IRC log for #minetest, 2014-06-06

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00:21	Vazon	Hello Pggy
00:21	Vazon	Piggy*
00:21	Piggybear87	HELP!
00:21	Vazon	?
00:21	Vazon	whats wrong?
00:22	Piggybear87	I put a graphics card in my machine and at first it wouldn't turn on.
00:22	Vazon	oo
00:22	Piggybear87	Then I got it to start and now nothing but terminal and internet will launch.
00:22	Piggybear87	Is there a system restore on Linux like there is on Windows?
00:24	Vazon	idc really
00:24	Vazon	idk*
00:25	Piggybear87	My machine is mostly fried right now... I took the card out and switched back to integrated and it's doing the same thing...
00:26	Piggybear87	It had like a half page of error when it started up. I can't even re-install Lubuntu.
00:26	asl	there no system restore
00:26	Piggybear87	asl, Would you know what I could do?
00:26	VanessaE	you don't need a system restore
00:26	asl	but there might be a rollback on apt-get
00:26	VanessaE	you just need to select a proper driver.
00:26	asl	there is one in yum
00:27	Piggybear87	Even the softwaer update wont launch. I cannot get the driver.
00:27	Piggybear87	software*
00:27	asl	use the terminal
00:27	VanessaE	boot from a "live" CD like you did before
00:27	VanessaE	(or live USB or whatever)
00:27	VanessaE	they all have a repair mode in them that lets you get in there and fix stuff
00:28	Piggybear87	I can't. The machine wont boot from disk. I think I killed my computer...
00:28	VanessaE	you didn't kill anywthing
00:28	VanessaE	anything*
00:28	Piggybear87	Only 2 thing will launch. Firefox, and terminal.
00:28	VanessaE	if you can get to linux at all, you can boot from a live USB/CD/DVD also
00:29	VanessaE	booting from CD/DVD/USB does not boot from your hard disk, so it doesn't matter if your base system is hosed,.
00:29	VanessaE	you just have to tell your BIOS to boot from that media
00:29	VanessaE	then you do just that, and go in and fix what broke
00:29	VanessaE	or re-install if you can't just fix it
00:30	Piggybear87	I tried to re-install and it didn't work, it got to the language selection and froze.
00:30	VanessaE	sounds like you knocked something loose inside the machine when you had it open
00:30	VanessaE	check that your RAM is properly seated, other cards too
00:31	VanessaE	check that your CPU's heat sink is on securely also.
00:31	Piggybear87	I tried. This (and I think all) machines wont launch if the RAM isn't seated properly, and There are no cards in it at the moment.
00:31	VanessaE	if it is not, the CPU can overheat and lock up (or shut down) the PC
00:32	asl	i think that it doesn't need to boot from the live disk/usb since piggybear is able to open the terminal
00:33	Piggybear87	I'm on the machine right now, so it's not locked up, just half of the software is locked up.
00:33	VanessaE	yeah but if he's having lockup issues when he tries to boot from a live image, something bigger is going on
00:33	VanessaE	Piggybear87: wait a minute here
00:33	Piggybear87	OK.
00:33	VanessaE	did you actually SHUT DOWN and reboot with the live image?
00:33	VanessaE	or did you just try to launch it?
00:34	Piggybear87	Yes. Shut down and re-try.
00:34	VanessaE	ok just making sure
00:35	Piggybear87	asl, thereis no rollback, I just tried.
00:35	VanessaE	Piggybear87: what kind of onboard gfx?
00:35	Piggybear87	Intel something or other.
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00:36	Piggybear87	What's the command for the hardware?
00:36	VanessaE	what do you mea?
00:36	VanessaE	mean*
00:36	asl	open the terminal and type lspci or lshw
00:36	VanessaE	oh that
00:36	asl	that will show the hardware on the system
00:36	VanessaE	lspci, and look for "VGA compatible controller"
00:37	Piggybear87	That's it.
00:37	Piggybear87	Son of a... I can't even copy paste...
00:38	Piggybear87	00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
00:38	Piggybear87	There we go.
00:39	Piggybear87	I can't believe that me putting in a new (to me) video card would do this....
00:41	Exio4	i wonder one thing
00:42	asl	what's the new video card?
00:42	Exio4	why is programming as "kid" so weird, lots of people paint like gods, or play sports as kids and they aren't seen as weird things :(
00:42	Exio4	paint and/or draw
00:42	Exio4	i'm not even good at programming
00:43	Piggybear87	asl GeForce 6200A
00:43	asl	oh no, Nvidia :/
00:43	Piggybear87	It was in another machine and it was great.
00:44	asl	linux + Nvidia = bad
00:44	Piggybear87	Why?
00:45	asl	i quote you the reason
00:45	Piggybear87	Nah. I'm not watching a vid right now.
00:46	asl	anyway, try looking and installing the driver using apt-get from the terminal
00:46	Exio4	that geforce looks old
00:46	Exio4	you'd need legacy drivers
00:46	Exio4	newer drivers ain't working with that gpu
00:47	asl	apt-get doesn't even have search?! :/
00:47	asl	is `yum` by any chance install on your system?
00:48	Piggybear87	I tried to get the new driver, but the software updater gets stuck at "autherizing"
00:48	asl	use the terminal
00:49	Piggybear87	sudo apt-get what?
00:49	asl	idk, never use apt-get before
00:49	asl	try typing `yum`
00:49	asl	maybe it's install :P
00:49	Piggybear87	I went to their site and got it, where do drivers go on linux?
00:50	asl	by their site, i hope you don't mean the close source driver, i hope you mean nouveau
00:51	Piggybear87	It was an option in the "additional driver" thing.
00:51	Piggybear87	Where does it go?
00:51	asl	idk
00:52	asl	just try installing from the terminal using apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
00:53	Piggybear87	I already have the newest version.
00:53	asl	then idk
00:54	asl	reinstall the whole os i guess
00:54	Piggybear87	I CAN'T! It gets to the language selection and freezes
00:54	Piggybear87	.
00:55	asl	i mean dump ubunto and get another os
00:55	Piggybear87	I'm just getting use to Lubunt and it;s the only one my machine can handle.
00:55	Piggybear87	Lubuntu*
00:56	VanessaE	if it can handle Lubuntu, it can handle Xubuntu also.
00:56	Exio4	asl: apt-cache search
00:56	VanessaE	you need to do a full re-install from a known, clean image
00:57	asl	yum is still better i think, i recommend fedora xfce spin
00:57	Exio4	if it can handle Lubuntu, it can handle gentoo with KDE
00:57	Piggybear87	I just burned the disk not even 2 weeks ago.
00:58	Piggybear87	I also don't want to lose all of my stuff...
00:59	VanessaE	you won't if you are careful what you're doing.
00:59	asl	apt-cache froze and use all 100% of my cpu :/
01:00	Piggybear87	But I don't know Linux well enought yet to be careful. It's format/install with me...
01:00	VanessaE	so make a backup
01:00	VanessaE	go a thumbdrive?
01:00	VanessaE	got*
01:01	VanessaE	plug it in, copy your home directory to it
01:01	VanessaE	make sure everything's there
01:01	VanessaE	unmount, unplug
01:01	VanessaE	set it aside
01:01	VanessaE	re-format, reinstall
01:01	VanessaE	from known, good, safe, error-free media.
01:01	VanessaE	and if you can't even get your computer to get through language selection, either you have a bad burn, or you have a hardware fault.
01:02	VanessaE	recheck everything, including the disk itself.
01:06	Piggybear87	OK, where the hell do flashdrives show up? I'm used to mycomputer and boom, right there...
01:07	VanessaE	I dunno about LXDE but with XFCE you plug one in and it just pops up.
01:07	Piggybear87	Found it.
01:07	VanessaE	(LXDE is what you're using, XFCE is Xubuntu)
01:07	VanessaE	ok
01:08	Piggybear87	Great, I click on it and my file browser crashes....
01:09	VanessaE	piggy this smacks of bad or badly-connected RAM
01:10	Piggybear87	I don't even know why I care. I hate this machine. I put that card in to make my black Minetest sky and textures to stop.
01:11	Piggybear87	I can't even click my shutdown button...
01:11	VanessaE	sudo shutdown -h now
01:11	Piggybear87	I'll try to be back in a few...
01:11	VanessaE	(including the word "now")
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01:44	The_Beast	Hey
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03:54	Piggybear87	Oh my god, this sucks!
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03:59	Piggybear87	OK, I re-installed Lubuntu. Different HDD and DVD Drive, I do have that graphics card in (fingers crossed that it boots next time), updating the software, and next getting Minetest... Whew! This is a lot of work...
04:11	Vazon	well good luck Pggy
04:11	Vazon	PIggy*
04:13	asl	hi piggybear
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04:16	Piggybear87	Hello, hello.
04:21	Vazon	Hello
04:22	Piggybear87	I think my software updater froze...
04:23	Vazon	Piggybear i got convert to work with money mod :D
04:23	Piggybear87	Nice.
04:23	Vazon	took a bit but it works
04:25	Piggybear87	I hope this damn thing didn't freeze.... It's stuck at "Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin" It's been there for 10+ minutes...
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05:00	realtiny	OldCoder: i didn't get a chance to finish the moon city, life got in the way :/
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05:00	Vazon	realtiny thats ok, hes busy with rl
05:00	realtiny	nice
05:01	realtiny	vazon: ur sis ok?
05:02	Vazon	ya shes fine, we have to wait for her results
05:02	realtiny	ah k
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05:03	* realtiny	feels happy
05:03	realtiny	my summer break started today
05:04	Vazon	thats good
05:06	realtiny	yeah, more time to work on moontest
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05:09	realtiny	hi kaeza
05:09	kaeza	o/
05:10	realtiny	\o
05:11	realtiny	hmm, off to sleep, tomorrow is a big day
05:12	* realtiny	tells kaeza and vazon goodnight
05:13	Vazon	good nght tiny
05:13	Vazon	night*
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05:14	Zeno`	Hi. For a leveldb world, is there a way to ensure the database is up-to-date? I can't seem to copy the world to another server
05:14	Zeno`	without things going wrong
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05:23	Zeno`	I don't understand what's wrong
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05:30	Zeno`	do I need to set the seed or something?
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06:16	Zeno`	can i force leveldb to ensure all data are written?
06:16	Zeno`	or check integrity?
