focused elsewhere for the afternoon but will notice pings here periodically
20:19	us`0gb	OldCoder: My client allows one to disable that troublesome camera jerking that occurs when you take damage.
20:20	OldCoder	Hm
20:20	OldCoder	Email or paste the patch
20:20	OldCoder	Are you Windows?
20:20	OldCoder	I can build you a client
20:21	OldCoder	Should be easy to remove then
20:21	us`0gb	john_minetest: Well, it makes filling holes as you die in lava nearly impossible. Repair is just to darn hard with that "feature".
20:21	us`0gb	OldCoder: The hard part is allowing a setting for people who still want it.
20:22	OldCoder	Ah
20:22	OldCoder	How about this
20:22	us`0gb	That and getting the higher-ups to accept such a setting.
20:22	OldCoder	Leave it on by default but check an ENV variable and disable
20:22	OldCoder	Easy to implement; just a few lines of code
20:22	us`0gb	#(Some people here are against reconfigurability.)
20:22	OldCoder	you would do
20:22	OldCoder	set shakycamera=no
20:23	OldCoder	before running MT client
20:23	OldCoder	very easy to implement
20:23	us`0gb	OldCoder: That's my plan, but I'm no C++ wiz, so it takes time. Plus, I'm too busy to put in that time right now.
20:23	OldCoder	all right
20:24	Vazon	Piggybear87: 75.131.40.131 port 30000
20:26	Piggybear87	Straight black screen. I can't join.
20:26	Vazon	yes your in the ground lol
20:26	Piggybear87	Ok.
20:26	Vazon	im trying to grant you privs but you keep leaving
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20:36	VanessaE	if your screen is black, you're probably buried.
20:36	VanessaE	try blindly digging a hole and placing a torch if you have one
20:36	Vazon	i cant seem to replicate the crash on my end
20:36	OldCoder	VanessaE, Landrush is up though a bit crashy due to turrets
20:37	OldCoder	Nether edit worked; trimmed about 2GB
20:37	VanessaE	OldCoder: you mean dan's turrets from the camo modpack?
20:37	OldCoder	Ask Vazon he has details
20:37	VanessaE	get the fuck rid of those post-haste.
20:37	OldCoder	Vazon, Piggybear87 ^
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20:37	Vazon	OldCoder its not crashing on my end
20:37	OldCoder	VanessaE, Piggybear87 says he likes turrets; is there a good version?
20:37	VanessaE	there is no good version - they will shoot at their owners too
20:37	VanessaE	AND at server admins
20:37	OldCoder	Isn't that fun?
20:37	Vazon	Turrents are fine, and these dont shoot htere owners
20:38	OldCoder	Vazon, can the crash issue be fixed?
20:38	Vazon	OldCoder i cant replicate it, im switch snow mods now
20:39	Piggybear87	VanessaE, They are from Landrush, I'm unsure who made the mod, but I downloaded mine from brandon's/bremaweb's githud.
20:40	us`0gb	john_minetest: Well, a world made of cubes is not realistic. The jerking makes the game unusable for me.
20:41	VanessaE	Piggybear87: might be the same mod, dan probably got the ones in camo modpack from landrush also
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20:43	Piggybear87	Oh. OK.
20:44	OldCoder	Vazon, is there any evidence that turrets are actually crashing? where is this "ipairs" call that failed?
20:44	Vazon	Got it
20:44	Piggybear87	What was it?
20:44	* john_minetest	looks out the window
20:45	Vazon	i dug your shop and placed it elses where some how
20:45	Piggybear87	I didn't own the area and it's not locked.
20:45	us`0gb	john_minetest: Not last I checked. Unless you're on some pretty decent drugs and have been playing Minetest too long.
20:46	Vazon	mhmm
20:46	Vazon	try again
20:48	OldCoder	Vazon, here?
20:48	OldCoder	intweak mod crashed
20:48	Vazon	no im talking to Piggybear i was able to replicate the crash but gave me no debug
20:48	OldCoder	I am going to give you the logs
20:49	OldCoder	Work through the errors when you can
20:49	Vazon	ok
20:50	Vazon	Piggy what did you do?
20:50	us`0gb	john_minetest: No. It makes vibrations, but the brain translates vibrations to sound. No brain, no sound.
20:50	Piggybear87	Gah! It wasn't owned again.
20:50	OldCoder	http://minetest.org/landrush.txt
20:50	Vazon	ok so the vendors seems to be the bug lets test again
20:50	OldCoder	Vazon, review that ^
20:50	OldCoder	Fix the intweaks mod
20:51	VanessaE	john_minetest: that age old question has a simple answer:  yes, because the vibrations from the sound need not be *heard* to be sensed.
20:51	VanessaE	:)
20:51	us`0gb	john_minetest: Okay, my bad then.
20:51	us`0gb	Then it does make a sound.
20:52	us`0gb	You really have to look at the definition of "sound" to know the answer.
20:52	VanessaE	sound can also propagate through solid materials
20:53	VanessaE	and yes it has been - seismic waves.
20:53	VanessaE	the tides :)
20:57	Piggybear87	Vazon, Now what? Lol.
20:57	Vazon	i think its the vendors
20:57	Piggybear87	Can't be. It works on mine.
20:58	Vazon	mhmm
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21:00	Vazon	jsut removed intweaks
21:01	Vazon	and replaced bultin_items and item_drop with mine
21:02	VanessaE	with "mine" ?
21:03	Vazon	VanessaE the ones  use on my server they are edited
21:03	VanessaE	oh
21:03	VanessaE	don't use item_drop if you're running recent git
21:03	VanessaE	dropped items will be destroyed if you do.
21:03	VanessaE	it is not compatiblre.
21:03	VanessaE	-r
21:04	Vazon	well intweaks isnt work so :P
21:04	VanessaE	intweaks?
21:04	Vazon	inventory tweaks i think
21:04	Vazon	t has the tool breaking sound and stuff
21:05	VanessaE	oh
21:05	LemonLake	hello people
21:05	VanessaE	hi LemonLake
21:05	LemonLake	i'm bored to bones, any ideas?
21:05	VanessaE	code something?
21:05	LemonLake	code what?
21:06	Vazon	ummm
21:06	Vazon	what did you just do? you tossed a vendor and it crashed with the vendor floating away xD
21:06	Piggybear87	Yep, that's what I did.
21:07	Vazon	mhmm
21:07	Piggybear87	Read the logs. See what happened.
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21:09	Vazon	nothng last thng i saw was Irrlicht log: Unsupported texture format
21:21	LemonLake	I feel like adding something to factory but idk what
21:27	Piggybear87	VanessaE, Bushes is part of your plant mod, right?
21:27	LemonLake	Is there some sort of project view in Geany?
21:27	LemonLake	So I can have all the files open in a sidebar for easy switching?
21:28	Piggybear87	Did you know that you can't get rid of them? I have to dig the dirt and let it fall.
21:28	VanessaE	Piggybear87: bushes_classic is
21:29	VanessaE	there's another bushes mod that's part of the Undergrowth modpack though
21:29	VanessaE	both of them use plants_lib
21:29	Piggybear87	Yeah. I can't chop them down.
21:29	VanessaE	you CAN get rid of them, this is bu design
21:29	LemonLake	VanessaE: You use geany right?
21:29	LazyJ	Piggybear87, use shovels to dig the bushes.
21:29	VanessaE	dig by hand to get berries, use a shovel to retrieve the bush
21:30	LazyJ	They are tool specific.
21:30	VanessaE	use an axe to get sticks from the bush
21:30	VanessaE	use a pickaxe to destroy it entirely.
21:30	VanessaE	LemonLake: I use gedit.
21:30	LemonLake	ah, damn
21:30	LemonLake	might just go back to sublime tbh
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21:31	LemonLake	So I'm thinking of making something where you can feed in water and lava/fuel (lava = faster) and it will turn ores into ingots, but a chance of getting more ingots than usual
21:31	Piggybear87	Oh, OK. I was using diamond sword.
21:31	LazyJ	Another topic for VanessaE to juggle, ;)- , PlantLife appears to be working with Snow but MoreTrees doesn't show up until well away from any snow biome.
21:31	LemonLake	How many more ingots should it make?
21:32	LazyJ	Berry bushes and ivy have been sprouting in snowy areas.
21:32	VanessaE	LazyJ: yeah I know
21:32	VanessaE	Splizard says that's normal for now, it's just a workaround he added
21:33	LemonLake	ok, you're all busy
21:33	LazyJ	mHmm..