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06:36	CraigyDavi	~up craigd.24tails.com
06:36	ShadowBot	CraigyDavi: craigd.24tails.com port 30000 is up (482ms)
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06:44	WindHero	!tell Amaz I got a working beta version of the biome map loader! :D
06:44	MinetestBot	WindHero: I'll pass that on when Amaz is around
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07:10	OldCoder	Zzz
07:10	jordan4ibanez	no time for sleep
07:14	jordan4ibanez	Now I can actually read the source code for the game, it's a miracle
07:22	jordan4ibanez	Oh snap, maybe I can create different digging/placing animations for differnent types of items
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07:45	kaeza	make that configurable programatically via Lua, pls!
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08:56	* Jordach	quite likes Mirror's Edge
08:57	Jordach	runs at 45fps on my tower
09:00	Jordach	>bit difficult
09:00	Jordach	you try playing most PC -> XBOX games
09:03	Jordach	controls are even worse
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09:15	Jordach	lol https://stallman.org/puns.html
09:16	Jordach	PC games on xbox
09:16	Jordach	have to use a shoulder button to 180 when it's Q on PC
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09:34	Calinou	hi
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09:39	Calinou	how to change moon and sun texture?
09:40	Calinou	oh, mods can't change it, it's in base textures :(
09:43	PilzAdam	Calinou, simply put the texture in your mod's texture/ folder
09:44	PilzAdam	it will override the other one
09:50	RealBadAngel	its not true
09:51	RealBadAngel	those files has to be put either in texture pack or /textures/base/pack/
09:51	RealBadAngel	mods cannot overdide them
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09:53	Calinou	lol, rat on sheep
09:53	Jordach	action*
09:53	Calinou	PilzAdam, nope
09:54	PilzAdam	Calinou, file a bug report then?
09:55	RealBadAngel	PilzAdam, sun and moon textures are things to use with texture packs, not the mods
09:56	PilzAdam	RealBadAngel, games have to override it
09:56	RealBadAngel	so its not a bug
09:56	PilzAdam	imagine a space game
09:56	RealBadAngel	i can ofc, but its not how texture packs works
09:56	Jordach	the ordering would be: Texture Packs -> Games -> Mods -> Base Pack
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09:57	RealBadAngel	so open request for the feature
09:57	RealBadAngel	but not bug report
09:59	RealBadAngel	btw, there wouldnt be any issue with that if original pull of mine could be accepted
10:00	RealBadAngel	i mean replacing "precious and outstanding original sun" with same looking texture
10:01	RealBadAngel	if default would be using textures, replacing it by mods will be possible
10:01	RealBadAngel	so, report that to c55 rater :)
10:09	VanessaE	texture packs -> mods -> games -> base pack, imho.
10:10	VanessaE	a mod should be able to override a game
10:10	VanessaE	and a texture pack should override all.
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10:10	Calinou	why can't I open locked chests, but I can open locked furnaces? I have good player with interact privilege
10:11	Calinou	http://0bin.net/paste/gOTOdii61IHVOwvk#xJUmzR58aTB0HwPakpJtQ2/K2G7JsDqLr5RBi617lZk=
10:11	Calinou	here's nodes.lua
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10:12	Calinou	oh, no formspec
10:13	Calinou	fixed
10:13	Jordach	darp :P
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11:02	Calinou	http://servers.minetest.net/ â†’ a server's running Carbone (with several mob mobs though :s)
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11:46	jojoa1997	can anyone help me with this? http://pastebin.com/XYF9duCt
11:47	jordan4ibanez	Why is double there?
11:47	jojoa1997	what do you mean?
11:48	jojoa1997	should it be
11:48	jojoa1997	on_place = flowers.double(itemstack, placer, pointed_thing) end,
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11:54	jojoa1997	how would i be able to get the pos of the bottom node without makiing pos global?
11:54	jordan4ibanez	Try changine flowers.double to flowers_double in your function definition and when you call it
11:54	jojoa1997	ok
11:56	jordan4ibanez	You cannot have !@#$%^&*(){}:"<> in func vars
11:56	jordan4ibanez	Or spaces
11:56	jojoa1997	ok
11:57	jordan4ibanez	You can have periods but that's only used in classes
11:57	jojoa1997	then how come i see functions called default.name
11:57	jojoa1997	or is it because the default = {} was said before
11:57	Jordach	yes
11:57	Jordach	then default[key] = function
11:57	jojoa1997	so another mod would use default.name to go to the mod "default" and do the function name?
11:57	Jordach	wait
11:57	Jordach	WAIT
11:58	Jordach	use variablename.key = function
11:58	jordan4ibanez	because there was a table called default? I think? Wat
11:58	jojoa1997	ok so if i wanted to use the flowers.double i would
11:59	* Jordach	can't remember how to stick a function into tables
12:00	jojoa1997	would this work? /1G9MA_cBv-LI.png
12:00	jojoa1997	um no
12:00	jojoa1997	http://pastebin.com/69x0fiyx
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12:03	jojoa1997	i get this error http://pastebin.com/CmL1XkG8
12:03	jojoa1997	with this code http://pastebin.com/qmvb6EUF
12:04	jojoa1997	i am lost on how to fix the gloabl pos(nil) thing
12:06	jojoa1997	would
12:06	jojoa1997	local pos = pos
12:06	jojoa1997	pos.y = pos.y-1
12:06	jojoa1997	work?
12:07	jojoa1997	how to I get the pos of the node?
12:13	Jordach	pos is already local to that function
12:14	Jordach	remove local pos = pos
12:16	jojoa1997	now it says i am trying to index global pos a nil value
12:16	Jordach	you dont even need to edit pos.y
12:17	jojoa1997	function flowers_double(itemstack, placer, pointed_thing)
12:17	jojoa1997	pos.y = pos.y-1
12:17	jojoa1997	local name = minetest.get_node(pos).name
12:17	jojoa1997	that is what i have and it gives "attempt to index global 'pos' (a nil value)"
12:17	Jordach	local name = minetest.get_node({x=pos.x, y=pos.y-1, z=pos.z}).name
12:17	Jordach	^ that's what you should be using
12:17	jojoa1997	ok
12:18	Jordach	keep in mind that i feed a table into it
12:18	jojoa1997	ok well same error
12:19	PenguinDad	jojoa1997: change pos to pointed_thing.under
12:20	jojoa1997	here? pos.y = pos.y-1
12:20	jojoa1997	or the line after?
12:21	PenguinDad	jojoa1997: every pos in that function
12:21	jojoa1997	ok
12:21	jojoa1997	so like
12:22	jojoa1997	pointed_thing.under.y = pointed_thing.under.y-1
12:22	jojoa1997	or without the .y
12:22	PenguinDad	with the .y
12:24	jojoa1997	ok i tried something and it started
12:29	jojoa1997	well I got the game to work but http://pastebin.com/Z2KUm1aV
12:29	jojoa1997	code ^ and error > http://pastebin.com/WTVDbS7q
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12:31	raffahacks	hi
12:31	Jordach	TIL i can do ~30mph on a mountain bicycle
12:32	jojoa1997	how do i fix attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'under' (a table value)
12:33	Jordach	its probably performing math on a string
12:33	jojoa1997	um i have no idea how to fix this
12:38	jojoa1997	anyone have an idea on how to fix this
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12:39	PilzAdam	Jordach, SI or GTFO
12:40	jojoa1997	hi PilzAdam :D
12:40	jojoa1997	long time no see
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12:44	raffahacks	hi pilz
12:44	raffahacks	PilzAdam:
12:45	raffahacks	your nether teleports me in a 2 blocks wide place
12:45	raffahacks	just under me
12:45	raffahacks	no lakes of lava etc
12:46	raffahacks	can you help?
12:47	Jordach	PilzAdam, meh
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13:22	dynamodan	does anyone know where the sorting tube code is in the pipeworks mod? I can't seem to find it anywhere
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13:26	fireglow	dynamodan: https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/blob/master/item_transport.lua#L178
13:28	dynamodan	no, the filter isn't what I had in mind. I found what I was looking for, it's here:
13:29	dynamodan	https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/blob/eeff32781ceaefd15efb17c5d66c83940977e21d/tubes.lua#L246
13:29	dynamodan	the 6-way tube thingy with the different colors
13:29	fireglow	right
13:39	Amaz	!tell WindHero Wow. I saw the screenshot, and it looks amazing! Great job, and thanks so much!
13:39	MinetestBot	Amaz: yeah, yeah
13:39	Amaz	~tell WindHero Wow. I saw the screenshot, and it looks amazing! Great job, and thanks so much!
13:39	ShadowBot	Amaz: O.K.
13:40	Jordach	Amaz, yeah, yeah is one random i'll do it responces
13:40	Amaz	Right...
13:40	Amaz	I thought it was a bug before... Opps!
13:41	Amaz	Jordach, Good luck with your exams!
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13:44	rubenwardy	Hi all!
13:44	Amaz	Hello!
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13:46	Amaz	Is there any way to make a craft recipe using a group to output the item in the recipe belonging to the group? (I hope that makes sense)
13:46	rubenwardy	You can't put output = "group:name"
13:47	Amaz	I know...
13:47	rubenwardy	I don't know what you mean
13:47	Amaz	So what I want is a item that when it is crafted with something, to duplicate the thing it is crafted with...
13:48	rubenwardy	oh
13:48	Amaz	And I'm trying to do it using one recipe.
13:48	rubenwardy	Easiest way would be to make custom formspec
13:48	Amaz	Okay.
13:48	rubenwardy	or recipe = {"mod:dup_item", "default:sand"}, ouput = "default:sand 2"
13:48	Amaz	Yeah.
13:49	Amaz	I think that's what I'll do.
13:49	Amaz	I was just seeing if it was possible for me to do it in a lazy way!
13:51	rubenwardy	you could do >> for item in registered items do: recipe = {"mod:dup_item", item}, ouput = item.." 2"
13:51	rubenwardy	but multiple recipes
13:52	Amaz	Right.
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13:57	reactor	Hello.
13:57	reactor	Thousands of "19:57:32: ERROR[ServerThread]: Server::ProcessData(): Cancelling: No player for peer_id=1925"
13:57	reactor	Is that a DoS?
13:59	Jordach	one of those timeout bugs
13:59	reactor	Oh.
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14:00	proller	reactor, its sapier code
14:09	reactor	The same that used to output something like "peer not active, ignoring command"?