21:33	VanessaE	LemonLake: your idea is good actually
21:33	VanessaE	however, a default furnace can already do that
21:33	LemonLake	It's just finding a way to make it balanced
21:33	VanessaE	it can use lava buckets as fuel
21:33	VanessaE	but it's not any faster than other fuels I don't think
21:33	LemonLake	Not like that :P
21:33	LemonLake	It'll melt them
21:33	VanessaE	it just lasts longer
21:33	LazyJ	Does MoreTrees require dirt or dirt_with_grass or the group "dirt" to spawn on?
21:34	VanessaE	LazyJ: I believe it expressly looks for dirt with grass
21:34	LemonLake	And vanessaE, the key thing is that it will be able to create more ingots than usual, specifically ingots though
21:34	VanessaE	LazyJ: check biome_defs.lua
21:34	LemonLake	also multiple ingots at once
21:34	VanessaE	LemonLake: look to technic for that - it does 1 ore -> 2 dust -> 2 ingots
21:34	VanessaE	via a grinder
21:34	LemonLake	hmph
21:34	LemonLake	I'm really stumped for ideas :/
21:34	LemonLake	technic does pretty much everything
21:34	Vazon	this is very strange
21:35	LazyJ	I wonder what would happen if dirt_with_snow was added to what MoreTrees would grow on?
21:35	Vazon	Lazy it allready is but the snow mod is voiding it
21:35	VanessaE	LazyJ: already defined.
21:36	LazyJ	Ah.
21:36	Vazon	and the updated snow mod will not work with Landrush's mods for somereason
21:36	VanessaE	LazyJ: moretrees will try to spawn a certain type of small fir on snow
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21:36	VanessaE	but since snow mod's vmanip update, that's broken
21:36	realtiny	boo!
21:36	VanessaE	hi realtiny
21:36	LemonLake	hey realtiny
21:37	LemonLake	one problem I have is coming up with an idea for something that hasn't already been done
21:37	LemonLake	because if it's already been done, people bitch
21:37	LemonLake	and when people bitch, i flip
21:37	LemonLake	when i flip, someone gets killed
21:37	VanessaE	no one's bitching LemonLake
21:37	VanessaE	we're just advising that you not duplicate the effort, that's all
21:38	LemonLake	holy crap nbe looks weird on linux
21:38	LemonLake	that or i broke it
21:39	LemonLake	ah, nodeboxeditor has to be in the root dir
21:39	realtiny	lol, dont break stuff :P
21:39	LemonLake	aargh, I'm just really stumped....
21:39	LemonLake	maybe worldgens, but paramat or whatever his name is has made hundreds
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21:51	LazyJ	VanessaE, what does RealBadAngel's "item_tweaks" do?
21:52	VanessaE	it replaces item_drop
21:52	VanessaE	it just does the same thing but in a way that's compatible with current dev/git
21:52	LazyJ	I caught the comment you made about item_drop not working with recent MT releases.
21:52	LazyJ	What about builtin_items, is that still compatible?
21:52	VanessaE	I think so, not 100% sure
21:53	VanessaE	should be, though
21:53	LazyJ	Is item_tweaks stable or does RealBadAngel still have a lot to work on yet?
21:53	VanessaE	it's stable
21:54	LemonLake	it's learning
21:54	LemonLake	https://mediacru.sh/AvsdiArplqzU
21:54	VanessaE	I don't expect there will be many changes made to it except as needed to keep up with engine development
21:55	LazyJ	Ok, thanks, VanessaE. It's good to hear from someone who operates a stable server(s).
21:56	LemonLake	gnight folks
21:56	LazyJ	If RealBadAngel is listening (reading), perhaps adding a readme file to the repository would help explain what item_tweaks is and why.
21:56	LazyJ	I'm looking at the GitHub page now.
21:57	LazyJ	And just thought, "Hmm... VanessaE and RBA told me what this did a couple weeks ago but I forgot."
21:57	VanessaE	heh
21:59	LazyJ	Any usage instructions or things that need to be adjusted, checked first, etc.?
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21:59	LazyJ	Settings. That's the word.
21:59	VanessaE	enable_item_drops = false
21:59	VanessaE	enable_item_pickup = true
21:59	VanessaE	remove_items = 600
21:59	VanessaE	put those in your minetest.conf
21:59	VanessaE	afjust to your preference
21:59	VanessaE	adjust, too*
22:00	VanessaE	enable_item_drops is for dropping on dig.  enable_item_pickup is the magnetic pickup when you walk by an item
22:01	LazyJ	Oh, yeah. Will definitely disable the "drops" part.
22:01	VanessaE	and this mod makes dropped craft items into proper, 3d rotating item entities also
22:01	VanessaE	(if the engine isn't already doing that now, I don't remember which is responsible)
22:01	LazyJ	I think the engine is.
22:01	VanessaE	instead of ugly-ass always-facing-you sprites
22:02	LazyJ	RBA pushed a change recently and I've noticed something different about the dropped items but couldn't put my finger on it.
22:02	kaeza	nice var name https://github.com/minetest-technic/item_tweaks/blob/master/item_drop.lua#L38
22:02	LazyJ	What is a "blob"?
22:03	VanessaE	LazyJ: the engine merges dropped items into whole stacks now, the size of which indicates the amount in the stack
22:03	VanessaE	(well, code in builtin does)
22:03	LazyJ	Does this help fix the item_frames crashing issue?
22:03	VanessaE	kaeza: yeah I laughed at that one too :D
22:03	VanessaE	LazyJ: item_frames doesn't crash for me
22:04	VanessaE	kaeza: I think that's an anti-on-punch dupe fix
22:04	LazyJ	We had it installed about about a year ago.
22:04	LazyJ	Whenever a player punched the item in the frames it would crash the server.
22:05	LazyJ	What happens to the entities in the frames and on the pedestals after clearobjects is run?
22:06	VanessaE	they are destroyed :-/
22:06	VanessaE	and there's no way to get them back because that mod has not been updated in forever
22:06	LazyJ	Great.
22:06	VanessaE	only the owner of the pedestal can recover the displayed item
22:06	VanessaE	the item frame, you have to dig and re-place it and re-add your missing item
22:07	VanessaE	(you lose the destroyed item entirely during a /clearobjects)
22:07	LazyJ	The players will complain about that for sure.
22:07	VanessaE	yeah
22:07	LazyJ	Well, looks like item_frames will remain scratched off the list then.
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22:07	VanessaE	that mod needs a maintainer
22:08	VanessaE	zeg9 doesn't do much with minetest anymore
22:08	VanessaE	last commit to that mod was June 2, 2013.
22:08	VanessaE	er July 2
22:09	VanessaE	however it seems to suggest in the commit log that I'm wrong about item frames losing their entities
22:09	LazyJ	I have no idea how entities work.
22:09	VanessaE	dig and re-place them and they should come back
22:09	VanessaE	idk for sure
22:17	Vazon	VanessaE do you know if the creator of the darkage mod is still around?
22:17	VanessaE	Vazon: last visited in January.
22:17	VanessaE	seems like no :(
22:18	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3213
22:18	Vazon	well i have messed with it, removed the slabs and added it to the moreblocks mod
22:18	Vazon	i need to rework it tho but other wise i have a updated version of it
22:24	VanessaE	cool
22:26	Vazon	i have added a if minetest.get_modpath(moreblocks) then read the moreblocks.lua then else if not then load stairs.lua
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22:41	Vazon	VanessaE: I added my updated version of darkage to github https://github.com/Vazon/darkage/tree/master , should i post this on the forum?
22:42	VanessaE	yes
22:42	Vazon	ok
22:48	Vazon	there, posted
22:54	WindHero	kaeza: good news, I got it working
22:57	WindHero	I had to change a namespace, nothing more :P
23:20	WindHero	now to see if this biome map works...
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23:35	WindHero	welp....
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23:35	WindHero	it's a start :P
23:35	WindHero	it repeatedly reads from the first part of the file
23:35	WindHero	I have to do one of two things:
23:36	WindHero	1. completely rewrite how it reads the file so as to take it in chunks of 80^2 bytes of your choice
23:37	WindHero	2. load the whole image at the start of the game into a giant list, and figure out how to intelligently pick a portion of the list to read from
23:38	WindHero	1 is a bit beyond my current skill I think...
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