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14:10	* Zeno`	pokes VanessaE
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14:12	Krock	hi
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14:19	asie	http://blog.tian.io/mojang-threatens-lawyers-against-pay-to-win-minecraft-server-operators
14:19	asie	this is minetest's hope
14:19	asie	not even kidding
14:24	Krock	111 ppl online
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14:32	Amaz	I know that this is probably simple, but how do you make a craft recipe in which one of the items isn't used up, but remains in the crafting grid?
14:33	Krock	recipe = {..}, replacements = {{ "replace", "with this" }},
14:33	LemonLake	^
14:33	LemonLake	Just replace it with itself
14:34	Krock	(that allows tool repairing)
14:34	Amaz	Okay. Thanks!
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14:35	LemonLake	I'm not sure what to do with Factory right now
14:35	TenPlus1	Hi folks...
14:35	Krock	move to trash?
14:35	Krock	hi
14:36	LemonLake	Krock: Okay, done
14:36	LemonLake	Well now what do I do? o.o
14:36	Amaz	LemonLake Factory was great!
14:36	Krock	LemonLake, empty trash, get a data recover program
14:36	Krock	recover the files
14:36	TenPlus1	Could anyone give me advice on how to reduce server lag... I've checked many forums and have a collection of settings for minetest.conf but lag persists...
14:36	LemonLake	I just have no more ideas that haven't been done by default or technic etc etc
14:36	LemonLake	It's going nowhere
14:36	Amaz	Shame...
14:37	Amaz	I really liked it for my mordern worlds.
14:37	LemonLake	The mod still exists
14:37	LemonLake	I just don't know what to add
14:37	TenPlus1	LemonLake: which mod?
14:37	LemonLake	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9277
14:37	LemonLake	!title
14:37	MinetestBot	LemonLake: [Mod] Factory [0.4] [factory] - Minetest Forums
14:39	Amaz	I was hoping for new features...
14:39	LemonLake	Yes, but I have no ideas :/
14:39	Amaz	But I can't think of any either.
14:39	LemonLake	The only things I can think of have already been done or aren't unique.
14:39	OldCoder	Amaz, you wanted me to host your world?
14:39	OldCoder	I received email last night
14:39	LemonLake	I'm fairly certain there's an autocrafter in Technic
14:39	TenPlus1	how about adding hopper nodes that allow you to sort items and pass them on to different conveyors/tubes
14:39	Krock	false
14:39	Amaz	I believe that was FishyWET...
14:40	Krock	there's no autocrafter in technic
14:40	LemonLake	http://vanessae.github.io/pipeworks/
14:40	LemonLake	In pipeworks, though
14:40	Amaz	Just let me ask him to come on here.
14:40	LemonLake	TenPlus1: Like a filter? So you can have multiple belts coming from one, and the filter directs them
14:41	Amaz	That sounds awesome!
14:41	TenPlus1	exactly... the filter can tell what type of item it is (ore, food, dirt, leaves, wood etc. etc) and you can direct them acordingly
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14:41	LemonLake	Okay, I'll try that.
14:41	LemonLake	Ooh, types of items?
14:41	Amaz	Yay!
14:41	LemonLake	Maybe I can make another thing, something where you can put a load of items onto like a little card
14:41	TenPlus1	node groups can be used for that...
14:41	Amaz	Factory isn't dead!
14:41	LemonLake	the cards can be named, then put into filters as little groups
14:41	TenPlus1	great mod btw :)
14:42	LemonLake	Thanks :D
14:42	TenPlus1	Krock: do you run your own server dude ?
14:42	LemonLake	Okay, that sounds like some work so I'm gonna start that now
14:42	Krock	TenPlus1, I don't know of "Krock's Ultimative Platform."
14:43	LemonLake	Neither do I. Hmmmmm
14:43	TenPlus1	lol, could you give me advice on how to remove server lag....
14:43	TenPlus1	Xanadu is painfully slow of late and I've no idea why....
14:43	Krock	good question
14:43	Krock	I get lags up to 13s smetimes too
14:43	TenPlus1	am running 0.4.9 stable and before it flew like the wind, but as the world got larger so did the lag, even with 2 ppl on server only...
14:43	Krock	but I think, that's caused by world data saving
14:44	Krock	yeah.. suddenly it started lagging
14:44	TenPlus1	I've redone most of the mods to cut out abm's or work a different/faster way, but MAN it's still laggy...
14:44	Krock	known problem
14:44	Krock	bugged sapier about that "issue" too
14:45	fishyWET	OldCoder: were u looking for me?
14:45	TenPlus1	freeminer seems to have the server-side of things sorted out, shame minetest couldn't take a leaf from their book..
14:48	OldCoder	fishyWET, Hi. Noticed your email just now. Hold on.
14:48	LemonLake	VanessaE: You awake?
14:48	TenPlus1	the heat and cold feature in MT 0.49+ slows down everything, they removed this in hacked versions and it runs a lot quicker
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14:50	Krock	TenPlus1, weird, I noticed first lag +/- when they removed it
14:51	TenPlus1	the latest daily wouldnt even load the map, had to return to stable...
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14:52	Krock	lol
14:52	Krock	any error?
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14:53	TenPlus1	no errors just grey for minutes at a time until a slither of map would load...
14:53	TenPlus1	going back to stable helped a lot but lag is making server unplayable
14:53	Krock	yesh
14:54	Krock	I always ned to join 2 times to be able to play
14:54	proller	try freeminer/next - very stable networking, even on wifi networks with loss
14:55	Krock	proller, how come?
14:55	TenPlus1	I like the idea of "cache_block_before_spawn" though, cause players were being killed before world even loaded by noobz
14:55	OldCoder	fishyWET, what is Lord of the Test and what is interesting about the empty world?
14:56	LemonLake	Okay, factory is confirmed to work with pipeworks autocrafters
14:56	proller	Krock, https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/tree/next
14:56	LemonLake	since it very usefully uses the same inventory names as furnaces ^.^
14:56	Krock	proller, I mean, how were you/devs able to get it faster than classic MT?
14:56	Krock	s/classic/original
14:56	proller	impossible ;)
14:57	Krock	eh, I don't get it
14:57	proller	too many changes
14:57	Krock	k
14:57	TenPlus1	just the server specific ones
14:57	fishyWET	OldCoder: Lord of the Test is a game in Minetest that adds Lord of the Rings Element. It uses a custom mapgen modified from paramat's paragenv7 so the whole world will be different
14:57	proller	no, fully incompatible networking
14:58	OldCoder	fishyWET, that is the theme; what has been accomplished? What is interesting? Are there screenshots?
14:58	Amaz	And it adds auto generated buildings.
14:58	Krock	the incompatibility makes it cappy
14:58	OldCoder	Amaz, MT has had a mod for that before. It can be interesting.
14:58	Amaz	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5578
14:58	OldCoder	R
14:59	Amaz	http://imgur.com/xcd9mZx,Wml7tqM,ttXhPJY,NSlN6UN,KdSaahS,9ULGHF9,qsBrdWY,bzAGsV6,kSFcdPm,5zL1Pe0#9 Screenshots
14:59	fishyWET	OldCoder: https://github.com/Amaz1/Lord-of-the-Test/wiki/Biomes
14:59	fishyWET	ignore 6 & 9 of the gallery, was a bug before but fixed
15:00	OldCoder	Developers are the two of you? How long have you been on this?
15:00	OldCoder	I see one large creature; are there others yet?
15:00	fishyWET	I have been on this for like a year, while Amaz joined like few months ago
15:00	TenPlus1	Krock: this is what I have so far if it helps any on your own server: http://pastebin.com/iSnVtS7S
15:00	Amaz	I've been working on it since February.
15:00	OldCoder	I see one large creature; are there others yet?
15:01	Amaz	Yep.
15:01	Krock	map save interval unchanged at 15s?
15:01	Amaz	https://github.com/Amaz1/Lord-of-the-Test/wiki/Mobs
15:01	fishyWET	OldCoder: for a full list of mobs, check here: https://github.com/Amaz1/Lord-of-the-Test/wiki/Mobs
15:01	OldCoder	You'd answer questions and provide more details? I suspect this will be a specialty world with few visitors. So I'd be hosting it as an interesting novelty.
15:01	proller	freeminer/next difference with mt: 525 files changed, 29653 insertions(+), 21029 deletions(-)
15:01	Krock	TenPlus1, there are 2 definitions of server_map_save_interval
15:02	OldCoder	fishyWET, Amaz see question ^
15:02	TenPlus1	oops, go with the 90 one
15:02	OldCoder	fishyWET, Amaz I need to make some calls; answer or I must move on
15:02	Amaz	Yep. I'm willing to answer any questions you have.
15:02	fishyWET	yes, there are more creatures, full details of them can be found on the link
15:02	Amaz	Sorry.
15:03	OldCoder	Do you expect to work on this a while longer before leaving the project?
15:03	Amaz	Yes.
15:03	TenPlus1	the spiders are amazing... is it ok to use them on your own server ???
15:03	OldCoder	Any particular reason Amaz fishyWET you need me to host?
15:04	OldCoder	Focus, please. fishyWET, Amaz I need to make some calls; answer or I must move on
15:04	fishyWET	There isn't really a important reason, i guess it is just for server which showcase the game
15:04	fishyWET	sorry, i seem to type rather slow
15:05	OldCoder	How are your creatures being added? These are edits to mobs?
15:05	fishyWET	Those mobs are using simple mobs api
15:05	LemonLake	Factory is confirmed working with pipeworks autocrafters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRIR1yKXo14
15:05	OldCoder	So they can be added using relatively simple Lua modules?
15:05	Amaz	With BrondonResse's changes.
15:05	Amaz	Yep.
15:05	OldCoder	You'd prepare a _game ?
15:06	Amaz	What doe you mean?
15:06	OldCoder	A _game ZIP. The specific mods that you need.
15:06	Amaz	*do
15:06	Amaz	Yep. It comes as that.
15:07	fishyWET	It was a modpack firstly, but a game prove to be more useful and easier in changing stuff
15:07	OldCoder	O.K. I think I can add this. I prefer either large worlds or unique ones. If you'll prepare documentation or answer questions this might be an interesting novelty.
15:07	OldCoder	You'd provide periodically updated
15:07	OldCoder	_game ZIPs and maps; correct?
15:07	OldCoder	I think the world would be visit-only
15:07	fishyWET	don't quite understand your last question...
15:08	OldCoder	Because you'd be continuing to build it
15:08	OldCoder	Wait
15:08	OldCoder
15:08	LemonLake	wur
15:08	LemonLake	wut
15:08	OldCoder	You are continuing to build your own map? Or not
15:08	OldCoder	Amaz, fishyWET ^
15:08	fishyWET	yes
15:08	LemonLake	<OldCoder>
15:08	Amaz	Yep.
15:08	LemonLake	how did you
15:08	OldCoder	LemonLake, Hi
15:08	Amaz	space
15:08	LemonLake
15:08	TenPlus1	here ya go: https://forum.minetest.net/download/file.php?id=736
15:08	LemonLake	oh.
15:08	LemonLake	!title
15:08	MinetestBot	LemonLake: Document isn't HTML
15:08	OldCoder	Amaz, fishyWET The world would be visit-only. Read-only. because you'd still be working on it. It would be a showcase.
15:08	LemonLake	ah, it's just a direct download
15:08	TenPlus1	ooh, wrong window...
15:09	fishyWET	Yup sure
15:09	Amaz	Okay.
15:09	fishyWET	i'm planning on building a whole world of middle earth in it
15:09	OldCoder	Amaz, fishyWET O.K. provide a ZIP containing: a map, a .conf file, and a _game please
15:10	OldCoder	Amaz, fishyWET you need not wait to polish because world will be read-only; you can provide updates as you wish
15:10	fishyWET	OldCoder: right okay, i will send u an email with the ZIP
15:10	Amaz	Right.
15:10	OldCoder	kk
15:10	OldCoder	Or if we allow people to build they will need to know it will be reset
15:10	OldCoder	Interesting buildings could be saved with worldedit
15:11	LemonLake	guys
15:11	LemonLake	are all these flowers part of pipeworks?
15:11	OldCoder	Amaz, fishyWET nice chatting but I need to move on. Back in the evenings and one weekend day.
15:11	Amaz	I would quite like people being able to build... But I'll let FishyWET answer.
15:11	Amaz	Right, bye!
15:12	Krock	bye
15:13	fishyWET	sorry, had some problems, bye oldcoder
15:13	OldCoder	o/
15:13	* OldCoder	is here but focused elsewhere
15:15	* Krock	punches OldCoder
15:15	LemonLake	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2wQC47H_l2rp.png do I look like I give a damn
15:15	fishyWET	OldCoder, to Amaz question, make it be possible to allow some people to build but with notice about the map resetting?
15:15	fishyWET	*could it
15:15	OldCoder	we'll see
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15:15	nman3600	hi
15:16	LemonLake	haiii
15:16	nman3600	i'm on #multitest if you want to suggest things
15:16	Krock	nevaaaar
15:18	LemonLake	factory: possible the most inconsistent mod in regards to texture sizes and style
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15:21	Krock	What's better: random, fast and symetric caves or: noise, slow and "naturally"?
15:22	LemonLake	screw symmetric
15:22	LemonLake	go for natural
15:22	proller	noise
15:22	Krock	that would add about 700ms more mapgen time
15:22	Krock	or 600 :/
15:23	LemonLake	not the BIGGEST deal
15:23	proller	dont use lua for mapgen
15:23	Krock	lua mapgens are fun
15:23	LemonLake	^
15:23	proller	700ms not fun
15:23	Krock	ik
15:23	Krock	therefore"random, fast and symetric caves" for now
15:23	TenPlus1	paramat mods look amazing though... kinda wish their was an inbetween... v7 mapgen is good tho, shame about the ridges
15:24	* Krock	uses 1 - 3 2D-noises to make something v6-lik
15:24	Krock	e
15:24	nman3600	LemonLake you didn't answer my question on #multitest
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15:25	LemonLake	that's not a question
15:25	LemonLake	and welcome to irc
15:25	nman3600	[16:16] <nman3600> that makes cake?
15:26	Krock	if message:ends_with('?') then question = true end
15:27	Krock	wtf... I time out on a server which is 5m far away
15:27	rubenwardy	if message:trim()ends_with('?') then question = true end
15:27	rubenwardy	if message:trim()e:nds_with('?') then question = true end
15:27	* sfan5	meows at rubenwardy
15:27	Krock	still wrong
15:27	LemonLake	if message:trim():nds_with('?') then question = true end
15:27	LemonLake	if message:trim():ends_with('?') then question = true end
15:27	Krock	if message:trim():ends_with('?') then question = true end
15:27	LemonLake	there
15:28	Krock	maybe I should downgrade to a MT version from Mai 2014
15:29	Krock	those worked fine
15:29	nman3600	LemonLake answer
15:29	LemonLake	nman3600: gfy
15:29	nman3600	i'm making an arena on MT
15:30	LemonLake	mhm
15:30	rubenwardy	if message:match("(.+)[?]$") then
15:30	werwerwer	is it true that nerd-poles greatly slow down map loading?
15:31	rubenwardy	what>
15:31	rubenwardy	?
15:31	TenPlus1	they shouldnt being part of the block loaded already...
15:31	Krock	werwerwer, yes. they can crash words cuz they generate XXL gravity
15:31	TenPlus1	active blocks will slow down map loading (water/lava/furnace etc)
15:32	werwerwer	of Ten, hi. i'm sure you are the source of this myth on Clip pulbic)
15:32	nman3600	i was gonna make a vanilla arena but i'm doing it modded
15:33	LemonLake	mhm
15:33	TenPlus1	lol, I put a sign asking ppl not to use nerd-poles, they make the place look untidy :P
15:33	TenPlus1	or at least remove them when finished... but no-one ever does...
15:33	werwerwer	amazing how information is transformed..
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15:34	TenPlus1	how's the lag on Clip's lately ?
15:34	werwerwer	depends on daytime
15:34	TenPlus1	tried to connect the other day and couldnt even get online
15:35	werwerwer	more people - more lags.
15:36	* Krock	had 5s lag with 10 ppl, March 2014 :) 13s now and :(
15:36	fishyWET	OldCoder: is it fine if i pass you the ZIP file via email tomorrow, probably around this time?
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15:36	werwerwer	how do you measure lags in seconds?
15:36	Krock	count
15:36	LazyJ	wb, Megaf ;)
15:36	werwerwer	average time of server responce?
15:37	Krock	use a stopwatch
15:37	Krock	yeah
15:37	Krock	say /status and wait how long it takes until it appears
15:37	Jordach	F5 then look at the RTT value then divide it by two
15:37	Jordach	rougly in MS
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15:37	OldCoder	fishyWET, I'll be away but sure
15:37	Krock	Jordach, that never works in my case
15:37	Jordach	Krock, i can get 0.001 on my local network
15:38	Jordach	and division by zero issues on localhost
15:38	Krock	lol
15:38	Krock	12.5s lag with 3 players..great :D
15:39	werwerwer	what does RTT stand for?
15:39	Krock	lickily, it's not me with the lag
15:39	PenguinDad	werwerwer: Round Trip Time
15:39	Jordach	ninja'd
15:39	TenPlus1	laters folks...
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15:40	* werwerwer	googles round trip time
15:40	asie	i saw the freeminer changes in networking
15:40	asie	those make me at least interested
15:41	Krock	MT needs moar speed
15:41	asie	why aren't we combining efforts with freeminer though?
15:42	PenguinDad	asie: freeminer switched to GPL so we can't easily backport their "fixes"
15:42	asie	PenguinDad: eww.
15:43	asie	out of curiosity, why didn't we?
15:43	Krock	uuuunfair
15:43	LazyJ	What license would have allowed backporting?
15:43	Krock	to not break the bakwards compatibility
15:43	asie	LazyJ: anything LGPL-compatible?
15:43	Krock	asie -^
15:43	asie	Krock: progress needs to make sacrifices sometimes
15:43	asie	and a lot of our code is backwards-compatible but slow and/or buggy
15:43	asie	networking has major issues with high pings
15:44	asie	and development on MT generally feels very slow
15:44	Krock	it's useless to have 2 games with same base, with diffrent changes
15:44	Krock	merge it together and get the best out of it
15:44	asie	yeah
15:44	asie	or at least let us move changes back and forth
15:45	asie	and agree on a common protocol
15:46	PenguinDad	asie: you would have to ask everyone who ever commited anything to minetest and only if everyone of them agrees you would be able to switch licenses
15:46	LazyJ	So we split the engines, split the game, split the mods, and eventually the players will "split" for some other game that has fewer hassles.
15:46	Krock	yeah. split players
15:46	proller	mt devs reject most of fm changes
15:47	Krock	why?
15:47	proller	becaue they not in mt way
15:47	asie	what is the mt way
15:47	Krock	being light and fast (?)
15:47	asie	"fast"
15:47	asie	"light"
15:47	proller	and nobody intrested in solve problems
15:47	asie	right now the networking code is neither light nor fast
15:48	Jordach	it's the limited time availible to actually test and make sure it works
15:48	Jordach	that's where the developers are failing
15:48	Jordach	we kinda need incentives to test developer releases
15:48	asie	the main problems from minecraft refugees i found is the GUI
15:48	asie	the GUI, especially the main game GUI, must be improved
15:48	LazyJ	That might be different if the developers could actually make a decent living coding for MT.
15:48	asie	also, networking from Australia to Europe is ugh
15:49	Jordach	asie, don't try bitching about that: i've done it for months now
15:49	asie	LazyJ: I am willing to donate $10/month for Minetest
15:49	Jordach	and nothing changed
15:49	PenguinDad	Minecrafts UI looks looks like shit imo
15:49	LazyJ	I used to be willing to until I lost my job.
15:49	Krock	Jordach, it needs a change. REVOLUTION!
15:49	asie	PenguinDad: Yes
15:49	asie	Minetest's is better designed but uglier
15:49	asie	anyway, willing to donate $10/month, can't afford a lot more
15:49	PenguinDad	uglier?
15:49	werwerwer	there was already revolution. it's called freeminer now.
15:49	asie	as i don't have a job, am in education
15:50	* Krock	writes a sign: "Make MT faster and better instantly! Now!"
15:50	asie	Krock: i would help but i can't into C++
15:50	asie	i can into C, but not C++, i also dislike C++
15:50	* Krock	holds it up in the air
15:50	LazyJ	So, I take into consideration how much enjoyment I get out of the "free" MT and accept that development won't always be fast and bugs may persist for quite some time.
15:50	Krock	asie, ah, C and C++ have near to the same synthax..
15:51	asie	Krock: until you get into the "object-oriented" part
15:52	RealBadAngel	same language as the others, im coding in it for like 20 yrs already
15:52	Krock	I can't even compile MT on my PC, so I can't help anyway lol
15:53	asie	Krock: how can't you compile it?
15:53	Jordach	asie, windows
15:53	Krock	that stuff throws X errors
15:53	Krock	Jordach, windows is not an explanation
15:53	Jordach	(btw, i once managed to compile Minetest-Classic on Windows, but that took a while to do after jthread got updated to the newest edition)
15:54	Jordach	we're relying on an old version of it
15:54	Krock	uh
15:56	Jordach	and it's impossible now (for windows users) to find the old versions source
15:57	Krock	.sln files ftw!
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15:58	Hunterz	hi, please is there any mod for defining worldborder?
15:59	Krock	where's worldborder?
16:00	Hunterz	some mod which can instead infinite world make for example 5000x5000 nodes
16:00	Krock	the current world isn't infinite
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16:01	LemonLake	the world is just about ~60000x~60000x~60000
16:01	LemonLake	(nodes)
16:01	PenguinDad	The worÃ¶d will never be infinite
16:01	PenguinDad	*world
16:01	LemonLake	'infinite' in computing is practically impossible
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16:01	LemonLake	'flipping huge that you'll never actually use it all' however is
16:02	Krock	Hunterz, to answer your question: you could look at the hunger games - game
16:02	Krock	there's osmething like a limiter
16:02	Hunterz	oki thanks
16:02	PilzAdam	Krock, FM switched to a different license, so we can't use their changes
16:03	Krock	PilzAdam, I know, someone already told that
16:03	PenguinDad	someone == self
16:05	* sfan5	meows at PilzAdam
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16:05	VanessaE	PilzAdam: even on fast hardware, the digging particles cause a FPS drop, because apparently they use item entities, rather than irrlicht particles, or some such.
16:07	Megaf	Thanks LazyJ :)
16:09	PilzAdam	VanessaE, item entities?
16:09	* Jordach	still gets that
16:10	VanessaE	PilzAdam: yeah, as in the same client-side entities that sprites and so forth use
16:10	VanessaE	sorry if I use the wrong term :P
16:10	PilzAdam	the correct term would be ISceneNode
16:11	Jordach	how many nodes does the engine have
16:11	VanessaE	Jordach: from irrlicht's stantpoint, one.
16:11	VanessaE	standpoint.
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16:15	BlockMen	https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/pull/94, lol
16:15	BlockMen	"based on a identical pull request in the minetest/minetest "
16:15	BlockMen	thats how freeminer calls copying^^
16:16	fireglow	so what
16:16	BlockMen	based on means it differs from original
16:17	fireglow	so what
16:17	VanessaE	BlockMen: I told ya it would break stuff....
16:17	VanessaE	(of course that particular object is easily fixed...)
16:18	BlockMen	VanessaE, not again....
16:18	PilzAdam	VanessaE, each particle is it's own scene node
16:18	VanessaE	PilzAdam: ah
16:19	PilzAdam	what you mean is probably the map is one scene node
16:19	VanessaE	PilzAdam: yes, indeed that's what I meant.
16:19	VanessaE	I wasn't including particles in that set.
16:19	VanessaE	(I assumed he meant persistent nodes)
16:21	LemonLake	Are there spritesheets in minetest?
16:21	PilzAdam	players are there own scene nodes too (same as other objects), AFAIK
16:23	Krock	where's the mix of plantlike and torchlike?
16:24	rubenwardy	!title https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/4cb29fedb7952e5a4cdf
16:24	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: Python Noob Generator
16:24	Krock	lol
16:24	LemonLake	omfg
16:24	LemonLake	i love this
16:25	rubenwardy	XD
16:25	LemonLake	noticed, it says "and a random play station" but the noun is "playstation"
16:25	LemonLake	what's up with that?
16:25	Krock	huh
16:26	Krock	it writes playstation for me
16:26	LemonLake	i mean in the example
16:26	rubenwardy	old output
16:26	LemonLake	ahh
16:26	Krock	i love that program
16:26	LemonLake	so simple
16:26	LemonLake	so genius
16:26	rubenwardy	fixed, and a few more words added
16:28	Krock	"dat thingy ran the assassin oh yeah dat gun shot this team mate oh yeah a dragon killed a guy and the sold"
16:28	LemonLake	you're pumping out revisions like a maniac
16:28	Krock	etc... very nice
16:28	LemonLake	replace 'newbie' with 'noob'
16:28	rubenwardy	done
16:28	Krock	add more words
16:28	rubenwardy	need ideas XD
16:29	Krock	replace 'i' with 'I'
16:29	LemonLake	no
16:29	LemonLake	don't
16:29	LemonLake	add some typical insults maybe?
16:29	Krock	ah yes, it must be lower case
16:29	LemonLake	'fag' 'kid' 'squeaker' 'dick' etc
16:29	Krock	eh. 8 year olds must use this too
16:30	LemonLake	really?
16:30	Krock	no
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16:30	Krock	add 'cappy', 'fishy', 'destroyed', 'nuked'
16:30	LemonLake	maybe some prepositions?
16:30	Krock	^ rubenwardy
16:31	Krock	c+r+appy
16:31	rubenwardy	I actually had nuked in an older version, but I accidentally removed it XD
16:31	Krock	why???
16:31	Krock	always add the cool words
16:32	rubenwardy	during a refactor
16:32	Jordach	rubenwardy, you are forgetting your mom, asshole, faggot, m8, kunt, kush
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16:32	Jordach	thats not how you do internet gaming
16:33	Krock	'and then', 'but also', 'but then', 'but maybe', 'also that'
16:33	Vazon	morning all
16:33	LemonLake	"but uh" "probs" "yeah like" "like" "but you dont understand it was like"
16:34	Krock	^ rubenwardy
16:35	Jordach	!c 1024/16
16:35	MinetestBot	64
16:35	Jordach	D:
16:36	Megaf	man, the texture I'm using as hand on my test server is scary as heck
16:36	Jordach	!c 64/12
16:36	MinetestBot	5
16:36	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30006
16:36	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30006 is up (499ms)
16:36	Krock	a newmod released
16:36	Krock	woo?
16:38	Megaf	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/v8wPqiWGFZFs.png
16:39	Krock	Megaf, cheater
16:39	rubenwardy	updated
16:39	Megaf	Krock: actually, give initial stuff
16:39	kaeza	^
16:39	LemonLake	idk megaf
16:39	Megaf	and textures are borked
16:40	LemonLake	it looks like you drew a hand
16:40	Megaf	windows builds doesn work
16:40	Krock	s/d/n
16:40	kaeza	hurr durr reading scrollback
16:40	kaeza	afternoons
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16:40	Krock	Megaf, who's builds?
16:40	LemonLake	omg megaf
16:40	LemonLake	you're such a good drawer
16:40	LemonLake	can you do my mod art ples
16:40	Megaf	any build on minetest.net/downloads
16:40	Krock	get dev
16:41	rubenwardy	"also a random thingy ran it like a arsehole blew up a kid"
16:41	rubenwardy	"mum nuked dat arsehole"
16:41	rubenwardy	okay...
16:41	LemonLake	OMFG
16:41	Krock	xD
16:41	LemonLake	This kid is fucked up
16:41	LemonLake	We gotta get him some help
16:42	Krock	your mum shot dat hacker like dat noob scouted a gun i don't know but a random xbox destroyed a dragon oh yeah
16:42	LemonLake	love it
16:42	Jordach	~quote add <Krock> your mum shot dat hacker like dat noob scouted a gun i don't know but a random xbox destroyed a dragon oh yeah
16:42	Krock	wtf and gtfo are missing
16:42	ShadowBot	Jordach: O.K. Quote #2 added.
16:42	Krock	quotes?
16:42	Jordach	~quote
16:42	ShadowBot	Jordach: Quote #1: "<markveidemanis> stop quoting people" (added by Jordach at 11:40 AM, May 29, 2014)
16:42	Krock	~quote
16:42	ShadowBot	Krock: Quote #1: "<markveidemanis> stop quoting people" (added by Jordach at 11:40 AM, May 29, 2014)
16:42	LemonLake	~quote
16:42	ShadowBot	LemonLake: Quote #2: "<Krock> your mum shot dat hacker like dat noob scouted a gun i don't know but a random xbox destroyed a dragon oh yeah" (added by Jordach at 11:42 AM, June 06, 2014)
16:42	LemonLake	YES
16:43	Krock	wtf?
16:43	LemonLake	luv it <3
16:43	Jordach	ShadowNinja, remove the defunct added by x
16:43	Jordach	as well as the quote number
16:43	Krock	~quote 2
16:43	ShadowBot	Krock: quote random [<channel>]
16:43	LemonLake	:o
16:43	Krock	~quote #minetest
16:43	ShadowBot	Krock: Quote #2: "<Krock> your mum shot dat hacker like dat noob scouted a gun i don't know but a random xbox destroyed a dragon oh yeah" (added by Jordach at 11:42 AM, June 06, 2014)
16:44	LemonLake	~quote #minetest-dev
16:44	ShadowBot	LemonLake: Error: I have no quotes in my database for #minetest-dev.
16:44	LemonLake	oh
16:44	Krock	new feature? eh
16:44	LemonLake	i thought it'd quote to #minetest-dev
16:44	LemonLake	:P
16:44	Jordach	!c 360/12
16:44	MinetestBot	30
16:44	Jordach	!c 30/12
16:44	MinetestBot	2
16:44	Jordach	something IS wrong
16:44	Jordach	~c 360/12
16:44	ShadowBot	Jordach: math calc <math expression>
16:44	Krock	~quote add <Jordach>something IS wrong
16:44	ShadowBot	Krock: O.K. Quote #3 added.
16:44	kaeza	!c 30.0/12
16:44	MinetestBot	2.5
16:44	Jordach	dammit
16:44	Krock	ho ho ho
16:44	ShadowNinja	Jordach: Hmmm?
16:45	rubenwardy	Jordach: the bot sucks a bit
16:45	Krock	~math calc 360/12
16:45	ShadowBot	Krock: 30
16:45	Krock	^
16:45	Jordach	ShadowNinja, why did quote add <quote> lose admin requirements
16:45	rubenwardy	~math calc 360/12
16:45	rubenwardy	damn
16:45	rubenwardy	inb4
16:45	kaeza	ShadowBot!
16:45	LemonLake	it died
16:45	kaeza	MinetestBot!
16:45	MinetestBot	kaeza!
16:46	Krock	ShadowBot: help
16:46	ShadowBot	Krock: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
16:46	ShadowNinja	Jordach: Might have been changed upstream.
16:46	Krock	it still works
16:46	Jordach	:P
16:46	rubenwardy	I am banned from ShadowBot
16:46	Krock	haha
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16:46	ShadowNinja	~give rubenwardy admin ignore list
16:46	ShadowBot	rubenwardy: '!@unaffiliated/rubenwardy', 'MinetestBot!@', '!@86.144.211.58', 'Rollem!@', '!@unaffiliated/peacock', and 'KikaRz!@'
16:46	Megaf	Krock: can you show me a build that works?
16:47	Krock	Megaf, under Windows XP, all from sfan5 and older than May 2014 from BlockMen
16:47	Megaf	nope, sfan5 builds are borked too
16:47	Krock	define broken
16:48	Megaf	well, on the inventory textures are wrong, it shows dirt when it's actually another item
16:48	Krock	ShadowNinja, I can quote myself in inchranet #minetest
16:48	Megaf	if the items are dirt cobble water sand
16:48	rubenwardy	Krock: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/broken
16:48	Megaf	if the items are dirt cobble water sand
16:49	LemonLake	too many messages
16:49	LemonLake	must explode
16:49	Megaf	it will show glass dirt cobble water
16:49	rubenwardy	broken (n. noun): not functioning properly; out of working order.
16:49	LemonLake	megaf, why do you have so many damn problems
16:49	Krock	Megaf, disable preload items, disable all other things
16:50	Krock	retry();
16:52	Krock	~give Megaf ping
16:52	ShadowBot	Megaf: pong
16:52	Megaf	~give Krock ping
16:52	ShadowBot	Krock: pong
16:53	Krock	rubenwardy, already posted your awsumscript in the forums? :P
16:53	Krock	Megaf, works now?
16:53	PenguinDad	~c calc 1337*42
16:53	ShadowBot	PenguinDad: math calc <math expression>
16:53	PenguinDad	~math calc 1337*42
16:53	Krock	~math calc 1337*42
16:53	ShadowBot	PenguinDad: 56154
16:53	ShadowBot	Krock: 56154
16:53	Krock	damn
16:53	Krock	ninja'd
16:54	Krock	~quote add <Krock>ninja'd
16:54	ShadowBot	Krock: O.K. Quote #4 added.
16:54	Megaf	Krock: I never use that preload thing
16:54	Krock	Quoting myself
16:54	Megaf	I give up alwady
16:54	rubenwardy	Not on the forum, yet, no
16:54	rubenwardy	I'll do it know
16:54	Megaf	~quote
16:54	ShadowBot	Megaf: Quote #1: "<markveidemanis> stop quoting people" (added by Jordach at 11:40 AM, May 29, 2014)
16:54	Krock	Megaf, new folder, extract files "*" there
16:54	Krock	~quote random
16:54	ShadowBot	Krock: Quote #4: "<Krock> ninja'd" (added by Krock at 11:54 AM, June 06, 2014)
16:54	Krock	^
16:54	rubenwardy	^ that is how I got banned, trying to get @math calc to work
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16:54	Krock	rubenwardy, that's not ok
16:55	Megaf	ïŠ
16:55	rubenwardy	huh?
16:55	Krock	bot testing freedom!
16:56	Krock	yeah
16:56	Krock	peer, stop with that shit
16:56	Jordach	Connection reset by beer
16:56	PenguinDad	Krock: Remote host should stop too
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16:56	Krock	exactly.
16:57	rubenwardy	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9453&p=144117#p144117
16:57	VanessaE	bbl
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17:09	Krock	rubenwardy, add "a" -> "an" support
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17:13	PenguinDad	Dreambuilder is unplayable with freeminer
17:13	PenguinDad	+TIL
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17:20	proller	and playable in mt ?
17:20	rubenwardy	Might make an irc bot that posts random noob messages to channels
17:21	celeron55	< asie> why aren't we combining efforts with freeminer though?
17:21	celeron55	the answer to this question is, we tried to, but it was impossible because proller wanted to have stuff like integrated arbitrarily chosen weather which the core team didn't approve of and then proller went away and now he is mainly just coding things that we would have accepted just fine back then, but he's doing it in a fork which is getting more and more distant from our codebase making code reuse efforts too hard for the very limited ...
17:21	celeron55	... developer time that is had here
17:21	LemonLake	rubenwardy: I started working on it for an mIRC bot a while ago
17:21	LemonLake	but I gave up
17:21	LemonLake	You totally should though
17:22	celeron55	personally i have lost and abandoned all hope about co-operation with freeminer on source code level
17:22	Krock	celeron55, not addressed to me but this looks like a coding competition to the infinite
17:22	celeron55	it just won't happen due to many reasons
17:22	Jordach	basically: gtfo is the message
17:22	celeron55	Krock: the only people you can blame are people who didn't want this to happen in the first place
17:22	Jordach	tl;dr don't care about russians being russians
17:23	celeron55	also freeminer has from the ground up abandoned co-operation on the source code level
17:24	Krock	I hate situations like this
17:24	celeron55	(i have noted that they are willing to share modding api issues to some extent though)
17:24	celeron55	it's useless to hate it; hate won't make it better, nor really anything else
17:25	Krock	true. but it's annoying when there are 2 games which basically try to reach the same
17:25	Krock	just in two diffrent ways
17:31	proller	PenguinDad, yes, now master have one big bug
17:31	proller	]
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17:36	celeron55	the atmosphere around minetest core development is weird though
17:37	celeron55	i don't really know what can be done to it; saying anything will probably make most people see it as false promises and stuff
17:38	Krock	add merge polls
17:38	Krock	let playersdecide
17:39	celeron55	i would be more ready to let modders decide rather than players
17:39	Krock	yes. modders
17:39	celeron55	but how; who's going to make that happen
17:39	celeron55	it won't happen by saying that it will happen
17:40	celeron55	somebody has to do the work to manage it and set up things and stuff
17:41	Krock	why somebody? reset license back and it's allowed to "copy", then devs can transfer step by step
17:41	Krock	for one, it's simply too much
17:42	celeron55	reset license back?
17:44	Krock	well, FM uses an other license now, which disallows from porting back, if that one would equal to MT again, it could get simplier (if everybody would strictly follow the laws,or whatever, eh.)
17:44	celeron55	i don't see them changing it back; why would they have changed in the first place if they'd do that now?
17:45	celeron55	they do know what changing a license means
17:45	Krock	my comments to this are stupid.ignore.
17:46	Jordach	celeron55, we need game changing pulls
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17:46	Jordach	(say of VAE ever gets finished)
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17:47	celeron55	yes, or maybe, but if that is the prerequisite to getting core developers actively on board, it's a chicken-and-egg problem
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17:48	Krock	yeah. what was first on the earth, the chicken or the egg? I bet, it was the rooster
17:48	Jordach	celeron55, the first step is tell sapier to stop being atop-of-the-soap-box
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17:49	celeron55	but moreover, in my opinion developers aren't the most lacking in MT development
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17:49	Krock	what is lacking then, if not the devs?
17:49	rubenwardy	yes!
17:49	Krock	just wonder
17:49	celeron55	most lacking are people who would just keep the thing going, like "support staff"-type guys, to keep pull requests in check, quality control and test stuff and so on
17:50	celeron55	we don't really have those at all
17:50	Jordach	the only thing i can properly do is keep a good eye on the community and help there
17:50	celeron55	and i have no idea where to get them
17:50	Krock	open a new channel, set up a bot. known modders can submit yes/no. deide every sunday
17:50	Krock	*decide
17:50	Krock	done. caseclosed
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17:52	celeron55	possibly some of the modders that know a bit of C++ could try to do more of those things... dunno; it has never really been tried as far as i remember
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17:52	Krock	rubenBOT: list
17:53	rubenwardy	I know C++, but I find wouldn't know where to start
17:53	Jordach	celeron55, i might be barking up the same tree: not enough pull / dev testers - http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2014-06-06#i_3745490
17:53	celeron55	but the thing is, those who write engine code are not interested in handling random pull requests; it's a fact that will not change
17:53	celeron55	and a fact that will not change is that most users and probably modders are too clueless to judge the quality of pull requests
17:53	celeron55	while they might want to do that
17:53	Jordach	rubenwardy, read the topic
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17:53	Jordach	clearly states no bots
17:54	rubenwardy	Technically it is a client, at the momment
17:54	celeron55	Jordach: yes, i noticed that you said that; it seems like being the way to go for improving the situation
17:55	Calinou	hi
17:55	Jordach	i think my plain and pure grumpiness from SDLC from computing might be paying off
17:55	celeron55	how do other projects do this, even?
17:55	Jordach	motivation to be good at what it does?
17:55	Calinou	<celeron55> we don't really have those at all <celeron55> and i have no idea where to get them
17:55	Jordach	we've sort of lost the point at what we were doing
17:55	Calinou	you need slightly obsessed people for that, like in Minecraft 8)
17:55	Calinou	people with lots of time on their hands
17:56	rubenwardy	Yay! The client can now talk
17:56	celeron55	maybe some formalized way of doing it could help
17:56	Calinou	celeron55, not many projects reply quickly to all pull requests, but if they do, they have many developers around
17:57	realtinymonster	WASABI!
17:57	Calinou	does reviewing pull requests need a lot of C++ skills?
17:57	Calinou	or just average ones?
17:57	Krock	realtinymonster, don't copy my tastepasta (C)(R)(TM) Krock 2014
17:57	Jordach	the only thing i'm good at is reviewing how well development is progressing in speed and quality
17:57	rubenwardy	#rubenBOT
17:58	realtinymonster	Krock: lol
17:58	Calinou	Krock, Â©Â®â„¢
17:59	kaeza	rubenwardy, ##rubenBOT *
17:59	Krock	Calinou, exactly.
17:59	Krock	kaeza, actualy #rubenBOT
18:00	LazyJ	Anybody have connections with profs and TA's at university? Maybe the pull requests could be reviewed by students learning C++ as part of the lesson plan?
18:00	kaeza	Krock, "#" channels are for "official" stuff like #minetest, etc; offtopic channels should use "##"
18:01	sfan5	Megaf: that happens when you don't have enough graphics memory
18:01	Krock	kaeza, saved in my bain ad 127.0.0.1, thanks.
18:01	kaeza	(so say freenode rules anyway)
18:01	Krock	*at
18:01	Calinou	I don't think contributing to something and learning something _at the same time_ is a good idea
18:02	rubenwardy	things are happening in #rubenBOT !!!
18:02	Krock	rubenwardy: <kaeza>rubenwardy, ##rubenBOT *
18:02	kaeza	Krock> rubenwardy: <kaeza>rubenwardy, ##rubenBOT *
18:02	celeron55	Calinou: basically, there are three things that each pull request is required to pass in order to be merged; 1) it must work in the first place; this is all about compiling it and testing it in the game (or by writing mod code that uses it), 2) the protocols and formats that it uses must be well designed, including the required compatibility in the part in question, and 3) the code style must be correct
18:02	rubenwardy	definately #rubenBOT. Probably should be ##rubenBOT, but oh well
18:02	Megaf	sfan5: oh
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18:03	celeron55	Calinou: (1) can be tested by anyone, or at least any modder
18:03	Megaf	well, its kinda of ancient computer anyway, "Intel Pentium Dual Core"
18:03	Megaf	E2200
18:03	Calinou	very slow
18:03	Calinou	today's 40 â‚¬ CPUs are quite faster ;)
18:04	Megaf	Calinou: I know its slow, I have to work with this shit everyday
18:04	Krock	I got a celeron CPU
18:04	Megaf	That what we got at my workplace
18:04	Megaf	anyway, its pretty fast running Debian :)
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18:04	Calinou	Megaf, it's mostly a matter of storage
18:04	Megaf	but they use Windows XP
18:04	celeron55	actually, then there is 4) the internal interfaces of the code must be good, and it shouldn't be hugely unoptimized (altough, this matters less than the other things)
18:05	Calinou	if you have an SSD and a slow CPU, it'll be much better
18:05	Calinou	old HDDs are very slow, especially 5400 rpm ones
18:05	Krock	Megaf, even XP can be fast as hell
18:05	rubenBOT	a random hacker covered a random guy also this kid blew up a dragon yeah like the dragon blew up dat soldier a random dragon ran the griefer but uh a random playstation ran dat soldier probs dat gun ran this guy also that this playstation covered dat gun
18:05	celeron55	Calinou: also (3) can be checked by almost anyone who knows C++
18:05	Calinou	XP is ugly as hell ;)
18:05	Krock	Calinou, depends on point of view
18:05	kaeza	rubenwardy, ...
18:05	Calinou	celeron55, OK, thanks for the info, but I only know basic C++ stuff
18:05	Calinou	I could still help on the (1) part and maybe (2)
18:06	celeron55	Calinou: 2 needs someone who really understands the design of the engine, and 4 needs someone who is good at C++
18:06	Calinou	(when I'm saying 2, I'm talking about the design, as in, â€œis it extendableâ€ etc)
18:06	celeron55	maybe i should write this down somewhere
18:06	Calinou	good idea; put it on the forum?
18:08	celeron55	i really have thought that everyone knows these by some kind of intuition but maybe it isn't as clear as that
18:08	Calinou	I thought so
18:08	Calinou	sorry if I wasted your time :P
18:10	celeron55	nah, it's good to rehearse this kind of basic principles (i actually had to think somewhat to figure out what the required things actually are)
18:11	celeron55	if we wish to get some non-C++ folks to check parts of that, then it has to be written down
18:12	kaeza	[15:08:22] <Megaf> but they use Windows XP <-- even the name is a joke, mixture of "XD" and ":P"
18:12	* kaeza	hides
18:12	celeron55	maybe we could end up in a situation where pull requests would get comments like "req1 and req3 checked" and then someone could just check the reest
18:12	celeron55	rest*
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18:13	* Krock	tries to slap kaeza but doesn't find him
18:14	celeron55	this really begs the question, does some project do anything like this
18:14	Megaf	kaeza: I totally agree
18:14	celeron55	i have never seen such myself
18:15	* Krock	slaps Megaf cuz he found him
18:15	Megaf	not gonna work
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18:32	ShadowNinja	rubenwardy: Bot testing elsewhere.
18:32	LemonLake	Ã¸.Ã¸
18:32	rubenwardy	Late, ShadowNinja
18:32	* sfan5	meows
18:32	rubenwardy	That was ages ago
18:32	LemonLake	There's no message for a while, then I check IRC and suddenly there's a message seconds after I close it back down
18:33	ShadowNinja	1/2 hr or so.
18:34	Calinou	hi LemonLake
18:34	* Calinou	gives LemonLake a combustible lemon
18:37	LemonLake	Hi Calinou
18:39	rubenwardy	You could use IRC as communications for an online game! Yay! Pointless!
18:39	realtinymonster	yeah!
18:39	ShadowNinja	rubenwardy: Done. See the IRC mod.
18:39	Exio4	not pointless, IRC is super-cheap bandwidth-wise :P
18:40	realtinymonster	yeah
18:40	ShadowNinja	A few other games do the same.
18:40	rubenwardy	I meant serialisation communication
18:40	rubenwardy	like saying where players are
18:40	Krock	Exio4, not the cheapest
18:41	rubenwardy	I was joking XD]
18:41	rubenwardy	where players and entities are, sending maps, connected.
18:42	ShadowNinja	rubenwardy: A simple TCP stream with message-per-line would be better.
18:42	rubenwardy	That is the joke
18:42	Exio4	rubenwardy: IP over IRC?
18:43	Exio4	rubenwardy: you could do that... actually
18:43	Exio4	IRC over IRC? :D
18:43	Exio4	https://github.com/EXio4/IPoIRC/
18:44	rubenwardy	the IRC sockets is just stuff like
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18:44	rubenwardy	PRIVMSG #minetest :Say a message to an IRC channel
18:44	rubenwardy	in a packet
18:44	Exio4	sockets?
18:45	Exio4	protocol you mean
18:45	rubenwardy	yeah
18:45	rubenwardy	JOIN #minetest
18:45	Exio4	PRIVMSG, NOTICE, MODE, JOIN, PART, and so on
18:45	Exio4	JOIN #channel1,#channel2 key
18:46	rubenwardy	my amazing language: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/787f72ec85cdfa8b66cb
18:46	rubenwardy	purposely stupid
18:48	kaeza	:+1: better than PHP!
18:48	LemonLake	^
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18:48	Exio4	anything > PHP always return true kaeza
18:48	kaeza	except ruby
18:48	* kaeza	hides
18:48	* LemonLake	sniggers and hides
18:49	Exio4	ruby may be shit, but nothing is worse than php
18:49	kaeza	okay okay you win
18:49	rubenwardy	The language has seleting functions. Like function overloading with values. gui_event(type, e) gui_event("menubar", e)
18:49	Exio4	anyway, i should try to run a minetest server, then a client... and connect to the server using IPoIRC :3
18:49	Exio4	inb4 klined of freenode for abusing the network
18:50	kaeza	you should connect IPoIRC via IPoIRC!
18:50	kaeza	<insert yo dawg joke here>
18:51	Exio4	i should, true
18:51	kaeza	but seriously, were you able to test your IPoIRC?
18:51	* kaeza	is curious
18:51	Exio4	kaeza: http://exio4.cadoth.net/screenshots/ipoirc.png
18:51	Exio4	the vm is xubuntu
18:52	Exio4	if you wonder, i used freenode as middle network
18:52	LemonLake	+1 for casual use of xchat in the background
18:52	LemonLake	-1 for use of virtualbox
18:53	Calinou	VirtualBox is the coolest free/libre virtualization software
18:53	Calinou	XChat is no longer maintained, use HexChat
18:53	Exio4	i would say -2 for using vbox and xchat
18:53	LemonLake	yet it's still shite
18:53	Exio4	i'd use kvm or xen
18:53	LemonLake	+1 for the 'casual' use
18:53	LemonLake	the casual was the keyword there
18:53	Calinou	KVM or Xen lack 3D acceleration and many other features
18:53	LemonLake	and I wouldn't virtualize linux
18:53	Calinou	they're basic, more intended for server virtualization
18:53	Exio4	if i weren't using a graphical enviroment
18:53	LemonLake	trust me, I've tried
18:53	Calinou	it's very useful to virtualize GNU/Linux on Windows
18:53	Calinou	works well
18:53	Exio4	they're actually NOT basic
18:53	Calinou	3D acceleration works nicely on Windows host
18:53	kaeza	^
18:54	LemonLake	3d acceleration fucked shit up
18:54	Exio4	[15:53:35] <LemonLake> and I wouldn't virtualize linux
18:54	Exio4	i don't want to mess up with containers or real vms when i'm going to trash out a system anyway
18:54	LemonLake	and anyway, why is your virtualbox so funky?
18:54	Exio4	funky?
18:54	LemonLake	bottom left
18:54	Exio4	wut?
18:54	LemonLake	owait that's your os right?
18:55	Exio4	yes...?
18:55	LemonLake	ah
18:55	LemonLake	funky
18:56	Exio4	virtualbox is shit, but i ain't going to use a proper vm for an ubuntu
18:56	Exio4	no *buntu is worth anything here
18:56	LemonLake	I just dual booted mint
18:56	LemonLake	No fucks given about other people's opinions
18:56	Exio4	what are your OSes?
18:57	LemonLake	other one is windows 7
18:57	LemonLake	which I'd used for years prior but I rarely use since getting Linux
18:58	Exio4	how many icons of my systray do you know?
18:58	rubenwardy	I've GTG, toodles
18:58	Exio4	there are five icons, i'd say three of them are very well known
18:58	LemonLake	hmm
18:58	LemonLake	instantly recognise the oldschool skype icon
18:59	LemonLake	give me time pl0x
18:59	Exio4	the easiest, 0.5 points out of 10
19:01	LemonLake	I think gtg is there
19:02	LemonLake	fack
19:02	LemonLake	idk
19:02	Krock	any plans for something lie UPnP implantation?
19:02	Krock	*liek
19:03	LemonLake	Exio4: I'm dumb ok?
19:03	Exio4	LemonLake: no qjackctl :(
19:04	LemonLake	wtf is that
19:04	LemonLake	ah i see
19:04	Krock	<NomelEkal> Ftw Si Taht
19:05	LemonLake	nah man I use GNOME ALSA Mixer and PulseAudio for stuff like that
19:08	Exio4	pulseaudio is shit
19:09	LemonLake	it works
19:09	Exio4	it crashed like hell or used a shitton of CPU for nutin' when I used it
19:09	Exio4	i use either raw alsa or jackd
19:09	asl	jackd just kill all the sound when it start on my system
19:09	LemonLake	thats for your machine
19:10	LemonLake	+asl
19:19	Exio4	asl: get alsa wrappers
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19:26	asl	Exio4: there no alsa wrappers in the fedora repo unless you mean alsa-oss
19:29	Exio4	search "zita"
19:29	Exio4	http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/all/zita-ajbridge
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20:10	nman3600	hi
20:11	nman3600	if anyone has any suggestions for my multitest mod please suggest at #multitest
20:12	Krock	no AD plz
20:12	nman3600	lol
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20:21	nman3600	is oreki a minetest thing?
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20:22	ShadowNinja	nman3600: Yes.
20:22	nman3600	good
20:22	nman3600	thanks!
20:22	LemonLake	oreki is an anime dude?
20:22	nman3600	i need a pic of it
20:23	LemonLake	he's the laid-back guy from hyouka
20:23	nman3600	name a main thing of minetest to put as a carved thing in sandstone?
20:24	LemonLake	bones
20:24	LemonLake	dye
20:24	LemonLake	bucket
20:24	Calinou	oerkki, nman3600
20:24	LemonLake	steel lump
20:24	Calinou	a scary black and purple ghost with green eyes
20:24	LemonLake	I was gonna say
20:24	Calinou	sound is unknown
20:24	LemonLake	oreki is from hyouka
20:24	LemonLake	pretty sure nman doesn't watch anime
20:24	Calinou	(ghost-like sounds are most likely)
20:24	nman3600	oerkki that's it
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20:26	nman3600	ugh i'm struggling with this texture query me if you're willing to do it
20:26	LemonLake	ill come in
20:26	LemonLake	one sec
20:30	Krock	made some dev-wiki changes.. I hope they are helpful
20:39	kaeza	Krock, y u no register??
20:39	Krock	kaeza, I love the kittens
20:40	Krock	kitten selector
20:42	* nman3600	has maybe sprained his wrist
20:50	* sfan5	meows at nman3600
20:50	* nman3600	strokes sfan5 in pain
20:51	* sfan5	purrs at nman3600
20:53	nman3600	what's everyone doing?
20:53	nman3600	ahh finally duriabilty works on the shears
20:54	Calinou	durability* ;)
20:54	nman3600	;-0
20:54	nman3600	Ã³.o
20:56	nman3600	i'm sitting here in pain bug fixing my mod
20:57	* sfan5	is compiling a new version of nginx
20:59	* RealBadAngel	is coding oreslib
21:00	* PenguinDad	is just happy
21:01	Calinou	night
21:01	* sfan5	meows at Calinou
21:02	* nman3600	has just fixed 2 bugs 1. you can't take durability from shears and hay bales could only be broken by sword
21:02	* nman3600	now has to add sounds for the nodes :) yay
21:08	Calinou	that's very easy
21:08	Calinou	just add sounds = definition like in the default mod
21:12	nman3600	ik it is
21:12	nman3600	does anyone have a shears snap sound or a scissor closing sound like a slice sound i can use?
21:15	nman3600	whoever gets me one gets credits for my mod aswell
21:27	nman3600	rubber is now a fuel :)
21:27	BlockMen	nman3600, in my creatures mod the shears have sound ;)
21:28	nman3600	am i allowed to use it?
21:28	BlockMen	license: see readme.txt
21:28	* sfan5	meows before going to bed :3
21:28	* nman3600	puts sfan5 to bed :2
21:28	BlockMen	IIRC its CC0 or CC bBY 3.0
21:28	nman3600	:3*
21:28	nman3600	so i can?
21:28	BlockMen	nman3600, sure
21:29	nman3600	thanks i'll give credit though
21:29	BlockMen	https://github.com/BlockMen/creatures/blob/master/README.txt#L61.L62
21:30	BlockMen	there goes the credit ;)
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21:31	nman3600	k i'll give credit to you for letting me use it and to SmartWentCody for making them :)
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21:37	nman3600	BlockMen how can i code the sound in because i'm struggling to do it
21:38	nman3600	the sound file is called multitest_shears.ogg
21:40	BlockMen	idk what you use the shears for, but either add it to the on_use function of your shears or play it when a node it dug and the wielded item were your shears
21:41	BlockMen	sounds are player with minetest.sound_play(), see lua.api for more details
21:42	nman3600	so could i do on_use=minetest.sound_play(), ...
21:42	BlockMen	no
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21:43	kat_	Hi, guysm what is the latest release for minetest?
21:44	BlockMen	nman3600, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2254.L2260
21:44	BlockMen	thats how on_use is used
21:44	BlockMen	kat_, stable is 0.4.9
21:44	kat_	o.k. I've got it. good thanks
21:45	nman3600	i understand the on_use now but what would the sound play bit be?
21:46	nman3600	BlockMen any answers?
21:47	BlockMen	nman3600, patience. and just add minetest.sound_play() before you return the itemstack in on_use
21:49	nman3600	ugh it still doesn't work
21:52	BlockMen	doesnt work can be many things. you should be more precise
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22:26	BlockMen	gd night
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22:32	ligeti	Hello...
22:33	ligeti	anyone used/uses flatland mod? is it still working?...
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22:34	Piggybear87	Anyone know how well Lubuntu handles a slave HDD that has Lubuntu installed on it? I need to throw in my old HDD and get all of my files off.
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22:34	Piggybear87	This machine, if not the OS, is fickle when it comes to new hardware.
22:35	kat_	guys, I'm playing minetest, and I can't put the "self building bridge" back to inventory.
22:35	kat_	it won't destroy
22:36	Piggybear87	Try shift left click, or ctrl left click. Some mods have it like that.
22:36	kat_	o.k.
22:36	Piggybear87	Be back.
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22:41	kat_	I did shift and left click to get rid of build its own bridge block, and it destroys but is there again each time I try, even with ctrl and left click. help
22:41	kat_	block comes back
22:45	kat_	"self building bridge"
22:45	LemonLake	"self rebuilding bridge"
22:46	kat_	it's rebuilding itself alright. I can't get rid of the block.
22:47	LemonLake	Back to factory...
22:47	kat_	what do you mean?
22:47	LemonLake	My mod
22:47	LemonLake	Back to working on it
22:47	kat_	your mod? oh dear well, do you know how to get it back into inventory?
22:48	LemonLake	I don't study other people's mods
22:48	LemonLake	what mod is in question?
22:48	kat_	the "self building "bruidge" is what's it
22:48	kat_	called in inventory
22:49	LemonLake	https://github.com/Sokomine/bridges this?
22:50	LemonLake	Okay, I'm looking at the code. It seems to work like a chest.
22:50	LemonLake	If it has items in it, you can't break it.
22:50	LemonLake	So take the items out and it should work?
22:50	kat_	no not all the different bridge parts that I got in the mod store, though it may be part of the deal. I was wondering what it was and put it down in my game. When you click it, it lays out a bridge. Ohhhhhh so take items out. o.k.
22:51	LemonLake	Yeah. If you put items into anything, most likely thing is that you can't break it 'til you take them out.
22:51	kat_	o.k. I'll try that. thanks!
22:53	kat_	Hey! that worked LemonLake.
22:53	LemonLake	pretty obvious if you ask me but np
22:54	kat_	hahahaha kinda dumb here, but learning the game.
22:54	LemonLake	fair enough :)
22:56	LemonLake	All: What would I call mini-apis within the lua api, i.e. the formspec and hud 'api'?
22:58	LemonLake	silence...
22:58	LemonLake	damn irc is quiet tonight
22:59	PenguinDad	LemonLake: formspec and hud aren't "mini-apis"
22:59	LemonLake	I'm aware.
22:59	LemonLake	But what would I group them in?
22:59	LemonLake	That's my question.
22:59	LemonLake	What do I call them?
23:00	PenguinDad	LemonLake: you call them API-ception :P
23:00	LemonLake	APIs?
23:00	LemonLake	So an API in the API
23:03	LemonLake	An Invref and objectref would be a type?
23:03	LemonLake	Disregard. They're already in Objects
23:07	LemonLake	[verticalframe] can be used for spritesheets? sorry for all the questions, I'm just generally at a lack of info here
23:08	PenguinDad	~give PenguinDad dubstep
23:08	ShadowBot	PenguinDad: <dubstep>
23:08	LemonLake	PenguinDad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nydaLOxdL5A
23:08	LemonLake	Good enough?
23:08	PenguinDad	<3 ShadowBot
23:08	ShadowBot	04â™¥ PenguinDad.
23:21	LemonLake	How can I save data in a specific item?
23:22	LemonLake	For example, save a list of items, 16 of them, in one item
23:23	LemonLake	you guys are helpful today
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23:41	kaeza	LemonLake, itemstack:set_metadata() and minetest.serialize()
23:41	LemonLake	Ta!
23:42	Piggybear87	I just copied my Minetest folder to my new HDD, what all do I need to move to my newest Minetest version's folder? Just worlds, mods, and minetest.conf? Everything else will be OK if I lose it, right?
23:42	LemonLake	As long as you reinstall every other folder, sure.
23:43	LemonLake	First ever attempt, opinions? https://mediacru.sh/Sj3luf67POP5
23:44	Piggybear87	I had to switch hard drives, so I re-downloaded and compiled Minetest, so everything should be ok except my built worlds, downloaded mods, and edited minetest.conf. Nothing else would have changed, right.
23:45	kaeza	notbad.jpg
23:45	Piggybear87	^
23:45	LemonLake	ta
23:45	LemonLake	<3
23:45	LemonLake	Piggybear87, correct
23:45	kaeza	or should I say, notbad.xcf
23:46	Piggybear87	Mouse or drawing pad?
23:46	LemonLake	Wacom intuos
23:46	LemonLake	I couldn't quite get the hair right at the front
23:47	Piggybear87	Better than I can do. I can't draw a straight line with a ruler...
23:47	LemonLake	:P
23:51	LemonLake	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/e7esYXdmdJ12.png trying different hairstyles
23:53	Piggybear87	I can't for the life of me figure out how to formate these drives...
23:53	LemonLake	Try to format them instead
23:54	Piggybear87	Shut up... Lol.
23:55	Piggybear87	I still have more than an hour moving my downloads folder...
23:56	kaeza	too much pr0n?
23:56	* kaeza	hides
23:57	* LemonLake	sniggers and hides
23:58	Piggybear87	Lmfao. No. Gigs and gigs of music and all of the pics off of my old phone, and all of my mods for Minetest...
23:58	LemonLake	fare enuff
23:59	LemonLake	today i learned not to meditate
23:59	LemonLake	it was fun

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